Revis "Tebow a Born Leader"

[DemoIsland]

Revis says the guy is just born with it. Tebow has been getting a lot of praise, Sanchez getting a bit pissed off? Who knows, take it for what it is.
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One week before the Jets begin voluntary Organized Team Activities, Darrelle Revis lauded Tim Tebow for his ability to win over his new teammates with his passion and leadership skills.

“He’s a born leader,” Revis said on Wednesday. “He really is. He’s a born leader. Very few athletes the gift that he has. He tries to lead by example all the time and he tries to be positive, which is awesome. I think that results (in) his success on the field. He came in with Denver and did unbelievable. And now he’s with us. We’re happy. We’re excited for him. We’re happy (that) he’ll bring his leadership qualities to this team.”

Revis relayed a recent conversation that he had with Tebow during lunch when he told the Jets’ backup quarterback that he watched a television program about his high school success.

“You could see that at every level he was a leader and he stepped up and did what he had to do as a quarterback,” Revis said.

Tebow was caught off guard when Revis told him that story.

“He laughed about it,” Revis said. “He was like, ‘Whoah… What?’ Yeah… everybody’s watching you, buddy,” Revis said with a laugh.

The All-Pro cornerback summed it up by saying that Tebow had the “It” factor.

“Some people have it. Some guys don’t,” Revis said. “It’s the passion within… of him wanting to be a leader, wanting to win. You see it in him all the time… eating lunch. Walking down the hallway you see it… he;’s just one of those guys. He’s very positive. He has passion for what he does and you could see it. You can see it on him when you have a conversation with him. He’s just a leader.”

Lunch?

“He’s into stuff,” Revis said. “You’re talking to him… he’s just very passionate when he talks about things. He’s really into it.”

Tebow has fit right in.

At one point, Tebow told Bart Scott to go to the cold tub to soak his aches and pains. Scott playfully responded by asking Tebow if he’d baptize him.

[Wolf Brother]

Whoa. Jets been baptized. Revis is the best player on the team and he's saying this stuff too?

[DemoIsland]

Whoa. Jets been baptized. Revis is the best player on the team and he's saying this stuff too?

Perhaps the media got it all wrong. Its not the fans who will be crying for Tebow, it will be the players. Many people a part of this organization have been praising him. I wonder what affect this has to Sanchez, can't be good.

[Dierking]

I don't know what Revis sees when he watches him eating lunch, but I saw an historically piss-poor performance when his team was getting shellacked by our number one rival in the playoffs last season. Not convinced.

[Wolf Brother]

I don't know what Revis sees when he watches him eating lunch, but I saw an historically piss-poor performance when his team was getting shellacked by our number one rival in the playoffs last season. Not convinced.

Think the Patriots respected Tebow and targeted him as the player "to take away". Bill Belicheck always takes away the best player on the team and probably felt like if they rushed up the middle and kept contain on Tebow, that nobody else would beat them. Where as, the Steelers said "We don't think Tebow can beat us throwing" so they did not blitz and put all of their players in the box and got burned. Patriots went to the Superbowl for a reason: They were better than everyone else in the AFC. Remember, although Tebow was getting beat up by the Patriots, Mark Sanchez was at home on his couch eating hot dogs.

[TTTTebowAndTheJets]

only a matter of time...

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Mark Sanchez helped beat the Pats on the road in a hostile environment. I didn't see Tebow do that

Here's a situation a girl calls you a nice guy and hangs around you. That doesn't mean she wants you as her boyfriend.

Apply that to this situation

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[Wolf Brother]

Mark Sanchez helped beat the Pats on the road in a hostile environment. I didn't see Tebow do that

Here's a situation a girl calls you a nice guy and hangs around you. That doesn't mean she wants you as her boyfriend.

Apply that to this situation

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Not to split hairs but Tebow was in the AFC West and beat all those teams on the road. Only difference: Tebow was doing it last year and Sanchez wasn't. Also, one guy was actually in a playoff game last year and won, and one was at home watching. And one could also argue, that had Sanchez beat Tebow specifically, Tebow is not ever a Jet. So really, Mark caused this mess!

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Not to split hairs but Tebow was in the AFC West and beat all those teams on the road. Only difference: Tebow was doing it last year and Sanchez wasn't. Also, one guy was actually in a playoff game last year and won, and one was at home watching. And one could also argue, that had Sanchez beat Tebow specifically, Tebow is not ever a Jet. So really, Mark caused this mess!

Tebow won one home playoff game in his career against a crippled opponent in a stadium that is widely known as one of the best home field advantages in the league. Sanchez has won 4 road playoff games against guys named Manning, Brady, Rivers and Palmer and has the 6th best post season passer rating in NFL history.

Sanchez struggled down the stretch last year and was not his typical clutch self, but I think the Jets are just a little more invested in him than to give up over one bad quarter of a season.

As for Tebow vs. Sanchez head up, The broncos defense and special teams scored more points than Tebow lead the broncos to. The Broncos offense had averaged fewer than 7 yards per drive prior to the 95 yard miracle drive. I know the Tebow gets all the credit from his tebois though. I give him a lot of credit for coming through in the clutch there but his defense and special teams played phenomenally up to that point to give him the opportunity.

