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[ROCKJET]

That song is amazing :metal: Its by XX called INTRO

thanks!

freakin very cool

[raortega3]

I love Mark, no need to tell me . I was just pointing out that they had the same number of rushing TDs as the poster said but Tebow played a 3rd of the season less

I also would not say its Tebow's only claim to fame , Tebow has 6 4th quarter comebacks in 16 career starts at QB (all time NFL record in first 16 starts,).

Sanchez has 9 in 47 games.

Comebacks, although a sign of grit and guts, is also a sign of 3 poor quarters of play. Especially for the AFC West, that's not exactly a sign of proficiency.

[Bannon]

Does anybody really think that if John Elway thought there was a QB in that body to go along with Tim Tebow's heart and competitive drive that he'd have let anybody pry Tebow away from the Broncos?

I mean really?

I have no idea if John Elway is a good evaluator of talent at the QB position however I do know that he looked like that girl cat trying to squirm away from Pepe LePew from almost the moment he and Tebow came in close contact.

Isn't that worth something in the discussion? That a guy who had Tebow as his QB and profited from that by seeing his team in the playoffs for the first time in 5 years immediately ran screaming into the parking lot afterwards?
In other news, Michael Jordan is building a dynasty with the Bobcats.

[crna2112]

Anyone who believes Tebow's mechanics are good is having sunshine and rainbows blown up their ass. Tebow has some positives but throwing mechanics is not on that list.

Show me anywhere that I said he had good mechanics and I'll personally blow sunshine up your ass for your pleasure. I watched every snap of his last year and i can tell you that he had horrendous passes and beautiful passes as well. Many of the beautiful passes were dead on and dropped....multiple times per game. ESPN doesn't want you to see that though so unless you watched the game you wouldn't know.

Consistency is the key, he can do it, he just needs to work at it and improve. I *think* he can. IF he can become a decent passing QB, just merely decent mind you, he will be unstoppable and that is why he is worth taking the time to work with.

[whichfan]

Does anybody really think that if John Elway thought there was a QB in that body to go along with Tim Tebow's heart and competitive drive that he'd have let anybody pry Tebow away from the Broncos?

I mean really?

I have no idea if John Elway is a good evaluator of talent at the QB position however I do know that he looked like that girl cat trying to squirm away from Pepe LePew from almost the moment he and Tebow came in close contact.

Isn't that worth something in the discussion? That a guy who had Tebow as his QB and profited from that by seeing his team in the playoffs for the first time in 5 years immediately then ran screaming into the parking lot afterwards?


Yes and I have talked about it extensively. It has just as much to do with the Broncos, Elway's and Fox's vision, and their inability to put together a modern offense in order to take advantage of Tebow's ability as it does with Tebow's inability to provide them with what they need. Tebow was not drafted to run a conventional offense in Denver, he was drafted to run the spread option in Denver. When McDaniels left, Tebow's future left with him.

75% of their roster, and their entire coaching staff is designed for a completely different offense. Had Peyton not been available, they probably would have given him what he needed but Fox and his staff are STILL not the right guys to put together that type of offense. They would have also needed new coaching. Considering Peyton was available it made sense to pull the trigger and resume their original path.


To quote Fox back earlier in the year:

“It [the option] has kind of been done [in the NFL], but maybe not at the level we did,” coach John Fox said via MaxDenver.com. “[It's] asking a lot not just of Tim, but entire offense . . . we’ve kind of grown it as we’ve grown with Tim.”


But it also speaks volumes about what Tebow was able to do, with what they had, with them being 1-4 and where he took them.

And let's be clear. They NEVER managed to get that team as a whole to run the spread option the way it's supposed to run. Trying to teach veteran guys like Willis who has played his position one way and one way only his entire career how to do it completely different all of a sudden is a big challenge. But it doesn't mean the Jets don't have the personnel or the right guys. Sporano isn't McCoy. John took the easy way out. He's sticking with what he knows. John, Fox and their OC were in uncharted territory trying to put together this type of team.

Mike McCoy had one big, and very painful, reason to be wary of running the option offense.
When McCoy thinks "option," his mind drifts back to that September day in 1993, when, as the quarterback for the University of Utah, he ran the option play for the first — and only — time.
"I called it once up in Laramie when I was playing and broke my collarbone and my first rib," McCoy said. "I took the snap, and I got killed. It wasn't a good deal."


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The process started late last season, when McCoy and several other offensive assistant coaches, including running backs coach Eric Studesville and quarterbacks coach Adam Gase, began devising read-option plays for Tebow when he took over as starter for the final three games of the season.
They watched film of Tebow in college — he threw for 88 touchdowns and ran for 57 in his four years in Florida's spread-option offense. They watched tape of other college offenses as they scouted players before the 2011 draft and often wondered, "What would that look like in our playbook?"


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There is a big difference between a coach who has no prior experience, ins't a believer and learning on the fly and someone that is part innovator in a certain offensive philosophy or has actually had experience running the spread option.

So was Tebow ready and capable of running a conventional offense? No. There are much better options. If it was up to EFX they'd spend the next 5 years trying to convert Tebow into a pure pocket passer. But is EFX and the Denver team the most capable staff of putting together a spread option offense? NO! There are much better options. EFX simply don't believe in the offensive philosophy all together. Not just Tebow, but the offense itself. Thank God Sporano doesn't plan on trying to convert Tebow, but rather take advantage of what he brings to the table.

[mr nyjet]

Tebow to NY? Do you really want to see a sullen, pouty Sanchez on the sidelines for the length of his extension? I didn't think you would.


he's been coddled long enough! either step up or take a seat on the bench.

i saw the tuna pull vinny out of a game and romo, sims, also.

results are all that count. the rest is just b.s.

for what these guys are paid, they should not expect any guarantees.

there is competition for other positions. who says the qb should be exempt?

it's a passer's league and his stats are crappy.:sad:

[displacedfan]

Show me anywhere that I said he had good mechanics and I'll personally blow sunshine up your ass for your pleasure. I watched every snap of his last year and i can tell you that he had horrendous passes and beautiful passes as well. Many of the beautiful passes were dead on and dropped....multiple times per game. ESPN doesn't want you to see that though so unless you watched the game you wouldn't know.

Consistency is the key, he can do it, he just needs to work at it and improve. I *think* he can. IF he can become a decent passing QB, just merely decent mind you, he will be unstoppable and that is why he is worth taking the time to work with.

Two problems with your statement. All ESPN ever showed were his good passes when I watched. When I caught highlights of the game, I always saw him succeeding and ESPN fast forwarding to the 4th quarter. Not sure what you mean ESPN is hiding perfect throws. They showed mostly positive Tebow plays.NFL Network showed some of the more bad stuff but they also showed more of the good stuff because they weren't on a time constraint like ESPN

Also have a problem with the word unstoppable. I hope you are exaggerating just because there are better running/passing QB's that Tebow and they aren't unstoppable. I do believe you are exaggerating to say that he can become a successful starting QB, and you don't really mean unstoppable in the true sense of the word.

[mr nyjet]

yes let us base every assumption about Tebow on John Elway's decisions.

Give it time. Its going to work out.



how long did it take elway to wina division as a starter? a playoff game?

point is, he was not as good as tebow in terms of results in his first two years.

tebow got shafted by elway, and the raiders went to super bowls with quarterbacks disgarded by other teams ( gannon, plunket, lamonica).

[Demosthenes9]

Does anybody really think that if John Elway thought there was a QB in that body to go along with Tim Tebow's heart and competitive drive that he'd have let anybody pry Tebow away from the Broncos?

I mean really?

I have no idea if John Elway is a good evaluator of talent at the QB position however I do know that he looked like that girl cat trying to squirm away from Pepe LePew from almost the moment he and Tebow came in close contact.

Isn't that worth something in the discussion? That a guy who had Tebow as his QB and profited from that by seeing his team in the playoffs for the first time in 5 years immediately ran screaming into the parking lot afterwards?


Actually, yeah, I do believe it. Elway is convinced that the only way to win a SB is with a "traditional pocket passer" standing there like a statue and throwing the ball. He said this very thing many times over.

In my opinion, if he had been brought in and Cam Newton was the QB, he'd either try to get rid of him OR force him into a "conventional" NFL offense.

It's like in Moneyball. People get stuck in "conventional wisdom" and don't think out of the box.

[Demosthenes9]

Comebacks, although a sign of grit and guts, is also a sign of 3 poor quarters of play. Especially for the AFC West, that's not exactly a sign of proficiency.

And ironically enough, John Elway is a HoF QB and he is best known for his late game heroics and game winning comebacks :)

[Br4dw4y5ux]

@whichfan

But what's different about the Jets in terms of running the spread option?

Why are Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano going to have any more luck in reconfiguring the entire offense and all the personnel to run an offense that has never been seen in the NFL as more than an occasional gimmick?

Why is it going to be better for Denver or the Jets or anybody else for that matter to reconfigure their entire offense for the benefit of a single player who hasn't proven conclusively that the payoff will be worth it?

Your explanation makes me understand why Elway wanted no part of Tebow after figuring out what would have to be done to accommodate him.

[ConcordeChops]

Do people get paid for writing this shit?

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[9798]

att/comp per game in order:
13-27
18-39
10-22
2-8
9-21
9-18
10-15
21-40
11-23
13-29
6-22
10-21
9-26
that's each game in the order he played. is it me or does there seem to be a lack of improvement as you go game to game.
how about the 3rd down conversion rate:

4-16
2-14
3-12
5-14
3-13
5-16
3-11
5-17
4-10
2-13
5-18
3-10
7-18
does anyone see any trend here up or down?
these are things elway from the get go said TT would need to improve on if he were to succeed in the NFL as a QB.
everyone knows his record but let's dig alittle deeper into his stats. of course some will say these stats don't count. but I'll let everyone judge for themselves

[crna2112]

Two problems with your statement. All ESPN ever showed were his good passes when I watched. When I caught highlights of the game, I always saw him succeeding and ESPN fast forwarding to the 4th quarter. Not sure what you mean ESPN is hiding perfect throws. They showed mostly positive Tebow plays.NFL Network showed some of the more bad stuff but they also showed more of the good stuff because they weren't on a time constraint like ESPN

Also have a problem with the word unstoppable. I hope you are exaggerating just because there are better running/passing QB's that Tebow and they aren't unstoppable. I do believe you are exaggerating to say that he can become a successful starting QB, and you don't really mean unstoppable in the true sense of the word.

Nobody is unstoppable....if you're going to take me that literally let me just rephrase that to: really freaking hard to stop.

[Bannon]

Do people get paid for writing this shit?

That is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of a sport where that article gets written.

The sting of humiliation is greater because I saw Hunger Games opening night last night, but I took my two young daughters and they love the books. So my man card is safe.

[Hobbes3259]

@whichfan

But what's different about the Jets in terms of running the spread option?

Why are Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano going to have any more luck in reconfiguring the entire offense and all the personnel to run an offense that has never been seen in the NFL as more than an occasional gimmick?

Why is it going to be better for Denver or the Jets or anybody else for that matter to reconfigure their entire offense for the benefit of a single player who hasn't proven conclusively that the payoff will be worth it?

Your explanation makes me understand why Elway wanted no part of Tebow after figuring out what would have to be done to accommodate him.

Please...Elway's ego is bigger than BarryO's.


With Tebow, it's all risk, possible upside.

With Manning, it's NO risk, all upside.


He made the BOLD BIG MOVE. If Manning gets hurt, or fails....well, he was damaged goods coming in....And you cant fault a GM for abandoning Tebow for a HoF.


(Just like you cant fault a GM for dumping Stanton for Tebow, ne'st ce pas?)

[Cakes]

Does anybody really think that if John Elway thought there was a QB in that body to go along with Tim Tebow's heart and competitive drive that he'd have let anybody pry Tebow away from the Broncos?

I mean really?

I have no idea if John Elway is a good evaluator of talent at the QB position however I do know that he looked like that girl cat trying to squirm away from Pepe LePew from almost the moment he and Tebow came in close contact.

Isn't that worth something in the discussion? That a guy who had Tebow as his QB and profited from that by seeing his team in the playoffs for the first time in 5 years immediately ran screaming into the parking lot afterwards?

C'mon really?

I understand your shtick is to bitch about everything, but c'mon.

If the Jets signed Manning, Sanchez would have been traded.

Manning is not coming off the field for certain packages. He is an established legit top notch QB. Sanchez, on the other hand, is a very questionable QB.

There was no upside in the Broncos keeping Tebow. It made no sense- Manning is not coming off the field, they cannot afford an expensive backup and Manning and Tebow are too different. With Sanchez and Tebow, you can have a run-heavy team. With Manning you need a strong passing attack.

[Hobbes3259]

That is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of a sport where that article gets written.

The sting of humiliation is greater because I saw Hunger Games opening night last night, but I took my two young daughters and they love the books. So my man card is safe.

Only if you made a boy too. ; )

Just kidding.

Nice work Dad!

[crna2112]

att/comp per game in order:
13-27
18-39
10-22
2-8
9-21
9-18
10-15
21-40
11-23
13-29
6-22
10-21
9-26
that's each game in the order he played. is it me or does there seem to be a lack of improvement as you go game to game.
how about the 3rd down conversion rate:

4-16
2-14
3-12
5-14
3-13
5-16
3-11
5-17
4-10
2-13
5-18
3-10
7-18
does anyone see any trend here up or down?
these are things elway from the get go said TT would need to improve on if he were to succeed in the NFL as a QB.
everyone knows his record but let's dig alittle deeper into his stats. of course some will say these stats don't count. but I'll let everyone judge for themselves

Go look up Joe Namaths completion percentages in his first 16 games. Or Terry Bradshaws.

Tebow has 1 year under his belt and for some reason he is expected to be flawless. Give him time to grow.

[JetBlue]

Does anybody really think that if John Elway thought there was a QB in that body to go along with Tim Tebow's heart and competitive drive that he'd have let anybody pry Tebow away from the Broncos?

I mean really?

I have no idea if John Elway is a good evaluator of talent at the QB position however I do know that he looked like that girl cat trying to squirm away from Pepe LePew from almost the moment he and Tebow came in close contact.

Isn't that worth something in the discussion? That a guy who had Tebow as his QB and profited from that by seeing his team in the playoffs for the first time in 5 years immediately ran screaming into the parking lot afterwards?
it isn't that good of a discussion because it isn't as if Elway gave up Tebow for some schlock QB to replace him. he just signed Manning for $90 million; he didn't need Tebow.

it would clearly be worth discussing if Elway gave up Tebow because he had some other QB he preferred that isn't a HOF'er. but he didn't.

nobody in their right mind would keep Tebow if they had Manning, so Elway did pretty much what everybody else in the world would do; that isn't a knock on Tebow.

and the last thing Elway was going to do was keep the Tebow-mania around when he doesn't need him as his QB.

[9798]

Tebow has 1 year under his belt and for some reason he is expected to be flawless. Give him time to grow.2 yrs,this will be his 3rd yr comming up. he started in his 1st yr. the point being although he can't be expected to be perfect,you should expect to see improvement as the season goes on.

