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[CowboysFan]

Tebow will eventually lead this leader-less, dysfunctional, underachieving, joke of a "team" to the Super Bowl in the next 3 years.

[B]Unlike so many Jets players, he won't be a cancer on the team. Quite the opposite. After he displaces Sanchez and becomes the starting QB, he will pull this circus of a "team" together and prove to all his haters once again, that he is a natural-born winner and leader.

Jets just got the bargain of the decade: a true franchise QB with a 4th round pick, lol!

No tebow fan would come on the boards of his new team and attack the team this way. It would go against everything Tebow stands for anyway. You are obviously a troll from another team trying to upset Jets fans and get everyone fighting with each other .

Your IP address should be banned. In fact mods should be alerted of this and any fan that blast the Jets and praises Tebow (one day after he is signed) is not a Tebow fan

[Don]

I just heard that Tebow is insisting he is a QB and doesnt want to run the wildcat. If that's the case you can trade or cut his ass right now. If he doesnt do what the team wants him to do, he's not a team player, plain and simple...

And where did you hear that? On his two conference calls last night he said he didn't care what he did and only wanted to help the team.

[jack handy]

All the people in here that are hating on this deal are further proof as to why they aren't employed by an NFL team.

This move wasn't so much as to hope Tebow plays QB for us, but to light a fire under Sanchez' ass. You're gonna tell Sanchez he's getting benched for 0-16 Drew Stanton or Mark Brunell? He's gonna look you in the eyes and laugh at you.

You tell him he's about to get benched for Tebow, if that doesn't fire him up he doesn't deserve to be in the league.

Like the master plan. To motivate a 4th year QB

1) Guarantee his salary for 2 years to make him feel comfortable.
2) Sign Stanton who is not really a threat but better what was the competition so he starts to get a little scared.
3) Drop the motivational bomb by trading 2 picks for a high profile QB. But be crafty and get one that cannot throw so the hurdle s not high.

[xxedge72x]

And where did you hear that? On his two conference calls last night he said he didn't care what he did and only wanted to help the team.

Either Incarcerated Bob or the National Enquirer.

[JetsVilma28]

It's gonna get hectic. But it ,ain't gonna change us. We are Jets fans. I remember I was a little kid, everyone Giants fans. Watching them, they would boo if they did not get first down. So I turn on Jets, and cheers for any halfway decent play.

Couldn't even get tickets for Giants game, but Jets, hell, just walk right up. For the Jets, you didn't come out trashed, you went in that way. I never saw Namath, I wasn't born yet, no winning for me. But I sat through so many shitty years, only to them see them get good... and for all the yuppie aholes to buy up all the tickets an wear Shrek masks. Shrek masks!!!!! I mean come on .....I shit you not. I almost walked away.

This Tebow thing just doesn't bother me. Because people freaking hate him. Don't lie to yourself, everyone hates him to death. They really hate his ass and every announcer hates him and says he sucks. Well that is a Jet. The mofo is home.

We just have to deal with the new fans. But I for one am excited. A fullback sized QB who everyone hates and runs it in your face. Bring on the hate, I'm used to it. I don't care if Sanchez's tampon gets real wet. This team was already disgraced by yuppy fans with their shrek masks, they never went away. There's no going back. So let us do this ruff style, boring in your face 1950's football and a big piss off from NY's bastard son. No flashy anything, prepare to get bruised. Tebow talks about the Lord, but he also says my Lord is a God of War. Let it be. Rex make a great D, O shoves it in your face. New fans, welcome to the thunderdom. We ain't you grandmother's team, and we never will be.

I liked Sanchez, but enough, I'd like a switch. From day one, I want smash mouth every down. I want a nasty team back. Not a bunch of whiners. To hell with Holmes and LT talkin all day in the media. Big ass whine fest. We can get a superbowl like this, no it wont be pretty, but good enough. And it could actually be a man's team again.


This might be the best post I have ever read here. :up:

"we ain't your grandmothers team, and we never will be."

I long for smash mouth football. Please put the pussy wide receivers and quarterbacks on a bus to new England or Miami or Disney world. I don't think Sanchez is a pussy and I think he will be fine. He has actually taking a lot of shots and gotten back up, Pittsburgh playoffs. Holmes can leave whenever he wants. He would make an awesome captain somewhere else. Can't have a guy on the team that takes off plays, throws other teammates under the bus and then flat out quits. I don't want or need that captain. Give me a tebow anyday of the week and at least we will win or lose, but it will all be left on the field.

Ground 'N Pound!

[LongTimeJetsFan]

No tebow fan would come on the boards of his new team and attack the fans and the team. It would go against everything Tebow stands for anyway. You are obviously a troll from another team trying to upset Jets fans and get everyone fighting with each other .

Your IP address should be banned. In fact mods should be alerted of this and any fan that blast the Jets and praises Tebow is not a Tebow fan

How the hell is he attacking fans? If you have a problem with a post, report it. Posts like this aren't acceptable.

[Jake]

I hate the Tebow Trolls. Die.

[44 and counting]

Has anyone really followed Tebow's career. He's a winner. He beats the odds. He's actually a Belichek type player. He will do what it takes to succeed.
If the down-side to his being here is that Sanchez crumbles under pressure, or guys like Cromartie don't like him, then its good the Jets find this out. Cromartie should walk with two feet in one shoe. He can be cut after 2012 at a big cap savings!

[Big Blocker]

Wow. Tebow Fans have their own set of rules. I had no idea.

[CJLang]

ignore it, its probably a Patriots fan yanking your chain. Don't feed the troll and don't start disliking Tebow for what a Patriots fan (or other team that hates the jets) is saying

Spoken like a true Tebow-holic

[Jake]

You think this team was a circus before? Just wait. Even if the team is 10-1 with Sanchez playing solid all you'll be hearing about is how Teblows presence is the reason. *puke*

Hate this transaction.

[Don]

You think this team was a circus before? Just wait. Even if the team is 10-1 with Sanchez playing solid all you'll be hearing about is how Teblows presence is the reason. *puke*

Hate this transaction.

Do you realize how ridiculous that is for a Jet fan to say? If it was last year all you would hear is how the defense is the reason and other years it wpould be something else..so what? Who cares why we would be 10-1, everybody will have their opinion anyway.

[tdorland]

This might be the best post I have ever read here. :up:

"we ain't your grandmothers team, and we never will be."

I long for smash mouth football. Please put the pussy wide receivers and quarterbacks on a bus to new England or Miami or Disney world. I don't think Sanchez is a pussy and I think he will be fine. He has actually taking a lot of shots and gotten back up, Pittsburgh playoffs. Holmes can leave whenever he wants. He would make an awesome captain somewhere else. Can't have a guy on the team that takes off plays, throws other teammates under the bus and then flat out quits. I don't want or need that captain. Give me a tebow anyday of the week and at least we will win or lose, but it will all be left on the field.

