Champ Bailey talks Tebow and the Jets

[CowboysFan]

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NEW YORK -- Champ Bailey looks at "Tebowmania," the passionate fan frenzy that follows Tim Tebow wherever he goes, in a very realistic way.
"Roll with it," the veteran Broncos cornerback said today at the unveiling of the new Nike NFL uniforms in Brooklyn. "You can't stop it."

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At the unveiling of Nike's new NFL uniforms, the Giants Victor Cruz dances the salsa and the Jets Shonn Greene talks about new teammate Tim Tebow. Video by John Munson/The Star-Ledger
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Bailey saw firsthand the swell of Tebow supporters in Denver last year, as the young quarterback took over the starting job and led the Broncos to a division title and first-round playoff win. Now that Tebow has been traded to the Jets, Bailey said starter Mark Sanchez should be on notice.
"He’s going to challenge him, absolutely," Bailey said. "Sanchez can't be too comfortable in his seat. He's just got to keep playing, play well, and he doesn’t have to worry about it. But if he doesn’t play well, we all know what is going to happen next."
The 13-year veteran's advice for Sanchez was to stay focused on his own work -- which is what Sanchez is doing in training sessions out in Southern California -- and not get caught up in the speculation, because that's how players can lose their jobs.
The Jets have repeatedly and publicly asserted that Sanchez is their starter, and Tebow will back him up and run a package of Wildcat and direct-snap plays. This is a delicate balance contingent on Sanchez taking a step forward from an inconsistent 2011 season, and Tebow taking a step back from his former starting role with the Broncos.
"I'm sure he’ll do it. Will he like doing it for the rest of his career? I don’t think so," Bailey said of Tebow. "I think this is a short-term thing. The guy is going to be a starter at some point, whether here or somewhere else, because he's going to work to get it done."
Both Sanchez and Tebow have publicly said all the right things since the trade two weeks ago, but those who know Tebow say he's planning to compete to be a starter again.
"The thing I love about Tebow is, when I see him give interviews, I know exactly what he is talking about," said Vikings receiver Percy Harvin, Tebow's college teammate at Florida. "For anybody to think he's not going in there to win the starting job, you'd be fooling yourself. Sanchez and those guys, they want to sit back and say how calm and cool and they're not worried about it. Anybody other than Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, some names like that -- if you have Tebow coming to your team, you have a situation."
While Tebow had success running an option-style attack for the Broncos last year, he has been criticized for his passing and his ability to run a conventional offense. Harvin, who played with Tebow for three seasons at Florida, admitted Tebow "doesn't throw the best ball." But Harvin added that he "never, ever, ever had a problem" with Tebow's passes.
Bailey says Tebow is focused on improving.
"I absolutely think he can be a starting quarterback," Bailey said. "I know he's not content with the way he plays right now. He wants to get better at a lot of different things. If he gets better, he’ll be a consistent starter in this league at some point."
Bailey had no shortage of praise for his former teammate. He called him a "great kid" and added, "I love him to death." Even though Tebowmania became hectic at times, Bailey said, Tebow made it easier on his teammates by handling it with class and professionalism.
He also pushed those around him by being a "great competitor," Bailey said. He expects that will transfer to the Jets locker room.
"I think once Sanchez sees how hard (Tebow) works – I don’t know anything about Sanchez, but it’s going to make him even work harder," Bailey said. "I'm sure he's a hard worker now, but when you see guys doing things very well, it makes you want to do them better because guys are always trying to take your spot."

[packersfan]

NEW YORK -- Champ Bailey looks at "Tebowmania," the passionate fan frenzy that follows Tim Tebow wherever he goes, in a very realistic way.
"Roll with it," the veteran Broncos cornerback said today at the unveiling of the new Nike NFL uniforms in Brooklyn. "You can't stop it."