[NYJMONKEY]

I honestly hope. they bag sanchez so he can have a chance to win a superbowl. let the jets keep tim and start the rebuilding process see you all in about 5 years when we become relevant again. sanchez wins a SB before TIM TEBOW

[displacedfan]

Think the Patriots respected Tebow and targeted him as the player "to take away". Bill Belicheck always takes away the best player on the team and probably felt like if they rushed up the middle and kept contain on Tebow, that nobody else would beat them. Where as, the Steelers said "We don't think Tebow can beat us throwing" so they did not blitz and put all of their players in the box and got burned. Patriots went to the Superbowl for a reason: They were better than everyone else in the AFC. Remember, although Tebow was getting beat up by the Patriots, Mark Sanchez was at home on his couch eating hot dogs.

Well to be fair the QB is 80-85% of time the main player you want to take out of the game. The few exceptions would be AP, Chris Johnson of two years ago, and maybe Trent Richardson this year. Besides that, the gameplan is always to take out the QB.

Also disagree on the Patriots being the best team in the AFC. I think the Ravens and Patriots were the same and they would split 10 games if played against each other.

Not to split hairs but Tebow was in the AFC West and beat all those teams on the road. Only difference: Tebow was doing it last year and Sanchez wasn't. Also, one guy was actually in a playoff game last year and won, and one was at home watching. And one could also argue, that had Sanchez beat Tebow specifically, Tebow is not ever a Jet. So really, Mark caused this mess!

Tebow lost the last 3 games of his regular season. Sanchez lost the last 3 games of the regular season. Sanchez finished 8-8, so did Tebow's team with Tebow going 8-5** (thanks jim jet) Tebow played in the one division in football where 8-8 that year go you a home playoff game. Sanchez played in a division where 8-8 leaves you out of the playoffs, not a division winner.

[displacedfan]

Tebow won one home playoff game in his career against a crippled opponent in a stadium that is widely known as one of the best home field advantages in the league. Sanchez has won 4 road playoff games against guys named Manning, Brady, Rivers and Palmer and has the 6th best post season passer rating in NFL history.

Sanchez struggled down the stretch last year and was not his typical clutch self, but I think the Jets are just a little more invested in him than to give up over one bad quarter of a season.

As for Tebow vs. Sanchez head up, The broncos defense and special teams scored more points than Tebow lead the broncos to. The Broncos offense had averaged fewer than 7 yards per drive prior to the 95 yard miracle drive. I know the Tebow gets all the credit from his tebois though. I give him a lot of credit for coming through in the clutch there but his defense and special teams played phenomenally up to that point to give him the opportunity.

The bold. The defense/st played a lot better than many people make them out to be. They caused two fumbles in OT, the ST made two 50+ yd field goals, the defense scored 7 against us. They gave Tebow the opportunity and I give Tebow the credit for capitalizing on it.

[CowboysFan]

meh...what does Revis know....?:rolleyes:

[Wolf Brother]

Tebow won one home playoff game in his career against a crippled opponent in a stadium that is widely known as one of the best home field advantages in the league. Sanchez has won 4 road playoff games against guys named Manning, Brady, Rivers and Palmer and has the 6th best post season passer rating in NFL history.

Sanchez struggled down the stretch last year and was not his typical clutch self, but I think the Jets are just a little more invested in him than to give up over one bad quarter of a season.

As for Tebow vs. Sanchez head up, The broncos defense and special teams scored more points than Tebow lead the broncos to. The Broncos offense had averaged fewer than 7 yards per drive prior to the 95 yard miracle drive. I know the Tebow gets all the credit from his tebois though. I give him a lot of credit for coming through in the clutch there but his defense and special teams played phenomenally up to that point to give him the opportunity.
If what you say is true (and a lot of it is) why trade for Tebow then? What if the Jet players feel that the Defense and running game carried Mark to those AFC titles in the same way you think the broncos defense carried Tebow?

[LongTimeJetsFan]

If what you say is true (and a lot of it is) why trade for Tebow then? What if the Jet players feel that the Defense and running game carried Mark to those AFC titles in the same way you think the broncos defense carried Tebow?

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Why trade for Tebow? I don't know, seemed like a foolish move to me considering they had other more pressing needs than a Jesuscat player.

[displacedfan]

meh...what does Revis know....?:rolleyes:

I don't think anyone disagreed that Tebow is a great leader which is what Revis said. We do know Revis doesn't have "it" as a leader, at least he has not shown it yet. Well, unless leadership is tied to holding out, then Revis is a leader and has "it". :smile:

I'll show myself out after that joke

[Jim-Jet]

Tebow lost the last 3 games of his regular season. Sanchez lost the last 3 games of the regular season. Sanchez finished 8-8, so did Tebow. Tebow played in the one division in football where 8-8 that year go you a home playoff game. Sanchez played in a division where 8-8 leaves you out of the playoffs, not a division winner.

Tebow was 8-5 last year.

[Wolf Brother]

Why trade for Tebow? I don't know, seemed like a foolish move to me considering they had other more pressing needs than a Jesuscat player.
Looks like the Jets coaches want the guy in that chart, not the guy they got last year in the regular season. Man, looks like a confidence/lack of focus issue to me. And that's a problem. His playoff stats have low TD and completions compared to those other QBs who are asked to carry their team.

[displacedfan]

Tebow was 8-5 last year.

Thanks.

