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[Rawrk]

You hate religious people but your username is Saint Chez

don't interrupt him while he's pleading with god!

[whichfan]

Umm, Sanchez is 6th all time in the NFL as far as post season passer rating is concerned. You fail.

Once again I am talking about ceiling. I have already said, as far as consistency goes, Tebow doesn't have it. But Sanchez has never put up better numbers in the regular season than Tebow. He's never won a playoff game in the manner that Tebow did last year in overtime with the game on the line under that much pressure.

You cannot overlook those things when it comes to Tebow. He has shown he has a higher ceiling in his first year as a starter.

Whether or not he can ever become consistent is a different story, but whether or not he can do it, or has the ability to do it, is no longer a question. He proved it.

[NYJFOREVER]

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Read this article it can be why the Jets wanted to get Tebow.

[Phear]

Once again I am talking about ceiling. I have already said, as far as consistency goes, Tebow doesn't have it. But Sanchez has never put up better numbers in the regular season than Tebow. He's never won a playoff game in the manner that Tebow did last year in overtime with the game on the line under that much pressure.

You cannot overlook those things when it comes to Tebow. He has shown he has a higher ceiling in his first year as a starter.

Whether or not he can ever become consistent is a different story, but whether or not he can do it, or has the ability to do it, is no longer a question. He proved it.

Haha, you're the one that started with the passer rating BS. Sanchez beat Peyton Manning in his house in the playoffs, no pressure? He then beat Tom Brady in his house, in the playoffs, no pressure? Get a clue.

[VanderbiltJets]

Is it just me or is it everybody else hate this made up stat by ESPN (QBR). I think it sucks and is just being shoved down NFL fans throats because it made by ESPN. Fuck QBR

You're 100% right. I did a little independent reading on QBR a while back and found many instances where relative QB performance between players wasn't accurately reflected by QBR. However, the biggest discrepancies were due to having too small of a sample size.

[Revis is your daddy]

And we used to complain that Pennington was a dink and dunk QB.

Tebow is the opposite of dink and dunk. He is a run the ball or bomb it.

[kubernetes]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out what some fans are trying to embrace.

Tebowmania would not exist if he didn't win. So if you have a problem with winning, then I feel sorry for most. The reason it exists is because....Tebow WON. College, Broncos, etc...he won.

If he didn't win there would be no Tebowmania. So if Sanchez starts stinking it up, why the heck would you NOT want someone else to take over and give another guy a chance?


This is true. Say the worst case scenario happens, Sanchez has a Vince Young breakdown and Tebow starts. Then what? If he's terrible and we keep losing, Tebowmania will die a quick death and we'll move on. If he's terrible and we start winning, Tebowmania goes nuts but we're winning. Are people afraid of winning ugly?

[deathstar]

These Tebow trolls are fucking annoying.

The dude isn't a franchise QB...

He should leave the league and go make money off suckers.

[Jetaho]

Once again I am talking about ceiling. I have already said, as far as consistency goes, Tebow doesn't have it. But Sanchez has never put up better numbers in the regular season than Tebow. He's never won a playoff game in the manner that Tebow did last year in overtime with the game on the line under that much pressure.

You cannot overlook those things when it comes to Tebow. He has shown he has a higher ceiling in his first year as a starter.

Whether or not he can ever become consistent is a different story, but whether or not he can do it, or has the ability to do it, is no longer a question. He proved it.

Sanchez never won a playoff game "in the manner that Tebow did last year"? He won 4! All on the road! He beat Manning in Indy. He beat Brady in NE. He beat Rivers in SD. He beat Palmer in Cincy.

Tebow beat Big Ben at home on the first play of OT. BFD. Yet that one game PROVES that Tebow has a higher ceiling? Holy crap, I need a beer.

[Jake]

These Tebow trolls are fucking annoying.

The dude isn't a franchise QB...

He should leave the league and go make money off suckers.

One of them is a Dolphin fan of 37 years. What's your take on that?

[whichfan]

Stop lying about Tebow's passer rating. He had 75 last year and 82 the year before. OMG regression! LOL. David akers had a 150 passer rating last season. Don't bet the farm on it. Call me when Tebow can get more than 150 yards a game.


Not sure what you are talking about, but I'm not lying about Tebow's numbers.

Minnestota:

10/15 202 13.5 2 0 149.3

Steelers:
10/21 316 15.0 2 0 125.6



He also led the lead in air passing yards per attempt efficiency last year.

People blow Tebow's throwing abilities out of proportion. He CAN be a good passer, he HAS passed at an NFL level, he has done it.


And if you're talking about career numbers:

Mark Sanchez': 73.2 Career passer
Tim Tebow: 75.1 career passer.

The difference is Tebow's interception % is much lower, which happens to be pretty important, while Sanchez has 55 TD's and 51 interceptions. On top of that, Tebow also has rushing stats to boot which Sanchez can't measure up to. He averages 5.4 yards per carry which most running backs can't touch.

So if I'm lying then take it up with the NFL, because they must be making this shit up.

[Poeman]

This season will be straight out of a tv show...Fright Night Lights

Sanchez = Saracen
Tebow = Saracen Jr.
Santonio = Smash

Must see television

[displacedfan]

Do I really see an argument based on only one stat and that is QB rating, one of the most flawed statistics, especially when taken in sample sizes like with Tebow. Not only is the poster basing everything off one stat, he/she is doing it off one game in the playoffs.

Tell me the time Sanchez leads his team 8-8, he can get a home playoff game? Tell me the time Sanchez plays with a Mile High HF advantage and a hobbled quarterback who can't move in the playoffs. How is the wild card playoff game more pressure than the divisional game? The pressure goes up as you go through the playoffs. Face the fact, Tebow is winner, has yet put together 1 full great game, had a great defense in denver, had a great kicker in denver, had some real lucky breaks (weakest division, marion barber, no division rival over .500, etc etc) and he took advatange of them.

What I have seen from Tebow is that he is much too inconsistent, needs a specific college offense, and is only required to throw the ball 15 times a game. Nothing from there makes me think he can be a great NFL quarterback, let alone have more upside than Mark Sanchez.

[Jake]

The game vs Steelers Pittsburgh stacked the box and ran Cover 1, 0 all day. They sold out on the run and paid the price. This will not be happening regularly if he's the starting QB you say he is.

This argument is laughable. The guy throws 15 times a game with probably 12 of those play-action attempts having established the run game and he's cerebral? You, sir, are biased.

[whichfan]

Sanchez never won a playoff game "in the manner that Tebow did last year"? He won 4! All on the road! He beat Manning in Indy. He beat Brady in NE. He beat Rivers in SD. He beat Palmer in Cincy.

Tebow beat Big Ben at home on the first play of OT. BFD. Yet that one game PROVES that Tebow has a higher ceiling? Holy crap, I need a beer.

Which one of them was in overtime under that much pressure?

And no I'm not saying that game proves he has a higher ceiling, I'm saying the game in Minnesota where he put up a 149.5 QB passer rating proves he has a higher ceiling. What does prove he has a higher ceiling to you? To me, DOING IT, proves it. That's the first step. Then comes doing it consistently.

Unless you wanna talk about subjective crap like what you "feel" he can do, or "intangibles". I say show me results. Tebow's done that.

[Jake]

^No. Doing it for 4 Quarters proves it. Sanchez has proved he can be good in the last 2 minutes of a game and move the ball with help of a run game as well. The edge goes to Sanchez because he can throw a fuckin spiral.

[displacedfan]

Which one of them was in overtime under that much pressure?

And no I'm not saying that game proves he has a higher ceiling, I'm saying the game in Minnesota where he put up a 149.5 QB passer rating proves he has a higher ceiling. What does prove he has a higher ceiling to you? To me, DOING IT, proves it. That's the first step. Then comes doing it consistently.

Unless you wanna talk about subjective crap like what you "feel" he can do, or "intangibles". I say show me results. Tebow's done that.

So one game at Minnesota says he has higher upside because of passer rating?

You know who has a 150+ passer rating in their career, Antwan Randle El. Passer rating is one of the most flawed statistic.

Tebow has not shown anything close to what Sanchez has shown. He hasn't showed the accuracy or touch. His best plays are when the play breaks down and his really fast receiver runs really fast to catch the ball. Does that mean he can't play football, no. It means he does not have more upside at QB than most QB's in the league.

[Phear]

^No. Doing it for 4 Quarters proves it. Sanchez has proved he can be good in the last 2 minutes of a game and move the ball with help of a run game as well. The edge goes to Sanchez because he can throw a fuckin spiral.

Haha, this for the win.

[dcm1602]

How is it that hard to imagine a 24 year old qb who has LESS than 1 season under his belt improving ?

I mean hes gonna get 10 snaps a game to display SOME skill, if Sanchez ever gets banged up or its a blowout (eitherway) hell get some action, and if week 17 doesnt matter, you know hes playing that game.

Fact is Tebow is planning on being a starter somewhere sometime, i can guarentee you this. So whether its 1 2 or 3 years, all he needs is to improve even just a LITTLE, and have one or two good games, and hes completley tradable

[whichfan]

The game vs Steelers Pittsburgh stacked the box and ran Cover 1, 0 all day. They sold out on the run and paid the price. This will not be happening regularly if he's the starting QB you say he is.

This argument is laughable. The guy throws 15 times a game with probably 12 of those play-action attempts having established the run game and he's cerebral? You, sir, are biased.

Excuses excuses. That's their fault. The objective of the game is to BEAT the defense. Don't act like the fact that Tebow can rush didn't have somethign to do with the Steelers being in that situation. Let's not pretend that John Fox's play calling of ALWAYS running on first down didn't have something to do with that.

And the game in Minnesota where he put up a 149.5 QB passer rating? What about that? What excuses do you have for that one?

Cause it seems to me every time Tebow does something great as a passer it gets explained away by everyone.

Guess what? Tebow IS ALWAYS going to draw coverages like that when he averages 5.4 yards per carry. GOOD for him! It means he'll have plenty of other opportunities to burn other defenses like Pittsburgh's.

That's why your coach drafted him. Because of THAT fact. That's what they mean when they say he's hard to defend. Tebow's rushing threats dictates to the defense.

Not a lot of quarterbacks can dictate to the defense. Most have to take what the defense give them. With Tebow, if use use him correctly, you have the ability of dictating to a defense much like a 5-wide, spread offense does. You put 5 WR on the field you DICTATE pass. You force the defense to cover the pass. You put Tebow on the field on 3rd and 2 you FORCE the defense to cover the run even if you show pass.

Big strategic advantage that other quarterbacks can't give you. You can put NFL defenses in bad situations with Tebow if you use him correctly and intuitively.

And there's another big advantage you have from Tebow that you don't have from guys like Vick, Young, or even RG 3. He doesn't run like those guys. He runs like a freaking running back. Like a true, NFL, running back, which includes grinds, breaking tackles, digging your shoulder down.

He power runs.

[Jake]

So you're going to crunch numbers and ignore schematics? :drunk:

Football is human chess, it's ALL about the schematics. That's the whole point of bringing your boy in here, to fuck with gameplans.

[Jake]

And I'm not 100% because I've only watched two Bronco games from last year (NYJ, PIT -both games where box was stacked, difference being Jet corners far superior to PIT), but I'm willing to bet Minnesota sold out for the run and paid the price as well. That won't be happening here, Belichick isn't fuckin stupid. You saw what he draws up for your boy.

[displacedfan]

Excuses excuses. That's their fault. The objective of the game is to BEAT the defense. Don't act like the fact that Tebow can rush didn't have somethign to do with the Steelers being in that situation. Let's not pretend that John Fox's play calling of ALWAYS running on first down didn't have something to do with that.

And the game in Minnesota where he put up a 149.5 QB passer rating? What about that? What excuses do you have for that one?

Cause it seems to me every time Tebow does something great as a passer it gets explained away by everyone.

Guess what? Tebow IS ALWAYS going to draw coverages like that when he averages 5.4 yards per carry. GOOD for him! It means he'll have plenty of other opportunities to burn other defenses like Pittsburgh's.

That's why your coach drafted him. Because of THAT fact. That's what they mean when they say he's hard to defend. Tebow's rushing threats dictates to the defense.

Not a lot of quarterbacks can dictate to the defense. Most have to take what the defense give them. With Tebow, if use use him correctly, you have the ability of dictating to a defense much like a 5-wide, spread offense does. You put 5 WR on the field you DICTATE pass. You force the defense to cover the pass. You put Tebow on the field on 3rd and 2nd you FORCE the defense to cover the run even if you show pass.

Big strategic advantage that other quarterbacks can't give you.

If it is such a huge advantage, name the last time a running QB has won the Super Bowl. Definitely not in the last 10 years.

And if he dictates that defense, how come he put up 3 points against KC, 14 against Buffalo, 13 against Chicago, 16 at SD, 10 against the Jets, 17 against KC, 10 against Detroit, 18 against Miami, 10 against NE,
Oh and in the numbers above I only took out the defensice score in the Jets game since I don't know if any others happened. But yeah he really dictated the defense in those games.

You see, it is not excuses, it is reality. His defense allowed him to win multiple games where he put up under 20 points. His Kicker allowed the coaches to settle for 50+ yard field goals. His coaches changed the whole offense to cater him. It isn't Tebow performing miracles (no pun intended), it is the team putting him in a good position.

Thanks Jake for trying to help me explain it to this guy/girl. I'm going to stop unless I get a valid argument back. I guess these type of arguments are to be expected all year now...

Even with ALL this, I will obviously support Tebow since he is a NYJ. That doesn't mean I will listen to illogical arguments just because he is Jet.

[whichfan]

So one game at Minnesota says he has higher upside because of passer rating?

You know who has a 150+ passer rating in their career, Antwan Randle El. Passer rating is one of the most flawed statistic.

Tebow has not shown anything close to what Sanchez has shown. He hasn't showed the accuracy or touch. His best plays are when the play breaks down and his really fast receiver runs really fast to catch the ball. Does that mean he can't play football, no. It means he does not have more upside at QB than most QB's in the league.

Yes he has. He's shown me accuracy. I've seen plenty of accurate, even perfect passes from Tebow.

What I haven't seen is consistency.

But what I also haven't seen is Tim Tebow play on an NFL team with a good receiver set and an offense better suited to him. Something Sanchez does have. Could you have even named ONE receiver on Denver's team before Tebow made their names popular last year?

32nd worse receiving corps in actual DROPPED passes. Sorry but you can't put every part of that on Tebow. I have seen so many passes that literally pelted Eric Decker and DT on the head, chest, shoulder, through their hands, bouncing off their hands, etc and they dropped them.

[Jake]

whichfan can you please rank the starting QBs in order from 1-30 based on their skill please?

*grabs popcorn*

[displacedfan]

Yes he has. He's shown me accuracy. I've seen plenty of accurate, even perfect passes from Tebow.

What I haven't seen is consistency.

But what I also haven't seen is Tim Tebow play on an NFL team with a good receiver set and an offense better suited to him. Something Sanchez does have. Could you have even named ONE receiver on Denver's team before Tebow made their names popular last year?

32nd worse receiving corps in actual DROPPED passes. Sorry but you can't put every part of that on Tebow. I have seen so many passes that literally pelted Eric Decker and DT on the head, chest, shoulder, through their hands, bouncing off their hands, etc and they dropped them.

Your argument is Tebow has shown accuracy? Mark Sanchez has shown accuracy, much better accuracy on short/medium/long throws than Tebow. That is a terrible argument.

An offense better suited to him?!?! You realize John Fox scrapped the whole playbook and introduced a new one for tim tebow!

Where did I ever put dropped passes on Tebow? Also where did I ever say he had great receivers? I never said that. Don't know why you bring it up.

Well I already broke my thing of not responding unless its a good point. Some arguments these days....

[Rawrk]

How is it that hard to imagine a 24 year old qb who has LESS than 1 season under his belt improving ?

I mean hes gonna get 10 snaps a game to display SOME skill, if Sanchez ever gets banged up or its a blowout (eitherway) hell get some action, and if week 17 doesnt matter, you know hes playing that game.

Fact is Tebow is planning on being a starter somewhere sometime, i can guarentee you this. So whether its 1 2 or 3 years, all he needs is to improve even just a LITTLE, and have one or two good games, and hes completley tradable

i'm not saying he can't improve.

i'm saying his value probably isn't going to increase because he's going from a full time starter to a gadget play guy. how is his value going to go up with LESS playing time? unless sanchez misses a bunch of time, he's not going to get enough time to really show off he's capable of being a franchise qb.

1 game doesn't mean anything bc unlike kolb or flynn.. we've seen tebow for an extended period of time. and i think the majority of people who don't worship tebow can all agree.. at BEST, he is an experiment at qb. maybe you can win, maybe you can't. but playing behind sanchez for 10 snaps a game isn't going to help anyone determine that. so why would his trade value go up after losing a season of not being a starting qb?

of course tebow wants to be a starter. everyone wants to be a starter. he's tradeable. he was just traded. but you were saying we were going to make a killing. i don't think that's going to happen.

[whichfan]

If it is such a huge advantage, name the last time a running QB has won the Super Bowl. Definitely not in the last 10 years.

And if he dictates that defense, how come he put up 3 points against KC, 14 against Buffalo, 13 against Chicago, 16 at SD, 10 against the Jets, 17 against KC, 10 against Detroit, 18 against Miami, 10 against NE,
Oh and in the numbers above I only took out the defensice score in the Jets game since I don't know if any others happened. But yeah he really dictated the defense in those games.

You see, it is not excuses, it is reality. His defense allowed him to win multiple games where he put up under 20 points. His Kicker allowed the coaches to settle for 50+ yard field goals. His coaches changed the whole offense to cater him. It isn't Tebow performing miracles (no pun intended), it is the team putting him in a good position.

Thanks Jake for trying to help me explain it to this guy/girl. I'm going to stop unless I get a valid argument back. I guess these type of arguments are to be expected all year now...


Hey I'm with you on that. A team with a pure pocket passer and an elite running back >>>>> better than a team with a dual rush QB. I will never disagree with that. It is my belief that's the main reason a dual rush QB will never be as good as a team with both an elite pocket passer and elite running game.

Two guys, experts in their areas, passing and running will always be better than one guy that's good, but not amazing at both.

I agree 100%.

BUT, what about when you have just an OK pocket passer versus a guy that gives you so many options as a scrambling quarterback? Well we saw it with Big Ben.....he won a Super Bowl. Tebow's much better at avoiding interceptions compared to scramblers like Ben and whooped his ass last year.

So when you look at it from that point of view, sure, why not?

I also wanna add that there is ONE thing that I saw from Tebow that is different from any other running QB, other than the way he runs.

He doesn't like to pass on the run. He STOPS. Then actually resets his footwork and passes like a pocket passer. It's what makes it look awkward, but it IS in fact the correct way to do it, if you want to regain accuracy.