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At the unveiling of Nike's new NFL uniforms, the Giants Victor Cruz dances the salsa and the Jets Shonn Greene talks about new teammate Tim Tebow. Video by John Munson/The Star-Ledger
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Bailey saw firsthand the swell of Tebow supporters in Denver last year, as the young quarterback took over the starting job and led the Broncos to a division title and first-round playoff win. Now that Tebow has been traded to the Jets, Bailey said starter Mark Sanchez should be on notice.
"He’s going to challenge him, absolutely," Bailey said. "Sanchez can't be too comfortable in his seat. He's just got to keep playing, play well, and he doesn’t have to worry about it. But if he doesn’t play well, we all know what is going to happen next."
The 13-year veteran's advice for Sanchez was to stay focused on his own work -- which is what Sanchez is doing in training sessions out in Southern California -- and not get caught up in the speculation, because that's how players can lose their jobs.
The Jets have repeatedly and publicly asserted that Sanchez is their starter, and Tebow will back him up and run a package of Wildcat and direct-snap plays. This is a delicate balance contingent on Sanchez taking a step forward from an inconsistent 2011 season, and Tebow taking a step back from his former starting role with the Broncos.
"I'm sure he’ll do it. Will he like doing it for the rest of his career? I don’t think so," Bailey said of Tebow. "I think this is a short-term thing. The guy is going to be a starter at some point, whether here or somewhere else, because he's going to work to get it done."
Both Sanchez and Tebow have publicly said all the right things since the trade two weeks ago, but those who know Tebow say he's planning to compete to be a starter again.
"The thing I love about Tebow is, when I see him give interviews, I know exactly what he is talking about," said Vikings receiver Percy Harvin, Tebow's college teammate at Florida. "For anybody to think he's not going in there to win the starting job, you'd be fooling yourself. Sanchez and those guys, they want to sit back and say how calm and cool and they're not worried about it. Anybody other than Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, some names like that -- if you have Tebow coming to your team, you have a situation."
While Tebow had success running an option-style attack for the Broncos last year, he has been criticized for his passing and his ability to run a conventional offense. Harvin, who played with Tebow for three seasons at Florida, admitted Tebow "doesn't throw the best ball." But Harvin added that he "never, ever, ever had a problem" with Tebow's passes.
Bailey says Tebow is focused on improving.
"I absolutely think he can be a starting quarterback," Bailey said. "I know he's not content with the way he plays right now. He wants to get better at a lot of different things. If he gets better, he’ll be a consistent starter in this league at some point."
Bailey had no shortage of praise for his former teammate. He called him a "great kid" and added, "I love him to death." Even though Tebowmania became hectic at times, Bailey said, Tebow made it easier on his teammates by handling it with class and professionalism.
He also pushed those around him by being a "great competitor," Bailey said. He expects that will transfer to the Jets locker room.
"I think once Sanchez sees how hard (Tebow) works – I don’t know anything about Sanchez, but it’s going to make him even work harder," Bailey said. "I'm sure he's a hard worker now, but when you see guys doing things very well, it makes you want to do them better because guys are always trying to take your spot."[/QUOTE]


Thanks! Great article. I love to hear what his former teammates say. They are in the trenches with him day in and day out.

[Jets1Zero]

Kind of tired of every player and their mom telling the media what Tebow intends to do, despite Tebow openly stating that he is here to work with Sanchez and to help the Jets any way he can.

[Slap]

Champ Bailey has been a classy player and a team leader for as long as he's been in the NFL. He also is willing to take a stand when he believes it's necessary. Bailey was the Bronco who finally said enough was enough with the Josh McDaniels experiment. His words were what it finally took to open Pat Bowlen's eyes about just how horribly incompetent McDaniels was as a football coach and as a leader of men.

I know he had a fondness for Tebow. Just about everybody in the Bronco lockerroom had respect for Tim, primarily because he's a very tough man who doesn't get discouraged no matter how badly things happen to be going at any particular time. There were very few Broncos who didn't like and support Tebow. One of the few who didn't, Brandon Lloyd, was traded away before his negativity could infect the lockerroom after Tebow took over as the starter.

Of course, the irrational segment of Tebow's supporters (a percentage of individuals which is open to debate) seized upon the Lloyd trade as a sign the front office wanted Tebow to fail. The stupidity of these people and their inability to discern fact from paranoid fantasy is indisputable. Most of the people on this board have only seen the tip of that iceberg.

[nyjunc]

Is it a shock that Tebow wants to be the starter? so does Greg McElroy but that doesn't mean either have a chance. If tebow didn't have the desire to be a starter I'd be more concerned

[CowboysFan]

Champ Bailey has been a classy player and a team leader for as long as he's been in the NFL. He also is willing to take a stand when he believes it's necessary. Bailey was the Bronco who finally said enough was enough with the Josh McDaniels experiment. His words were what it finally took to open Pat Bowlen's eyes about just how horribly incompetent McDaniels was as a football coach and as a leader of men.