Edited my post

[Catt_County]

Think the Patriots respected Tebow and targeted him as the player "to take away". Bill Belicheck always takes away the best player on the team and probably felt like if they rushed up the middle and kept contain on Tebow, that nobody else would beat them. Where as, the Steelers said "We don't think Tebow can beat us throwing" so they did not blitz and put all of their players in the box and got burned. Patriots went to the Superbowl for a reason: They were better than everyone else in the AFC. Remember, although Tebow was getting beat up by the Patriots, Mark Sanchez was at home on his couch eating hot dogs.

Sorry, sweetpea, but the Bills and the Chiefs put lickings on Tebow, too. The Bills intercepted him 4 times, twice for pick sixes while the Chiefs limited Tebow to 6/22 for about 60 yards and no TDs, passing or running.

The "solution" to Tebow is simple: contain the run and force Tebow to throw into zone coverage where all the DBs and LBs stay in their assigned zones. Zone defenses work better than man-to-man because most of Timmie's passes are, to put it kindly, "errant", ie not real close to the intended target, so the DBs have as much chance to catch the ball as the WRs.

[Wolf Brother]

Sorry, sweetpea, but the Bills and the Chiefs put lickings on Tebow, too. The Bills intercepted him 4 times, twice for pick sixes while the Chiefs limited Tebow to 6/22 for about 60 yards and no TDs, passing or running.

The "solution" to Tebow is simple: contain the run and force Tebow to throw into zone coverage where all the DBs and LBs stay in their assigned zones. Zone defenses work better than man-to-man because most of Timmie's passes are, to put it kindly, "errant", ie not real close to the intended target, so the DBs have as much chance to catch the ball as the WRs.

I ain't your sweetpea, huckleberry. And Tebow put up those stinker stats. I guess you better pray he's the guy that beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs instead of those kinds of games.

[Bannon]

Sorry, sweetpea, but the Bills and the Chiefs put lickings on Tebow, too. The Bills intercepted him 4 times, twice for pick sixes while the Chiefs limited Tebow to 6/22 for about 60 yards and no TDs, passing or running.

The "solution" to Tebow is simple: contain the run and force Tebow to throw into zone coverage where all the DBs and LBs stay in their assigned zones. Zone defenses work better than man-to-man because most of Timmie's passes are, to put it kindly, "errant", ie not real close to the intended target, so the DBs have as much chance to catch the ball as the WRs.

One of the many problems with this post is that Tebow faced very little zone coverage all season long. You have it bass-ackwards. He thrives against zone because he's a sight thrower once the receiver sits in a hole. He shies away from tight throws to receivers with a man on them (where ball placement will be the difference maker). Cover 1 was the most common defense against Tebow in the second half of the season. Cover 1 is everybody in man except for one guy (the free safety, usually).

Your precious Bills smothered him with a tight man coverage. Thanks for playing.

[CowboysFan]

This is part of the value the Jets got with the 4th round pick for Tebow trade.

His leadership intangible and his ability to get players going in the same direction is a valuable asset.

All Jets fans should be happy not upset.

Denver traded Tebow because of Peyton Manning. It is a very simply answer:Tebow was too big in Denver to put on the bench. It would have caused a distraction for Manning.

[CowboysFan]

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[Remarker]

Tim a born leader? I don't think so Tim,,,err, Revis, but a leader to be sure. The better the example (a choice), the better the leader. I ask rhetorically, who inspires good performance from their teammates, the person that works hard to be their best or the person that doesn't? Now we are talking about Tim's intangables.

Dispite the value of pro or con Tim/Mark stats, the grey area of unplayed football games will remain until the games are played.

In regards to the subject of this thread, Tim's IT factor, it is ignored by the Jets, their opponents, and their fans at their own peril.

As a 3/12er, I'm here to watch Tim, errr do it AGAIN.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Steelers were crippled? everyone late in the year is hurt, Denver had KUPER out, MORENO out, DECKER was gone for 3 quarters, VON MILLER was at half speed, DAWKINS was out. Denver had as many starters as the Steelers out.


you mention the "one" playoff win in his "career" he has only started for 1 year!

Not sure where you got that the defense scored more points than tebow.

Tebow has 32 Touch downs in 16 starts and about 40 plays in a few other games.

Where exactly did the defense and special teams score 32 Tds? Get real man.

and last but not least , yes the defense played phenomenally and Tebow had something to do with that as the LEADER, don't take my word for it but take Dawkin's word, and Champ Bailey's word and Von Miller's word. They said the same things Revis said and they said they played with more energy and intensity when Tebow took over. That is part of the reason the team went from 7-24 to 8-5 with a playoff win.

Please don't chop up my post when you quote me to manipulate what I said. Your response is purposely manipulative thus dishonest and not worthy of a response.

If you'd like to have a real discussion, feel free to respond to what I actually posted.

[CowboysFan]

Please don't chop up my post when you quote me to manipulate what I said. Your response is purposely manipulative thus dishonest and not worthy of a response.

If you'd like to have a real discussion, feel free to respond to what I actually posted.

My bad I did not know you were just talking about the jets game. Sorry.

[Demosthenes9]

Sorry, sweetpea, but the Bills and the Chiefs put lickings on Tebow, too. The Bills intercepted him 4 times, twice for pick sixes while the Chiefs limited Tebow to 6/22 for about 60 yards and no TDs, passing or running.

The "solution" to Tebow is simple: contain the run and force Tebow to throw into zone coverage where all the DBs and LBs stay in their assigned zones. Zone defenses work better than man-to-man because most of Timmie's passes are, to put it kindly, "errant", ie not real close to the intended target, so the DBs have as much chance to catch the ball as the WRs.