Ground 'N Pound!


Especially because the league is legislating pass happy offences. Let's try to buck the trend, go against what works and wins and is proven to run a gimmick with a QB who can't throw (one who can't throw even worse than our current starting qb.)

Goddamn this trade.

[LAJet]

Besides the fact that he is a Jet there is nothing good about this circus. He should be treated like any other Jet, period. Don't blame Tebow, in fact I highly respect him as a person, but this move highlights how football clueless our leadership is.

Having said that, loyalty to our QB remains with Sanchez period, let those who boo and scream for a change after the first interception be remained of that.

Championship teams are not built around tandem QBs, over the hill acquisitions and gimmick plays. We never seem to get that message

[Jake]

Has anyone really followed Tebow's career. He's a winner. He beats the odds. He's actually a Belichek type player. He will do what it takes to succeed.
If the down-side to his being here is that Sanchez crumbles under pressure, or guys like Cromartie don't like him, then its good the Jets find this out. Cromartie should walk with two feet in one shoe. He can be cut after 2012 at a big cap savings!

I keep hearing this. He has zero Super Bowls. He's no more of a winner than Sanchez and the rest of the kliq.

[Rawrk]

You think this team was a circus before? Just wait. Even if the team is 10-1 with Sanchez playing solid all you'll be hearing about is how Teblows presence is the reason. *puke*

Hate this transaction.

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that's very strong determination to hate tebow.

[milo]

Tebow will eventually lead this leader-less, dysfunctional, underachieving, joke of a "team" to the Super Bowl in the next 3 years.

Unlike so many Jets players, he won't be a cancer on the team. Quite the opposite. After he displaces Sanchez and becomes the starting QB, he will pull this circus of a "team" together and prove to all his haters once again, that he is a natural-born winner and leader.

Jets just got the bargain of the decade: a true franchise QB with a 4th round pick, lol!

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[Jake]

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that's very strong determination to hate tebow.

I'm obviously exaggerating. I can see it now though, the whole team is playing solid and all well be hearing about is shitsnap and how he brought the team closer together.

Just so were clear I would love a 10-1 start. lol

[laxin]

The Dolphins are trying to trade Reggie Bush now... watch Tanny try and trade for him too because he played for Sparano.

[laxin]

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Wow. That is great HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[LeroyJetson]

\what if the jets were to use #15 in the way that bellidick started using hernandez towards the end of last year? the scary moving hybrid hb/te that sometimes sets up next to or behind sanchez?

we know that rex and bill have a lot of respect for each other and spend a ton of time on each other's tape\

[jhildebrand]

Look I guess I can see the good intentions you bring. Call me a classic Tebow hater. Couldn't stand him at Florida, his speech, his hype, his Bronco career, etc. And now he's a Jet?? Doomsday.

And i'd say Jake The Snake getting you to within a game of the Superbowl was more exciting than a few fluke wins, 50% completions, 110 yards, and 50 minutes of shit football.

My potential Top 5 bust comment was in reference to Sanchez...But as in being picked 5th. Not of all time.

I obviously misinterpreted your bust comment. My bad. I get the Tebow hate. Believe me I do. I was once just like you! LOL.

I guess all I can say is keep an open mind. Bill Williamson on ESPN today wrote: "The Jets just turned Mark Sanchez into Kyle Orton." Either he will get better or he wont. Either way the Jets benefit. As for Tebow's throwing. It isn't as bad as it has been made out to be. Go and look at the Houston game where he led the Broncos back from 17 down at half. Look at the MN and CHI games. Look at the OT pass against the Squeelers in the PO's. The kid can make the throws.

Tebow can throw all day against the zone. He needs work against man and he needs someone to leave his mechanics alone. The work he needs is his footwork!

[BrowningNagle]

The Tebowers are ridiculous... for sure and will probably be annoying for the whole season. But alot of you people that are all angry and stuff are killing me almost as bad.

The only beef I can possibly be see anyone having is if they have a problem with giving up a fourth round pick.. But nobody has a problem with that because hell the Jets got a freakin bargain by those standards.

No you people are hating it because of Mark Sanchez.. give me a break. Unless you are Mark Sanchez's loved one or have some personal connection to the man why should you give a shit?? Being all butt-hurt for Sanchez is pathetic, I'm willing to bet he's feeling better about it than some of you which says alot.

I actually like Mark Sanchez as the Jets QB.. But I like the NEW YORK JETS football team above all, above Rex Ryan, above anyone.. these players and coaches will come and go and I will still be a fan of the Jets. So frankly I just want the team to make acquisitions that make the team BETTER. I am just a fan so I dont give a shit about the salary cap, a players' personal feeling, locker room drama etc... etc.. I just want the product on the field to be better.. If the Jets can pick up 6 QBs that are all good and let them duel it out, for fucks sakes do it.. the best player is the QB that will play and I dont care about his name, background, whether hes new or old or anything...

Bottom line is the New York Jets got a TALENT upgrade to their football team last night for a 4th round pick.. Awesome! I'm psyched. Go Tebow, Go Sanchez. Go JETS. I hope the Jets Offense leads the league this year and I dont give a fuck who's taking the snaps.

[HOI]

A lot of the Tebow hate IMO comes from what he represents rather than who he is as a football player. Jets fans complaining about him bringing the circus to town must have not been around the last 3 years. Rex brought the circus to town...when you come to NY and start talking SB in your first press conference...when you talk shit to Billy Boy...when you go a MMA event and give a Fins fan the finger...that shit brings the circus.

Everyone LOVED the circus when we went to back to back AFCCGs...fucking LOVED IT!! Now youre pissed cause Tebow is here...? Now we dont want attention?? All of the sudden its "hey were just another team trying to do our thing...we dont need this hype"...I call horseshit.

And the stuff about Sanchezs fragile mental state...are you shitting me? Do you think anyone ever wondered about Terry Bradshaws emotions? If Jim Kelly felt unloved? If Steve Young felt..."not so fresh"? Its not a knitting circle...hes the STARTING QB of a NY football team. If we really have to worry this much about hurting his feelings than maybe this team and city arent the right place for him.

Tebow is here...love him or hate him...thats how it is. So root for the guy...dont turn your shit feelings about the organization or management on to this kid. I hope he plays and plays well.

[milo]

First of many "yeah that actually happened" moments:

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Embrace the madness...

[Poeman]

Cant wait to see Jon Gruden go on his "This Guy can play for the Jets..." analysis on ESPN this season

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[LongTimeJetsFan]

The Dolphins are trying to trade Reggie Bush now... watch Tanny try and trade for him too because he played for Sparano.

We should offer them Jesus and $5 million.

[Burnz]

As far as our defense being put in bad situations teebow always can keep a drive alive which is something i like

[dmarz45]

The Dolphins are trying to trade Reggie Bush now... watch Tanny try and trade for him too because he played for Sparano.