I know he had a fondness for Tebow. Just about everybody in the Bronco lockerroom had respect for Tim, primarily because he's a very tough man who doesn't get discouraged no matter how badly things happen to be going at any particular time. There were very few Broncos who didn't like and support Tebow. One of the few who didn't, Brandon Lloyd, was traded away before his negativity could infect the lockerroom after Tebow took over as the starter.

Of course, the irrational segment of Tebow's supporters (a percentage of individuals which is open to debate) seized upon the Lloyd trade as a sign the front office wanted Tebow to fail. The stupidity of these people and their inability to discern fact from paranoid fantasy is indisputable. Most of the people on this board have only seen the tip of that iceberg.

Great post, well said.

[CowboysFan]

Kind of tired of every player and their mom telling the media what Tebow intends to do, despite Tebow openly stating that he is here to work with Sanchez and to help the Jets any way he can.

Its the relentless pressure of the media trying to get a Tebow story, last night on NFL access they literally forced two stories about Tebow that made no sense.

They were asking Vick about Tebow, the media has to back off or they actually might ruin the guy's career.

[FakeSpike13]

Its the relentless pressure of the media trying to get a Tebow story, last night on NFL access they literally forced two stories about Tebow that made no sense.

They were asking Vick about Tebow, the media has to back off or they actually might ruin the guy's career.

That might be exactly what they want....Many in the media have spoken in finite terms when projecting Tebow as an NFL QB...

Most never left a "he could improve with time" clause in their arguments, just that he can't be a QB and never will be.

With each win that defied conventional wisdom last year, their reputations were damaged. It was almost comical to see some of the talking heads like Keyshawn Johnson or Merril Hoge have to face the cameras after each Tebow come from behind victory.

Some of these guys would love to see nothing more than for Tebow to crash out of the league.

[pheasant]

Is it a shock that Tebow wants to be the starter? so does Greg McElroy but that doesn't mean either have a chance. If tebow didn't have the desire to be a starter I'd be more concerned
I agree with this.

Tebow should be striving to be the starter. That's the sign of a winner.

[Big Blocker]

With each win that defied conventional wisdom last year, their reputations were damaged. It was almost comical to see some of the talking heads like Keyshawn Johnson or Merril Hoge have to face the cameras after each Tebow come from behind victory.

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Don't feel sorry for those guys. They didn't look so comical when Denver lost four of its last five games. Including to the Kyle Orton led Kansas City Chiefs, who pretty much sucked last year.

[FakeSpike13]

Don't feel sorry for those guys. They didn't look so comical when Denver lost four of its last five games. Including to the Kyle Orton led Kansas City Chiefs, who pretty much sucked last year.

316 yards in the playoff victory....

Guys like Hoge said "it is embarrassing think the Broncos could win with Tebow"...

Yeah it was pretty embarassing.

[FakeSpike13]

Also funny how people have to grasp at the few late losses and ignore the nearly twice as many wins as if they didn't happen.

[Big Blocker]

316 yards in the playoff victory....

Guys like Hoge said "it is embarrassing think the Broncos could win with Tebow"...

Yeah it was pretty embarassing.

So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.

[catfish]

So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.

to be fair 2 of the losses were to the pats, and Denver gave up 40 point to them both times....only 1 team won a game last year while still giving up 40 points. The win was a record setting defeat of Pittsburg, who is no slouch.

The games he got graded down on on PFF was Miami, Detroit, 2nd KC game and Bills. All in all he finished 8-5 regardless of how when the wins came. Would it be any different had it been win 2, lose 2, win 3, lose2, win 3, lose 1?

[displacedfan]

So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.

Don't you know every win was because of Tebow and every loss was not because of Tebow? Nothing is ever Tebow's fault like nothing is ever Sanchez's fault. The team let him down, except when they won and then he carried the team

[catfish]

Don't you know every win was because of Tebow and every loss was not because of Tebow? Nothing is ever Tebow's fault like nothing is ever Sanchez's fault. The team let him down, except when they won and then he carried the team

Haven't seen anyone say it was all Tebow on the wins, or all the D on the losses, seen plenty of the opposite. Realistically the D played a majority role in the win streak with the exception of the Minn game. They also were largely responsible for the losses as they were the only team to give up 40 point more than 2 times(they did it 5) when a team gives up 40 points it wins less than 1% of the time. All in all Denver only won 1 game where the D played poor and only lost 1 game where the d played great

[Slap]

to be fair 2 of the losses were to the pats, and Denver gave up 40 point to them both times....only 1 team won a game last year while still giving up 40 points. The win was a record setting defeat of Pittsburg, who is no slouch.

