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[Mantana Soss]

Let's keep the emotional stuff out of here and actually talk about the team, and how he will affect it in 2012.

[DUBLIN]

why isn't he a football player? 'cause he's different?

[Jetastic]

I don't know how I feel about this move.

I love the move because it gives us a fantastic wildcat especially with Sparano here. This could be dangerously good.

I hate the move because Sanchez needs to be the starter of this team and has proven success and I will always support him. I fear that people will be screaming for Tebow to start if something goes wrong in 1 game.

[Double Zero]

It depends.

If Rex comes out and say he's a TE/WR and makes it clear he is NOT a QB on the roster, then I am sorta happy.

If they "anoint" him #2 QB, it's going to be a shit storm of epic proportions. Fans/media will be calling for Sanchez's head after every non-perfect game. Then I will be pissed

[al_toon_88]

tim tebow is a fucking embarassment and not a fucking football player. i couldn't give two shits if he wins us 10 regular season games. once playoffs hits he'll be exposed as a fraudulent piece of crap.

Way to mask the hatred. For the record, the man you say will "be exposed as a fraudulent piece of crap" in the playoffs won a playoff game last year. He beat the Steelers, something Sanchez failed to do.

[RevSmitty73]

Tanny wants to see what the guys at kissingsuzykolber will write about it.


Sanchez is mentally weak, period. He crumbled under pressure all year, last year. We all wanted to blame Schotty, I hated Schotty too, but Sanchez has to shoulder some of the blame. Honestly, who is the last "great" SC quarterback to make it big in the League? He started 6 games in college, in a weak league. Tebow played four years, in the toughest conference in college football. He took over a team that was 1-4 and led that team to the playoffs. Anyone see Sanchez doing that? At the end of last year, just about the entire team was throwing him under the bus for quitting. I'll take a guy like Tebow any day, over a pampered prince like Sanchez.

[Fightin'JetTitan]

I am soooooo depressed!!! WHY!!!????

[kubernetes]

Man, talk about the overreaction.

Fact: Tebow will not start because of fan pressure. Tebow zealots will be a tiny minority at Jets games and are a tiny minority of Jets fans. Lots of bible thumpers in Colorado and Florida-- not too many in NY.

Fact: If Tebow starts, it will be because he earned it, i.e. Sanchez really takes a nose dive.

Fact: He's still a great asset in the red zone or 2pt conversions. Even when everyone knows he's running he's still tough to stop.

[reverseapachemaster]

Today I am going to be mad. Tomorrow I will get over it and see how it turns out. I can't control the FO. I won't be a Tebow fan even if he is a Jet but I won't complain about any value he adds to the team.

[Franchize]

And you are basing that on what? The guy played 11 games, went 7-4. In those 4 losses, the opponents combined score was 133 pts, for an average of 33 pts per game. Did Tebow lose those games or did his defense? He won a playoff game, and lost to the eventual AFC Champion. NE scored 45 pts in that game. In the head to head matchup with Sanchez, who played better? Tebow or Sanchez?

May be based on the fact that only Blaine Gabbert was worst than him numbers wise.

[rex2009]

wow some overreactions a 4th and a 6th to much well the 6th and 7th wash and the 4th cant be offset with our compensation picks. We still have a full draft worth of picks settle down folks settle down. At worst we have a 1million dollar semi distraction that players shouldnt get into anyway. At best a tough wildcat option who should push sanchez to play his best and practice hard

Exactly! All the haters will be proven wrong because they are basing their opinions on hate and emotion rather than rational thought. I predict the Jets will have a better season than the Broncos and their head puppet master John Wrongway.

[SufferingJetsFan]

I really thought he was going to Jax. Just seems like bringing in a guy to run the WC a few times a game isn't worth the risk of the same guy being able to divide the team/fans.

[fozzi58]

Tim Tebow is a good football player. The Jets are a football team. If utilized properly (H-back at times, some RB action, occasional QB action), he will be an asset. You understand?

Cakes - the voice of reason.

Have to agree. I still think its a bad move cause the 4th rounder might have landed us another OL depth or WR or even trade bait to move up. However, if TebowChrist is in on 25% or more of the snaps as a HB or even a WR then it will definitely throw off other teams cause they won't know what the fuck is coming next.

[abyzmul]

Looks like Woody's gonna sell those PSLs after all.

I think Sparano will make good use of him, actually. But this forum is about to be flooded with Jesus freaks and anti-religious people for the next few years, bet on it.

[CJLang]

I don't know how I feel about this move.

I love the move because it gives us a fantastic wildcat especially with Sparano here. This could be dangerously good.

I hate the move because Sanchez needs to be the starter of this team and has proven success and I will always support him. I fear that people will be screaming for Tebow to start if something goes wrong in 1 game.

And you can bet your ass it will happen! Sanchez better grow a pair very very quickly.

If he let Holmes get under his skin and let it affect his performance, this is gonna be alot tougher.

[Falco21]

I really thought he was going to Jax. Just seems like bringing in a guy to run the WC a few times a game isn't worth the risk of the same guy being able to divide the team/fans.

Told you last night not to say that to quick ;)

[RevisOfNazareth]

Tebow will never survive in the NY Media as a QB considering even CNBC just made fun of him for PowerLunch. That obviously leads me to believe if anything he's a back up but more likely, he's our answer to the Patriots TE system. To have a TE who you can occasionally line up at QB or RB and know will get you some yards is a damn good thing.

The only possibility he plays QB is in games Sanchez is throwing a lot of picks, the offense is dead, and needs a spark. In that instance, you'll see a run heavy Tebow based scheme to get us back in it.

I would have rather inked Manning if we were going to do anything with this at all. Even though Tebow is a product of today's SEC where he was unbeatable by all except Ole Miss, he's of another era, one before the forward pass, and is a waste of cap space.

The only fear should be some kind of idiot two QB scheme being drawn up over the offseason now.

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[Franchize]

Man, talk about the overreaction.

Fact: Tebow will not start because of fan pressure. Tebow zealots will be a tiny minority at Jets games and are a tiny minority of Jets fans. Lots of bible thumpers in Colorado and Florida-- not too many in NY.

Fact: If Tebow starts, it will be because he earned it, i.e. Sanchez really takes a nose dive.

Fact: He's still a great asset in the red zone or 2pt conversions. Even when everyone knows he's running he's still tough to stop.

Fact: Everything you said is actually an opinion!

[VanderbiltJets]

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"pitching him into a QB battle with Mark Sanchez"

It has begun.

[RevSmitty73]

I don't know how I feel about this move.

I love the move because it gives us a fantastic wildcat especially with Sparano here. This could be dangerously good.

I hate the move because Sanchez needs to be the starter of this team and has proven success and I will always support him. I fear that people will be screaming for Tebow to start if something goes wrong in 1 game.

Sanchez has proven success? Where?? Not last year. If the Colts can let Peyton Manning go, why the kissing of Sanchez's rear? If Sanchez "needs" to be the starter, let him go out and prove it in training camp. Make him earn his snaps like every one else.

[Nilton]

the dude has a 6m and 7m cap hit..........for 2013 and 14............thats alot for like 10 snaps tops (a game)

[kubernetes]

Fact: Everything you said is actually an opinion!
Yeah, I get those confused sometimes. :)



tim tebow is a fucking embarassment and not a fucking football player. i couldn't give two shits if he wins us 10 regular season games.

Wow, so even if the guy wins us 10 football games he's still not a football player? Is he playing Madden? And what does that make Sanchez? smh...

[jetsfan4life78]

It makes no sense. We have guys who can run the wildcat.

[johnny]

This may have finally done it. After 27 years of following the Jets remotely I think this move may finally push me over the edge to just root for my home team (sadly now the AZ Cardinals). As I was driving after I heard the news I saw a car with a license plate that read "FED UP". That's the way that I feel right now. To give up a more than fourth rounder for Tebow and his baggage is ludicrous.

The issues far outweigh the benefits in this deal. With all of the talent that the Jets need in real positions (S,OLB, ILB, OL, RB, blocking TE, WR) why give up a draft choice and bring this circus in? If Mark is what you want and hope him to be then what great added value does a wildcat QB have (especially with Kerley able to fill that role)? Why pay Sanchez all that money and then bring in someone who is probably not going to be satisfied with a wildcat / backup role?

It's just another in a disjointed move that this franshise has put us through. There have been so many mistakes and contradictory moves that this franchise (I can't call them an organization because they don't show any) has made that defy logic. It shows another instance where this FO wants to do the "cute / big headline" thing instead of just making good / basic football moves.

[DUBLIN]

I disagree with the signing of Drew Stanton now this has gone through - or is that a sign Tebow is not our backup QB?

[Jetfanmack]

Looks like Woody's gonna sell those PSLs after all.

I think Sparano will make good use of him, actually. But this forum is about to be flooded with Jesus freaks and anti-religious people for the next few years, bet on it.

Haha, I didn't even think about that part of it, but that's bound to happen.

And I'm sure I'll get a million requests saying HAY CAN I CHANGE MY NAME FROM MADBACKER57 to GODQB15?