Bush would be a good fit for the Jets actually... He wouldnt be the #1 guy and would be mostly a pass catching LT type guy, which is the perfect role for him... and hes EXTREMELY fast, which is something we've needed desperately since Leon left. I would give up a 3rd for Bush at the most. we'll be getting those comp. picks so they will help a little.

[Jetaho]

Bush would be a good fit for the Jets actually... He wouldnt be the #1 guy and would be mostly a pass catching LT type guy, which is the perfect role for him... and hes EXTREMELY fast, which is something we've needed desperately since Leon left. I would give up a 3rd for Bush at the most. we'll be getting those comp. picks so they will help a little.

I am all for that trade! He's a perfect fit.

[Brian McFan]

A lot of the Tebow hate IMO comes from what he represents rather than who he is as a football player. Jets fans complaining about him bringing the circus to town must have not been around the last 3 years. Rex brought the circus to town...when you come to NY and start talking SB in your first press conference...when you talk shit to Billy Boy...when you go a MMA event and give a Fins fan the finger...that shit brings the circus.

Everyone LOVED the circus when we went to back to back AFCCGs...fucking LOVED IT!! Now youre pissed cause Tebow is here...? Now we dont want attention?? All of the sudden its "hey were just another team trying to do our thing...we dont need this hype"...I call horseshit.

And the stuff about Sanchezs fragile mental state...are you shitting me? Do you think anyone ever wondered about Terry Bradshaws emotions? If Jim Kelly felt unloved? If Steve Young felt..."not so fresh"? Its not a knitting circle...hes the STARTING QB of a NY football team. If we really have to worry this much about hurting his feelings than maybe this team and city arent the right place for him.

Tebow is here...love him or hate him...thats how it is. So root for the guy...dont turn your shit feelings about the organization or management on to this kid. I hope he plays and plays well.

Thanks to some weak minded posters that write over here, I thought this board had way too many sub-par posters. This is well written. Congrats.

[MexicanJet]

I will support anyone who puts on a Jets uniform. I put this team above any player we could get. I didn't want Plax, but I gave him a chance. Everyone deserves a chance.

[Rawrk]

A lot of the Tebow hate IMO comes from what he represents rather than who he is as a football player. Jets fans complaining about him bringing the circus to town must have not been around the last 3 years. Rex brought the circus to town...when you come to NY and start talking SB in your first press conference...when you talk shit to Billy Boy...when you go a MMA event and give a Fins fan the finger...that shit brings the circus.

Everyone LOVED the circus when we went to back to back AFCCGs...fucking LOVED IT!! Now youre pissed cause Tebow is here...? Now we dont want attention?? All of the sudden its "hey were just another team trying to do our thing...we dont need this hype"...I call horseshit.

And the stuff about Sanchezs fragile mental state...are you shitting me? Do you think anyone ever wondered about Terry Bradshaws emotions? If Jim Kelly felt unloved? If Steve Young felt..."not so fresh"? Its not a knitting circle...hes the STARTING QB of a NY football team. If we really have to worry this much about hurting his feelings than maybe this team and city arent the right place for him.

Tebow is here...love him or hate him...thats how it is. So root for the guy...dont turn your shit feelings about the organization or management on to this kid. I hope he plays and plays well.

spot motherfucking onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Franchize]

The Dolphins are trying to trade Reggie Bush now... watch Tanny try and trade for him too because he played for Sparano.

I'd honestly rather him than Tebow. I think he could be a good 3rd down back for us.

[Jetaho]

I am all for that trade! He's a perfect fit.

Dumb idea. We can't afford Bush and we already have McKnight. Give him a chance. I like being bipolar.

[JetsVilma28]

Especially because the league is legislating pass happy offences. Let's try to buck the trend, go against what works and wins and is proven to run a gimmick with a QB who can't throw (one who can't throw even worse than our current starting qb.)

Goddamn this trade.

I know what I'm getting out of tebow. Leadership traits uncommon in the NFL and the New York Jets. I never liked the kid and was always a hater just like you. My eyes are open and I see a man that will lead my favorite sports team. I see dedication, judgment, justice, loyalty initiative, dependability, tact, integrity, enthusiasm, bearing, unselfishness, courage and more.

I am all for ground 'n pound. I hope we run the football 90% of the time and hit the home run play action. I love physical fucking knock you in the mout football. I cannot stand the trying to be west coast team that we are not. Holmes is the biggest fucking pussy we have ever had on our team. I can't wait until that fake captain walks like he did against Miami. Maybe, holmes play will turn around along with some of the other Jets who punched out early last season. I don't want to root for posers.

Ground 'n pound!

[steves850]

I am all for that trade! He's a perfect fit.

Dumb idea. We can't afford Bush and we already have McKnight. Give him a chance. I like being bipolar.

You both make a good point.

[reverseapachemaster]

A lot of the Tebow hate IMO comes from what he represents rather than who he is as a football player.

I guess it depends on what you think he represents. If you're pointing to the religious issue, I'll point back that a lot of the Tebow love comes from the same place. If you think he represents a cult of personality descending onto a team already full of divisiveness and an excess of the wrong kind of attention, then I would say the hate comes from that as well as his lackluster skills in the NFL.

[TebowTrollCoach]

Tebow troll here...

Sorry for the intrusion..I promise to make it brief.. I think.



I am not going to tell you that I was a fan of the Colts when I was eight years old because of their uniforms, I was a fan of the Colts because of Johnny Unitas.. I was torn between him and Bart Starr..and also, between Mickey Mantle and Roger, but I never did keep up with the team they were on...

So if an apology is needed in order to be a fan of your new guy, I am sorry..

I am not going to try to tell you I am a Jets fan as yet, because the last thing I remember saying about your coach and QB was something like "take that you sorry fat ass sumbitch" or something like that..

Oh, I can really appreciate your allowing regular language on here, I have a preacher daughter *or two* and a preacher son in law...but they know how I am..so this potential Jet fan is appreciative of the cuss friendly atmosphere !

I sure hope this trade works out for the Jets, as then it will mean one of my favorite football players might get on the field.

I feel for you guys just wanting to field a good team... I know from your posts, some of you realize this kid has something.

I watched him win 22 games in a row with his arm, mostly, but he had Arron Hernandez, Reilly Cooper, Percy Harvin, David Nelson, and a few other choice targets.

If he converts to anything else is fine with me, because I just like to watch him, and players like him.

Thanks and regards..much respect to your organization, and your forum..and especially thanks for letting us at least in far enough to maybe keep up with what's happening..

[jhildebrand]

The league eveolved about 20 years ago. It was a run heavy league where D coordinators dared the opposing team's QB to beat them. That is how we got to where the NFL is today. Now the league is geared for passing and the rules are for passing. The old will become new again. Denver and Tebow showed that. Today's D is designed to stop the pass. They can't stop a sophisticated running attack. Especially a prolonged one.