The games he got graded down on on PFF was Miami, Detroit, 2nd KC game and Bills. All in all he finished 8-5 regardless of how when the wins came. Would it be any different had it been win 2, lose 2, win 3, lose2, win 3, lose 1?

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[catfish]

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the offense was 26th in DSR(measure % of drives that result in a first down or a TD), not good, not the worst either. Better than Chicago and KC though and both their defenses managed to do ok.The real problem was the fumble rate which was the 2nd worst in the NFL. The D did pretty good causing 3/outs, but poor causing turnovers. Overall you are looking at a slightly above average D, who suffered greatly by Dawkins absence at the end of the year. (they played incredibly good during the wins, and pathetically bad during the losses, more or less) And a below average offense that was able to assist the D by limiting turnovers in the games they won. When they had turnovers the D got exposed.

[displacedfan]

Haven't seen anyone say it was all Tebow on the wins, or all the D on the losses, seen plenty of the opposite. Realistically the D played a majority role in the win streak with the exception of the Minn game. They also were largely responsible for the losses as they were the only team to give up 40 point more than 2 times(they did it 5) when a team gives up 40 points it wins less than 1% of the time. All in all Denver only won 1 game where the D played poor and only lost 1 game where the d played great

When posters were first coming here, that is all I heard. And let's not forget the special teams also. Prater was kicking very well in end of game situations. It was a great team effort, but they also ended the season on a same type of slide as the Jets. In the AFC East 8-8 gets you sent packing, luckily in the AFC West this year 8-8 gets you a home playoff game.

[catfish]

When posters were first coming here, that is all I heard. And let's not forget the special teams also. Prater was kicking very well in end of game situations. It was a great team effort, but they also ended the season on a same type of slide as the Jets. In the AFC East 8-8 gets you sent packing, luckily in the AFC West this year 8-8 gets you a home playoff game.

you hafta realize that in the beginning Denver fans made a concerted effort to fuck with you Jets fans just for the fun of it...I think they mostly got banned now. Aside from a few wingnuts the Tebow fans are mostly like me. They know he isn't perfect, but feel he isn't as bad as some think and it is too soon to write him off given the potential.

[whichfan]

When posters were first coming here, that is all I heard. And let's not forget the special teams also. Prater was kicking very well in end of game situations. It was a great team effort, but they also ended the season on a same type of slide as the Jets. In the AFC East 8-8 gets you sent packing, luckily in the AFC West this year 8-8 gets you a home playoff game.

They ended their regular season similarly, but Denver went to the playoffs, won in the wildcard round and lost to the Pats in the divisional round. That's not the same. Playoffs and playoff wins don't matter anymore?


So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.


Why are you picking the "last 4 out of 5"? You're taking the last 3 regular seasons games and lumping in a playoff loss in there just so you can say the last 4 out of 5. Tebow didn't start the last 4 out of 5. If you want to lump everything together then Tebow started in week 7 and played 13 games. Not 5.

And 2 of their last 4 losses were to the Patriots. It's not like if Denver had someone else at QB they would have beaten the Patriots. You can't play ground and pound football when you give up 40+ points. That right there pretty much ends that.

I still don't see why you're ignoring that there is a separation there with his last two games being playoff games. And how did Tebow play in the playoffs? Everyone knows about the Steelers, but despite his loss to the Patriots he still ended up with one of the best passer ratings in the playoffs last year. He's proven he can be clutch even in the playoffs when it matters. Not only did he win in over time and put up great stats against the Steelers but he also didn't throw an interception despite the pummeling he took from the Pats. That says a lot about him and being able to handle the pressure.

Because in the end, we all know it doesn't matter how good of a damn passer you are, if you can't handle those moments. Half the decent passers in this league will never get their teams past that because they can't handle that pressure.

[CowboysFan]

So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.

Have you seen my post talking about the losses? and why does Tebow get his wins and losses parsed as a starter? How come you are not counting the 7-1 streak?