Simple enough, I'll run 4/5 WR sets all day against you. What zone coverage are you going to run then ?

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

This is part of the value the Jets got with the 4th round pick for Tebow trade.

His leadership intangible and his ability to get players going in the same direction is a valuable asset.

All Jets fans should be happy not upset.

Denver traded Tebow because of Peyton Manning. It is a very simply answer:Tebow was too big in Denver to put on the bench. It would have caused a distraction for Manning.

LOL distraction for Manning really? Peyton is one of the best ever to play the game. There is no distraction, they traded Tebow because his value was decent and they had no role for him on that team.

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[CowboysFan]

LOL distraction for Manning really? Peyton is one of the best ever to play the game. There is no distraction, they traded Tebow because his value was decent and they had no role for him on that team.

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Manning and Elway did not want to answer 1000 Tebow questions after every game and practice . It has nothing to do with Manning's skill over Tebow.

so nothing to do with Peyton being the greatest player of all time and Tebow being the worst. Everything else to do with all the stuff that comes with Tebow.

[Demosthenes9]

I edited my post long before you responded but I don't see how miss represented what you posted at all.

You did say :

Crippled steelers
he has one playoff win in his career
the defense and the special team scored more than Tebow leading the offense did.
You did say the defense played great, i agreed and offered my opinion.

I have no idea where i miss represented your post

here is what you wrote


he was talking about the jets game specifically, not the entire season. :)

[CowboysFan]

he was talking about the jets game specifically, not the entire season. :)

Got it thanks, my apologies to LongTimeJetsFan...

[Wolf Brother]

Jets have to figure out how to get the Mark Sanchez of the playoffs to show up in the regular season on a consistent basis. Not sure bringing in Tebow was the answer for that. Unless it really does push Mark to get better. But why does he need someone to push him? That's my question. Lack of confidence or a deeper problem like focus? Maybe that's why Revis is now talking up Tebow with no mention of Mark. Where's Mark when all of this is going on? Yikes.

[Demosthenes9]

Jets have to figure out how to get the Mark Sanchez of the playoffs to show up in the regular season on a consistent basis. Not sure bringing in Tebow was the answer for that. Unless it really does push Mark to get better. But why does he need someone to push him? That's my question. Lack of confidence or a deeper problem like focus? Maybe that's why Revis is now talking up Tebow with no mention of Mark. Where's Mark when all of this is going on? Yikes.

The business world found out long ago that "one size fits all" wrt to motivation quite simply doesn't work. Some people respond to competition while others respond better to other forms of motivation. To make things even more difficult, the type of motivation that a specific person responds to over time will often change.

For example, I used to be motivated by the promise of overtime pay. Same job for time and a half ? Double time on holidays ? Sure, sign me up and give me all the hours that you can.

Now ? Pfffft. I value my time more than I value the additional pay.

[Shiloh]

Why trade for Tebow? I don't know, seemed like a foolish move to me considering they had other more pressing needs than a Jesuscat player.


Is the reason you're not a fan of Tebow because of his religion? I'm asking this seriously because usually those are the types of comments that people who don't like him because of his religion make...so just wondering where you're coming from, I guess.

[Shiloh]

Manning and Elway did not want to answer 1000 Tebow questions after every game and practice . It has nothing to do with Manning's skill over Tebow.

so nothing to do with Peyton being the greatest player of all time and Tebow being the worst. Everything else to do with all the stuff that comes with Tebow.

Yup...this.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Ok good he a born leader. I didn't see anywhere that Revis said he was a good QB.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

Manning and Elway did not want to answer 1000 Tebow questions after every game and practice . It has nothing to do with Manning's skill over Tebow.

so nothing to do with Peyton being the greatest player of all time and Tebow being the worst. Everything else to do with all the stuff that comes with Tebow.

Nice massive post change and btw they can talk about Tebow all they want to the media but it wouldn't of been a distraction for the Broncos and Peyton. Accept the fact that Elway wanted nothing to do with Tebow and shipped him out as soon as possible. Distraction maybe, but they also traded him because he had no role on the Broncos once Manning came around. Tebow would still be a Bronco if not for the Colts cutting Manning. I don't think Elway ever liked Tebow as a QB

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[LongTimeJetsFan]

Is the reason you're not a fan of Tebow because of his religion? I'm asking this seriously because usually those are the types of comments that people who don't like him because of his religion make...so just wondering where you're coming from, I guess.

I don't like the fact that the Jets used resources on a position they didn't need when they had a lot of pressing needs. I think Tebow is a good football player, just not a good quarterback. Now when those pressing needs rear their ugly heads, the Jets QB will pay for it and will also have a fan/media favorite there being pushed into his spot as if the QB is the only problem. I also don't like the fact that their are a bunch of grown men who follow this guy around and talk about him like he's a great quarterback who can do no wrong when any sane person can see he's really not that. It's weird, creepy and delusional.

I use jesuscat because someone else posted it a while ago and I thought it was funny.

I hope Tebow helps the Jets win football games.

[Wolf Brother]

I don't like the fact that the Jets used resources on a position they didn't need when they had a lot of pressing needs. I think Tebow is a good football player, just not a good quarterback. Now when those pressing needs rear their ugly heads, the Jets QB will pay for it and will also have a fan/media favorite there being pushed into his spot as if the QB is the only problem. I also don't like the fact that their are a bunch of grown men who follow this guy around and talk about him like he's a great quarterback who can do no wrong when any sane person can see he's really not that. It's weird, creepy and delusional.