[Demosthenes9]

2 yrs,this will be his 3rd yr comming up. he started in his 1st yr. the point being although he can't be expected to be perfect,you should expect to see improvement as the season goes on.

Tebow has 16 starts under his belt iirc, that equates to 1 full season. Also, don't forget the coaching change in the offseason as well as the change in offense in the middle of the season.

It's kind of like the situation that Alex Smith faced. Think that guy had something like 6 different OCs in 7 years and who knows how many HCs ? Extremely difficult for any QB to do well or even progress under that kind of instability.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

To all the people who keep talking about Manning being the reason Tebow was let go in Denver:

What are the two things guaranteed to destroy John Elway's tenure as Bronco GM?

An injury to Peyton Manning wiping out the Broncos season after Elway traded Tebow.

Peyton Manning being unable to play well due to the past injuries or age after Elway traded Tebow.

The X factor in all of this was Tim Tebow. If Elway thought Tebow could get better or reproduce the late wins last season he would never have put himself in the hotseat with Manning as he has done.

The fact that John Elway set himself up to look horrible in Denver if things went wrong now when he could just have never entered the Manning sweepstakes in the first place speaks volumes about how he really felt about Tim Tebow being anywhere near the Broncos QB position.

[9798]

it's nothing like alex smith,they kept the same offense as well as McCoy the offensive coordinator. the offense tebow was learning when he got drafted was the same offense fox went into this past season with. the change midseason was done to accomadate TT. they asked tebow what he was comfortable with & what he would do best in. hence the spread option.the spread option was what TT plays best at.

[catsigater]

Two problems with your statement. All ESPN ever showed were his good passes when I watched. When I caught highlights of the game, I always saw him succeeding and ESPN fast forwarding to the 4th quarter. Not sure what you mean ESPN is hiding perfect throws. They showed mostly positive Tebow plays.NFL Network showed some of the more bad stuff but they also showed more of the good stuff because they weren't on a time constraint like ESPN.

I can assure you ESPN showed plenty of footage of Tebow stinking up the field, which he sometimes did.

[pinktacoyum]

Tebow haters and Tebow fans. Its perfect storm for Tebow circus.
so everyone is to blame for it.

[catsigater]

@whichfan

But what's different about the Jets in terms of running the spread option?

Why are Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano going to have any more luck in reconfiguring the entire offense and all the personnel to run an offense that has never been seen in the NFL as more than an occasional gimmick?

Why is it going to be better for Denver or the Jets or anybody else for that matter to reconfigure their entire offense for the benefit of a single player who hasn't proven conclusively that the payoff will be worth it?

Your explanation makes me understand why Elway wanted no part of Tebow after figuring out what would have to be done to accommodate him.
Tebow has to get better as a passer. If he does, then all those concerns are moot.

[milcus]

2 yrs,this will be his 3rd yr comming up. he started in his 1st yr. the point being although he can't be expected to be perfect,you should expect to see improvement as the season goes on.

Better to win ugly than lose pretty.

That is why I think Manning is a moron. The Broncos have a mediocre defense (how many times did they get raped last year?), they have a mediocre line, their running game consisted of a fluke season from a guy who there is literally no chance will repeat his success from last year, and their receiving core was nothing special (Eric Decker, Thomas, etc..)

There is literally nothing special about that team, and Tebow won 8 games with them, including a playoff game.

And he improved from his first game to his last (excluding the NE game when from all accounts he was too injured to be effective).

With a great defense, a solid offensive line, Tone, and a decent running game, what are the chances he would not improve in NY and win 10 games, if he had to?

[9798]

I posted his stats show me the improvement.

[crna2112]

2 yrs,this will be his 3rd yr comming up. he started in his 1st yr. the point being although he can't be expected to be perfect,you should expect to see improvement as the season goes on.

I think it is widely understood that Tebow has never had an offseason to work on his game. Not only that, he was pushed to the side and forgotten while McDaniels was there as he was fighting to save his job. Tebow only started 3 games after basically being ignored that first season. He had no offseason due to the lockout, was again ignored by the staff under Fox until Orton was demoted.

He basically has 1 year of playing time under his belt with no development.

[VanderbiltJets]

Nice to know this thread's still popping off

[pinktacoyum]

Better to win ugly than lose pretty.

That is why I think Manning is a moron. The Broncos have a mediocre defense (how many times did they get raped last year?), they have a mediocre line, their running game consisted of a fluke season from a guy who there is literally no chance will repeat his success from last year, and their receiving core was nothing special (Eric Decker, Thomas, etc..)

There is literally nothing special about that team, and Tebow won 8 games with them, including a playoff game.

And he improved from his first game to his last (excluding the NE game when from all accounts he was too injured to be effective).

With a great defense, a solid offensive line, Tone, and a decent running game, what are the chances he would not improve in NY and win 10 games, if he had to?
^^^ this
Manning should have gone with 9ers.

[9798]

cam newton didn't have a offseason.tebow was so ignored that elway put orton on the trading block trying to trade orton to miami. if it wasn't for contract issues orton would've been a dolphin & tebow would've been the starter then.

[VanderbiltJets]

Tebow has 1 year under his belt and for some reason he is expected to be flawless. Give him time to grow.

We've got two QBs "developing and growing". The backup is the backup for a reason--> inferiority.

[catsigater]

Better to win ugly than lose pretty.

That is why I think Manning is a moron. The Broncos have a mediocre defense (how many times did they get raped last year?), they have a mediocre line, their running game consisted of a fluke season from a guy who there is literally no chance will repeat his success from last year, and their receiving core was nothing special (Eric Decker, Thomas, etc..)

There is literally nothing special about that team, and Tebow won 8 games with them, including a playoff game.

And he improved from his first game to his last (excluding the NE game when from all accounts he was too injured to be effective).

With a great defense, a solid offensive line, Tone, and a decent running game, what are the chances he would not improve in NY and win 10 games, if he had to?
Here's the rationale...

O-Line is young, but played almost every game together and should show significant improvement next year.

Thomas is looking more and more like a potentially stud receiver. Manning will make the receiver's better, and they may upgrade.

The Defense is the big question mark. They have some serious work to do on the middle of the D, from the line on back.

Manning himself should be worth at least 8-9 wins on that team. We'll see if they get the personnel in to bump that up.

[crna2112]

We've got two QBs "developing and growing". The backup is the backup for a reason--> inferiority.

We will see.

[catsigater]

cam newton didn't have a offseason.tebow was so ignored that elway put orton on the trading block trying to trade orton to miami. if it wasn't for contract issues orton would've been a dolphin & tebow would've been the starter then.
But Newton did have a front office and coaching staff committed to him from day one, as well as the luxury of taking first team snaps for the entire preseason.

Don't get me wrong, I think Cam is better than Tebow, but clearly Tebow was operating at a disadvantage compared to Cam when it came to getting what he needed to be successful from the beginning of training camp.

[crna2112]

cam newton didn't have a offseason.tebow was so ignored that elway put orton on the trading block trying to trade orton to miami. if it wasn't for contract issues orton would've been a dolphin & tebow would've been the starter then.

If you think 1st year QBs having the success Cam did is the norm then Ive got some beach front property to sell you in Tennessee.

[Demosthenes9]

it's nothing like alex smith,they kept the same offense as well as McCoy the offensive coordinator. the offense tebow was learning when he got drafted was the same offense fox went into this past season with. the change midseason was done to accomadate TT. they asked tebow what he was comfortable with & what he would do best in. hence the spread option.the spread option was what TT plays best at.

It's still a coaching change from a somewhat pass happy coach under McDaniels (who ran the offense and called the plays) to Fox, who is a run, run, then run again coach and McCoy calling plays and actually running the offense for pretty much the first time in his life.

Also, Denver rarely, if ever, ran the Spread Option. They used the Read/Option during the first three quarters, then, when behind, went to the Spread (not Spread Option) with a smattering of Read/Option, I formation and multiple back sets thrown in.

[crna2112]

Its OK to agree to disagree, 9798 has his opinion. No biggie.

[VanderbiltJets]

We will see.

And THAT attitude is what will allow Jets fans to survive this season. Let the season play out as the depth chart is currently written and make adjustments as injuries/transactions/crappiness happen.

[crna2112]

This is a bit off topic, but what the hell is vCash? LOL

[Bannon]

Only if you made a boy too. ; )

Just kidding.

Nice work Dad!

Actually, I did. And he was also there.

Shame on me.

[Rawrk]

This is a bit off topic, but what the hell is vCash? LOL

it's like street cred.

but for the internet.

so it's better.

[crna2112]

it's like street cred.

but for the internet.

so it's better.

Ahhhh, thanks. So why do I have 500 and others have 350 or even 25? How do you get, give, or take away this inter web street cred?

[Bannon]

Ahhhh, thanks. So why do I have 500 and others have 350 or even 25? How do you get, give, or take away this inter web street cred?

First rule of vCash: do not talk about vCash.

[milcus]

Here's the rationale...

O-Line is young, but played almost every game together and should show significant improvement next year.

Thomas is looking more and more like a potentially stud receiver. Manning will make the receiver's better, and they may upgrade.

The Defense is the big question mark. They have some serious work to do on the middle of the D, from the line on back.

Manning himself should be worth at least 8-9 wins on that team. We'll see if they get the personnel in to bump that up.

He is 36. He doesn't have 2 years to wait for that team to develop. On the Jets, he wins 12+ and has a chance at a SB in 2012. With the Broncos, he doesn't.

[crna2112]

First rule of vCash: do not talk about vCash.

:wink:

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[SkipBayless]

Tim Tebow Defense
CMP doesn’t always tell the story but I will get to that later. The game is about limiting turnovers and keeping your D off the field. Has only one year of experience. His coach's plays were low % passing plays. McGahee was an old RB that got his career restarted by Tebow. He also made Lance Ball, who was an undrafted free agent, an asset in the Denver offense. He rushed for 400 yards on 96 carries. The option increases a running back’s value.
A QB cannot do it all himself. Jets got one of the best Ds (6th) in the league. Tebow played the 20th best.
Sanchez has more experienced weapons. Look at the supporting cast of both teams last season. Wouldn’t you take Keller over Fells. LT over Ball and Holmes over Decker.
It really comes to TOs. Sanchez (28 Total TOs Tebow had 19) throws a lot of picks for a 3rd year starter just like Eli did. Can somebody check the total turnovers for Mark Sanchez? How many fumbles did he have that were not recovered? I just counted all the fumbles on the ESPN stats page for both.
Denver’s WR corp was in the bottom third in dropped passes. All his starting WR had less than 3 years of experience. Eddie Royal had so many dropped passes.

[SkipBayless]

Fox was out to get Tebow. 90% of Sanchez's passes were 20 yds and under. Tebow's 20 yds. and under plays made up 78.4% of his attempts. Here comes the stats that you don’t see on ESPN because they want to create a story. Tim Tebow had 269 pass attempts. This is the breakdown of his passes. Each decimal represents a percentage of his total throws: Longer than 40 (.0185) 31 – 40 (.078) 21 – 30 (.118) 11 – 20 (.312) 1 – 10 (.353) Behind the Line (.119). Mark Sanchez had 542 attempts: Longer (.0055) 31 – 40 (.016) 21 – 30 (.07) 11 – 20 (.249) 1 – 10 (.523) Behind the Line (.134). Tim Tebow had 32 attempts of the 21 to 30 pass yardage variety. Sanchez had 38. Why did Tebow’s play caller, McCoy, create so many deep plays? If a QR is not accurate you create short passes. Tebow had 269 attempts and Sanchez had 542, so roughly double. From a playcalling perspective, how does this make sense? Tebow had 21 attempts of the 31-40 variety while Sanchez had 9 attempts in twice as many throws. This explains Tebow’s low completion percentage. The longer the pass attempt the lower the percentage of a possible completion. Tebow did not get the shorter pass players to boost his CMP % like Sanchez. This is the Tebow hater’s biggest arguing point for why he sucks but they only listen to the ESPN hype machine. ESPN knows very well that this bullshit creates ratings. If Tebow’s percentage of pass plays under 20 yards was 90% like Sanchez’s his ending CMP % would be somewhere in the high 50’s. Let’s remember this is a QB that has one year of experience with a horrible offensive cast.

[catsigater]

He is 36. He doesn't have 2 years to wait for that team to develop. On the Jets, he wins 12+ and has a chance at a SB in 2012. With the Broncos, he doesn't.

Didn't say I agreed with the rationale, just trying to make the case.

[NJGREEN]

Wow, just wow at everything I have just read up to this point....

[raortega3]

Would Tebow........lie? He's obviously saving it for marriage. Why else would he wait this long?

To make you happy.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Oh man, if I was Tebow I jump on these flights because you know that Virgin is going to send the flight attendants at him in waves to see if they can break him.

[SkipBayless]

are these real Jets fans!?

[Rawrk]

quick question.

can someone explain how tebow is getting paid 6 million next year?

specifics please, not just that he unlocked bonuses.

[Bannon]

quick question.

can someone explain how tebow is getting paid 6 million next year?

specifics please, not just that he unlocked bonuses.

He's not. He had been paid all the guaranteed money in his contract for 2012, 2013, and 2014. They paid it ahead of time as a roster bonus last summer.

The fine print issue was that the contract said something like "if he is traded, the acquiring team has to reimburse Denver."

So all of that hoopla was over his annual guaranteed salary for the next 3 years -- it's such a bargain to get any of that sloughed off on his prior team.

[Steelersrule]

All his money goes to his "Lord and Saviour" Rush Limbaugh.:drunk:

[Demosthenes9]

He's not. He had been paid all the guaranteed money in his contract for 2012, 2013, and 2014. They paid it ahead of time as a roster bonus last summer.

The fine print issue was that the contract said something like "if he is traded, the acquiring team has to reimburse Denver."

So all of that hoopla was over his annual guaranteed salary for the next 3 years -- it's such a bargain to get any of that sloughed off on his prior team.

I think he is. You are kind of right about part of it. Tebow was signed to a 5 year contract with about $8.7 Mil of that guaranteed. For financial/cash flow reasons, the Broncos went ahead and paid the guaranteed part in advance last year. Rough number, but $8.7 mil / 5 years = $1.74 mil per year. He played 2 years and got paid for that, but they also paid him $1.74*3 which is just over $5 mil.

That covers the guaranteed part of his base contract. BUT, there were performance / roster bonus numbers also. All told, if Tebow hit all of his bonuses, he stood to make $33 mil in those 5 years.

Question is, which did he hit while at Denver, and do they carry over ? If so, he might very well be making $6 mil or whatever with the Jets and they will be footing the bill for it (minus that guaranteed part of the base salary, which has already been paid).

[Bannon]

I think he is. You are kind of right about part of it. Tebow was signed to a 5 year contract with about $8.7 Mil of that guaranteed. For financial/cash flow reasons, the Broncos went ahead and paid the guaranteed part in advance last year. Rough number, but $8.7 mil / 5 years = $1.74 mil per year. He played 2 years and got paid for that, but they also paid him $1.74*3 which is just over $5 mil.

That covers the guaranteed part of his base contract. BUT, there were performance / roster bonus numbers also. All told, if Tebow hit all of his bonuses, he stood to make $33 mil in those 5 years.