I don't get the whole look at the last games thing.

here is my post talking about each game during the 1-4 run

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[CowboysFan]

Don't you know every win was because of Tebow and every loss was not because of Tebow? Nothing is ever Tebow's fault like nothing is ever Sanchez's fault. The team let him down, except when they won and then he carried the team

No one has ever said its all Tebow, that is another myth generated by the big media hype machine.

[101_GANG_GREEN_101]

I find it funny people talk about that playoff win

You guys do realize they went to a cover 0 scheme? Of course Tebow would throw for 300 yards it was pure man to man

The Steelers corners aren't exactly that good in man to man

[#1 Jets Fan]

Is it a shock that Tebow wants to be the starter? so does Greg McElroy but that doesn't mean either have a chance. If tebow didn't have the desire to be a starter I'd be more concernedThat is very true. The Tebow nuts have to hang there hat on something and since we have found out these past few weeks most of them know nothing about football.

[displacedfan]

No one has ever said its all Tebow, that is another myth generated by the big media hype machine.

Its not a myth. A lot of newer posters won't even acknowledge Tebow has current problems let alone blame a single thing on him. Luckily most are gone after the wave of fans already posting here proved them wrong. There are still some newcomers who will come here for a hit and run comments here and there but they quickly leave or get banned for trolling

[FakeSpike13]

So, you're just going to ignore the four losses out of last five games thing? Don't tell me, you don't care much about your cred here. Another Tebot - I am beginning to see a pattern.

To save time, I'll re-post post #12 for you:

Also funny how people have to grasp at the few late losses and ignore the nearly twice as many wins as if they didn't happen.

[FakeSpike13]

Don't you know every win was because of Tebow and every loss was not because of Tebow? Nothing is ever Tebow's fault like nothing is ever Sanchez's fault. The team let him down, except when they won and then he carried the team

Haha...I would actually argue the prevailing thought is vice versa...

Every game the Broncos won was because of their Defense and luck, and every game they lost was because Tebow sucks so bad...

The truth probably lies somewhere in between I suppose.

[displacedfan]

Haha...I would actually argue the prevailing thought is vice versa...

Every game the Broncos won was because of their Defense and luck, and every game they lost was because Tebow sucks so bad...

The truth probably lies somewhere in between I suppose.

Well it depends who you are talking to :grin:

My thinking is, that the team played very well during the winning streak, and poorly during the losing streak. The defense did force two turnovers in two separate overtimes, and you had a kicker making some tough, end of game field goals. But you also had Tebow driving the team down the field. The team as a whole, including Tebow, was inconsistent. Like I said the team was lucky they were in the AFC West where 8-8 gets them a home playoff game.

[FakeSpike13]

I find it funny people talk about that playoff win

You guys do realize they went to a cover 0 scheme? Of course Tebow would throw for 300 yards it was pure man to man

The Steelers corners aren't exactly that good in man to man

Why did they play that defense? Could it be they feared the leagues #1 rushing attack led by Tebow?

Tebow is a mediocre passer right now, but it is exactly his ability to make plays with his feet that makes him tough to defend.

[Catt_County]

to be fair 2 of the losses were to the pats, and Denver gave up 40 point to them both times....only 1 team won a game last year while still giving up 40 points. The win was a record setting defeat of Pittsburg, who is no slouch.

The games he got graded down on on PFF was Miami, Detroit, 2nd KC game and Bills. All in all he finished 8-5 regardless of how when the wins came. Would it be any different had it been win 2, lose 2, win 3, lose2, win 3, lose 1?

Yeah, it would have been different because it would say that other things went wrong rather than that teams had figured Tebow out. However, Tebow went 7-1 to start when teams didn't have film on him as a starting QB. He went 1-4 after teams were able to analyze his game and figure out his tendencies. The key to Tebow is to cover his receivers and wait for Timmy to make a poor throw.

He also lost to two crappy defensive teams three times (Pats and Bills) by 18, 26, and 35 points, and despite his 316 yards against Pitt, his completion % in those last 5 games was < 41%; his average yards per game was < 180 yards; his average TD passes were .6 and his average INTs were 1. Any other starting QB putting up numbers like that over a 5 game stretch in which his team went 1-4 would likely be riding the pine.

[whichfan]

Yeah, it would have been different because it would say that other things went wrong rather than that teams had figured Tebow out. However, Tebow went 7-1 to start when teams didn't have film on him as a starting QB. He went 1-4 after teams were able to analyze his game and figure out his tendencies. The key to Tebow is to cover his receivers and wait for Timmy to make a poor throw.