It's a known fact you lose accuracy when you pass on the run. And the biggest mistake scramblers make, like Ben, Bret, Vick, Mcnabb, etc....is they force passes while scrambling which end up in interceptions.

Tebow doesn't. He's VERY disciplined when it comes to that. He stops, and if he has time to throw it he does, otherwise he throws it away or takes a sack. Personally I feel that's the correct way to do it.

[Rawrk]

whichfan can you please rank the starting QBs in order from 1-30 based on their skill please?

*grabs popcorn*

tebow, tebow.. tebow tebow tebow.

bc he throws hot fire

[displacedfan]

Hey I'm with you on that. A team with a pure pocket passer and an elite running back >>>>> better than a team with a dual rush QB. I will never disagree with that. It is my belief that's the main reason a dual rush QB will never be as good as a team with both an elite pocket passer and elite running game.

Two guys, experts in their areas, passing and running will always be better than one guy that's good, but not amazing at both.

I agree 100%.

BUT, what about when you have just an OK pocket passer versus a guy that gives you so many options as a scrambling quarterback? Well we saw it with Big Ben.....he won a Super Bowl. Tebow's much better at avoiding interceptions compared to scramblers like Ben and whooped his ass last year.

So when you look at it from that point of view, sure, why not?

I also wanna add that there is ONE thing that I saw from Tebow that is different from any other running QB, other than the way he runs.

He doesn't like to pass on the run. He STOPS. Then actually resets his footwork and passes like a pocket passer. It's what makes it look awkward, but it IS in fact the correct way to do it, if you want to regain accuracy.

It's a known fact you lose accuracy when you pass on the run. And the biggest mistake scramblers make, like Ben, Bret, Vick, Mcnabb, etc....is they force passes while scrambling which end up in interceptions.

Tebow doesn't. He's VERY disciplined when it comes to that. He stops, and if he has time to throw it he does, otherwise he throws it away or takes a sack. Personally I feel that's the correct way to do it.

In no sentence of this do you address why this proves he has more upside than Sanchez.

Also, while stopping is the correct way of passing, I think the Steelers can live with Big Ben throwing on the run. QB's are becoming such better athletes where stopping does not make a huge difference unless you are throwing across your body like Favre. Big Ben also is nowhere near the scrambler of Tebow. Tebow has designed options called for him multiple times a game, only maybe Newton and Vick have that.

[AbdulSalam]

How bout we win football games and worry about the rest of it when we see how things play out?

[whichfan]

And I'm not 100% because I've only watched two Bronco games from last year (NYJ, PIT -both games where box was stacked, difference being Jet corners far superior to PIT), but I'm willing to bet Minnesota sold out for the run and paid the price as well. That won't be happening here, Belichick isn't fuckin stupid. You saw what he draws up for your boy.

Neither is Tebow. He was a first year starter, and might as well have been a rookie. His ability to read defenses is like no other rook who came into the NFL. That IS something you develop and get better at in time.

Bill's defenses doesn't just stop Tebow. He can stop just about anyone when they click. Bill's D stopped Sanchez just fine too.

But Tebow was also on a team with a coach who isn't exactly known for adjustments, in John Fox. Tebow went up pretty quick on the Pats during the first game. In the second half and the second game Pats had a better gameplan and Fox did nothing different offensively. He sticks with the same old run, run, pass routine and he didn't do this with just Tebow he's been doing it in Carolina for as long as I have been watching John Fox. And the part that really let Denver down was their defense.

Patriots didn't put up 45 points on Tebow. They put up 45 points on Denver's defense. So lets separate that aspect of football. Team's don't score on quarterbacks.

[displacedfan]

Neither is Tebow. He was a first year starter, and might as well have been a rookie. His ability to read defenses is like no other rook who came into the NFL. That IS something you develop and get better at in time.

Bill's defenses doesn't just stop Tebow. He can stop just about anyone when they click. Bill's D stopped Sanchez just fine too.

But Tebow was also on a team with a coach who isn't exactly known for adjustments, in John Fox. Tebow went up pretty quick on the Pats during the first game. In the second half and the second game Pats had a better gameplan and Fox did nothing different offensively. He sticks with the same old run, run, pass routine and he didn't do this with just Tebow he's been doing it in Carolina for as long as I have been watching John Fox. And the part that really let Denver down was their defense.

Patriots didn't put up 45 points on Tebow. They put up 45 points on Denver's defense. So lets separate that aspect of football. Team's don't score on quarterbacks.

The Jets swept the Bills this year, including one where Sanchez had a great comeback drive. Not sure where you got the idea the Bills stopped Sanchez.

Oh so the 3 and outs and missed passes and fumble had nothing to do with the Pats getting points? But when the Denver defense holds a team to 10 points, Tebow gets all the credit for the win?

You see how bias you are being, correct?

[dcm1602]

i'm not saying he can't improve.

i'm saying his value probably isn't going to increase because he's going from a full time starter to a gadget play guy. how is his value going to go up with LESS playing time? unless sanchez misses a bunch of time, he's not going to get enough time to really show off he's capable of being a franchise qb.

1 game doesn't mean anything bc unlike kolb or flynn.. we've seen tebow for an extended period of time. and i think the majority of people who don't worship tebow can all agree.. at BEST, he is an experiment at qb. maybe you can win, maybe you can't. but playing behind sanchez for 10 snaps a game isn't going to help anyone determine that. so why would his trade value go up after losing a season of not being a starting qb?

of course tebow wants to be a starter. everyone wants to be a starter. he's tradeable. he was just traded. but you were saying we were going to make a killing. i don't think that's going to happen.

Well I dont think were gonna make a killing with anything even remotely close to what the Rams just got.


But his value will go up from simply getting better.

The guy had to change his throwing style on the fly, and bounced all around the depth chart.

Plus if the Jets decide to actively shop him, im sure teams wont have a hard time getting recent footage of him. And im sure that IF trading him is the Jets plan they will make sure that they get him out on the field to do so.

For example looking at last season there were 8 games that the Jets could of put Tebow in for a SIGNIFICANT amount of time, because the scores were so lobsided.

Now obviously you wouldnt do that to Sanchez putting in a backup that much (esp when losing big), but 1-2 games assuming Tebow puts in the time and effort to legitimately get better, and teams will be interested I promise you.

The issue is gonna be can Tebow actually improve though, because giving him an opportunity, isnt gonna be an problem at all

[whichfan]

The Jets swept the Bills this year, including one where Sanchez had a great comeback drive. Not sure where you got the idea the Bills stopped Sanchez.

Oh so the 3 and outs and missed passes and fumble had nothing to do with the Pats getting points? But when the Denver defense holds a team to 10 points, Tebow gets all the credit for the win?

You see how bias you are being, correct?

Bill Belichick, not the Bills.

And I never said anything about credit. Don't put me in the same group with other Tebow maniacs. But the Denver defense did suck. They had some great games, but overall, they were as inconsistent as Tebow. I don't believe you can have a 4th quarter comeback or win a football game period without both, good defense and good offense.

There's no such thing as a winning team without BOTH. Both sides of the ball have to win their battles to win a football game.

[Jake]

Neither is Tebow. He was a first year starter, and might as well have been a rookie. His ability to read defenses is like no other rook who came into the NFL. That IS something you develop and get better at in time.


:lol: :rofl: :lol:

His ability to read defenses is like no other rook before?! AYFKM?! :lol:

Based on the Minnesota game I assume? Fuck it's gonna be one hell of an offseason. Tim Tebow is a fuckin virus and it ain't even his fault.

[ace_o_spades]

How bout we win football games and worry about the rest of it when we see how things play out?

Yeah tru, may as well just shut down the forum and don't post until the games start. Maybe have some locked threads that only contain news...

[whichfan]

:lol: :rofl: :lol:

His ability to read defenses is like no other rook before?! AYFKM?! :lol:

Based on the Minnesota game I assume? Fuck it's gonna be one hell of an offseason. Tim Tebow is a fuckin virus and it ain't even his fault.

Not sure what you're laughing about there. One's ability to read defense comes down to watching film, learning, anticipation, experience...basically intelligence and on field experience.

If you think Tebow's stupid, not sure what to think about you.

[typeOnegative13NY]

I don't know why Tanny doesn't just scroll these boards before he makes decisions.

[Saint Chez]

You hate religious people but your username is Saint Chez

never said i hated religious people...i don't hate any groups of people (cept maybe the Patriots, their fans, and terrorists)...just individuals. Tebow fans as a whole i dont hate...people who like Tebow for his beliefs and claim that makes him a great player I hate.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Neither is Tebow. He was a first year starter, and might as well have been a rookie. His ability to read defenses is like no other rook who came into the NFL. That IS something you develop and get better at in time.

Bill's defenses doesn't just stop Tebow. He can stop just about anyone when they click. Bill's D stopped Sanchez just fine too.

But Tebow was also on a team with a coach who isn't exactly known for adjustments, in John Fox. Tebow went up pretty quick on the Pats during the first game. In the second half and the second game Pats had a better gameplan and Fox did nothing different offensively. He sticks with the same old run, run, pass routine and he didn't do this with just Tebow he's been doing it in Carolina for as long as I have been watching John Fox. And the part that really let Denver down was their defense.

Patriots didn't put up 45 points on Tebow. They put up 45 points on Denver's defense. So lets separate that aspect of football. Team's don't score on quarterbacks.

Are you serious with this bullshit that fox didn't adjust well enough for Tebow to do well? Think about that for a minute and reevaluate because it's beyond ridiculous.

[june19]

We still talking about this?let it go!let see what happend when the season start.

[Rawrk]

Well I dont think were gonna make a killing with anything even remotely close to what the Rams just got.


But his value will go up from simply getting better.

The guy had to change his throwing style on the fly, and bounced all around the depth chart.

Plus if the Jets decide to actively shop him, im sure teams wont have a hard time getting recent footage of him. And im sure that IF trading him is the Jets plan they will make sure that they get him out on the field to do so.

For example looking at last season there were 8 games that the Jets could of put Tebow in for a SIGNIFICANT amount of time, because the scores were so lobsided.

Now obviously you wouldnt do that to Sanchez putting in a backup that much (esp when losing big), but 1-2 games assuming Tebow puts in the time and effort to legitimately get better, and teams will be interested I promise you.

The issue is gonna be can Tebow actually improve though, because giving him an opportunity, isnt gonna be an problem at all

improve at what though? everyone is already aware of what he can do running the ball. it's just a matter if he's going to be able to throw it on defenses consistently. this isn't something he's going to be able to prove with his role on the jets.

how many times do you realistically think he's going to throw the ball each game?

the jets aren't going to put tebow on the field just for the sake of shopping him around. that's ridiculous. they're not going to pull sanchez and let him play 1-2 games because tebow puts in time and effort. they're trying to win games, not shopping around a player for a 3rd round pick.

teams weren't that interested this offseason. a year of being a gadget guy isn't going to convince them he's capable of being a franchise qb. he hasn't even shown the flashes that kolb/flynn did by having great passing games. he is a complete wildcard in a traditional offense.

unless some team is enamored by the way he runs the ball and wants to remodel their offense around tebow, he's not going to draw more interest.

[Saint Chez]

We still talking about this?let it go!let see what happend when the season start.

oh i forgot we have access to a machine that can make the season start right now.

[bicketybam]

I can't believe people are wasting their time arguing with this guy.

-Ed-

[whichfan]

Are you serious with this bullshit that fox didn't adjust well enough for Tebow to do well? Think about that for a minute and reevaluate because it's beyond ridiculous.

Yeah I'm serious. I've been watching the Panthers and Fox for the past decade and live 30 minutes from Charlotte. Watched every single Panthers game under John Fox and watched Fox last year with Denver. You know more about Fox than me?

It has NOTHING to do with Tebow. He's always had this issue. Go ask ANYONE that knows John Fox.

I love Fox as a coach. One of my favorite coaches in the NFL, but he is the most stubborn SOB you will ever meet, especially offensively. He lives and dies by running the football even when it's clear it DOES. NOT. WORK.

He believes in out-executing no matter what. He doesn't believe in changing strategies, even when it's apparent execution has hit a wall and the team cannot out-execute a defense. He still wants you to out-executes. That's him. That's his mentality. I thought he would change in Denver. He didn't.

Peyton might be the only soul on this planet that can change that about John Fox.

You know what Fox's favorite saying is about passing? "There's 3 things that can happen when you throw a football and 2 of them are bad". I have heard this from him over and over and over, waaaaaaaaaaay before Tebow was even starting in college.

[Rawrk]

you guys are talking about two different sets of adjustments.

[Jake]

Not sure what you're laughing about there. One's ability to read defense comes down to watching film, learning, anticipation, experience...basically intelligence and on field experience.

If you think Tebow's stupid, not sure what to think about you.

I'm laughing at your assinine statement that Tebow was able to read a defense like no other rookie before him, what do you base that on? Proof? Even more ridiculous when one realizes Cam Newton's coming off the best rookie year by a QB ever. And then there's that guy P Manning....

I dunno, I'm done for tonight. Tim Tebow is the greatest football player, person, and citizen there has ever been. Until tomorrow, troll.

[Jake]

I can't believe people are wasting their time arguing with this guy.

-Ed-

Cant help it man, I see a stupid statement, I gotta correct it.

Where's junc when you need him? Junc vs whichfan would be great.

And I'm still waiting on your top 30 QB rankings whichfan. Lets see 'em.

[dcm1602]

improve at what though? everyone is already aware of what he can do running the ball. it's just a matter if he's going to be able to throw it on defenses consistently. this isn't something he's going to be able to prove with his role on the jets.

how many times do you realistically think he's going to throw the ball each game?

the jets aren't going to put tebow on the field just for the sake of shopping him around. that's ridiculous. they're not going to pull sanchez and let him play 1-2 games because tebow puts in time and effort. they're trying to win games, not shopping around a player for a 3rd round pick.

teams weren't that interested this offseason. a year of being a gadget guy isn't going to convince them he's capable of being a franchise qb. he hasn't even shown the flashes that kolb/flynn did by having great passing games. he is a complete wildcard in a traditional offense.

unless some team is enamored by the way he runs the ball and wants to remodel their offense around tebow, he's not going to draw more interest.

I dont think that the purpose of signing him was to trade him.

However I think the chance to trade him, is going to be strongly considered.

I mean after all Tebow is on a rookie deal for 3 years.

Which means he has 2 full seasons (plus pre-seasons) to show that he can actually do something.

Now I realize that during games hes likely to run it 7-8 times while only throwing it 1-3 times.

But again, over the next 2 years how many blowouts will there be ? Either us crushing another team, or another team crushing us ? No point in playing Sanchez when were down up or down by 30 in the 4th quarter. Hell same thing with either week 16 or 17 games that dont mean anything.

The fact is Tebow WILL get a shot somewhere to play as a starting QB. Whether its for an entire game, an entire half, or even a full quarter, hes gonna see significant playing time at some point.

And if he keeps working his ass off in practices, OTAS, or with Jesus eventually thats gonna pay off and he could reasonably expect a trade.

I think the 3 years left on his contract for a low rate just drastically improves his chances of getting traded before that contract expires.

[Rawrk]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football.

is it him being a proud christian? even then, i find it hard to believe that him being a devout believer is enough for all of this.

whatever he's got.. i want it..

.. so i can abuse it. i'd abuse it sooooooo gooooooood.

[raortega3]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football.

is it him being a proud christian? even then, i find it hard to believe that him being a devout believer is enough for all of this.

whatever he's got.. i want it..

.. so i can abuse it. i'd abuse it sooooooo gooooooood.

Jaw line and late adolescent beard.

[Jake]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football.

is it him being a proud christian? even then, i find it hard to believe that him being a devout believer is enough for all of this.

whatever he's got.. i want it..

.. so i can abuse it. i'd abuse it sooooooo gooooooood.

This is a great question. He's not the first guy to win two BCS titles is he? I don't understand it at all. It's gotta be a religious thing.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Yeah I'm serious. I've been watching the Panthers and Fox for the past decade and live 30 minutes from Charlotte. Watched every single Panthers game under John Fox and watched Fox last year with Denver. You know more about Fox than me?

It has NOTHING to do with Tebow. He's always had this issue. Go ask ANYONE that knows John Fox.

I love Fox as a coach. One of my favorite coaches in the NFL, but he is the most stubborn SOB you will ever meet, especially offensively. He lives and dies by running the football even when it's clear it DOES. NOT. WORK.

He believes in out-executing no matter what. He doesn't believe in changing strategies, even when it's apparent execution has hit a wall and the team cannot out-execute a defense. He still wants you to out-executes. That's him. That's his mentality. I thought he would change in Denver. He didn't.

Peyton might be the only soul on this planet that can change that about John Fox.

You know what Fox's favorite saying is about passing? "There's 3 things that can happen when you throw a football and 2 of them are bad". I have heard this from him over and over and over, waaaaaaaaaaay before Tebow was even starting in college.

I guess you missed the part where Fox changed his enitre offense from a modern NFL offense to one from the fucking 1940's to give Tebow a shot in hell.

[bicketybam]

What's sad is that I like Tebow, but these insane arguments for him just make me want to hate him. He puts up a perfect passer rating and that means he has the ability to be a perfect passer? I feel like I am arguing with my son when he was 12.

-Ed-

[whichfan]

In no sentence of this do you address why this proves he has more upside than Sanchez.

Also, while stopping is the correct way of passing, I think the Steelers can live with Big Ben throwing on the run. QB's are becoming such better athletes where stopping does not make a huge difference unless you are throwing across your body like Favre. Big Ben also is nowhere near the scrambler of Tebow. Tebow has designed options called for him multiple times a game, only maybe Newton and Vick have that.

I already did.

He's already put up a higher passer rating than Sanchez ever has, like it or not, he has a better NFL QB career passer rating, he has a rushing ability Sanchez does not have, and his ability to protect the football and not throw interceptions is better than Sanchez. As far as character, leadership, and everything ELSE that it takes to be a quarterback in the NFL, I don't even think it needs to be addressed. Without those things Tebow wouldn't even be on the map. He was on a record setting pace last year as far as interception efficiency. His career interception % and his TD-to-int ratio is higher than Sanchez.

That won't change, because it is a part of Tebow's fundemental approach to football as a quarterback. He displayed this same discipline in college and in the NFL. He's inconsistent in completion % but VERY consistent in interception % and td-to-int % which does happen to be more important. Scoring and not turning over the ball are more important than completing passes. Might not sell as many tickets or look as pretty offensively, but it does WIN football games.

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and a lot of other elite QB's have the same approach to the game and yes Tim Tebow have the same approach. Their primary goal and the way their brains are wired is as follows:

1) avoid the pick
2) complete the pass

That is what makes them winners and makes them different from gunslingers that costs you games. It's that discipline that a lot of guys never develop. It's one thing to base everything you learn about being a quarterback ON TOP of that mentality, and another thing to try to develop it later in your career. You can always improve your passing. Breaking bad habits, is hard to do.