Question is, which did he hit while at Denver, and do they carry over ? If so, he might very well be making $6 mil or whatever with the Jets and they will be footing the bill for it (minus that guaranteed part of the base salary, which has already been paid).

They carry over, but they are unlikely to be reached. He needs to start and reach many milestones, and the average would reach $11 million a year.

[Demosthenes9]

They carry over, but they are unlikely to be reached. He needs to start and reach many milestones, and the average would reach $11 million a year.

What I meant by "carry over" was whether him hitting some metric in 2011 automatically bumped his salary for the rest of the contract, or just that year. I know for a fact that he met some of those numbers last year.

[Demosthenes9]

Here's some of the details, but still leaves questions unanswered:

Base salary

2010: $1.295 million (fully guaranteed)

2011: $1.618.75 million (fully guaranteed)

2012: $1.942.5 million (fully guaranteed)

2013: $2.266.75 million (fully guaranteed)

2014: $2.590.5 million ($567,500 guaranteed)

Advance/Signing bonus

$975,000 on Friday (salary reduced to $325,000)

$6.275 million due 29 days after start of 2011 league year. Typically season starts March 1, but it's written this way in case work stoppage delays start of season. (Salaries from 2011-14 reduced to offset advance)

One-time playing time bonus (contractually considered likely to be earned)

Tebow collects $1.537.5 million if he plays 35 percent of the offensive snaps in 2010, or 45 percent of the snaps in any of the seasons 2011-14. The bonus rolls over from year to year until Tebow reaches the playing-time threshold, and expires the first time he hits it.

Mid-tier incentives (Contractually considered unlikely to earn)

Value of Tebow's contract doubles from $11.25 million (including one-time playing time bonus) to $22.5 million if he reaches multiple thresholds, including:

55 percent playing time in two of his first three seasons, 2010-12, or 70 percent playing time in 2013.

The Broncos make the playoffs, he reaches certain QB ranking thresholds, and receives unspecified honors.

Max value (contractually considered unlikely to earn)

The total value of Tebow's contract can escalate to $33 million if the Broncos reach the playoffs multiple times in his first four years, he has multiple top 5 QB rankings, and he has multiple league honors such as NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP.

[xmscott]

We should use tebow and his god like powers to win the super bowl this year. And trade him for a 2nd in 2013. Never let him touch the balls more than 10 times a game. Unless its really working, which it cant for long.

This is if we use him in the Brad Smith role. If the media doesnt drive Sanchez crazy. Havent heard from our #1 QB yet have we. Waiting for that.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

We're not going to hear from Sanchez on this, other than "Tim's a great competitor and he'll help us win." I'm pretty sure on that.

[xmscott]

No thanks. I want to come out say this is my job.

[xmscott]

“Nothing Tim does surprises me,” former high school teammate Ryan Lewis said this week. “It’s very hard to be on the same team as him or even be around him and not buy into the whole Tim Tebow phenomenon. It’s more powerful than you know.”

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Great.....

[Dirtywater]

Question: Are most Jets fans under the impression that Tebow is coming to the Jets to go from a starting NFL QB who won a playoff game to:

A) someone who will do whatever role they ask, even if that means he's no longer a starting QB. Playing in certain situations, etc.. Basically accepting a non-starting role.

Or

B) someone who is looking to become the starting QB of the Jets.

I know there is some middle ground, but in a general sense I'm curious. I'm not sure I know the answer, but knowing athletes I think he wants to win that job from Sanchez. I dont know how you go from winning a playoff game in the NFL to becoming a situational player. I could be completely wrong though.

[RutgersJET]

Question: Are most Jets fans under the impression that Tebow is coming to the Jets to go from a starting NFL QB who won a playoff game to:

A) someone who will do whatever role they ask, even if that means he's no longer a starting QB. Playing in certain situations, etc.. Basically accepting a non-starting role.

Or

B) someone who is looking to become the starting QB of the Jets.

I know there is some middle ground, but in a general sense I'm curious. I'm not sure I know the answer, but knowing athletes I think he wants to win that job from Sanchez. I dont know how you go from winning a playoff game in the NFL to becoming a situational player. I could be completely wrong though.

As a #2 I hope he tries to win that job from Sanchez. As Sanchez being #1 I hope he doesn't let Tebow anywhere near that starting spot. In this way they can make each other better. I don't see what the fuss is about if your #2 QB is gunning for the starting job. Sanchez gets paid too much to be a little bitch and not accept some competition.

[CowboysFan]

Great.....

I can't read the article ( on iPad) and I can't embed this link ( sorry) but check it out and it could explain the hero worship in high school

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[JetBlue]

Question: Are most Jets fans under the impression that Tebow is coming to the Jets to go from a starting NFL QB who won a playoff game to:

A) someone who will do whatever role they ask, even if that means he's no longer a starting QB. Playing in certain situations, etc.. Basically accepting a non-starting role.

Or

B) someone who is looking to become the starting QB of the Jets.

I know there is some middle ground, but in a general sense I'm curious. I'm not sure I know the answer, but knowing athletes I think he wants to win that job from Sanchez. I dont know how you go from winning a playoff game in the NFL to becoming a situational player. I could be completely wrong though.
I don't think you can just dismiss the middle ground as a viable option and you certainly can't get an honest opinion of the fanbase by doing so.

I think he is both -- willing to perform whatever the role the Jets have for him that helps them win and wants the starting job.

but that is why the entire "he is coming to take the starting job" worry is no big deal. every player in the NFL that isn't a starter wants to be, and whether they will get it will be based on performance. it isn't as if Tebow is going to somehow manipulate, bribe or blackmail Rex into making him the starter, so what Tebow wants is of absolutely zero concern to Jet fans because it isn't his decision.

[june19]

As a #2 I hope he tries to win that job from Sanchez. As Sanchez being #1 I hope he doesn't let Tebow anywhere near that starting spot. In this way they can make each other better. I don't see what the fuss is about if your #2 QB is gunning for the starting job. Sanchez gets paid too much to be a little bitch and not accept some competition.

Amen to that!:metal:

[Cakes]

To all the people who keep talking about Manning being the reason Tebow was let go in Denver:

What are the two things guaranteed to destroy John Elway's tenure as Bronco GM?

An injury to Peyton Manning wiping out the Broncos season after Elway traded Tebow.

Peyton Manning being unable to play well due to the past injuries or age after Elway traded Tebow.

The X factor in all of this was Tim Tebow. If Elway thought Tebow could get better or reproduce the late wins last season he would never have put himself in the hotseat with Manning as he has done.

The fact that John Elway set himself up to look horrible in Denver if things went wrong now when he could just have never entered the Manning sweepstakes in the first place speaks volumes about how he really felt about Tim Tebow being anywhere near the Broncos QB position.
I vehemently disagree and for reasons I already mentioned and you ignored.

[typeOnegative13NY]

To all the people who keep talking about Manning being the reason Tebow was let go in Denver:

What are the two things guaranteed to destroy John Elway's tenure as Bronco GM?

An injury to Peyton Manning wiping out the Broncos season after Elway traded Tebow.

Peyton Manning being unable to play well due to the past injuries or age after Elway traded Tebow.

The X factor in all of this was Tim Tebow. If Elway thought Tebow could get better or reproduce the late wins last season he would never have put himself in the hotseat with Manning as he has done.

The fact that John Elway set himself up to look horrible in Denver if things went wrong now when he could just have never entered the Manning sweepstakes in the first place speaks volumes about how he really felt about Tim Tebow being anywhere near the Broncos QB position.

Regardless it doesn't matter,because we did not give up our starting qb to bring him here.

[Sir Thomas]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't throw Tim in the trash till you give him a chance. I don't know if any of you kept up with the soap opera in Denver but it's enough to make a man (or woman) sick. Denver grabs Tim Tebow in the draft when other teams like Jacksonville wanted him. Changed his throwing motion (pitch from the hip like a baseball pitcher) to reduce the chance of the ball being knocked loose. Throws him in as a clutch player in 2010. No training camp in 2011 to speak of because of the lockout. Announced Tim as the starter and trades Orton and then brings Orton back as starter. Orton take Denver to a 2-4 start. Again trading Orton. Tim rally's a 2-4 Denver to 8-8 and beat the Steelers in the playoffs. Belichick knows Tim and knows how to beat him so the Broncs get slaughtered by the Patriots. Elway after the 2011 season says "Tim is our man, I'll personally work with him offseason" then dumps Tim and grabs Manning. This would be enough to win an Oscar.
Tim did the best he could with what he had under the circumstances he was under. A "team" wins games. Tim knows that and will tell you that. Sure Tim needs work on his passing, reads and excecution. He knows that and he tell you that. Look at Tim as a team player and not let all the hype surrounding him pit you against him or for him. He will do everything he can to get the Jets to the playoffs whether he plays or warms the bench.

[Don]

Here's some of the details, but still leaves questions unanswered:

I have no idea what that says but the total cost to the Jets over 3 years is 6 mil.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

I have no idea what that says but the total cost to the Jets over 3 years is 6 mil.

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2012: $1,572,500
2013: $6,055,000
2014: $7,145,000

[MDBigDog]

I've been talking about different bits and pieces of this trade with various friends and while I'm still not truly a fan of this trade here is my two cents:

1. If Sanchez performs as he should Tebow will be a role player and backup QB
2. As a role player he can add something to the offense if used properly - this is probably his niche anyway and he should embrace it
3. As a backup QB he's cheap
4. If Sanchez performs and Tebow actually grows as a QB he can possibly be traded in the future for more than the Jets gave up for him (which wasn't really much)
5. The Jets have already incorporated the wildcat while Sanchez was here so it should not affect any "flow" or "rhythm"
6. If the wildcat plays are successful and extend drives than they may sort of pay for themselves in the sense of extending drives that might not have been extended otherwise and lead to more points. By this I mean he's not necessarily taking plays away from Sanchez
7. We as fans should try to be a bit less reactionary and not call for Sanchez's head anytime he makes a mistake. EVERY QB has bad games from time to time and as long as they are not the norm and that his good games outweigh the bad (ideally they should far outweigh the bad) a QB is doing their job - Sure a QB like Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rogers can help a team win a few more games though they cannot do that consistently unless the rest of the team makes a play or two. Look at Peyton's career (and I'm not comparing Sanchez to him). He was good enough to keep his team in games despite no real running game and an inconsistent defense. That being said, he pretty much had to be close to perfect if they wanted to win and many games came down to him keeping them close and his D making that one big stop at the end of the game to give him one more chance.

That is something our D has not yet been able to do consistently by the way so we're still not at a place where we can rely on them fully to win us games.

The bottom line is that this could work out very well for us if every one does their part and we won't know anything until the season starts. Everything we read in the media is pure hype and speculation about potential issues. I'm not saying it won't happen or we the FO handled this well, just saying until we see what actually happens on the field we have no clue who good or bad this will be.

Plus no matter what we still need a RT who can block, a S who can cover and someone who can actually rush the passer.

[ScotsJet]

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2012: $1,572,500
2013: $6,055,000
2014: $7,145,000

Those figures changed in the new contract Tebow signed on Friday.

[Sir Thomas]

Sure Tebow wants to play. He's a quarterback. If I remember correctly there were several occasions that Florida used a wildcat formation with Tim as the set back and Percy Harvin under center. He could used in a spread or set as a running back position on an option with Sanchez. Three main things Tebow needs to work on is passing, especially quick shorts; reading and holding on to the ball when he does run. At Denver he was told to be ready to throw the ball when he scramble? How can you tuck the ball in when you are cocked to throw while scrambling?

[Sir Thomas]

Manning was offered a 96 million dollar 5 year contract, $18 million guarateed the first year and $20 million in 2013 and 2014 if he passes the physical in 2013. Would you pay $18 million for a used sports car?

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Manning was offered a 96 million dollar 5 year contract, $18 million guarateed the first year and $20 million in 2013 and 2014 if he passes the physical in 2013. Would you pay $18 million for a used sports car?

Would you pay $18 million for a new sports car?

[deathstar]

We've got two QBs "developing and growing". The backup is the backup for a reason--> inferiority.

Tebow has a ceiling since his mechanics will always hinder him.

Sanchez is the one that can continue to develop and grow.

You won't win a Super Bowl with either QB...But Sanchez gives you the better shot if he is starting...

[NJGREEN]

Tebow and Sanchez can both improve, and both posses the ability to win the superbowl. Some fans are so pessemistic. I see the glass as half full and cant wait until next season...

[deathstar]

Tebow and Sanchez can both improve, and both posses the ability to win the superbowl. Some fans are so pessemistic. I see the glass as half full and cant wait until next season...

One can't improve since he was awful at a NFL style offense...

He was only decent in a gimicky offense that won't work going forward as teams have video to adapt to it.

The Dolphins wild cat offense was very successful only its in 1st year...

The years after it was pure shit and was a waste of a down...

Face it, his mechanics will always suck and he will have to be used a wild cat QB even though teams after year 1 of the Dolphins experience figured out how to make it useless.

Only Sanchez can lead you to a Super Bowl...

The funny thing is that you guys are going to use Tebow in the redzone....which is stupid as the Jets last year were in the top among redzone efficiency for Touchdowns...

You are going to screw with the only thing that was successful last year...

This "experiment" has disaster written all over it...But we shall see...

[b.reyes16]

A lot of draft gurus expected Tebow to come out of the draft as a TE. Obviously, we all know what happened from the draft on. If Sanchez and Tebow are on the field at the same time, do you guys see Tebow catching any passes this season out of the backfield? Maybe even being motioned out wide with a couple of plays run off of it? I.e. Reverse, Reverse Pass

Tebow may cause a lot of problems for the Jets, but he also gives them a lot of option. For the record, I was not a fan of the Tebow trade, nor am I a Tebow fan.

[deathstar]

No.

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[LongTimeJetsFan]

A lot of draft gurus expected Tebow to come out of the draft as a TE. Obviously, we all know what happened from the draft on. If Sanchez and Tebow are on the field at the same time, do you guys see Tebow catching any passes this season out of the backfield? Maybe even being motioned out wide with a couple of plays run off of it? I.e. Reverse, Reverse Pass

Tebow may cause a lot of problems for the Jets, but he also gives them a lot of option. For the record, I was not a fan of the Tebow trade, nor am I a Tebow fan.

If Tebow can prove to be a viable #2 TE who can block and catch the ball he would be significantly more valuable to our offense. We could run our normal offense with him in the game, preventing opposing DC's from changing to Tebow specific personnel packages/calls and switch to him at Wildcat QB in a no huddle at any time.

[SanityRemoved]

The Tebow as a tight end always made more sense. In the first place it doesn't place the QB tag on him. That allows you to have better QB depth and development. It allows him to be used in a WC configuration without tipping your hat to the defense. It also allows a QB coach time to work on his mechanics.

As a TE he would be allowed to use his athleticism to a greater extent without making him the instant target for the defense. He would attract some attention from the defense which increases your offensive options. Over time defenses would see that they could not always target him and would have to pay attention to the other offensive weapons as well. That would work to Tebow's advantage once the defense began to feel the cry wolf syndrome.