He also lost to two crappy defensive teams three times (Pats and Bills) by 18, 26, and 35 points, and despite his 316 yards against Pitt, his completion % in those last 5 games was < 41%; his average yards per game was < 180 yards; his average TD passes were .6 and his average INTs were 1. Any other starting QB putting up numbers like that over a 5 game stretch in which his team went 1-4 would likely be riding the pine.


With each and every post you show just how little football knowledge you actually have. It's obvious where you get your info. You just called one of the best defenses in the NFL crappy.

Why don't you wait 3 months, and when ESPN catches up to the rest of the football world and starts talking about just how great the Pats defense actually is, then you can catch on too. Actually I think they've already started talking about it. I think you missed the show.

[Big Blocker]

Don't you know every win was because of Tebow and every loss was not because of Tebow? Nothing is ever Tebow's fault like nothing is ever Sanchez's fault. The team let him down, except when they won and then he carried the team

Yes, no doubt there are some ironic comparisons to Sanchez Fans. But as I said even one who has had big issues with Sanchez Fans such as myself sees a critical difference with them. Sanchez Fans started out as Jet fans, and think they still are Jet fans even if they became Sanchez Fans. However wrong they have been to throw the whole rest of the team under the bus to defend Mark, they think they are doing so for the Jets.

Tebots were Tebots before they gave a second thought to the Jets. Their interest in the Jets doing well will not be a factor until Tebow is involved, and once he leaves, they will, too.

[catfish]

Yeah, it would have been different because it would say that other things went wrong rather than that teams had figured Tebow out. However, Tebow went 7-1 to start when teams didn't have film on him as a starting QB. He went 1-4 after teams were able to analyze his game and figure out his tendencies. The key to Tebow is to cover his receivers and wait for Timmy to make a poor throw.

He also lost to two crappy defensive teams three times (Pats and Bills) by 18, 26, and 35 points, and despite his 316 yards against Pitt, his completion % in those last 5 games was < 41%; his average yards per game was < 180 yards; his average TD passes were .6 and his average INTs were 1. Any other starting QB putting up numbers like that over a 5 game stretch in which his team went 1-4 would likely be riding the pine.

He actually did pretty well against the pats the first time, high yards, high ypa, ridiculous running #s. Against the bills and KC he was pathetic, but a QB in his first 16 start is going to have a few stinkers. Benching a QB with the type of stats Tebow put up would be considered if 1 he wasn't a guy you were supposed to be developing. A veteran sure, but a young guy has to be allowed to work throught the rough patches, and 2 he didn't just win you 6 games in a row. People are getting all bent out of shape about three losses in a row. Those 3 were the first consecutive losses of the season with Tebow as a starter. Doesn't mean he got "figured out".

[RevRick]

"Roll with it", excellent advice for fans too, from one who knows. It's entertainment and competition and Tebow excels in both. Enjoy the ride.

[Big Blocker]

To save time, I'll re-post post #12 for you:

The last five games he played in have more relevance than the ones before. You need me to tell you why?

Because they show what teams who better knew what to expect were able to do once prepared.

Because they show how it went down the stretch, during a run for the playoffs, that they shat the bed and backed in because the rest of the division sucked.

Because they showed that the more time they played together, the worse the results.

Because what happened as time went on then is a better indicator of future performance now than what happened early on.

I could go on, but I doubt you will respond on the substance, anyway.

[whichfan]

The last five games he played in have more relevance than the ones before. You need me to tell you why?

Because they show what teams who better knew what to expect were able to do once prepared.

Because they show how it went down the stretch, during a run for the playoffs, that they shat the bed and backed in because the rest of the division sucked.

Because they showed that the more time they played together, the worse the results.

Because what happened as time went on then is a better indicator of future performance than what happened early on.

I could go on, but I doubt you will respond on the substance, anyway.


So what does it show, when after a 3 game losing streak, to finish the season in the worst possible manner, you bounce back to win a wild card playoff game, under the highest of scrutiny and pressure, in overtime with a QB passer rating of 125+, and 366 all purpose yards, 3 touchdowns and 0 turnovers, against the #1 defense in the NFL?

Oh wait...I forgot...it means that Pittsburgh D messed up. The #1 D in the NFL never got the "Tebow figured out" memo.