(not meant to make fun of any particular poster's username, just picked a player who might not be hear next year)

Tebow can be an asset here. And he will sell tickets. It's not as awful as I first thought it would be, but if Sanchez doesn't play well, this could turn out disastrous. If Sanchez plays well, then Tebow can remain a gimmick QB who is used in Wildcat and possibly elsewhere from time to time.

If Sanchez plays poorly, the Tebow chants are going to begin. Then again, I think Rex would love to win the way the Broncos were winning lat year, by never actually throwing the ball.

[ShadeTree#55]

Scott Frost was a "football" player too.

[Mantana Soss]

the dude has a 6m and 7m cap hit..........for 2013 and 14............thats alot for like 10 snaps tops

But we traded for him. That means we guarantee him NOTHING.

His deal can easily be reworked, or there will be no penalty in getting rid of him,

Apparently his cap number this season is 1.1M

[Snatch Catch]

I'll love this move if they list him on the official roster as a RB, HB, or FB.

That would mitigate a majority of the stupidity in the media/fanbase. Just dead the whole "he's a QB" thing right out of the gate.

[Saint Chez]

Is it legal to have 2 qbs on the field at the same time?

[BrowningNagle]

Tebowmania!!!

[JetBlue]

I think it shows they don't want tebow as a QB and they wanted a real QB to back up Sanchez. Tebow is hear to be a better verison of Brad Smith

I agree, but that is still alot of QB's to keep on the roster.

I think it would have made more sense to just have Sanchez and McElroy for that role and Tebow as third string just in case.

[Pereiro16]

We now have god on our side!!! Praise Tebow!!!

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[Rawrk]

some of you guys worry about mark sanchez's feelings too much.

[BakerMaker]

So tired of this shit man. I am sure Tebow is a nice guy and all but this is Favre 2.0.

Chad Pennington gets run out of town by Favre, now Sanchez gets run out of town by Tebow. Let go of Sanchez, he doesn't deserve this bullshit.

[Poeman]

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Tebow Time...DAMN IT

[wfresh]

trade sanchez to the Rams now!!!

[Jetaho]

On the football side, he will bring some versatility to the offense. That's all I got.

Off the field, he will be a team guy and say all the right things, but his presence will be a huge distraction, and could divide the locker room more than it already is. Do you really think Holmes and Cro are going to put up with his "rah rah, let's play well today brother" bullshit? I don't.

Also, this place is going to be overrun with Tebowmania, and new members who want to talk All Tebow, All the time. Can't wait.

[BleedJetsGreen1981]

I have mixed feelings on this Tebow trade. On the one hand he has a knack for winning games because he's fast.

However, after the Jets extended Sanchez's contract I'm not sure why they brought in Tebow other than to increase revenue and sell PSL's.

I sometimes wonder if the Jets really want to be a quality team and take it to the next level. It seems to me that Woody Johnson just wants to make money, get in the back page and if as a by product of pulling off some splashy trades they make it to the Superbowl, well that's just gravy.

I truly hope Sanchez steps it up next year and Tebow takes only limited snaps.
This is your time Mark..

[RevSmitty73]

May be based on the fact that only Blaine Gabbert was worst than him numbers wise.

How many playoff games did Gabbert win? Let me ask you a question. If you had the choice between Sanchez throwing for 4,000 yards and Tebow winning a Super Bowl which would you take? All I am asking for, is the guy be given a chance to compete. All you want is for Sanchez to be handed the reins to a team, he failed to lead last year.

[rmagedon]

If I hear any of you idiots start chanting Tebow's name when Sanchez throws 2 picks in a home game, I will literally go over to your section, and punch you in the face.

You can take that to the bank.

[BroncoFanBoy]

I really don't know why the Jets would want him... Do they think he's willing to play fullback? Sanchez is an ok QB. Makes sense replacing him with Manning, but Tebow? I like Tebow, but this move doesn't make sense....

[Royce Parker]

This is kind of surreal, I'm not sure what to think about it. I hate Tebowmania but I can't help rooting for him if he's wearing a Jets uniform.

All I can say is, Sanchez better play his ass off and kill any QB controversy before it starts. If it becomes a Sanches vs Tebow circus this team is screwed...

[Poeman]

I believe in alot of the values Tebow does...I like his faith and he is a good person...I just cannot trust him throwing the ball...He sure will be a good backup to Sanchez.

Tebow magic

:(

[Obey The D]

Tim's first meeting with Rex will be like something straight out of Anchorman:

"Why'd you say that Rex? Why? You're my hero. And you say something dirty. Like poop. Poop mouth. I hate you Rex Ryan, I hate you!"

[UncleTomNYJ]

If I hear any of you idiots start chanting Tebow's name when Sanchez throws 2 picks in a home game, I will literally go over to your section, and punch you in the face.

You can take that to the bank.

Thats pretty f*ckin epic right there!:metal:

[MarkyMark]

Is it possible to use Tebow at some other position? Can he be a straight up running back? Belichick really wanted him once, I can't imagine it would be just for wildcat crap.

[Denny]

Tony Sparano paired up with Tim Tebow in the wildcat. Sanchez worked well with Brad Smith. The pressure wasn't all on him. When Brad left his presence was missed. The Jets are going back to this formula. I see it as a good change.

[Don]

The only question now is if this thread will surpass the new stadium thread in size.

[reverseapachemaster]

I hope cromartie takes a dump on Tebow while he's kneeling.

"God made me do it."

[RevisOfNazareth]

So tired of this shit man. I am sure Tebow is a nice guy and all but this is Favre 2.0.

Chad Pennington gets run out of town by Favre, now Sanchez gets run out of town by Tebow. Let go of Sanchez, he doesn't deserve this bullshit.

At least Favre had a Superbowl on his resume.

[Royal Tee]

Looks like Woody's gonna sell those PSLs after all.

I think Sparano will make good use of him, actually. But this forum is about to be flooded with Jesus freaks and anti-religious people for the next few years, bet on it.

Thx for posting this early in the thread...
..and Giving up Picks like that proves it.

[Don]

I really don't know why the Jets would want him... Do they think he's willing to play fullback? Sanchez is an ok QB. Makes sense replacing him with Manning, but Tebow? I like Tebow, but this move doesn't make sense....

Is he ready to retire? Those are his choices.

[CJLang]

Man, talk about the overreaction.

Fact: Tebow will not start because of fan pressure. Tebow zealots will be a tiny minority at Jets games and are a tiny minority of Jets fans. Lots of bible thumpers in Colorado and Florida-- not too many in NY.

Fact: If Tebow starts, it will be because he earned it, i.e. Sanchez really takes a nose dive.

Fact: He's still a great asset in the red zone or 2pt conversions. Even when everyone knows he's running he's still tough to stop.

I'd be surprised if he isn't at least given the chance to compete for the starting QB job. There are QB starved teams that should finish lower in the standings then the Jets who weren't willing to give up a 4th for Tebow.

A 4th for a gimmick player?

How much more of a nosedive will Sanchez need to take?

[PJ4Ever]

Sanchez has proven success? Where?? Not last year. If the Colts can let Peyton Manning go, why the kissing of Sanchez's rear? If Sanchez "needs" to be the starter, let him go out and prove it in training camp. Make him earn his snaps like every one else.

You're an idiot. Sanchez's worst year at QB will be better than Tebow's best.

[CJLang]

If I hear any of you idiots start chanting Tebow's name when Sanchez throws 2 picks in a home game, I will literally go over to your section, and punch you in the face.

You can take that to the bank.

You're gonna have some sore knuckles then.

[RevSmitty73]

So tired of this shit man. I am sure Tebow is a nice guy and all but this is Favre 2.0.

Chad Pennington gets run out of town by Favre, now Sanchez gets run out of town by Tebow. Let go of Sanchez, he doesn't deserve this bullshit.

Sanchez doesn't deserve what? He is being forced to earn his position after a mediocre bordering on bad year. If you had the year Sanchez had at work, would your Boss hesitate to fire you or give someone else a run at your position? This is a business pure and simple. If the Colts can let Manning walk after winning them a Superbowl and being "the guy" in that community for all those years, then surely precious Mark can have a little competiton in Cortland, no?

[Don]

This is kind of surreal, I'm not sure what to think about it. I hate Tebowmania but I can't help rooting for him if he's wearing a Jets uniform.

All I can say is, Sanchez better play his ass off and kill any QB controversy before it starts. If it becomes a Sanches vs Tebow circus this team is screwed...

Tebow won't be listed as #2. Sanchez will have to lose his job to somebody else before Tebow ever became part of the conversation.

[Dierking]

Brad Smith was a great ST player. This is just a complete waste of a roster spot.

[Tight]

Brad Smith. Thats all I see

[RevisOfNazareth]

The Jesus shit is not going to fly in New York, even I know this and would bet on it. How many extremely religious idiots will we be booing off of the board?

Sanchez is the better of the two anyway. Everyone relax.

[JerodMayoJackedMeUp!]

And it begins: Tebow at 54%, Sanchez 46% in the poll on ESPN.com asking who should start at QB for the Jets. Tebow winning in NY and NJ as well. You thought it was a circus in Denver last year, wait till you see what the NY media turns this into.

[reverseapachemaster]

Tebow won't be listed as #2. Sanchez will have to lose his job to somebody else before Tebow ever became part of the conversation.