I use jesuscat because someone else posted it a while ago and I thought it was funny.
Being a good football player and quarterback is one and the same in my opinion. Somehow, calling Tebow a great football player is an implied knock. Which is hilarious. The problem I have with this plan is that if you have two quarterbacks that you can play, it means that you have none. So you have to pick one guy. The notion that you can play Tebow and Sanchez, as in, get your cake and eat it too, will not work and will fail. It has to be one or the other. If you trully believe in Mark, then hand him the keys. But that's not fair to Tebow after you traded for him, imo because then you're not making it a competition. If you're hoping to drive Sanchez with competition, then it needs to be a real genuine competition, not this pseudo-competition. Honestly, it only further validates the knock on Sanchez as someone who mentally is not tough and cannot actually handle the competition and needs to be coddled while other guys are being given the no-nonsense approach. And to me, I don't want that guy leading my team. I want the guy who two years ago would have understood why a Mark Brunell is getting reps in practice because I have to elevate my play, and get better and that won't happen.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Being a good football player and quarterback is one and the same in my opinion.


Are you also of the opinion that a rectangle is a square? Is Ray Lewis a good quarterback?


Somehow, calling Tebow a great football player is an implied knock. Which is hilarious.

How would calling someone a great football player be a knock? Don't be so sensitive about the Tebow.


The problem I have with this plan is that if you have two quarterbacks that you can play, it means that you have none. So you have to pick one guy. The notion that you can play Tebow and Sanchez, as in, get your cake and eat it too, will not work and will fail. It has to be one or the other. If you trully believe in Mark, then hand him the keys. But that's not fair to Tebow after you traded for him, imo because then you're not making it a competition. If you're hoping to drive Sanchez with competition, then it needs to be a real genuine competition, not this pseudo-competition. Honestly, it only further validates the knock on Sanchez as someone who mentally is not tough and cannot actually handle the competition and needs to be coddled while other guys are being given the no-nonsense approach. And to me, I don't want that guy leading my team. I want the guy who two years ago would have understood why a Mark Brunell is getting reps in practice because I have to elevate my play, and get better and that won't happen.

This entire rant has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed. I would like if you could use a few more catch phrases though. Maybe go with the early bird catches the worm or you are what your record says you are next time.

[CowboysFan]

I don't like the fact that the Jets used resources on a position they didn't need when they had a lot of pressing needs. I think Tebow is a good football player, just not a good quarterback. Now when those pressing needs rear their ugly heads, the Jets QB will pay for it and will also have a fan/media favorite there being pushed into his spot as if the QB is the only problem. I also don't like the fact that their are a bunch of grown men who follow this guy around and talk about him like he's a great quarterback who can do no wrong when any sane person can see he's really not that. It's weird, creepy and delusional.

I use jesuscat because someone else posted it a while ago and I thought it was funny.

I hope Tebow helps the Jets win football games.

The problem is that anyone that says anything positive about Tebow is labeled a Tebot, fanboy or delusional.

What would you call me? creepy and delusional perhaps? (I am not saying you did but just making a point).

If you did you would be wrong. Look at what I have said about the sanchez versus Tebow debate outside of this thread...yet I am constantly being called a Tebot or a Tebow fan boy on these forums.

here read it:

I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up Tebow starting over Sanchez as a potential issue . Tebow IS NOT gong to start over Sanchez , even if Sanchez plays bad.

.




I see Sanchez rising to the occasion ,






Tebow was brought in to push Sanchez , not to take his job because he is not as good a passer ( not yet) , but to push Sanchez into realizing how good he can be, .



I have more faith in Sanchez than some of you. I have seen most of the jets games Sanchez has played in and I do not believe Sanchez to be the delicate wall flower some of you are trying to protect.

Sanchez THRIVES under pressure having played his best football under the intense lights of the post season.

If he feels pressure now GREAT , he will respond just like he did in post season.






Sanchez will play lights out this year because he has played his best under the intense lights of the post season. He will be the starter. I am a fan of sanchez and actually seem to have more faith in him than many long time board members here.

[CowboysFan]

Nice massive post change and btw they can talk about Tebow all they want to the media but it wouldn't of been a distraction for the Broncos and Peyton. Accept the fact that Elway wanted nothing to do with Tebow and shipped him out as soon as possible. Distraction maybe, but they also traded him because he had no role on the Broncos once Manning came around. Tebow would still be a Bronco if not for the Colts cutting Manning. I don't think Elway ever liked Tebow as a QB

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I agree Elway wanted nothing to do with Tebow but for the reasons I stated. If the media does not go berserk and simply would have treated Tebow as a first time starter that had struggles and some real cool moments then Tebow would still be a Bronco.

[Bannon]

The problem is that anyone that says anything positive about Tebow is labeled a Tebot, fanboy or delusional.

What would you call me? creepy and delusional perhaps? (I am not saying you did but just making a point).

If you did you would be wrong. Look at what I have said about the sanchez versus Tebow debate outside of this thread...yet I am constantly being called a Tebot or a Tebow fan boy on these forums.

here read it:

They don't care, and they don't see it. The "religion" of being devoted to the idea that Tebow can't play is more ardent than anything. They are forced to put people in a mold, because they are so psychologically invested in Tebow's failure that they can't seem to make sense of the world when people actually seem to think he can play.