Many other quarterbacks who learn how to pass the ball, then go back to try to eliminate bad habits and stop throwing picks never accomplish that. They eventually end up on the bench, because they have never developed that mentality to start off with.

[whichfan]

I guess you missed the part where Fox changed his enitre offense from a modern NFL offense to one from the fucking 1940's to give Tebow a shot in hell.

First of all I'm talking about in-game adjustments WITH Tebow.

Second of all, :lol:

That was the most retarded attempt of trying to run the spread option offense I have ever seen in the NFL. You wanna see it done right? Go look at what Chud, Newton and the Panthers have done.

You can't fucking run the spread option offense WITHOUT tight ends and a SHORT PASSING THREAT! Only John Fox would try to do it. It's like if you want it to fail, that's what I would design.

That was a perfect example of how NOT to run the spread option at the NFL level. It wasn't a true spread option offense. It was a hybrid between a traditional passing offense and a spread option using the WRONG personnel.

COMPLETELY WRONG PERSONNEL!

Who was Tebow's short passing option? Do you know? Cause I don't know. Nobody knows. Tebow didn't know. Nobody knew on that field. And please don't even say Willis.

Fox let Tebow improvise a lot. They ran very few designed, set plays that actually made any freaking sense.

[CowboysFan]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football.

is it him being a proud christian? even then, i find it hard to believe that him being a devout believer is enough for all of this.

whatever he's got.. i want it..

.. so i can abuse it. i'd abuse it sooooooo gooooooood.

No its all about football.

He reminds me of Roger Staubach and a greater memory I can not have.

From the "he wont make it" (Staubach was older and came into the league after years in the Navy .. it was not because of mechanics)

To the leadership and presence.

To the Roger the dodger running

To the incredible improbable comebacks.

it's all there.

except the Superbowl (but Tebow is only a first year starter) but looking forward to that one , one day.

[Jake]

^Everybody outside the Jets fan base has been saying Sanchez sucks balls since day 1. He's been leading 4th Quarter comebacks and benefitting from good run game and good D his first two years as well. Yet Sanchez sucks, and Tebow is a winner. Dumbfounding, makes no sense.

Sanchez can at least throw a consistent spiral. :lol:

[raortega3]

^Everybody outside the Jets fan base has been saying Sanchez sucks balls since day 1. He's been leading 4th Quarter comebacks and benefitting from good run game and good D his first two years as well. Yet Sanchez sucks, and Tebow is a winner. Dumbfounding, makes no sense.

Sanchez can at least throw a consistent spiral. :lol:

100% truth right here.


By the way, when will TGG cave in and photoshop Tebow into the NYC skyline?

[whichfan]

^Everybody outside the Jets fan base has been saying Sanchez sucks balls since day 1. He's been leading 4th Quarter comebacks and benefitting from good run game and good D his first two years as well. Yet Sanchez sucks, and Tebow is a winner. Dumbfounding, makes no sense.

Sanchez can at least throw a consistent spiral. :lol:

And he can consistently throw interceptions too.

Career Stats:

interception %
Sanchez: 3.6(1414 attempts, 51 interceptions)
Tebow: 2.5(353 attempts, 9 interceptions)

TD to Int ratio:
Sanchez: 1.07 TD's per interception
Tebow: 1.89 TD's per interception

TD to turnover ratio:
Tebow: 1.81 (29 TD's, 16 turnovers)
Sanchez:1.05 (77 TD's, 73 turnovers)

Honestly, Sanchez has turned over the ball as many times as he's scored touchdowns. And I could care less about completion % when compared to those stats. Touchdowns/turnovers matter more than a freaking completion percentage which has just as much to do with your receivers. Interception % is at least very much a quarterback stat, not a team stat.

In terms of career stats, Sanchez is at the bottom of the NFL when it comes to interception % and td-to-int ratio. Tebow's up there with the best of them.

[deathstar]

I'd take the guy that took a team to 2 championship games over a Joke who got lucky.

[Jake]

whichfan still waiting on your QB rankings 1-30 before we go any further.

[Jake]

I'd take the guy that took a team to 2 championship games over a Joke who got lucky.

This is an objective take. Deathstar ain't a Sanchez apologist.

[BakerMaker]

My gut tells me that this won't work but Tim Tebow is a member of the Jets family, we all should welcome him and root for him to be a great player for years to come.

Unlike Brianna Favre, Tebow is serious about football and isn't going to act like a clown off the football field. He will take his Jets tenure seriously and that is all anyone can ask for.

[whichfan]

whichfan still waiting on your QB rankings 1-30 before we go any further.

Tier 1. Brady, Aaron.

Tier 2(yes tier 2). Peyton, Brees

Eli(he's moving up)

Tier 3: Ben, Rivers, Flaco, Stafford, Ryan, Romo, Schaub, Hasslebeck, Smith(he moved up last year).

Tier 4: Cutler, Moore, Dalton, Yates, Palmer(he's on a down slope though)

Tier 5: Vick, Tebow, Newton(rushing threats set them apart)

Tier 6: Everyone else. Sanchez is in here. Sorry but he's one of the worst in the league right now with the least upside.

However you wanna number it. Brady's 1 and Aaron's 2. Beyond that the exact numbering is debatable.

[reverseapachemaster]

I'd take the guy that took a team to 2 championship games over a Joke who got lucky.

No kidding. People who point to how the Broncos did last year as Tebow's success gloss over how weak the schedule was after Tebow stepped in. They played a bunch of mid-low level teams. Several wins came in OT on a field goal. During Tebow's time, they played two teams that went to the playoffs. They lost to the Lions and lost to the Patriots. They beat the Steelers in the playoffs, again in OT. Not exactly a stellar record.

Had Tebow stayed at the helm in Denver this year teams would have been defensively prepared. Just three points in several of those games swings Denver into a serious losing record. A few offensive plays go south and Denver doesn't make it to OT to make the FG. Denver doesn't even get in the hunt for a wildcard.

[whichfan]

No kidding. People who point to how the Broncos did last year as Tebow's success gloss over how weak the schedule was after Tebow stepped in. They played a bunch of mid-low level teams. Several wins came in OT on a field goal. During Tebow's time, they played two teams that went to the playoffs. They lost to the Lions and lost to the Patriots. They beat the Steelers in the playoffs, again in OT. Not exactly a stellar record.

Had Tebow stayed at the helm in Denver this year teams would have been defensively prepared. Just three points in several of those games swings Denver into a serious losing record. A few offensive plays go south and Denver doesn't make it to OT to make the FG. Denver doesn't even get in the hunt for a wildcard.

Lots of teams lose to the Patriots. That means nothing. And they could have actually blown out the Steelers in the playoffs had it not been for the refs saving Ben's "lateral pass fumble". Did you even watch the game? They didn't "get lucky" against the Steelers, they dominated them pretty much the entire game. The Steelers were the ones that had to tie the game.

Let's not act that they lost in the playoffs to just any team. It WAS the Patriots, and had they been matched up with anyone else, like say the Ravens or Texans, who knows what would have happened. Pats made the Superbowl, remember? Tebow would have had no problem playing as ugly as Brady did to get past the Ravens that is if Denver's D would have played as good as the Pats D did. Brady's 0 TD, 2 INT performance and 57.5 rating wasn't exactly stellar. That certainly didn't prove you need to be an "elite passer" to get to the Superbowl. Brady sneaked in for a TD, something Tebow could have probably done much better.

[AbdulSalam]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football....

I am psyched to have a much better viable alternative than drew stanton as the back up QB. It's definitely not about football????? Are you insane? Were you living under a rock for the past football season? It is all about FOOTBALL.

In 2011 the Broncos were 1-4 and left for dead when they switched QBs to Tebow. The team then went 7-1 (including beating the Jets) and went on to Beat the Steelers in the playoffs in a game in which Tebow threw for 316 Yds and 2 TDs including and 80 YD TD PASS IN OT TO WIN THE FKNG GAME.

What is fascinating are the Tebow Haters like you who ignorantly ignore his skills as a football player and a leader and pretend that this guy isn't a winner even though he has been a winner his entire life. The dude is a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP QB who holds massive numbers of collegiate QB records. He is an incredibly tough and talented football player who has continued to improve.

The absolute stupidity and ignorance of some fans who sit there like doofuses and say its not about football is frankly shocking. IT IS ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. HE IS A GOOD YOUNG FOOTBALL PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN A WINNER AT EVERY LEVEL HE HAS PLAYED AT.

He is a much better backup QB than Drew Stanton is. Get over the stupid football ignorance and recognize that this is a highly talented guy we just got for a freaking 4th rd pick.

[TebowTrollCoach]

This is a great question. He's not the first guy to win two BCS titles is he? I don't understand it at all. It's gotta be a religious thing.
Not for me..in fact I sure wish he would just can it, and save it for Sunday after the game, in private with other people..

That's why I like Catholics I guess..they really don't run around evangelizing and all that.

Personally, I had become disenchanted with much of football, between the criminal element, and the prima donnas , and the west coast pass oriented game plans, I could barely make myself watch a pro game. I longed for the days of smashmouth football , like ol Bill Cosby likes.. Anyway, I was a Gators fan, until they had issues, and for whatever reason this kid shows up... Tim Tebow, under the radar, because his parents kept him out of the public school system..so he didn't learn about being gay, and so on..

But what really got my attention was when I was watching the ever routine Gators game on Saturday when this new young QB pushed an All American linebacker for the damn LSU tigers backwards about 5 yards one day..

Then I started checking this kid out that Meyer was working with, and what was happening with the team...and it turned out he was a little like me, in that he had won the state championship in high school with almost a compound fracture in both his tibia and fibula..and he ran the last TD in on that broken leg.

I don't go to church, and I am not *religious*... but I really like watching anyone who will fight through all kinds of crap to win, or whatever..and I have had to do things when I was injured and all that..and I know it takes a badass..and I think Tim is a badass, even though the only place he shows it is in football...


Seriously, when is the last time you saw a QB , please name the guy so I can watch him..that pushes linebacker backwards and runs over them >> I think it is friggin awesome to watch it..so do a lot of other people..

[kubernetes]

"He's already put up a higher passer rating than Sanchez ever has..."

Ever heard of a statistical outlier? Tebow hasn't had enough of a body of work either, so one game like that bumps up his overall rating in a significant, but ultimately meaningless way.

Here's how I see Tebow: he can perform on a high level, but only for about 5-10 minutes a game. For three-and-a-half quarters he makes Blaine Gabbert look like a HoFer. And then (sometimes) in the last drive or two he executes like mad. That might work if our D was like the 2000 Ravens, but otherwise it's just not a sustainable way to win.

[AbdulSalam]

These folks who are so afraid of hearing the fans calling for more Tebow - the answer to that is very simple - Sanchez needs to play great and win football games and not throw bad passes and interceptions. If Sanchez is successful there is no reason to think Tebow will be anything more than a wildcat option QB. If Tebow continues to improve GREAT !!! IF Sanchez steps it up and improves - GREAT !!! If Sanchez is injured or lays an egg - I'm glad that the Jets went out and got a backup QB that is a proven winner who can win football games immediately.

I guess the haters here wanted Drew Stanton to be the backup QB in case Sanchez went down or failed to win and improve.... If that is what you wanted - Drew Stanton instead of Tebow - then just come out and say so - BUT you should be prepared to tell us all how Drew Stanton is a better QB than Tim Tebow is.

Did Drew Stanton win a Heisman Trophy? Was Drew Stanton an All American? Did Drew Stanton win a National Title? Did Drew Stanton set the BCS single game record for total offense when he led his team to a 51-24 blowout win in the 2010 Sugar Bowl? Did Drew Stanton help lead his team into the AFC Playoffs where he helped lead them to victory over the Steelers???

If you are so worried that Tebow is not as good as Drew Stanton - Please have the guts and football intelligence to make your case.

[whichfan]

"He's already put up a higher passer rating than Sanchez ever has..."

Ever heard of a statistical outlier? Tebow hasn't had enough of a body of work either, so one game like that bumps up his overall rating in a significant, but ultimately meaningless way.

Here's how I see Tebow: he can perform on a high level, but only for about 5-10 minutes a game. For three-and-a-half quarters he makes Blaine Gabbert look like a HoFer. And then (sometimes) in the last drive or two he executes like mad. That might work if our D was like the 2000 Ravens, but otherwise it's just not a sustainable way to win.


So all of these are "statistical outliers"?

Miami: 13 27 161 48.1 5.96 42 2 0 91.7
Oakland: 10 21 124 47.6 5.91 29 2 0 98.1
Sand Diego:9 18 143 50.0 7.94 39 1 0 95.4
Minnesota:10 15 202 66.7 13.47 42 2 0 149.3
Steelers:10 21 316 47.6 15.05 80 2 0 125.6

And I guess if you want to count these two:
Kansas City: 2 8 69 25.0 8.63 56 1 0 102.6
San Diego: 4 10 79 40.0 7.90 31 1 0 101.7

I actually see 2 statistical outliers, the KC and San Diego games.

The other 5, are just games with solid or great passing performances.

Tebow's started in 13 games, and in 6 of those he's had a QB rating of 91.0 or higher, and those are OUTLIERS?

Man, I love the logic of some haters.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense should be able to pick up on the fact that:

1) because of Tebow's low passing attempts per game, each incompletion significantly affects his completion %
2) because unlike dumbass quarterbacks, when Tebow goes out of his way to take a sack or throw the ball away, along with his low passing attempts, it makes his completion % look bad. But this is NOT a bad thing. This is a GOOD thing. This is how he went on a 5 game winning streak without throwing ANY interceptions.

Yeah I'll take an extra pass thrown away or two if it means 0 interceptions because he's also avoiding making that bad throw. Some guys will force 2 or 3 extra completions, but those 2-3 extra completions also means an extra interception. It's never worth it. I'd rather he completes at 48% with 0 interceptions than 55% with 1.

Case in point?

Tebow against the Jets: 9/20 104 5.2 0 0 61.2 45% completion percentage
Mark Sanchez with the Jets: 24/40 252 6.3 0 1 67.9 60% completion percentage

Who won? Why? Who was smart and who was stupid?

PS: Tebow had the only rushing TD that game. The other one was a pick 6 thanks to Sanchez. Just saying...THIS is HOW Tebow wins. He plays smart not stupid. That's not luck. That's conservative, smart football, but when you also have the rushing ability, it makes up for being a conservative passer. It's just that receivers don't like that too much.

[metfan2987]

I remember when the Pats were playing the Broncos in the divisional round this year. I was with a bunch of buddies drinking beers and shootin the shit. I turned to one of my closest buds and said "boy, i hope this is the last time I ever have to root for Tebow in my life." At the time, if you asked me who my 5 least favorite players in the league were, number 1 would be Brady, and 2 would be Tebow. When I saw this news, my heart sank.

However, this team has already tested my patience, and everytime i fight through it. Because thats what being a die hard is all about. Its about sticking with them through the bad losses. Its about dreaming of the day they finally bring it home. Its about being loyal to the name on the front of the jersey no matter who is wearing it. However, its just gonna take me some time. If Sanchez is benched for him at any point in the season, I may throw up though. Wouldnt be the first time they made me barf, and god willing it probably wouldnt be the last.

[AbdulSalam]

Still waiting for somebody that hates Tim Tebow to step up and tell me how on earth they believe that Drew Stanton is a better option than Tim Tebow as the backup QB.

[kubernetes]

So all of these are "statistical outliers"?

What about the games he went

58.6
61.2
68.3
37.9
20.6
52.7
?

All this tells me is that he is wildly inconsistent. I actually like Tebow a lot, but he's got a long ways to go before he can be a long term starting QB.

[metfan2987]

So all of these are "statistical outliers"?

Miami: 13 27 161 48.1 5.96 42 2 0 91.7
Oakland: 10 21 124 47.6 5.91 29 2 0 98.1
Sand Diego:9 18 143 50.0 7.94 39 1 0 95.4
Minnesota:10 15 202 66.7 13.47 42 2 0 149.3
Steelers:10 21 316 47.6 15.05 80 2 0 125.6

And I guess if you want to count these two:
Kansas City: 2 8 69 25.0 8.63 56 1 0 102.6
San Diego: 4 10 79 40.0 7.90 31 1 0 101.7

I actually see 2 statistical outliers, the KC and San Diego games.

The other 5, are just games with solid or great passing performances.

Tebow's started in 13 games, and in 6 of those he's had a QB rating of 91.0 or higher, and those are OUTLIERS?

Man, I love the logic of some haters.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense should be able to pick up on the fact that:

1) because of Tebow's low passing attempts per game, each incompletion significantly affects his completion %
2) because unlike dumbass quarterbacks, when Tebow goes out of his way to take a sack or throw the ball away, along with his low passing attempts, it makes his completion % look bad. But this is NOT a bad thing. This is a GOOD thing. This is how he went on a 5 game winning streak without throwing ANY interceptions.

Yeah I'll take an extra pass thrown away or two if it means 0 interceptions because he's also avoiding making that bad throw. Some guys will force 2 or 3 extra completions, but those 2-3 extra completions also means an extra interception. It's never worth it. I'd rather he completes at 48% with 0 interceptions than 55% with 1.

Case in point?

Tebow against the Jets: 9/20 104 5.2 0 0 61.2 45% completion percentage
Mark Sanchez with the Jets: 24/40 252 6.3 0 1 67.9 60% completion percentage

Who won? Why? Who was smart and who was stupid?

PS: Tebow had the only rushing TD that game. The other one was a pick 6 thanks to Sanchez. Just saying...THIS is HOW Tebow wins. He plays smart not stupid. That's not luck. That's conservative, smart football, but when you also have the rushing ability, it makes up for being a conservative passer. It's just that receivers don't like that too much.


Interesting and simple factoid...Mark Sanchez had the same amount of rushing TDs as Tebow last year.

[Jake]

I'm with you man. This is the most disagreeable transaction during my time as a NYJ fan, and there's been many. If it doesn't lead to a QB controversy and he helps out our run game, then we'll be fine. Doesn't help his idiot cult-following fans think he's an All-Pro at every position.

The 2012 season lives and dies with Sanchez and the OL.

[AbdulSalam]

I actually like Tebow a lot, but he's got a long ways to go before he can be a long term starting QB.

Thats fine and thats why he is not being annointed as the starting QB. He is the backup QB. If he improves Great !!! If not we already have a starting QB who also needs to improve and if Sanchez improves GREAT !!!

In the meantime, who would you rather have as your backup QB going into the season - Tim Tebow or Drew Stanton??

[Jake]

Tier 1. Brady, Aaron.

Tier 2(yes tier 2). Peyton, Brees

Eli(he's moving up)

Tier 3: Ben, Rivers, Flaco, Stafford, Ryan, Romo, Schaub, Hasslebeck, Smith(he moved up last year).