Tebow is most definitely a #2.

[bucknasty]

Brad smith was a 4th round pic...just saying

[CJLang]

Is it possible to use Tebow at some other position? Can he be a straight up running back? Belichick really wanted him once, I can't imagine it would be just for wildcat crap.

Belichik likes him alot and has alot of respect for him. Whether or not he ever really wanted him for the Pats is speculation at best.

[BamaZeus]

I have mixed feelings on this Tebow trade. On the one hand he has a knack for winning games because he's fast.

However, after the Jets extended Sanchez's contract I'm not sure why they brought in Tebow other than to increase revenue and sell PSL's.

I sometimes wonder if the Jets really want to be a quality team and take it to the next level. It seems to me that Woody Johnson just wants to make money, get in the back page and if as a by product of pulling off some splashy trades they make it to the Superbowl, well that's just gravy.

I truly hope Sanchez steps it up next year and Tebow takes only limited snaps.
This is your time Mark..

It's not even so much the Sanchez contract that miffs me a bit, it's that we just signed Stanton to be the backup. If you know Tebow is coming available, why don't you wait on Stanton for a week until the Tebow situation shakes out? It just seems like we blew a bit of money on Stanton for no reason, if you believe McElroy is your 3rd string/clipboard holder all along.

[Ben Had]

On the football side, he will bring some versatility to the offense. That's all I got.

Off the field, he will be a team guy and say all the right things, but his presence will be a huge distraction, and could divide the locker room more than it already is. Do you really think Holmes and Cro are going to put up with his "rah rah, let's play well today brother" bullshit? I don't.

Also, this place is going to be overrun with Tebowmania, and new members who want to talk All Tebow, All the time. Can't wait.

This is the best news I've herd in awhile...this forum is going to be fun.

[wa2k99]

Serisouly, I'm reading Giants fans comments. I really want to cry

[northernjet]

You're an idiot. Sanchez's worst year at QB will be better than Tebow's best.

Agreed 100%

[FreeMcneil]

He addresses none of the needs this team has, we just strengthened the Broncos draft as they will add depth with these picks, whether its a couple of special teams players or the late rounder that will become a star in this league.

[Poeman]

has anyone here even thought about the fact that the Jets may have spoken to Tebow's reps and maybe Tebow told Elway to trade him to the jets

[Poeman]

MODS , be on high alert for Trollonomics here

[reverseapachemaster]

How many times will we see comments about Tebow washing Rex's feet?

[Royce Parker]

Last season I was at a bar in NYC that was packed with Jets fans and the Broncos were on at the same time as the Jets. About 80% of the fans in the bar were wrapped up in watching Tebow instead of watching the Jets and going crazy every time he made a play. Anyone who thinks fans won't be clamoring for this guy to take the field as soon as Sanchez throws his first pick is probably sadly mistaken.

[Rawrk]

has anyone here even thought about the fact that the Jets may have spoken to Tebow's reps and maybe Tebow told Elway to trade him to the jets

tebow preferred to move to florida.

elway doesn't give a shit about tebow.

[RevSmitty73]

You're an idiot. Sanchez's worst year at QB will be better than Tebow's best.


Thanks for that educated and insightful opinion. Question: Was Sanchez in the playoffs this year? Tebow had a better year than Sanchez, if your definition is winning, and at this level..That's what it's about.

[Royal Tee]

Moved to the other thread :)

[Mantana Soss]

He addresses none of the needs this team has, we just strengthened the Broncos draft as they will add depth with these picks, whether its a couple of special teams players or the late rounder that will become a star in this league.

I think he addresses that our running game was pretty poor last year.

[Don]

Tebow is most definitely a #2.

If that happens then everything that is being said about this is true. I can't believe the Jets would be that stupid.

[MarkyMark]

Tebow is most definitely a #2.

No chance. There's no way Tebow will be the backup QB for this team. I give it 0% chance.

[kubernetes]

Upside: The fan base now backs Sanchez by overwhelming majority.

[CJLang]

Tebow won't be listed as #2. Sanchez will have to lose his job to somebody else before Tebow ever became part of the conversation.

You're in denial if you think the Jets aren't gonna let tebow compete for the QB job.

If they tell tebow he's gonna strictly be a role player with no chance to be the QB, he's the type that may just walk away and move onto his missionary work.

[Nesquik]

Everyone needs to settle down, like really its not that serious. Sanchez is fragile, im hearing it over and over again ESPN, im in fully in support of him. And maybe Tebow isnt the competition that we might have all wanted(like it or not he is competition, dont care what the FO says).

The way i see it Sanchez was never going to end up like Eli Manning obviously Rex, Sparano felt like we needed to add something, hell anything to the offense. We have all been begging the FO to do something anything to add some firepower to this team, well there you have we now have Tebow.

I like Tebow, as a Qb no not at all, but he's here now and its done and we have to live with it.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

I'm not suggesting that this acquisition is fool proof or that there isn't immense risk involved. But this whole notion is gonna shine light on who in the media and NFL fan base understands football and who doesn't.Tebow isn't a Jet to be conventional QB back-up to Sanchez. All the "Tebow can't throw" and "What does this do to Sanchez's confidence" is all a waste of breath.

He's here as an all purpose back w/ the ability to play QB sparingly if needed. He's an ideal fit in the wild cat, he commands respect of the locker room & simply put can make big plays to will a team to the finish line.

He's unique in the sense that he IS a threat to Sanchez, but not in a traditional drop back passer sense. If Sanchez and/or the passing game struggles..the jets can completely change to a wildcat look in as pinch. It's something the opposition will need to prepare & account for. I like the move for Tim Tebow the football player..not Tim Tebow the starting QB.

[Don]

has anyone here even thought about the fact that the Jets may have spoken to Tebow's reps and maybe Tebow told Elway to trade him to the jets

I don't believe either Florida team made an offer..Miami certainly didn't and nobody but the owner in Jacksonville wanted to.

[BleedJetsGreen1981]

It's not even so much the Sanchez contract that miffs me a bit, it's that we just signed Stanton to be the backup. If you know Tebow is coming available, why don't you wait on Stanton for a week until the Tebow situation shakes out? It just seems like we blew a bit of money on Stanton for no reason, if you believe McElroy is your 3rd string/clipboard holder all along.

The Jets are only paying Stanton to measly one year deal for $1.25 million. Money isn't the issue here.

[Mr. Green Pants]

Tony Sparano paired up with Tim Tebow in the wildcat. Sanchez worked well with Brad Smith. The pressure wasn't all on him. When Brad left his presence was missed. The Jets are going back to this formula. I see it as a good change.
Tebow might be a nice addition if the fans and media could be content with him in a limited role as a wildcat specialist, but that won't be the case. The team is going to have a quarterback controversy from the moment training camp begins. I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn into a total, dysfunctional clusterfuck.

[Don]

I'm not suggesting that this acquisition is fool proof or that there isn't immense risk involved. But this whole notion is gonna shine light on who in the media and NFL fan base understands football and who doesn't.Tebow isn't a Jet to be conventional QB back-up to Sanchez. All the "Tebow can't throw" and "What does this do to Sanchez's confidence" is all a waste of breath.

He's here as an all purpose back w/ the ability to play QB sparingly if needed. He's an ideal fit in the wild cat, he commands respect of the locker room & simply put can make big plays to will a team to the finish line.

He's unique in the sense that he IS a threat to Sanchez, but not in a traditional drop back passer sense. If Sanchez and/or the passing game struggles..the jets can completely change to a wildcat look in as pinch. It's something the opposition will need to prepare & account for. I like the move for Tim Tebow the football player..not Tim Tebow the starting QB.

That is exactly right and my son just said the exact same thing. ESPN is already fueling the hate mongers as fast as they can..expect the tabloids to do it tomorrow and of course Francessa is being Francessa.

[MarkyMark]

You're in denial if you think the Jets aren't gonna let tebow compete for the QB job.

If they tell tebow he's gonna strictly be a role player with no chance to be the QB, he's the type that may just walk away and move onto his missionary work.

Stop. He did it in Denver for a year and a half. He loves the game, he won't leave the sport because he didn't get what he wanted.

[tdorland]

How can they not see that this is a bad move??? I just dont' fucking get it

[RevSmitty73]

Everyone needs to settle down, like really its not that serious. Sanchez is fragile, im hearing it over and over again ESPN, im in fully in support of him. And maybe Tebow isnt the competition that we might have all wanted(like it or not he is competition, dont care what the FO says).

The way i see it Sanchez was never going to end up like Eli Manning obviously Rex, Sparano felt like we needed to add something, hell anything to the offense. We have all been begging the FO to do something anything to add some firepower to this team, well there you have we now have Tebow.

I like Tebow, as a Qb no not at all, but he's here now and its done and we have to live with it.

If Sanchez is that fragile, he needs to find a new job. Maybe that is why he backed up Leinert at SC.

[BamaZeus]

any chance that Sparano and Cavanaugh could help fix Tebow's throwing motion? I question it because he worked for John Elway for a year and apparently no one fixed it in Denver.

[milo]

The winner in all this...

Petro!!!

