Sanchez outplays Tebow

[GATA]

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Tebow took reps as the No. 2 quarterback behind Mark Sanchez, as the team has made clear his role will be.
Some of Tebow's passes came out a bit high. He was picked off on back-to-back passes in 7-on-7 drills, by Bart Scott and new Jets safety Yeremiah Bell. Tebow finished 6-for-8 in the nine snaps he took in 11-on-11 team drills, by an unofficial count
Tebow was also used on special teams, as the personal protector on the punt team.

I wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the Tebowmania section.
But Tebow fans wouldn't be too happy.

[RochesterJet]

This Tebow VS Sanchez media hype will/IS already getting old. It is up to the team and coaching staff to keep comments in check and maintain confidence in Mark. We know what both QB's are and what they arnt at this point. I am excited for the season but equally un-excited about the QB position and the prcieved battle ensuing. CHRIST

[Murrell2878]

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[nyjunc]

There is not a QB controversy or a QB competition. The only way Tebow ever starts for us is if Sanchez is hurt.

[ace_o_spades]

There is not a QB controversy or a QB competition. The only way Tebow ever starts for us is if Sanchez is hurt.

Seriously. Maybe if Sanchez is Ryan Leaf bad they'll give Jesus boy a shot

[RochesterJet]

the media will make more of it then there really is, their job to speculate. I just hope this doesnt divide the locker-room. I am really only worried about three personalities on this team inside of the lock-room. #10, #57, and #24 need to pick up their lunch pale's and shut their mouths for this to work out.

[Murrell2878]

There is not a QB controversy or a QB competition. The only way Tebow ever starts for us is if Sanchez is hurt.

This whole thing is being billed as Sanchez vs. Tebow blah blah blah. This whole thing is going to be a circus. The second Sanchez struggles the idiots are going to come out screaming for Tebow.

[Murrell2878]

the media will make more of it then there really is, their job to speculate. I just hope this doesnt divide the locker-room. I am really only worried about three personalities on this team inside of the lock-room. #10, #57, and #24 need to pick up their lunch pale's and shut their mouths for this to work out.

I think #10 will fall in line. Does he really want Tebow throwing passes to him?

[#1 Jets Fan]

I think #10 will fall in line. Does he really want Tebow throwing passes to him?Hell No... Again....HELL NO Or should I say Jesus no. Lol

[joe]

ESPN's "NFL LIVE" is on right now (4:00-5:00) and one of the stories they're covering is the Jets' 7-on7 drills.

And being the ESPN spin clowns that they are, they set it up in the program's intro as "Sanchez vs. Tebow...see who did better."

It's coming on now.

[displacedfan]

Could you believe the media story if the stats were reversed and Tebow was succeeding in the drills and Sanchez wasn't? The media is circling and waiting

[SackExchange69]

The only people that think there is a Sanchez Vs Tebow competition are the people that have Tebows balls in their mouths.

[Saint Chez]

This is whats wrong with America. The oversaturation of media. Neither Sanchez nor Tebow actually give any fucks about this competition, they're letting the chips fall. They are both team guys, and will do what it takes to win.

[iPlayiBall]

And? Rex already said Tim played better during the closed practices earlier in the week. Best bet this talk will continue because the ones who say they're sick of it continue to propagate it. But I'm here for that 75% completion percentage. He better carry that shit forward.

[reverseapachemaster]

Sounds like a proven winner to me. Proven winner for opposing defenses.

[CowboysFan]

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I wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the Tebowmania section.
But Tebow fans wouldn't be too happy.

Only Tebow gets individual passes in an OTA dissected. The obsession never ends.

[Potzer]

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[nyjetsrule]

Only Tebow gets individual passes in an OTA dissected. The obsession never ends.

Well not 'only' at least not anymore. Sanchez as well, because the media is going to want to stir up the controversy asap. So in the June minicamp wen Sanchez throws an INT, and Tebow doesn't, they will be all over Sanchez for it.

[catsigater]

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I really hope Sanchez doesn't feel threatened by Tebow, as his agent appears to be...

UPDATE II: This is from Sanchez's agent. Wow.

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No offense media, but of course Sanchez is going to out perform Tim T. Mark is a franchise quarterback and Tim is a great athlete.

[SI_Jets_Fan]

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I really hope Sanchez doesn't feel threatened by Tebow, as his agent appears to be...

After watching the video I am encouraged. Although I am FIRMLY in the Sanchez camp, Tebow's throwing motion in the video looked MUCH better. It looks like he lost the big windup. Let's see if it stays gone when he is in game, but for now it looks good.

[Don]

WHAT? Only one page and one thread on this? I was sure there would be at least 10 different threads with 10 pages each by now..you're slipping.....

[evojoe67]

Sanchez is the better QB,end of story.

[Remarker]

Could you believe the media story if the stats were reversed and Tebow was succeeding in the drills and Sanchez wasn't? The media is circling and waiting

Haha, yeah. I thought that too.

Can you imagine a conversation like;

Coach: Throw a couple of picks so Mark won't freak.
Tim: No problem.

I'm just joking around guys. We know this conversation would never happen.

[Demosthenes9]

OMG!! WOW!! REALLY ???? NO KIDDING ?

Starting QB with 3 seasons as a starter under his belt "outplays" the second string QB who has a whopping 16 starts to his name ? In the very first OTA for the team ?

You don't say.......

[Demosthenes9]

Also, it is kind of funny that Tebow had the higher completion percentage :)

[#1 Jets Fan]

Also, it is kind of funny that Tebow had the higher completion percentage :)how many TD did Tebow throw? keep looking at shit to hold on to. Lol

[Demosthenes9]

how many TD did Tebow throw? keep looking at shit to hold on to. Lol

Don't know. How many deep passes to Hill did they dial up for Tebow ?

Funny thing is, you Sanchez supporters are the ones that have your panties in a twist. SANCHEZ OUTPLAYED TEBOW !!!! I can see you crying tears of joy right now.

From my perspective, I see that Tebow went 6 for 8. That indicates that he's gotten more consistent with his passing, which is something that ought to concern every other coach and defense in the NFL :)

[#1 Jets Fan]

WHAT? Only one page and one thread on this? I was sure there would be at least 10 different threads with 10 pages each by now..you're slipping.....If Tebow out played sanchez u would have all that.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Don't know. How many deep passes to Hill did they dial up for Tebow ?

Funny thing is, you Sanchez supporters are the ones that have your panties in a twist. SANCHEZ OUTPLAYED TEBOW !!!! I can see you crying tears of joy right now.

From my perspective, I see that Tebow went 6 for 8. That indicates that he's gotten more consistent with his passing, which is something that ought to concern every other coach and defense in the NFL :)8 passes and 2 INT'S yeah I bet other coaches and defenses are really concern.

[Demosthenes9]

8 passes and 2 INT'S yeah I bet other coaches and defenses are really concern.

You are simply showing your own ignorance with that statement. It was the first time Tebow had ever run those two plays. He'll learn from those mistakes (as I hope anyone would) and he will continue to grow.

But again, even with those mistakes, he was 6 of 8. That shows an improvement in consistency :)

[reverseapachemaster]

You are simply showing your own ignorance with that statement. It was the first time Tebow had ever run those two plays. He'll learn from those mistakes (as I hope anyone would) and he will continue to grow.

But again, even with those mistakes, he was 6 of 8. That shows an improvement in consistency :)

But I thought he was a born winner?

[nyjetsrule]

You are simply showing your own ignorance with that statement. It was the first time Tebow had ever run those two plays. He'll learn from those mistakes (as I hope anyone would) and he will continue to grow.

But again, even with those mistakes, he was 6 of 8. That shows an improvement in consistency :)

No.... consistency would be if he can do things like that day after day. If he goes 3/10 tomorrow, thats not really any improvement in consistency. Not to say he will or won't, but you can't claim consistency based off of one day.

Oh and we have no idea if those 6 passes were checkdowns, down the field, timing patterns or whatever.

And it's also Sanchez 'first time' playing this offense as well. So it's not like Sanchez has some super step up on Tebow, considering the only first team WR sanchez has played with are Keller and Kerley with Holmes in Germany.

[Demosthenes9]

But I thought he was a born winner?

Show me a QB that has never thrown an interception in practice.

[Cappy]

Show me a QB that has never thrown an interception in practice.

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[Demosthenes9]

No.... consistency would be if he can do things like that day after day. If he goes 3/10 tomorrow, thats not really any improvement in consistency. Not to say he will or won't, but you can't claim consistency based off of one day.

Oh and we have no idea if those 6 passes were checkdowns, down the field, timing patterns or whatever.

And it's also Sanchez 'first time' playing this offense as well. So it's not like Sanchez has some super step up on Tebow, considering the only first team WR sanchez has played with are Keller and Kerley with Holmes in Germany.


Ummm, yes, 6 of 8 is consistency, especially given the way he passed last year. Sure, it'll be great if he's as consistent tomorrow as well, and the next day, and the next, and for the rest of the season.

And if Sanchez had thrown 2 pics today, in the first week of OTAs with a new offense, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit. Why ? Because it's a new freaking offense that they are trying to install. Mistakes will be made and guys will get better with it as time goes by. That's kind of the underlying reason for PRACTICE.

Tell me, if Sanchez throws 2 pics tomorrow and Tebow doesn't throw any, are you and others going to talk about how much better Tebow is than Sanchez ? Or how Tebow outplayed him ?

[CowboysFan]

Well not 'only' at least not anymore. Sanchez as well, because the media is going to want to stir up the controversy asap. So in the June minicamp wen Sanchez throws an INT, and Tebow doesn't, they will be all over Sanchez for it.

Its ridiculous both ways for both guys . Can media be banned from OTAs?

[CowboysFan]

But I thought he was a born winner?

who says that? Skip Bayless? is that who your basing your response on?

If you mean he has the ability to win games at the NFL level then yes, he does because ....well...he has....

[CowboysFan]

8 passes and 2 INT'S yeah I bet other coaches and defenses are really concern.

well at least we are not over reacting to OTAs and the installation of a new offense and getting timing down and well all the things PRACTICE is for.

Be careful what rabbit hole you go into because tomorrow when Sanchez throws two picks what will you say then?

[CowboysFan]

how many TD did Tebow throw? keep looking at shit to hold on to. Lol

19 Touchdowns against 9 interceptions in his NFL career.

(16 starts , includes playoffs and 40 snaps in several other games)

next question please.

[Jake]

I certainly hope he'd outplay Tim Tebow.

[Wolf Brother]

No surprise here. Its the first day and everyone will have their ups and downs. Its practice. No need for too much overreaction!

[Murrell2878]

You are simply showing your own ignorance with that statement. It was the first time Tebow had ever run those two plays. He'll learn from those mistakes (as I hope anyone would) and he will continue to grow.

But again, even with those mistakes, he was 6 of 8. That shows an improvement in consistency :)

hey genius, i know you're new to the Jets, but this is a new system for Mark Sanchez too

[Br4dw4y5ux]

If Mark Sanchez doesn't outplay Tim Tebow this off-season and in camp then we're really screwed, because it's not hard at all to look better than Tebow in practice.

[Demosthenes9]

hey genius, i know you're new to the Jets, but this is a new system for Mark Sanchez too

Didn't say that it wasn't, GENIUS.

As I said, if Sanchez had thrown 2 int's today, it wouldn't have concerned me a bit, nor will it concern me if he throws 3 tomorrow.

Now, come TC and preseason games, you know, when QBs should actually be more familiar with the offense, THEN it will be a concern.

[Barry the Baptist]

Don't know. How many deep passes to Hill did they dial up for Tebow ?

Funny thing is, you Sanchez supporters are the ones that have your panties in a twist. SANCHEZ OUTPLAYED TEBOW !!!! I can see you crying tears of joy right now.

From my perspective, I see that Tebow went 6 for 8. That indicates that he's gotten more consistent with his passing, which is something that ought to concern every other coach and defense in the NFL :)

This is where you Teblow homers and Jet fans are different, we don't give a rats ass who the QB is as long they win. You Teblow fans only care about him and could care less about the Jets. I'm not any QB fan, I'm a Jets fan first. I root for the jersey not the player.

[catsigater]

If Mark Sanchez doesn't outplay Tim Tebow this off-season and in camp then we're really screwed, because it's not hard at all to look better than Tebow in practice.

QFT. From the reports, that was actually a pretty good practice Tebow-wise.

[Demosthenes9]

This is where you Teblow homers and Jet fans are different, we don't give a rats ass who the QB is as long they win. You Teblow fans only care about him and could care less about the Jets. I'm not any QB fan, I'm a Jets fan first. I root for the jersey not the player.

Newsflash for ya Barry, I've said repeatedly that I think Sanchez should be the starter.....

yeah, kind of feeling silly now, huh ????

[Banjo]

Practice don't mean squat! Tebow saves his best stuff for when it actually matters.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

OMG!! WOW!! REALLY ???? NO KIDDING ?

Starting QB with 3 seasons as a starter under his belt "outplays" the second string QB who has a whopping 16 starts to his name ? In the very first OTA for the team ?

You don't say.......

Not that I think one player outplaying another in an OTA in May means jack shit, but I find this type of statement we consistently hear from the Tebois funny. You guys act like Sanchez has been in the league twice as long as the Tebow. Sanchez was drafted in '09, the Tebow in '10.

The fact that Tebow couldn't get himself on the field sooner isn't anyone's fault but his own.

[TNJet]

Let's just win. IMO, we won just by not having Schotty anymore.

[Wolf Brother]

For various obvious reasons, yesterday's OTA practice was probably the most talked about event and its only May. I can just imagine the firestorm that's coming, and its a wonder how exactly its going to be managed. Signing up for so much extra baggage. Isn't this the same as Rex saying that We're winning a Superbowl? Seems like an inordinate amount of pressure and scrutiny to put on a team for a glorified Punt Protector. This was just walk-throughs and 7 on 7 drills. And why was Urban Meyer reportedly in attendance. So much fuss over a Punt Protector.

[Remarker]

This is where you Teblow homers and Jet fans are different, we don't give a rats ass who the QB is as long they win. You Teblow fans only care about him and could care less about the Jets. I'm not any QB fan, I'm a Jets fan first. I root for the jersey not the player.

Please know that many of us "Teblow homers" "don't give a rats ass who the QB is" either (quotes are your words). We simply believe Tim helps the team he is on. Based on the impression I get, that hasn't changed.

Go JETS!!! Win the big one!!!

[Coach K]

The better qb with the better skillset to throw the football looked better? OMG!!!!

These articles on ESPN and NFL.com are the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

Especially language like "don't worry, its still early"

Which is essentially a complete bias saying, ok Tebow fans don't worry eventually Tebow will start so we can write these shitty articles at an exponentially higher rate.

I have never seen the media rally and openly cheer for somebody so much in my life.


I've been critical of Tebow simply from a scouting standpoint and I wont budge on my assessment. That being said Im not cheering against him because while he's a Jet I want him to be the best player he can be.

But I've been a Sanchez fan since day one and I expect him to rise to the occassion and silence the Tebow talk.

But we all know the media is circling Sanchez like vultures waiting for one slip up so they can keep raising the pedestal Tebow has been placed on.

This media circus is litteraly tiring as a fan. No wonder Elway wanted this nonsense as far away from his team as possible.

[CowboysFan]

This is where you Teblow homers and Jet fans are different, we don't give a rats ass who the QB is as long they win. You Teblow fans only care about him and could care less about the Jets. I'm not any QB fan, I'm a Jets fan first. I root for the jersey not the player.

You are wrong about what Tebow fans want.

[Bannon]

This media circus is litteraly tiring as a fan. No wonder Elway wanted this nonsense as far away from his team as possible.

Wow. If yesterday was rough for you, then yes -- you've got some rough days ahead.

But I don't see it as a problem. Tebow will get minimal reps once camp starts and there won't be much to talk about. Sanchez will be fine as long as the team has a winning record. And if the team doesn't have a winning record -- well, there are only 4 or 5 guys in the league that can withstand losing and not get calls for some kind of change.

[cval]

Did anybody watch Tebow throw yesterday on ESPN? He takes six years to release the ball. Tebow is to bulky to throw with a quick release. If Tebow truly wants to be a throw form the pocket QB he needs slim up.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Lol Tebow fans holding on to whatever momentum they had. Which is none. Sanchez is the starter get over it already

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[Potzer]

^^^

Dude, the Teblows crowd are the only people being negative about this and picking fights.