What does it matter how good the opposing team's QB is if he only gets the ball 6-7 times per game? That is what you get with ground and pound. Their O can't get in rhythm. Their D wears out. Before long you are hitting home runs on Play Action.

[Falco21]

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[Brian McFan]

I hate the Tebow Trolls. Die.

More brilliance. Apparently Jake likes to hang out in bowling alleys...

[dmarz45]

The league eveolved about 20 years ago. It was a run heavy league where D coordinators dared the opposing team's QB to beat them. That is how we got to where the NFL is today. Now the league is geared for passing and the rules are for passing. The old will become new again. Denver and Tebow showed that. Today's D is designed to stop the pass. They can't stop a sophisticated running attack. Especially a prolonged one.

What does it matter how good the opposing team's QB is if he only gets the ball 6-7 times per game? That is what you get with ground and pound. Their O can't get in rhythm. Their D wears out. Before long you are hitting home runs on Play Action.

Yeah but if our running game struggles like last season, then where does it leave us???

[northernjet]

I will support anyone who puts on a Jets uniform. I put this team above any player we could get. I didn't want Plax, but I gave him a chance. Everyone deserves a chance.

That's what I'm saying.

[Rawrk]

Yeah but if our running game struggles like last season, then where does it leave us???

we'd be in trouble.. just like last season.

[northernjet]

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[Jake]

More brilliance. Apparently Jake likes to hang out in bowling alleys...

:wink:

Fills

[CowboysFan]

How the hell is he attacking fans? If you have a problem with a post, report it. Posts like this aren't acceptable.

I edited the word fans out.

I stand by what I said but I'll keep my mouth shut, if you guys don't care about fake accounts spamming here, I won't. I am a guest here.

[DimsAllmighty]

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[Brian McFan]

:wink:

Fills

hahahahahaha... I take that back...

[dmarz45]

we'd be in trouble.. just like last season.

Hopefully Sparano's offensive scheme can really boost our running game significantly. because we're going into next year with the exact same OL and RBs.

[CowboysFan]

Spoken like a true Tebow-holic

Nah just trying to give you guys a heads up, I'll keep my mouth shut and let people spam, if you guys don't care I don't. I am a guest here anyway.

[northernjet]

First of many "yeah that actually happened" moments:

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Embrace the madness...

I have embraced it...

[Rawrk]

Hopefully Sparano's offensive scheme can really boost our running game significantly. because we're going into next year with the exact same OL and RBs.

the offseason isn't over.

[northernjet]

the offseason isn't over.

pfft...says you...and a calendar...and, you know, thinking...

Edit: Hey that was my 100th post! Exciting!!

[Rawrk]

pfft...says you...and a calendar...and, you know, thinking...

Edit: Hey that was my 100th post! Exciting!!

congratulations!

super excited to have been able to be a part of your 100th post. :metal:

[Tombs]

The Circus supports Sanchez as the QB. We just want to help the Jets win (and rush for 150+ every time out).

[jhildebrand]

Yeah but if our running game struggles like last season, then where does it leave us???

Denver was ranked at or near the bottom of the league, talking bottom 5, in rushing and rushing D before Tebow was inserted in the lineup. They weren't running the ball well with Orton when he was being Ortonary going 1-4. McGahee had something like 2 YPC. After Tebow it was MUCH MUCH higher.

The Broncos averaged 190 per game! Think about that. It's because the D is forced to have some kind of spy or one player dedicated to Tebow and only Tebow. Also, the D has to be disciplined in the run game and most aren't these days because it is a passing league. The D end can't crash on the zone read/option read play. That is what happened on the run that Tebow scored against the Jets to win.

Your run game will improve guaranteed. The problem you need to be concerned with should Tebow start is your RT. That is what will matter.

[VanderbiltJets]

Here's to hoping ***** doesn't hurt, doesn't detract from the team, and contributes to wins.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

The Dolphins are trying to trade Reggie Bush now... watch Tanny try and trade for him too because he played for Sparano.

I'd rather have Bush as a 3rd down back then Tebow as a back/up Wildcat QB any day.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

All the people in here that are hating on this deal are further proof as to why they aren't employed by an NFL team.

This move wasn't so much as to hope Tebow plays QB for us, but to light a fire under Sanchez' ass. You're gonna tell Sanchez he's getting benched for 0-16 Drew Stanton or Mark Brunell? He's gonna look you in the eyes and laugh at you.

You tell him he's about to get benched for Tebow, if that doesn't fire him up he doesn't deserve to be in the league.

I don't agree with the concept that Sanchez needs a fire lit under him. He has been standing on a fire ever since he got here and was handed the keys to this team. He already is the most scrutinized QB in the NFL and gets the blame for everything that goes wrong in a Jets game. But assuming you are right, then spend the $4 million on Orton or Campbell and tell them they have a shot at the job and avoid the circus that Tebow brings.

[Jetzz]

I don't agree with the concept that Sanchez needs a fire lit under him. He has been standing on a fire ever since he got here and was handed the keys to this team. He already is the most scrutinized QB in the NFL and gets the blame for everything that goes wrong in a Jets game. But assuming you are right, then spend the $4 million on Orton or Campbell and tell them they have a shot at the job and avoid the circus that Tebow brings.

But, but, but... all Tebow does is win! And well..uhm... Tebow. :breakdance:

Circus and clown show pretty much sum up this move...

[Br4dw4y5ux]

You know what I just don't get? Tim Tebow is only slightly better than catspit for 55 minutes of the game and then he turns into the indispensable guy in the last 5 minutes of the game if the game is still close enough for that to matter.

Ok, so Mark Sanchez is better than Tebow by quite a bit in the first 55 minutes and pretty damn good if not quite as good in the last 5 minutes.

How the hell does it benefit the Jets to have two QB's who both are below average, Tebow almost historically bad, in the first 55 minutes and then can rally the team for a win late?

How can these two talents possibly be better together than they are individually? They both do the same thing only one of them does it much better early and one of them does it a bit better late.

I'd have understood if the Cowboys went and got Tebow to replace Romo in the 4th quarter of close games. I'd have understood if the Falcons went and got Tebow to put in for Ryan in hopeless causes because maybe he could be the spark that Ryan never is in those situations.

I just don't understand how doubling down on ugly early and great late helps the Jets at all. It's just such an epic clusterfuck on their part.

[1968jetsfan]

Anyone who doesn't think that that fans won't be calling for Tebow after a bad Sanchez game have lived in a vacuum over the last two years. Why pay your QB $20M+ over the next two years guaranteed only to bring in Tebow? If Sanchez plays as well as some think he can there is no need for Tebow. Since when has a wildcat offense put a team over the top? Please somebody answer that question.