There's 205 people in this thread right now

[reverseapachemaster]

If that happens then everything that is being said about this is true. I can't believe the Jets would be that stupid.

I meant #2 like bathroom #2 not #2 in the depth chart.

[xxedge72x]

So tired of this shit man. I am sure Tebow is a nice guy and all but this is Favre 2.0.

Chad Pennington gets run out of town by Favre, now Sanchez gets run out of town by Tebow. Let go of Sanchez, he doesn't deserve this bullshit.

Repeat after me class...

Tim Tebow is not the starting Quarterback. Tim Tebow is not competing at Quarterback. Tim Tebow will run the wildcat.

Feel better yet?

[PinPointPenning10]

The Jets are only paying Stanton to measly one year deal for $1.25 million. Money isn't the issue here.

In a way it is though, considering how strapped for cash we are this offseason and the fact that we have so many other needs to fill. That $1.25 million would've been nice to have to sweeten a deal for a RT or FS or WR.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

He addresses none of the needs this team has, we just strengthened the Broncos draft as they will add depth with these picks, whether its a couple of special teams players or the late rounder that will become a star in this league.

Really? The Jets don't have a need for all purpose weapons who fit their run first philosophy? What team were you watching last year?

[LSUtiger]

If the gang green site becomes a religious devotional site with all the Tebow Jesus freaks pouring in, I'm gonna cry. Isn't it enough we have to put up with Tebowmania, but to have to deal with the religious fanaticals that will follow him to this site is to much to bear.

[GreenGreek]

I think he can work on this team, and I expect him to mainly play as a HB officially. I can see him taking some snaps while Mark breaks huddle & heads out wide. Perhaps throwing occasionally. I can also see him as our short yardage QB. The guy will be our Slash.

The only thing I really hope happens is that the media & sponsors get so preoccupied with Tebow, that Sanchez ends up actually having fewer distractions. Through at least Halloween, Sanchez will be a forgotten man flying under the radar.

[PJ4Ever]

Thanks for that educated and insightful opinion. Question: Was Sanchez in the playoffs this year? Tebow had a better year than Sanchez, if your definition is winning, and at this level..That's what it's about.

Haha, you're a moron AND a hypocrite. If you're going to talk about winning, are you going to just discount the fact that Sanchez brought this team to two AFC Championship games, and played great in both those games? Are you going to discount the fact that the Broncos were 8-8 last year, the same record as the Jets? And that Sanchez went 9-7 and 11-5 the previous two years? Oh yeah, you are, because we already established you were brain dead.

[JetsVilma28]

I like tebow. I like his leadership and champion character. I think he will run the football and protect the football well in, "Gator" formations.

IMO we gave up a little too much for him.

I don't care about a persons religious beliefs. We are a Huge country and everyone has a right to believe what they want. However, if the holy sprite comes with this player maybe we can finally break our 42 year curse.

[dabrowsk1]

He addresses none of the needs this team has, we just strengthened the Broncos draft as they will add depth with these picks, whether its a couple of special teams players or the late rounder that will become a star in this league.

You do realize that we got a 7th rounder back from Denver right? Effectively there isn't much difference between 6th and 7th rounders. So we really only gave up a 4th for Tebow (which is a little high but not terrible).

Considering we are expecting to have 3-4 comp picks in the draft, the cost isn't that bad. The only question is how much Tebow will help the team.

[sanchize]

I love the trade for Tim Tebow.

First of all for the people bitching about the media circus, you do not make moves based upon media perceptions and what they mean to the team.

Second he is not going to be the quarterback. You don't sign Sanchez to the guaranteed money that he has gotten to allow a quarterback competition. Mr. Johnson did not succeed at J & J and with the Jets by making moves like this.

You all saw how successful Tebow could be in Denver as a wildcat quarterback on occasion (he is a glorified wildcat quarterback). This would not work the entire game as you saw there were teams who shut him down. He will be great in the H-back and wildcat route. Can you imagine Tebow lining up at the running back position for 5 or 6 plays a game, while lining up in the wildcat for a drive or 2.

For those of you complaining how this hurts Mark Sanchez, you cannot have it both ways. Cant say he has been coddled and then complain when they bring in a player that wont even compete with him for the starting job. And for people saying how it will affect him when people call for Tebow to take his job after 1 start. This happens to every fan base. There are even Gaytriot fans who were bitching about Tommy Boy after his Super Bowl performance. Wow great twitter is going to want Tebow to start. Cool if twitter ruled the world Justin Bieber would be the president right now.

Bottom line do you get a player that can do what Tebow can do for a 4th round pick? The answer is probably no.

[CJLang]

Stop. He did it in Denver for a year and a half. He loves the game, he won't leave the sport because he didn't get what he wanted.

He was the young backup waiting to usurp the starter. Not told he was just gonna be the wildcat guy with no chance to be the starting QB.

The folks on here that believe he'll come here and be satisfied with just a specific part-time role with no chance for him to be the starting QB are kidding themselves.

[al_toon_88]

I hope cromartie takes a dump on Tebow while he's kneeling.

"God made me do it."

Cromartie should learn to tackle first.

[RevSmitty73]

How can they not see that this is a bad move??? I just dont' fucking get it

Explain why it is a bad move? They gave up nothing. At bare minimum, he is a threat on short yardage situations and on 3rd downs. The guy has 11 games under his belt, and went 7-4. He took a last place team and went to and won a playoff game. Maybe he pushes Sanchez, who according to numerous teammates "quit" on his team last year.

[Rawrk]

You're in denial if you think the Jets aren't gonna let tebow compete for the QB job.

If they tell tebow he's gonna strictly be a role player with no chance to be the QB, he's the type that may just walk away and move onto his missionary work.

i agree with the first statement. if sanchez goes down, i have to think tebow is next in line.

the second statement.. what are you even basing that on?

[Saint Chez]

Oh Tebow...this is gonna be a looooong offseason.

[al_toon_88]

I love the trade for Tim Tebow.

First of all for the people bitching about the media circus, you do not make moves based upon media perceptions and what they mean to the team.

Second he is not going to be the quarterback. You don't sign Sanchez to the guaranteed money that he has gotten to allow a quarterback competition. Mr. Johnson did not succeed at J & J and with the Jets by making moves like this.

You all saw how successful Tebow could be in Denver as a wildcat quarterback on occasion (he is a glorified wildcat quarterback). This would not work the entire game as you saw there were teams who shut him down. He will be great in the H-back and wildcat route. Can you imagine Tebow lining up at the running back position for 5 or 6 plays a game, while lining up in the wildcat for a drive or 2.

For those of you complaining how this hurts Mark Sanchez, you cannot have it both ways. Cant say he has been coddled and then complain when they bring in a player that wont even compete with him for the starting job. And for people saying how it will affect him when people call for Tebow to take his job after 1 start. This happens to every fan base. There are even Gaytriot fans who were bitching about Tommy Boy after his Super Bowl performance. Wow great twitter is going to want Tebow to start. Cool if twitter ruled the world Justin Bieber would be the president right now.

Bottom line do you get a player that can do what Tebow can do for a 4th round pick? The answer is probably no.

Agreed. If we have Tebow at the goal line against Pittsburgh in the playoffs two years ago, we score and go to the Super Bowl.

[JetsVilma28]

Also, tebow will give Sanchez the competition he needs and hopefully light a fire in him.

Bc you know he will be strapped up and ready to play the Lord's game everyday.

[Rawrk]

and for those fearing the tebow maniacs and religious fanatics..

the constant insults thrown at tebow for his beliefs are not much better.

unless they're funny.

but most of them are not.

but if anyone has any funny ones..

[LV Coach]

After 45 years...i heard it on the truck radio and the first thing I did when i got home and parked was SCRAPE MY JET LOGO OFF THE BACK WINDOW>

[Donttasemebro]

The only way this is acceptable is if this move was done to troll all the evangelicals by sending their homeschooled messiah to play for the team they likely hate the most.

problemjeebusfans?
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[xxedge72x]

He was the young backup waiting to usurp the starter. Not told he was just gonna be the wildcat guy with no chance to be the starting QB.

The folks on here that believe he'll come here and be satisfied with just a specific part-time role with no chance for him to be the starting QB are kidding themselves.

Tebow does not have a golden ticket to a starting QB position. He needs to earn it, same as 32 other starting QBs in the NFL. He had a chance, he had success, but obviously his organization didn't believe in him.

If some team thought he was worth more to them (the Jaguars) than the Jets did they would've or should've ponied up more in a trade offer.

Tebow can earn another starting QB job.

[jetsaholic10]

Woah woah woah. Everyone's hating on the Tebow trade. We didn't trade for Tebow to become our backup QB. He's probably going to be third string. We traded for him to do other things like what Brad Smith did a couple years ago, but hopefully better. We traded a fifth and sixth round for him, and he's only getting paid $2-3 mil per season. By no means is he expected to save our team or be our savior. But he's not going to be our QB, that's for sure. Good move Tanny!

[ShadeTree#55]

Mr. Johnson did not succeed at J & J and with the Jets by making moves like this.


He was a trust fund baby. And what has he done with the Jets besides move them to NJ full time and go out like a bitch with the WSS deal?