Take a breath, look at what you've been saying. Then realize sane fans are just glad there is any football news.

This whole Tebots vs Teblows thing is lame.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

It's very lame, but these fairweather fans that joined this board and are just Tebow fans are a joke. They were never here before just stirring up trouble and trolling the board.

My previous post was all about having fun though no seriousness attached
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[NewEnglandJet]

It's very lame, but these fairweather fans that joined this board and are just Tebow fans are a joke. They were never here before just stirring up trouble and trolling the board.

My previous post was all about having fun though no seriousness attached
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Funny considering who started the post and the number of anti Tebow responses > pro Tebow. No pro Tebow person here said Tebow was going to be the starter or Tebow was better than Sanchez. You may want to look up the definition of troll. Troll.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Funny considering who started the post and the number of anti Tebow responses > pro Tebow. No pro Tebow person here said Tebow was going to be the starter or Tebow was better than Sanchez. You may want to look up the definition of troll. Troll.

Uh there have been posts which is why this is all happening in the first place. You may want to look up the definition moron. Moron.

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[ukjetsfan]

the media will make more of it then there really is, their job to speculate.

Actually, their job is to report what happens and why, they've just all forgotten that.

[ROCaMOB]

Don't know. How many deep passes to Hill did they dial up for Tebow ?

Funny thing is, you Sanchez supporters are the ones that have your panties in a twist. SANCHEZ OUTPLAYED TEBOW !!!! I can see you crying tears of joy right now.

From my perspective, I see that Tebow went 6 for 8. That indicates that he's gotten more consistent with his passing, which is something that ought to concern every other coach and defense in the NFL :)

Actually he went 8 for 8 if you count the 2 completions to the defense

[ROCaMOB]

You are wrong about what Tebow fans want.

I'm pretty sure Tebow fans want to annoy the shit out of every existing fan of the team he plays for or has played for.

[CowboysFan]

I'm pretty sure Tebow fans want to annoy the shit out of every existing fan of the team he plays for or has played for.

LOL, possibly.

[Potzer]

Can I ask this without getting crucified?

Was Sanchez playing against the 1st team defense? How about Tebow?

Which offense were they playing with? Was Tebow Cannibalizing 1st team snaps?

(I ask thinking that I know the answers. no,yes,no The answers to these questions tell more of a story then the stats in my opinion)

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Can I ask this without getting crucified?

Was Sanchez playing against the 1st team defense? How about Tebow?

Which offense were they playing with? Was Tebow Cannibalizing 1st team snaps?

(I ask thinking that I know the answers. no,yes,no The answers to these questions tell more of a story then the stats in my opinion)

I think Tebow did reps with the first and 2nd team

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[Demosthenes9]

Not that I think one player outplaying another in an OTA in May means jack shit, but I find this type of statement we consistently hear from the Tebois funny. You guys act like Sanchez has been in the league twice as long as the Tebow. Sanchez was drafted in '09, the Tebow in '10.

The fact that Tebow couldn't get himself on the field sooner isn't anyone's fault but his own.

Dude, the reason that Sanchez came in and started immediately is because that's what Rex wanted to do and the clubhouse was clear for it.

Tell me, what QB "competition" did Sanchez have to win ?? Erik Ainge, Kellen Clemens, Chris Pizzotti. Nice. Put a real QB in their and Sanchez wouldn't have stood a chance.

As for the Sanchez/Tebow thing, what you probably notice is that some of us have pointed out that Sanchez HAS the benefit of 3 times the number of starts, and therefore, should be better.

[NewEnglandJet]

Uh there have been posts which is why this is all happening in the first place. You may want to look up the definition moron. Moron.

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You're full of it as usual. You won't and could show me any posts. Tebow has you all affected again. The media is what people like you hate. The average Tebow fan is realistic, provides praise of his strengths while admitting his flaws. The average hater well...like you said moron.

[Sloup]

Can I ask this without getting crucified?

Was Sanchez playing against the 1st team defense? How about Tebow?

Which offense were they playing with? Was Tebow Cannibalizing 1st team snaps?

If memory serves, Bart Scott and Yeremiah Bell were the interceptors, and those are both 1st string guys.

My take- The only reason everybody is talking about this is because the media is surprised Sanchez is a better quarterback, which just goes to show that they don't know what they're talking about.

[Bannon]

Can I ask this without getting crucified?

Was Sanchez playing against the 1st team defense? How about Tebow?

Which offense were they playing with? Was Tebow Cannibalizing 1st team snaps?

(I ask thinking that I know the answers. no,yes,no The answers to these questions tell more of a story then the stats in my opinion)

These aren't live reps. They are 7-on7 drills. So they don't really fall into that type of "first team" and "second team" thinking as clearly. When the live reps come, Sanchez will get the vast majority of them. Tebow's will likely be limited to "Tebow Package" reps.

[Coach K]

Wow. If yesterday was rough for you, then yes -- you've got some rough days ahead.

But I don't see it as a problem. Tebow will get minimal reps once camp starts and there won't be much to talk about. Sanchez will be fine as long as the team has a winning record. And if the team doesn't have a winning record -- well, there are only 4 or 5 guys in the league that can withstand losing and not get calls for some kind of change.

Lol its not just yesterday. Its the constant marketing and medias bias to market Touchdown Jesus as much as possible and squeeze every penny and click, hit, and second of viewing more ascinine stories before the wheels on the bandwaggon fall off when it becomes painfully obvious he's not a franchise qb.

Its the constant downplay of his lack of skills recquired at the position hidden behind a facade that leadership is enough to get the job done.

Its the manipulation of masses for money and marketing pawned off as sports coverage.

It was annoying enough when he was on the other side of the country. Not to mention the dozens of blind followers who have nothing to do but worship the guy and masquerade around as jets fans.

Not to mention the droves of followers who keep trying to convince people that his college stats and success will somehow translate to sustained long term success when the general consensus says otherwise.

People don't get outraged because others defend the possibility of Tebows development.

People get outraged when they're painted as uninformed or bias for using logic and visual analysis as their reason for doubting his development

Especially by people who've never cheered for the damn team only claim they're a fan because one specific player was recently acquired and all of a sudden and speak so matter of factly about the state of said team.

This isn't directed at you. There's a decent amount of the new Tebow supporters who are decently knowledgable and keep things in a respectable perspective.

The rest just ruin the chance to have any decent discussion though.

[Bannon]

The rest just ruin the chance to have any decent discussion though.

It genuinely seems kind of quiet and manageable. Mild. Seems like there's much discussion of how agonizing the "wave" or "circus" has been, but it feels like about 3 or 4 guys posting every now and then. Haven't seen too many bonafide derp-derps posting too much.

But I guess each perceives it differently.

[NewEnglandJet]

Lol its not just yesterday. Its the constant marketing and medias bias to market Touchdown Jesus as much as possible and squeeze every penny and click, hit, and second of viewing more ascinine stories before the wheels on the bandwaggon fall off when it becomes painfully obvious he's not a franchise qb.

Its the constant downplay of his lack of skills recquired at the position hidden behind a facade that leadership is enough to get the job done.

Its the manipulation of masses for money and marketing pawned off as sports coverage.

It was annoying enough when he was on the other side of the country. Not to mention the dozens of blind followers who have nothing to do but worship the guy and masquerade around as jets fans.

Not to mention the droves of followers who keep trying to convince people that his college stats and success will somehow translate to sustained long term success when the general consensus says otherwise.

People don't get outraged because others defend the possibility of Tebows development.

People get outraged when they're painted as uninformed or bias for using logic and visual analysis as their reason for doubting his development

Especially by people who've never cheered for the damn team only claim they're a fan because one specific player was recently acquired and all of a sudden and speak so matter of factly about the state of said team.

This isn't directed at you. There's a decent amount of the new Tebow supporters who are decently knowledgable and keep things in a respectable perspective.

The rest just ruin the chance to have any decent discussion though.

You nailed it.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Dude, the reason that Sanchez came in and started immediately is because that's what Rex wanted to do and the clubhouse was clear for it.

Tell me, what QB "competition" did Sanchez have to win ?? Erik Ainge, Kellen Clemens, Chris Pizzotti. Nice. Put a real QB in their and Sanchez wouldn't have stood a chance.

As for the Sanchez/Tebow thing, what you probably notice is that some of us have pointed out that Sanchez HAS the benefit of 3 times the number of starts, and therefore, should be better.The main reason sanchez benefits because he just the better qb.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

You're full of it as usual. You won't and could show me any posts. Tebow has you all affected again. The media is what people like you hate. The average Tebow fan is realistic, provides praise of his strengths while admitting his flaws. The average hater well...like you said moron.

Dude just check the posts in this board its evident. Honestly I like Tebow as a football player not as a QB which I have mentioned multiple times. It's the media and the people that actually think Tebow will start that piss me off and it will be the same fuckers that chant his name in the stands begging the FO to start the guy.

We have seen in the past how the fanbase can affect the decisions of the FO. Things like this could get a coach and GM fired. It's a serious situation and very delicate.

Like I said I have no issue with Tebow fans pointing out his strengths for this football team. It's the ones that don't care about the team but just Tebow in general.

That's my issue. Call me a hater I don't give a fuck. I just want the Jets to be successful plain and simple

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[LongTimeJetsFan]

Dude, the reason that Sanchez came in and started immediately is because that's what Rex wanted to do and the clubhouse was clear for it.

Tell me, what QB "competition" did Sanchez have to win ?? Erik Ainge, Kellen Clemens, Chris Pizzotti. Nice. Put a real QB in their and Sanchez wouldn't have stood a chance.

As for the Sanchez/Tebow thing, what you probably notice is that some of us have pointed out that Sanchez HAS the benefit of 3 times the number of starts, and therefore, should be better.

Excuses. The reason Sanchez has more starts is because he's the better QB.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Excuses. The reason Sanchez has more starts is because he's the better QB.100% right..He acts like it was Tebow rookie year last season.

[Demosthenes9]

Excuses. The reason Sanchez has more starts is because he's the better QB.

Dude, if Kyle Orton was on the roster when Sanchez was drafted, then Sanchez wouldn't have started. If you want, I can go down a list of a BUNCH of other QBs who would have kept Sanchez sitting on the pine.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sanchez is a good QB and he is still developing, but some of you are acting like he came in as a Peyton Manning clone and has performed as such. That just isn't the case.

[Demosthenes9]

100% right..He acts like it was Tebow rookie year last season.

It was his first real time as a starter (and even then, he took over midseason during a bye week) with no off season to speak of.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Dude, if Kyle Orton was on the roster when Sanchez was drafted, then Sanchez wouldn't have started. If you want, I can go down a list of a BUNCH of other QBs who would have kept Sanchez sitting on the pine.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sanchez is a good QB and he is still developing, but some of you are acting like he came in as a Peyton Manning clone and has performed as such. That just isn't the case.

I don't think any Jet fan truly wanted Mark to start his rookie year due to his inexperience

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[LongTimeJetsFan]

Dude, if Kyle Orton was on the roster when Sanchez was drafted, then Sanchez wouldn't have started. If you want, I can go down a list of a BUNCH of other QBs who would have kept Sanchez sitting on the pine.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sanchez is a good QB and he is still developing, but some of you are acting like he came in as a Peyton Manning clone and has performed as such. That just isn't the case.

I see, you're trying to turn this around like I'm the one being unreasonable. Let's rewind. Tebois like to make the excuse that Tebow only has 16 career starts and Sanchez has been a starter for 3 years as if Sanchez has been in the league for 3 times as long. The problem with that bullshit excuse is that Tebow was drafted just one year after Sanchez.

Tebow sucks at QB therefore he hasn't started that many games. It's not because Sanchez has been around for so much longer that he has so many more starts.

No one is acting like Sanchez is a Peyton Manning clone. That's just another load of bullshit from the #1 Teboi.

[CowboysFan]

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[Demosthenes9]

I see, you're trying to turn this around like I'm the one being unreasonable. Let's rewind. Tebois like to make the excuse that Tebow only has 16 career starts and Sanchez has been a starter for 3 years as if Sanchez has been in the league for 3 times as long. The problem with that bullshit excuse is that Tebow was drafted just one year after Sanchez.

Tebow sucks at QB therefore he hasn't started that many games. It's not because Sanchez has been around for so much longer that he has so many more starts.

No one is acting like Sanchez is a Peyton Manning clone. That's just another load of bullshit from the #1 Teboi.


Man, you make it so difficult for me to avoid getting banned again. Dude, the only one who has brought up the "been in the league 3 times as long" is YOU. It's purely a result of YOUR thinking.

Most people in the world understand that experience comes from actually playing. That is why I, and others, point out that Tebow has only started 16 games while Sanchez has started 60 or whatever. It demonstrates the difference in experience level.

Now, before you go on and on about how this is wrong, just look around and what many Jets fan say about Sanchez. THEY point out that Sanchez ONLY had 16 starts in college. They don't talk about him being a QB at USC for THREE FREAKING YEARS. No, they talk about his 16 starts.

Guess what ? THEY ARE RIGHT. There's a HUGE difference between being the starter and riding the pine, carrying the clipboard, signally the plays or whatever else you want to call it.

The main reason that Mark Sanchez has as many starts as he does is that Rex went up and drafted him at #5 and handed him the job. If Kyle Orton had been on the roster and had competed with Sanchez, Orton would have been the starter.

[whichfan]

Not that the first OTA practice means anything but considering this is about interceptions, I'm not really worried about one of the top quarterbacks in interception %.

Tebow had 6 last year and Sanchez had 18. Tebow's career interception % is 2.5, one of the best in the league, better than Peyton Manning's 2.7%. Sanchez is below league average at 3.6%. Tebow's never had an interception problem.

The issue everyone had with Tebow was completion % so if people are going to look at OTA's as some sort of meaningful sign....

Some of Tebow's passes came out a bit high. He was picked off on back-to-back passes in 7-on-7 drills, by Bart Scott and new Jets safety Yeremiah Bell. Tebow finished 6-for-8 in the nine snaps he took in 11-on-11 team drills, by an unofficial count
Tebow was also used on special teams, as the personal protector on the punt team.
Sanchez looked pretty sharp (and in case you were wondering, was the best quarterback on the field). His first three passes in 11-on-11s were incomplete, but that included a drop or two from his receivers. The highlight was a 75-yard touchdown to Stephen Hill, who burned Kyle Wilson on coverage. Sanchez finished 7-of-14 in 17 snaps during 11-on-11 team drills.

Then Tebow finished with a 67% completion percentage and Sanchez with 50%......

[#1 Jets Fan]

Man, you make it so difficult for me to avoid getting banned again. Dude, the only one who has brought up the "been in the league 3 times as long" is YOU. It's purely a result of YOUR thinking.

Most people in the world understand that experience comes from actually playing. That is why I, and others, point out that Tebow has only started 16 games while Sanchez has started 60 or whatever. It demonstrates the difference in experience level.

Now, before you go on and on about how this is wrong, just look around and what many Jets fan say about Sanchez. THEY point out that Sanchez ONLY had 16 starts in college. They don't talk about him being a QB at USC for THREE FREAKING YEARS. No, they talk about his 16 starts.

Guess what ? THEY ARE RIGHT. There's a HUGE difference between being the starter and riding the pine, carrying the clipboard, signally the plays or whatever else you want to call it.

The main reason that Mark Sanchez has as many starts as he does is that Rex went up and drafted him at #5 and handed him the job. If Kyle Orton had been on the roster and had competed with Sanchez, Orton would have been the starter.U have to earn ur way to be a starting QB. Elway dumped Tebow and doesn't have faith that Tebow will become good enough to be a starter in the NFL. That was proven when they drafted a QB this year.

[whichfan]

U have to earn ur way to be a starting QB. Elway dumped Tebow and doesn't have faith that Tebow will become good enough to be a starter in the NFL. That was proven when they drafted a QB this year.

Still going strong at spinning and throwing around your nonsense I see. That means nothing. All that meant is that Elway didn't want Tebow, as popular as he is, the guy who turned around the Broncos last year and carried them into the playoffs, backing up Peyton Manning. Nobody's going to be chanting Osweilder's name in the stands.