I guess the Jets are smarter than the other 25-30 teams in the league. Yeah, that's the ticket.

First I don't like this at all, and despite the fact I have lost faith in Sanchez, there is no way on this Earth I will be calling for Tebow to be the starter...But that said a lot of idiots will want him to be the starter...a guy who has never completed 50% of his passes....ugh.

[CowboysFan]

You know what I just don't get? Tim Tebow is only slightly better than catspit for 55 minutes of the game and then he turns into the indispensable guy in the last 5 minutes of the game if the game is still close enough for that to matter.

Ok, so Mark Sanchez is better than Tebow by quite a bit in the first 55 minutes and pretty damn good if not quite as good in the last 5 minutes.

How the hell does it benefit the Jets to have two QB's who both are below average, Tebow almost historically bad, in the first 55 minutes and then can rally the team for a win late?

How can these two talents possibly be better together than they are individually? They both do the same thing only one of them does it much better early and one of them does it a bit better late.

I'd have understood if the Cowboys went and got Tebow to replace Romo in the 4th quarter of close games. I'd have understood if the Falcons went and got Tebow to put in for Ryan in hopeless causes because maybe he could be the spark that Ryan never is in those situations.

I just don't understand how doubling down on ugly early and great late helps the Jets at all. It's just such an epic clusterfuck on their part.

I think you are confusing the way Tebow was used last year by Denver and what the Jets are planning to use him .

Totally different focus.

[buddapaw]

We can thank the hiring of Tony Sparano as OC for this unmitigated clusterfuck. He hasn't called a play yet and I hate that motherfucker. The same agent as fleablow, yeah that had nothing to do with it.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

I think you are confusing the way Tebow was used last year by Denver and what the Jets are planning to use him .

Totally different focus.

I don't care how the Broncos used him last year. The Broncos scored about 60 points in the first half in his 11 starts last season. The reason the Jets were under so much pressure last year was they couldn't score points in the first half.

How is having two guys who cannot drive for first half points if their lives depended on it but are great at the end of the game going to help the Jets?

You think the Broncos didn't have Tebow wild-catting in the first half last year? They did. They had him wild-catting in every quarter. Until the 4th quarter he wasn't a remotely good QB or drive leader for points.

If Sanchez didn't have the 4th quarter attributes he has I could see Tebow fitting in pretty well. The problem is that Tebow is never going to get late snaps in tight games unless the Jets totally want to undermine Sanchez leadership of the team, in which case nothing Tebow does late is going to matter.

Once Sanchez gets knocked off the stage the Jets are going to be in the same position the Broncos were in: you can't win it all with a lousy QB and despite all of Tim Tebow's other attributes he's a historically bad QB.

[kubernetes]

I'm in as long as we don't have to hear him sing.:grin:

Seriously though, I'm sick of hearing about Mark's feelings and his fragile ego. Is that stuff even true or just unsourced rumors?

What are we supposed to fear, that Mark will underperform because of the pressure of competition? .... Wouldn't that just confirm that he's in the wrong profession? Have you ever heard of a franchise QB who wilted in the face of competition? He should welcome the chance to compete!

One thing I'll say about Tebow, you never hear about his fragile self-esteem or hurt feelings, and he's has had stuff said about him that's 10x worse than anything said about Sanchez.

[reverseapachemaster]

Denver was ranked at or near the bottom of the league, talking bottom 5, in rushing and rushing D before Tebow was inserted in the lineup. They weren't running the ball well with Orton when he was being Ortonary going 1-4. McGahee had something like 2 YPC. After Tebow it was MUCH MUCH higher.

The Broncos averaged 190 per game! Think about that. It's because the D is forced to have some kind of spy or one player dedicated to Tebow and only Tebow. Also, the D has to be disciplined in the run game and most aren't these days because it is a passing league. The D end can't crash on the zone read/option read play. That is what happened on the run that Tebow scored against the Jets to win.

Your run game will improve guaranteed. The problem you need to be concerned with should Tebow start is your RT. That is what will matter.

It worked for a while in Denver. Looking towards the end of the season that strategy wilted. It was a great one season gimmick.

[LWC611]

I am a Jets Fan he is on the Jets now, therefore I hope that he is a contributor and plays well whenever he is given the opportunity. I really hope his QBing skills improve.

[laxin]

I'd rather have Bush as a 3rd down back then Tebow as a back/up Wildcat QB any day.

So would I.

Bush and Greene would actually be a very nice backfield.

I was just pointing out Tanny’s need to make trades and moves constantly. Bush would have more of an impact on this team than Tebow and wouldnt cause any media problems or fan outbreaks.

[VanderbiltJets]

O boy, Im looking foward to the post in this thread (if it last's)

Oh how shit can change in just a couple of days...

[TimeSquareTim]

I am now a Jets fan only because of TIM!! good luck Tim and take that starting job from Sanchez!!

[xmscott]

I am now a Jets fan only because of TIM!! goos luck Tim and take that starting job from Sanchez!!

:drunk:

Im seriously considering giving up on this franchise.

[tebowfan]

Does anyone know of a site where I can buy a tebow / jets tee shirt? Tebowing?

[TimeSquareTim]

that would be sweet! i want one too!

[TimeSquareTim]

Does anyone know of a site where I can buy a tebow / jets tee shirt? Tebowing?
that would be sweet! i want one too!

[northernjet]

congratulations!

super excited to have been able to be a part of your 100th post. :metal:

And my 101st post...man you are on fire! Or stalking me...or I'm stalking you...I don't even know anymore.

[johnny]

As far as our defense being put in bad situations teebow always can keep a drive alive which is something i like

Is that why the Broncos were second in the league in punts (yes even more than the Jets)? Also, if you believe Mark Schlereth on TV (I haven't been able to confirm on line) the Bronco's led the league in three and outs last year. No offense, but facts don't seem to support your assertion.

[jetsaholic10]

There's also another way this all could turn out. It could actually turn out well. What if Tebow is used just as a wildcat/direct snap RB out of the backfield and actually does well? If he's in there for 5-10 plays per game and does well, that would be a good thing and make this trade all worth it.

As the fans of this team, let's see how this pans out first instead of joining the frenzy that the fans of the rest of the other teams are worrying about. As much as this could turn into a bad move, after a couple of weeks into the season, who knows? Maybe we'll actually have a dynamic offense.

[Scruggy]

You think YOU'RE excited about Tebow coming to the Jets? Well, I woke up this morning with Stigmata! Ironically, Blue Cross Blue Shield does not cover Stigmata. Thank God for ObamaCare!

RON PAUL!!!

[Jetfanmack]

I am now a Jets fan only because of TIM!! good luck Tim and take that starting job from Sanchez!!

This is what we're going to have to deal with for a while. People who want Tebow to play and aren't really Jets fans but are Tebow fans who want Tebow to play and Sanchez to sit.