[Don]

If Sanchez is that fragile, he needs to find a new job. Maybe that is why he backed up Leinert at SC.

That's just what I said earlier...I am so sick of hearing how fragile he is..he is suppose to be a fucking NFL quarterback.

[CJLang]

You do realize that we got a 7th rounder back from Denver right? Effectively there isn't much difference between 6th and 7th rounders. So we really only gave up a 4th for Tebow (which is a little high but not terrible).

Considering we are expecting to have 3-4 comp picks in the draft, the cost isn't that bad. The only question is how much Tebow will help the team.

You got a 7th rounder back for a 6th rounder. You got Tebow and a 7th for a 4th and 6th.

[BakerMaker]

Over/under on the date of a Tim Tebow/Jeremy Lin religious commercial: June 1st.

You just KNOW its going to happen.

[rmagedon]

Great. Cromartie is already talking shit about this trade.

[rex2009]

I realize we want to cut down the sarcastic, slighting replies for every outlandish idea but....... AYFKM?

Don't you ever get tired of being WRONG!

[JohnnyThaJet]

Over/under on the date of a Tim Tebow/Jeremy Lin religious commercial: June 1st.

You just KNOW its going to happen.

Over, it will come more towards the season... duh.

BUY A BIBLE!!! :lol:

[FlaJet]

As a Gator fan I'm loving it. As a Jet fan I'm hoping for the best. I fear this was a move made more for getting back into the news than actually wanting him. I hope I'm wrong and he brings his good qualities and his winning ways to us.

[LeonNYJ]

Mr. Johnson did not succeed at J & J and with the Jets by making moves like this.

You do realize that Woody never worked for J&J right? His father was thrown out of the company by his grandfather so he never worked there.

[SufferingJetsFan]

After the Jets announced the Tebow signing, Cro said this:

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Yep, this move is already good for the locker room.

[Falco21]

After the Jets announced the Tebow signing, Cro said this:

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Yep, this move is already good for the locker room.

No. Cromartie said that before they signed Tebow

[RevisOfNazareth]

Over/under on the date of a Tim Tebow/Jeremy Lin religious commercial: June 1st.

You just KNOW its going to happen.

I take the under for May 2nd. Get this in virtual vegas.

Mods and Admins, please just make it illegal to have any form of name with "Jesus" or "Christ" or "God" for the next 6 months. That might stop the inbound tsunami if religulous retardation.

Signing Tebow will inevitably anger the Holy One, Revis.

"...And Revis said to the underling, "why doth thou bow not to me?"
And the underling said to Revis, "I bow to Jesus"
With the mightiest backhand in recorded human history, the Chosen One connected with the underlings mouth, preventing him from ever opening it in blasphemy again." - Revis 66:13-21

[MarkyMark]

If Tanny came out in the PC and stated "Tebow will not be the QB for this team at any point. He will be used specifically as a special package player in our offense," or something to that effect, would that make fans feel better?

[Poeman]

You dont say Cromartie?

Lets see if Sanchez can deliver now

[MarkyMark]

After the Jets announced the Tebow signing, Cro said this:

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Yep, this move is already good for the locker room.

Cro tweeted that last night

[CJLang]

Tebow does not have a golden ticket to a starting QB position. He needs to earn it, same as 32 other starting QBs in the NFL. He had a chance, he had success, but obviously his organization didn't believe in him.

If some team thought he was worth more to them (the Jaguars) than the Jets did they would've or should've ponied up more in a trade offer.

Tebow can earn another starting QB job.

But you're posts claim he is exclusively a wildcat or role player. If you think he as no chance of beating out Sanchez, you may be surprised.

[Hobbes3259]

Get ready for lots of wildcat...I see nothing but upside here.

[Double Zero]

If Tanny came out in the PC and stated "Tebow will not be the QB for this team at any point. He will be used specifically as a special package player in our offense," or something to that effect, would that make fans feel better?

Yes. Infinitely.

If it's announced he's a QB on the roster, it will be a disaster. Tebowtards will be calling for Sanchez's head by week 1 of the preseason.

[RevSmitty73]

[QUOTE=Donttasemebro;2447973]The only way this is acceptable is if this move was done to troll all the evangelicals by sending their homeschooled messiah to play for the team they likely hate the most.

problemjeebusfans?

aahhh yes, the intolerance of the so called tolerant.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Cro tweeted that last night

Nope. This one is new. Post signing.

[Catfish Billy]

Cromartie should be GM.

[RevisOfNazareth]

Get ready for lots of wildcat...I see nothing but upside here.

You clearly jest.

[Jet Rider]

Great move by the Jets!!

[GQMartin]

Tebow is a Quarterback for the Jets because the Jets will be getting a lot of Quarters back from the fans for PSLs.

[MarkyMark]

Nope. This one is new. Post signing.

lol, no, I saw that tweet last night/this morning. I'd bet everything I own it was before the trade.

on edit: Tweeted at roughly 12 PM today, before the trade.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

If Tanny came out in the PC and stated "Tebow will not be the QB for this team at any point. He will be used specifically as a special package player in our offense," or something to that effect, would that make fans feel better?

No. John Elway said that Tebow wasn't the right guy to start in Denver and he wound up buried under a tsunami of Tebowmania. If Elway can't hold the line then there's no line to be held.

Tebow is going to be the Jets starting QB by mid-season next year unless the Jets manage to plug the holes at RT and WR and possibly one of the guards as well.

You can almost write it down.

[LeonNYJ]

I take the under for May 2nd. Get this in virtual vegas.

Mods and Admins, please just make it illegal to have any form of name with "Jesus" or "Christ" or "God" for the next 6 months. That might stop the inbound tsunami if religulous retardation.

You sound a lot like the Christian hating US government and the media. If people have the right to bash religion then why can't people talk good about it? Oh yeah, because it doesn't fit into the world's current liberal/marxist ideology.

Don't turn this into a religious bashing discussion, I can't stand how people hate Tebow just because he's religious. Does he go overboard in the public forum? Possibly, but there are many religious players in the NFL, on the Jets, and even on these forums not just Tebow. There's no need to bash religion.

[sanchize]

You do realize that Woody never worked for J&J right? His father was thrown out of the company by his grandfather so he never worked there.

Did not know that. Thanks for the info. Even so, as a 4th year business student even I am not that dumb.

[CJLang]

Yes. Infinitely.

If it's announced he's a QB on the roster, it will be a disaster. Tebowtards will be calling for Sanchez's head by week 1 of the preseason.

If he's brought in and not allowed to compete for the QB job, there will be alot of backlash as well.

[JetBlue]

The Jesus shit is not going to fly in New York, even I know this and would bet on it. How many extremely religious idiots will we be booing off of the board?

Sanchez is the better of the two anyway. Everyone relax.
right, because they tore down all the Christian based churches in the state and all that is left are temples and mosques.

[abyzmul]

You clearly jest.

If the Jets are able to use him as a fullback and h-back, and maybe even situational tight end, defenses will never be able to predict a wildcat play by a personnel change. It would be deadly. Stupid not to use it.

[dabrowsk1]

You got a 7th rounder back for a 6th rounder. You got Tebow and a 7th for a 4th and 6th.

Ummm...That's what I said. I was responding to someone saying we gave up 2 picks for him, I was pointing out that we also got one back.

And my point is the same, when it comes to the draft, effectively there isn't much difference between 6th and 7th rounders. Hell there isn't much difference between them and undrafted players. So the question is a 4th too much for Tebow, maybe a little.

[EcKo151]

This is a disaster. Screw this clown.

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[sanchize]

No. John Elway said that Tebow wasn't the right guy to start in Denver and he wound up buried under a tsunami of Tebowmania. If Elway can't hold the line then there's no line to be held.

Tebow is going to be the Jets starting QB by mid-season next year unless the Jets manage to plug the holes at RT and WR and possibly one of the guards as well.

You can almost write it down.

You have to make the move. Do you really think Rex would make that move? Kyle Orton is making a lot less money than Mark Sanchez.

[JohnnyThaJet]

Its funny, everyone who Cro said we shouldnt get has been acquired (Landry & Tebow).

He should start saying we shouldnt have Justin Blackmon fall to #16 or the 49ers sending Patrick Willis to us for a 3rd rounder isnt a smart move.

[NYSackXchange]

This move happened for several reasons, first I don't believe the Jets FO wanted the pats to get him. The Pats have been trying for days to get Tebow. Bellicheck wanted to draft Tebow and finally had another chance to get him. This is purely my opinion. Also, this team has been in shambles since the close of the season. Noone wanted to come here of the top FA's, it has just been bad. I am sure the fo feel Tebow is the high character signing that could make an impact somehow.

Next and most important to me. I have read too many posts about Sanchez and what this will do to his psyche. Well, the mistake the fo has made with him from the beginning was not having anyone behind him pushing him. This resulted in him not progressing as much as he should have. Instead, we watched him slide backwards. To avoid the calls of the fans for Tebow, Sanchez now has to put the time in film, study, practice and then perform on Sundays. So, this signing will make him or break him! I hope it will wake him up and push him towards greatness.

[VanderbiltJets]

Let's keep the emotional stuff out of here and actually talk about the team, and how he will affect it in 2012.