Overall I think there are many more pluses to Tebow as TE rather than QB. The objective is to win games and it doesn't matter who crosses the goal line.

[Sir Thomas]

You know that how? If you followed Tebow, he had a terrible start at Florida when he went in for Leake and struggled the first part of his starting year at Florida. He'll come around.

[Sir Thomas]

I don't think he's fast enough for a tight end. A running back maybe. Gives us a option to run or throw if he's handed the ball.

[AbdulSalam]

Dear insaneclownposse: stop thinking that this is going to be about running the Jesus Cat / Wild Cat offense. Tim Tebow runs the Spread Option. And he runs it very successfully. Hopefully Sanchize improves and is highly successful. But if he still sucks like he did last year - Tim Tebow is coming in to rescue this team. : )

[Rex's Sweater Vest]

Considering the "anonymous jets" who spoke out being critical of the Tebow trade, I think the players will de facto rally to Mark instead of turn on him like last year. Genius move if this gets people like Holmes in line.

[Sir Thomas]

Joe Namath's first year starting stats shows he had a 48.2% completion, his highest is 52.5%. Tim's is 46.5% with a terrible OL. Like I said, his passing needs work. Give him a chance guys. Don't bury him yet.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Tim Tebow runs the Spread Option. And he runs it very successfully.

Where's the evidence that Tebow runs the Spread Option successfully at the NFL level?

The Broncos offense blew chunks last season with Tebow at the controls. The defense played lights out about a half dozen times and Tebow pulled some miracles down the stretch. With one exception those miracles were the product of the defense playing lights out all game and then the Broncos getting very lucky at the end of the game.

There's no evidence at all that the Spread Option Tebow ran last season was worth anything more than the 18.7 points a game it averaged in the 13 games he started.

[DirtySanchez]

Considering the "anonymous jets" who spoke out being critical of the Tebow trade, I think the players will de facto rally to Mark instead of turn on him like last year. Genius move if this gets people like Holmes in line.

Anonymous Jets spoke out against Sanchez too.

It is pretty funny though, they managed to find the one QB that diva WR's wouldn't want more than Sanchez.

[Coach K]

Ill be happy as long as he scores at least 10 tds and I don't have to hear about him being our actual qb.

But its new york and its now sanchez job to bury the tim tebow:qb. Talk

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Anonymous Jets spoke out against Sanchez too.

It is pretty funny though, they managed to find the one QB that diva WR's wouldn't want more than Sanchez.

Especially diva WR's who cannot get open deep because they're not a huge physical specimen and they always draw tight coverage from the other team. You pull Tebow's long throws out of the equation last year and he was a really miserable QB. That's what Holmes faces right now: he's going to average about 11 yards a catch on his 43 catches next year if Tebow starts.

[abyzmul]

Ill be happy as long as he scores at least 10 tds and I don't have to hear about him being our actual qb.

But its new york and its now sanchez job to bury the tim tebow:qb. Talk

That's the thing here and I totally agree. 2012's success will be predicated on how well Sanchez bounces back from 2011 with or without Tebow. It always was. My main problem is the lack of attention to the Oline and the lack of a true starter at SE.

[ace_o_spades]

Would you pay $18 million for a new sports car?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[AbdulSalam]

Where's the evidence that Tebow runs the Spread Option successfully at the NFL level?


Were you asleep last season? Did you see Tebow & the Broncos beat the Jets, make the playoffs and beat the steelers?

[whichfan]

One can't improve since he was awful at a NFL style offense...

He was only decent in a gimicky offense that won't work going forward as teams have video to adapt to it.

The Dolphins wild cat offense was very successful only its in 1st year...

The years after it was pure shit and was a waste of a down...

Face it, his mechanics will always suck and he will have to be used a wild cat QB even though teams after year 1 of the Dolphins experience figured out how to make it useless.

Only Sanchez can lead you to a Super Bowl...

The funny thing is that you guys are going to use Tebow in the redzone....which is stupid as the Jets last year were in the top among redzone efficiency for Touchdowns...

You are going to screw with the only thing that was successful last year...

This "experiment" has disaster written all over it...But we shall see...

A "gimmicky" offense that got to the divisional round of the playoffs beating a bunch of conventional NFL offenses including the Jets?

Ok....

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Were you asleep last season? Did you see Tebow & the Broncos beat the Jets, make the playoffs and beat the steelers?

I saw the Broncos go 8-8 and back into the playoffs despite losing their last 3 games. I saw them run through a Jets defense that got run through several times last year when the Jets needed a stop. I saw them upset the Steelers in Denver in front of a frenzied crowd that had the Steelers off-balance the whole game.

If the Jets ever lose their last 3 games of the season, make the playoffs anyway and get a home game over a 12-4 wild card I make their chances out as pretty good to win that game also.

[Going4TheGreen]

11 players think it's a run every down because that's all he can do. Then he burns your safety with an accurate deep pass. How do you adjust to that? Playing just a traditional style D and limit your guessing? Ok, now it's 3rd down and short because Tebow just ate up 7 yards because there weren't enough people in the box to tackle him. It's not that easy. He's limited when he needs to complete passes to most of the route tree but people aren't going to simply adjust to Mike Alstott who can complete 50 yard bombs.

[evojoe67]

I'm very curious to know how many new members this site has gotten since the Tebow signing?

[Royce Parker]

I'm very curious to know how many new members this site has gotten since the Tebow signing?

And I'd be interested to know how many of those actually give a shit about the Jets and how many are pure Tebow bandwagoners...

[ukjetsfan]

Then he burns your safety with an accurate deep pass.

You do know that's against the odds, don't you?

[flajetfan]

i'm very curious to know how many new members this site has gotten since the tebow signing?
1,000,000
and i'd be interested to know how many of those actually give a shit about the jets and how many are pure tebow bandwagoners...

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[reverseapachemaster]

A "gimmicky" offense that got to the divisional round of the playoffs beating a bunch of conventional NFL offenses including the Jets?

Ok....

Yep. Look at plays like the wildcat, options, reverses, QB sneaks, etc. These are all plays that deviate from the norm. They are not great plays but they can bring great success through the element of surprise. Once you lose the element of surprise it's usually not a great play.

The Denver offense was chock full of option plays and a lot of QB running, which is abnormal. It took a lot of defenses by surprise, especially early on. So it was successful. But then you look to the end of the season. The last three season games and playoff games had Denver at 1-4. You can see there's a big break where the defenses were prepared for the strategy. It lost the element of surprise. Yes, Denver squeaked out that win against Pittsburgh in the wildcard -- and I'm not going to discredit the win -- but they lost to some weak teams before that.

This is exactly why Tebow should not be the #1. The biggest thing he brings to the team is confusion and surprise to the defense. Sometimes he's the wildcat. Sometimes he's out there blocking or taking a hand off. Maybe a reception. Maybe he even takes a few snaps as QB just to mix it up. That stretches out the defense on the field and preparing for the game. It's the gimmick Denver had last season but times ten. That's the benefit. It's an added bonus if Tebow makes big plays (and he'll probably make some). The strategy will probably work tremendously in the beginning of the season. Teams will start to get a handle on it (because every strategy has a weakness) and it will probably be of significantly less value next year and the one after. But if Tebow is the starting QB you lose the complexity and surprise. He becomes less valuable to the team.

[AbdulSalam]

And I'd be interested to know how many of those actually give a shit about the Jets and how many are pure Tebow bandwagoners...

what difference does it make? People admire the guy for being a good person, a good leader and a gifted football player, he prays to a God that he believes in and finds that his faith is a source of strength for him. I think its pretty cool and that he seems like a cool person. I've got no problem if some people root for the Jets because we have TT on the roster - the more fans the merrier. I hope they go 16-0 next season w/Sanchez having a breakout all pro season.

[AbdulSalam]

I saw the Broncos go 8-8 and back into the playoffs despite losing their last 3 games. I saw them run through a Jets defense that got run through several times last year when the Jets needed a stop. I saw them upset the Steelers in Denver in front of a frenzied crowd that had the Steelers off-balance the whole game.

If the Jets ever lose their last 3 games of the season, make the playoffs anyway and get a home game over a 12-4 wild card I make their chances out as pretty good to win that game also.

Okay I was just checking to see if you watched Tebow guide the previously pathetic broncos into the playoffs and to a playoff win over the Steelers. I get that you are not impressed by a second yr QB coming in off the bench and achieving that. I'm just not sure why you don't think that is an impressive accomplishment by this QB. Isn't winning football games what it is all about? He won. You got to give it up for the man and you've got to be happy that we have Tebow instead of Drew Stanton. You are happy right?

[Royce Parker]

what difference does it make? People admire the guy for being a good person, a good leader and a gifted football player, he prays to a God that he believes in and finds that his faith is a source of strength for him. I think its pretty cool and that he seems like a cool person. I've got no problem if some people root for the Jets because we have TT on the roster - the more fans the merrier. I hope they go 16-0 next season w/Sanchez having a breakout all pro season.

I'm not saying it makes any difference, I'm saying it would actually be interesting to see how many new fans are flocking to the Jets solely based on the Tebow signing. Some people are pretty obviously here to talk only about Tebow and could care less about what team he's on. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but they're not automatically Jets fans just because we signed the guy.

[Barcs]

what difference does it make? People admire the guy for being a good person, a good leader and a gifted football player, he prays to a God that he believes in and finds that his faith is a source of strength for him. I think its pretty cool and that he seems like a cool person. I've got no problem if some people root for the Jets because we have TT on the roster - the more fans the merrier. I hope they go 16-0 next season w/Sanchez having a breakout all pro season.

It makes a difference because those Tebow fans will be calling for Mark's head after every bad play. I don't care what religion the guy follows, I just don't like fairweather fans, which is exactly what Tebow will bring.

[TNJet]

Skip Bayless brought up an interesting point: He said Mark doesn't play like a jet, and that Tebow was brought in because he does. I don't agree because Mark took hard hits and got back up and played. But his body language troubles me, he gives up mentally in my opinion far too easily. Anyone else think that?

[Don]

It makes a difference because those Tebow fans will be calling for Mark's head after every bad play. I don't care what religion the guy follows, I just don't like fairweather fans, which is exactly what Tebow will bring.

I doubt they will stay once they realize he really is the backup and will remain that all year long. Whatever they think they accomplished in Denver is moot, they will find out soon enough that this is NY and a totally different mindset rules the day here.

[typeOnegative13NY]

I'm very curious to know how many new members this site has gotten since the Tebow signing?

Quite a few,but they will be tagged easily by their March 12 join date. We still have some here that jumped on the Jetwagon when Favre came in.

[dawinner127]

Skip Bayless brought up an interesting point: He said Mark doesn't play like a jet, and that Tebow was brought in because he does. I don't agree because Mark took hard hits and got back up and played. But his body language troubles me, he gives up mentally in my opinion far too easily. Anyone else think that?

Skip Bayless is a moron

[Jake]

A "gimmicky" offense that got to the divisional round of the playoffs beating a bunch of conventional NFL offenses including the Jets?

Ok....

It's pretty clear that the D and run game carried that team. Tebow was opportunistic and clutch, he deserves credit for that, but if Tebow is on a team with a shitty defense that team is fucked. They fall behind and forced to pass then Tebow is forced to become a pocket passer which he ain't.

[crna2112]

It makes a difference because those Tebow fans will be calling for Mark's head after every bad play. I don't care what religion the guy follows, I just don't like fairweather fans, which is exactly what Tebow will bring.

The funny thing is, it won't be the Tebowmaniacs that call for Sanchezs head, it will be the Jets fans that have been going to games for years. Sure, Tebow nut-jobs will spout anything on a message board, but it will be Jets fans chanting, "Tebow, Tebow, Tebow". If that happens, just understand that they are Jets fans doing it. Not many people are going to fly up from Florida to attend games in New Jersey.

Part of it is that the media will mention that possibility so much between now and then that idiot fans will think--well screw it, Sanchez is sucking it up, now I'm supposed to chant Tebows name. I really don't know why people are drawn to Tebow, but you watch....long time Jets fans, some who even despised Tebow will come to back him, even chant his name.

It was the same thing in Denver, nobody was chanting his name until they saw him play in the last three games of 2010. Fans who could have cared less for Tim suddenly wanted him on the field. It was Bronco fans chanting his name, not a gaggle of Gator fans and/or Christian nut-jobs. The media will lead you to believe otherwise, but honestly there just aren't that many Gator fans out there.

If it happens, it will be Jets fans chanting his name. You might be one of them.

[9798]

the broncos didn't get through one game without tebow fans chanting tebow-tebow. tebow was the 3rd string QB,practicly the 4th string cause even adam weber the 4th string QB was out performing him. so we had orton #1,quinn#2 & tebow #3 but cuz tebow fans were so loud tebow leaped over quinn to become starter. tebow played poorly in practice.

[AbdulSalam]

the broncos didn't get through one game without tebow fans chanting tebow-tebow. tebow was the 3rd string QB,practicly the 4th string cause even adam weber the 4th string QB was out performing him. so we had orton #1,quinn#2 & tebow #3 but cuz tebow fans were so loud tebow leaped over quinn to become starter. tebow played poorly in practice.


what was orton's record?

[crna2112]

the broncos didn't get through one game without tebow fans chanting tebow-tebow. tebow was the 3rd string QB,practicly the 4th string cause even adam weber the 4th string QB was out performing him. so we had orton #1,quinn#2 & tebow #3 but cuz tebow fans were so loud tebow leaped over quinn to become starter. tebow played poorly in practice.

Spin it any way you want....they were Broncos fans chanting his name, not Tebow fans following him around the country.

It's going to be fun watching the converts here over time. It will be Jets fans chanting his name, not Tebow fans that got tickets on stubhub. I mean honestly....do you think mile high stadium had enough non-bronco Tebow fans to fill the stadium with roaring chants of Tebows name? Do you think Jets home games will have 30,000 Tebow only fans chanting his name?

NO. That's absurd. If and when Tebows name is chanted this season it will be by long-standing Jets fans. If you want to complain you will have to either look in the mirror real hard or walk next door and punch your neighbor in the face.

[rohirrim665]

11 players think it's a run every down because that's all he can do. Then he burns your safety with an accurate deep pass. How do you adjust to that? Playing just a traditional style D and limit your guessing? Ok, now it's 3rd down and short because Tebow just ate up 7 yards because there weren't enough people in the box to tackle him. It's not that easy. He's limited when he needs to complete passes to most of the route tree but people aren't going to simply adjust to Mike Alstott who can complete 50 yard bombs.

This is why Im trying to put aside the feeling that its ALL marketing (we know it has at least something to do with it), but this has the chance to be an effective football move especially considering Sporanos style.

[SanityRemoved]

Spin it any way you want....they were Broncos fans chanting his name, not Tebow fans following him around the country.

It's going to be fun watching the converts here over time. It will be Jets fans chanting his name, not Tebow fans that got tickets on stubhub. I mean honestly....do you think mile high stadium had enough non-bronco Tebow fans to fill the stadium with roaring chants of Tebows name? Do you think Jets home games will have 30,000 Tebow only fans chanting his name?