Meanwhile, guys like Blaine Gabbert or even Sam Bradford can just go about their business of trying to play in this league, which is a hard job by any measure.

[Wolf Brother]

Are you also of the opinion that a rectangle is a square? Is Ray Lewis a good quarterback?


How would calling someone a great football player be a knock? Don't be so sensitive about the Tebow.



This entire rant has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed. I would like if you could use a few more catch phrases though. Maybe go with the early bird catches the worm or you are what your record says you are next time.What I said definitely has to do with what was being discussed. Not sure why you would discount them. Please re-read my comments.

[Justone]

What I said definitely has to do with what was being discussed. Not sure why you would discount them. Please re-read my comments.

Reread your comments? We can't ever get through them the first time. Can we stop talking about the backup running back already?

[Wolf Brother]

Reread your comments? We can't ever get through them the first time. Can we stop talking about the backup running back already?Smells like fear to me.

[Justone]

What I said definitely has to do with what was being discussed. Not sure why you would discount them. Please re-read my comments.

Smells like fear to me.

Yeah really fearful of Tim Tebow coming from Denver where he got booted by a HOF QB because he knows as well as anyone he isn't a NFL QB.

That QB who completed 46% of his passes is going to come in and take over for a kid who has completed 56% of his passes over his career. Yeah thats going to go over well with jets fans who criticize the chise for his 56%

This the same Tim Tebow that was embarassed by a pats team in the playoffs last year? This the same sanchez that has 4 playoff wins including back to back against 2 of the greatest QBs to ever play this game.

Smell like fear? I'm a jets fan i want the Jets to win. if its tebow that does that i couldn't care less. I jsut know full well that Tebow will not be the jets starting QB unless sanchez and Mcelroy break their legs this year.

[CowboysFan]

Yeah really fearful of Tim Tebow coming from Denver where he got booted by a HOF QB because he knows as well as anyone he isn't a NFL QB.

That QB who completed 46% of his passes is going to come in and take over for a kid who has completed 56% of his passes over his career. Yeah thats going to go over well with jets fans who criticize the chise for his 56%

This the same Tim Tebow that was embarassed by a pats team in the playoffs last year? This the same sanchez that has 4 playoff wins including back to back against 2 of the greatest QBs to ever play this game.

Smell like fear? I'm a jets fan i want the Jets to win. if its tebow that does that i couldn't care less. I jsut know full well that Tebow will not be the jets starting QB unless sanchez and Mcelroy break their legs this year.

I know bringing up Tebow's completion percentage is popular but he seems to be the only player to not get the benefit of the doubt ( even after going 8-5 after the team was 7-24 and winning a playoff game).

Here are other QBs who had low completion percentages in their first year.

Tebow has a 47.3% completion percentage in his first 16 starts mind you.


QB completion % first year starting (this is just a small quick sample)


John Elway 47.5%
Eli Manning 48.2%
Michael Vick 44.2%
Alex Smith 50.9%
Matt Scahub 47.1%
Donavan McNabb 49.1%

So according to detractors , Tebow is the only one that will not be able to improve even though all team mates and coaches ever say is how much he improves and his dedication to improving.

it's anti Tebow bias. Blame it on his fans, on his religion, on his wobbly passes or leprechauns riding unicorns..its still bias. Tebow is treated as if he were a 6 year vet and not a first time starter like everyone else.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

What I said definitely has to do with what was being discussed. Not sure why you would discount them. Please re-read my comments.

Let's recap:

Is the reason you're not a fan of Tebow because of his religion? I'm asking this seriously because usually those are the types of comments that people who don't like him because of his religion make...so just wondering where you're coming from, I guess.

I don't like the fact that the Jets used resources on a position they didn't need when they had a lot of pressing needs. I think Tebow is a good football player, just not a good quarterback. Now when those pressing needs rear their ugly heads, the Jets QB will pay for it and will also have a fan/media favorite there being pushed into his spot as if the QB is the only problem. I also don't like the fact that their are a bunch of grown men who follow this guy around and talk about him like he's a great quarterback who can do no wrong when any sane person can see he's really not that. It's weird, creepy and delusional.

I use jesuscat because someone else posted it a while ago and I thought it was funny.

I hope Tebow helps the Jets win football games.

You see, here's what happened. A poster saw me call the wild cat with tebow the Jesuscat, and asked me a question. I responded to his question that suggested I hated tebow explaining why I used that term and what I actually hated. Most of it was surrounding factors, not tebow himself.

You then responded with a bunch of crap about tebow vs. sanchez and a qb competition. Not surprisingly you don't get how that doesn't belong with the conversation.

You're obviously either here to troll or not very intelligent. It won't take long to figure out which one it is. Perhaps you think Tebow is something like Jordan in his prime?

[Wolf Brother]

Yeah really fearful of Tim Tebow coming from Denver where he got booted by a HOF QB because he knows as well as anyone he isn't a NFL QB.

That QB who completed 46% of his passes is going to come in and take over for a kid who has completed 56% of his passes over his career. Yeah thats going to go over well with jets fans who criticize the chise for his 56%

This the same Tim Tebow that was embarassed by a pats team in the playoffs last year? This the same sanchez that has 4 playoff wins including back to back against 2 of the greatest QBs to ever play this game.