I'm very concerned about the move. I hope that Rex sets the tone for Tebow's role, does not waiver, and does not let him sniff the QB position. Otherwise I can't imagine this helps this Jets team win a Super Bowl.

[RevSmitty73]

Tebow does not have a golden ticket to a starting QB position. He needs to earn it, same as 32 other starting QBs in the NFL. He had a chance, he had success, but obviously his organization didn't believe in him.

If some team thought he was worth more to them (the Jaguars) than the Jets did they would've or should've ponied up more in a trade offer.

Tebow can earn another starting QB job.



But Sanchez does? That is the problem. No one is annoiting Tebow as the starter, but to insist that Sanchez is untouchable is foolish.

[BobLivius]

Good trade which gives us more flexibility on offense. Essentially, it's costing a fourth since we're getting comp picks.

[RevisOfNazareth]

You sound a lot like the Christian hating US government and the media. If people have the right to bash religion then why can't people talk good about it? Oh yeah, because it doesn't fit into the world's current liberal/marxist ideology.

Don't turn this into a religious bashing discussion, I can't stand how people hate Tebow just because he's religious. Does he go overboard in the public forum? Possibly, but there are many religious players in the NFL, on the Jets, and even on these forums not just Tebow. There's no need to bash religion.

Easy now rudeboy, not every joke is how it seems (read the whole post, and honestly, if you think I'm party to the left wing agenda in this country you spend little time in the BS forum)

If the Jets are able to use him as a fullback and h-back, and maybe even situational tight end, defenses will never be able to predict a wildcat play by a personnel change. It would be deadly. Stupid not to use it.

That's true, the only success in this move is with him at FB, TE, or RB. Maybe an occasional trick play or relief for Sanchez during a bad game, but with the cap hit is it really worth it to pay him starter money for being a trick player?

[CJLang]

Its funny, everyone who Cro said we shouldnt get has been acquired (Landry & Tebow).

He should start saying we shouldnt have Justin Blackmon fall to #16 or the 49ers sending Patrick Willis to us for a 3rd rounder isnt a smart move.

When did he say they shouldn't get Landry? I missed that one.

[dmarz45]

I wasnt for the Jets getting Tebow but he's ours for better or worse so lets support him!!

[FreeMcneil]

This may have finally done it. After 27 years of following the Jets remotely I think this move may finally push me over the edge to just root for my home team (sadly now the AZ Cardinals). As I was driving after I heard the news I saw a car with a license plate that read "FED UP". That's the way that I feel right now. To give up a more than fourth rounder for Tebow and his baggage is ludicrous.

The issues far outweigh the benefits in this deal. With all of the talent that the Jets need in real positions (S,OLB, ILB, OL, RB, blocking TE, WR) why give up a draft choice and bring this circus in? If Mark is what you want and hope him to be then what great added value does a wildcat QB have (especially with Kerley able to fill that role)? Why pay Sanchez all that money and then bring in someone who is probably not going to be satisfied with a wildcat / backup role?

It's just another in a disjointed move that this franshise has put us through. There have been so many mistakes and contradictory moves that this franchise (I can't call them an organization because they don't show any) has made that defy logic. It shows another instance where this FO wants to do the "cute / big headline" thing instead of just making good / basic football moves.


I feel the same way man. Sorry to my fellow jet fans but I'm ready to bail after 30 years.

[SufferingJetsFan]

lol, no, I saw that tweet last night/this morning. I'd bet everything I own it was before the trade.
Check it out...

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Last night:
"We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight"

After Tebow signed:
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ESPN is already reporting it.

[JoeWillie130]

Our offense was terrible last year. The way I see it is Tebow can be an offensive weapon for this team. We badly missed the Brad Smith wildcat last year and in fact I was hoping we would draft a QB WR convert this year to replace Smith which we didnt do last year. So if handled right this can be a good thing.

The upside is this. We can use the wildcat to spark the offense and control the ball. It is an extra wrinkle that teams will need to prepare for and will cause confusion on the opposing D and that could lead to big plays.

The downside is this. The fan base will be very split over this move so one false move and the fans and media will be calling for Tebow to take the reins. I think it's very important that Rex is clear that Sanchez is the starter and Tebow will be used in the wildcat and specialty offensive player type role. The other downside is giving up two picks for him in a year we need depth. Not the greatest time to do so. Hopefully they can do something to at least get the 6th rounder back.

[Falco21]

Check it out...

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Last night:
"We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight"

After Tebow signed:
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ESPN is already reporting it.

I'm watching ESPN and they just said that was tweeted before he signed

[VanderbiltJets]

I wasnt for the Jets getting Tebow but he's ours for better or worse so lets support him!!

Tbh I'll let the media support him and won't stop bashing him until he retires. He's a Gaytor for life.

[MarkyMark]

Check it out...

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Last night:
"We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight"

After Tebow signed:
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ESPN is already reporting it.

My twitter timeline has that tweet way before Glazer first reported the trade.

[bhav2k1]

Check it out...

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Last night:
"We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight"

After Tebow signed:
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ESPN is already reporting it.

he tweeted that at 11:16am check the details.....way before the tebow announcement

[Falco21]

The cromartie tweet was before tebow was signed!

[VanderbiltJets]

The upside is this. We can use the wildcat to spark the offense and control the ball.

I do like the concept of calling some extra wildcat plays if a speedy pass rusher is dominating our O-Line (the right side in particular).

[SufferingJetsFan]

My twitter timeline has that tweet way before Glazer first reported the trade.

If that's true, totally my bad. ESPN (like 15 min ago) reported it as he said it after the trade. That's why it grabbed my attention.

[dmarz45]

I just want to say for the record RocklandJetsFan you suck for putting this thought into our heads in the first place!!! FU lol

[VanderbiltJets]

The cromartie tweet was before tebow was signed!

Who said 'after'?

Edit: nevermind

[joesmoe39]

In an offseason where we needed to lay low, lick our wounds, stay out of the limelight and draft wisely, we trade 2 picks and bring the full media pressure and spotlight back fully on the team. I hate this move.


bingo, this says it like it should have been. the circus not only continues, it gets greater.

and you can't say it isn't to be the qb of the future, because sanchez either comes out manninguesq, or the tebow calls get deafening.

personally, i don't think he's any worse than sanchez, but neither of them are nfl qb's. jets making all the wrong circus moves and message boards everywhere are roaring with laughter. check them out, it's amusing.

[VanderbiltJets]

I just want to say for the record RocklandJetsFan you suck for putting this thought into our heads in the first place!!! FU lol

He needs to start a "We should trade for an elite pass rusher, a free safety, and the best RT in the league" thread. We have our soothsayer.

[joesmoe39]

Some of you guys are so quick to judge.

Think about this. An upgraded version of Brad Smith. It adds a whole new dimension to the Offense. A dimension which Sparano knows how to run.

How about our dysfunctional locker room? You don't think Tebow is gonna bring a WIN NOW attitude into the locker room? Come on man.

Hell of a pick up and at a good cost.



the thing is, the whole league has had an off season to prep for tebow time and anyone expecting what happened in denver is dreaming!

[skoobz2001]

Not the analysis I expected on ESPN...

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[CJLang]

This move happened for several reasons, first I don't believe the Jets FO wanted the pats to get him. The Pats have been trying for days to get Tebow. Bellicheck wanted to draft Tebow and finally had another chance to get him. This is purely my opinion. Also, this team has been in shambles since the close of the season. Noone wanted to come here of the top FA's, it has just been bad. I am sure the fo feel Tebow is the high character signing that could make an impact somehow.

Next and most important to me. I have read too many posts about Sanchez and what this will do to his psyche. Well, the mistake the fo has made with him from the beginning was not having anyone behind him pushing him. This resulted in him not progressing as much as he should have. Instead, we watched him slide backwards. To avoid the calls of the fans for Tebow, Sanchez now has to put the time in film, study, practice and then perform on Sundays. So, this signing will make him or break him! I hope it will wake him up and push him towards greatness.

I laugh when I read this stuff. Not one report yesterday even mentions the Pats as a team vying for Tebow. Also, the Pats have a boatload of draft picks and could have easily outbid the Jets or anyone for him.

Besides, how much more offense do the Pats need? They need defense, and lots of it.

I seriously doubt that the Jets did this to somehow circumvent a Pats move... but if they did, I think it's funny. No way they run their organization that way, you'd like to think.

Remember the Jets moving up a bunch of picks to get Robertson because the word was the Pats were going to?

[VanderbiltJets]

personally, i don't think he's any worse than sanchez, but neither of them are nfl qb's. jets making all the wrong circus moves and message boards everywhere are roaring with laughter. check them out, it's amusing.

IMO cap numbers make one player the starter and another player the de facto backup.

[Jetfanmack]

Good thing we banned the initial poster like the masses said we should.

[dmarz45]

This is either the best or worst move in franchise history. TBD......

[Skicats]

I would have liked this alot more, if we hadn't already spent 1+ million on the Lions 3rd stringer.

[al_toon_88]

Check it out...

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Last night:
"We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight"

After Tebow signed:
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ESPN is already reporting it.

Cromartie is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

I guess if Tebow had fathered 15 kids with 12 different women, and didn't pay his child support (and refused to tackle on the field), he'd be considered a hero.