Tier 4: Cutler, Moore, Dalton, Yates, Palmer(he's on a down slope though)

Tier 5: Vick, Tebow, Newton(rushing threats set them apart)

Tier 6: Everyone else. Sanchez is in here. Sorry but he's one of the worst in the league right now with the least upside.

However you wanna number it. Brady's 1 and Aaron's 2. Beyond that the exact numbering is debatable.

Thank you for going on record. TJ Yates is better than M Vick? I'm anti-Vick as hell and think that's a putrid ranking. Hey, opinions are like assholes. We'll revisit this when the season starts and ends.

Be sure to not dodge the 3 posts prior to this one.

[whichfan]

So all of these are "statistical outliers"?

What about the games he went

58.6
61.2
68.3
37.9
20.6
52.7
?

All this tells me is that he is wildly inconsistent. I actually like Tebow a lot, but he's got a long ways to go before he can be a long term starting QB.

Exactly. Inconsistent. Not unable. BIG difference.

But how was even our "elite QB's" like Manning his first year?

Sun 9/6
vsMIA
L 15-24 21 37 302 56.8 8.16 42 1 3 58.6
Sun 9/13
@ NE
L 6-29 21 33 188 63.6 5.70 22 1 3 51.1
Sun 9/20
@ NYJ
L 6-44 20 44 193 45.5 4.39 22 0 2 39.3
Sun 9/27
vsNO
L 13-19 (OT) 19 32 309 59.4 9.66 78 1 3 63.2
Sun 10/4
vsSD
W 17-12 12 23 137 52.2 5.96 27 1 1 66.8
Sun 10/11
vsBUF
L 24-31 20 41 235 48.8 5.73 26 2 2 62.6
Sun 10/18
@ SF
L 31-34 18 30 231 60.0 7.70 61 3 0 117.5
Sun 11/1
vsNE
L 16-21 30 52 278 57.7 5.35 24 2 2 69.2
Sun 11/8
@ MIA
L 14-27 22 42 140 52.4 3.33 18 1 2 47.7
Sun 11/15
vsNYJ
W 24-23 26 44 276 59.1 6.27 38 3 2 81.3
Sun 11/22
@ BUF
L 11-34 14 29 164 48.3 5.66 30 1 2 48.6
Sun 11/29
@ BAL
L 31-38 27 42 357 64.3 8.50 34 3 1 105.0
Sun 12/6
@ ATL
L 21-28 19 27 159 70.4 5.89 30 2 2 79.1
Sun 12/13
vsCIN
W 39-26 17 26 210 65.4 8.08 23 3 0 128.7
Sun 12/20
@ SEA
L 23-27 23 39 335 59.0 8.59 53 1 1 84.9
Sun 12/27
vsCAR
L 19-27 17 34 225 50.0 6.62 46 1 2 56.6
REGULAR SEASON STATS 326 575 3,739 56.7 6.50 78 26 28 71.2


Not even as good as Tebow. People must have forgotten just how bad Peyton sucked that they actually were thinking about going with someone else towards the end of that season. And Brady?

Sun 9/23
vsNYJ
L 3-10 5 10 46 50.0 4.60 21 0 0 62.9
Sun 9/30
vsIND
W 44-13 13 23 168 56.5 7.30 38 0 0 79.6
Sun 10/7
@ MIA
L 10-30 12 24 86 50.0 3.58 15 0 0 58.7
Sun 10/14
vsSD
W 29-26 (OT) 33 54 364 61.1 6.74 26 2 0 93.4
Sun 10/21
@ IND
W 38-17 16 20 202 80.0 10.10 91 3 0 148.3
Sun 10/28
@ DEN
L 20-31 25 38 203 65.8 5.34 30 2 4 57.1
Sun 11/4
@ ATL
W 24-10 21 31 250 67.7 8.07 44 3 0 124.4
Sun 11/11
vsBUF
W 21-11 15 21 107 71.4 5.10 26 1 1 78.9
Sun 11/18
vsSTL
L 17-24 19 27 185 70.4 6.85 27 1 2 70.8
Sun 11/25
vsNO
W 34-17 19 26 258 73.1 9.92 41 4 0 143.9
Sun 12/2
@ NYJ
W 17-16 20 28 213 71.4 7.61 46 0 0 93.3
Sun 12/9
vsCLE
W 27-16 19 28 218 67.9 7.79 23 0 2 61.3
Sun 12/16
@ BUF
W 12-9 (OT) 19 35 237 54.3 6.77 40 0 1 63.6
Sat 12/22
vsMIA
W 20-13 11 19 108 57.9 5.68 23 1 0 91.6
Sun 1/6
@ CAR
W 38-6 17 29 198 58.6 6.83 31 1 2 62.1
REGULAR SEASON STATS 264 413 2,843 63.9 6.88 91 18 12 86.5
2001 POSTSEASON GAME LOG
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT RAT
Sat 1/19
vsOAK
W 16-13 (OT) 32 52 312 61.5 6.00 29 0 1 70.4
Sun 1/27
@ PIT
W 24-17 12 18 115 66.7 6.39 28 0 0 84.3
Sun 2/3
vsSTL
W 20-17 16 27 145 59.3 5.37 23 1 0 86.2
POSTSEASON STATS 60 97 572 61.9 5.90 29 1 1 77.3

Slightly better than Tebow. People don't remember. None of those guys started off consistent or wildly accurate. Those guys were just as inconsistent as Tebow. Heck it took Brady 3 years to put up a QB rating over 100 in the post season. And how was Brady seen coming into this league?

How quickly people forget. The difference is Manning was brought in to pass, given the keys to the franchise and allowed to throw as many picks as his heart desired his first year. Brady had a Super Bowl caliber defense. Tebow had neither. He HAD to win just to earn his position, just like Brady. Peyton never had to deal with that. And he STILL chose the no-pressure situation by picking Denver instead of the 49ers.

I'm going to LMFAO when Peyton and the Broncos fail this year.

[21stAmendment]

My buddy is a Gators fan. I've been talking smack about Tebow for years. I've been pulling for Manning to go to Denver so Tebow would be put out on his ass. Boy did that backfire.

[CowboysFan]

So all of these are "statistical outliers"?

What about the games he went

58.6
61.2
68.3
37.9
20.6
52.7
?

All this tells me is that he is wildly inconsistent. I actually like Tebow a lot, but he's got a long ways to go before he can be a long term starting QB.


Tebow is not the long term QB. they had just said he was a read option package QB and Sanchez was the starter! How many times does this have to be said?

I think at 24 and on his first year starting he can be developed. Like any other young QB or is he being judged differently ?( it always seems he is, like if he has been in the league for 7 or 8 years)

Here are 2 good stats , 3835 total yards 32 TDs 16 starts ( appearances in several other games) that's more production than about 70% of he other starters in the nfl in their first 16 starts ( starts include 2 post season games)

[Jake]

Why is Sanchez at 25 done learning? You ever see Eli Manning after year 3. Go crunch the numbers.

[whichfan]

Interesting and simple factoid...Mark Sanchez had the same amount of rushing TDs as Tebow last year.

Interesting fact: He also had the same amount of fumbles lost as he had rushing TD's. Tebow only had 6. 2-1 ratio not 1-1.

Which is roughly the same as his TD-to-int passing %. Mark Sanchez's career TD-to-int passing % is also roughly 1. Which is basically not good enough to start in the NFL if you ask me.

Sorry, but the numbers don't lie. Tebow is conservative in passing attempts. But his TD to interception ratios results in winning football games. That's the KEY behind his wins. That's what everyone misses.

That's usually the key behind most QB's wins. Not passing attempts, completion % or all that other crap. It's how many TD you can score versus how many times you turn over the ball.

It is really that simple.

[CowboysFan]

Still waiting for somebody that hates Tim Tebow to step up and tell me how on earth they believe that Drew Stanton is a better option than Tim Tebow as the backup QB.

You are not going to get any takers , even the elite executive members of hater nation will not touch that one .

[whichfan]

Why is Sanchez at 25 done learning? You ever see Eli Manning after year 3. Go crunch the numbers.

Why is Tebow?

[Jake]

Why is Tebow?

He isn't. I never denied that... all I'm hearing from you clowns is how he's going to get better. Sanchez is also going to get better.

[CowboysFan]

Interesting and simple factoid...Mark Sanchez had the same amount of rushing TDs as Tebow last year.

I'm pretty sure he played a third of a season more , since Tebow started in week 7

[CowboysFan]

Why is Sanchez at 25 done learning? You ever see Eli Manning after year 3. Go crunch the numbers.

I think Sanchez has potential to be elite .

[Jake]

I think Sanchez has potential to be elite .

You've definitely failed to make that clear.

[PJ4Ever]

Sorry but I use the eye test over numbers, and Tim Tebow, right now, is just not a starting qb in the NFL. No one will get me to change my mind on that except for Tim Tebow, by improving and learning how to throw the ball. I'll say this - I guarantee Drew Stanton is a better passer of the ball than Tim Tebow is right now.

[johnny]

Once again I am talking about ceiling. I have already said, as far as consistency goes, Tebow doesn't have it. But Sanchez has never put up better numbers in the regular season than Tebow. He's never won a playoff game in the manner that Tebow did last year in overtime with the game on the line under that much pressure.

You cannot overlook those things when it comes to Tebow. He has shown he has a higher ceiling in his first year as a starter.

Whether or not he can ever become consistent is a different story, but whether or not he can do it, or has the ability to do it, is no longer a question. He proved it.

No offense, I doubt that you will find many people (other than Tebow fans perhaps) who judge someone's ceiling by looking at the QB rating in a single game performance. That "logic" that you are trying to use just does't wash.

It's tatamount to saying that Dallas Lee Braden (age 28, who pitched a perfect game for the A's in 2010, lifetime ERA 4.16) has a higher ceiling than Tim Lincecum (28, no perfect games, 2.98 lifetime ERA).

[CowboysFan]

You've definitely failed to make that clear.

The guy had 1 year of college , he is thrust into the most intense high pressure market in the nfl, delivers 2 really solid post seasons , has a 4-2 playoff record , distractions galore with the Rex Ryan 3 ring circus , team mates acting crazy , shrugs it off and improves every year ( yes I know about the end of last season ).
Kid has elite written all over him. I don't understand how some jet fans don't see it .

[whichfan]

He isn't. I never denied that... all I'm hearing from you clowns is how he's going to get better. Sanchez is also going to get better.

I'm not denying either guy can get better.

I'm simply debating with the mediots who go on repeating over and over that Tebow can't pass, or that it's "luck" or "outliers" when the guy put up 7 games with a passer rating of 90.0 or above as a first year starter. When he put up better passer ratings than even Manning in his first year and never had the conditions that guy did.

All I'm saying as far as a single game performance, based on what most people measure QB's by, Sanchez simply hasn't done quite as good as Tebow, while he has certainly done quite a bit worse(OTD, 5INT, 8.3 QB passer rating). So based on that along with his rushing abilities, yes I think Tebow's demonstrated he has a higher ceiling and doesn't crumble nearly as bad as Sanchez has shown to do. Factor in all the other intagibles and I think he has a brighter future.

So whatever it is you wanna judge potential based on, I think as far as demonstrated performance, Tebow's proven he can perform at a higher level. Between his passing and rushing, he can literally carry a team on his shoulders to touchdowns if needed. He's a primary scoring threat every time you put him on the field.

Whether he can become consistent, is a different subject. But as far as whether "can Tebow pass": the only people who spew that are those that need to discount all 5 full game SOLID passing performances he put together last year. Out of only 13 games that he played. They have to explain away every passing performance he has, to continue tooting their horn of how Tebow can't pass. They look ridiculous. So do media idiots like Stephen A Smith, who continuously ignore his good passing performances and repeatedly show only his bad ones.

Can he pass? Yes.
Can he pass consistently? Remains to be seen.

I don't believe his inconsistency was simply a Tebow issue. I believe his inconsistency was due to a Broncos/coach/situation/receivers issue and running into new NFL defenses for the first time.

[Jake]

The guy had 1 year of college , he is thrust into the most intense high pressure market in the nfl, delivers 2 really solid post seasons , has a 4-2 playoff record , distractions galore with the Rex Ryan 3 ring circus , team mates acting crazy , shrugs it off and improves every year ( yes I know about the end of last season ).
Kid has elite written all over him. I don't understand how some jet fans don't see it .

Agreed 100%.

So how do you see this playing out? Sanchez improves year 4, Tebow is used sparingly then what? Or do you see Sanchez continue to struggle early year 4 and the media circus thrusts Tebow into the gig?

[CowboysFan]

Sorry but I use the eye test over numbers, and Tim Tebow, right now, is just not a starting qb in the NFL. No one will get me to change my mind on that except for Tim Tebow, by improving and learning how to throw the ball. I'll say this - I guarantee Drew Stanton is a better passer of the ball than Tim Tebow is right now.

Tebow is not the starter .

And unfortunately Stanton is not a better NFL passer .

Career NFL quarter back rating ( only passing stats )

Tebow 75.1
Stanton 63.1

It's not even close

[CowboysFan]

Agreed 100%.

So how do you see this playing out? Sanchez improves year 4, Tebow is used sparingly then what? Or do you see Sanchez continue to struggle early year 4 and the media circus thrusts Tebow into the gig?

I see Sanchez rising to the occasion ,

I see Tebow for the first time in his life being pushed back

I see Tebow being a beast in the package

I see Sanchez picking up leadership and hard work traits from Tebow ( Tebow is a legend being the first guy in last guy out , Sanchez ain't getting there later or leaving earlier )

I see the team feeding off the intensity

I see Tebow picking up passing traits from Sanchez ( anticipation , pocket movement , footwork)

If the fans and the media get the F out of the way it's lights out .

The media is the only true obstacle and Rex has to gain control of guys like crow tweeting crap

[Hooterdawg]

Agreed 100%.

So how do you see this playing out? Sanchez improves year 4, Tebow is used sparingly then what? Or do you see Sanchez continue to struggle early year 4 and the media circus thrusts Tebow into the gig?

Always great to see a Jet fan agree with a Cowboy fan because only a few Jet fans agree.

[Jake]

I see Sanchez rising to the occasion ,

I see Tebow for the first time in his life being pushed back

I see Tebow being a beast in the package

I see Sanchez picking up leadership and hard work traits from Tebow ( Tebow is a legend being the first guy in last guy out , Sanchez ain't getting their later or leaving earlier )

I see Tebow picking up passing traits from Sanchez ( anticipation , pocket movement , footwork)

If the fans and the media get the F out if the way it's lights out .

The media is the only true obstacle

Good take. For the Jets franchise, that's the ideal scenario. This is what I'm dying to see happen.

[Corrado Sparano]

Tebow will make us say NAMATH WHO????

[whichfan]

Tebow will make us say NAMATH WHO????

He's already saying that for most people. Not too many fans were around to watch him play.

[Boltjolt]

You guys are in for a frustrating ride. Looks like Tebowmania has already struck this place but i saw him play a lot being as the Broncos are in our division and Tebow cant throw for crap. Dont matter what you have for weapons, the guy had trouble completing swing passes and short hopped many passes to his WR's. He was 6-22 against KC at home.............. against Kyle Orton losing 7-3.

His footwork is a mess and he barely gets past his first progression before he wants to run. He may sell jerseys but lets be real. He isnt a good NFL QB by any means. Sure if a game is close and your defense keeps you in it, he can make plays with his legs but if it is a shootout....game over!!

Enjoy!

[whichfan]

Good point

Career NFL QBR measuring only passing stats

Tebow QBR 75.1

Stanton QBR 63.1

Not to mention Tebow is a DUAL threat QB.

So I love how people completely discount the rushing part of his game as if it doesn't count in the NFL just because it comes from a quarterback.

I'm sorry but does Tebow's rushing touchdowns not win games? Does his rushing not move the chains?

Did the NFL pass some new rule that no QB can rush for a touchdown and if they do, they don't plan on counting it on the scoreboard?

[Reece]

We had 3 other stiffs on the roster that could do exactly that without the 2.5mil cap hit.

With the passing attack pretty much relegated to an afterthought, it doesn't really matter if Tebow can throw or not. The FO/CS had no intentions on letting Sanchez throw the ball much anyway. If I were Holmes, I'd ask for a trade just to get to a team with a downfield game instead of the 3 runs and a cloud of dust offense we're probably gonna see.

Is that you Sporano?

[whichfan]

You guys are in for a frustrating ride. Looks like Tebowmania has already struck this place but i saw him play a lot being as the Broncos are in our division and Tebow cant throw for crap. Dont matter what you have for weapons, the guy had trouble completing swing passes and short hopped many passes to his WR's. He was 6-22 against KC at home.............. against Kyle Orton losing 7-3.

His footwork is a mess and he barely gets past his first progression before he wants to run. He may sell jerseys but lets be real. He isnt a good NFL QB by any means. Sure if a game is close and your defense keeps you in it, he can make plays with his legs but if it is a shootout....game over!!

Enjoy!

Yeah and he was 10-21 and put up a 149.5 QB rating against Minnesota and 5 other times where he put up ratings over 90. Including SD.

All of which you conveniently leave out. You did get Tebowed in OT so I suppose you have a good reason to be butt hurt. Go back to your division and watch Manning/River choke. They will be both competing for the biggest choke artist in the AFC West. My money's on Peyton with Rivers completely falling apart before he even puts himself in a position to choke.

[johnny]

10% the other way and it`s a split..........I`m surprised but I see a lot of new members stuffing the box..........I tip my hat to you guys.......never a dull moment and I am watching you guys.............I still consider the Jets a force to be reckoned with..........

It would be interesting to look at the poll considering only members with a join date of Feb 2012 or earlier.

[Jetfanmack]

It's an interesting point brought up by the original poster. While Tebow can't throw the ball, he can run the ball, and if he's going to be our full-time QB, we can at least run a ball control offense with limited turnovers and rely on our defense. That's what Denver did to make the playoffs this year, and we have a better defense. Did they get lucky in several games? Sure, but Denver also was close in these games, and I would think part of the reason why is they didn't turn the ball over that much and they had decent time of possession with their running game.

I liked Stanton in college. He hasn't really gotten a fair shake in the NFL, but it's like with Kellen Clemens: there were times when the team would go out of their way to not let him play just because they didn't think he was that good.

And remember with Tebow, this guy was considered a project out of college with his arm motion. He played a few games as a rookie, got more extensive playing time last year. Like Sanchez, he's still got time to improve as a QB, and he should be better than he was last year.

[CowboysFan]

You guys are in for a frustrating ride. Looks like Tebowmania has already struck this place but i saw him play a lot being as the Broncos are in our division and Tebow cant throw for crap. Dont matter what you have for weapons, the guy had trouble completing swing passes and short hopped many passes to his WR's. He was 6-22 against KC at home.............. against Kyle Orton losing 7-3.

His footwork is a mess and he barely gets past his first progression before he wants to run. He may sell jerseys but lets be real. He isnt a good NFL QB by any means. Sure if a game is close and your defense keeps you in it, he can make plays with his legs but if it is a shootout....game over!!