Smell like fear? I'm a jets fan i want the Jets to win. if its tebow that does that i couldn't care less. I jsut know full well that Tebow will not be the jets starting QB unless sanchez and Mcelroy break their legs this year.
That 56% completion by Sanchez is on a lot more attempts along with 26 turnovers. So for 10% more passes completed than Tebow, you get an average of 1 turnover a game more but with less yards per attempt completed. So, for every touchdown Mark throws, he's giving away the ball to the other team and only completing 56% while only averaging 217 yards a game.

With half as many attempts per game Timmy's efficiency overall is better than or the same as Mark's only without the high turnovers and the same average number of touchdowns per game. Much lower risk and less negative plays. Plus you get more total yards rushing per game and man coverage versus zone coverage.

Mark's playoff wins are impressive, but he was not asked to carry the load: he had low Touchdown numbers and attempts and still turned the ball over in critical moments. Add in his sack numbers, 39 for the season, and he's not reading the coverages well enough pre-snap.

Its valid to say that Tim Tebow could replace Mark at any point for those reasons alone. So, not absurd to question who will be the starter going forward. Had Tebow never been traded to the Jets, I'd not question anything that you say. Also, Mcelroy will be in street clothes most games and maybe gets some reps with the practice squad. He's not won any games in this league.

[Justone]

That 56% completion by Sanchez is on a lot more attempts along with 26 turnovers. So for 10% more passes completed than Tebow, you get an average of 1 turnover a game more but with less yards per attempt completed. So, for every touchdown Mark throws, he's giving away the ball to the other team and only completing 56% while only averaging 217 yards a game.

With half as many attempts per game Timmy's efficiency overall is better than or the same as Mark's only without the high turnovers and the same average number of touchdowns per game. Much lower risk and less negative plays. Plus you get more total yards rushing per game and man coverage versus zone coverage.

Mark's playoff wins are impressive, but he was not asked to carry the load: he had low Touchdown numbers and attempts and still turned the ball over in critical moments. Add in his sack numbers, 39 for the season, and he's not reading the coverages well enough pre-snap.

Its valid to say that Tim Tebow could replace Mark at any point for those reasons alone. So, not absurd to question who will be the starter going forward. Had Tebow never been traded to the Jets, I'd not question anything that you say. Also, Mcelroy will be in street clothes most games and maybe gets some reps with the practice squad. He's not won any games in this league.

I'm confused here and I need this answered. Are you a long time Jets fan or have you just converted because of Tim?

I'm not trying to bash Tebow, I'm really not. I jsut don't see it. I love his attitude and he has grown on me over the years. I just don't think that at this point in time he can hold Sanchez's jock strap when it comes to playing QB in the NFL. College yes but not the NFL. I dont' care about his arm angle, religion, or anything other then what he has done on the field because like i said in my last post all I care about is the jets winning. I have been living in this hell too long.

So you can look at/finagle numbers all you want. The bottom line is Sanchez is a better NFL QB then Tebow. Everything and i mean everything shows that. If you take Tebow's one year 4th qtr miracles out of the equation it would be laughable. His stats are laguhable even when you include those 4th qtr miracles. Will that BS keep up. NOT A CHANCE.

Now i hope he comes in and continues to work. I dont' think jets fans are ready to give up on a guy who has brought more success to the jets then any other QB has ever done outside of Joe. I can do without the negativity on Sanchez on this message board i get it enough in the media. You want to cheer for Tebow go ahead but enough of thinking this kid is a NFL QB at this point of his career. Enough of trying to convince legit jets fans that he is better then the one we have had the last 3 years. Only fans that will agree are SOJF.

[Wolf Brother]

So you can look at/finagle numbers all you want. The bottom line is Sanchez is a better NFL QB then Tebow. Everything and i mean everything shows that. If you take Tebow's one year 4th qtr miracles out of the equation it would be laughable. His stats are laguhable even when you include those 4th qtr miracles. Will that BS keep up. NOT A CHANCE.

Now i hope he comes in and continues to work. I dont' think jets fans are ready to give up on a guy who has brought more success to the jets then any other QB has ever done outside of Joe. I can do without the negativity on Sanchez on this message board i get it enough in the media. You want to cheer for Tebow go ahead but enough of thinking this kid is a NFL QB at this point of his career. Enough of trying to convince legit jets fans that he is better then the one we have had the last 3 years. Only fans that will agree are SOJF.
I hear what you're saying. Hopefully, Mark balls-out and just plays like he does in the Playoffs every game in 2012. Then there's not a problem. And proves that he's the leader of the team, and Tebow is just another player on the team. Maybe Tebow gets cut next year or traded to another team or to the CFL. Who knows? Not gonna convince someone who is legit. Aaron Rogers put to rest any talk of Bret Favre. Just ball-out, Mark.

[Shiloh]

I don't like the fact that the Jets used resources on a position they didn't need when they had a lot of pressing needs. I think Tebow is a good football player, just not a good quarterback. Now when those pressing needs rear their ugly heads, the Jets QB will pay for it and will also have a fan/media favorite there being pushed into his spot as if the QB is the only problem. I also don't like the fact that their are a bunch of grown men who follow this guy around and talk about him like he's a great quarterback who can do no wrong when any sane person can see he's really not that. It's weird, creepy and delusional.

I use jesuscat because someone else posted it a while ago and I thought it was funny.

I hope Tebow helps the Jets win football games.