Some of you haters would treat Tebow with more respect if he was a serial killer, rapist, or child molester; but because he's a Christian, you despise him.

[xxedge72x]

This is either the best or worst move in franchise history. TBD......

Over...reaction...

[PJ4Ever]

Cromartie is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

Some of you haters would treat Tebow with more respect if he was a serial killer, rapist, or child molester; but because he's a Christian, you despise him.

People who hate Tebow hate him because he's an atrocious qb, not because he's Christian.

[Denny]

I think the Jets just got fun again. Tebow will heal the locker room. Ha ha. What are you kidding me? Fuggetaboutit.....Everybody stop knee jerking.

Knee-jerk
A spontaneous, thoughless, predictable and stereotypical reaction to something, usually an opinion or a statement.

[dmarz45]

Cromartie is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

Some of you haters would treat Tebow with more respect if he was a serial killer, rapist, or child molester; but because he's a Christian, you despise him.

nobody despises him bc hes Christian. Its because he is a sideshow act and can divide our locker room....

[fozzi58]

.....Next and most important to me. I have read too many posts about Sanchez and what this will do to his psyche. Well, the mistake the fo has made with him from the beginning was not having anyone behind him pushing him. This resulted in him not progressing as much as he should have. Instead, we watched him slide backwards. To avoid the calls of the fans for Tebow, Sanchez now has to put the time in film, study, practice and then perform on Sundays. So, this signing will make him or break him! I hope it will wake him up and push him towards greatness.

This is one of the ludicrous arguments I keep seeing. For anyone to think MS came in and was chilling out on the couch in the coaches room instead of "working" you obviously have no competitive streak in you at all.

Anyone that competes at anything, always wants to be better. Its about beating the other guy every time. This is a straw man argument. Every QB, with very few exceptions (Think Leaf, Jamarcus Chubby) put tons of work in to perfect their craft and get better.

Not have a "Manning" behind Sanchez is a ridiculous and media infatuated and fed bullshit line. So you are saying Peyton Manning wasn't motivated enough because Jim Sorgi was the backup? Arron Rodgers WAS motivated cause the great Flynn was backing him up? C'mon.

[ShadeTree#55]

Maybe we will get lucky and Manning will hurt his neck before the season and we can flip Tebow back to Denver.

[Scruggy]

J-E-†-S Je†s Je†s Je†s!!!

[CJLang]

nobody despises him bc hes Christian. Its because he is a sideshow act and can divide our locker room....

How do you figure. You guys had a tremendously divided lockerroom this past year, while Tebow managed to pull the Broncos all in the same direction...

[NJBeliever]

nobody despises him bc hes Christian. Its because he is a sideshow act and can divide our locker room....

Have you read the comments in this thread?

[fggrimes]

I don't mind the deal at all. I see him as a Brad Smith replacement for the Wildcat role.

I'm a Sanchez fan, and I think with a new OC he should do fine this season. However, if Tebow's presence and fans chanting for a back-up QB during a rough game so damages his psyche that he can't do the job, then it wouldn't matter if it were Greg McElroy or Drew Stanton backing him up, then he's simply not up to the job.

[dmarz45]

How do you figure. You guys had a tremendously divided lockerroom this past year, while Tebow managed to pull the Broncos all in the same direction...


Yeah exactly... this could potential divide our locker room even more and just ruin our QB. Once Sanchez loses a game everybody will be calling for Tebow and he's no better.

[Cman55]

Maybe we will get lucky and Manning will hurt his neck before the season and we can flip Tebow back to Denver.

There's always Wayne Hunter...

[NYSackXchange]

And I remember the Jets moving up to get Revis because the pats wanted him? Whats the point? You really do not believe this happens? We did not defend Tebow too well last year did we? Just an opinion...

I laugh when I read this stuff. Not one report yesterday even mentions the Pats as a team vying for Tebow. Also, the Pats have a boatload of draft picks and could have easily outbid the Jets or anyone for him.

Besides, how much more offense do the Pats need? They need defense, and lots of it.

I seriously doubt that the Jets did this to somehow circumvent a Pats move... but if they did, I think it's funny. No way they run their organization that way, you'd like to think.

Remember the Jets moving up a bunch of picks to get Robertson because the word was the Pats were going to?

[HackettStillSux]

Maybe I am missing the point to this: Can someone please name a better Back-Up QB available for just 1.1M per year?

[milo]

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Look long and hard guys. They're about to be everywhere.

[al_toon_88]

People who hate Tebow hate him because he's an atrocious qb, not because he's Christian.

Some do, some don't. If you're discounting the Christian angle, you have blinders on. I've heard and read enough bile to know otherwise.

If what you argue were true, there would be Tarvaris Jackson, Colt McCoy, and Blaine Gabbert hate messages appearing everywhere...

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Look long and hard guys. They're about to be everywhere.

Already ordered mine!

[dmarz45]

Already ordered mine!

how much???

[Johnny "Lam" Jones]

Great move. wildcat on speed.

Lam

[jetzfan]

Not the analysis I expected on ESPN...

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Good read,,I think he will be another Brad Smith,,maybe a little slower but stronger and a better threat to pass the ball. Give him a chance.

[MarkyMark]

Great move. wildcat on speed.

Lam

You think it's worth trading a 4th and 6th for a player who will most likely see 5 snaps a game?

[dmarz45]

@BrianDawkins
@TimTebow, I wanna thank u, 4 wht u helped us do last year. On the field & off! I have NO doubt that u will B a blessing 4 the Jets!

Lets hope you're right BDawk

[SufferingJetsFan]

Elway must be the happiest guy around. He got Manning and wasted no time dumping his biggest headache.

[EcKo151]

This organization will never get it right...

#SLW

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[NYSackXchange]

How can you bring Manning into the Sanchez discussion? Competition will push you towards greatness. I saw the story the other day on espn about stink always told rookies to come to the stadium on Tuesdays, which is when the pats always brought in players to compete for someones job. Competition pushes you to do better. Just my opinion.

This is one of the ludicrous arguments I keep seeing. For anyone to think MS came in and was chilling out on the couch in the coaches room instead of "working" you obviously have no competitive streak in you at all.

Anyone that competes at anything, always wants to be better. Its about beating the other guy every time. This is a straw man argument. Every QB, with very few exceptions (Think Leaf, Jamarcus Chubby) put tons of work in to perfect their craft and get better.

Not have a "Manning" behind Sanchez is a ridiculous and media infatuated and fed bullshit line. So you are saying Peyton Manning wasn't motivated enough because Jim Sorgi was the backup? Arron Rodgers WAS motivated cause the great Flynn was backing him up? C'mon.

[wildaces]

I realize we want to cut down the sarcastic, slighting replies for every outlandish idea but....... AYFKM?

You were saying?

[The Future]

60+ pages, and it will only rise.

After about an hour or so of reviewing the trade, I'm still torn.

Sure, Sparano and the Wildcat + Tebow has potential to be really solid, but the media/locker room WILL have a major factor in how Tebow performs here. It's that simple.

[hijinx]

Media hype aside. I'm happy. I love me some football.

[dmarz45]

Seeing Tebow do the flight boys celebration after he is finishing Tebowing is gonna be hilarious!!!

[RevSmitty73]

Yeah exactly... this could potential divide our locker room even more and just ruin our QB. Once Sanchez loses a game everybody will be calling for Tebow and he's no better.

Explain to me where it says that Sanchez has a divine right to the Quarterback position? This is killing me. Sanchez had a mediocre to bad year last year, why is there such angst to even let him have just a little competition? If Sanchez's psyche is really that fragile, he doesn't belong as an NFL quarterback, plain and simple. Look what Tebow went through all last year. He sat behind Orton and did nothing but say the right things and do the right things, and when given a chance succeeded and led his team to a playoff win.

[davecrazy]

I hope Sanchez and Tebow and the Jets are ready for the biggest QB controversy ever in the NFL. And it will last from the press conference this week till the last post game of the year. And it will never end till one of them is no longer a Jet.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Trent Dilfer: "You could write a book about how NOT to raise a young QB in the NFL and just call it JETS!"

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For what it's worth.... Rex Ryan, Tony Sparano and Tim Tebow are all represented by Jimmy Sexton. #nfl

[MarkyMark]

Trent Dilfer: "You could write a book about how NOT to raise a young QB in the NFL and just call it JETS!"

Funny thing is they did it correctly the first couple years. Great defense and running game.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

I hope Sanchez and Tebow and the Jets are ready for the biggest QB controversy ever in the NFL. And it will last from the press conference this week till the last post game of the year. And it will never end till one of them is no longer a Jet.

A truer thing has never been said.

I don't think Woody understands what the Jets have just done here. If they have a weak season next year he and the organization are going to be the kind of laughingstock that doesn't wash away easily if at all.

[wildaces]

Ok this is definitely ban worthy. What a stupid stupid idea

Thank God we have actual moderators to think for you.

[dmarz45]

Explain to me where it says that Sanchez has a divine right to the Quarterback position? This is killing me. Sanchez had a mediocre to bad year last year, why is there such angst to even let him have just a little competition? If Sanchez's psyche is really that fragile, he doesn't belong as an NFL quarterback, plain and simple. Look what Tebow went through all last year. He sat behind Orton and did nothing but say the right things and do the right things, and when given a chance succeeded and led his team to a playoff win.