As for Tebow, I hope that Sanchez runs with the job and pins Tebow to the bench and the fringe remains that, the fringe. But you don't get Tebow without playing him, so he'll have his Wildcat packages. We'll see how successful he is and they are with it. Not too many teams run Wildcat anymore, and as a Broncos fan mentioned in another thread, they got rid of Tebow because Manning is too good to take him off the field. The best thing that can happen for this franchise is for Sanchez to become that guy for us. Or, if Tebow does. Tebow has a longer way to go though.

jetsshop.com is the official Jets store, I'm sure there's stuff there.

[TimeSquareTim]

I am now a jets fan only because of Tim.I can't wait to see him tear it up on the field!

[jhildebrand]

It worked for a while in Denver. Looking towards the end of the season that strategy wilted. It was a great one season gimmick.

The strategy changed. Denver got away from the triple option and heavy does of zone read. Elway had acknowledged as much. They tried to get back to a traditional offense sprinkling in a few plays at a time of the option/wc type stuff.

[PJ4Ever]

I am now a Jets fan only because of TIM!! good luck Tim and take that starting job from Sanchez!!

I already hate you.

[PJ4Ever]

Tebow will not be playing QB for the Jets this year. Period. End of story. I really feel this way because of Rex. I think he still has full faith in Mark, and he better, becuase he's quite simply a better QB than Tebow.

As a runner, Tebow can be an absolute beast. I hope his fans understand that that is what's better for him and for the team.

[Jetfanmack]

Tebow will not be playing QB for the Jets this year. Period. End of story. I really feel this way because of Rex. I think he still has full faith in Mark, and he better, becuase he's quite simply a better QB than Tebow.

As a runner, Tebow can be an absolute beast. I hope his fans understand that that is what's better for him and for the team.

The problem is he'll get packages here and there where he will be getting the direct snaps. They wouldn't make this deal if that weren't the case. Depending on how well Sanchez does and how well Tebow does in his packages (which would be run/pass option) would dictate how often Tebow gets in the game.

But Tebow will not be the full-time starting QB barring injury.

[ScotlandJet]

I am now a jets fan only because of Tim.I can't wait to see him tear it up on the field!

Oh dear. This sadly might be the price we have to pay to have Tebow on the team.
I peg you at a young age sir please be aware the veterans on this board have been scarred for life through years of supporting the Jets. Please slice open your hand and see if blood is red or green- you will know if this is a home for you.

[Cman55]

I am now a jets fan only because of Tim.I can't wait to see him tear it up on the field!

This is why this trade was a really bad idea for everybody except Tim Tebow.

[tebowfan]

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[milo]

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Damn that was fast!

You guys must be in overdrive since yesterday.

[PJ4Ever]

The problem is he'll get packages here and there where he will be getting the direct snaps. They wouldn't make this deal if that weren't the case. Depending on how well Sanchez does and how well Tebow does in his packages (which would be run/pass option) would dictate how often Tebow gets in the game.

But Tebow will not be the full-time starting QB barring injury.

Right, I'm all for him getting his packages. Like I said I think he can be a beast in that role because he's such a great runner and is at least a threat to pass. But, Sanchez has to be the focus and the pressure is on him to perform.

[reverseapachemaster]

Let's bring back Testaverde to coach Tebow.

[dmarz45]

idk but I cant wait til next season. Its definitely going to be interesting to watch. Its so far awayyyyy tho.....

[Br4dw4y5ux]

But Tebow will not be the full-time starting QB barring Woody thinking it would sell more gear than Sanchez playing would.

Sorry, I almost never do this but I had to correct your post for factual errors.

[TimeSquareTim]

Tebow will not be playing QB for the Jets this year. Period. End of story. I really feel this way because of Rex. I think he still has full faith in Mark, and he better, becuase he's quite simply a better QB than Tebow.

As a runner, Tebow can be an absolute beast. I hope his fans understand that that is what's better for him and for the team.
we can put tebow in at 4th qtr if the jets are behind so he can work his magic.

[dmarz45]

TimeSquareTim are you a bandwagon Tebow fan? Im not trying to be a dick Im just curious...

[Brooklyn]

Yesterday I read something saying both Sanchez and Tebow knew what their roles would be for 2012 and they were both fine with it.

If they are fine with it, why the hell are we eating each other alive here?

[PJ4Ever]

we can put tebow in at 4th qtr if the jets are behind so he can work his magic.

Sanchez is also a clutch 4th quarter QB.

[Acad23]

TimeSquareTim are you a bandwagon Tebow fan? Im not trying to be a dick Im just curious...

8 posts.

What do you think?

And that's the number one reason I don't like Tebow as a Jet.

It's his fans infiltrating this board.

[PJ4Ever]

8 posts.

What do you think?

And that's the number one reason I don't like Tebow as a Jet.

It's his fans infiltrating this board.

Hopefully SOME of them know football and not just where Tim Tebow's balls are in relation to their mouth.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Yesterday I read something saying both Sanchez and Tebow knew what their roles would be for 2012 and they were both fine with it.

If they are fine with it, why the hell are we eating each other alive here?

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.

The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylon Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.

[jetsillinifan]

i'll give him a chance... i'll judge based on what he does for the Jets. but i wont rule him out, it'll be good competition for Sanchez and keep him awake, and another "running back", hopefully team chemistry will be a lot better

[nyJETS0511]

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.

The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylong Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.

id rather be shot then watch another season with sanchez......Rex/Mr T feel the same

[LGENF]

8 posts.

What do you think?

And that's the number one reason I don't like Tebow as a Jet.

It's his fans infiltrating this board.

Those aren't his fans, those are trolls from Broncos land coming over to act like tebois

you will get to know the tebow fans, we stick around, offer up insight that differs from Tebow is a GOD and Sanchez will be lucky to hold a clipboard here next year

most of us are just happy the Jets actually wanted him, after Elway did all he could to kill his career in Denver

[Big Blocker]

Denver was ranked at or near the bottom of the league, talking bottom 5, in rushing and rushing D before Tebow was inserted in the lineup. They weren't running the ball well with Orton when he was being Ortonary going 1-4. McGahee had something like 2 YPC. After Tebow it was MUCH MUCH higher.

The Broncos averaged 190 per game! Think about that. It's because the D is forced to have some kind of spy or one player dedicated to Tebow and only Tebow. Also, the D has to be disciplined in the run game and most aren't these days because it is a passing league. The D end can't crash on the zone read/option read play. That is what happened on the run that Tebow scored against the Jets to win.

Your run game will improve guaranteed. The problem you need to be concerned with should Tebow start is your RT. That is what will matter.

Your post lacks cred. First you complain about the Broncos running game in the first five games, then you seem to blame that all on Orton.

And fail to mention the role of the D.