NO. That's absurd. If and when Tebows name is chanted this season it will be by long-standing Jets fans. If you want to complain you will have to either look in the mirror real hard or walk next door and punch your neighbor in the face.

"Tanny Sucks" might get more chants than "Tebow". The last person I recall getting mentioned by name in any chants was Schotty. The Jets already have the best chant in the league and it's rare to hear any other chants.

[crna2112]

"Tanny Sucks" might get more chants than "Tebow". The last person I recall getting mentioned by name in any chants was Schotty. The Jets already have the best chant in the league and it's rare to hear any other chants.

I do like the J E T S JETSJETSJETS! Chant :metal:

[bicketybam]

I think if we all keep posting how bad Tebow is and what a horrible trade it was, it will force Woody to demand that Tanny trade him or cut him. What do you think? No? Well, let's still regurgitate the same shit over and over again anyway. You never know.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

I think if we all keep posting how bad Tebow is and what a horrible trade it was, it will force Woody to demand that Tanny trade him or cut him. What do you think? No? Well, let's still regurgitate the same shit over and over again anyway. You never know.

Every little bit that contributes to Woody understanding that winning the off-season is for the likes of Dan Snyder and not the way to a Super Bowl helps.

If Woody is a promoter above all else and not interested in doing the hard work associated with building an elite team then we're screwed no matter what happens.

If he is not all-out interested in promotion and willing to learn then we have hope.

I think having the promotional stuff blow up in his face is a positive thing. It gives him learning opportunities. The question is what does he do with them?

[bicketybam]

Every little bit that contributes to Woody understanding that winning the off-season is for the likes of Dan Snyder and not the way to a Super Bowl helps.

If Woody is a promoter above all else and not interested in doing the hard work associated with building an elite team then we're screwed no matter what happens.

If he is not all-out interested in promotion and willing to learn then we have hope.

I think having the promotional stuff blow up in his face is a positive thing. It gives him learning opportunities. The question is what does he do with them?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Woody Johnson doesn't read TGG.

[alwaysthejets]

Is it accurate that Rex said to Jason LaCanfora tonight that Tim might be seeing 20 snaps or more a game at the QB position alone?

Is there anyone who can put that in perspective for me, as in, maybe, isn't that a little much? Or, maybe it's not? How many snaps (roughly/on avg.) does a QB usually takes during the course of the game?

Or is there anyone who can just generally answer if that's a significant number that will lead to conflict/controversy?

I don't recall how often Brad Smith was touching the ball at QB when we used him as a change of pace, but I don't feel as if it was that often. There are so many people here who really have a better handle on what that might mean. So, I thought I'd ask. Thanks in advance for anyone who can shed some light on that.

[raortega3]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Woody Johnson doesn't read TGG.

This is a forum for fans of the NY Jets. Most of us have been through a lot as fans of this franchise, have been let down time and time again, have seen this franchise make business decisions that made little sense, have been ridiculed by the media, the sports world, and fans of other teams. Although this is just a game, we all put our personal and professional responsibilities aside for a couple of hours every week to support the team that, for whatever reason, occupies our interest.

Everyone saw the team perform last year and can put a finger on the positions that need to be strengthened before any other needs are addressed. So far, beyond safety, nothing has been done. However, this team entered a worm-hole of NFL decisions (not unusual for this team) and has put its fan base and players in an exhausting position of having to rationalize this move. People who have been invested in Sanchez and were excited to see this season begin and confirm or deny whether their individual hopes for a franchise QB would develop after two successful years and one step back. Now we have to wonder what this organization has going on in the back of its mind. The three years that we have seen Sanchez develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen, is put into question. We as fans should be allowed to wonder what the motive of all of this is.

So if people want to come here one by one to voice their displeasure in this move, it shouldn't strike you as unusual or redundant.

[Bannon]

Is it accurate that Rex said to Jason LaCanfora tonight that Tim might be seeing 20 snaps or more a game at the QB position alone?

Is there anyone who can put that in perspective for me, as in, maybe, isn't that a little much? Or, maybe it's not? How many snaps (roughly/on avg.) does a QB usually takes during the course of the game?

Or is there anyone who can just generally answer if that's a significant number that will lead to conflict/controversy?

I don't recall how often Brad Smith was touching the ball at QB when we used him as a change of pace, but I don't feel as if it was that often. There are so many people here who really have a better handle on what that might mean. So, I thought I'd ask. Thanks in advance for anyone who can shed some light on that.

I think the average football game gives a team 60 to 90 snaps. 20 is a butt-load. Seems unlikely.

[dcm1602]

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[CowboysFan]

This is a forum for fans of the NY Jets. Most of us have been through a lot as fans of this franchise, have been let down time and time again, have seen this franchise make business decisions that made little sense, have been ridiculed by the media, the sports world, and fans of other teams. Although this is just a game, we all put our personal and professional responsibilities aside for a couple of hours every week to support the team that, for whatever reason, occupies our interest.

Everyone saw the team perform last year and can put a finger on the positions that need to be strengthened before any other needs are addressed. So far, beyond safety, nothing has been done. However, this team entered a worm-hole of NFL decisions (not unusual for this team) and has put its fan base and players in an exhausting position of having to rationalize this move. People who have been invested in Sanchez and were excited to see this season begin and confirm or deny whether their individual hopes for a franchise QB would develop after two successful years and one step back. Now we have to wonder what this organization has going on in the back of its mind. The three years that we have seen Sanchez develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen, is put into question. We as fans should be allowed to wonder what the motive of all of this is.

So if people want to come here one by one to voice their displeasure in this move, it shouldn't strike you as unusual or redundant.

Incredible post, and almost ridiculously well written.

We might or might not agree on Tebow on some things (he is the mad hatter in your wormhole after all) but you are laying out your thoughts on the line and I respect it 100%.

Think Occam's razor (whomever does not know look it up) , Sanchez played his best ball under the pressure of the post season , Tebow will make him rise and Tebow will make himself rise in the eyes of all the other NFL teams.

[alwaysthejets]

I think the average football game gives a team 60 to 90 snaps. 20 is a butt-load. Seems unlikely.
Oh, really? That's the range? Thank you for helping me out on the range. I thought 20 seemed... like a lot. But, I wanted to be sure. You confirmed that for me.

I was able to track down a couple of articles indicating Rex said that now, initially I'd only seen it being discussed in passing with no proof Rex said it: NFL.com: Tebow 20 snaps (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.) and NBC Sports: Tebow 20 snaps (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.).

[DisgruntledLionFan]

Range is a little off. It's usually between 60-70 snaps per team.

Average is in the low 60s.

[catsigater]

The three years that we have seen Sanchez develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen...
Add in a heaping helping of over-the-top praise, and you have Tebow's first two years in a nutshell.

[alwaysthejets]

Range is a little off. It's usually between 60-70 snaps per team.

Average is in the low 60s.
Thanks. So, we could, on average, be talking roughly a third of the snaps during the course of a game. That is definitely more than I anticipated, framed in that context.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Not sure why the Jets are trying to do it but they're definitely undermining Sanchez at this point. It would make sense if they had decided to move on, it just seems awfully strange in the context of they just gave him a two year guarantee.

I guess we have to mark it up to "they don't know what the hell they're doing/plan changes from week to week". That's the only thing that makes sense at this point.

[LGENF]

Add in a heaping helping of over-the-top praise, and you have Tebow's first two years in a nutshell.

Oh come on now, he has also been the MOST rediculed, picked apart, criticized, broken down and bagged on player over the last two years as well

It wasn't all sunshine and roses being blown up his ass like the picture your painting

[Dirty6Sanchez]

Add in a heaping helping of over-the-top praise, and you have Tebow's first two years in a nutshell.

Not to mention 60 yard field goals and stellar defensive play

[LGENF]

Not sure why the Jets are trying to do it but they're definitely undermining Sanchez at this point. It would make sense if they had decided to move on, it just seems awfully strange in the context of they just gave him a two year guarantee.

I guess we have to mark it up to "they don't know what the hell they're doing/plan changes from week to week". That's the only thing that makes sense at this point.

The real question is, WOULD they have given him the bump and extension IF Tebow was already on the team

[LGENF]

Thanks. So, we could, on average, be talking roughly a third of the snaps during the course of a game. That is definitely more than I anticipated, framed in that context.

It may be more as the season goes on

[catsigater]

Oh come on now, he has also been the MOST rediculed, picked apart, criticized, broken down and bagged on player over the last two years as well

It wasn't all sunshine and roses being blown up his ass like the picture your painting
I don't often sink to this level of condescension with my replies, but here goes.

You obviously weren't reading for comprehension.

So to help you out, I'll repost again and then explain it for you below...

The three years that we have seen Sanchez develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen...
Add in a heaping helping of over-the-top praise, and you have Tebow's first two years in a nutshell.

See, far from painting a picture of "all sunshine and roses," my comment says that, much like Sanchez, we've also seen Tebow "develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen."

Does that sound like "all sunshine and roses being blown up his ass"?

I happen to think he was also the subject of over-the-top praise from some quarters, which I can certainly support if needed.

You sound like exactly what a lot of Jets' fans are dreading, zealots who take umbrage at any criticism whatsoever of their hero and are quick to the trigger anytime someone else simply attempts to be objective.

Good luck with that on this board.

[CowboysFan]

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[catsigater]

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That never gets old.

[LGENF]

I don't often sink to this level of condescension with my replies, but here goes.

You obviously weren't reading for comprehension.

So to help you out, I'll repost again, and then explain it for you below...



See, far from painting a picture of "all sunshine and roses," my comment says that, much like Sanchez, we've also seen Tebow "develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen."

Does that sound like "all sunshine and roses being blown up his ass"?

I happen to think he was also the subject of over-the-top praise from some quarters, which I can certainly support, if needed.

You sound like exactly what a lot of Jets' fans are afraid of, someone who takes umbrage at any criticism whatsoever of their hero and is quick to the trigger anytime someone else simply attempts to be objective.

Good luck with that on this board.

Maybe the ridicule you speak of about Sanchez maybe something inside NY, but the scrutiny that Tebow got Nationally puts it to shame

I am not a Tebow apologist he needs to work on things, but I also watched every game of his last year and although his accuracy need to improve the Denver WRs dropped a higher than usual amount and his comp percentage should be higher

With that said, his biggest flaw with throwing is that he doesn't throw to tight windows rather throws to open WRs, if they are open he delivers it, if the are only slightly open he will put the ball low and outside to steal a BB term. If his guys couldn't get it, no one was going to get it, when he improves on that VISION Sanchez won't be a JET anymore, until he does improve though that will be the greatest thing holding him back and preventing him from moving up.

[9798]

what was orton's record?0-0 when all the chants started.

[Rawrk]

with the addition of tebow..

i think we should go for 2 EVERY SINGLE TIME.

who's with me??

[AbdulSalam]

0-0 when all the chants started.

i just looked it up. orton was 1-4 when he was replaced by TT.

[Bannon]

i just looked it up. orton was 1-4 when he was replaced by TT.

Don't forget 3-10 the year before. Had a big 'ol tank of goodwill stored up with the fans.

Too bad the Broncos had to chunk that awesome "system" they had when Tebow also tried to win games with it. At some point, you have to question the play-calling and scheme design.

[catsigater]

Maybe the ridicule you speak of about Sanchez maybe something inside NY, but the scrutiny that Tebow got Nationally puts it to shame

I am not a Tebow apologist he needs to work on things, but I also watched every game of his last year and although his accuracy need to improve the Denver WRs dropped a higher than usual amount and his comp percentage should be higher

With that said, his biggest flaw with throwing is that he doesn't throw to tight windows rather throws to open WRs, if they are open he delivers it, if the are only slightly open he will put the ball low and outside to steal a BB term. If his guys couldn't get it, no one was going to get it, when he improves on that VISION Sanchez won't be a JET anymore, until he does improve though that will be the greatest thing holding him back and preventing him from moving up.
Agree with all the above.

[raortega3]

I don't often sink to this level of condescension with my replies, but here goes.

You obviously weren't reading for comprehension.

So to help you out, I'll repost again and then explain it for you below...



See, far from painting a picture of "all sunshine and roses," my comment says that, much like Sanchez, we've also seen Tebow "develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen."

Does that sound like "all sunshine and roses being blown up his ass"?

I happen to think he was also the subject of over-the-top praise from some quarters, which I can certainly support if needed.

You sound like exactly what a lot of Jets' fans are dreading, zealots who take umbrage at any criticism whatsoever of their hero and are quick to the trigger anytime someone else simply attempts to be objective.

Good luck with that on this board.

I'm not some Sanchez nut. If he doesn't pan out I hope the Jets, as soon as possible, go elsewhere for their QB.

I don't support Sanchez because I am drawn to him as a person, or the glamour and lifestyle, or whatever extracurricular things he has going on in his life. I think he can be this team's long term QB. On that alone, I am invested in supporting him as a fan. I would be the first to line up and say that I was wrong about him, should he fall flat on his face and become a bust.

On that same note, my uneasiness about Tebow has nothing to do with his faith or on-field behavior. I honestly have no opinion about those things. It has to do with his QB play and what I see is his ceiling in that position. I am no expert on QB's. I come here to talk and read with other fans on their thoughts.

[bicketybam]

This is a forum for fans of the NY Jets. Most of us have been through a lot as fans of this franchise, have been let down time and time again, have seen this franchise make business decisions that made little sense, have been ridiculed by the media, the sports world, and fans of other teams. Although this is just a game, we all put our personal and professional responsibilities aside for a couple of hours every week to support the team that, for whatever reason, occupies our interest.

Everyone saw the team perform last year and can put a finger on the positions that need to be strengthened before any other needs are addressed. So far, beyond safety, nothing has been done. However, this team entered a worm-hole of NFL decisions (not unusual for this team) and has put its fan base and players in an exhausting position of having to rationalize this move. People who have been invested in Sanchez and were excited to see this season begin and confirm or deny whether their individual hopes for a franchise QB would develop after two successful years and one step back. Now we have to wonder what this organization has going on in the back of its mind. The three years that we have seen Sanchez develop, succeed, win big, lose big, struggle, be ridiculed, blasted by the media like few else in the sports world have ever seen, is put into question. We as fans should be allowed to wonder what the motive of all of this is.

So if people want to come here one by one to voice their displeasure in this move, it shouldn't strike you as unusual or redundant.

I've been going to their games since 1986 and I've been a season ticket holder since 1991. I sat there in the freezing cold for Joe Walton's last game - a shutout at the hands of the Steelers. I was there for the fake spike. I was there when they broke Cunningham's leg and proceeded to blow a huge lead to Bubby Brister. I was there when Dennis Byrd got crippled. I can't tell you how many times I saw them lose to Jim Kelly's Bills. So I feel your pain. But these are the same people saying the same shit over and over again like it is going to change something. The trade is now history. Tebow is going to be used whether we like it or not. I'm just hoping for the best like I have the past 30 years. If I weren't an optimist, I would have given up on this franchise eons ago.


-Ed-

[The Future]

I do not like the thought of this Jets offense seeing Tebow touching the ball 20+ times a game.