Enjoy!

I'll take the word of your linebacker who played with him on the field over yours but I understand your sentiment since the Denver Broncos with him at the helm beat you down in overtime

"He makes plays, you can't deny that," Chargers linebacker Takeo Spikes said of Tebow. "People can talk about the way he throws the ball, people can talk about his release. But at the end of the day, this league is about what have you done for me lately? And if you can come in and make the plays that another guy can't, then you'll play a long time."


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[whichfan]

I'll take the word of your linebacker who played with him on the field over yours but I understand your sentiment since the Denver Broncos with him at he helm beat you down and made you watch him against Pittsburgh instead of you guys hosting the game

"He makes plays, you can't deny that," Chargers linebacker Takeo Spikes said of Tebow. "People can talk about the way he throws the ball, people can talk about his release. But at the end of the day, this league is about what have you done for me lately? And if you can come in and make the plays that another guy can't, then you'll play a long time."



He's happy cause when they lose to Peyton, Rivers can save face now. It's not quite as bad as getting Tebow-ed.

I think that's the number one reason Peyton chose Denver. He knows the only other highly regarded QB that's a bigger choke artist than himself is Rivers. And Rivers makes Peyton look good. Ever since they lost Rivera Chargers have been slowly disintegrating and I don't see that stopping. The good Rivers/Chargers era is behind them. All downhill for the next 3-4 years.

[CowboysFan]

He's happy cause when they lose to Peyton, Rivers can save face now. It's not quite as bad as getting Tebow-ed.

I think that's the number one reason Peyton chose Denver. He knows the only other highly regarded QB that's a bigger choke artist than himself is Rivers. And Rivers makes Peyton look good. Ever since they lost Rivera Chargers have been slowly disintegrating and I don't see that stopping. The good Rivers/Chargers era is behind them. All downhill for the next 3-4 years.

I don't share your sentiments on Peyton but Rivers play has dropped off or sure .

[ukjetsfan]

This is a quote from Tannenbaum: “If our offense is sputtering, and we have, say, three three-and-outs, and we roll this out there and it’s successful, who knows,” Tannenbaum said. “I think it will just depend on the game and the situation.”

So the leash on Sanchez is three three-and-outs in a row. Then we're in a quarterback controversy.

I have nothing against Tebow the player - he's a tremendous competitor and can run the wildcat effectively. It's the extra baggage he brings and, as seems to be the case all the time, Tannenbaum just doesn't factor this in.

I have a bad feeling about this.

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[whichfan]

3 three-and-outs?

OH FFS just announce him as the starter already.

Tannenbaum: "This game, Mark, we've decided to make our first set of offensive downs, wild cats sets....just to throw a wrench in their plans....but don't worry, you're starting game 1 as the starter, while we defer and play defense, and then when we get the ball, Tebow's going to come in as your backup to run the wildcat."

[JetsUK]

I dont think that is the issue - most people would agree tebow is beter than stanton but (IMO) the issue with tebow is that he brings a huge amunt of drama and media attention to a team that more than anything else this season should be keeping its head down and getting on with the business of building a team. this is the only reason i am down on the trade.

it is also distracting the team from doing what it should be doing now which is going out there trying to get well priced FAs now the mad season is over. we have sort of addressed 2 needs out of about 6 so far whereas they could realistically have covered 4 of them.

[JetsUK]

congratulations to the Tebow thread in making it into the top ten list by # of posts.

[blackssmagic]

Guys,

Being deployed I have real limited access to things, I say on ESPN this morning that there is another hang up again on this trade. Is Tebow a Jet or not? NOt trying to start shit just wondering.

[Cakes]

The guy had 1 year of college , he is thrust into the most intense high pressure market in the nfl, delivers 2 really solid post seasons , has a 4-2 playoff record , distractions galore with the Rex Ryan 3 ring circus , team mates acting crazy , shrugs it off and improves every year ( yes I know about the end of last season ).
Kid has elite written all over him. I don't understand how some jet fans don't see it .

That seems good when you read it.

You are a Cowboys fan. I doubt you have watched every snap of Sanchez's career.

Sanchez is not accurate and does not have good pocket awareness. These are major concerns. When he was knocked around early in games, he went into a shell. In December, Sanchez reminded me of David Carr at the end of his Texans career.

Sanchez will have to improve his accuracy. That can be done. He will likely never be a 70% passer, but 60% might be alright. More importantly, I believe Sanchez needs multiple sessions with a sports psychologist so that he does not become shellshocked in the future when he gets roughed up in games.

When drafted, I felt Sanchez's ceiling was a Phil Simms-type. You know, effective if the team has a top defense and good running game. Sanchez is not dynamic enough as a passer to carry a team with a mediocre running attack.

I see Sanchez getting benched at some point this season and Tebow taking over as the starter. I see it as a coaching decision as opposed to a Tim Tebow cult and media co-decision.

Tebow also has major accuracy issues but is much tougher mentally and has better pocket awareness than Sanchez. In my opinion, neither is a good NFL QB at this particular time.

[Will-I-Am-Not]

It was foreordained that Tebow should come to the team where Revis Christ holds services every Sunday.

[AbdulSalam]

We went from having an ineffective wildcat package and Drew Stanton as our backup to having a very good wildcat package and Tim Tebow as our backup QB. WIN WIN.

We have two former first Rd draft pick QBs who have both shown the ability to win in the NFL and who both need to improve aspects of their game in order to become good NFL QBs. Competition and allowing these guys to push each other to improve on a daily basis will be a good thing for both of them. I think its a great move.

Bottom line: Tim Tebow is a vast improvement over Drew Stanton.

[Dierking]

the read option and the wildcat are not the same thing. Unless the Jets come up with something funky that has both Tebow and Sanchez in the huddle at the same time, defenses are going to be able to sub in when Tebow's package comes into the game. So two mediocre QBs in the same play to effect a 4-5 yard run? Not really seeing this as a great strategy.

[papapump]

Stanton, not enough out there to make a call. Tebow, needs to be able to throw the down and out.

[Don]

Guys,

Being deployed I have real limited access to things, I say on ESPN this morning that there is another hang up again on this trade. Is Tebow a Jet or not? NOt trying to start shit just wondering.

He is buuuuttttt...he needs to sign a new contract with Denver (my guess is to show a reduction in the advance money that the Jets agreed to pay) and then it takes 24 hours (Saturday) before the league office can bless the trade. Because of that the new conference has been postponed from today until Monday.

[Don]

I don't know much about Drew Stanton but I'm guess he can actually, you know, THROW the football.

What is it then that he can't do? Has to be some reason he has been a lifelong #3.

[raortega3]

Double post

[raortega3]

Word on the street is that Tebow chose the Jets over Jax because he feels he can win the starting role from Mark Sanchez.

[Don]

Word on the street is that Tebow chose the Jets over Jax because he feels he can win the starting role from Mark Sanchez.

Nonsense..he chose the Jets because the Jets front office and coaches wanted him and in Jacksonville they didn't. They believe Gabbert is their savior (and why they will forever be a JV NFL team).

[NewEnglandJet]

I already see it happening...Please do not listen to some of these crazy Tebow fans.

People like Skip Bayless are the reason people HATE Tebow. There are numbers to support both the haters and the worshipers.


The best thing you can do is give Tebow a decent chance without letting the media sway you in any way. Tebow will be a great team mate and he is INCREDIBLY LOYAL. There is a potential he could be here for a long time.

I like Tebow a lot, he provided a ton of excitement last year. He has glimpses of greatness, but unfortunately mixed in with terrible inconsistency. He has a knack for getting into the end zone and is a big play qb. This could potentially be the first time a coaching staff is behind him, so lets all pray this turns out for us.



Edit: I am a huge Tebow fan, but I don't have blinders on. I can see he has potential but needs work.

[Don]

congratulations to the Tebow thread in making it into the top ten list by # of posts.

Imagine if all the Tebow threads were combined..they would pass the new stadium thread in a few more days and blow the board up completely by the start of camp.

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

Why wasn't this a public poll? I want to be able to call out non-believers when Tebow is raising the Lombardi trophy.

[Tonetime320]

I feel the same way. I have turned off the tv numerous times because of my hate for tebow time now it's time to grit our teeth and take if like men haha.

[whichfan]

Nonsene to the fact that Jacksonville didn't want him. He didn't choose the Jets and Tebow already said that. He said he had no say. And Jacksonville DID want Tebow and would have likely made him a starter:

Mularkey insists Jaguars wanted QB Tebow
(AP) – 11 hours ago
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Jacksonville Jaguars coach Mike Mularkey insists he wanted quarterback Tim Tebow.
Speaking before a fan event Thursday night, Mularkey indicated that reports saying otherwise were false.
"Don't believe everything you hear or read in the media," Mularkey said. "It's hard not to want a guy like that. We wouldn't have tried to trade for him if we didn't feel like we didn't want to have him here. There were a lot of things that went into this thing to try to get Tim to come here.
"In the long run, it did not work out. But if you do not want a player, you don't even get involved with it."





"I really didn’t have any (say)," Tebow said, when asked if he chose the Jets over the Jaguars. "The Broncos had all that power."

And Jacksonville offered more. Elway said he was "involved" meaning kept up to date.

Now let's think about this.

1. Tebow wanted to be back in Florida, and said he missed home.
2. Tebow said he had no say in the deal.
3. Why would a QB turn down a situation where he would probably be guaranteed to start and have an offense built around him? Even if he didn't he'd have 0 issues winning the job from Gabbert even in a traditional passing offense.

Apparently Tim told John to do what's best for the team. John picked the Jets.

Now if the Jaguars offered more then from a business perspective it made NO sense. So let me get this right. Tebow had little choice, but it was clear beforehand Tebow wanted to be back in Florida, would have had a starting Job, and despite the better offer Elway picked the Jets for Tebow Hmm....what does that say about Elway? Why would Elway turn down a better offer and keep Tebow from a starting job?

Maybe he's afraid Tebow would win with that Jacksonville Jaguars D and an offense built around him. And Broncos would have to play him next year. Put him in Brady's division, as a back-up to Sanchez, and it at least temporarily gives Elway some breathing room when Peyton starts stinking it up. I mean let's be honest, Jacksonville with Tebow has a better chance to win their division against the Texans and land a high seed than Tebow does with the Jets have with the Pats in the same division, assuming he even wins the starting job.

Tebow's happy to be a Jet because Tebow's happy for anyone that gives him an opportunity, and makes the best of every situation, but you have to be crazy to think a QB would pass up the opportunity to be a starter.

The ONLY way Tebow picks the Jets himself, if he really did have a choice, is if he was told he'd start and currently we're being taken for a ride by the Jets front office. And for those who think Tebow would pick NY as some sort of media platform.....Tebow took over the NFL out of Denver. He made Denver relevant and was talked about more than both NY teams and all other big market teams. He doesn't need NY to reach the media cause the media follows him wherever he goes.

[tzinc]

He is an upgrade he is the best back up in the NFL after what he showed last year. If Sanchez goes down Tebow can lead them to the playoffs Stanton can't.

Tebow has proven it.

[The Notorious J.E.T.S]

Hate the Hype, Not The Man.

[Brian McFan]

If you think Tebow's stupid, not sure what to think about you.


I don't think he's stupid. But if he is a virgin, he might be the only one in NYC.

[tzinc]

He is cheap. He is a proven NFL winning QB. He's like an added RB. If he improves and Sanchez doesn't he replaces him and if Sanchez improves... in a couple years they could trade him.

[LWC611]

Tebow will make us say NAMATH WHO????

Calm down....take deep breaths...... calm down..........

[LWC611]

Tebow is a Jet
I am a Jets Fan
I will root for Tebow

[SanityRemoved]

The things that annoy me about the Stanton deal is that it's costing the Jets money in the cap and Tanny makes the Jets more untrustworthy.

Are we so short sighted in the Front Office that we never imagined that Tebow would be available? Last season every team in the league should have been aware that the shortened training camp would lead to a higher amount of injuries. The Jets not only ignored that but somehow believed the O line would be fine with players of limited experience. What was once a strong point of the team quickly became a mess.

Our player development is pretty poor, and it takes us far too long to determine whether players can even hit the second string level.

[Cman55]

Taken from today's NYDN:



Tim Tebow’s love of New York has nothing to do with pastrami and rye, or Times Square, or even Madison Ave.: The real reason Tebow loves New York is because he feels he can beat out Mark Sanchez and become the Jets’ starting quarterback.

Timsanity — and an explosive quarterback controversy — starts now.

A major factor in Tebow’s push to come to New York over Jacksonville, his hometown, is that he sees a clear path to resuming his career as a starter, sources tell the Daily News.

The Jets will start Tebow off in a limited role as the Wildcat quarterback — GM Mike Tannenbaum must have said 20 times the other night that Sanchez is the starter and Tebow is the backup — but what other backup flies cross-country on a private jet, as Tebow did Thursday from Van Nuys, Calif., to Morristown, N.J., only to disembark to an adoring crowd of Tebow-ing fans?
What other backup quarterback arrives with the guarantee that he will get on the field?

If Sanchez and Tebow play like they did last year, the Jets could have a new starting quarterback by Halloween. This is a crucial year for Rex Ryan. If Sanchez doesn’t respond to the pressure Tebow puts on him, Ryan will go into self-preservation mode and could demote Sanchez to save himself.

Tebow is too competitive to settle for serving as Sanchez’s caddie. He led the Broncos to the playoffs last season and won a playoff game while Sanchez regressed. No matter how the Jets spin it, this is a vote of no confidence in Sanchez, who many now believe is vulnerable to losing his starting job.

If the conventional offense with Sanchez running it is ineffective and Tebow is moving the ball in the outdated Wildcat, he will get increased snaps. That puts Sanchez on the bench. He will pout. More plays for Tebow could lead to an eventual flip-flop on the depth chart. The Jets must be creative in giving Tebow a diverse package, otherwise defenses will zero in on him the way the Patriots did in their 45-10 playoff victory over the Broncos.

There is a feeling around the league that the Jets believe Sanchez played his best in the pressure of the playoffs his first two seasons and they feel they need to put the pressure on him in the regular season to get him to raise his game.


“There has been a little bit of a question mark in the front office, the head coach and players, with Mark Sanchez,” one Super Bowl-winning defensive coordinator said Thursday. “At different times, different people have alluded that he might not be good enough. Now all of a sudden you bring in the most popular guy in the league — the guy sold more jerseys than (Tom) Brady did last year. It’s going to put a lot of pressure on Mark. More pressure than he’s ever had.”

Tebow is a polarizing figure, and Sanchez has become a lightning rod himself in New York. The fans will take sides. The players will take sides. The coaches will take sides. Tebow says he’s been friends with Sanchez for several years, but a quarterback controversy could end that.

“They want me to come in and compete and get better as a quarterback and help the team any way possible,” Tebow said. “Whatever that role is, I will do my best. Every time I step on the field, I give my heart and soul.”

Tebow was in Los Angeles on Wednesday working out with UCLA offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone. Throughout the day, when the Jets and Broncos were bickering over $5 million and the Jaguars jumped into the mix, Tebow was in constant communication with Denver coach John Fox.

He told Fox that he preferred to be traded to the Jets over the Jags, his hometown team. Tebow was turned off to the Jaguars because only new owner Shad Khan wanted him, sources told the Daily News. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, new head coach Mike Mularkey and his top offensive assistants were adamantly against trading for Tebow. The Jags have the worst quarterback situation in the league with Blaine Gabbert, a bust as their No. 1 pick last year, and newly signed Chad Henne, but the coaches didn’t want Tebow.

The Jets were all-in on Tebow: owner Woody Johnson, Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Tony Sparano all agreed to pursue him. That wasn’t the case in Jacksonville — and it’s tough to work in an environment where you are not wanted. Even if Khan ordered Smith to trade for Tebow and then ordered Mularkey to play him — the Jags are in desperate need of a marketing boost — it would have been an unbearable situation for Tebow. The Rams and Packers were also interested, but Tebow had no shot at playing time in either spot, and both dropped out early.

The Broncos didn’t come to Tebow in the end and say: Okay Tim, where do you want to go? They had already solicited his opinion. The Jets’ and Jaguars’ offers to the Broncos were similar: The Jets offered $2.53 million and fourth- and sixth-round picks in exchange for Tebow and a seventh-round pick. The Jags offered $3 million and a fourth-round pick. Tebow was impressed the Jets hung in there when it looked like the deal was falling apart: It convinced him how much the Jets wanted him.

The Broncos sent Tebow to the Jets because he told Fox that’s the deal he wanted, although if the Jags’ offer had been significantly better, John Elway would have traded him to Jacksonville.

Ultimately, Tebow felt the love coming from the Jets. And sources say Fox felt the right thing to do was trade Tebow to the team he wanted to go to as a parting gift for taking the Broncos to the playoffs and being gracious during the 10-day courtship of Peyton Manning.

There’s little doubt that Tebow’s love for New York would have been a little less intense had he been traded to the Giants — and their two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback.



This should quiet the "No drama" Crowd just a bit. Tebow came here to take Sanchez's job? Say it ain't so Tanny! Tell us why this couldn't possibly be the case especially after taking the 2.5mil cap hit by paying off the Broncos.

Imagine that. More controversy for the New and Improved Tanny & Ryan Circus.

This franchise is headed for the shit pile on a rocket.

[jonnyd]

youre all excited about a media hype piece in March? Take it easy

[OldTimer]

I believe that Sachez and Tebow are going to be very close friends. I feel that Mark will help Tebow improve his passing game and Tebow will light a fire under Sanchizes ass. I can see the so called Seminole and Tebow packages evolveing into alot more than what we tradtionally see. I envision in addition to the traditional option I can see Sporano using him as a halfback, a tightend, using motions and combinations of all. I believe the offence will use him in ways we havent seen before and alot more than most people think. IMO he is going to be used alot in non QB plays. Im excited to see how it all plays out. Call me crazy but I can see him lining up somewhere with 15 to 20 plays a game.

[Cman55]

youre all excited about a media hype piece in March? Take it easy

The nicest thing about this is that Tebow just saved me about $300 buks. Cancelled my Sunday Ticket for this season. No reason to pay extra to watch the GnP/WC on Sunday when I can be bored to death watching it during the week.

I'm actually looking forward to the drama as it should add some interest to what's shaping up to be yet another "transition" year for the "New Tanny & Rex Show".

[whichfan]

Taken from today's NYDN:



This should quiet the "No drama" Crowd just a bit. Tebow came here to take Sanchez's job? Say it ain't so Tanny! Tell us why this couldn't possibly be the case especially after taking the 2.5mil cap hit by paying off the Broncos.

Imagine that. More controversy for the New and Improved Tanny & Ryan Circus.

This franchise is headed for the shit pile on a rocket.