The thing is that Tebow is WORSE then Sanchez and everybody thinks he's better.

[Banjo]

This will be the greatest season in Jets history. Oh yes.

[NYJets17]

The Jets offer for Tebow is a 6th and a 2013 conditional pick which could be up to a 4th...

He got the picks right :)

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Funny thing is they did it correctly the first couple years. Great defense and running game.

No, they didn't. They didn't go ground and pound until Sanchez had been raked over the coals several times. They drafted him and threw him on the field and yelled "SUPER BOWL!" They changed his personnel around endlessly with Mike Tannenbaum trying out wide receivers the way a high school girl changes outfits.

Nothing the Jets have done with Mark Sanchez has been an effective way to develop a young QB and now they have just done probably the most stupid thing they could possibly do. Signing Peyton would at least have meant cutting Sanchez. Now they have locked themselves in with him for two years and thrown the worst possible QB controversy in his face. A controversy created not by his opponent's skills but by his beliefs.

I already saw Tannenbaum as a weak player for the Jets. This move is making me heavily re-evaluate Woody Johnson as well.

[Jetzz]

A truer thing has never been said.

I don't think Woody understands what the Jets have just done here. If they have a weak season next year he and the organization are going to be the kind of laughingstock that doesn't wash away easily if at all.

I have to agree... they just popped a can of dumbass all over themselves with this one... :sad:

[Johnny "Lam" Jones]

You think it's worth trading a 4th and 6th for a player who will most likely see 5 snaps a game?

Would Brad Smith be worth a 4 and a 6?

Tebow will be great running the wildcat.

I can only see good things happening with this move.

Now of course he sucks as a regular under center QB, but as a running
QB ith an occasional pass thrown in. :-) Tebow will do great in his limited roll.


Lam

[dmarz45]

I have a feeling the NFL is about to see a whole new type of offense like they've never seen before. Its gonna be crazy...

[wildaces]

Banworthy? So all the months of posts begging for Chad Henne were ok? And all the people who want McElroy over Sanchez? lol c'mon. I said Tebow would be a great Brad Smith type player nothing more. I'd like to discuss the needs of the team, but most threads don't. Hence the thread of Green-Ellis.

Welcome to the board of in the box thinking. Don't ever look outside the box. This is not a message forum, but a cult of one way of thinking.

You will get used to it.

Pssst, this is sarcasm for those that can't tell.

[HackettStillSux]

Trent Dilfer: "You could write a book about how NOT to raise a young QB in the NFL and just call it JETS!"


I'm pretty sure I saw Trent Dilfer working for Wall-Mart

[The Future]

I have a feeling the NFL is about to see a whole new type of offense like they've never seen before. Its gonna be crazy...

Please explain how this new type of offense will be run.

Seriously.

What different can Tebow bring to this Jets offense besides the Wildcat under Sparano which the league is already familiar with?

[Cakes]

This is either the best or worst move in franchise history. TBD......

No shot it will be the worst when you consider some of the assholes they wasted 1st rd picks on thriugh the years.

[HackettStillSux]

Again, I ask: How did the Jets do wrong in getting a fully capable back-up QB who can run the Wildcat for 1.1M?

[davecrazy]

I like how people are comparing him to Brad Smith like half of the stadium was ever calling for Brad Smith to be a full time QB like it will be with Tebow.

[fozzi58]

I just ordered my #15 Jersey with "I'm Pro Choice" on the back...

lmao

[HackettStillSux]

No shot it will be the worst when you consider some of the assholes they wasted 1st rd picks on thriugh the years.


See: Robertson, Dewayne.

[PJ4Ever]

Again, I ask: How did the Jets do wrong in getting a fully capable back-up QB who can run the Wildcat for 1.1M?

Because they didn't get a fully capable backup QB.

[Don]

A truer thing has never been said.

I don't think Woody understands what the Jets have just done here. If they have a weak season next year he and the organization are going to be the kind of laughingstock that doesn't wash away easily if at all.

I think Woody understands exactly what he has done here and it has little to do with the Jets..or at least not entirely to do with the Jets.

[fozzi58]

I like how people are comparing him to Brad Smith like half of the stadium was ever calling for Brad Smith to be a full time QB like it will be with Tebow.

You mean like how half the stadium was calling for Kellen Clemens to take over for Chad in 2007? Yeah, I was sitting behind a row of those assholes the whole season...

[MarkyMark]

Would Brad Smith be worth a 4 and a 6?

Tebow will be great running the wildcat.

I can only see good things happening with this move.

Now of course he sucks as a regular under center QB, but as a running
QB ith an occasional pass thrown in. :-) Tebow will do great in his limited roll.


Lam

Eh. Brad Smith was also a special teams ace (tackling and kick returning) plus chipped in catching the ball for 300+ receiving yards. Can Tebow duplicate that?

[Reece]

Where's my popcorn.. this is going to be a good show

[dmarz45]

I just ordered my #15 Jersey with "I'm Pro Choice" on the back...

lmao

somebody should get a #15 jersey with Christ on the back lol

[Cakes]

Scott Frost was a "football" player too.
Frost was not a good one, so what is your point?

[davecrazy]

You mean like how half the stadium was calling for Kellen Clemens to take over for Chad in 2007? Yeah, I was sitting behind a row of those assholes the whole season...

And those guys never bought billboards for Clemens like the Tebow fans have done in the past and will do again.

[JetBlue]

How can you bring Manning into the Sanchez discussion? Competition will push you towards greatness. I saw the story the other day on espn about stink always told rookies to come to the stadium on Tuesdays, which is when the pats always brought in players to compete for someones job. Competition pushes you to do better. Just my opinion.

because the argument people are trying to make is that competition is required to push you towards greatness, not that it can do so if you aren't self driven. they are claiming that Sanchez hasn't excelled because he hasn't worked hard enough due to a lack of competition.

that is completely made up and nobody claiming such has anything tangible to base that on.

if competition was so dire, every great QB in history would haven't have been as successful if they were not driven by competition by another player. so, Manning is a perfect example because who was the great QB that drove him to succeed out of fear of losing his job? what about Joe Montana? the list goes on and on.

you don't need competition from another player to be great if you are self-motivated and have a personal competitive desire to succeed.

[cbman13]

It's a win win. Sanchez is under a gun to perform like never before now. We have our wildcat from the days of brad smith back at the very least. At the worst Sanchez Crumbles and Tebow takes over.

[wildaces]

what does "good with a headset" mean? I ask because while the #1 knock on tebow is his horrific throwing mechanics the #1A knock on him is that he has no idea how to read a defense. If his #1 option wasn't open last year he ran. So what exactly would he be contributing with a headset on?

"RUN, MARK...RUN"

If i wanted somebody to wear the headset i'd much rather have mcelroy, brunell...hell pennington would be awesome "wearing a headset" and all of them would be as good or better than tebow if they had to play.

FYI, the Mic cuts out after the ball is snapped, from what I understand.

[Don]

Gotta love ESPN...to a man (or woman) they are marching to the microphone to say why this is such a bad move by the Jets..of course most of them were saying yesterday that he should be traded to the Patriots...what does that say? Do they have no sense of shame at all?...lol

[deathstar]

So does he get a chance to compete to start?

[GreenGreek]

Tebow Snap Prediction:

3-5 snaps per game in the Wildcat
3-5 snaps per game as the short yardage QB
5-7 snaps per game at a non-QB position (HB, TE, etc.)

[KurtTheJetsFan]

I hope Sanchez and Tebow and the Jets are ready for the biggest QB controversy ever in the NFL. And it will last from the press conference this week till the last post game of the year. And it will never end till one of them is no longer a Jet.

Than so be it. didn't the media & unidentified Jet players just get done 2 months ago proclaiming that Sanchez needed someone to "push him"? You can't have it both ways.

Tebow is perfect in the sense that he doesn't threaten just Sanchez..he threatens the entire conventional passing game. If sanchez doesn't move the ball downfield & the offense is flat, they can switch to a power wild cat ran by Tebow.

[fozzi58]

So does he get a chance to compete to start?

Hopefully not

[xmscott]

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Comp pct on passes of 20+ yds: Sanchez 25.6, Tebow 25.9, per ESPN Stats. #Jets


lol

[colleen74]

Actual question:

Has any team ever been successful with 2 QBs that are fairly equal (or close to it) in skill working as a "team" and playing off each other?

[KurtTheJetsFan]

A truer thing has never been said.

I don't think Woody understands what the Jets have just done here. If they have a weak season next year he and the organization are going to be the kind of laughingstock that doesn't wash away easily if at all.

With all due respect, your precious Steelers have gone down this same road a time or 2. Kordell Stewart ring a bell?

[joolander]

You mean like how half the stadium was calling for Kellen Clemens to take over for Chad in 2007? Yeah, I was sitting behind a row of those assholes the whole season...

I was one of those assholes cheering when kellen went in after Chad was owned by the ravens. Granted it was one of the drunkest I've ever been but I'd give my pinky toe to have Pennington back

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