In the Tenn game, Orton may not have had a great day, but the key play was that the Broncs failed to convert on a fourth and one at the one with McGahee running it. Around here we would not lay the blame for a play like that on the Qb. If they had converted that play, Denver likely would have won that game.

The D also gave up 49 points to Green Bay, and 29 to San Diego. Everyone who knows anything about Denver last year knows their D got much better later in the season. I understand Orton was hurting in the first half of the SD game, and that Tebow scored some points, but San Diego actually could have scored a lot more if Rivers had not thrown an interception and then there was that fourth quarter fumble, too.

In the Oakland game Orton was the leading passer, the D gave up 23 and Denver only lost by 3 points. Yes, there were turnovers, but McFadden gained a buck fifty. Hard to win when your D gives up that kind of rushing yardage.

I'd rather have Orton over Tebow any day of hte week.

[NYJFan10]

This is what we're going to have to deal with for a while. People who want Tebow to play and aren't really Jets fans but are Tebow fans who want Tebow to play and Sanchez to sit.

Like one of the guys on ESPN Radio said (the one with Kay today), this isn't just going to start in the first quarter of the regular season, it's going to start in the preseason too when Tebow puts up numbers against second-string defenses.

[Dierking]

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.

The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylon Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.
Well thats just nitpicking now, isn't it?

[Jake]

I am now a jets fan only because of Tim.I can't wait to see him tear it up on the field!

You aren't a Jets fan. You'll be gone in a year or two.

[RevisIsland18]

id rather be shot then watch another season with sanchez......Rex/Mr T feel the same

i would hope someone would post that on TGG

[Mr. Brightside]

I really can't stand Tim Tebow.

[LGENF]

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.

The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylon Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.

except your theory/short story falls apart IF tebow does what he did in Denver.

You see thats the exact same thing Denver's FO thought would happen, yeah they watched him struggle in practice and drills and then when the fans got so fed up with losing and Orton being the QB1, then they said, ok here we go we will throw him out there and let him fail, only he didn't and that's why his fans believe in him

I hope your story does not come true in any way, I hope the FO and coaching staff find a way to make it work and the JETS win a bunch of games go deep in the playoffs and knock the Broncos out (sweet revenge in my book)

[Br4dw4y5ux]

most of us are just happy the Jets actually wanted him, after Elway did all he could to kill his career in Denver

Let me ask you a question: why did Elway do everything he could to kill Tebow's career in Denver?

It's not vanity. He's not worried that Tebow will make the Broncos fans forget Elway. If he was worried about that he'd just have kept Kyle Orton as the starter. Instead he has brought in probably the greatest QB to ever play the game to start for the Broncos. If anybody is going to push Elway off of the top of the Broncos all time great list it's Peyton Manning.

He obviously likes Tim Tebow. At least that's what he has consistently said when Tebow was a backup and then starter.

What is it about Tim Tebow that made John Elway run him out of town so fast? Why did the Broncos go all-in for Peyton Manning when they had a guy who had just taken them to the playoffs for the first time in a half decade?

Figure the answer to that one out and you will understand why I see Tim Tebow's arrival in NY as almost the worst possible thing that could have happened to the Jets at this point.

[TimeSquareTim]

TimeSquareTim are you a bandwagon Tebow fan? Im not trying to be a dick Im just curious...
I've been a fan of Tebow since his college days,I root for him which ever team he's on.

[Don]

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.


The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylon Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.

If this team gets off to that kind of start then everybody will be fired at the end of the season and both QBs will be shipped out (if they can figure out how to do that) so who is really going to care?

[Br4dw4y5ux]

except your theory/short story falls apart IF tebow does what he did in Denver.

You see thats the exact same thing Denver's FO thought would happen, yeah they watched him struggle in practice and drills and then when the fans got so fed up with losing and Orton being the QB1, then they said, ok here we go we will throw him out there and let him fail, only he didn't and that's why his fans believe in him

I hope your story does not come true in any way, I hope the FO and coaching staff find a way to make it work and the JETS win a bunch of games go deep in the playoffs and knock the Broncos out (sweet revenge in my book)

No it doesn't fall apart at all.

Let's say Tim Tebow comes in and leads some late game comebacks and the Jets finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and then lose in the divisional round to somebody.

You know what's going to happen to the Jets and Tim Tebow in that situation? They're going to be figuratively crucified by the media and fans for their failures.

And that's the upside here.

[Jake]

I really can't stand Tim Tebow.

He's a good guy. It's his cult-following that I hate. Hate isn't a strong enough word -despise. That sounds better.

[jlee499]

Because two guys in their mid 20's can't possibly understand how bad this is going to get if the Jets don't come out of the gate blazing next season?

You have to understand how this is going to work if things get off to a slow start. Let's say the Jets win 2 out of their first 5 games with Sanchez playing 75% of the time and Tebow playing 25%.

The offense isn't working with either of them early on because the WR's can't get separation and the blocking is not all that good and Sparano keeps running the wildcat out there to try to change the pace and it's not doing much, as it wasn't last year in Denver.

The one saving grace is that whoever is in late is performing miracles and the Jets have won 2 games they trailed in the fourth quarter or they'd be 0-5.

The fans are really restless going into game 6 and Sanchez is catching most of that because he's on the field more than Tebow. So early in game 6 Sanchez throws his 4th interception of the year and the fans start chanting for Tebow. Tebow! Tebow! Tebow! The place is really going off because it's now 22 games since the last time the fans felt really good about the Jets.

It doesn't help that one of the NY beat writers has been hammering the Play Tebow angle really hard because it gives him readers and that's all he really cares about, differentiating himself from the other tabloid writers.

So Rex and Sparano send Tebow out for the next series not in full-wildcat mode and that's when the Jets discover the awful truth, which is that there's only one NFL caliber QB on the roster and he's likely toast at this point with the fans. It's Richard Todd vs Matt Robinson all over again except that Matt Robinson was actually a better QB than Tebow is.

The Jets spend the rest of the season in the same mode they've been in since Damien Woody was cut and Braylon Edwards left in free agency. Struggling on offense due to inferior personnel and putting a heavy load on the defense which inevitably breaks down now and then and costs the Jets games.

Going into 2013 there's a full-blown tabloid war going on about why the Jets went 6-10 and who's responsible for that and the two QB's on the roster are both guaranteed their money already for 2013.

That was a pretty good read... when does the book come out? This Tebow trade has gotten totally out of hand with all the speculation of what is going to happen and no clue to what 'will' happen. I have decided to just wait for the movie version and leave the guessing up to the pro's on here.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

That was a pretty good read... when does the book come out? This Tebow trade has gotten totally out of hand with all the speculation of what is going to happen and no clue to what 'will' happen. I have decided to just wait for the movie version and leave the guessing up to the pro's on here.