[AbdulSalam]

seems like we have upgraded at backup qb which is important because sanchez could go out with an injury for a few games and drew stanton didn't seem like the answer. hopefully TT and MS both improve and both help the Jets bounce back this season. I don't really understand why some folks are so upset with bringing in TT for a 4th rounder. seems like a pretty good trade to me.

[SufferingJetsFan]

seems like we have upgraded at backup qb which is important because sanchez could go out with an injury for a few games and drew stanton didn't seem like the answer. hopefully TT and MS both improve and both help the Jets bounce back this season. I don't really understand why some folks are so upset with bringing in TT for a 4th rounder. seems like a pretty good trade to me.

It isn't. I answered you in another thread on this. The Jets need to be prepared to change their offense to the single wing if Sanchez gets hurt. Why? Because even the Broncos coach last year said if Tebow had to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed.
Essentially, the Jets need to be able to run a standard offense, plus the single wing in case of emergency (Sanchez getting hurt). That's way too much to expect from a team. Could they? Maybe. Guys were complaining the offense was too complex last year. Imagine learning two offenses?

As far as the wildcat goes, I challenge anyone to tell me what team effectively ran the wildcat last year. It's antiquated. If so, is it worth 2 draft picks for a backup when the team has so many other needs?

If it's "a football move", why are the Jets holding a major press conference to announce a backup QB? Why did they fly Tebow cross country on a private jet with a tail wing saying "N15QB"?

It's a damn show. Why can't people grasp this?

[LGENF]

It isn't. I answered you in another thread on this. The Jets need to be prepared to change their offense to the single wing if Sanchez gets hurt. Why? Because even the Broncos coach last year said if Tebow had to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed.
Essentially, the Jets need to be able to run a standard offense, plus the single wing in case of emergency (Sanchez getting hurt). That's way too much to expect from a team. Could they? Maybe. Guys were complaining the offense was too complex last year. Imagine learning two offenses?

As far as the wildcat goes, I challenge anyone to tell me what team effectively ran the wildcat last year. It's antiquated. If so, is it worth 2 draft picks for a backup when the team has so many other needs?

If it's "a football move", why are the Jets holding a major press conference to announce a backup QB? Why did they fly Tebow cross country on a private jet with a tail wing saying "N15QB"?

It's a damn show. Why can't people grasp this?

quit lying

They gave up a 4th and traded a 6th for a 7th

That is not giving up 2 draft picks, that's one and swapping positions

[SufferingJetsFan]

quit lying

They gave up a 4th and traded a 6th for a 7th

That is not giving up 2 draft picks, that's one and swapping positions

After trading Stanton. And really, that's what you took from that, huh? Care to actually dispute the rest of my argument?

[TebowTrollCoach]

with the addition of tebow..

i think we should go for 2 EVERY SINGLE TIME.

who's with me??


Now you're talkin'.. I think they should go for it every time.

[Demosthenes9]

It isn't. I answered you in another thread on this. The Jets need to be prepared to change their offense to the single wing if Sanchez gets hurt. Why? Because even the Broncos coach last year said if Tebow had to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed.
Essentially, the Jets need to be able to run a standard offense, plus the single wing in case of emergency (Sanchez getting hurt). That's way too much to expect from a team. Could they? Maybe. Guys were complaining the offense was too complex last year. Imagine learning two offenses?

As far as the wildcat goes, I challenge anyone to tell me what team effectively ran the wildcat last year. It's antiquated. If so, is it worth 2 draft picks for a backup when the team has so many other needs?

If it's "a football move", why are the Jets holding a major press conference to announce a backup QB? Why did they fly Tebow cross country on a private jet with a tail wing saying "N15QB"?

It's a damn show. Why can't people grasp this?

Maybe some of us understand that it can be both ?

WRT the wildcat, if the Coaches know what they are doing, it'll be a "wildcat" like you have never seen before.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Maybe some of us understand that it can be both ?

WRT the wildcat, if the Coaches know what they are doing, it'll be a "wildcat" like you have never seen before.

You don't think there is a reason why coaches have strayed away from the wildcat recently? Are there no athletes as amazing as Tebow in the league? If not, I guess that's why coaches don't utilize it often. That, or defenses have it figured out.

Or, Tebow is such the amazing player, and Sparano is such the amazing coordinator (despite never having that job before), that defenses will be dazzled by their new, baffling wildcat.

[Demosthenes9]

After trading Stanton. And really, that's what you took from that, huh? Care to actually dispute the rest of my argument?

Wrong. With Stanton still on the team, the Jet's gave the Broncos their 4th and their 6th, AND the Broncos gave the Jet's Tebow and a 7th round pick. The Jet's then also agreed to pony up the ~$2.5 mil that Denver had advanced to Tebow.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Wrong. With Stanton still on the team, the Jet's gave the Broncos their 4th and their 6th, AND the Broncos gave the Jet's Tebow and a 7th round pick. The Jet's then also agreed to pony up the ~$2.5 mil that Denver had advanced to Tebow.

That's what I said. The Jets gave up two picks. (a fourth and a 6th).

You actually made it worse by acknowledging the Jets stupidity in paying an additional 2.5 million for a backup QB. Thanks.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Wrong. With Stanton still on the team, the Jet's gave the Broncos their 4th and their 6th, AND the Broncos gave the Jet's Tebow and a 7th round pick. The Jet's then also agreed to pony up the ~$2.5 mil that Denver had advanced to Tebow.

Again, please feel free to argue my on field football points. Oh wait...you can't.

[Demosthenes9]

You don't think there is a reason why coaches have strayed away from the wildcat recently? Are there no athletes as amazing as Tebow in the league? If not, I guess that's why coaches don't utilize it often. That, or defenses have it figured out.

Or, Tebow is such the amazing player, and Sparano is such the amazing coordinator (despite never having that job before), that defenses will be dazzled by their new, baffling wildcat.

Sure, there's a reason why teams strayed away from the WC. It's because when you bring an actual freaking RB in for a direct snap, it's not all that hard to defend.

BUT, when you have a QB getting the direct snap, that changes things. Even without figuring in the Option, it still changes the numbers.

What I'm really hoping is that when Tebow is brought in, they will use the Spread Option as it definitely gives the offense the advantage.

[bicketybam]

If it's "a football move", why are the Jets holding a major press conference to announce a backup QB? Why did they fly Tebow cross country on a private jet with a tail wing saying "N15QB"?

It's a damn show. Why can't people grasp this?

That is Tebow's plane...a Hawker 900. Do you think the Jets went out and bought him a jet and registered it with N15QB? By the way, he did a ton of flying on it last year.

[Demosthenes9]

That's what I said. The Jets gave up two picks. (a fourth and a 6th).

You actually made it worse by acknowledging the Jets stupidity in paying an additional 2.5 million for a backup QB. Thanks.

But you left out the part where the Jets GOT A PICK BACK.

here, let me make it simple for you. YOU go into a grocery store and purchase a loaf of bread. YOU give the cashier $10. The cashier gives you back $8 in change.

Based on the underlying logic of your previous post, you would then come here to the forum and try to tell everyone that you just had to pay $10 freaking dollars for a loaf of bread, because you didn't take into account that the cashier gave you $8 in freaking change.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Sure, there's a reason why teams strayed away from the WC. It's because when you bring an actual freaking RB in for a direct snap, it's not all that hard to defend.

BUT, when you have a QB getting the direct snap, that changes things. Even without figuring in the Option, it still changes the numbers.

What I'm really hoping is that when Tebow is brought in, they will use the Spread Option as it definitely gives the offense the advantage.

Tebow, even in his special single wing completed less than 50% of his passes. They were winning because of their defense.

The Broncos scored less than 20 points in 9 of 13 games Tebow started in (including playoffs).

[Demosthenes9]

Tebow, even in his special single wing completed less than 50% of his passes. They were winning because of their defense.

The Broncos scored less than 20 points in 9 of 13 games Tebow started in (including playoffs).

Tebow also had less than 16 freaking starts under his belt for most of last season. You know, YOUNG QB ???

Want to go look at what Elway's or Eli's stats were during their first year as a starter ?

[SufferingJetsFan]

But you left out the part where the Jets GOT A PICK BACK.

here, let me make it simple for you. YOU go into a grocery store and purchase a loaf of bread. YOU give the cashier $10. The cashier gives you back $8 in change.

Based on the underlying logic of your previous post, you would then come here to the forum and try to tell everyone that you just had to pay $10 freaking dollars for a loaf of bread, because you didn't take into account that the cashier gave you $8 in freaking change.

Aww....is baby gonna cry? Are you mad because I said they got 2 picks? Are you really psyched they got a 7th rounder?

Still waiting for your on field arguments.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Tebow also had less than 16 freaking starts under his belt for most of last season. You know, YOUNG QB ???

Want to go look at what Elway's or Eli's stats were during their first year as a starter ?

Yes. Compare their defenses and completion percentages please.

[SufferingJetsFan]

That is Tebow's plane...a Hawker 900. Do you think the Jets went out and bought him a jet and registered it with N15QB? By the way, he did a ton of flying on it last year.

It's the "Football move" vs "Publicity move" argument.

It did what it was intended to do. New York papers made a huge deal out of it. He is a backup QB. Does anybody know if Stanton flew, drove, or took a train? Of course not. So why is Tebow being treated special? There are already papers saying the always popular anonymous sources are not loving the special Tebow treatment. To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

He will kill the locker room (which is already hurting) at worst, and divide it at best. Either way, it's a disaster.

[Demosthenes9]

Aww....is baby gonna cry? Are you mad because I said they got 2 picks? Are you really psyched they got a 7th rounder?

Still waiting for your on field arguments.

nah, not going to cry at all. Talking with you is about as stimulating as talking to a freaking eggplant, and just about as productive.

You made a statement, got called on it, then doubled down and made yourself look foolish in the process.

Now, you want to try and deflect away from the stupidity that you have demonstrated, which is fine. I mean, it's not like I'm expecting you to be any better when talking about "on the field arguments" either.

But hey, let's go ahead and go down the rabbit hole.

[Demosthenes9]

Yes. Compare their defenses and completion percentages please.

Just out of curiousity, why do you have a sig celebrating that Shotty is gone ???

[RevisOfNazareth]

March 2012 should have been a closed registrations month.

[SufferingJetsFan]

nah, not going to cry at all. Talking with you is about as stimulating as talking to a freaking eggplant, and just about as productive.

You made a statement, got called on it, then doubled down and made yourself look foolish in the process.

Now, you want to try and deflect away from the stupidity that you have demonstrated, which is fine. I mean, it's not like I'm expecting you to be any better when talking about "on the field arguments" either.

But hey, let's go ahead and go down the rabbit hole.

Is that what happened? Because it's not. But keep going back to it. Apparently you will.......all night.

Still.......still.........still........waiting for you to argue the onfield stuff. But you seem to be clinging to the one ounce of oxygen you have. Enjoy suffocating.

[SufferingJetsFan]

Just out of curiousity, why do you have a sig celebrating that Shotty is gone ???

All arguments aside, you have no idea how great Shotty being gone really is.

[SufferingJetsFan]

March 2012 should have been a closed registrations month.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This x 1,000,000

[casman02]

Just out of curiousity, why do you have a sig celebrating that Shotty is gone ???

Probably because he watched the Jets last year.

March 2012 should have been a closed registrations month.

Agreed. There is way too much Teboning going on.

[AbdulSalam]

He will kill the locker room (which is already hurting) at worst, and divide it at best. Either way, it's a disaster.

he didn't kill the locker room in denver. he was well liked by his teammates. a very good teammate by all accounts. i don't understand why you think he will kill the locker room. i heard mike devito on sirius nfl this morning and he was very complimentary of TT.

[Demosthenes9]

Is that what happened? Because it's not. But keep going back to it. Apparently you will.......all night.

Still.......still.........still........waiting for you to argue the onfield stuff. But you seem to be clinging to the one ounce of oxygen you have. Enjoy suffocating.


Actually, it's EXACTLY what happened. You claimed that the Jets gave up 2 pics and you failed to take into account that they got a pick from Denver.

Now, you can keep digging that hole and make yourself look sillier as posts continue, OR, you could just say "Damn, whoops, my bad, that's right, it was one pick and a trade of 6th and 7th picks."





All arguments aside, you have no idea how great Shotty being gone really is.

and

Probably because he watched the Jets last year.


From what I have read, it seems that most weren't happy with Shotty and more than a few blame last year's lack of offensive production on him.

Kind of ironic that Suffering Jets Fan has that sig line AND THEN wants to look at Tebow's stats from last year and conclude that obviously, Tebow sucks based on those stats.

Here's the post:

Tebow, even in his special single wing completed less than 50% of his passes. They were winning because of their defense.

The Broncos scored less than 20 points in 9 of 13 games Tebow started in (including playoffs).

[gmp]

of these pro-Tebow posters. The majority are March 2012. Geez - I wonder why. What a coincidence. I (Bronco fan) joined March 2012 to watch the craziness. It's painful to experience but fun to watch.

[CowboysFan]

of these pro-Tebow posters. The majority are March 2012. Geez - I wonder why. What a coincidence. I (Bronco fan) joined March 2012 to watch the craziness. It's painful to experience but fun to watch.

There is the another side of the Tebowmania coin that I warned about , the hater side ....more focused , twice as committed . Same obsession , same coin.

I am not saying you are a hater but just stating a fact.

[gmp]

There was nothing in my post that indicated my impressions of Tebow. The problem with Tebow fans is to assign "hater" way too quickly and unjustifiably - for critiques and, in this case, for comments that aren't even about Tebow. I was referencing about the fans.

[youngj00]

I'ts crazy seeing this side show that we bring into our locker room year after year. Now this Tebow crap? SMh, it's going to be a wild ride.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

It truly was nuts for the Jets to inject Tebow-mania into the mess they ended up with last year. Whether you think the move will work or not it was like holding a bottle of nitroglycerin and suddenly deciding to get out your hula hoop and shake it around some.

[CowboysFan]

There was nothing in my post that indicated my impressions of Tebow. The problem with Tebow fans is to assign "hater" way too quickly and unjustifiably - for critiques and, in this case, for comments that aren't even about Tebow. I was referencing about the fans.

You are correct and I will detract part of my comment and reword it .

[SufferingJetsFan]

From what I have read, it seems that most weren't happy with Shotty and more than a few blame last year's lack of offensive production on him.

Kind of ironic that Suffering Jets Fan has that sig line AND THEN wants to look at Tebow's stats from last year and conclude that obviously, Tebow sucks based on those stats.

WTF are you talking about??? Seriously.

Shotty has what to do with Tebow?

Give up and go back to polishing Tebow's knob.

I provided you with stats why I feel Tebow will not be a productive member of the Jets. (Granted...it's my opinion.....it's a message board) I provided you with Stats that show Tebow is an awful starting QB and felt he won most of his games based on defense. I stated Tebow ran an entirely different offense from the wildcat as well as what the Jets offense will be with Sanchez on opening day. I feel Shotty was a terrible offensive coordinator.

I never said Shotty and Tebow have anything to do with each other. If anything, I feel Sanchez has a chance to evolve without Shotty. I feel Tebow will hamper that evolution based on fan and media pressure.