Parts of that report is false, especially the part where it says only Jacksonville owner wanted him. Coach wanted him too:

“It’s hard not to want a guy like that,” Jaguars head coach Mike Mularkey said. “We wouldn’t have tried to trade for him if we didn’t feel like we wanted to have him here. Gene [Smith Jaguars general manager] and myself and his staff, there was a lot of things that went into this thing to try to get Tim to come here and in the long run it did not work out.”

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And the most interesting part was this answer:


Mularkey was asked Thursday if he did intend to use Tebow as a third-string quarterback and special teams player, as one report said. He said “some of that’s confidential.”

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Why would Mularkey simply not state he would be a back-up, especially since they didn't get him? Sounds more like he didn't want to say, "no we wanted him to start over Gabbert and we failed to get him".

So if Tebow did have a choice, why the hell would he pick to share or be a back-up over a starter? What NFL quarterback wants to be a back-up?

[nyj8085]

Everytime I think there is no way I can root for Tebow... I think wait a minute I rooted by Bryan Cox and Jason Taylor as Jets. And like everyone else I really despised both of them. So yeah anything is possible. But let's be honest the first time he makes a first down or touch down we will all be screaming for him. Now Tebow's fans on the other hand...

[whichfan]

The folks at ExtraTV confirmed Rovell’s tweet on their site:

…Virgin Atlantic Airways, has offered to provide Tebow with free flights to London and unlimited access to the airline's new JFK Clubhouse... so long as he stays a virgin.

In their statement, the airline said, "The 'penalty flag' will only be thrown if the quarterback 'gets sacked' and 'loses possession' of his V-card."

There is nothing more to say.

Remember folks, we’re one day into the Tim Tebow Does New York experience.
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:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Good marketing.

[LeonNYJ]

and how do they expect to enforce this?

If people think that NY's gonna make Tebow cave after Florida couldn't...

[whichfan]

and how do they expect to enforce this?

Would Tebow........lie? He's obviously saving it for marriage. Why else would he wait this long?

[LeonNYJ]

Would Tebow........lie? He's obviously saving it for marriage. Why else would he wait this long?

Yeah, obviously, but either way, if he did he wouldn't just go out and tell the world.

[Cman55]

Good marketing.

Exactly what we've been saying all along. This entire episode is business..

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Would Tebow........lie? He's obviously saving it for marriage. Why else would he wait this long?

According to Elway he's lying about not having a say in where he went. Why wouldn't he lie for free flights?

[CrashDMB237]

Gary Meyers also bashes the Jets every chance he gets. He's like Fatcessa. Bash bash bash Sanchez til the Jets make a move, now Sanchez is untouchable and he shouldn't be fucked with. Saying "this should quiet the no drama crowd" is as dopey as me saying "well this should quiet the drama crowd" after posting Tanny's quotes about Mark being the starter no matter what. Stop looking for reasons to hate this move.

[jets4lyfah]

delusional fool

jets players all support mark sanchez, if he tries to take mark's spot there would be a riot in the meadowlands

[Don]

Utter bullshit..who wrote this drivel? I don't even see a name on it. For all you fools who still don't think the Jets are one of the most hated sports franchises in the world you are getting a good taste of it now.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

The thing that's really interesting about Tebow is that he's like a snapshot at this point. Some day fairly soon, probably by 2018 or thereabouts we're going to have the "where did Tim Tebow go?" type story lines. He'll have been out of the NFL for 3 or 4 years at that point and moving on to whatever is next but the mania surrounding his time at Florida and then in the NFL was large enough that he hasn't just gotten buried by the sands of time.

His final lines are going to be about 30 games started at the NFL level with no clear success statistically speaking and just the one playoff win against the Steelers as the high point.

John Elway will refuse to be interviewed for the Tebow documentary because he still hasn't recovered personally from his brief encounter with Tebow in 2011. Any number of former Jets will talk about Tebow but Mike Tannenbaum will stay mum because getting fired by the Jets in the 2012 off-season still stings. The Broncos and Jets who do talk about him will have only positive things to say though. Tebow was a good teammate.

Oakland Raiders QB Mark Sanchez, now 32 and very productive in the Raider's West Coast is another guy who declined an interview. He's reported to think that both he and Tebow got screwed by the trade to NY but try to get that one on the record.

Tebow's time in the NFL is going to be looked at as a phenomenon that grew out of troubled times, with a lot of people looking for something, anything, to convince themselves that life isn't just what you see in front of you but something to revel in the possibilities of.

In the end he just wasn't a passable QB and physics tends to be the great equalizer. But he sure gave everybody a ride while he was trying to fend off that fact.

[LGENF]

it's not his fans you hate, its the damn media on Tebow overkill

but there is an upside, the JETS are now going to lead sportcenter every freaking day during football season

[whichfan]

Yeah, obviously, but either way, if he did he wouldn't just go out and tell the world.

He wouldn't but....we'd know. "Inside NFL reporters" would find out for us.

You know the first chick that gets a chance to get Tebowed will run her mouth to the entire world if she's not his wife or fiance. I mean the guy turned down everyone from Kid Karadashian to some military airwoman sweethart that invited him to the military bowl and dated Taylor Swift.

We'll probably know who, when, where, for how long...

[whichfan]

According to Elway he's lying about not having a say in where he went. Why wouldn't he lie for free flights?

You believe John "Tim's our starting quarterback going into training camp" Elway over Tebow?

[reverseapachemaster]

Lots of teams lose to the Patriots. That means nothing. And they could have actually blown out the Steelers in the playoffs had it not been for the refs saving Ben's "lateral pass fumble". Did you even watch the game? They didn't "get lucky" against the Steelers, they dominated them pretty much the entire game. The Steelers were the ones that had to tie the game.

Let's not act that they lost in the playoffs to just any team. It WAS the Patriots, and had they been matched up with anyone else, like say the Ravens or Texans, who knows what would have happened. Pats made the Superbowl, remember? Tebow would have had no problem playing as ugly as Brady did to get past the Ravens that is if Denver's D would have played as good as the Pats D did. Brady's 0 TD, 2 INT performance and 57.5 rating wasn't exactly stellar. That certainly didn't prove you need to be an "elite passer" to get to the Superbowl. Brady sneaked in for a TD, something Tebow could have probably done much better.

I don't know if you know this but we play the Pats twice every year. So if Tebow's greatness is equated to Denver's record last year, and he lost to the Pats twice last year, then he's no great addition to the team. We already have a QB that led the team to two losses to the Pats last year.

Interesting though that you glossed over the rest of my argument...

[colleen74]

This is sick. It's nobody's fucking business who he does or doesn't fuck.

[Hobbes3259]

Taken from today's NYDN:



This should quiet the "No drama" Crowd just a bit. Tebow came here to take Sanchez's job? Say it ain't so Tanny! Tell us why this couldn't possibly be the case especially after taking the 2.5mil cap hit by paying off the Broncos.

Imagine that. More controversy for the New and Improved Tanny & Ryan Circus.

This franchise is headed for the shit pile on a rocket.

I didn't see anything coming from the man, that said that.

And FWIW...The quote from the 'defensive coord.' is probably the NYG DC, and is worth crap.

Sanchez, will be LIGHT YEARS better than the previous 3 with schotty gone. (-10 QBR points on EVERY QB he's had)

And Sanchez did not regress last year, his numbers were better ever year from the first.

The Fucking NY Media is trying to stir up a shitstorm, that isn't going to happen.


After last years locker room debacle, Rex is going to sit his ass on this team like he's protecting a box of Krispy Kremes.

[Cman55]

Gary Meyers also bashes the Jets every chance he gets. He's like Fatcessa. Bash bash bash Sanchez til the Jets make a move, now Sanchez is untouchable and he shouldn't be fucked with. Saying "this should quiet the no drama crowd" is as dopey as me saying "well this should quiet the drama crowd" after posting Tanny's quotes about Mark being the starter no matter what. Stop looking for reasons to hate this move.

I don't have to look for reasons to hate this move because, I HATE THIS MOVE PERIOD. As things unfold, all of you "true fans" will start to see it happen right before your eyes. Sanchez fucks up, Cries for Tebow begins, FO/CS bows to public pressure and Presto! Tim Tebow is now the starting QB.

I refuse to join the "My team do or die" crowd. Been watching this franchise too long for that foolishness. You, otoh are free to do what you wish. Buy the Jersey, tebow on your way to work, whatever.

As has been said by wiser men than me: "And this too, shall pass".

[LGENF]

The thing that's really interesting about Tebow is that he's like a snapshot at this point. Some day fairly soon, probably by 2018 or thereabouts we're going to have the "where did Tim Tebow go?" type story lines. He'll have been out of the NFL for 3 or 4 years at that point and moving on to whatever is next but the mania surrounding his time at Florida and then in the NFL was large enough that he hasn't just gotten buried by the sands of time.

His final lines are going to be about 30 games started at the NFL level with no clear success statistically speaking and just the one playoff win against the Steelers as the high point.

John Elway will refuse to be interviewed for the Tebow documentary because he still hasn't recovered personally from his brief encounter with Tebow in 2011. Any number of former Jets will talk about Tebow but Mike Tannenbaum will stay mum because getting fired by the Jets in the 2012 off-season still stings. The Broncos and Jets who do talk about him will have only positive things to say though. Tebow was a good teammate.

Oakland Raiders QB Mark Sanchez, now 32 and very productive in the Raider's West Coast is another guy who declined an interview. He's reported to think that both he and Tebow got screwed by the trade to NY but try to get that one on the record.

Tebow's time in the NFL is going to be looked at as a phenomenon that grew out of troubled times, with a lot of people looking for something, anything, to convince themselves that life isn't just what you see in front of you but something to revel in the possibilities of.

In the end he just wasn't a passable QB and physics tends to be the great equalizer. But he sure gave everybody a ride while he was trying to fend off that fact.

sure hope you are wrong for both our sakes

cause I really want him to help this team do well

[jerseyjay14]

We went from having an ineffective wildcat package and Drew Stanton as our backup to having a very good wildcat package and Tim Tebow as our backup QB. WIN WIN.

We have two former first Rd draft pick QBs who have both shown the ability to win in the NFL and who both need to improve aspects of their game in order to become good NFL QBs. Competition and allowing these guys to push each other to improve on a daily basis will be a good thing for both of them. I think its a great move.

Bottom line: Tim Tebow is a vast improvement over Drew Stanton.

I've been trying to say this since the trade went down.... How is this not a fantastic trade? We used a 4th rounder and for all purposes upgraded in 2 spots and brought in a great charecter player.

the negatives are just crap:

if sanchez does bad he'll get boo'd off the field
That would have happened anyway... hell it almost happened at the end of last season when our backup was a 40 year old glorified qb coach named mark burnell. only thing that has changed is now if sanchez gets boo'd/benched we have a better option coming in for him

tebow brings in a circus atmosphere with his following
have you lived under a rock? this has been a circus atmosphere since rex ryan took over. and for the most part, we have won. tebow isnt changing anything, that atmosphere is already here

This might kill sanchez Psyche
first, everyone just killed this team for nto having anyone to push him... now all of a sudden we dont want to hurt his mental state? second, if he cant handle the pressure, id rather find out and move on, as your likely not winning with a mentally weak player(see cutler, jay). that said, sanchez i think is a tough guy who will handle it... if he can handle his teammates throwing him under the bus via twitter and the NY media, he can handle this

4th round pick got us maybe the best possible guy in the league to run our wildcat packages, a guy to improve our short yardage situation, and a better backup.

thats a win in my book

[deathstar]

LOL

What a freak show.

I'm beginning to feel sorry for you die hard Jets fans...

[whichfan]

This is sick. It's nobody's fucking business who he does or doesn't fuck.

No, this is Tebowmania. Welcome.

[Don]

I don't have to look for reasons to hate this move because, I HATE THIS MOVE PERIOD. As things unfold, all of you "true fans" will start to see it happen right before your eyes. Sanchez fucks up, Cries for Tebow begins, FO/CS bows to public pressure and Presto! Tim Tebow is now the starting QB.

I refuse to join the "My team do or die" crowd. Been watching this franchise too long for that foolishness. You, otoh are free to do what you wish. Buy the Jersey, tebow on your way to work, whatever.

As has been said by wiser men than me: "And this too, shall pass".

Sanchez sucked last year..if there was a failing by the front office it is that they should have pushed harder to convince Manning to come here.

[Skicats]

delusional fool

jets players all support mark sanchez, if he tries to take mark's spot there would be a riot in the meadowlands

Wrong, if he doesn't try and take Mark's spot, then the Jet's fans should riot. Any player, on any team should be trying as hard as he can to be a starter. If he isn't, he ain't worth having on the team.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Gary Myers is going to be the guy on the "Play Tebow" bandwagon early next season unless I miss my guess. He was heavy on the "Get Peyton Manning" bandwagon before it even got hitched up.

[Cman55]

Sanchez sucked last year..if there was a failing by the front office it is that they should have pushed harder to convince Manning to come here.

Yep.. If we had the cap space Don, I have no doubt that would have been the case. Which reminds me, what happened to all that cap space we were saving up for this season anyways? What happened to the plan? What's RingMaster's endgame here?

[Hobbes3259]

Cman, you should have the mods change the title of this thread to,

'Douchebag Gary Meyers headlines a column with a statement that has no basis of support from the article'

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Can anyone excerpt a piece of that article, that actually supports the headline???????

[Br4dw4y5ux]

sure hope you are wrong for both our sakes

cause I really want him to help this team do well

I do too. You just have to understand that this is the Jets we're talking about.

Just when Tebow thinks he has it all figured out there it will be in all it's horrible splendor: the Sta-Puf Marshmallow Man.

[Cman55]

Cman, you should have the mods change the title of this thread to,

'Douchebag Gary Meyers headlines a column with a statement that has no basis of support from the article'

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So Hobbes, if someone other than Gary Meyers had wrote this story, would they too be douches? Don't hate the messenger Hobbes. Bad form old bean..

[fozzi58]

The Fucking NY Media is trying to stir up a shitstorm, that isn't going to happen.

That pretty much sums it up.

My fav part of the article is how this douchenozzle talks about Mark's regression. Only 10% of reporters go on to say marginal improvement and hardly anyone talks about how the parts around Mark digressed while Mark had a "marginal" improvement.

Seeing Tebow line up as an HB, RB QB or TE (my fav move) for 15 to 20 snaps a game would be awesome.

The kindling going on the fire for a QB controversy is pure shit and does nothing but stir up borderline fans into a frenzy of Sanchez hating lemmings.

[jets4lyfah]

You know the first chick that gets a chance to get Tebowed will run her mouth to the entire world if she's not his wife or fiance. I mean the guy turned down everyone from Kid Karadashian to some military airwoman sweethart that invited him to the military bowl and dated Taylor Swift.

u kno sanchez gets bitches too right?

[Don]

Yep.. If we had the cap space Don, I have no doubt that would have been the case. Which reminds me, what happened to all that cap space we were saving up for this season anyways? What happened to the plan? What's RingMaster's endgame here?

If they had cut him when they could have they would have saved 12 million this year..With that I am sure they could have found a way. (And like I said before, I will never argue your opinion of Tannenbaum, it has been mine as well and for a much longer time)

[jlee499]

The thing that's really interesting about Tebow is that he's like a snapshot at this point. Some day fairly soon, probably by 2018 or thereabouts we're going to have the "where did Tim Tebow go?" type story lines. He'll have been out of the NFL for 3 or 4 years at that point and moving on to whatever is next but the mania surrounding his time at Florida and then in the NFL was large enough that he hasn't just gotten buried by the sands of time.

His final lines are going to be about 30 games started at the NFL level with no clear success statistically speaking and just the one playoff win against the Steelers as the high point.

John Elway will refuse to be interviewed for the Tebow documentary because he still hasn't recovered personally from his brief encounter with Tebow in 2011. Any number of former Jets will talk about Tebow but Mike Tannenbaum will stay mum because getting fired by the Jets in the 2012 off-season still stings. The Broncos and Jets who do talk about him will have only positive things to say though. Tebow was a good teammate.

Oakland Raiders QB Mark Sanchez, now 32 and very productive in the Raider's West Coast is another guy who declined an interview. He's reported to think that both he and Tebow got screwed by the trade to NY but try to get that one on the record.

Tebow's time in the NFL is going to be looked at as a phenomenon that grew out of troubled times, with a lot of people looking for something, anything, to convince themselves that life isn't just what you see in front of you but something to revel in the possibilities of.

In the end he just wasn't a passable QB and physics tends to be the great equalizer. But he sure gave everybody a ride while he was trying to fend off that fact.

As both Sanchez and Tebow failed with the N.Y. Jets, we had to turn to a 3rd stringer, Greg McElroy. Who took us to greatness again, winning Super Bowl XLVIII. :metal:

[whichfan]

Sanchez doesn't have to "fuck up". The FO already said Tebow will be playing in packages when Mark has a 3 and out....and if it just so happens that Tebow gets the offense going, then who knows how long he'd stay in. Could be a drive, a quarter, a year. What difference does it make? Hey if Tebow's willing to back Sanchez up, is Sanchez unwilling to back Tebow up? Is that what Sanchez fans are saying? What kind of TEAM players are they? ;)


In other news mayor Bloomberg decided to get in on the Tebowmania action:

"I did hear that the Jets have a new quarterback and I can tell you, personally, I was hurt ... because I would have thought that if they wanted to have a backup for Mark Sanchez all they would have to do is call me," Hizzoner joked on WOR-AM’s “John Gambling Show.” “You know, it's only 13 Sundays. I can do it while I'm still mayor. I wouldn't charge them very much. I work for a dollar a year for the city. I'm sure we could negotiate something."

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Hang in there Sanchez.

[Hobbes3259]

Word on the street is that Tebow chose the Jets over Jax because he feels he can win the starting role from Mark Sanchez.

No, that is not the word on the street.

That's the Headline on Gary Meyers' column, which is not supported by a single sentence IN the column.

[LeonNYJ]

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and plays great he will be the Jets QB
2. If Sanchez sucks then Tebow will be the Jets QB

End of story. If Sanchez doesn't step up, with a QB who we can say is almost even with him, and show that he can lead this team and really be a good QB, then he deserves to sit and have Tebow start.

People keep saying people will scream for Tebow. Well if Sanchez sucks, then why not?

[fozzi58]

This is sick. It's nobody's fucking business who he does or doesn't fuck.

u kno sanchez gets bitches too right?

This is what this discussion has come down too. Whether Mark is going to get Tim to lose his virginity or if Tim will prematurely ejaculate while disrobing on his wedding night

*smh

[reverseapachemaster]

I am psyched to have a much better viable alternative than drew stanton as the back up QB. It's definitely not about football????? Are you insane? Were you living under a rock for the past football season? It is all about FOOTBALL.

In 2011 the Broncos were 1-4 and left for dead when they switched QBs to Tebow. The team then went 7-1 (including beating the Jets) and went on to Beat the Steelers in the playoffs in a game in which Tebow threw for 316 Yds and 2 TDs including and 80 YD TD PASS IN OT TO WIN THE FKNG GAME.