Do you honestly believe what you're writing?

[Big Blocker]

So what does it show, when after a 3 game losing streak, to finish the season in the worst possible manner, you bounce back to win a wild card playoff game, under the highest of scrutiny and pressure, in overtime with a QB passer rating of 125+ against the #1 defense in the NFL?

Oh wait...I forgot...it means that Pittsburgh D messed up. The #1 D in the NFL never got the "Tebow figured out" memo.

Do you honestly believe what you're writing?

In order to believe what you wrote you would have to have not watched that game. I did.

[whichfan]

In order to believe what you wrote you would have to have not watched that game. I did.

I'm sorry what was wrong with THAT game? And I did watch the game thank you. And I saw a Pittsburgh Steelers D that had no freaking clue how to stop the spread option offense in the NFL because every time they tried to stop the running game, they got burnt by huge bombs. Whenever they played pass coverage, Denver rushed down their throats.

This is why the Jets got him. Because he's going to do this over and over and over again, because unless you have a very modern, scheming NFL defense like the Pats, most of the old school NFL defenses currently in place are going to be Tebow's and Cam Newton's play ground.

[Big Blocker]

I'm sorry what was wrong with THAT game? And I did watch the game thank you. And I saw a Pittsburgh Steelers D that had no freaking clue how to stop the spread option offense in the NFL because every time they tried to stop the running game, they got burnt by huge bombs. Whenever they played pass coverage, Denver rushed down their throats.

This is why the Jets got him. Because he's going to do this over and over and over again, because unless you have a very modern, scheming NFL defense like the Pats, most of the old school NFL defenses currently in place are going to be Tebow's and Cam Newton's play ground.

If Denver's O was so unstoppable they would not have lost four of their last five games.

The Jets got Tebow because Woody Johnson runs the show and he's a clown running a circus.

That about covers it. Have a nice time over here in the segregated forum.

[whichfan]

And if Tebow was figured out the #1 defense in the NFL would have done a little bit better against him, considering the game went to over time. They had plenty of time to show they "figured him out". The only people that figured anything out was the referees or else the Steelers would have been embarrassed and blown out of that game.

And if he would have been figured out the Jets wouldn't have traded 2 draft picks and offered him guaranteed playing in time, and set on designing an offense that takes advantage of Tim Tebow.

Obviously no one whose opinion actually matters, agrees with you.

[instaGATOR]

[QUOTE=catfish;2464692]-- but a QB in his first 16 start is going to have a few stinkers.
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And a couple of HoF'ers did a whole lot worse.

Peyton Manning in his first 16 starts (given every advantage) went W/L 3-13 while setting the NFL Rookie QB Record for Interceptions.

John Elway pass completion percentage was 47.5% with 7 TD's to 14 Ints.

So yeah, Tim's got no hope of ever improving.... :rofl2:

Intangibles?

You can best lead by example, what you yourself are willing to do.

This article was not written by a Gator fan, or a Bronco fan, or any so-called Tebot.
Maybe someone that the haters like to call a Tebot, is just someone who has SEEN Tim in action for years.

Link Removed: Can't yet post links, so go to the Will Hill talks about Tebow article.

Exclusivity Clause for ALL Jets fans:

If you simply follow any Pro athlete to his new team, then you are NOT really a fan of that team,,,, got it.... :metal:

[CowboysFan]

I find it funny people talk about that playoff win

You guys do realize they went to a cover 0 scheme? Of course Tebow would throw for 300 yards it was pure man to man

The Steelers corners aren't exactly that good in man to man

You do realize they went to that scheme because tebow would have run them over right? HE IS THE REASON THEY WENT TO THAT SCHEME.

As it stood he had 50 yards and 1 TD going up against 9 in a box all day.

And since when is it the fault of the QB what scheme they ran? THEY LOST.... THE STEELERS LOST

[packersfan]

You do realize they went to that scheme because tebow would have run them over right? HE IS THE REASON THEY WENT TO THAT SCHEME.

As it stood he had 50 yards and 1 TD going up against 9 in a box all day.

And since when is it the fault of the QB what scheme they ran? THEY LOST.... THE STEELERS LOST
Tebow had a very good game against a Dick Lebeau led Steeler defense in the fricken playoffs.

Who cares what scheme they were running. Now why can't he play like this all the time. I can't figure it out and that is why he is so intriguing.