What are you attempting to say? Seriously. What?

[xmscott]

Ha. See this "news"

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

When the on-again, off-again trade of Tim Tebow to the Jets was finally on again, reality descended.


We're in for a wild one.

Dropping Tebow into a Jets locker room Mark Sanchez has yet to win over promises a steady stream of drama, and that awkwardness threatens to extend to the homefront.

Tebow is reportedly eyeing a rental home in the same upscale New Jersey community where Sanchez lives, sources (described to us as "insiders") told the New York Post.

"(Tebow) really wants to live there," a source told the newspaper, describing the two homes nestled inside the Trump National Golf Course community in Bedminster as a "football's throw apart."

The spread is owned by none other than The Donald himself, who sounds an awful lot like the mouthpiece on this one.


Tebow -- shifting away from any semblance of an ascetic's life -- also took a gander at Manhattan's Trump Park Avenue among other Trump properties.

Unlike Tebow, Sanchez isn't a golfer, per the Post, but moved to the Jersey compund for the sake of privacy. Now he can look forward to Tebow knocking on the door to borrow Tupperware, a bag of sugar and Sanchez's weather-worn copy of "Georgia Rule."

Somebody wake us up from this disturbing dream.

[soxxx]

Tebow will be the QB of this team I feel. Kid needs to get his shit fixed though, he can be good, but he needs to change.

[Demosthenes9]

WTF are you talking about??? Seriously.

Shotty has what to do with Tebow?

Give up and go back to polishing Tebow's knob.

I provided you with stats why I feel Tebow will not be a productive member of the Jets. (Granted...it's my opinion.....it's a message board) I provided you with Stats that show Tebow is an awful starting QB and felt he won most of his games based on defense. I stated Tebow ran an entirely different offense from the wildcat as well as what the Jets offense will be with Sanchez on opening day. I feel Shotty was a terrible offensive coordinator.

I never said Shotty and Tebow have anything to do with each other. If anything, I feel Sanchez has a chance to evolve without Shotty. I feel Tebow will hamper that evolution based on fan and media pressure.

What are you attempting to say? Seriously. What?


[removed uncalled for, gratuitous shot]

Your sig indicates that you were very unhappy with Shotty and it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that you held him more than partly responsible for the season that the Jets just had, and the lack of productivity from the offense.

I've seen that sentiment exhibited by quite a few people around here, including you. If you want, I'll happily go dig up some of your posts and quote them for you.

Now, why would I bring this up ? Because this:

Stats that show Tebow is an awful starting QB and felt he won most of his games based on defense


Those stats for Tebow are for one freaking season where he was under an OC, Mike McCoy, who himself was in his first actual season of play calling.

Those stats for Tebow are from one freaking season where he was under an OC, Mike McCoy, who was running an offense that he didn't even understand. McCoy drew up that playbook by watching some college football games and saying "hey, let's try that play", or by bringing in players who had experience with the Option and picking their brains.

The IRONY is that you readily admit that the OC has a big impact on the productivity of an offense AND of the QB, yet you completely ignore that when pointing at Tebow's stats and conclude that he sucks as a QB.

I don't know what kind of QB Tebow will turn out to be in the future, but I'm damned sure that I'm not silly enough to base any conclusion off of 16 career starts under Mike McCoy.

[TheMadHatter]

The tebow drama is even a headache for those that like tebow

[PJ4Ever]

[removed uncalled for, gratuitous shot]

Your sig indicates that you were very unhappy with Shotty and it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that you held him more than partly responsible for the season that the Jets just had, and the lack of productivity from the offense.

I've seen that sentiment exhibited by quite a few people around here, including you. If you want, I'll happily go dig up some of your posts and quote them for you.

Now, why would I bring this up ? Because this:




Those stats for Tebow are for one freaking season where he was under an OC, Mike McCoy, who himself was in his first actual season of play calling.

Those stats for Tebow are from one freaking season where he was under an OC, Mike McCoy, who was running an offense that he didn't even understand. McCoy drew up that playbook by watching some college football games and saying "hey, let's try that play", or by bringing in players who had experience with the Option and picking their brains.

The IRONY is that you readily admit that the OC has a big impact on the productivity of an offense AND of the QB, yet you completely ignore that when pointing at Tebow's stats and conclude that he sucks as a QB.

I don't know what kind of QB Tebow will turn out to be in the future, but I'm damned sure that I'm not silly enough to base any conclusion off of 16 career starts under Mike McCoy.

Actually a great point. I'm not a Tebow fan, but who are we to say he can't improve? Sparano is an OC who should mesh more with Tebow. However, McCoy has been the OC since 09, so hasn't he been calling plays since then? Or maybe McDaniels called plays.

[moninghaly]

Actually a great point. I'm not a Tebow fan, but who are we to say he can't improve? Sparano is an OC who should mesh more with Tebow. However, McCoy has been the OC since 09, so hasn't he been calling plays since then? Or maybe McDaniels called plays.

yes . u r right . let's see it in the near future

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Tebow also had less than 16 freaking starts under his belt for most of last season. You know, YOUNG QB ???

Want to go look at what Elway's or Eli's stats were during their first year as a starter ?

Did you SEE Elway play when he was young? Please don't go down that road and make that comparison. Stop using stats and just use your eyes. Tebow is NOT an NFL QB. He never will be.

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

The poll shows a 60-40 split among the board...funny how the NY media makes it seem like we are all 100% against this move.

Boomer & Carton are starting to reach Francessa levels of annoyance with this story. They keep laughing and making derogatory Tebow comments, acting like some grammar school bullies teasing the new kid in class. I hope Tebow makes these mf'ers eat some shit-glazed crow.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

The poll shows a 60-40 split among the board...funny how the NY media makes it seem like we are all 100% against this move.

Boomer & Carton are starting to reach Francessa levels of annoyance with this story. They keep laughing and making derogatory Tebow comments, acting like some grammar school bullies teasing the new kid in class. I hope Tebow makes these mf'ers eat some shit-glazed crow.

The split is 40/60 with how many votes just a week into the poll?

The next question is how many of the new voters are Tebow-maniacs vs Tebow-haterz.

[SanityRemoved]

The poll shows a 60-40 split among the board...funny how the NY media makes it seem like we are all 100% against this move.

Boomer & Carton are starting to reach Francessa levels of annoyance with this story. They keep laughing and making derogatory Tebow comments, acting like some grammar school bullies teasing the new kid in class. I hope Tebow makes these mf'ers eat some shit-glazed crow.

Well I don't think any of the NY/LI/NJ media are putting a man on the street in Gainesville or Denver actively soliciting input from residents. Whereas the board has input from around the world.

[LGENF]

Ha. See this "news"

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

When the on-again, off-again trade of Tim Tebow to the Jets was finally on again, reality descended.


We're in for a wild one.

Dropping Tebow into a Jets locker room Mark Sanchez has yet to win over promises a steady stream of drama, and that awkwardness threatens to extend to the homefront.

Tebow is reportedly eyeing a rental home in the same upscale New Jersey community where Sanchez lives, sources (described to us as "insiders") told the New York Post.

"(Tebow) really wants to live there," a source told the newspaper, describing the two homes nestled inside the Trump National Golf Course community in Bedminster as a "football's throw apart."

The spread is owned by none other than The Donald himself, who sounds an awful lot like the mouthpiece on this one.


Tebow -- shifting away from any semblance of an ascetic's life -- also took a gander at Manhattan's Trump Park Avenue among other Trump properties.

Unlike Tebow, Sanchez isn't a golfer, per the Post, but moved to the Jersey compund for the sake of privacy. Now he can look forward to Tebow knocking on the door to borrow Tupperware, a bag of sugar and Sanchez's weather-worn copy of "Georgia Rule."

Somebody wake us up from this disturbing dream.

Tebow likes to golf in his spare time and is pretty good from what some others have said about his charity events, so it makes sense he would look for something like that neighborhood, the fact that Mark is there just goes to show that they are actually friends and probably won't mind living next to eachother, its a shame the two guys competiting for the QB job on the Jets get along better then the fans on the Jets board.

[UncleTomNYJ]

Anyone know the time of the presser? Is it at 10 or 12?

[LGENF]

Anyone know the time of the presser? Is it at 10 or 12?

12 o'clock

[UncleTomNYJ]

12 o'clock

Thanks

(filler)

[dreamsfloatjoe]

Anyone know the time of the presser? Is it at 10 or 12?12 PM Eastern Daylight Savings Time (EDST)

[Bannon]

This thread keeps getting bumped, and now I've started singing the thread title in my head to the tune of that line in the Cure's "Just Like Heavan" where it goes "Show me, show me, show me how you do that trick."

"Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow-Tee . . . "

[Cman55]

12 PM Eastern Daylight Savings Time (EDST)

12pm Tebow Savings Time..(Formerly known as Eastern)

[abyzmul]

All times are now known as Tebow time, FYI.

[johnny]

The split is 40/60 with how many votes just a week into the poll?

The next question is how many of the new voters are Tebow-maniacs vs Tebow-haterz.

It would be interesting to see what the results would be if you split up poll to see what the ratio is for the join dates 1) anytime Feb 2012 or earlier and 2) March 2012. I wonder if the mods could enlighten us to what those results are. Is that possible? Just for information purposes only.

[stinkyB]

All times are now known as Tebow time, FYI.

wait, I thought that was only the 4th qtr? I'm so confused

[The Dark Knight]

Here is the MAIN ISSUES that people around me don't get. They keep thinking I hate Tebow or something. The truth is this:

1. Tebow does not fit with the Jets. Last thing Sanchez needed was another QB who is bringing all these crazy fans to town. Sanchez needs support to grow. Not this clown.

2. Tebow could have a decent career as a back up/wild cat QB. He could have gained great experience and knowledge from Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or a team with a QB like them where no controversy would occur.

3. The Jets don't need to run the Wild Cat. Definitely not 20 times a game. Sanchez has to get into a rhythm. And when he is out of rhythm he has to play himself back into it. Not sit on the bench and see if Tebow can spark the team.

Just has disaster written all over it.

[Italian Seafood]

So no alcohol at the TGG tailgate this year? Did I hear this right?

[LongTimeJetsFan]

All times are now known as Tebow time, FYI.

Yesterday I was wearing a Jets shirt, like I normally would and some dick at the convenient stored yelled "TEBOW TIME" at me. I wanted to punch him in the throat.

[Big Blocker]

It truly was nuts for the Jets to inject Tebow-mania into the mess they ended up with last year. Whether you think the move will work or not it was like holding a bottle of nitroglycerin and suddenly deciding to get out your hula hoop and shake it around some.

Woody obviously has not reacted well to the combo of the Jets late season fade, missing the playoffs, and the Giants winning the SB. He feels the pressure, and apparently makes even more stupid moves under pressure.

The Tebow signing did not address a team need, and made addressing those very real needs more difficult. It can only be understood in non-football terms.

[Cman55]

Woody obviously has not reacted well to the combo of the Jets late season fade, missing the playoffs, and the Giants winning the SB. He feels the pressure, and apparently makes even more stupid moves under pressure.

The Tebow signing did not address a team need, and made addressing those very real needs more difficult. It can only be understood in non-football terms.

Didn't he react the exact same way with the Farve signing years ago? If this is how Woody is gonna react everytime the Jets shit the bed (and the giants winning the SB), we're in for a world of hurt down the road.

[Big Blocker]

Here is the MAIN ISSUES that people around me don't get. They keep thinking I hate Tebow or something. The truth is this:

1. Tebow does not fit with the Jets. Last thing Sanchez needed was another QB who is bringing all these crazy fans to town. Sanchez needs support to grow. Not this clown.

2. Tebow could have a decent career as a back up/wild cat QB. He could have gained great experience and knowledge from Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or a team with a QB like them where no controversy would occur.

3. The Jets don't need to run the Wild Cat. Definitely not 20 times a game. Sanchez has to get into a rhythm. And when he is out of rhythm he has to play himself back into it. Not sit on the bench and see if Tebow can spark the team.

Just has disaster written all over it.

Excellent post. Those touting the benefits of changing it up with two Qb's in the mix totally ignore the lack of rhythm such an approach necessarily entails.

One thing, though, is I am pretty sure, sure as one can be given the hype and BS coming out of Jetland, that Tebow thinks he's in the right place because he thinks he has an excelent chance of replacing Sanchez.

[Big Blocker]

Didn't he react the exact same way with the Farve signing years ago? If this is how Woody is gonna react everytime the Jets shit the bed, we're in for a world of hurt down the road.

There are certainly similarities, but at least Favre is a real NFL Qb. That move was a million times better than this one.

But yes, the reach for a big publicity move to put the Jets back in the limelight, even if it's a shitty limelight, is very much part of Woody's approach, then and now.

[LGENF]

Didn't he react the exact same way with the Farve signing years ago? If this is how Woody is gonna react everytime the Jets shit the bed, we're in for a world of hurt down the road.

didn't the Favre signing work until he tore his bicep?

I seem to remember the Jets doing very well under Favre until he got hurt and refused to sit and heal and let his own ego get in the way, but up to that point which was like week 11 or something, what was the record

oh yeah, that's right, the Jets went 4-12 in 2007, and then signed Favre and went 8-3 and were in first place in the division.

Now in the end it did not work, but that was because he got hurt and would not come out or give up the role as starter

[Royce Parker]

So no alcohol at the TGG tailgate this year? Did I hear this right?

Correct. And I believe you can no longer swear within 100 yards of MetLife Stadium.

[stinkyB]

Didn't he react the exact same way with the Farve signing years ago? If this is how Woody is gonna react everytime the Jets shit the bed (and the giants winning the SB), we're in for a world of hurt down the road.

There's was one big difference..... the JETS had a stronger team that year, aside from one important piece, the most important one. The thought that a 3-time mvp & SB MVP could be the missing link the move through the post season. So instead of sticking with QB with CLEAR limitations they swung for the fence and struck out. I agreed with the logic of that one, but In classic JETS fashion, the NFL iron-man gets injured and the JETS crash.

This time, it's a total headscratcher and CF in the making. Dark Knight's post sums up how alot of us feel, myself included

[Br4dw4y5ux]

didn't the Favre signing work until he tore his bicep?

I seem to remember the Jets doing very well under Favre until he got hurt and refused to sit and heal and let his own ego get in the way, but up to that point which was like week 11 or something, what was the record

oh yeah, that's right, the Jets went 4-12 in 2007, and then signed Favre and went 8-3 and were in first place in the division.

Now in the end it did not work, but that was because he got hurt and would not come out or give up the role as starter

Favre was a fairly miserable QB in 2005 and 2006. He had a bounceback year in 2007 and the Jets went and got him at the age of 39. It was a very high risk move and in the end the risk derailed the season. The Vikings then took the same high risk move but in a dome on turf and with Adrian Peterson behind him and it paid off.

Would the Jets have done better than 9-7 without Favre? Probably not. Was it worth the detour to Favre anyway? Probably not. We got ROOKIE/SUPER BOWL, SUPER BOWL, SUPER BOWL out of that.