What is fascinating are the Tebow Haters like you who ignorantly ignore his skills as a football player and a leader and pretend that this guy isn't a winner even though he has been a winner his entire life. The dude is a HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP QB who holds massive numbers of collegiate QB records. He is an incredibly tough and talented football player who has continued to improve.

The absolute stupidity and ignorance of some fans who sit there like doofuses and say its not about football is frankly shocking. IT IS ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. HE IS A GOOD YOUNG FOOTBALL PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN A WINNER AT EVERY LEVEL HE HAS PLAYED AT.

He is a much better backup QB than Drew Stanton is. Get over the stupid football ignorance and recognize that this is a highly talented guy we just got for a freaking 4th rd pick.

When you agree to support Tebow, do they give you a script to repeat? So many Tebow fans say the same thing, practically word for word.

Nobody disagrees he did well in college. He's not playing in college anymore. The NFL is different. That's why a lot of great collegiate QBs don't play well in the NFL. They aren't comparable because the quality of players is higher (think about all the collegiate players who never get drafted, even from winning teams) and its more pass oriented. It's like saying you were valedictorian in high school so you must be the smartest kid at Harvard. There are lots of valedictorians there. Not everybody rises to the top.

I'm not going to challenge your thoughts about him as an NFL player. I'm not going to change your opinion nor are you going to change mine. However, there is definitely more to his popularity than his skills. He definitely has a cult of personality around him that the media loves. It's fueled by that nonsense he does on the field.

There's also a huge following based on religious grounds. If you look at news sites, even very prominent ones like CNN, there were stories yesterday about how the churches in Denver were bemoaning his loss and how it was a particular loss to them. Not Denver or the Broncos. To the church and its patrons. He has become a hero to some Christians over his overt expressions of his faith. He has become an unstoppable sword of Christianity on the football field. Criticizing his playing has become synonymous with criticizing his faith. It has nothing to do with his acumen as a player. Living in Texas, there are a lot of evangelical Christians around here and they are lockstep Tebow supporters. Even people who don't watch football and don't know if he is a good player support him fanatically. I once told some people -- friends of my wife -- who attend an evangelical church that I did not think he was a great player. One guy asked, "is it because of his religion?" I don't know how he got a religious attack out of attacking his playing ability otherwise.

I'm not saying you are that kind of fan -- I don't know -- but there's a lot of fans like that.

[LGENF]

No, that is not the word on the street.

That's the Headline on Gary Meyers' column, which is not supported by a single sentence IN the column.

although in the interview Tebow did say he came here to compete


hmmmm..................

only time will tell - but for sure its gonna be one hell of an offseason

[JoeWillie130]

Taken from today's NYDN:



This should quiet the "No drama" Crowd just a bit. Tebow came here to take Sanchez's job? Say it ain't so Tanny! Tell us why this couldn't possibly be the case especially after taking the 2.5mil cap hit by paying off the Broncos.

Imagine that. More controversy for the New and Improved Tanny & Ryan Circus.

This franchise is headed for the shit pile on a rocket.

Wait a backup QB wants to be a starter...impossible!!

This is not different than most situations in the league. Any team that doesn't have an elite QB has a backup that thinks they should be playing and will say all the right things but at the same time do everything to win the job. It's up to rex not to be pushed into anything because of the media storm behind Tebow. Now can rex handle that....I don't know.

[Cman55]

You know the first chick that gets a chance to get Tebowed will run her mouth to the entire world if she's not his wife or fiance. I mean the guy turned down everyone from Kid Karadashian to some military airwoman sweethart that invited him to the military bowl and dated Taylor Swift.

We'll probably know who, when, where, for how long...

and in addition, if Chic is smarter than the ones that Tiger Woods was bangin, knowing ChristKid can't use birth control, she gets knocked up and either marries into or settles for a pile of dough.

[abyzmul]

The nicest thing about this is that Tebow just saved me about $300 buks. Cancelled my Sunday Ticket for this season. No reason to pay extra to watch the GnP/WC on Sunday when I can be bored to death watching it during the week.

I'm actually looking forward to the drama as it should add some interest to what's shaping up to be yet another "transition" year for the "New Tanny & Rex Show".

Don't you like football? I'm not talking about the watered-down Arena-league-esque product that the NFL seems bent on producing, I'm talking about watching a team outsmart and dominate the opposition no matter the popularity of the methods. I like watching good football, and I'm not going to let the hype machine decide for me what the definition of good football is. I liked seeing Brad Smith make defenses look foolish, and he made some critical gains for us like that.

I'll be renewing my subscription yet again, although since I know how to work the DTV cancellations department so well, it'll probably be for a fraction of what you have willingly paid for yours.

[Hobbes3259]

That pretty much sums it up.

My fav part of the article is how this douchenozzle talks about Mark's regression. Only 10% of reporters go on to say marginal improvement and hardly anyone talks about how the parts around Mark digressed while Mark had a "marginal" improvement.

Seeing Tebow line up as an HB, RB QB or TE (my fav move) for 15 to 20 snaps a game would be awesome.

The kindling going on the fire for a QB controversy is pure shit and does nothing but stir up borderline fans into a frenzy of Sanchez hating lemmings.

^ that.........

[LeonNYJ]

This is what this discussion has come down too. Whether Mark is going to get Tim to lose his virginity or if Tim will prematurely ejaculate while disrobing on his wedding night

*smh

soon there will be speculation over whether Tebow spanks his monkey too.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

You believe John "Tim's our starting quarterback going into training camp" Elway over Tebow?

Of course I do.

[CrashDMB237]

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and plays great he will be the Jets QB
2. If Sanchez sucks then Tebow will be the Jets QB

End of story. If Sanchez doesn't step up, with a QB who we can say is almost even with him, and show that he can lead this team and really be a good QB, then he deserves to sit and have Tebow start.

People keep saying people will scream for Tebow. Well if Sanchez sucks, then why not?

Bingo. None of this matters if Sanchez just does his job. If he doesn't do his job, he SHOULD be replaced. And maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have Tim Tebow out there than DREW STANTON.

[jets4lyfah]

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and plays great he will be the Jets QB
2. If Sanchez sucks then Tebow will be the Jets QB

End of story. If Sanchez doesn't step up, with a QB who we can say is almost even with him, and show that he can lead this team and really be a good QB, then he deserves to sit and have Tebow start.

People keep saying people will scream for Tebow. Well if Sanchez sucks, then why not?

wtf? 1st of all i dunno what u mean by sucking
2nd of all how about having the patience to let mark develop and become the qb that he could be?

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and plays great he will be the Jets QB
2. If Sanchez sucks then Tebow will be the Jets QB

End of story. If Sanchez doesn't step up, with a QB who we can say is almost even with him, and show that he can lead this team and really be a good QB, then he deserves to sit and have Tebow start.

People keep saying people will scream for Tebow. Well if Sanchez sucks, then why not?

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and the Jets win he will be the Jets QB
2. If the Jets lose he won't

His play is going to be purely incidental to the the question of whether or not the Jets wind up with him or Tebow at QB. There are jobs on the line above his spot on the Org Chart and if the Jets aren't winning he could be completing 60% of his passes and not turning the ball over a lot and it wouldn't matter, just like it didn't matter for Chad in 2007.

If the Jets talent is better than it was last season there's a good chance Sanchez remains the Jets starting QB. If it is not then Tebow will get his chance because somebody is getting fired at the end of the year if the Jets have a bad season and Schotty is already gone and Sanchez is guaranteed $10 million+ next year.

[whichfan]

u kno sanchez gets bitches too right?

Yes and Tebow turns "bitches" down and waits for women like Taylor Swift to try and get him.

Get the difference? Let me explain...

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Other than not being total cheap whores, for one thing, they're legal...Tebow helps young girls, he doesn't screw them.

[BrowningNagle]

The last sentence where he brought up the Giants for absolutely no reason at all should be enough to dismiss this article as a joke.

But I do like when he referred to how Sanchez played his best in the pressure cooker and that they are trying to put that pressure on him all season to bring out his abilities.

In Sanchez's career in New York the guy has been handed everything. He's never had to compete for his job like other young QBs. Rookie season vs. Kellen Clemens? Yeah Right.. It's no wonder some of the players have mentioned him being "coddled" I can totally see that.

Also I can see him losing some of his edge, especially over the course of the long season.. in the playoffs or big moments of big games he steps up, but week 6 leading up to a game against a medicore Cincinnati team or something he might relax too much in practice.. Perhaps thats why he has these really poor games against less competition and/or starts slow A LOT.

Having happy-go-lucky Tebow there nipping at his heels every damn second is really going to piss him off. But it could help him keep that edge and remain motivated ALL SEASON LONG. He has to react that way to it.. I think he will, but if he doesn't than I guess he wasn't the right QB to build around anyway. GO JETS

[abyzmul]

So Hobbes, if someone other than Gary Meyers had wrote this story, would they too be douches? Don't hate the messenger Hobbes. Bad form old bean..

Gary Myers is terrible, C. He has been for years.

[Don]

Maybe somebody should start a Tebow board and the mods should ban anything related to Tebow on here...this is getting totally out of control..(getting?, no it has been for awhile)

[Tombs]

Seriously? A backup QB wants to be the starter? Unheard of.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

In Sanchez's career in New York the guy has been handed everything. He's never had to compete for his job like other young QBs. Rookie season vs. Kellen Clemens? Yeah Right.. It's no wonder some of the players have mentioned him being "coddled" I can totally see that.



Eli Manning took Kurt Warner's job without a fight when the Giants were 5-4 and in the thick of the playoff race.

That's a future hall of famer kicked aside in the middle of his career so the wunderkind could start and lose a playoff spot for his team, which Eli did.

Just saying.

[LeonNYJ]

wtf? 1st of all i dunno what u mean by sucking
2nd of all how about having the patience to let mark develop and become the qb that he could be?

Sucks, plays like shit, throws interceptions into linemen's chests, has tunnel vision, etc.


Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and the Jets win he will be the Jets QB
2. If the Jets lose he won't

His play is going to be purely incidental to the the question of whether or not the Jets wind up with him or Tebow at QB. There are jobs on the line above his spot on the Org Chart and if the Jets aren't winning he could be completing 60% of his passes and not turning the ball over a lot and it wouldn't matter, just like it didn't matter for Chad in 2007.

If the Jets talent is better than it was last season there's a good chance Sanchez remains the Jets starting QB. If it is not then Tebow will get his chance because somebody is getting fired at the end of the year if the Jets have a bad season and Schotty is already gone and Sanchez is guaranteed $10 million+ next year.

The Jets defense is good for being top 5 in the league. If Sanchez is completing 60%, there's no way this team loses on a regular basis.

[jets4lyfah]

Yes and Tebow turns "bitches" down and waits for women like Taylor Swift to try and get him.

Get the difference? Let me explain...

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Other than not being total cheap whores, for one thing, they're legal...Tebow helps young girls, he doesn't screw them.

Mark gets fine dime pieces. he's tapped chicks way hotter than taylor swift
mark is hitting this regularly

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[Cman55]

Bingo. None of this matters if Sanchez just does his job. If he doesn't do his job, he SHOULD be replaced. And maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have Tim Tebow out there than DREW STANTON.

The RingMaster fucked that option up royally didn't he? Saved up all this cap space by restructuring guys last year only to not spend it this year on a quality backup Qb who, BTW, was supposed to push Sanchez. I don't know what his plan is but if Tebow was his Plan B, he sure as hell got real lucky as quality guys got snapped up. It didn't have to be Drew Stanton but the RingMaster obviously didn't plan this out well.

[Poeman]

New york papers being New York papers...

Stop reading shit from the Daily News and Post

[whichfan]

Mark gets fine dime pieces. he's hit chicks way hotter than taylor swift, who has the body of a lil boy

mark is hitting this kid

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And of course you would completely miss the point. I know it's hard to imagine, but there ARE things other than looks guys like Tebow look for....

[Br4dw4y5ux]

The Jets defense is good for being top 5 in the league. If Sanchez is completing 60%, there's no way this team loses on a regular basis.

The defense is not even close to that good.

[Hobbes3259]

So Hobbes, if someone other than Gary Meyers had wrote this story, would they too be douches? Don't hate the messenger Hobbes. Bad form old bean..

Bad form, is taking the headline with a grain of salt, because there is not a single sentence in the column that supports it.

I don't hate a messenger. When there is a message, putting that headline on that column, makes him an inveterate liar.

One, It's unsupported, and Two, all Tebow ever says, is 'I'm here to do what the team asks me to do' which also means Meyers is willing to malign (by any reasonable account) a very nice kid, to pimp his own column.

That's the only reasonable message you can get from that column.

[Cman55]

Gary Myers is terrible, C. He has been for years.

No argument here on that Byz, but as they say: even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Every now and then, Myers just might get one right. Time will tell my friend.

[jets4lyfah]

Sucks, plays like shit, throws interceptions into linemen's chests, has tunnel vision, etc.

we gonna pretend sanchez is not starting with a new offensive coordinator?

[GQMartin]

You have to admire the self control this guy has.

Could you imagine the caliber of tail that gets thrown at him on a daily basis? Especially when he was on the campus of Florida? Jeez.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

You have to admire the self control this guy has.

Could you imagine the caliber of tail that gets thrown at him on a daily basis? Especially when he was on the campus of Florida? Jeez.

You assume he likes women.

[LeonNYJ]

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[LeonNYJ]

we gonna pretend sanchez is not starting with a new offensive coordinator?

I'm not saying Sanchez will suck. I'm saying if he sucks, then Tebow should play. Please read.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

we gonna pretend sanchez is not starting with a new offensive coordinator?

WTF does throwing INT's to d-linemen have to do with the offensive coordinator? I hate Schotty but that's ridiculous to blame on him.

[OldTimer]

That was well written Reverse. Just thought I would give you a Thumbs Up.

[SanityRemoved]

I now know what a swarm of locusts is like.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

WTF does throwing INT's to d-linemen have to do with the offensive coordinator? I hate Schotty but that's ridiculous to blame on him.

That stuff happened at the end of the year when Sanchez was hurt and the offensive line was facing it's biggest challenges since Denver (when Sanchez got hurt) and Schotty was no doubt telling Sanchez to just get rid of the damn ball faster because he wasn't going to get 3 seconds back there on his dropbacks.

[flajetfan]

Fact of the matter is:

1. If Sanchez comes out and plays great he will be the Jets QB
2. If Sanchez sucks then Tebow will be the Jets QB

End of story. If Sanchez doesn't step up, with a QB who we can say is almost even with him, and show that he can lead this team and really be a good QB, then he deserves to sit and have Tebow start.

People keep saying people will scream for Tebow. Well if Sanchez sucks, then why not?

this.there is only a qb cotroversy if the qb is sucking.the good part is we will finally know rreal soon if sanchez is what we hope he is

[LongTimeJetsFan]

That stuff happened at the end of the year when Sanchez was hurt and the offensive line was facing it's biggest challenges since Denver (when Sanchez got hurt) and Schotty was no doubt telling Sanchez to just get rid of the damn ball faster because he wasn't going to get 3 seconds back there on his dropbacks.

There's no excuse for those shitty passes to d-linemen.

[Bannon]

i am genuinely curious about tebow's following. it's fascinating.

what makes people gravitate towards him like this? it's definitely not all about football.

is it him being a proud christian? even then, i find it hard to believe that him being a devout believer is enough for all of this.

whatever he's got.. i want it..

.. so i can abuse it. i'd abuse it sooooooo gooooooood.

Good point. Tebow has always moved the needle in a way that can't be explained away by Christianity. He's sort of exciting on the field.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

[kinggofg]

This is not different than most situations in the league.

Not being stupid, honestly want to know. I don't think this is at all similar to any situatuion in the league or even in the history of the NFL.

Seriously, in the history of the NFL has a young healthy starting QB ever taken his team to the playoffs and won a playoff game only to be traded the next year and sit the bench behind a struggling QB who looked like dogshit the year before?

[Br4dw4y5ux]

There's no excuse for those shitty passes to d-linemen.

Sanchez had been hit 101 times going into the Fin game. Many of the hits were of the blindside drop, setup and get obliterated variety. That happens often enough to a young QB and they don't get happy feet they get hilarious knees, feet, arms, etc.

[tzinc]

Tim can't take over for Sanchez. Unless Sanchez sucks and the team is losing OR Sanchez gets hurt.

If Sanchez sucks and the team is losing or if he gets hurt then thank goodness Jets have a QB who can take over who is a proven NFL winner and has a playoff win.
This all depends on Sanchez why would any Jet fan want Sanchez safe in his job and losing... there is no controversy Sanchez just needs to succeed.

The Jets have the talent to win now they are not in rebuild mode.

Sanchez needs to be winning now and if he is not then he needs to let someone else try.
Last year Sanchez didn't have a legit threat to take over for him and look what happened...

[baamf]

If you want the full Tebow package ... well, you have to do what the Broncos did so well last season. Make him the starter, meet him halfway schematically, and see how far you go. Marginalizing Tebow at the Brad Smith level and basically making him the playbook version of a circus freak does the player no good after how he developed in 2011, and it does the player's team no good because the NFL has already sorted that strategy out to a large degree.

The Jets have to go full-bore with Tebow. They can't sit on the fence and expect this to work.

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Only one day in....

[tzinc]

It doesn't make a GM untrustworthy things change teams get offered deals and things change. Is Elway untrustworthy because he signed Manning.

If your team gets a chance at a player IT WAS NOT EXPECTING you have to take it. Too bad if it hurts other players feelings. It happens all the time in the NFL. You sign a guy in FA and then draft a player at his position and the drafted player beats him out for example!

[stinkyB]

Too late. He already got F*cked by John Elway. :ohmy:

[Saint Chez]

And Tim should be after it. That's what a back up qb does- challenges the starter.

[CJLang]

delusional fool

jets players all support mark sanchez, if he tries to take mark's spot there would be a riot in the meadowlands

Serious? All the Jets players support Sanchez? You been living under a rock?

[Jet Blue]

he isn't. he is an upgrade.

If Sanchez goes down, I would gladly win Tebow ugly, but some people seem to prefer to lose with a average to below average pocket passer, and that is what we would do with Stanton, just to spite themselves so they don't have to root for Tebow.


Not a fan of "Winning Ugly"


You think the Colts would be better off right now if they Tebowed a few games last year?

[sanchize]

I hope Tim has a press conference and announces that he and Mark Eiffel Towered some bitch the previous night.

Also, I think Tim is gay. He has that gay lisp to his voice.

[Jet Blue]

I don't have to look for reasons to hate this move because, I HATE THIS MOVE PERIOD. As things unfold, all of you "true fans" will start to see it happen right before your eyes. Sanchez fucks up, Cries for Tebow begins, FO/CS bows to public pressure and Presto! Tim Tebow is now the starting QB.