Alrighty, thank you for clearing that up :) I disagree on a few points, but I probably don't need to go into that. I know there are really huge fans of his out there...however, I've run into very few--if any--that believe he can do no wrong. Not to say they aren't out there...just seem to be few and far between.

I also hope he helps the Jets win games.

[NY Dork]

What most of those who don't understand this trade is that Tebow isn't just a backup QB. He's a backup who is a bonifide football player. H-back, running back, wildcat. slot receiver...whatever. The game is changing. Many fans and even some NFL coaches just don't get it yet. A new era has arrived. The reason why the Bradfords, Mc Coys and other first rounders fail is the league has changed and unless you've weathered 10 years under center and can read a defense like Brees, Manning, or Brady....you will struggle if you can't run a versatile offense.

Tebow can run and pass and those teams who think he can't will get hurt badly this year when the Jets choose to use him. Throw out the old playbooks and
buckle your seatbelts. Innovation at the QB position is the new game in the NFL......

[#1 Jets Fan]

The problem is that anyone that says anything positive about Tebow is labeled a Tebot, fanboy or delusional.

What would you call me? creepy and delusional perhaps? (I am not saying you did but just making a point).

If you did you would be wrong. Look at what I have said about the sanchez versus Tebow debate outside of this thread...yet I am constantly being called a Tebot or a Tebow fan boy on these forums.

here read it:Also people that say anything bad about Tebow there label a hater.

[CowboysFan]

Also people that say anything bad about Tebow there label a hater.

You might be right.

[RobertPooner]

Also people that say anything bad about Tebow there label a hater.

Only if their tired and repeated rants fly in the face of logic. Then yes, you are a hater, that goes for anyone else rich and famous.

[Demosthenes9]

Being a good football player and quarterback is one and the same in my opinion. Somehow, calling Tebow a great football player is an implied knock. Which is hilarious. The problem I have with this plan is that if you have two quarterbacks that you can play, it means that you have none. So you have to pick one guy. The notion that you can play Tebow and Sanchez, as in, get your cake and eat it too, will not work and will fail. It has to be one or the other. If you trully believe in Mark, then hand him the keys. But that's not fair to Tebow after you traded for him, imo because then you're not making it a competition. If you're hoping to drive Sanchez with competition, then it needs to be a real genuine competition, not this pseudo-competition. Honestly, it only further validates the knock on Sanchez as someone who mentally is not tough and cannot actually handle the competition and needs to be coddled while other guys are being given the no-nonsense approach. And to me, I don't want that guy leading my team. I want the guy who two years ago would have understood why a Mark Brunell is getting reps in practice because I have to elevate my play, and get better and that won't happen.

Can't see how it isn't fair to Tebow as he knew before he was signed that he'd be coming in as the backup QB and that Sanchez was the starter.

As to the notion of "if you have 2 QBs, then you have none", I guess someone should have explained that to Urban Meyer the year he won his first NCAA Championship. Chris Leak was the 1st string QB and Tebow came in on short yardage situations and whenever else Meyer felt like sending him in. That was Leak's 4th year as starting QB and it was his second highest in total yards and touchdowns as well. Perhaps that might have been a small drop in production, but still very good numbers.

[Burnz]

Can't see how it isn't fair to Tebow as he knew before he was signed that he'd be coming in as the backup QB and that Sanchez was the starter.

As to the notion of "if you have 2 QBs, then you have none", I guess someone should have explained that to Urban Meyer the year he won his first NCAA Championship. Chris Leak was the 1st string QB and Tebow came in on short yardage situations and whenever else Meyer felt like sending him in. That was Leak's 4th year as starting QB and it was his second highest in total yards and touchdowns as well. Perhaps that might have been a small drop in production, but still very good numbers.

College vs. NFL

Not much to say after that

[Demosthenes9]

College vs. NFL

Not much to say after that

How so ? Any time I hear the "college v. NFL" position, the argument is that defenses are bigger, faster, better in the NFL than in college. With what is being discussed, that wouldn't apply.

So, yeah, it would help if you would explain why it made a difference that it was in college. If anything, I'd say being in college would make it worse as the QBs involved wouldn't be mature enough to handle it.

[Jim-Jet]

What a players does in college doesn't always equate to what you will get in the NFL but if you think college is irrelevant you are on another planet. There are a great many NFL scouts that would disagree with you and front offices could save a whole lot of money and time not paying attention to college players. The draft could be an hour of pulling names out of a hat. Is college ball the same as the NFL - yes it is still football - but just a whole lot harder to learn and better players to compete against.

[displacedfan]

What a players does in college doesn't always equate to what you will get in the NFL but if you think college is irrelevant you are on another planet. There are a great many NFL scouts that would disagree with you and front offices could save a whole lot of money and time not paying attention to college players. The draft could be an hour of pulling names out of a hat. Is college ball the same as the NFL - yes it is still football - but just a whole lot harder to learn and better players to compete against.

But college stats and achievements are not more of an accurate judge of skill when a player has accumulated stats in the NFL. You can use college stats to predict how a player is going to perform and what they are going to do, but once they start playing in the NFL, it is much better to judge from those stats

[ShaneFalco@MileHigh]

Tebow will become starter. You cant fight gravity. I watched this all happen last season in Denver. There is no point in fighting it.

[Catt_County]

I, for one, am hoping that Tebow puts Sanchez on the bench. :rofl: