Jeramy Kerley just quoted to say

[LAJet]

People underestimate Tebow's arm strenght. He has more zip and velocity than Sanchez. He really brings it in. Just heard that on Collin Cowheard's show. Nothing spectacular but surely wish we could stop our players from making such cavalier and unnecessary comments to a media that is loaded to bear for controversy and shady reporting to sell selective pieces of information.
Have you guys heard that?

[DMarsh6]

People underestimate Tebow's arm strenght. He has more zip and velocity than Sanchez. He really brings it in. Just heard that on Collin Cowheard's show. Nothing spectacular but surely wish we could stop our players from making such cavalier and unnecessary comments to a media that is loaded to bear for controversy and shady reporting to sell selective pieces of information.
Have you guys heard that?

Yeah I saw it on twitter. He said he has a lot of zip but to me it means nothing. I agree with you I don't know why he would say that because you know espn will have a field day with it.

[iJet]

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[xmscott]

Jamarcus Russell had a cannon for an arm.

Where did that get him?

CBS ran an article saying Tebow's are is far better than Sanchez's.

Kerley said Tebow is more accurate than he thought it would be. Never did he compare the two. But the media jumps on it and people read what they see. Not how it really was.


Getting sad. Good luck Sanchez.

[jetsaholic10]

Even if Tebow does have a stronger arm than Sanchez, why would Kerley say the words "alot stronger"? No matter what he thinks, he shouldn't be saying shit like that. "Yeah, our backup has a stronger arm than our starter" is what it sounds like, not cool. You gotta back up your QB, not fuel the fire of Tebowmania.

[Demosthenes9]

Even if Tebow does have a stronger arm than Sanchez, why would Kerley say the words "alot stronger"? No matter what he thinks, he shouldn't be saying shit like that. "Yeah, our backup has a stronger arm than our starter" is what it sounds like, not cool. You gotta back up your QB, not fuel the fire of Tebowmania.

I don't know, perhaps it's because he's a football player who understands that it takes more than a strong arm to be a good QB ?

What's next ? Gonna criticize a player who flat out states that Tebow is more muscular and stronger than Sanchez ?

Furthermore, saying that Tebow has the stronger arm only says that Tebow has a stronger arm. It doesn't say, or imply that Sanchez has a weak arm.

[Bannon]

I think Kerley should have complimented his teammate, and left it at that. No need to bring Sanchez into it. And if that was the question he was asked, he needs to learn to deflect that kind of question.

[ukjetsfan]

This all starts at the top of the organization. Tanny actually said that if Sanchez goes three and out three times in a row and they put Tebow in and he moves the ball, he might get more playing time.

It's not that what he said was ridiculous, it was the fact that he didn't realize the way it could be spun and the subtle pressure it would add to the whole situation. Sometimes it seems like the entire Jets organization has no idea how to deal with the media, no idea that what they say will have repercussions.

[Demosthenes9]

I think Kerley should have complimented his teammate, and left it at that. No need to bring Sanchez into it. And if that was the question he was asked, he needs to learn to deflect that kind of question.

Why ? No one would ever accuse Joe Montana of having a super strong arm, yet he's one of the best QBs to have ever played the game.

[ukjetsfan]

Why ? No one would ever accuse Joe Montana of having a super strong arm, yet he's one of the best QBs to have ever played the game.

Why? The amount of media attention the Sanchez-Tebow situation is getting, and you can ask why?

[Bannon]

Why ? No one would ever accuse Joe Montana of having a super strong arm, yet he's one of the best QBs to have ever played the game.

I think it's probably fraught with hurt feelings and controversy to compare teammates, as a rule. This guy is faster than that guy, or this one catches better than that one. You can get on the nerves of the teammate, and create a media quote for your teammates to have to deal with.

Probably better to just compliment the one, leave the other out of it.

[CowboysFan]

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[Demosthenes9]

Why? The amount of media attention the Sanchez-Tebow situation is getting, and you can ask why?

I think it's probably fraught with hurt feelings and controversy to compare teammates, as a rule. This guy is faster than that guy, or this one catches better than that one. You can get on the nerves of the teammate, and create a media quote for your teammates to have to deal with.

Probably better to just compliment the one, leave the other out of it.

I understand what you all are saying, and by and large, I agree with the thought overall. But there's some things that are just so inconsequential in my opinion, things that a team mate wouldn't be upset about.

It's like if guys were working out and they were asked what Tebow bench pressed and what Sanchez benched. Or if they ran wind sprints and Tebow ran faster.

I would be concerned if Kerley had said that Tebow was more accurate than Sanchez, or a better passer, but just saying that he throws harder ? As others have talked about, "throwing harder" doesn't say much of anything.

[Bannon]

I understand what you all are saying, and by and large, I agree with the thought overall. But there's some things that are just so inconsequential in my opinion, things that a team mate wouldn't be upset about.

It's like if guys were working out and they were asked what Tebow bench pressed and what Sanchez benched. Or if they ran wind sprints and Tebow ran faster.

I would be concerned if Kerley had said that Tebow was more accurate than Sanchez, or a better passer, but just saying that he throws harder ? As others have talked about, "throwing harder" doesn't say much of anything.

You're right. It's not a big deal. I don't think it's an "infraction" by Kerley where's wrong. I just think, as a rule, you stay away from bringing another teammate into it when you're trying to describe something. It's one of those "bad ideas."

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Are we really concerned with anyone's feelings? c'mon.

[Demosthenes9]

You're right. It's not a big deal. I don't think it's an "infraction" by Kerley where's wrong. I just think, as a rule, you stay away from bringing another teammate into it when you're trying to describe something. It's one of those "bad ideas."

Oh, I definitely agree with that. I mean, he shouldn't have just volunteered a comparison, but if he was asked about it directly, I just don't see any harm in this one.

[Demosthenes9]

Are we really concerned with anyone's feelings? c'mon.

Ummm, yeah, feelings often do come into play.

[stephenpe]

If anyone would understand how the media operates it would NYers. They will search any and all quotes about TT and use it to stir the drink. But player X probably should have not told the truth but some people just do.

[CervezaVerde]

Even if Tebow does have a stronger arm than Sanchez, why would Kerley say the words "alot stronger"? No matter what he thinks, he shouldn't be saying shit like that. "Yeah, our backup has a stronger arm than our starter" is what it sounds like, not cool. You gotta back up your QB, not fuel the fire of Tebowmania.

Jeremy Kerley attended TCU. That's Texas Christian University. So he's both a Southerner and a Christian. Total conspiracy!:drunk:

[abyzmul]

They probably asked every Jets receiver and right end to compare Sanchez and Tebow and this is the best they could come up with in terms of sensationalism. What a joke.

[Potzer]

In college Urban was quoted to say "Tim its great you can make the receivers hands hurt, but they've gotta catch these balls."

So, this doesn't surprise me at all.

I can't wait to see if he's more comfortable throwing the football after this off-season.

:popcorn:

[whichfan]

He didn't just say strength. He also said more accurate than he expected which is simply another example of REALITY trumping perception and misconception about Tebow. Something that anyone that's actually paid attention to Tebow for a long time already knows.

Just the truth coming out. Nothing surprising to me.

[Barcs]

Blah, it's all media drama. It's not like this changes anything. Kerley's allowed to say what he wants. The media can draw whatever cornball conclusions they want from it. They are nothing and their opinion isn't going to change the way our coaches run the team. I'm excited for this year's training camp, especially because of guys like Kerley.

[GA Jets]

He forgot to mention that although Tebow throws harder, it take him a lot longer to get rid of the ball.

[VanderbiltJets]

He didn't just say strength. He also said more accurate than he expected which is simply another example of REALITY trumping perception and misconception about Tebow.

Correct. However, it does not imply that the accuracy stands anywhere in particular when compared to other NFL QB's (unless he stated "more accurate than I expected AND more accurate than Sanchez").

[displacedfan]

Good to hear. I always though Tebow threw harder. I remember when Favre came in after Pennington and receivers were saying it was such a difference haha. This was also in practice that Kerley was surprised by his accuracy. I hope Tebow was accurate in practice since it was practice.

[Jetfanmack]

Saying Tebow has a strong arm doesn't necessarily mean anything. We know Tebow has a strong arm. It would be one thing if Sanchez had a weak arm like Chad, and that was the issue. But Sanchez's arm is fine. Tebow throwing harder means nothing.

As for accuracy, while I don't doubt Tebow was more accurate than he expected, what is he supposed to say, "The critics were right, this guy is the least accurate QB I've ever played with?

Its a story because Tebow gets ratings , so networks want as much Tebow news as possible.

If Kerley said Tebow was more accurate or a better QB than Sanchez, THEN we would have a big story. But Tebow has always had a good arm, his problem is that his windup is absurdly long and his accuracy leaves a ton to be desired.

[#1 Jets Fan]

Please post one thing where Tebow arm strength was knocked?

[whichfan]

Correct. However, it does not imply that the accuracy stands anywhere in particular when compared to other NFL QB's (unless he stated "more accurate than I expected AND more accurate than Sanchez").

Well for one thing that's probably because he might have common sense and knows you can't actually compare that to anyone else in the NFL unless you make them both run exactly the same play or take target practice. For another all they care about is being able to run their drills and compared passes in this offense, so that NFL comparison has little interest to them.

He simply said the same thing every other receiver that played with him said. That his accuracy isn't an issue. It's a perception. That's all he said. He was surprised because everyone bought into the misconception and he may have too and realized it's a bunch of nonsense.

Something I have been saying forever. His "accuracy issue" is a perception bi product of his conservative playing style that enabled the Broncos to win which lowered his completion percentage(something that doesn't measure accuracy in the first place). Boy threw little and threw the ball away a lot. He didn't have the short field passing options needed to extend that offense's passing aspect, but he will have that here with the Jets. Those TE's were something that was missing in Denver, something like I have said before. Something other teams who tried to do this like Carolina put in place and worked wonders. The Jets have also addressed that in the draft by drafting someone familiar with what he does. He will be much improved reading defenses this year, and that's going to help him both take more chances and complete more passes short. His mechanics will not get in the way of his ability to throw the ball accurately and complete passes once those two issues are addressed this year.

I still don't expect him to force it though and start looking like a WCO quarterback. I never see that. I still don't expect him to complete at 65%. Most likely 55-60% tops but that's because I do expect him to end up at the top of the NFL in interception %. And that's what I like about him. He'll throw away 2-3 extra passes a game that he believes are in danger of being intercepted compared to your average QB which will complete 2 of those but the third will get picked off. And that right there will be the biggest key in winning/losing over the long term. Tim's very smart when it comes to that and has excellent discipline to identify and avoid the bad pass. He will continue to take that sack or throw the ball away, and if Rex is smart, he will never ask him to change that.

[Demosthenes9]

Well for one thing that's probably because he might have common sense and knows you can't actually compare that to anyone else in the NFL unless you make them both run exactly the same play or take target practice. For another all they care about is being able to run their drills and compared passes in this offense, so that NFL comparison has little interest to them.

He simply said the same thing every other receiver that played with him said. That his accuracy isn't an issue. It's a perception. That's all he said. He was surprised because everyone bought into the misconception and he may have too and realized it's a bunch of nonsense.

Something I have been saying forever. His "accuracy issue" is a perception bi product of his conservative playing style that enabled the Broncos to win which lowered his completion percentage(something that doesn't measure accuracy in the first place). Boy threw little and threw the ball away a lot. He didn't have the short field passing options needed to extend that offense's passing aspect, but he will have that here with the Jets. Those TE's were something that was missing in Denver, something like I have said before. Something other teams who tried to do this like Carolina put in place and worked wonders. The Jets have also addressed that in the draft by drafting someone familiar with what he does. He will be much improved reading defenses this year, and that's going to help him both take more chances and complete more passes short. His mechanics will not get in the way of his ability to throw the ball accurately and complete passes once those two issues are addressed this year.

I still don't expect him to force it though and start looking like a WCO quarterback. I never see that. I still don't expect him to complete at 65%. Most likely 55-60% tops but that's because I do expect him to end up at the top of the NFL in interception %. And that's what I like about him. He'll throw away 2-3 extra passes a game that he believes are in danger of being intercepted compared to your average QB which will complete 2 of those but the third will get picked off. And that right there will be the biggest key in winning/losing over the long term. Tim's very smart when it comes to that and has excellent discipline to identify and avoid the bad pass. He will continue to take that sack or throw the ball away, and if Rex is smart, he will never ask him to change that.


Whichfan, have to say that you don't do yourself any favors by ignoring the fact that Tebow put a fair number of passes into the dirt or was otherwise wildly off target on them.

I completely agree with you that he threw many more passes away than other QBs would have, and that he also tried to be very protective of the ball, and tried to put passes where only the receiver stood a chance of catching them, BUT, he also just flat out missed a good number of passes. Wasn't even close on them.

[whichfan]

Whichfan, have to say that you don't do yourself any favors by ignoring the fact that Tebow put a fair number of passes into the dirt or was otherwise wildly off target on them.

I completely agree with you that he threw many more passes away than other QBs would have, and that he also tried to be very protective of the ball, and tried to put passes where only the receiver stood a chance of catching them, BUT, he also just flat out missed a good number of passes. Wasn't even close on them.


I don't ignore that. I realize that. And I also realized he threw some ugly bricks. But those things were infinitely amplified by the media, especially ESPN by them running "low lights" of those incidences over and over and over which is a typical propaganda technique to sway opinion and shape perception.

I also don't believe a lot of those ground passes, were actual misses. Some were, but a lot of that was him grounding the ball and not being called for intentional grounding. People only pay attention to "throwaways" and identify them as such if a quarterback throws it out of bounds. But QB's often throw away the ball by grounding it short and a lot of times it can be seen as a miss and it's hard to identify as a throw away for most people watching. That's the ENTIRE idea, in order not to get called for it. For example his pass on 3rd down just before OT in the divisional game. Most people saw that as a wild miss. I saw that as the exact situation Ben Rothlisberger had earlier that game. Difference was Ben forced it and got picked off. Tebow put it wide left of his receiver. Yeah it was incomplete, but he was able to identify the threat and put it out of reach of his defender at the expense of it being out of reach of his receiver too. His man would have had to dive for it, else no one else got it. He grounded the ball in the middle of the field, because forcing a pass there would have resulted in what happened to Ben. The difference was, Ben didn't have the discipline. Tim, even knowing it's third down in a tied game, kept his composure. THAT is what I liked about this kid. That is such a huge quality. He doesn't panic, and doesn't let the pressure of the moment affect his discipline. That right there is the demon of the QB most of the time. Ben fell to it. Tebow made the right move, and preferred to put it back on his D and go to OT.

He does things like that a lot. He's aware of the "undercut" by defenders. Some QBs throw with anticipation. Tebow does a pretty good job of anticipating his defender's ability to undercut routes. And places the ball outside their area of reach which a lot of times appear as wild misses. Not saying all of them, but a lot of times that's what happened.

A lot of times it means his receivers don't get to it. You will notice him doing this a lot when passing on short digs and curls routes, which are some of the easiest passes to complete in terms of accuracy. A lot of people see those as wild misses. And I think it's ridiculous for anyone to see those 5 yard incompletions as wild misses for any NFL QB unless he's getting tackled or throwing on the run. Nobody misses that badly, including you, if you threw a football that short having never touched a football in your life.

Those are the types of routes that easily get undercut, especially if timing isn't right, which is often an issue of Tebow, not just because of his footwork which needs work, but because of his scrambling, timing goes out the window. So he ends up in situations where defenders have locked in on the fact his dig or curl receiver is his only target, Tebow has to make that pass anyway, and so he'll notice that defender locked in on it in a position to undercut it, and throw it 5 yards back of his receivers where it can't be undercut. In that situation it makes his receiver do extra work.

But again a lot of that is a bi-product of the offense he ran and him reading defenses pre-snap. I'm very confident this will pretty much be a non-issue when playing with the Jets.

But what a lot of people see as a "flaw" because of how it "appears" I see as his greatest quality as a passer. That's amazing that he can remain that disciplined in those moments of pressure and ultimately make that right decision imo.

[JET'S_my_name]

I remember reading somewhere that John Fox told Tebow to "beach it" instead of throw it to where a defender might could pick it off if people weren't open.

[catfish]

I remember reading somewhere that John Fox told Tebow to "beach it" instead of throw it to where a defender might could pick it off if people weren't open.

he actually went into detail on the subject in the infamous game film interview where he says Tebow would be "screwed" running a tradtitional offense. He goes over a bounce pass and points out what Tebow was seeing and why it was a good decision. It is actually a very good interview

[Demosthenes9]

I don't ignore that. I realize that. And I also realized he threw some ugly bricks. But those things were infinitely amplified by the media, especially ESPN by them running "low lights" of those incidences over and over and over which is a typical propaganda technique to sway opinion and shape perception.

I also don't believe a lot of those ground passes, were actual misses. Some were, but a lot of that was him grounding the ball and not being called for intentional grounding. People only pay attention to "throwaways" and identify them as such if a quarterback throws it out of bounds. But QB's often throw away the ball by grounding it short and a lot of times it can be seen as a miss and it's hard to identify as a throw away for most people watching. That's the ENTIRE idea, in order not to get called for it. For example his pass on 3rd down just before OT in the divisional game. Most people saw that as a wild miss. I saw that as the exact situation Ben Rothlisberger had earlier that game. Difference was Ben forced it and got picked off. Tebow put it wide left of his receiver. Yeah it was incomplete, but he was able to identify the threat and put it out of reach of his defender at the expense of it being out of reach of his receiver too. His man would have had to dive for it, else no one else got it. He grounded the ball in the middle of the field, because forcing a pass there would have resulted in what happened to Ben. The difference was, Ben didn't have the discipline. Tim, even knowing it's third down in a tied game, kept his composure. THAT is what I liked about this kid. That is such a huge quality. He doesn't panic, and doesn't let the pressure of the moment affect his discipline. That right there is the demon of the QB most of the time. Ben fell to it. Tebow made the right move, and preferred to put it back on his D and go to OT.

He does things like that a lot. He's aware of the "undercut" by defenders. Some QBs throw with anticipation. Tebow does a pretty good job of anticipating his defender's ability to undercut routes. And places the ball outside their area of reach which a lot of times appear as wild misses. Not saying all of them, but a lot of times that's what happened.

A lot of times it means his receivers don't get to it. You will notice him doing this a lot when passing on short digs and curls routes, which are some of the easiest passes to complete in terms of accuracy. A lot of people see those as wild misses. And I think it's ridiculous for anyone to see those 5 yard incompletions as wild misses for any NFL QB unless he's getting tackled or throwing on the run. Nobody misses that badly, including you, if you threw a football that short having never touched a football in your life.

Those are the types of routes that easily get undercut, especially if timing isn't right, which is often an issue of Tebow, not just because of his footwork which needs work, but because of his scrambling, timing goes out the window. So he ends up in situations where defenders have locked in on the fact his dig or curl receiver is his only target, Tebow has to make that pass anyway, and so he'll notice that defender locked in on it in a position to undercut it, and throw it 5 yards back of his receivers where it can't be undercut. In that situation it makes his receiver do extra work.

But again a lot of that is a bi-product of the offense he ran and him reading defenses pre-snap. I'm very confident this will pretty much be a non-issue when playing with the Jets.

But what a lot of people see as a "flaw" because of how it "appears" I see as his greatest quality as a passer. That's amazing that he can remain that disciplined in those moments of pressure and ultimately make that right decision imo.

My friend, I understand the concept of beaching it or intentionally throwing it into the dirt. The thing is, there were way too many passes last year where you can clearly see that a receiver was wide open, and Tebow just flat out missed him and you can tell because of the look on Tebow's face after he missed.

Funny thing is that he was a much better passer in college.

I have, and will continue to argue that Tebow's problem wasn't his "accuracy", rather, it was that he was highly inconsistent. He was no Brady or Rodgers mind you, but there were many times, even on shorter routes where he put the ball dead on the money and you know that's where he meant to put it. But as mentioned, there were other times where he just flat out missed.

In my opinion, the tinkering with his mechanics and throwing motion haven't become second nature to him. They aren't burned into this muscle memory. What this leads to is him actually thinking about his mechanics and footwork while trying to throw the ball.

think about a golfer getting ready to drive a ball. If on his backswing, he is consciously thinking about keeping his back a certain way, rotating his shoulders, bending his right elbow while keeping his left elbow straight, breaking his wrists at the appropriate angle, bringing the club shaft parallel to the ground, yada, yada, yada. Then, on the downswing, he thinks about turning his wrists at the right time, pivoting his hips, yada, yada, yada.

Guess what happens if a guy thinks about all that while trying to hit a ball ? Odds are that he will totally fark up the shot. IF you have to think about all that stuff, you do so while you are taking your practice swings. Once ready, you need to just walk up, get in position, find your target and then swing away.

[NY Dork]

Tebow threw 6 interceptions during the regular season which fit the Fox conservative style of football. The Broncos were ranked third in most drops by recievers in the league. Because of the lower number of underneath routes and short passes and the high number of long downfield attempts, his completion rate was lower than most starting QB's. Both measures are proof he isn't wildly innaccurate, just cautious. During crunch time and when gambling was a necessity, his completion percentage jumped much higher. The Jet's game being a perfect example.

[TwoHeadedMonster]

I hear Ducasse has a strong arm, too. Dude benches more than Tebow and Sanchez combined. Maybe he should be the QB!

I wish nothing but the best for Timmy while he wears green and white, but you Tebots need to take some tranquilizers.

[Tanny Glover]

Tebow is obvi stronger then Sanchez but whose more accurate? Sanchez.

Thats why he's the #1 QB

[reverseapachemaster]

Tebow for RT.

[TwoHeadedMonster]

Tebow for RT.

This! It's GENIUS!!!!!!!! Best idea I've heard in weeks!

[cval]

In the NFL you have to throw receivers open and put balls into tight windows. Tebow has not shown he could do either. His biggest criticism is not his accuracy but his ability to read a defense or willingness to throw to a receiver unless they are wide open.

If Tebow wants to be a starting QB in the NFL for the long hall he needs to get better at throwing from the pocket and reading defenses. As the old saying goes there are a lot of young running QB's but no old ones.

Maybe his throwing motion would get better if he cut down on the weights a bit.

As for Sanchez he needs get better at reading defenses also or he will be out of the league. For us Jets fans that will mean us starting over yet again.

Tebow or no Tebow if Sanchez fails Rex and Tanny will be gone.

[Ajitator]

Nothing wrong with our 3rd/4th string WR saying our Backup QB has an arm.

/filler