There would be a much bigger controversy in Denver between Tebow and Manning than there is here, if Elway kept Tebow, considering Tebow go in so deep into the playoffs last year.

Not to mention two completely different offensive philosophy. Brock is a traditional QB. Tebow isn't. Manning and spread offense goes together about as well as Tebow and traditional QB. Broncos needed a back-up. Them drafting Brock means nothing.

Anyway, carry on with your hate....

[westflgator]

Exactly, the Tebow coverage is unreal. I can see where the media hype over Tebow can get old really fast, but let's be fair in our analysis of his play. Same thing happened in Denver, he didn't get any off season work with the recievers, then he was the backup getting very few reps once the works outs finally started. The management finally got tired of the fans crying for Tebow so they threw him in there(thinking he would fail and they could shut the fans up) with virtually no reps with the recievers ( which were horrible by the way, most were inexperienced in the NFL as well) with a coach who is the worst play caller in the league. He calls very predictable running plays on 1st & 2nd downs, and then wants his inexperienced no practice young QB to throw to his inexperienced wr's (none of which are on the same page yet) on 3rd and long. You put any young qb in this situation and there numbers will be horrible. But Tebow does have the ability to use his legs to make some good things happen even in that situation.

This whole Tebow can't throw just cracks me up. No Qb is going to look good in that situation especially in their first few starts. If you look a Tim's stats as a QB in the SEC (which I know isn't the NFL but it's all relative and is an indicator of one's ability) he is one of the top passers of all time. He ranks either at the top or very close in every category(with the exception of total yardage) including pass eff, and pass eff rating. You can't put up those kind of numbers in the SEC if you can't throw.

When he was finally turned loose in the 4th quarter of those games last year, when the offense wasn't so predicatable, he put up pretty good numbers after he and the recievers started to get on the same page. You put him in a better situation with a coach who understands how to call plays, with recievers that he has had time to gel with and Tim will be fine. Contrary to some who post on here, Tim can make all the throws, just go back and look at his college tape. Making the throws and accuracy was never a problem in college, the main problem he got criticized for coming out of college was his long wind up.

Don't forget how bad Denver was before Tebow became the starter. Even though their passing game was horrible because of everything I have already mentioned above, Tim required so much attention from the defense that he opened up their running game. They went from one of the worst running teams to one of the best over night. And towards the end of the season late in games (in less predicatable situations) had a decent passing game as well.

Tim brings many qualities to the field that you don't see when you only focus on the passing numbers. Oh by the way extending drives, with the improved running game also helped the defensive numbers improve drastically. Anyone who looks at the numbers before and after Tebow who can't see this is either blind or can't see.

[red75bronco]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.

[Bannon]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.

He surely does get the blame. You have a common syndrome where you read something from someone on the internet, assume that's a general consensus, and then feel resentment over it. When that happens, it's time to step away from the keyboard.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear lots of commentators say he shouldn't be a QB in this league. It will be music to your ears.

[CowboysFan]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.


I know talking to you is like talking to a wall but I thought I would give it more more shot.

That is all made up, no one gives credit to Tebow for everything and most everyone shines neon lights on his faults 24/7.

I had a standing paypal bet at the broncos country message boards that if anyone could find even a single message that gave Tebow credit for everything I would paypal them $100 (went up to $500) and it was never claimed.

Go ahead and knock yourself out and be part of that challenge if you like and try and find it .

what you are doing is that you see him in media coverage 24/7 and equate that with giving him credit when the exact opposite is actually true. All that media coverage is usually ripping him mercilessly.

[Demosthenes9]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.

here's the thing. When you look at something that a person has done, you have to look at things in their entirety.

Let's forget Tebow and look at Sanchez for a minute. He had a lot of interceptions last year. Should he shoulder the blame for that ? To some degree, yes, he should.

BUT, there are some explanations as to why he had so many interceptions. When the right side of your Oline is a turnstyle, that has an impact and will lead to extremely quick decisions and mistakes. Tighten up the pass protection, interceptions should go back down.

In my view, people often don't understand that there is a difference between "excuses" and "valid reasons". Say that you are supposed to be at work at 9:00am. You end up getting there at 11:00. Are you to blame for this ? Well, it depends. Say that while on the way in, your car got T-boned by another driver who wasn't paying attention. You ended up with no broken bones, but had some deep lacertations that needed to be tended to. Ambulance arrived and they took you to the hospital for stitches. Police stopped by and questioned you about the accident before allowing you to go on your way.

Again, it was your responsibility to be at work at 9:00, but is it your fault that you were late?

In Tebow's case, it's a mix of things. Some of his problems were due to Denver just being an awful team. The #1 and #2 receivers were only in their second year, and neither of them had many starts under their belts. Add to this, DThomas was coming off an early injury and wasn't even in game shape until near the end of the season. Next, you can look at the very young Oline and Denver's own version of Wayne Hunter, Orlando Franklin.

I know I'll catch some flack for this one, but next I'd look at the coaches. John Fox ? I really don't know how he still has a job in the NFL. Mike McCoy was in his first season running his "own" offense (at the start of the season) and I believe it was his first time as a play caller as well. Yes, he was OC the year before, but that was McDaniels offense and he called the plays.

With all that said, was Tebow himself at fault for anything ? Sure he was. Even if all the things above had been much, much better, Tebow would still have had problems. Then again, he's a young QB and he only had 3 previous starts when he took over for Orton. He had problems just like most other young QBs in their first starts. Here's a quick list:

he held the ball too long
he had trouble understanding what is "open" in the NFL
He had trouble reading defenses
He had trouble with his timing and anticipation
He had trouble with his mechanics
He had trouble with his footwork.

Most of those issues are problems that just about ALL young QBs have. Time and experience goes a long way in helping solve those problems. Hell, it took John Elway years to learn how to read defenses, and that was back during a time when defenses were less complex than they are now.

BTW, this isn't to say that time and experience will definitely fix those problems. Some QBs just never get it. The game never slows down for them. Try as they might, they can never get the hang of reading defenses, or passing with anticipation.

There are two things wrt to Tebow that I'm absolutely sure of. First, is that I'm absolutely sure that I don't know if Tebow will succeed or if he will wash out as a QB. Second, I'm absolutely sure that with only 16 starts under his belt, it is waaaay too early to conclude that Tebow won't be a good NFL QB.

[Biggs]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.

He has no shortcommings.

[Biggs]

This whole thing is being billed as Sanchez vs. Tebow blah blah blah. This whole thing is going to be a circus. The second Sanchez struggles the idiots are going to come out screaming for Tebow.

Does anyone in their right mind doubt that Tebow will start? This guy was one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The SEC makes the NFL look like the USFL, need I say more. Heisman Trophy, National Championships and did you see what he did for that crappy Denver team? Completion percent and throwing motion mean nothing we are talking about Tim Tebow.

I would own his Jersey but I'm not worthy of having it hang in my closet. Rumor has it his dog Krypto, like Tebow comes from a planet with a red sun.

If Tebow wants to start Tebow will start. I suspect he likes Mark and wants to build him up before taking his job. That's just the kind of guy Tebow is.

[CowboysFan]

Does anyone in their right mind doubt that Tebow will start? This guy was one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The SEC makes the NFL look like the USFL, need I say more. Heisman Trophy, National Championships and did you see what he did for that crappy Denver team? Completion percent and throwing motion mean nothing we are talking about Tim Tebow.

I would own his Jersey but I'm not worthy of having it hang in my closet. Rumor has it his dog Krypto, like Tebow comes from a planet with a red sun.

If Tebow wants to start Tebow will start. I suspect he likes Mark and wants to build him up before taking his job. That's just the kind of guy Tebow is.


its crap like this posted by haters that gets confused with what his actual fans say.

But please keep up the good work!

Being a card carrying member of the Anti Tebow cult can be hard work sometimes and needs to be applauded .

[Demosthenes9]

Does anyone in their right mind doubt that Tebow will start? This guy was one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The SEC makes the NFL look like the USFL, need I say more. Heisman Trophy, National Championships and did you see what he did for that crappy Denver team? Completion percent and throwing motion mean nothing we are talking about Tim Tebow.

I would own his Jersey but I'm not worthy of having it hang in my closet. Rumor has it his dog Krypto, like Tebow comes from a planet with a red sun.

If Tebow wants to start Tebow will start. I suspect he likes Mark and wants to build him up before taking his job. That's just the kind of guy Tebow is.

The only way Tebow will start is IF Sanchez is injured OR IF Sanchez completely stinks it up for a number of games. Even then, I'd say that first, Tebow would probably only go in for a series or two to get Mark's attention and to let him regroup.

[NewEnglandJet]

Does anyone in their right mind doubt that Tebow will start? This guy was one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The SEC makes the NFL look like the USFL, need I say more. Heisman Trophy, National Championships and did you see what he did for that crappy Denver team? Completion percent and throwing motion mean nothing we are talking about Tim Tebow.

I would own his Jersey but I'm not worthy of having it hang in my closet. Rumor has it his dog Krypto, like Tebow comes from a planet with a red sun.

If Tebow wants to start Tebow will start. I suspect he likes Mark and wants to build him up before taking his job. That's just the kind of guy Tebow is.

Im pretty sure this entire post was sarcasm. People dont actually believe this.

[westflgator]

Why does tebow get all the credit for anything good but none of the blame for his shortcomings? It is always someone else's fault.
That is not at all what I'm saying. Tim made plenty of mistakes. The point is, given how bad the team was before he became the starter, it is ridiculous and illogical to not give him credit for the drastic improvement of the team. Does he need to improve tremendously with reading defenses and making better throws? Absolutely, just like most other young QB's. If you look at the numbers of some of the best of all time you will find most didn't have great numbers in their first year as a starter. Some like Cam put up huge yardage numbers, but their passing TD to Int ratio's are usually horrible. I don't know if Tim will make it or not, but it is way to early given the numbers he put up in college, and with how he helped to turn the Bronco's around last year, to say he can't play QB in the NFL. All we are trying to say is give him the chance to compete and prove himself either way before writing him off as an NFL QB.

[red75bronco]

I know talking to you is like talking to a wall but I thought I would give it more more shot.

That is all made up, no one gives credit to Tebow for everything and most everyone shines neon lights on his faults 24/7.

I had a standing paypal bet at the broncos country message boards that if anyone could find even a single message that gave Tebow credit for everything I would paypal them $100 (went up to $500) and it was never claimed.

Go ahead and knock yourself out and be part of that challenge if you like and try and find it .

what you are doing is that you see him in media coverage 24/7 and equate that with giving him credit when the exact opposite is actually true. All that media coverage is usually ripping him mercilessly.

You obviously did not read the post right above mine. Tebow was not to blame ever for his super crappy 58 minutes of QB play. It was the fault of his terrible receivers and absolutely crappy coaching. Also, it was tebow that won games by scoring a whopping 17 ppg. It had nothing to do with anyone else except Tebow. Read the post he was a great QB in college so if he isn't in the NFL it is fault of everyone else. Forget the media and talking heads, I am talking about the tebois. You are not even a jets fan and you feel obligated to invade whatever message board of the team is on to say how great he is and defend him against critique. Just the fact that all of you tebow lovers flocked here says it all. It is 10 times more than even the Favre fans. At least they had a SB victory and 15 some years of HOF success as the reason.

[red75bronco]

That is not at all what I'm saying. Tim made plenty of mistakes. The point is, given how bad the team was before he became the starter, it is ridiculous and illogical to not give him credit for the drastic improvement of the team. Does he need to improve tremendously with reading defenses and making better throws? Absolutely, just like most other young QB's. If you look at the numbers of some of the best of all time you will find most didn't have great numbers in their first year as a starter. Some like Cam put up huge yardage numbers, but their passing TD to Int ratio's are usually horrible. I don't know if Tim will make it or not, but it is way to early given the numbers he put up in college, and with how he helped to turn the Bronco's around last year, to say he can't play QB in the NFL. All we are trying to say is give him the chance to compete and prove himself either way before writing him off as an NFL QB.
You said the wide receivers were terrible and the coaching sucked as the reasons Tebows numbers were bad. Did you ever consider the game planning Denver did was the only way to win a football game with tebow? Tebow deserves credit an di never said he didn't, but to say he is a bad QB because of the coaches and WRs is laughable when you can pull up videos of him in every game throwing one in the dirt or 5 yards over the head of a wr.

[Biggs]

Im pretty sure this entire post was sarcasm. People dont actually believe this.

Son, I'm not drinking Cool Aid, I'm drinking holy water and people most certainly believe Tim Tebow is a great HOF potential QB because his entire history has it written all over him.

He has the leadership of Rodger Staubach, the cannon arm of Terry Bradshaw, the cool decision making of Joe Montana, the elusiveness of Fran Tarkenton and the power of Jim Brown.

He will not just be the starting QB of the NY Jets he will lead us to multiple SB before he's bust is in the NFL HOF.

He is an inspiration and I have learned so much from his transplanted fans, I feel truly blessed.

[Remarker]

Does anyone in their right mind doubt that Tebow will start? This guy was one of the greatest college QB's of all time. The SEC makes the NFL look like the USFL, need I say more. Heisman Trophy, National Championships and did you see what he did for that crappy Denver team? Completion percent and throwing motion mean nothing we are talking about Tim Tebow.

I would own his Jersey but I'm not worthy of having it hang in my closet. Rumor has it his dog Krypto, like Tebow comes from a planet with a red sun.

If Tebow wants to start Tebow will start. I suspect he likes Mark and wants to build him up before taking his job. That's just the kind of guy Tebow is.

Superman wears Tebow pajamas, don't ya know nothin'?

[Apple Jack]

Blurb from the Mike Westhoff Q&A (sorry to post here, but i can't start threads yet). (and I can't post links, so I can't link to the entire Q&A)


Q: Gratuitous question of the day: If there's anyone who can make the most of Tim Tebow's talents it's you. I know he's going to play special teams, but how will you use him?

Westhoff: I have so many things I'm trying I don't have time to recall them all. I'm going to use him everywhere. When he was sitting in with me on this punt stuff, an assistant said to him, "You know, you're going to have to run down and make a tackle," and [Tebow] gave him a look that just froze him -- something like: "You don't think I'm going to run down there and make a tackle?" I started laughing and thought, "You just learned a good lesson there, young man."


:rofl:

[westflgator]

You said the wide receivers were terrible and the coaching sucked as the reasons Tebows numbers were bad. Did you ever consider the game planning Denver did was the only way to win a football game with tebow? Tebow deserves credit an di never said he didn't, but to say he is a bad QB because of the coaches and WRs is laughable when you can pull up videos of him in every game throwing one in the dirt or 5 yards over the head of a wr.
No I said those things contributed to the horrible passing offense that they had. And anyone with just a little football IQ would be able to see that. Yes he looked horrible at times, especially early on in his first 5 or 6 starts, but like most young Qb's he made great improvement. I was pointing out that not many Qb's would have good numbers in the situation he was in. And to say they could only game plan that way because he couldn't throw make absolutely no sense, becuase when they would turn him loose late in games he was able to make plays. It's a lot harder to make plays in the passing game when you are throwing mostly on 3rd and long. In the 4th they had to throw on 1st and 2nd more often, keeping the defense off guard making it easier to make plays. The Denver staff didn't want Tebow period from the day Horse Face and company came to town, he was in a no win situation there. Horse Face is pretty hyprocritical considering his numbers were worse than Tebows in his first season as a starter. If they would have based all of his future potential as a QB on those stats where would he be right now? All I am saying to you and the haters is give him a chance before declaring that he is doomed to be bust at Qb in the NFL. It would be good if the media would lighten up on the Tebow covereage, I know that gets old to the teammates, coaches, and fans. I'm a huge fan and it gets old to me as well...

[red75bronco]

No I said those things contributed to the horrible passing offense that they had. And anyone with just a little football IQ would be able to see that. Yes he looked horrible at times, especially early on in his first 5 or 6 starts, but like most young Qb's he made great improvement. I was pointing out that not many Qb's would have good numbers in the situation he was in. And to say they could only game plan that way because he couldn't throw make absolutely no sense, becuase when they would turn him loose late in games he was able to make plays. It's a lot harder to make plays in the passing game when you are throwing mostly on 3rd and long. In the 4th they had to throw on 1st and 2nd more often, keeping the defense off guard making it easier to make plays. The Denver staff didn't want Tebow period from the day Horse Face and company came to town, he was in a no win situation there. Horse Face is pretty hyprocritical considering his numbers were worse than Tebows in his first season as a starter. If they would have based all of his future potential as a QB on those stats where would he be right now? All I am saying to you and the haters is give him a chance before declaring that he is doomed to be bust at Qb in the NFL. It would be good if the media would lighten up on the Tebow covereage, I know that gets old to the teammates, coaches, and fans. I'm a huge fan and it gets old to me as well...