It sure did help the Jets win two off-seasons in a row though. I think that combined with the Asomugha BS last year and the Tebow trade this year is what has a lot of us in despair at this point.

[Don]

The Tebow signing did not address a team need, and made addressing those very real needs more difficult. It can only be understood in non-football terms.

How the hell did it do that? He got rid of one backup QB that would have cost 1.5 million this year for another that will cost 1.5 million this year..explain.

[Cman55]

didn't the Favre signing work until he tore his bicep?

I seem to remember the Jets doing very well under Favre until he got hurt and refused to sit and heal and let his own ego get in the way, but up to that point which was like week 11 or something, what was the record

oh yeah, that's right, the Jets went 4-12 in 2007, and then signed Favre and went 8-3 and were in first place in the division.

Now in the end it did not work, but that was because he got hurt and would not come out or give up the role as starter

The Giants just came off a SB win as well and Woody needed to make a splash sooo, Goodbye Chad Pennington, hello Bret Farve. Yeah, that move worked until Farve got hurt but remember, Bret Farve has alot more to his resume than Timmae.

The Giants come off another SB win, especially after embarassing the Jets in the Meadowlands in front of the local fan base and what's the reaction? Yet another splashy move with Timmae... Instead of exiling Sanchez (couldn't sell that one after the extension could he??) He's bring in Timmae as the "backup QB" whose gonna be guaranteed playing time? Seriously?

Sorry, but this signing reeks of yet another Woody Johnson headline grab.

[MexicanJet]

Yesterday I was wearing a Jets shirt, like I normally would and some dick at the convenient stored yelled "TEBOW TIME" at me. I wanted to punch him in the throat.

I had my Jets hat on today for my 8 o'clock class and as soon as I walk to my class some douche waiting outside goes "oh here come all of the Jets fans now." I wanted to pin him against the wall, but just said "I've been wearing this hat loong after the season ended, so shut the fuck up."

I hate people.

[Big Blocker]

How the hell did it do that? He got rid of one backup QB that would have cost 1.5 million this year for another that will cost 1.5 million this year..explain.

AYFKM that all this is about is changing out Stanton for Tebow???

Stanton did not require the Jets to incorporate a different O for him. And I don't know that your numbers are correct, anyway, but that is HARDLY the only consideration here.

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

Stanton did not require the Jets to incorporate a different O for him.

This won't be a different O. It'll be the O we ran with Brad Smith...that helped us reach the AFC championship game.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

This won't be a different O. It'll be the O we ran with Brad Smith...that helped us reach the AFC championship game.

You understand there's a huge difference between using something 5-10 times per game and using it every offensive snap, right?

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

You understand there's a huge difference between using something 5-10 times per game and using it every offensive snap, right?

Have the Jets indicated we will be running the option every offensive snap? Serious question.

[SanityRemoved]

Yesterday I was wearing a Jets shirt, like I normally would and some dick at the convenient stored yelled "TEBOW TIME" at me. I wanted to punch him in the throat.

I bet there are some people getting a response they weren't expecting. Nice display of restraint though.

[Biggs]

This won't be a different O. It'll be the O we ran with Brad Smith...that helped us reach the AFC championship game.

Tony Soprano is going to run Shotty's O that got us to the AFC finals twice. Nice to bad when Tony ran the same O with better personal the Ravens turned it into a pick 6 machine in round 1.

[Big Blocker]

This won't be a different O. It'll be the O we ran with Brad Smith...that helped us reach the AFC championship game.

Ryan said the Jets could use Tebow on as many as 20 plays a game. Funny, I don't recall there being even ten plays for Smith. More like 5, maybe.

It will be a different O.

[tommytom]

why are certain Tebow threads conveniently moved and others allowed to stay.

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

why are certain Tebow threads conveniently moved and others allowed to stay.

Divine intervention.

[truthbtold]

Ryan said the Jets could use Tebow on as many as 20 plays a game. Funny, I don't recall there being even ten plays for Smith. More like 5, maybe.

It will be a different O.

I'll bet that Tebow doesn't get more than 10 snaps in any gameplan.
The only way he gets more is if Sanchez completely shits the bed and Tebow finishes the game ... just like any other backup in the history of the league.

And for the record ... is the anyone out there who thinks we don't win that Miami game if Tebow was on the team? And probably the Denver game too.

[SanityRemoved]

Most quarterbacks like to get in a groove. A couple incomplete passes get erased with a reception. What is going to happen on long drives? Are we going to get cute and break up the rhythm established? Another thought to consider will Tebow fans be so clueless in their desire to see him on the field that our offense can't hear the snap count? Since the PSLs started we already have enough people in the stands who have no clue when to make noise. I can't see it getting better.

Now Steve Young is spewing his nonsense. Soon doctors after reading blood pressure readings will be asking, "Are you a Jets fan?".

[Biggs]

I'll bet that Tebow doesn't get more than 10 snaps in any gameplan.
The only way he gets more is if Sanchez completely shits the bed and Tebow finishes the game ... just like any other backup in the history of the league.

And for the record ... is the anyone out there who thinks we don't win that Miami game if Tebow was on the team? And probably the Denver game too.

We also get blown out by SD and probably lose one of the Bills games and the Dallas game is over in the first half and probably lose the Washington game. Over all worse with Tebow last year than Sanchez.

[Italian Seafood]

Ryan said the Jets could use Tebow on as many as 20 plays a game. Funny, I don't recall there being even ten plays for Smith. More like 5, maybe.

It will be a different O.

The context I read that in, he kind of threw that out there as an extreme, round number, as in "could be one, could be twenty." I wouldn't go too crazy about that just yet, we'l have to see how they do it. How both QBs play and who the opponent is both will dictate how that works.

[bicketybam]

It's the "Football move" vs "Publicity move" argument.

It did what it was intended to do. New York papers made a huge deal out of it. He is a backup QB. Does anybody know if Stanton flew, drove, or took a train? Of course not. So why is Tebow being treated special? There are already papers saying the always popular anonymous sources are not loving the special Tebow treatment. To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

He will kill the locker room (which is already hurting) at worst, and divide it at best. Either way, it's a disaster.

He owns the plane. He can do whatever he wants. Should the Jets have told him to drive?

[Rawrk]

How the hell can tim tebow afford his own plane? Does virgin airlines know about this?

I want to bathe in this man's mojo.

No homo.

[bicketybam]

How the hell can tim tebow afford his own plane? Does virgin airlines know about this?

I want to bathe in this man's mojo.

No homo.

I am pretty sure he leases it, but it is his to use when he wants to.

[johnny]

Woody obviously has not reacted well to the combo of the Jets late season fade, missing the playoffs, and the Giants winning the SB. He feels the pressure, and apparently makes even more stupid moves under pressure.

The Tebow signing did not address a team need, and made addressing those very real needs more difficult. It can only be understood in non-football terms.

How the hell did it do that? He got rid of one backup QB that would have cost 1.5 million this year for another that will cost 1.5 million this year..explain.

I have read that The $2.5M that the Jets paid to Denver will have to count against the cap. Therefore, the cap value is more like $3M this year. I don't think everyone not in the Jets FO really knows the real cap hit at this point though. Also, the Jets lost a #4 round choice. Although it's no guarantee that could have been used on a full-time player.

[DirtySanchez]

Ryan said the Jets could use Tebow on as many as 20 plays a game. Funny, I don't recall there being even ten plays for Smith. More like 5, maybe.

It will be a different O.

This is actually a valid point (and how often do I ever agree with you?).

Carolina is going through something similar with Cam, where they want to find someone who can mimic his skills to back him up.

If Sanchez goes down, to take full advantage of Tebow you have to change the offense to what Tebow does well. For the Broncos that meant a lot of screens, read-options mixed with deep shots down the field to take advantage of defenses who tried to stack the box to stop Tebow from running.

On the flip side, if you decide to start Tebow, and Tebow gets hurt the gameplan goes out the window since Sanchez isn't going to run the same stuff as Tebow.

Also, wouldn't Wayne Hunter be protecting Tim's Blindside? Tebow better say a few more prayers if that comes to pass.

[New York Tim Tebows]

How the hell can tim tebow afford his own plane? Does virgin airlines know about this?

I want to bathe in this man's mojo.

No homo.

I'm not sure either. His website doesn't even have a store where you can buy Tim Tebow related products

[crna2112]

Denver v Pitt playoff game on nfl network right now.

[Demosthenes9]

Actually a great point. I'm not a Tebow fan, but who are we to say he can't improve? Sparano is an OC who should mesh more with Tebow. However, McCoy has been the OC since 09, so hasn't he been calling plays since then? Or maybe McDaniels called plays.

Yeah, McDaniels ran the offense and called the plays. After he was fired in 2010, Studesville took over as interim coach and McCoy took over the play calling duties.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Have the Jets indicated we will be running the option every offensive snap? Serious question.

Of course they haven't indicated that. I thought the discussion was a scenario where Sanchez got injured and our #2 QB had to play?

[Demosthenes9]

Did you SEE Elway play when he was young? Please don't go down that road and make that comparison. Stop using stats and just use your eyes. Tebow is NOT an NFL QB. He never will be.

Yes, I did see Elway play his first year as a starter. I watched him firing offtarget rockets all over the field on his way to having a 47.5% completion percentage.

I also watched Eli demonstrate that he wasn't all that accurate his first year as a QB when he racked up a 48.2% completion percentage.

Just to be clear, I'm not offering this as proof that Tebow WILL get better, rather, I'm saying that he CAN get better and past history shows us that many guys who went on to be GREAT QBs struggled their first year as a starter.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Yes, I did see Elway play his first year as a starter. I watched him firing offtarget rockets all over the field on his way to having a 47.5% completion percentage.

I also watched Eli demonstrate that he wasn't all that accurate his first year as a QB when he racked up a 48.2% completion percentage.

Just to be clear, I'm not offering this as proof that Tebow WILL get better, rather, I'm saying that he CAN get better and past history shows us that many guys who went on to be GREAT QBs struggled their first year as a starter.

Both of those guys looked like NFL QB's with a ton of potential in area's required to be an NFL QB. Tebow, not so much. Lay off the stats and use the eyeball test. Tebow doesn't pass.

[Demosthenes9]

Both of those guys looked like NFL QB's with a ton of potential in area's required to be an NFL QB. Tebow, not so much. Lay off the stats and use the eyeball test. Tebow doesn't pass.

Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf "looked" like NFL QBs as well, but that doesnt' get you very far.

Tebow's problem right now is that he is inconsistent and has flawed mechanics. Mechanics can be fixed. Personally, I'd like him to forget what he has learned and to go back to passing how he did at Florida.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf "looked" like NFL QBs as well, but that doesnt' get you very far.

Tebow's problem right now is that he is inconsistent and has flawed mechanics. Mechanics can be fixed. Personally, I'd like him to forget what he has learned and to go back to passing how he did at Florida.
Using two of the biggest busts in NFL history as an example is a good one for someone trying to make a point that doesn't have much chance of sticking.

People can always better themselves with hard work, and Tebow is obviously a very hard worker. The gap between where he is in terms of an NFL QB and where he needs to be is gigantic compared to most anyone drafted as an NFL QB. I believe it's an insurmountable gap. He just doesn't have the God given talent to work himself to an acceptable NFL QB level.

This isn't college football.

[Demosthenes9]

Using two of the biggest busts in NFL history as an example is a good one for someone trying to make a point that doesn't have much chance of sticking.

People can always better themselves with hard work, and Tebow is obviously a very hard worker. The gap between where he is in terms of an NFL QB and where he needs to be is gigantic compared to most anyone drafted as an NFL QB. I believe it's an insurmountable gap. He just doesn't have the God given talent to work himself to an acceptable NFL QB level.

This isn't college football.

Fair enough. I watched every pass that Tebow attempted and threw this year, most of them, a number of times as I have the games right here on my PC.

He accurately threw just about every "NFL pass" that QBs are supposed to make. He also threw quote a few passes into the dirt and was way off target on too many passes.

That's why I say that he's inconsistent.

BUT, he CAN pass. He hit crossing routes. He hit passing routes. He hit sluggos. He hit fades. He had deep outs. He hit some timing passes. He hit backs out of the backfield. He hit screens.

He hit every kind of pass that a young QB is expected to hit, he just didn't do it all the time and when he farked up, they looked terrible.

In my book, IF you can hit everything, just not consistently, that means that you can improve. All you have to do is become more consistent, as opposed to trying to do things that you've proven you can't do.

If you will, it would be like me running a sub 4 minute mile. If I had 50 attempts and hit 4 mins 45% off the time, that is PROOF that I can do it. I just need to correct the mistakes that I made the other 55% of the time, and become more consistent.

That's different from me NEVER running a 4 min mile. If I NEVER did it, then there's no indication that I ever could.

See what I'm getting at ?

Again, I don't know that Tebow WILL be a good/great QB. I just think he has amazing potential and that time will tell. Learning and experience will do nothing but help him improve.

[Big Blocker]

The context I read that in, he kind of threw that out there as an extreme, round number, as in "could be one, could be twenty." I wouldn't go too crazy about that just yet, we'l have to see how they do it. How both QBs play and who the opponent is both will dictate how that works.

OF COURSE we don't know what will actually happen, and OF COURSE we can't take what Ryan and the rest say as gospel.

But... if you just wanted a conventional backup, the Jets should have stayed with Stanton. The logic of getting Tebow is you use him. And not just one play a game, either.

Regarding your last sentence, it is difficult enough massaging your regular O to take into account the opponent each week. Trying to do that in the context of a weekly recalibration of the balance between two Qb's, and the kind of plays they are better at, starts sounding awfully complicated to me.

[Revis is your daddy]

Fair enough. I watched every pass that Tebow attempted and threw this year, most of them, a number of times as I have the games right here on my PC.

He accurately threw just about every "NFL pass" that QBs are supposed to make. He also threw quote a few passes into the dirt and was way off target on too many passes.

That's why I say that he's inconsistent.

BUT, he CAN pass. He hit crossing routes. He hit passing routes. He hit sluggos. He hit fades. He had deep outs. He hit some timing passes. He hit backs out of the backfield. He hit screens.

He hit every kind of pass that a young QB is expected to hit, he just didn't do it all the time and when he farked up, they looked terrible.

In my book, IF you can hit everything, just not consistently, that means that you can improve. All you have to do is become more consistent, as opposed to trying to do things that you've proven you can't do.

If you will, it would be like me running a sub 4 minute mile. If I had 50 attempts and hit 4 mins 45% off the time, that is PROOF that I can do it. I just need to correct the mistakes that I made the other 55% of the time, and become more consistent.

That's different from me NEVER running a 4 min mile. If I NEVER did it, then there's no indication that I ever could.

See what I'm getting at ?

Again, I don't know that Tebow WILL be a good/great QB. I just think he has amazing potential and that time will tell. Learning and experience will do nothing but help him improve.

Anyone can hit any type of pass just not consistently. I can shoot NBA 3 pointers just not consistently but because I hit a couple that means I could improve and be a great NBA 3 point shooter? No. The mechanics and throwing ability of a good NFL QB is just not there. I love what Tebow will be able to do for us running the wildcat but if he was going to be our starting QB I would be very frightened.