I refuse to join the "My team do or die" crowd. Been watching this franchise too long for that foolishness. You, otoh are free to do what you wish. Buy the Jersey, tebow on your way to work, whatever.

As has been said by wiser men than me: "And this too, shall pass".


With you 100%...

I'm actually amazed at the amount of support this "Sideshow Tim" Crap is getting at all....


Complete Disaster - IMO, I feel worse today that with Kotite..... At least I knew Kotite wouldn't last - This freak show may actually go on since it has the owners blessing.

[sanchize]

Doug Fucking Gottlieb is a giant douche and I do not like him yet he is making more sense than some NFL experts. He said something along the lines of 'this wont make fans boo Sanchez more, they already boo Sanchez. He already has enough pressure on him, adding Tebow is not going to make it any worse. If Tim Tebow was a legitimate starting option for the Jets, another team would have given up more than a 4th round draft pick to get him.'

Mangini also saying that the backup quarterback is the most popular player on the team and says its the reality of being in New York. Talked about Kellen Clemens and Chad Pennington controversy.

[jets4lyfah]

Serious? All the Jets players support Sanchez? You been living under a rock?


there are jets fans then there are fools, those that hate on sanchez are the latter

[ace_o_spades]

Im assuming Manish Mehta wrote this? The guy loves his anonymous sources and executives.

[CowboysFan]

Tebow would have beat out Gabbert with a blind fold on. As already reported Gene Smith the GM of the Jaguars told him he would be third string and expected to be on special teams .

Rex told him I want you to run over people when your in the game and you will have designed plays every game.

It has nothing to do with him thinking he can beat out Sanchez , because Gabbert is a freaking joke and Chad Henne choked his way out of being a starter. If the coaches wanted him he would go to Jaguars as its his home town.

Gene Smith had an agenda, he staked on Gabbert being the guy and spent a top ten pick on him , he can't have him fail because if Gabbert fails he fails.

Tebow is not he QB of the Jaguars because Gene smith would look foolish with the Gabbert pick

[whichfan]

When you agree to support Tebow, do they give you a script to repeat? So many Tebow fans say the same thing, practically word for word.

Nobody disagrees he did well in college. He's not playing in college anymore. The NFL is different. That's why a lot of great collegiate QBs don't play well in the NFL. They aren't comparable because the quality of players is higher (think about all the collegiate players who never get drafted, even from winning teams) and its more pass oriented. It's like saying you were valedictorian in high school so you must be the smartest kid at Harvard. There are lots of valedictorians there. Not everybody rises to the top.

I'm not going to challenge your thoughts about him as an NFL player. I'm not going to change your opinion nor are you going to change mine. However, there is definitely more to his popularity than his skills. He definitely has a cult of personality around him that the media loves. It's fueled by that nonsense he does on the field.

There's also a huge following based on religious grounds. If you look at news sites, even very prominent ones like CNN, there were stories yesterday about how the churches in Denver were bemoaning his loss and how it was a particular loss to them. Not Denver or the Broncos. To the church and its patrons. He has become a hero to some Christians over his overt expressions of his faith. He has become an unstoppable sword of Christianity on the football field. Criticizing his playing has become synonymous with criticizing his faith. It has nothing to do with his acumen as a player. Living in Texas, there are a lot of evangelical Christians around here and they are lockstep Tebow supporters. Even people who don't watch football and don't know if he is a good player support him fanatically. I once told some people -- friends of my wife -- who attend an evangelical church that I did not think he was a great player. One guy asked, "is it because of his religion?" I don't know how he got a religious attack out of attacking his playing ability otherwise.

I'm not saying you are that kind of fan -- I don't know -- but there's a lot of fans like that.

Tebow critics say the same crap too. I hate to go off on a rant but it's the same stupid, misinformed, incorrect things you hear in the media. All while discounting what he just did IN THE NFL.

His faith is not what primarily made him famous. It was winning. At every level. High school, championships in college, Heisman, 4th quarter comebacks, turning a 1-4 team into a playoff contender, Playoffs wins in the NFL by way of passing from a guy who can't pass against one of the best passing defenses in the NFL...etc...etc

Tebowmania would not exist if he didn't win big in football. There are plenty of faithful, religious, men in the world. None of them were as dominant or as successful while being completely unconventional as Tebow was and will continue to be in football. Winning NFL games by way of 4th quarter comebacks consecutively will make the news in the NFL. When a guy who's constantly being criticized as a quarterback does it, it makes even bigger news. When that constantly criticized guy is Tim Tebow, it dominates the news.

But make no mistake. It all starts with winning. Religious nuts may cling to Tebow's religion, but that's not what Tebow is to football fans. I like Tebow because he's a damn good football player and QB, who's being given very little credit for his skills as a quarterback, and yes he has plenty of them. He has a non-conventional approach to the QB position, but it IS an effective, and winning approach. And yes, at the NFL level. As he just proved a few months ago.

The current football stats being used sometimes fail to measure Tim Tebow's abilities as a quarterback because of the way they are designed and because of the manner in which he wins(conservative passer, low % high reward passes, combined with his rushing abilities which are completely left out in QB stats). Because of this, his "football perception" is completely skewed. So skewed in fact that when the guy puts up 5 games with quarterbacks rating over 90.0 as an NFL PASSER, people like you completely overlook them and cast them away. He IS an NFL caliber passer if you would just open your eyes and watch. All the other nonsense being thrown around keep a lot of people who bought into "Tebow can't pass" from accepting the truth which is..."oh wait....he can pass!"

But what happens is.....when Tebow puts up a QB passer rating of 149.0 against Minnesota, or 125.0 QB rating against the Steelers in the playoffs, or leads the league as the #1 QB in the league in air yards per attempt haters can't possibly accept it as Tebow putting together a great passing performance, and him proving he can pass and improving his game as a passer just like ANY OTHER freaking QB....they have to find some OTHER retarded explanation for it like : luck, God, defenses breaking down, fluke....

In reality that was just Tebow passing in the NFL and not having to rely in his legs to win that football game. So what happens is, blind morons continue to toot the "Tebow can't pass" crap...and since Tebow CAN in fact freaking pass, he does it, inconsistently, which just keeps the whole charade going. People get "shocked" when he does it, when those of us that are more informed with the MULTIPLE approached to playing QB, knew it all along. It will go away when the rest of the world catches up to the fact they have been lied to by the media and a bunch of other people, that Tebow isn't a bad passer. He is in fact a pretty good passer with an unconventional approach. But in the mean time, while this is still going on, Tebowmania will continue to thrive.

And just so you know, before Tebow, there was another guy that won in a similar manner. His name is Terry Bradshaw, 4 time Super Bowl Champion with a career 51.9 completion percentage. He also averaged LESS than 25 passing attempts per game. Except he didn't run the TD's in himself, he handed over the ball to his running backs, while being very conservative with his passing, and limited turnovers the best he could. Tebow simply runs him in himself sometimes, but it's hardly any different.

This is nothing new. When you chose to limit throwing interceptions, and limit turnovers, and score more TD's whether by way of passing or rushing, than you turnover the ball....you win in football. Pretty normal stuff. Standard NFL QB 101. Of course he's going to be successful in the NFL because he can move the ball while not turning it over. Which is the #1 primary goal for a QB. It's that freaking simple. The ultimate goal of a QB isn't to complete a pass, or a million passes, it's to score a TD without turning over the ball.

There's another very clear example of how football stats FAIL to measure things. It's common. See the New England Patriots defense last year. NOBODY looks at actual TOTAL defense efficiency, which they ended up #2 in the league last year. Everybody looks at total defense, which measures yards....it's so freaking wrong it's retarded. So when the Pats defense performs like it did against the Ravens, or against the Giants in the Super Bowl, everyone is "shocked". In reality they don't understand Bill Belichick's strategy, a guy who knows a whole hell of a lot more than they do about football and defenses, and knew the ENTIRE season he had a good defense. Because everyone, including football "experts" or those who THINK they know football, believe they have one of the worst defenses in the NFL because that's what that "total defense" stat says. Well you know what, the stat is wrong! Plain and simple. That's what people don't get. It's a BAD measurement for the Pats defense. Nobody asks themselves....wait how can a team OUTSCORE their opponents by 171 points if their defense sucks? Doesn't a defense have to stop the opponent in order for an offense to outscore the opponent? Well yes, but people are freaking retarded and can't follow that simple logic because they are stuck staring at a statistics labeled incorrectly as "total defense" that measures yards, and give it more credit, instead of the points category(which happen to be more important). So instead they come up with retarded phrases which becomes media truth like "the offense is carrying the team". Yes.....the offense somehow STOPPED the other opponent too! Or maybe Brady is so fearsome the other team's offense just decided to stop playing and hand over the ball. It's retarded but people swear by these traditional stats that never actually measured things correctly in the first place.

That's also what they don't get about Tebow. Nobody stops and asks, how can Tebow put up 5 perfomances as an NFL QB with passer ratings over 90.0, if he can't pass? How can he turn around a 1-4 team and win playoff games, if he can't win in the NFL? Obviously, he can pass and he can win, but there's something else going on but people never take the time to look into what exactly it is he's doing as a QB. Those are the type of things that cause controversy.

[JetsVilma28]

Competition breeds excellence. This is so good for the team and Sanchez.

I really see two offense. The gator or "jesuscat" and Ground 'n pound, greene machine, play-action Sanchez to Santonio **fart**

[JetBlue]

Not a fan of "Winning Ugly"


You think the Colts would be better off right now if they Tebowed a few games last year?

If your argument is based on being the worst team in the league if Tebow plays you have a dumb fuck argument to begin with.

[JetBlue]

It doesn't make a GM untrustworthy things change teams get offered deals and things change. Is Elway untrustworthy because he signed Manning.

If your team gets a chance at a player IT WAS NOT EXPECTING you have to take it. Too bad if it hurts other players feelings. It happens all the time in the NFL. You sign a guy in FA and then draft a player at his position and the drafted player beats him out for example!

Only a fucking idiot didn't see Tebow becoming available as a realistic possibility. please explain how Denver pursuing Manning for weeks prior to him signing made Tebow's availability unexpected?

it wasn't unexpected. only bad decision makers don't consider all the possibilities before making a final decision and Tebow certainly was a realistic possibility. If you were completely shocked that he was traded despite all signs leading to that possibility, well that doesn't speak highly of you. I suppose Manning being released by the Colts was also unexpected to you.

[Barry the Baptist]

I have had a few days to digest this move and after thinking about it I do think it has a chance to be a good move for the Jets. I have never been a Tebow fan, not gonna lie. He can't play QB and no matter how much his supporters tell us he led the Broncos to the playoffs there ultimately was a long list of luck that happened along the way. Sorry you can't create luck, it just happens and there is no explanation as to why but the Broncos were not the 1st team to start out miserable in a bad division and end up making the playoffs. Did Tebow have a say in how things went? Absolutely but the idea of him receiving all the credit is blashphemous. That being said this isn't about the past, it's about the future and his future with the Jets.

My initial thought on the move was one of desperation, I don't think that anymore. A desperation move is going after a guy coming off 4 neck surgeries in the last year and handing him 30+ million gauranteed. I don't care what his doctors say but I wouldn't have put all my faith in that move. On the outside it appears that the Jets did make a desperation move but I think it's a football move. It's a move that will either end one of two ways, the Jets pulling the wool over everybody else's eyes or the end of the Ryan/Tannenbaum era in NY. I'm going with the former.

Among other things the Jets lacked last year on offense was creativity, they were boring, predictable and oh yeah.... they sucked. Now Wayne Hunter took a lot of heat for that but let's look at another guy who didn't take any. Our runningback , yes Greene was a guy a lot of people felt could take us to the next level after his awesome playoff run a few years ago. Truth is he can't handle the load by himself and LT is too far past his prime to make a huge difference but if you look at Greene where was he most effective last season? When he got outside, he had some good runs between the tackles but most of his success came when he could get outside, the same with LT. Tebow will give this team the ability to get Greene outside and whoever else they elect to throw back there. I'm not so sure that right now Tebow isn't the best RB on the roster.

At the end of last season Rex stated he wanted to get back to his philosophy on both offense and defense. In order for that to be successful they need to control the ball and the clock. Having Tebow could give the Jets that edge they want. If you look at how the Broncos won games last year it was with Tebow running the ball. Look how he beat us, Smith was destroyed but he was running the ball with success. He also made some good throws at key points in the game. Look at the throw he beat the Steelers with, yeah it was busted coverage but Thomas caught that ball in stride and took it to the house. Sporano isn't going to be using Tebow in shotgun sets asking him to win the game with his arm. Essentially what the Jets are going to try and do with Tebow is reinvent the wheel. The Pats, Colts and Saints have attempted to win games with all offense and no defense which works in the regular season but not in the playoffs which explains why between the 3 they've won 2 SB's since spygate. Yes they're great in the regular season but the Giants and Steelers have shown you win in the playoffs by having a good offense but a better defense. I do believe a big part of the Jets struggles on defense last year were a direct result of the offense being awful. Yes the defense had some letdowns in big spots last year but we had been so good on defense the previous two years that as fans we were expecting the D to be perfect which isn't possible. If the offense is able to control the clock then the D will be much improved.

Ultimately what this will come down to is how much control Rex really has of this team, there is going to be intense pressure from Tebow supporters to play him. Rex is going to need to do what the Broncos couldn't do and stand up to the Tebow supporters and play the guy that is the best QB on the roster and the one that gives the team the best chance to win the SB whether it is Mark, Tebow or Stanton. I still think that guy is Sanchez. That being said they can't be concerned with feelings, sorry this is football not the cub scouts. If Tebow gives them the best chance to win then he needs to play. At this point there is no QB controversy, only one created by the media and non Jet fans.

I believe the coaching staff when they say how they are going to utilize Tebow. If the Jets were concerned with bringing a starting QB they would have gone after one not a gimmick. Rex needed to see something in Tebow to sign off on this move. He and Sporano must have a game plan. If you know anything about Rex it's that he wants to win badly, his dad never won a SB as a head coach and his brother may never get a shot as a head coach so Ryan is carrying that. He isn't going to jeopardize that by making a move like this if he didn't think it will work. This is a move that is made to beat the Patriots, with an offense like they have you have to control the ball and clock, if the Jets can do that Brady sees the field much less and has less of a chance to wear down the defense. On the flip side I do think a big part of the Broncos 4th quarter success last year was that opposing D's were worn down. If you keep them on the field you wear them down. Simple.

Yes I'm sure there was some PR involved here, the Jets caught a ton of bad PR towards the end of the season and we needed to fix that. Not that I think Rex cared about that but that Woody does. Many people see this as a move that divides the lockerroom. I don't, I think Tebow has a unifying personality and will help mend the issues in the lockerroom. I don't see an issue with half the team in favor of one guy and half the team in favor of the other. Mark is our guy and Tebow is just being brought in as a weapn to help Mark and the offense.

[VanderbiltJets]

Stupid Timmy, the starting job's for Mark

[Big Blocker]

Doug Fucking Gottlieb is a giant douche and I do not like him yet he is making more sense than some NFL experts. He said something along the lines of 'this wont make fans boo Sanchez more, they already boo Sanchez. He already has enough pressure on him, adding Tebow is not going to make it any worse. If Tim Tebow was a legitimate starting option for the Jets, another team would have given up more than a 4th round draft pick to get him.'



I agree with the point about why no one else offered more to get Tebow. Kind of obvious, isn't it? Of course you have to wonder how much Mark Sanchez would draw in an offer now, too, especially after that ridiculous contract extension.

Anyway, and I bet here the Sanchez Fans will agree with me (which you can be sure has already given me pause, but so be it). Yes, Sanchez has already gotten booed, but that's when he screws up. Tebow Fans will be yelling for Tebow, perhaps not in the first game, but certainly after an early season loss, even before Sanchez screws up.

Anyone who doesn't think that will have it's effect is not living in the real world.

[Nilton]

I don't know what to say. Could be false..but I doubt it. And I already see the tebow chants despite most of the fan base hating him because he beat us last year. Sanchez better take this shit head on and play well.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Why is this an issue? Did you expect Tebow to say anything else? I would be concerned if he DID say he was content being the back-up. You guys are finding any little reason you can to hate this move. If that's your agenda..than so be it. But c'mon..why is everyone so afraid of their being alittle competition at the QB position? If Sanchez can't handle it..then he shouldn't be the starting QB of this team anyway.

As for "tebow-mania"...if it only continues to be an issue, if he continues to be successful. If he flames out and quietly maintains a back-up/formation specific role..then the craze dies. What am I missing here other than a bunch of bi-polar cry babies who are buying into the controversy that the media WANTS to create?

[CJLang]

there are jets fans then there are fools, those that hate on sanchez are the latter

I'm not talking about Jets fans hating on Sanchez, I'm talking about his teammates.

[gsulli5861]

It's a non-story by the dope's at the Daily News. Of course Tebow is going to try to be the starting QB. We know he's a great competitor but I believe Sanchez will respond. Meta and Myers are dopes and always will be, they offer nothing.

[benhamean]

delusional fool

jets players all support mark sanchez, if he tries to take mark's spot there would be a riot in the meadowlands

there are jets fans then there are fools, those that hate on sanchez are the latter

'Captain' Santonio Holmes disagrees with you, and will be one of the first ones stirring up shit early if Sanchez doesn't come out like a Hall Of Famer...

[Br4dw4y5ux]

I agree with the point about why no one else offered more to get Tebow. Kind of obvious, isn't it? Of course you have to wonder how much Mark Sanchez would draw in an offer now, too, especially after that ridiculous contract extension.

Anyway, and I bet here the Sanchez Fans will agree with me (which you can be sure has already given me pause, but so be it). Yes, Sanchez has already gotten booed, but that's when he screws up. Tebow Fans will be yelling for Tebow, perhaps not in the first game, but certainly after an early season loss, even before Sanchez screws up.

Anyone who doesn't think that will have it's effect is not living in the real world.

Sanchez is untradeable at the moment due to dead money hitting the cap. He'll be on the borderline next year where if the Jets must move him they could probably just cut somebody big and make the trade. After 2013 he's only tradeable as a starting QB because he has base salaries above $9 million each year plus workout bonuses.

[nyjets21]

Tebow might be a better fit to our new offense but Sanchez will get the nod because of his arm

[DemoIsland]

Didn't want to start a new thread with all the Tebow talk going on. The JETS have officially made a mockery out of this trade and this franchise. They are now planning to have a press conference for a guy they named their BACK UP QB. Unacceptable. Everything they said is now being contradicted by holding this press conference to introduce Tim Tebow. Absolute joke.

[AirStrike]

delusional fool

jets players all support mark sanchez, if he tries to take mark's spot there would be a riot in the meadowlands

Who gives a damn if the Jets players support Sanchez? If he plays like he did last year each and every player will be calling for Tebow. As will the fans.

[ace_o_spades]

Maybe the Jax gm didn't want to insult the guys on the team already?