On 3rd down and more than 9 yards, tebow completes 55% of his passes for a 97 rating. He also has a 8.1 yd avg. On 3rd down and 3-8 yards to go, tebow completes 35% of his passes for A 30 rating. He has a 2.3 yd avg. he had 38 attempts of 9+ and 37 attempts of 3-8. One could say the long third downs actually padded his horrible stats. Either way he wasn't getting first downs. A NFL QB has to convert 3rd downs and tebow is terrible at 3rd and intermediate. My thought is, he can't read a defense and had a very slow inaccurate release. Thus on the pressure plays, tebow can't make them with his arm. This is one of the many reasons I don't see him ever being a good QB.

Ground and pound requires a QB convert these third downs and it is one of Tebows biggest weaknesses.

[CowboysFan]

You obviously did not read the post right above mine. Tebow was not to blame ever for his super crappy 58 minutes of QB play. It was the fault of his terrible receivers and absolutely crappy coaching. Also, it was tebow that won games by scoring a whopping 17 ppg. It had nothing to do with anyone else except Tebow. Read the post he was a great QB in college so if he isn't in the NFL it is fault of everyone else. Forget the media and talking heads, I am talking about the tebois. You are not even a jets fan and you feel obligated to invade whatever message board of the team is on to say how great he is and defend him against critique. Just the fact that all of you tebow lovers flocked here says it all. It is 10 times more than even the Favre fans. At least they had a SB victory and 15 some years of HOF success as the reason.

My bad 100% if you were referring to an individual post and not generalizing.



On 3rd down and more than 9 yards, tebow completes 55% of his passes for a 97 rating. He also has a 8.1 yd avg. On 3rd down and 3-8 yards to go, tebow completes 35% of his passes for A 30 rating. He has a 2.3 yd avg. he had 38 attempts of 9+ and 37 attempts of 3-8. One could say the long third downs actually padded his horrible stats. Either way he wasn't getting first downs. A NFL QB has to convert 3rd downs and tebow is terrible at 3rd and intermediate. My thought is, he can't read a defense and had a very slow inaccurate release. Thus on the pressure plays, tebow can't make them with his arm. This is one of the many reasons I don't see him ever being a good QB.

Ground and pound requires a QB convert these third downs and it is one of Tebows biggest weaknesses.

Are you aware at how bad Denver was because you are talking about Tebow as if he took over the Packers.

[ShaneFalco@MileHigh]

only fools would try to make something out of nothing with this. sanchez is what in his 5th year? if he isnt outplaying tebow in practice in a brand new system there is something wrong...

[nyjetsrule]

only fools would try to make something out of nothing with this. sanchez is what in his 5th year? if he isnt outplaying tebow in practice in a brand new system there is something wrong...

reading comprehension is terrible...

it's been said about 10 times this thread that Sanchez was drafted in 2009, and Tebow in 2010. Not exactly a huge disparity in age

[#1 Jets Fan]

reading comprehension is terrible...

it's been said about 10 times this thread that Sanchez was drafted in 2009, and Tebow in 2010. Not exactly a huge disparity in ageThe Tebow nuts are running out of excrises. So there making shit up.

[Jets1Zero]

reading comprehension is terrible...

it's been said about 10 times this thread that Sanchez was drafted in 2009, and Tebow in 2010. Not exactly a huge disparity in age

Sanchez was drafted in 2009 and named the immediate starter. Tebow was drafted a year later, and stashed into the depth chart immediately. Comparing their NFL experience and implying that there isn't a big difference between someone who has 16 starts against someone who has 3 seasons worth of starts is plain ignorant.

EDIT: I should clarify that I'm not saying that I think Tebow is the OMG BEST PLAYER EVER, but I don't see how people think a single OTA with less than a half dozen throws is an indicator of ANYTHING for how either QB will play this season.

[displacedfan]

Sanchez was drafted in 2009 and named the immediate starter. Tebow was drafted a year later, and stashed into the depth chart immediately. Comparing their NFL experience and implying that there isn't a big difference between someone who has 16 starts against someone who has 3 seasons worth of starts is plain ignorant.

EDIT: I should clarify that I'm not saying that I think Tebow is the OMG BEST PLAYER EVER, but I don't see how people think a single OTA with less than a half dozen throws is an indicator of ANYTHING for how either QB will play this season.

It is not an indicator, but the media coverage of it was ridiculous and unecessary. Then people also pointed out, could you imagine if Tebow threw the 75 yd TD and Sanchez the 2 picks? The media was already saying this was a QB competition, imagine if the scenarios were reversed?

We as Jets fans need to get used to the media over analyzing every little thing done and said by the Jets (even more than the past 2 years), and I am guessing Woody is 100% okay with the side effects of the trade.

EDIT: put "Woody is" into my last sentence. forgot to add that important phrase

[#1 Jets Fan]

It is not an indicator, but the media coverage of it was ridiculous and unecessary. Then people also pointed out, could you imagine if Tebow threw the 75 yd TD and Sanchez the 2 picks? The media was already saying this was a QB competition, imagine if the scenarios were reversed?

We as Jets fans need to get used to the media over analyzing every little thing done and said by the Jets (even more than the past 2 years), and I am guessing 100% okay with the side effects of the trade.That what I don't get. The media calling it a qb competition? I also thought that meant 2 people fighting to be the starter like what going on in Cleveland?

[tzinc]

If Mark was a franchise QB then Tebow wouldn't be here.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

If Woody had some common sense to go along with the PT Barnum showmanship then Tebow wouldn't be here.

The thing that's fascinating is that the Giants actually laid out the prototype in front of him. Draft a franchise QB. Carefully build the offense around him. Live with the ups and downs. Profit when he has his feet firmly on the ground with playmakers around him and everybody on the same page. Somehow we wound up with Trader Joe's as our model instead and instead of profit we will get more of the same.

The Giants changed offensive coordinators and they got rid of the two high profile players who were most critical of Eli in his first 3 seasons,Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey. The Jets should have gotten rid of Holmes, regardless of the cost after his antics last season. It's like they're the anti-Giants in terms of methods.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

If Mark was a franchise QB then Tebow wouldn't be here.

If Tebow was a franchise QB the Broncos wouldn't have traded him for a loss a couple of years after taking him with a 1st round pick.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

If Tebow was a franchise QB the Broncos wouldn't have traded him for a loss a couple of years after taking him with a 1st round pick.

The Broncos not only traded Tebow, they fired the guy who took him after only two seasons on the job.

That's like a reflexive disgorgement. Trade the guy who saddled you with the QB and then a year later trade the QB.

[Demosthenes9]

If Tebow was a franchise QB the Broncos wouldn't have traded him for a loss a couple of years after taking him with a 1st round pick.

The Broncos not only traded Tebow, they fired the guy who took him after only two seasons on the job.

That's like a reflexive disgorgement. Trade the guy who saddled you with the QB and then a year later trade the QB.



Actually, things like this often happen when new regimes come in. It's normal "house cleaning". The new boss wants "their people" in place.

The Tebow trade really only tells you two things. First, Elway wanted Peyton Manning when he became available, can't fault him for that. Second, that Elway didn't see Tebow as a franchise QB.

IIRC, the top brass in San Diego didn't see Drew Brees as a franchise QB either, which is why they drafted Rivers and later, let Brees walk via FA.

Seem to recall that Brees has been a pretty good QB down in New Orleans :)

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Actually, things like this often happen when new regimes come in. It's normal "house cleaning". The new boss wants "their people" in place.

The Tebow trade really only tells you two things. First, Elway wanted Peyton Manning when he became available, can't fault him for that. Second, that Elway didn't see Tebow as a franchise QB.

IIRC, the top brass in San Diego didn't see Drew Brees as a franchise QB either, which is why they drafted Rivers and later, let Brees walk via FA.

Seem to recall that Brees has been a pretty good QB down in New Orleans :)
First, you realize that these were in response to a teboi saying Sanchez isn't a franchize QB because the Jets traded a 4th round pick for the Tebow, right?

Second, teams normally give first round QB much longer before they bail on them. Brees was with the Chargers for 5 years before they let him walk. They probably never would have let him walk if they didn't have Rivers either, oh and that massive injury to his throwing shoulder. It's not like they traded for an aging vet at the tail end of his career. A little different than 2 years and done, no?

[CowboysFan]

The Tebow nuts are running out of excrises. So there making shit up.

what is really interesting is how you root against a player on your own team, it shows what you are all about.

[#1 Jets Fan]

what is really interesting is how you root against a player on your own team, it shows what you are all about.I'm not rooting against Tebow at all. I'm just giving my opinion on what I think about Tebow. I'm sure u got at least one player on the Cowboys u don't think is that good.

[CowboysFan]

I'm not rooting against Tebow at all. I'm just giving my opinion on what I think about Tebow. I'm sure u got at least one player on the Cowboys u don't think is that good.

I am sure I do but trust me I am not so focused on making sure everyone knows about it 24/7 and further more, no one I hate on the cowboys has 32 TDs and a 9-7 record as a starting QB when he is a punt protector.

so lighten up and look at the bright side of a stellar athlete...

[Demosthenes9]

First, you realize that these were in response to a teboi saying Sanchez isn't a franchize QB because the Jets traded a 4th round pick for the Tebow, right?

Not that it matters, but your logic is flawed on that one. That Denver traded Tebow would only mean that THEY didn't think he was a franchise QB (just like SD didn't think Brees was). That the Jets picked him up might just call into question whether or not they think Sanchez is one.

FWIW, my take on it is that the Jets do see him as the Sanchize, but that he needs a little bit of prodding to really step up and take the reigns.



Second, teams normally give first round QB much longer before they bail on them. Brees was with the Chargers for 5 years before they let him walk. They probably never would have let him walk if they didn't have Rivers either, oh and that massive injury to his throwing shoulder. It's not like they traded for an aging vet at the tail end of his career. A little different than 2 years and done, no?

Depends on the situation. I'd say that coaching staffs definitely give 1st round, top draft picks much longer to develop. When you have a regime change though, the dynamics change completely. It's understandable on a number of levels. First, different people can have varying opinions on a player. With some players, there is a consensus of sorts, but with other players (such as Tebow), there's polarization of opinion.

Secondly, when a new GM takes over, he often wants people that he has selected for key positions. It's his neck on the line, and if his job is at risk, he wants the people that he thinks is right. Take a look at Oakland for example. Hue Jackson has a pretty good reputation amongst many in the NFL, but a new GM came in and fired him.

Oh, and with Brees, Rivers and SD, the thing to look at isn't only when SD let Brees go, but the fact that they took Rivers in the first round of the 2004 draft, which was only after Brees' third year, but only his 2nd as a starter (2002 and 2003).

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Actually, things like this often happen when new regimes come in. It's normal "house cleaning". The new boss wants "their people" in place.

The Tebow trade really only tells you two things. First, Elway wanted Peyton Manning when he became available, can't fault him for that. Second, that Elway didn't see Tebow as a franchise QB.

IIRC, the top brass in San Diego didn't see Drew Brees as a franchise QB either, which is why they drafted Rivers and later, let Brees walk via FA.

Seem to recall that Brees has been a pretty good QB down in New Orleans :)

No, things like this don't happen when a new regime comes in a year after drafting a QB in the first round of the NFL draft. Tim Tebow was a special case, because none of the evaluators in the Broncos system thought he could play QB at an acceptable level in the NFL.

Him having the worst completion percentage of any QB to start 10 or more games in a season since at least 2002 certainly had something to do with that. His 46.5% completion percentage was more than 2 pts below the next qualifier of the last decade.

The Broncos moved heaven and earth to get rid of Tim Tebow because they recognized that he was a dead end at QB and also that it was going to be hard to get rid of him because he had the Ferris Bueller thing going in overdrive.

[Biggs]

Actually, things like this often happen when new regimes come in. It's normal "house cleaning". The new boss wants "their people" in place.

The Tebow trade really only tells you two things. First, Elway wanted Peyton Manning when he became available, can't fault him for that. Second, that Elway didn't see Tebow as a franchise QB.

IIRC, the top brass in San Diego didn't see Drew Brees as a franchise QB either, which is why they drafted Rivers and later, let Brees walk via FA.

Seem to recall that Brees has been a pretty good QB down in New Orleans :)

It tells you one other thing. The NFL in its entirety a league with a handful of elite QB's, a league that continually over rates QB's by putting insane draft positions on them was only willing to give up a 4th round draft pick for a very young QB.

His value in the NFL was established in an open market after he actually had a body of work in the NFL as a starting QB.

If I recall Brees coming off shoulder surgery was still a pretty hotly pursued commodity. The Saints did sign him to a 6 year 60 million dollar deal.

[Bannon]

If I recall Brees coming off shoulder surgery was still a pretty hotly pursued commodity.

Nope. Only two teams were interested, and the Dolphins passed in favor of Culpepper. Brees himself has said this in interviews -- that it motivated him, all the teams that were not interested.

[cval]

Nope. Only two teams were interested, and the Dolphins passed in favor of Culpepper. Brees himself has said this in interviews -- that it motivated him, all the teams that were not interested.

They were concerned about his shoulder. They did not want another Chad Pennington NO took a big risk that Drew Brees would come back as good as before the injury.

If Drew Brees never got hurt in SD they might have resigned him over rivers.

[Demosthenes9]

They were concerned about his shoulder. They did not want another Chad Pennington NO took a big risk that Drew Brees would come back as good as before the injury.

If Drew Brees never got hurt in SD they might have resigned him over rivers.

If they thought that Brees was their franchise QB, then they wouldn't have been looking to draft Eli Manning with the first pick in the draft. Manning said that he wouldn't sign with SD, so beforehand SD worked out a trade with the Giants. SD took Eli with the #1 pick, then traded him for Rivers (who the Giants took with the #4 pick) and a couple of draft picks.

That was in the 2004 draft. Drew Brees didn't get injured until the last game of 2005.

So, you had a completely healthy Drew Brees starting for the Chargers, yet they used the #1 pick in the draft to go out and get a QB.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

If they thought that Brees was their franchise QB, then they wouldn't have been looking to draft Eli Manning with the first pick in the draft. Manning said that he wouldn't sign with SD, so beforehand SD worked out a trade with the Giants. SD took Eli with the #1 pick, then traded him for Rivers (who the Giants took with the #4 pick) and a couple of draft picks.

That was in the 2004 draft. Drew Brees didn't get injured until the last game of 2005.

So, you had a completely healthy Drew Brees starting for the Chargers, yet they used the #1 pick in the draft to go out and get a QB.

And yet they still kept Brees around and there was no question he was a good QB when they let him go to FA. The question was about his shoulder.

Trying to compare the Brees situation to the Tebow situation is a joke.

[cval]

If they thought that Brees was their franchise QB, then they wouldn't have been looking to draft Eli Manning with the first pick in the draft. Manning said that he wouldn't sign with SD, so beforehand SD worked out a trade with the Giants. SD took Eli with the #1 pick, then traded him for Rivers (who the Giants took with the #4 pick) and a couple of draft picks.

That was in the 2004 draft. Drew Brees didn't get injured until the last game of 2005.

So, you had a completely healthy Drew Brees starting for the Chargers, yet they used the #1 pick in the draft to go out and get a QB.

Did you forget what happened in that time Brees sucked until they drafted Rivers. Rivers was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB coming out of the draft Brees then had two great seasons keeping Rivers on the bench. In year three they had a decision to make trade Rivers or pay Brees. Brees got hurt on the last day of the season making the decision a no brainer.

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[cval]

Sanchez was drafted in 2009 and named the immediate starter. Tebow was drafted a year later, and stashed into the depth chart immediately. Comparing their NFL experience and implying that there isn't a big difference between someone who has 16 starts against someone who has 3 seasons worth of starts is plain ignorant.

EDIT: I should clarify that I'm not saying that I think Tebow is the OMG BEST PLAYER EVER, but I don't see how people think a single OTA with less than a half dozen throws is an indicator of ANYTHING for how either QB will play this season.

It does not matter a lot of great QBs including one Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for a while before becoming a starter. There is no one that would argue including Rodgers that he was a much QB when he became the starter than he was as a rookie.

We have even seen a rookies thrown to the wolves to quickly often fail. With Sanchez's background in college it really is pretty amazing how well he has done his first three years in the league. With that being said the training wheels are off and he needs to take a big step forward this season.

[Biggs]

Nope. Only two teams were interested, and the Dolphins passed in favor of Culpepper. Brees himself has said this in interviews -- that it motivated him, all the teams that were not interested.

60 million 6 years 8 guaranteed coming off of shoulder surgery. Miami was interested they just weren't convinced about his shoulder and the Saints blew them away. Saban made a bad mistake but it was based on dollars and injury not talent.

[displacedfan]

It does not matter a lot of great QBs including one Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for a while before becoming a starter. There is no one that would argue including Rodgers that he was a much QB when he became the starter than he was as a rookie.

We have even seen a rookies thrown to the wolves to quickly often fail. With Sanchez's background in college it really is pretty amazing how well he has done his first three years in the league. With that being said the training wheels are off and he needs to take a big step forward this season.

The thing that forces a lot of people into rushing to judge QBs is because we have seen QBs just step up immediately be on playoff teams.

Big Ben, Flacco, Ryan all came into the league and started and were QB of successful teams. It was actually a surprise these young QBs were coming raw and producing. I still think that what happened is rare and not the norm, but because of the recent success people expect the normal thing is a QB comes in and succeeds when that isn't the case.

Rivers sat, Rodgers sat, Brady sat, Brees sat, Eli sat, Big Ben sat for a game and was forced in due to injuries. I believe the plan was for him to sit also but he ended up starting most of his rookie season.

Basically what I am saying is that I think Ryan's, Flacco's, and Big Ben's rookie seasons and early career as a QB and team has changed the perspective of young QBs when in my opinion what they did is rare, not the norm

[#1 Jets Fan]

I am sure I do but trust me I am not so focused on making sure everyone knows about it 24/7 and further more, no one I hate on the cowboys has 32 TDs and a 9-7 record as a starting QB when he is a punt protector.

so lighten up and look at the bright side of a stellar athlete...This is in Tebow thread. Now if u want to start a Wayne Hunter one then we can talk about him.

[NY Dork]

Him having the worst completion percentage of any QB to start 10 or more games in a season since at least 2002 certainly had something to do with that. His 46.5% completion percentage was more than 2 pts below the next qualifier of the last decade.

The Broncos moved heaven and earth to get rid of Tim Tebow because they recognized that he was a dead end at QB and also that it was going to be hard to get rid of him because he had the Ferris Bueller thing going in overdrive.

Problem with your completion rate rant is the Broncos were in the top three in most drops by WR's in the league last year. That never gets mentioned when looking at Tebow's completion percentage. Manning will soon find out that Decker and Thomas will be messing with his numbers too.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Problem with your completion rate rant is the Broncos were in the top three in most drops by WR's in the league last year. That never gets mentioned when looking at Tebow's completion percentage. Manning will soon find out that Decker and Thomas will be messing with his numbers too.lmfao...u Tebow nuts always have a excuse.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Problem with your completion rate rant is the Broncos were in the top three in most drops by WR's in the league last year. That never gets mentioned when looking at Tebow's completion percentage. Manning will soon find out that Decker and Thomas will be messing with his numbers too.

Sure it does, it gets mentioned by the teboi cult all the time. What you guys ignore is that it's a lot harder to catch an off target, wobbly pass than a spiral that hits a receiver in the hands in stride. Watch how few passes the Broncos receivers drop this year.

[cval]

Until Tebow slims up he will not be a good QB. His bulk prevents him from having a quick release and proper throwing motion. There is a reason QB's are not built like FBs.

[New York Tim Tebows]

Tebow is only a little bulkier than Cam Netwon and Newton does okay. His size lets him play a more diverse game

[ItsTime]

Until Tebow slims up he will not be a good QB. His bulk prevents him from having a quick release and proper throwing motion. There is a reason QB's are not built like FBs.
He already is a good NFL qb and he is just getting started. Just because he is different than anything you have seen before doesn't mean he won't be great

[ItsTime]

lmfao...u Tebow nuts always have a excuse.
No excuses needed, Greatest college football player of all time. First season starting in the NFL takes a pitiful 4-12 team to a division title and a playoff victory over the AFC champions with 300+yds passing including and 80yd td pass for the shortest NFL postseason victory in the history of the league. Now you please give me your petty, hateful excuses...

[sg3]

Enjoyed your prayerful sermon in adoration of your St Timmy


Heres my responsive reading....

Never was an NFL QB

Never will be an NFL.QB

Unfixably bad passing mechanics

Just a brainwashed never ever

JUST LIKE YOU

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[Demosthenes9]

Enjoyed your prayerful sermon in adoration of your St Timmy


Heres my responsive reading....

Never was an NFL QB

Never will be an NFL.QB

Unfixably bad passing mechanics

Just a brainwashed never ever

JUST LIKE YOU

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Hmmm, could have sworn that he replaced Kyle Orton last year as the STARTING QUARTERBACK of the NFL's Denver Broncos. That would make him an NFL Quarterback, genius.

Also note that he's the #2 QB here in NY and will be for the 2012 season, so that covers the "will be a QB" part also.

Got anything else to say smart guy ?

[Jim-Jet]

Hmmm, could have sworn that he replaced Kyle Orton last year as the STARTING QUARTERBACK of the NFL's Denver Broncos. That would make him an NFL Quarterback, genius.

Also note that he's the #2 QB here in NY and will be for the 2012 season, so that covers the "will be a QB" part also.

Got anything else to say smart guy ?

You clearly don't understand that any bubbling fool can come off the bench with no starter reps on a 4-14 team and go 8-5 with a playoff win. You need to come down to the cold reality that it is easy to do that and doesn't show any ability at all.

:)

[metsnjets]

He already is a good NFL qb and he is just getting started. Just because he is different than anything you have seen before doesn't mean he won't be great

He isnt different than anything we have seen before. Running QB's have been around forever. Steve Young is probably the most similar from the past and Scum Newton is Tebow but with a better arm. So spare us the Tebow is differet bullshit. He isn't a "game changer" or even remotely unique.

[metsnjets]

No excuses needed, Greatest college football player of all time. First season starting in the NFL takes a pitiful 4-12 team to a division title and a playoff victory over the AFC champions with 300+yds passing including and 80yd td pass for the shortest NFL postseason victory in the history of the league. Now you please give me your petty, hateful excuses...

Not the greatest college fb player of all time. Not even close. A division title at 8-8 while losing 4 out of his last 5 games and needing help from Oakland and San Diego to not slide out of the division lead. By the way on that pass he only threw it 15 yards the Thomas kid did the rest of the work by breaking tackles and stiff arming his way to the end zone. That play was on Thomas not Tebow any decent High School QB could have completed a whopping 15 yard pass to a wide open WR.

How did your boy do the next week in Foxboro? Oh yeah, one of the single worst QB ratings and performances of all time in the playoffs. Tebow is a great guy that happens to be a mediocre at best QB that will keep getting shots because he is popular.

[JET'S_my_name]

How did your boy do the next week in Foxboro? Oh yeah, one of the single worst QB ratings and performances of all time in the playoffs.

Not an excuse, but fwiw it was reported that Tebow played that game with torn rib cartilage and a bruised lung after getting way-layed by Wilfork in the pocket. He should have come out imo. I watched that game and his ol did him no favors.

Dude has a lot of work to do though.

[Demosthenes9]

Not the greatest college fb player of all time. Not even close. A division title at 8-8 while losing 4 out of his last 5 games and needing help from Oakland and San Diego to not slide out of the division lead. By the way on that pass he only threw it 15 yards the Thomas kid did the rest of the work by breaking tackles and stiff arming his way to the end zone. That play was on Thomas not Tebow any decent High School QB could have completed a whopping 15 yard pass to a wide open WR.

How did your boy do the next week in Foxboro? Oh yeah, one of the single worst QB ratings and performances of all time in the playoffs. Tebow is a great guy that happens to be a mediocre at best QB that will keep getting shots because he is popular.

Most "experts" that you talk to will tell you that he was either THE greatest college football player of all time, or certainly ONE of the greatest.

As to "needing help", so what ? Want to go back through the list of QBs that "needed help" getting their teams to the playoffs in past years ? The simple fact that you can't refute is that Tebow did indeed get Denver into the playoffs for the first time in years.

As for that pass, yeah, I want to see the HS QB who can sit there in that stadium, on the first play of overtime, pause when the receiver flashes open the first time, then throw the ball through the second window and hit his receiver in stride. After you find one who can do that, we can then have him try to hit all the other passes that Tebow hit against the Steelers.


You're beginning to be as much of a joke as Phaytal.

[CowboysFan]

How did your boy do the next week in Foxboro? Oh yeah, one of the single worst QB ratings and performances of all time in the playoffs. Tebow is a great guy that happens to be a mediocre at best QB that will keep getting shots because he is popular.

This will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not know anything about football.

Tebow had a 52 QB rating in the game you mention. One of the worse ever ? child please

Tom Brady had a 49 QB rating in a 2009 playoff loss
Eli Manning had a 40 QB rating in a 2005 playoff loss
Peyton Manning had a 39 in a 2006 playoff loss
Rothlisberger had a 22 QB rating in a superbowl!

The list goes on and on and I used those : "historic" names on purpose.

You hate Tebow, therefore you make shit up. its really that simple.

[CowboysFan]

Most "experts" that you talk to will tell you that he was either THE greatest college football player of all time, or certainly ONE of the greatest.

As to "needing help", so what ? Want to go back through the list of QBs that "needed help" getting their teams to the playoffs in past years ? The simple fact that you can't refute is that Tebow did indeed get Denver into the playoffs for the first time in years.

As for that pass, yeah, I want to see the HS QB who can sit there in that stadium, on the first play of overtime, pause when the receiver flashes open the first time, then throw the ball through the second window and hit his receiver in stride. After you find one who can do that, we can then have him try to hit all the other passes that Tebow hit against the Steelers.


You're beginning to be as much of a joke as Phaytal.

He is a bigger joke because he makes stuff up. Phaytal is simply ALWAYS wrong when he says something about tebow but its based on personal opinion and not making stuff up.

[Demosthenes9]

How did your boy do the next week in Foxboro? Oh yeah, one of the single worst QB ratings and performances of all time in the playoffs. Tebow is a great guy that happens to be a mediocre at best QB that will keep getting shots because he is popular.


Really ? One of the "single worst QB ratings and performances of ALL TIMES in the playoffs" ?

Do you even bother to try and know what you are talking about before you open your freaking mouth ?

Here are the stats from just the last 10 years (2001 - 2011) showing 36 playoff game performances where the QBs had a worse rating than Tebow had against the Pats


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3 Jay Fiedler 30-015 2002-01-13 NFL MIA BAL L 3-20 17 0 Sun 15 28 53.6% 122 0 1 50.0 4.36 2.75
4 Steve McNair 33-333 2007-01-13 NFL BAL IND L 6-15 17 0 Sat 18 29 62.1% 173 0 2 49.9 5.97 2.86
5 Tom Brady 32-160 2010-01-10 NFL NWE BAL L 14-33 17 18 Sun 23 42 54.8% 154 2 3 49.1 3.67 1.40
6 Rich Gannon 37-037 2003-01-26 NFL OAK N TAM L 21-48 19 0 Sun 24 44 54.5% 272 2 5 48.9 6.18 1.98
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11 Tarvaris Jackson 25-258 2009-01-04 NFL MIN PHI L 14-26 17 18 Sun 15 35 42.9% 164 0 1 45.4 4.69 3.40
12 Kordell Stewart 29-103 2002-01-27 NFL PIT NWE L 17-24 18 0 Sun 24 42 57.1% 255 0 3 45.2 6.07 2.86
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15 Eli Manning 28-008 2009-01-11 NFL NYG PHI L 11-23 17 19 Sun 15 29 51.7% 169 0 2 40.7 5.83 2.72
16 Koy Detmer 30-197 2004-01-18 NFL PHI CAR L 3-14 18 0 Sun 7 14 50.0% 88 0 1 40.2 6.29 3.07
17 Todd Collins 39-079 2011-01-23 NFL CHI GNB L 14-21 18 20 Sun 0 4 0.0% 0 0 0 39.6 0.00 0.00
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19 Jake Delhomme 34-000 2009-01-10 NFL CAR ARI L 13-33 17 19 Sat 17 34 50.0% 205 1 5 39.1 6.03 0.00
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23 Ben Roethlisberger 28-327 2011-01-23 NFL PIT NYJ W 24-19 18 20 Sun 10 19 52.6% 133 0 2 35.5 7.00 2.26
24 Eli Manning 25-005 2006-01-08 NFL NYG CAR L 0-23 17 0 Sun 10 18 55.6% 113 0 3 35.0 6.28 -1.22
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26 Jay Cutler 27-269 2011-01-23 NFL CHI GNB L 14-21 18 20 Sun 6 14 42.9% 80 0 1 31.8 5.71 2.50
27 Jim Miller 30-344 2002-01-19 NFL CHI PHI L 19-33 17 0 Sat 3 5 60.0% 23 0 1 31.7 4.60 -4.40
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32 Ben Roethlisberger 23-340 2006-02-05 NFL PIT N SEA W 21-10 20 0 Sun 9 21 42.9% 123 0 2 22.6 5.86 1.57
33 Matt Cassel 28-237 2011-01-09 NFL KAN BAL L 7-30 17 18 Sun 9 18 50.0% 70 0 3 20.4 3.89 -3.61
34 Donovan McNabb 27-054 2004-01-18 NFL PHI CAR L 3-14 18 0 Sun 10 22 45.5% 100 0 3 19.3 4.55 -1.59
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36 Shane Matthews 31-232 2002-01-19 NFL CHI PHI L 19-33 17 0 Sat 8 17 47.1% 66 0 2 17.9 3.88 -1.41
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As I said, that's just the past 10 years. But, since you specified "of all time", let's go ahead and dial the clock back a bit and look at more years.




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2 Fran Tarkenton* 36-341 1977-01-09 NFL MIN N OAK L 14-32 17 0 Sun 17 35 48.6% 205 1 2 52.7 5.86 3.86
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4 Joe Kapp 31-298 1970-01-11 NFL MIN N KAN L 7-23 19 0 Sun 16 25 64.0% 183 0 2 52.6 7.32 3.72
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6 Steve McNair 27-328 2001-01-07 NFL TEN BAL L 10-24 17 0 Sun 24 46 52.2% 176 0 1 52.4 3.83 2.85
7 Mark Rypien 29-094 1992-01-04 NFL WAS ATL W 24-7 17 0 Sat 14 29 48.3% 170 0 1 52.4 5.86 4.31
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11 Ken Stabler 29-004 1974-12-29 NFL OAK PIT L 13-24 16 0 Sun 19 36 52.8% 271 1 3 52.0 7.53 4.33
12 John Elway* 37-211 1998-01-25 NFL DEN N GNB W 31-24 20 0 Sun 12 22 54.5% 123 0 1 51.9 5.59 3.55
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14 Bob Griese* 26-347 1972-01-16 NFL MIA N DAL L 3-24 17 0 Sun 12 23 52.2% 134 0 1 51.7 5.83 3.87
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17 Neil O'Donnell 29-209 1996-01-28 NFL PIT N DAL L 17-27 19 0 Sun 28 49 57.1% 239 1 3 51.3 4.88 2.53
18 Steve Young* 34-087 1996-01-06 NFL SFO GNB L 17-27 17 0 Sat 32 65 49.2% 328 0 2 51.3 5.05 3.66
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21 Dan Pastorini 30-211 1979-12-23 NFL HOU DEN W 13-7 17 0 Sun 8 18 44.4% 149 0 1 50.5 8.28 5.78
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25 Jay Fiedler 30-015 2002-01-13 NFL MIA BAL L 3-20 17 0 Sun 15 28 53.6% 122 0 1 50.0 4.36 2.75
26 David Woodley 24-097 1983-01-30 NFL MIA N WAS L 17-27 13 0 Sun 4 14 28.6% 97 1 1 50.0 6.93 5.14
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28 Steve McNair 33-333 2007-01-13 NFL BAL IND L 6-15 17 0 Sat 18 29 62.1% 173 0 2 49.9 5.97 2.86
29 Brad Johnson 31-117 2000-01-08 NFL WAS DET W 27-13 17 0 Sat 15 31 48.4% 174 1 2 49.7 5.61 3.35
30 Ron Jaworski 29-308 1981-01-25 NFL PHI N OAK L 10-27 19 0 Sun 18 38 47.4% 291 1 3 49.3 7.66 4.63
31 Tom Brady 32-160 2010-01-10 NFL NWE BAL L 14-33 17 18 Sun 23 42 54.8% 154 2 3 49.1 3.67 1.40
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33 Mike Tomczak 34-067 1996-12-29 NFL PIT IND W 42-14 17 0 Sun 13 21 61.9% 176 0 2 49.0 8.38 4.10
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35 Rich Gannon 37-037 2003-01-26 NFL OAK N TAM L 21-48 19 0 Sun 24 44 54.5% 272 2 5 48.9 6.18 1.98
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38 Gary Cuozzo 30-243 1971-12-25 NFL MIN DAL L 12-20 15 0 Sat 12 22 54.5% 124 1 2 48.3 5.64 2.45
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41 Norris Weese 26-156 1978-01-15 NFL DEN N DAL L 10-27 17 0 Sun 4 10 40.0% 22 0 0 47.9 2.20 2.20
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43 Stan Humphries 30-261 1995-12-31 NFL SDG IND L 20-35 17 0 Sun 23 47 48.9% 292 2 4 47.5 6.21 3.23
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47 Chris Chandler 33-111 1999-01-31 NFL ATL N DEN L 19-34 19 0 Sun 19 35 54.3% 219 1 3 47.2 6.26 2.97
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50 Ron Jaworski 29-286 1981-01-03 NFL PHI MIN W 31-16 17 0 Sat 17 38 44.7% 190 1 2 47.0 5.00 3.16


51 Terry Bradshaw* 27-116 1975-12-27 NFL PIT BAL W 28-10 15 0 Sat 8 13 61.5% 103 0 2 46.8 7.92 1.00
52 Jon Kitna 27-110 2000-01-09 NFL SEA MIA L 17-20 17 0 Sun 14 30 46.7% 162 1 2 46.8 5.40 3.07
53 Drew Bledsoe 24-347 1997-01-26 NFL NWE N GNB L 21-35 19 0 Sun 25 48 52.1% 253 2 4 46.6 5.27 2.35
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55 Fran Tarkenton* 35-328 1975-12-28 NFL MIN DAL L 14-17 15 0 Sun 12 26 46.2% 135 0 1 46.2 5.19 3.46
56 Boomer Esiason 27-280 1989-01-22 NFL CIN N SFO L 16-20 19 0 Sun 11 25 44.0% 144 0 1 46.1 5.76 3.96
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58 Fran Tarkenton* 36-327 1976-12-26 NFL MIN RAM W 24-13 16 0 Sun 12 27 44.4% 143 0 1 45.8 5.30 3.63
59 Tarvaris Jackson 25-258 2009-01-04 NFL MIN PHI L 14-26 17 18 Sun 15 35 42.9% 164 0 1 45.4 4.69 3.40
60 Jim McMahon 28-142 1988-01-10 NFL CHI WAS L 17-21 16 0 Sun 15 29 51.7% 197 1 3 45.4 6.79 2.83
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62 Jim McMahon 29-140 1989-01-08 NFL CHI SFO L 3-28 18 0 Sun 14 29 48.3% 121 0 1 45.3 4.17 2.62
63 Joe Theismann 34-135 1984-01-22 NFL WAS N RAI L 9-38 19 0 Sun 16 35 45.7% 243 0 2 45.3 6.94 4.37
64 Kordell Stewart 29-103 2002-01-27 NFL PIT NWE L 17-24 18 0 Sun 24 42 57.1% 255 0 3 45.2 6.07 2.86
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67 Jim Kelly* 31-346 1992-01-26 NFL BUF N WAS L 24-37 19 0 Sun 28 58 48.3% 275 2 4 44.8 4.74 2.33
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69 Boomer Esiason 27-266 1989-01-08 NFL CIN BUF W 21-10 18 0 Sun 11 20 55.0% 94 1 2 44.6 4.70 1.20
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71 Jay Fiedler 29-001 2000-12-30 NFL MIA IND W 23-17 17 0 Sat 19 34 55.9% 185 1 3 44.4 5.44 2.06
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73 Kordell Stewart 25-079 1998-01-03 NFL PIT NWE W 7-6 17 0 Sat 14 31 45.2% 134 0 1 44.3 4.32 2.87
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78 Steve McNair 26-328 2000-01-08 NFL TEN BUF W 22-16 17 0 Sat 13 24 54.2% 76 0 1 43.1 3.17 1.29
79 Frank Ryan 32-170 1968-12-29 NFL CLE BAL L 0-34 18 0 Sun 2 6 33.3% 19 0 0 43.1 3.17 3.17
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81 Bert Jones 25-103 1976-12-19 NFL BAL PIT L 14-40 15 0 Sun 11 25 44.0% 144 1 2 42.7 5.76 2.96
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83 Joe Montana* 31-212 1988-01-09 NFL SFO MIN L 24-36 16 0 Sat 12 26 46.2% 109 0 1 42.0 4.19 2.46
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85 Johnny Unitas* 35-250 1969-01-12 NFL BAL N NYJ L 7-16 19 0 Sun 11 24 45.8% 110 0 1 42.0 4.58 2.71
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87 Kordell Stewart 25-087 1998-01-11 NFL PIT DEN L 21-24 18 0 Sun 18 36 50.0% 201 1 3 41.6 5.58 2.39
88 Pete Beathard 24-314 1967-01-15 AFL KAN N GNB L 10-35 16 0 Sun 1 5 20.0% 17 0 0 41.2 3.40 3.40
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90 Eli Manning 28-008 2009-01-11 NFL NYG PHI L 11-23 17 19 Sun 15 29 51.7% 169 0 2 40.7 5.83 2.72
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93 Mike Rae 28-164 1980-01-06 NFL TAM RAM L 0-9 18 0 Sun 2 13 15.4% 42 0 0 40.5 3.23 3.23
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95 Koy Detmer 30-197 2004-01-18 NFL PHI CAR L 3-14 18 0 Sun 7 14 50.0% 88 0 1 40.2 6.29 3.07
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97 Neil O'Donnell 26-190 1993-01-09 NFL PIT BUF L 3-24 17 0 Sat 15 29 51.7% 163 0 2 39.9 5.62 2.52
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99 Todd Collins 25-053 1996-12-28 NFL BUF JAX L 27-30 17 0 Sat 1 4 25.0% 7 0 0 39.6 1.75 1.75

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100 Todd Collins 39-079 2011-01-23 NFL CHI GNB L 14-21 18 20 Sun 0 4 0.0% 0 0 0 39.6 0.00 0.00

101 Tony Eason 26-110 1986-01-26 NFL NWE N CHI L 10-46 20 0 Sun 0 6 0.0% 0 0 0 39.6 0.00 0.00
102 Steve Fuller 29-021 1986-01-26 NFL CHI N NWE W 46-10 19 0 Sun 0 4 0.0% 0 0 0 39.6 0.00 0.00
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107 Erik Wilhelm 25-048 1991-01-06 NFL CIN HOU W 41-14 17 0 Sun 1 5 20.0% 12 0 0 39.6 2.40 2.40
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109 Jake Delhomme 34-000 2009-01-10 NFL CAR ARI L 13-33 17 19 Sat 17 34 50.0% 205 1 5 39.1 6.03 0.00
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111 John Brodie 37-131 1972-12-23 NFL SFO DAL L 28-30 15 0 Sat 12 22 54.5% 150 0 2 38.1 6.82 2.73



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113 Bobby Hebert 27-137 1988-01-03 NFL NOR MIN L 10-44 16 0 Sun 9 19 47.4% 84 1 2 37.9 4.42 0.74
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115 Troy Aikman* 32-042 1999-01-02 NFL DAL ARI L 7-20 17 0 Sat 22 49 44.9% 191 1 3 37.0 3.90 1.55
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117 John Elway* 27-217 1988-01-31 NFL DEN N WAS L 10-42 18 0 Sun 14 38 36.8% 257 1 3 36.8 6.76 3.74
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120 Dan Fouts* 28-202 1979-12-29 NFL SDG HOU L 14-17 17 0 Sat 25 47 53.2% 333 0 5 36.3 7.09 2.30
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124 Ben Roethlisberger 28-327 2011-01-23 NFL PIT NYJ W 24-19 18 20 Sun 10 19 52.6% 133 0 2 35.5 7.00 2.26
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128 Eli Manning 25-005 2006-01-08 NFL NYG CAR L 0-23 17 0 Sun 10 18 55.6% 113 0 3 35.0 6.28 -1.22
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133 Craig Morton 27-346 1971-01-17 NFL DAL N BAL L 13-16 17 0 Sun 12 26 46.2% 127 1 3 34.1 4.88 0.46
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135 Gary Cuozzo 29-245 1970-12-27 NFL MIN SFO L 14-17 15 0 Sun 9 27 33.3% 146 1 2 33.9 5.41 2.81
136 Bob Griese* 33-324 1978-12-24 NFL MIA HOU L 9-17 17 0 Sun 11 28 39.3% 114 1 2 33.9 4.07 1.57
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139 Ron Jaworski 24-287 1976-01-04 NFL RAM DAL L 7-37 16 0 Sun 11 22 50.0% 147 0 2 33.7 6.68 2.59
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142 Doug Flutie 24-072 1987-01-03 NFL CHI WAS L 13-27 17 0 Sat 11 31 35.5% 134 1 2 33.5 4.32 2.06
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145 Steve Bono 33-241 1996-01-07 NFL KAN IND L 7-10 17 0 Sun 11 25 44.0% 122 1 3 32.8 4.88 0.28
146 Vince Ferragamo 24-258 1979-01-07 NFL RAM DAL L 0-28 18 0 Sun 7 16 43.8% 130 0 2 32.8 8.13 2.50
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149 Bobby Hoying 28-116 2001-01-14 NFL OAK BAL L 3-16 18 0 Sun 8 16 50.0% 107 0 2 32.0 6.69 1.06
150 Jay Cutler 27-269 2011-01-23 NFL CHI GNB L 14-21 18 20 Sun 6 14 42.9% 80 0 1 31.8 5.71 2.50

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151 Jim Miller 30-344 2002-01-19 NFL CHI PHI L 19-33 17 0 Sat 3 5 60.0% 23 0 1 31.7 4.60 -4.40
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153 Jim Kelly* 31-332 1992-01-12 NFL BUF DEN W 10-7 18 0 Sun 13 25 52.0% 117 0 2 31.6 4.68 1.08
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162 Marc Wilson 28-324 1986-01-05 NFL RAI NWE L 20-27 17 0 Sun 11 27 40.7% 135 1 3 29.6 5.00 0.74
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170 Bob Griese* 28-330 1973-12-30 NFL MIA OAK W 27-10 16 0 Sun 3 6 50.0% 34 0 1 27.8 5.67 -1.83
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174 Pat Haden 24-337 1977-12-26 NFL RAM MIN L 7-14 15 0 Mon 14 32 43.8% 130 1 3 26.8 4.06 0.47
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176 Bill Nelsen 27-335 1968-12-29 NFL CLE BAL L 0-34 18 0 Sun 11 26 42.3% 132 0 2 26.4 5.08 1.62
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180 James Harris 27-155 1974-12-22 NFL RAM WAS W 19-10 15 0 Sun 8 24 33.3% 95 1 2 25.5 3.96 1.04
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181 Gale Gilbert 33-040 1995-01-29 NFL SDG N SFO L 26-49 19 0 Sun 3 6 50.0% 30 0 1 25.0 5.00 -2.50
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186 Ben Roethlisberger 23-340 2006-02-05 NFL PIT N SEA W 21-10 20 0 Sun 9 21 42.9% 123 0 2 22.6 5.86 1.57
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188 Rich Gannon 35-025 2001-01-14 NFL OAK BAL L 3-16 18 0 Sun 11 21 52.4% 80 0 2 22.0 3.81 -0.48
189 Bob Lee 26-140 1971-12-25 NFL MIN DAL L 12-20 15 0 Sat 7 16 43.8% 86 0 2 21.4 5.38 -0.25
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191 Dieter Brock 34-326 1986-01-04 NFL RAM DAL W 20-0 17 0 Sat 6 22 27.3% 50 0 1 20.6 2.27 0.23
192 Matt Cassel 28-237 2011-01-09 NFL KAN BAL L 7-30 17 18 Sun 9 18 50.0% 70 0 3 20.4 3.89 -3.61
193 Daryle Lamonica 28-171 1970-01-04 AFL OAK KAN L 7-17 18 0 Sun 15 39 38.5% 167 0 3 19.9 4.28 0.82
194 Roger Staubach* 31-328 1973-12-30 NFL DAL MIN L 10-27 16 0 Sun 10 21 47.6% 89 0 4 19.8 4.24 -4.33
195 Billy Kilmer 33-131 1973-01-14 NFL WAS N MIA L 7-14 17 0 Sun 14 28 50.0% 104 0 3 19.6 3.71 -1.11
196 John Elway* 29-214 1990-01-28 NFL DEN N SFO L 10-55 19 0 Sun 10 26 38.5% 108 0 2 19.4 4.15 0.69
197 Donovan McNabb 27-054 2004-01-18 NFL PHI CAR L 3-14 18 0 Sun 10 22 45.5% 100 0 3 19.3 4.55 -1.59
198 Roger Staubach* 34-318 1976-12-19 NFL DAL RAM L 12-14 15 0 Sun 15 37 40.5% 150 0 3 19.0 4.05 0.41
199 Bill Nelsen 30-331 1971-12-26 NFL CLE BAL L 3-20 15 0 Sun 9 21 42.9% 104 0 3 18.8 4.95 -1.48
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202 Shane Matthews 31-232 2002-01-19 NFL CHI PHI L 19-33 17 0 Sat 8 17 47.1% 66 0 2 17.9 3.88 -1.41
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204 Joe Namath* 26-203 1969-12-20 AFL NYJ KAN L 6-13 17 0 Sat 14 40 35.0% 164 0 3 17.1 4.10 0.73
205 Brian Sipe 31-149 1981-01-04 NFL CLE OAK L 12-14 17 0 Sun 13 40 32.5% 183 0 3 17.0 4.58 1.20
206 Gifford Nielsen 25-059 1979-12-23 NFL HOU DEN W 13-7 17 0 Sun 2 4 50.0% 9 0 1 16.7 2.25 -9.00
207 Craig Morton 27-324 1970-12-26 NFL DAL DET W 5-0 15 0 Sat 4 18 22.2% 38 0 1 16.4 2.11 -0.39
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210 David Woodley 24-090 1983-01-23 NFL MIA NYJ W 14-0 12 0 Sun 9 21 42.9% 87 0 3 15.5 4.14 -2.29
211 George Blanda* 42-095 1969-12-21 AFL OAK HOU W 56-7 17 0 Sun 1 5 20.0% 33 0 2 15.0 6.60 -11.40
212 Fran Tarkenton* 34-343 1975-01-12 NFL MIN N PIT L 6-16 17 0 Sun 11 26 42.3% 102 0 3 14.1 3.92 -1.27
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218 Craig Morton 26-326 1969-12-28 NFL DAL CLE L 14-38 17 0 Sun 8 24 33.3% 92 0 2 11.1 3.83 0.08
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let's see, since Tebow is tied with 2 others at 52.7, and Sean Salisbury is #235, that would be 232 times that QBs had worse playoff performances that Tebow.

[CowboysFan]

Demosthenes9 LOL! nothing like facts to shut someone up...now he will respond" you guys are crazy for thinking Tebow is great!' when none of us have said that...so predictable.

Now he will change the argument to something we never said.

[Demosthenes9]

Demosthenes9 LOL! nothing like facts to shut someone up...now he will respond" you guys are crazy for thinking Tebow is great!' when none of us have said that...so predictable.

Now he will change the argument to something we never said.


Thanks. And yeah, I'm kind of wondering how he is going to come back and spin this one :)

[Jim-Jet]

Thanks. And yeah, I'm kind of wondering how he is going to come back and spin this one :)

You Tebois are always using facts to hide how bad he really is! Oye!

:)

[metsnjets]

Thanks. And yeah, I'm kind of wondering how he is going to come back and spin this one :)

It's called HYPERBOLE you morons. I didn't think (nor did I care to look it up) that a 52 was the worst QB rating of all time. I just say that shit to get you retards going. Seriously, its so easy. I knew that one of you Tebow guys would pipe up sooner or later... i have 3 or so more weeks to kill before football starts.

[metsnjets]

Demosthenes9 LOL! nothing like facts to shut someone up...now he will respond" you guys are crazy for thinking Tebow is great!' when none of us have said that...so predictable.

Now he will change the argument to something we never said.

Can't shut me up. I will bang on the Tebow sucks drum forever and its not even because of Tebow, it's because of douche bags like you and D9 that I do this stuff..it makes my day!!! Tebow doesn't know either one of you dickwads exist... yet you think he needs your help defending his honor?

Although Tebow does suck at the QB position, I think he has room for improvement. You guys however are just loser, psychophants with a Tebow jones.

[metsnjets]

You Tebois are always using facts to hide how bad he really is! Oye!

:)

So other people had worse days and this makes Tebow's performance ok?

Got it.

[CowboysFan]

So other people had worse days and this makes Tebow's performance ok?

Got it.

no what we are saying is that you make stuff up because you hate tebow.

[CowboysFan]

Can't shut me up. I will bang on the Tebow sucks drum forever and its not even because of Tebow, it's because of douche bags like you and D9 that I do this stuff..it makes my day!!! Tebow doesn't know either one of you dickwads exist... yet you think he needs your help defending his honor?

Although Tebow does suck at the QB position, I think he has room for improvement. You guys however are just loser, psychophants with a Tebow jones.

wrong again, maybe you really are worse than Phaytal. I am a sanchez supporter, here are my previous post, so why do you call me a douchebag?

because I expose your lies? there is not one person here that says tebow is a great qb...not one. Its all made up in your head.


I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up Tebow starting over Sanchez as a potential issue . Tebow IS NOT gong to start over Sanchez , even if Sanchez plays bad.

.




I see Sanchez rising to the occasion ,






Tebow was brought in to push Sanchez , not to take his job because he is not as good a passer , but to push Sanchez into realizing how good he can be, .



I have more faith in Sanchez than some of you. I have seen most of the jets games Sanchez has played in and I do not believe Sanchez to be the delicate wall flower some of you are trying to protect.

Sanchez THRIVES under pressure having played his best football under the intense lights of the post season.

If he feels pressure now GREAT , he will respond just like he did in post season.






Sanchez will play lights out this year because he has played his best under the intense lights of the post season. He will be the starter. I am a fan of sanchez and actually seem to have more faith in him than many long time board members here.

[cval]

Metsjets,

This is the way all Gator fans are try living Gator country like I do. When you have to defend someone that hard they are really not that good. They were pretty bad with the last great Gator Qb Danny Wuerffel also.

They have to defend Tebow the way they do because just by watching him you know he he is not and NFL QB so they have to manipulate stats to try to prove what your eyes saw where wrong. The coach was really bad (John Fox one the most respected coaches in the NFL yeah he sucks)

The fact is Tebow best stat is nine wins and nice winning streak. Listening to his fans he is the only QB ever to lead team from that far back.

Running Qbs do not last in the NFL unless they learn how to throw from the pocket. Name one HOF running QB that could not throw from the pocket. I will make it there is not any.

If Sanchez sucks this year Tebow will not be the savior it will mean startung over yet again for the Jets.

[RobertPooner]

Metsjets,

This is the way all Gator fans are try living Gator country like I do. When you have to defend someone that hard they are really not that good. They were pretty bad with the last great Gator Qb Danny Wuerffel also.

They have to defend Tebow the way they do because just by watching him you know he he is not and NFL QB so they have to manipulate stats to try to prove what your eyes saw where wrong. The coach was really bad (John Fox one the most respected coaches in the NFL yeah he sucks)

The fact is Tebow best stat is nine wins and nice winning streak. Listening to his fans he is the only QB ever to lead team from that far back.

Running Qbs do not last in the NFL unless they learn how to throw from the pocket. Name one HOF running QB that could not throw from the pocket. I will make it there is not any.

If Sanchez sucks this year Tebow will not be the savior it will mean startung over yet again for the Jets.


The point is your eyes relay wrong information to your malfunctioning brain. And John Fox is a career .500 coach.

[metsnjets]

wrong again, maybe you really are worse than Phaytal. I am a sanchez supporter, here are my previous post, so why do you call me a douchebag?

because I expose your lies? there is not one person here that says tebow is a great qb...not one. Its all made up in your head.

Says the Tebow fan with a Cowboys logo as his sig. I take being worse than Phaytal as a compliment. I would love nothing more than to run every single tebow fan off this site for good. You guys (and gals) follow one guy and puke up so much inane asanine drivel that you actually RUIN boards.

The Bronco Board couldn't wait to be rid of you lot and to top that off the Gang Green board ASKED them how to deal with you morons.

So they started a Tebow only section to corral you idiots in to one spot.

I like coming here to look at the "tards" and poke them with pointy sticks.

[RobertPooner]

Says the Tebow fan with a Cowboys logo as his sig. I take being worse than Phaytal as a compliment. I would love nothing more than to run every single tebow fan off this site for good. You guys (and gals) follow one guy and puke up so much inane asanine drivel that you actually RUIN boards.

The Bronco Board couldn't wait to be rid of you lot and to top that off the Gang Green board ASKED them how to deal with you morons.

So they started a Tebow only section to corral you idiots in to one spot.

I like coming here to look at the "tards" and poke them with pointy sticks.

We will be the ones slapping nuts to your face in the end. Just like we will to the idiots on the Denver boards when their crappy team crashes and burns this year.

[Demosthenes9]

Metsjets,

This is the way all Gator fans are try living Gator country like I do. When you have to defend someone that hard they are really not that good. They were pretty bad with the last great Gator Qb Danny Wuerffel also.

They have to defend Tebow the way they do because just by watching him you know he he is not and NFL QB so they have to manipulate stats to try to prove what your eyes saw where wrong. The coach was really bad (John Fox one the most respected coaches in the NFL yeah he sucks)

The fact is Tebow best stat is nine wins and nice winning streak. Listening to his fans he is the only QB ever to lead team from that far back.

Running Qbs do not last in the NFL unless they learn how to throw from the pocket. Name one HOF running QB that could not throw from the pocket. I will make it there is not any.

If Sanchez sucks this year Tebow will not be the savior it will mean startung over yet again for the Jets.


Tell me Genius, what stats have I manipulated ??

And John Fox DOES suck. Go check his w/l record.

As for the rest of your bullshit post, you are simply making shit up. No one has ever said that Tebow is the only QB ever to lead a team from that far back, or anything close to it.

Open your damned eyes and see what we are saying, AS WELL AS what we are responding to.

[Demosthenes9]

Says the Tebow fan with a Cowboys logo as his sig. I take being worse than Phaytal as a compliment. I would love nothing more than to run every single tebow fan off this site for good. You guys (and gals) follow one guy and puke up so much inane asanine drivel that you actually RUIN boards.

The Bronco Board couldn't wait to be rid of you lot and to top that off the Gang Green board ASKED them how to deal with you morons.

So they started a Tebow only section to corral you idiots in to one spot.

I like coming here to look at the "tards" and poke them with pointy sticks.



And it's ridiculously funny that the only way you can poke with a pointy stick is to ignorantly lie about shit and make shit up.

That's absolutely hilarious. Sad thing for you is that you are too stupid to understand just how stupid you are. Think about that one for a bit.

[Bannon]

I would love nothing more than to run every single tebow fan off this site for good. You guys (and gals) follow one guy and puke up so much inane asanine drivel that you actually RUIN boards. .

I know it's rough, and it may be a big stress on you, but it's pretty mild by internet standards. Hang in there, it will be all right.

[hutch2426]

Been a broncos fan for a while and figured I would see how things are going with the new member of you gents team. Got to say it is pretty laughable. Some of you Jet's fans are pretty funny. You poke fun at people for liking this guy which I do not, but you base nothing on fact just hate. The hating end of the spectrum here acts like true troglodytes. Love it.

[SDI_Gator]

Been a broncos fan for a while and figured I would see how things are going with the new member of you gents team. Got to say it is pretty laughable. Some of you Jet's fans are pretty funny. You poke fun at people for liking this guy which I do not, but you base nothing on fact just hate. The hating end of the spectrum here acts like true troglodytes. Love it.

It's funny you mention that. They just don't see it that way, WE are the blind fanatics (there are some who just say ridiculous shit) and that they are the ones with all the facts on their side.

Glad to see a non-phaytal bronco over here.

[Backup QB]

Can't shut me up. I will bang on the Tebow sucks drum forever and its not even because of Tebow, it's because of douche bags like you and D9 that I do this stuff..it makes my day!!! Tebow doesn't know either one of you dickwads exist... yet you think he needs your help defending his honor?

Although Tebow does suck at the QB position, I think he has room for improvement. You guys however are just loser, psychophants with a Tebow jones.
I know you are but what am I?

That's how ridiculous you sound. Tebow supporters just laugh, because as much as you hate it and despise it... he will be your starting QB this year. lol.

And, he'll win.

[CowboysFan]

Says the Tebow fan with a Cowboys logo as his sig. I take being worse than Phaytal as a compliment. I would love nothing more than to run every single tebow fan off this site for good. You guys (and gals) follow one guy and puke up so much inane asanine drivel that you actually RUIN boards.

The Bronco Board couldn't wait to be rid of you lot and to top that off the Gang Green board ASKED them how to deal with you morons.

So they started a Tebow only section to corral you idiots in to one spot.

I like coming here to look at the "tards" and poke them with pointy sticks.



I said Tebow is not a great QB ( although i am a fan of his ) and Sanchez should start because hes a better QB and you keep up the drivel, your either are really stupid or really drunk.

[Jim-Jet]

So other people had worse days and this makes Tebow's performance ok?

Got it.

Once again - your shotgun mouth has over loaded your BB gun brain. No one said his performance was good in that game or even acceptable. It was pretty bad. But someone said (oh that's right it was you) that is was the worst of all time which factually isn't even in the ballpark. You can hate all you want - nobody cares - but the reason this thread even continues it to point out all the fabrications people make up to dump of the kid.

[metsnjets]

We will be the ones slapping nuts to your face in the end. Just like we will to the idiots on the Denver boards when their crappy team crashes and burns this year.

I bet you would like that. When Tebow is out of the league in a couple of years after never having panned out..turds like you will sit around talking about how he never got a fair shake and how nobody believed in him or ran the right offense, they never understood how great he was..blah blah blah blah blah.

[metsnjets]

And it's ridiculously funny that the only way you can poke with a pointy stick is to ignorantly lie about shit and make shit up.

That's absolutely hilarious. Sad thing for you is that you are too stupid to understand just how stupid you are. Think about that one for a bit.

I'll think about that while I look at my BA from Duke and my MBA from Columbia, while I run my very profitable advertising agency. I make shit up only because I find it makes fuckwads like you angry. I don't care whether its a lie or not, in fact its better if its a lie because then your dumb ass gets angry and you post fun stuff like, you're so stupid...what are you 7?

You and your ilk are nothing but overly religious troglodytic sister humping half-wits destined for trailer parks, gubment cheese and a 300 lb wife with 4 ugly inbred retarded kids to continue the fine white trash tradition your gran pappy started all those years ago.

[hutch2426]

You stare at your recognitions? I am sure everyone is very impressed with you little fella. I feel smarter now that I read that, but then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

The only question I have is you stated that you do lie, while also saying you run a very profitable connection. You see where I am going with this? Yeah, you do..........

[metsnjets]

I know you are but what am I?

That's how ridiculous you sound. Tebow supporters just laugh, because as much as you hate it and despise it... he will be your starting QB this year. lol.

And, he'll win.

Lets bet on that. You leave for good and on the way out apologize for ruining the board with your fanatical worshiping of a second rate QB and never come back.

I will leave and never post again as well.

Caveat: Tebow has to earn the spot it can't be because Sanchez gets hurt.

[metsnjets]

You stare at your recognitions? I am sure everyone is very impressed with you little fella. I feel smarter now that I read that, but then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

The only question I have is you stated that you do lie, while also saying you run a very profitable connection. You see where I am going with this? Yeah, you do..........

Well when you have actually achieved something in your life you will probably do the same thing.

[Bannon]

I'll think about that while I look at my BA from Duke and my MBA from Columbia, while I run my very profitable advertising agency. I make shit up only because I find it makes fuckwads like you angry. I don't care whether its a lie or not, in fact its better if its a lie because then your dumb ass gets angry and you post fun stuff like, you're so stupid...what are you 7?

You and your ilk are nothing but overly religious troglodytic sister humping half-wits destined for trailer parks, gubment cheese and a 300 lb wife with 4 ugly inbred retarded kids to continue the fine white trash tradition your gran pappy started all those years ago.

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[hutch2426]

Aww, you want to compare our sizes now? Hit me with a PM and we will, I do not need to throw what I do out in the open. I also do not need other's approval like you do. Now you settle down and go sit in the corner till I say otherwise young man.

[Demosthenes9]

I'll think about that while I look at my BA from Duke and my MBA from Columbia, while I run my very profitable advertising agency. I make shit up only because I find it makes fuckwads like you angry. I don't care whether its a lie or not, in fact its better if its a lie because then your dumb ass gets angry and you post fun stuff like, you're so stupid...what are you 7?

You and your ilk are nothing but overly religious troglodytic sister humping half-wits destined for trailer parks, gubment cheese and a 300 lb wife with 4 ugly inbred retarded kids to continue the fine white trash tradition your gran pappy started all those years ago.



Bwahahahah, Duke and Columbia ? Dude, the only way you ever went to either of those campuses was on a visitor's pass as you are too stupid to have ever been accepted, let alone to have graduated.

[CowboysFan]

I'll think about that while I look at my BA from Duke and my MBA from Columbia, while I run my very profitable advertising agency. I make shit up only because I find it makes fuckwads like you angry. I don't care whether its a lie or not, in fact its better if its a lie because then your dumb ass gets angry and you post fun stuff like, you're so stupid...what are you 7?

You and your ilk are nothing but overly religious troglodytic sister humping half-wits destined for trailer parks, gubment cheese and a 300 lb wife with 4 ugly inbred retarded kids to continue the fine white trash tradition your gran pappy started all those years ago.

It's so awesome exposing clowns on the internet , clowns that have no debate skills and zero facts when making counter arguments . You got it all wrong your the one we are all laughing at .

[metsnjets]

Bwahahahah, Duke and Columbia ? Dude, the only way you ever went to either of those campuses was on a visitor's pass as you are too stupid to have ever been accepted, let alone to have graduated.

Believe what you like mate... believe what you like. Just because you didn't either go to a decent school or attend beyond High School doesn't mean others didn't work their butts off to achieve something. I have a degree from the Sanford Public Policy institute at Duke (it's now called the Sanford Public Policy School they changed it since I graduated in 91') and then I worked for a few years at mid-size agency out of Chicago, applied to and got in to the MBA program at the Columbia Business School in NYC in 95' and graduated in 98'.

Life is good here.

[metsnjets]

It's so awesome exposing clowns on the internet , clowns that have no debate skills and zero facts when making counter arguments . You got it all wrong your the one we are all laughing at .

I couldn't care less what you think of me. You still keep fighting though don't you. :lol:

[Demosthenes9]

Believe what you like mate... believe what you like. Just because you didn't either go to a decent school or attend beyond High School doesn't mean others didn't work their butts off to achieve something. I have a degree from the Sanford Public Policy institute at Duke (it's now called the Sanford Public Policy School they changed it since I graduated in 91') and then I worked for a few years at mid-size agency out of Chicago, applied to and got in to the MBA program at the Columbia Business School in NYC in 95' and graduated in 98'.

Life is good here.


Bwahahhahhaha, whatever works in your little fantasy world sunshine. I stand by what I said.

[hutch2426]

I hope your customers do not find out how you talk like a warrior and potty mouth on the interwebs. You need to wash your mouth out with soap, young man.

[metsnjets]

I hope your customers do not find out how you talk like a warrior and potty mouth on the interwebs. You need to wash your mouth out with soap, young man.

Son? im 43. As far as my mouth goes my clients are quite aware of it. I don't change who I am for anyone or anything. You don't like me? I don't care. You don't want my company as your agency of record, I don't care. There are plenty of great businesses that do and I have enough friends.

As far as a the warrior ref. I haven't threatened or acted like an internet tough. I called the Tebow fans some childish names but there isn't any threat of physical violence behind them.

[metsnjets]

Bwahahhahhaha, whatever works in your little fantasy world sunshine. I stand by what I said.

I stand by what I said and a register at Burger King asking if you would like some fries to go with that Whopper.

I finished your thought for you.

[Demosthenes9]

I stand by what I said and a register at Burger King asking if you would like some fries to go with that Whopper.

I finished your thought for you.


Oh, YOU stand at a register at Burger King asking people if they'd like some fries to go with the Whopper ? Good to know that your campus visits to Duke and Columbia prepared you for such a fulfilling career.

Bwahahahahahha, run along now sunshine and leave the real discussions to the adults.

[hutch2426]

Well your not old enough to be my pops, so glad we cleared that up. As for the tough guy, you do not have to threaten to be a warrior. You try and slap your paper in people's computer face, I would say that is internet tough. Like I said, hit my PM we can discuss this further, dad.

[metsnjets]

Well your not old enough to be my pops, so glad we cleared that up. As for the tough guy, you do not have to threaten to be a warrior. You try and slap your paper in people's computer face, I would say that is internet tough. Like I said, hit my PM we can discuss this further, dad.

I wouldn't say it was tough mate. just the truth. merely pointing out the fact that I am nowhere near stupid even though arguing over the internet is in itself stupid. I do this to kill time...especially this week as we are dead as a doorknob for the 4th.

[hutch2426]

That I can agree with. I am on leave and very bored.

[metsnjets]

That I can agree with. I am on leave and very bored.

Well thank you for your service. keep your ass low and your head lower as my dad used to say.

Somebody has to answer phones and deal with any media issues ...its my turn today so the rest of the office can have a 3-day weekend since the 4th was on a wednesday. Headed to Steamboat for Cowpie Rugby tournament in about 3 hours so that will be fun. crackin heads and drinking beer is always a great time.

[hutch2426]

Anything with beer is a good time.

[Bannon]

This thread got awkward and pathetic in a hurry.

[hutch2426]

No, just thirsty. No need to keep bombing each other. He got called out and it started a downward spiral on the thread. No need to keep going down the same road. A forum doesn't have to be a hate house, it can be used for debates and fun. Right?

[Bannon]

No, just thirsty. No need to keep bombing each other. He got called out and it started a downward spiral on the thread. No need to keep going down the same road. A forum doesn't have to be a hate house, it can be used for debates and fun. Right?

I'm just talking about the detour into the whole subject of diplomas and jobs. Eww.

[hutch2426]

Yeah, that's why I wrote that we could discuss those things in private. Doesn't need to be a discussion for the masses.

[TheMoops]

Ladies, we are talking about practice.

Remember, last summer Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn and Adam Weber all practiced better than Tebow including preseason games... Granted, Sanchez is better than those 3 guys. But, let's wait for when things really count.

[ItsTime]

Ladies, we are talking about practice.

Remember, last summer Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn and Adam Weber all practiced better than Tebow including preseason games... Granted, Sanchez is better than those 3 guys. But, let's wait for when things really count.

I'm not so sure Sanchez is better than Orton, his numbers show otherwise.

[Fightin'JetTitan]

This whole thing is being billed as Sanchez vs. Tebow blah blah blah. This whole thing is going to be a circus. The second Sanchez struggles the idiots are going to come out screaming for Tebow.

Amen..................!

Been listening to ESPN 98.7 for the past few days and all I hear is "Tebow is Tebow" in relation to passing skills. No accuracy, no improvement fr prev season, no finesse, deft touch, no NOTHING in the category of passing period! What a freakin' joke as a qb this "Te-Blow-me" is!
Sanchez, PLEASE....KEEP THIS FOOL ON THE BENCH by raising your game to the next level! PLEASE!!!!!!!!

[CowboysFan]

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I wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the Tebowmania section.
But Tebow fans wouldn't be too happy.

By Tebow fans you mean like 6 or 7 forum members? Hate post versus positive post is like 25-1 in these forums

[Barcs]

I like the fact that Sanchez is having his best training camp yet as a Jet thus far. Hopefully the good numbers continue.

[Backup QB]

By Tebow fans you mean like 6 or 7 forum members? Hate post versus positive post is like 25-1 in these forums

Lol. For real, there are like 5 of us in here compared to 100 people who come in to flame, not to mention the drive-by shootings that happen randomly. Jets fans have a bad day working today at Taco Bell or something, so they decide... let me go in the Tebowmania forum and start flaming.

[BrowningNagle]

Lol. For real, there are like 5 of us in here compared to 100 people who come in to flame, not to mention the drive-by shootings that happen randomly. Jets fans have a bad day working today at Taco Bell or something, so they decide... let me go in the Tebowmania forum and start flaming.

Maybe because you are on a freakin' New York Jets site?? I'm sorry you feel "outnumbered" by people that actually care about a franchise and not just have a crush on one guy.

I'm sure there is a teblower forum somewhere out there in cyberspace where you guys can have a circle-jerk and not have any negative feedback. Go check it out!

[Backup QB]

Maybe because you are on a freakin' New York Jets site?? I'm sorry you feel "outnumbered" by people that actually care about a franchise and not just have a crush on one guy.

I'm sure there is a teblower forum somewhere out there in cyberspace where you guys can have a circle-jerk and not have any negative feedback. Go check it out!

Over the top response.

[AbdulSalam]

Maybe because you are on a freakin' New York Jets site?? I'm sorry you feel "outnumbered" by people that actually care about a franchise and not just have a crush on one guy.

I'm sure there is a teblower forum somewhere out there in cyberspace where you guys can have a circle-jerk and not have any negative feedback. Go check it out!

relax its only July, we're all on the same team. :beer:

[joolander]

Maybe because you are on a freakin' New York Jets site?? I'm sorry you feel "outnumbered" by people that actually care about a franchise and not just have a crush on one guy.

I'm sure there is a teblower forum somewhere out there in cyberspace where you guys can have a circle-jerk and not have any negative feedback. Go check it out!

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[Jake]

Over the top response.

Perfect response. You could also call it "spot on" or "accurate retort" or "the truth".

[AbdulSalam]

the Tebow haters need to chill out. WTF is up w/u nutjobs?

[Jake]

the Tebow haters need to chill out. WTF is up w/u nutjobs?

I can't speak for anyone else here but it's pretty understandable to me: these guys aren't Jets fans, they're Tebow fans. They may not say it but they're rooting for Sanchez to implode and the team to crumble out of the gate. Why treat them like anything other than what they are... temporary fans.

[Backup QB]

I can't speak for anyone else here but it's pretty understandable to me: these guys aren't Jets fans, they're Tebow fans. They may not say it but they're rooting for Sanchez to implode and the team to crumble out of the gate. Why treat them like anything other than what they are... temporary fans.

I think you are reading into it too much. From what I read in this forum, some feel he is better and that Sanchez will implode, but I don't hear anyone openly hoping for Sanchez to implode. A handful of members just happen to think it will happen. Very different than hoping for a Sanchez/Jets failure to boost up Tebow.

[Jake]

I think you are reading into it too much. From what I read in this forum, some feel he is better and that Sanchez will implode, but I don't hear anyone openly hoping for Sanchez to implode. A handful of members just happen to think it will happen. Very different than hoping for a Sanchez/Jets failure to boost up Tebow.

Ok how about this: if Tebow is playing for the Fins next year you'll be a Fins fan.... and that fucking disgusts me. More than being a die-hard Fins fan, at least they're consistent.

[Cakes]

Lol. For real, there are like 5 of us in here compared to 100 people who come in to flame, not to mention the drive-by shootings that happen randomly. Jets fans have a bad day working today at Taco Bell or something, so they decide... let me go in the Tebowmania forum and start flaming.

Unless you are a close friend or relative of Tim Tebow, I don't understand how you people can root for an individual so heavily.

[NewEnglandJet]

Unless you are a close friend or relative of Tim Tebow, I don't understand how you people can root for an individual so heavily.

I don't understand how people can hate an individual on their own team.

[Demosthenes9]

Unless you are a close friend or relative of Tim Tebow, I don't understand how you people can root for an individual so heavily.

Because we like the way that the guy plays the game ?

[Cakes]

I don't understand how people can hate an individual on their own team.Well, I hated Gladys Gholston the moment the Jets drafted her.

Because we like the way that the guy plays the game ?Second time in 5 days with you. I like Tim Tebow. I would suggest doing some sort of research, so that there is not a third incident.

[Demosthenes9]

Well, I hated Gladys Gholston the moment the Jets drafted her.

Second time in 5 days with you. I like Tim Tebow. I would suggest doing some sort of research, so that there is not a third incident.


What "incident" sunshine ? You asked a question and I answered it.

[NewEnglandJet]

Well, I hated Gladys Gholston the moment the Jets drafted her.

Second time in 5 days with you. I like Tim Tebow. I would suggest doing some sort of research, so that there is not a third incident.

What does this even mean? I don't see how anyone questioned whether or not you like Tebow.

I personally love his play style...you get the big trucking rb who can throw bombs, which I love.

[catfish]

I can't speak for anyone else here but it's pretty understandable to me: these guys aren't Jets fans, they're Tebow fans. They may not say it but they're rooting for Sanchez to implode and the team to crumble out of the gate. Why treat them like anything other than what they are... temporary fans.

for the record I am here as a Tebow fan, but sincerely want Sancez to suceed. I hope Tebow and Sanchez both shine in preseason so Sanchez can lead the team in the future and Tebow can get the chance to develop not as much under the microscope because he needs at least a year of focus just on the passing aspect of his game

[Cakes]

What "incident" sunshine ? You asked a question and I answered it.

The other incident was the Dick Lane one from Wednesday. Also, I did not ask a question here.

You jumped to conclusions and figured me as a Tebow hater. That is not the case at all. I was all for the Tebow acquisition.

[Demosthenes9]

The other incident was the Dick Lane one from Wednesday. Also, I did not ask a question here.

You jumped to conclusions and figured me as a Tebow hater. That is not the case at all. I was all for the Tebow acquisition.

Dude, you must be high or something.

First of all, that "other" incident wasn't an incident at all, rather, it was you getting your panties in an uproar.

You had listed 2 guys you would basically put as your top 2 CBs in NFL history and I merely piped and offered the opinion that you might want to add Night Train Lane into that lineup.

YOU then asked whether I had read through the thread, which basically insinuated that Night Train had already been discussed. After I replied saying that I hadn't seen him mentioned in the thread, YOU then realized that YOU had made a mistake, and that the conversation that YOU were thinking about (where you had mentioned Night Train) was in a different thread.

That was your mistake, not mine.

Point #2: There's absolutely nothing in my response that would paint you as a Tebow hater. Actually, there's nothing in my response that paints you in any light. I merely provided a reason in reply to your statement.

Here's a replay of it just to help you out:



Unless you are a close friend or relative of Tim Tebow, I don't understand how you people can root for an individual so heavily.

Because we like the way that the guy plays the game ?

Go ahead and point out which part of, or how that statement shows that I "jumped to conclusions and figured me [you] as a Tebow hater."

[Cakes]

Dude, you must be high or something.

First of all, that "other" incident wasn't an incident at all, rather, it was you getting your panties in an uproar.

You had listed 2 guys you would basically put as your top 2 CBs in NFL history and I merely piped and offered the opinion that you might want to add Night Train Lane into that lineup.

YOU then asked whether I had read through the thread, which basically insinuated that Night Train had already been discussed. After I replied saying that I hadn't seen him mentioned in the thread, YOU then realized that YOU had made a mistake, and that the conversation that YOU were thinking about (where you had mentioned Night Train) was in a different thread.

That was your mistake, not mine.
Point #2: There's absolutely nothing in my response that would paint you as a Tebow hater. Actually, there's nothing in my response that paints you in any light. I merely provided a reason in reply to your statement.

Here's a replay of it just to help you out:







Go ahead and point out which part of, or how that statement shows that I "jumped to conclusions and figured me [you] as a Tebow hater."

That was not my top 2 CBs list. This was pointed out to you.

[Demosthenes9]

Unless you are a close friend or relative of Tim Tebow, I don't understand how you people can root for an individual so heavily.

Because we like the way that the guy plays the game ?

That was not my top 2 CBs list. This was pointed out to you.

Oh, forgive me, it was the 2 CBs that you would put on your "all-time team".

I think if I was starting an all-time team I would want Mike Haynes and Revis as the starters with Deion Sanders and Jimmy Johnson as backups.


BTW, seems that you failed to address point #2.

[Backup QB]

Ok how about this: if Tebow is playing for the Fins next year you'll be a Fins fan.... and that fucking disgusts me. More than being a die-hard Fins fan, at least they're consistent.

If Tebow plays for the Dolphins next year, yes I will follow the Dolphins the same way. I won't necessarily be a fan of the Dolphins. I am originally from NY and the Giants have always been my "team". I am a UF alumni and have been a fan of Tebow's since he played for us and enjoy his style of play. I can't wrap my head around why it bothers you guys so much.

There are countless players who fans love to watch even though they play on a team other than the one they root for. I used to be a die-hard Knicks fan in my youth and when Jordan used to tear up the Knicks every year in the playoffs, I hated it. But I loved Jordan as a player and watched him every chance I could. He was still my favorite player.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp or why it bothers anyone. Nobody here is stopping you from enjoying your team or doing anything to mess up your team. We are fans talking on a forum. I'm not buying any billboards, writing to the front office to beg them to start Tebow, or anything like that.

[Jake]

for the record I am here as a Tebow fan, but sincerely want Sancez to suceed. I hope Tebow and Sanchez both shine in preseason so Sanchez can lead the team in the future and Tebow can get the chance to develop not as much under the microscope because he needs at least a year of focus just on the passing aspect of his game

That's cool man, I think Tebow is a good football player and his skill set will be a great weapon but I don't think he'll ever be a starting Quarterback in the NFL. I do however think he's an addition to any roster.

[catfish]

That's cool man, I think Tebow is a good football player and his skill set will be a great weapon but I don't think he'll ever be a starting Quarterback in the NFL. I do however think he's an addition to any roster.

fair enough, I certainly can't guarantee he will develop, though I think there is a chance, also don't blame you for being annoyed at some of the fans, but I think in large part the "circus" is being overhyped. ESPN is a little overboard, but if you mute it at least you get to see the Jets practice in the comfort of the AC :) I will try to keep it rational and polite, I appreciate you are doing the same

[Jake]

If Tebow plays for the Dolphins next year, yes I will follow the Dolphins the same way. I won't necessarily be a fan of the Dolphins. I am originally from NY and the Giants have always been my "team". I am a UF alumni and have been a fan of Tebow's since he played for us and enjoy his style of play. I can't wrap my head around why it bothers you guys so much.

There are countless players who fans love to watch even though they play on a team other than the one they root for. I used to be a die-hard Knicks fan in my youth and when Jordan used to tear up the Knicks every year in the playoffs, I hated it. But I loved Jordan as a player and watched him every chance I could. He was still my favorite player.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp or why it bothers anyone. Nobody here is stopping you from enjoying your team or doing anything to mess up your team. We are fans talking on a forum. I'm not buying any billboards, writing to the front office to beg them to start Tebow, or anything like that.

Firstly it doesn't bother me. It's annoying. Plain and simple... we (the rest of football fans not just NYJ) don't see Tebow in the same light as you. It becomes hard to take most of his fans' analysis seriously when he's so mechanically flawed and so far away from being the starter the Jets need.

I definitely like how the Jets have been using him so far.

[NY Dork]

That's cool man, I think Tebow is a good football player and his skill set will be a great weapon but I don't think he'll ever be a starting Quarterback in the NFL. I do however think he's an addition to any roster.

He already was a starting NFL QB...........

[mrmahon]

I never really thought there was a question there