By the time you have been watching the Jets for 40 years you understand how things go. This franchise is going to have to become absolutely exemplary in terms of how they conduct business before they sniff a Super Bowl.

The next year or two are just a sideshow on the path to that eventual enlightenment which may be Woody's or may be the next owners.

[Jake]

If Sanchez doesn't progress, we don't have a capable NFL QB. Plain and simple. Tebow is a gadget player. Useful yes, nowhere near as dynamic as his fans say he is.

[tcrock]

it's funny, the hate for this guy is just as irrational as the mad love.

[Dierking]

I've been a fan of Tebow since his college days,I root for him which ever team he's on.

This has got to be a joke account.

[LGENF]

Let me ask you a question: why did Elway do everything he could to kill Tebow's career in Denver?

It's not vanity. He's not worried that Tebow will make the Broncos fans forget Elway. If he was worried about that he'd just have kept Kyle Orton as the starter. Instead he has brought in probably the greatest QB to ever play the game to start for the Broncos. If anybody is going to push Elway off of the top of the Broncos all time great list it's Peyton Manning.

He obviously likes Tim Tebow. At least that's what he has consistently said when Tebow was a backup and then starter.

What is it about Tim Tebow that made John Elway run him out of town so fast? Why did the Broncos go all-in for Peyton Manning when they had a guy who had just taken them to the playoffs for the first time in a half decade?

Figure the answer to that one out and you will understand why I see Tim Tebow's arrival in NY as almost the worst possible thing that could have happened to the Jets at this point.

Elway chased Tebow out of town because he was not a pocket passer and that is what Elway wants in his offense - that's your answer

[jlee499]

By the time you have been watching the Jets for 40 years you understand how things go. This franchise is going to have to become absolutely exemplary in terms of how they conduct business before they sniff a Super Bowl.

The next year or two are just a sideshow on the path to that eventual enlightenment which may be Woody's or may be the next owners.

I first became a Jets fan when Joe Namath was signed in 1965 (Alabama fan). So, I have been through all the 'screw-ups, almosts and what if's' that the Jets have thrown at us over those years. This is not new to me, but I am tiring of the Tebow bashing. I was not a fan of his when he was at Florida or in Denver, but he is a Jet now and I can only hope this organization will get it's act together... finally.

I know the odds and history are against that happening, but as a Jet fan I have to keep hoping. I honestly believe we will have a good season... Especially if we get enough Alabama players on our team, i.e. McElroy, Richardson, etc. :)

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Elway chased Tebow out of town because he was not a pocket passer and that is what Elway wants in his offense - that's your answer

There's no way. John Elway wasn't a pocket passer either. Why he would demand that his QB be a pocket passer given that he was not is unclear. Has he said that he wanted a pocket passer instead of a mobile QB?

My answer is that John Elway knew three things about Tim Tebow beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. He doesn't possess the skills to be an NFL QB and had shown no signs of developing them since he was drafted by the Broncos.

2. Good NFL defenses will shut down the kind of player that Tim Tebow is once they get enough film to successfully corral the one-trick pony.

3. Tim Tebow's fans, for whatever reason, can apply a huge amount of pressure to put Tebow on the field and that pressure would be there as long as the Broncos were not in collapse mode with Tebow at QB.

Elway didn't ditch Tebow because he was not a pocket passer he ditched Tebow because he wasn't a passer at all and Elway doubted his ability to control the flow of events and move the Broncos forward as long as Tebow was on the roster.

Peyton Manning is coming off triple neck surgery or something silly like that. You think Elway wouldn't have kept Tebow around if he thought he had the option to do that and still move the Broncos towards their goal of winning a Super Bowl?

[munegins]

The jets only hope has chosen and been chosen. Here comes the MEAN GREEN TEBOW MACHINE!!! You jet fans thought you were loud and crazy MWAHAHAHA

[Poeman]

The jets only hope has chosen and been chosen. Here comes the MEAN GREEN TEBOW MACHINE!!! You jet fans thought you were loud and crazy MWAHAHAHA

Please ban this idiot.

[NYJMONKEY]

next year he will make 6million gurenteed. i dont think we can afford both these guys. this was an awful move. im really loosing my intrest in this team. these moves are agravating. i have been a jet fan for the last 20 years. die hard fan. and i just dunno the direction this team is going anymore.

[ConcordeChops]

This is going to be a long offseason...

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[AbdulSalam]

next year he will make 6million gurenteed. i dont think we can afford both these guys. this was an awful move. im really loosing my intrest in this team. these moves are agravating. i have been a jet fan for the last 20 years. die hard fan. and i just dunno the direction this team is going anymore.

Luckily for you - you have no idea what you are talking about as to who willl make what next year etc - its NFL - nobody is guaranteed anything and the deals always get re-worked anyway based on past performance - so the only thing to worry about is this season. This Season is the only thing that matters. Secondly its not your money nor is it your job to pretend to worry about Mr. Johnson decides to spend his money. You are a fan. Buy your ticket, buy your Jersey, watch the game on TV. But stop suffering under the illusion that you have some financial stake in the contractual and financial elements of some player's deal with the Jets. Its not your problem - relax, watch and enjoy the fun. Its entertainment - treat it as such and don't sweat the idiocy of getting overly consumed with pretending you are in charge of the contracts. Cuz you're not.

[deathstar]

Please ban this idiot.

I second this motion.

Good lord, the message board is being flooded by these idiots...

[munegins]

Lol...this is gonna be great

[Phear]

Luckily for you - you have no idea what you are talking about as to who willl make what next year etc - its NFL - nobody is guaranteed anything and the deals always get re-worked anyway based on past performance - so the only thing to worry about is this season. This Season is the only thing that matters. Secondly its not your money nor is it your job to pretend to worry about Mr. Johnson decides to spend his money. You are a fan. Buy your ticket, buy your Jersey, watch the game on TV. But stop suffering under the illusion that you have some financial stake in the contractual and financial elements of some player's deal with the Jets. Its not your problem - relax, watch and enjoy the fun. Its entertainment - treat it as such and don't sweat the idiocy of getting overly consumed with pretending you are in charge of the contracts. Cuz you're not.

I think you're mis interpreting what he's really ranting about. I doubt he cares what woody spends his money on, unfortunately this isn't the MLB. There are salary caps in the NFL, having 2 QBs who are no where near elite taking up over 20 mil in cap space is idiotic.

[Cakes]

Lol...this is gonna be great

What will be great? You getting banned or Tebow playing for the Jets.?

[JetsVilma28]

^you guys are clowns. Embrace it. He wears green and white.

[CJLang]

I really can't stand Tim Tebow.

Thank goodness you could join! We need some folks who joined because they are Tebow haters to balance the folks who joined just becaus ethey love Tebow...

It's all about equilibrium

[ace_o_spades]

This isn't a shot at any of the mods, admins, or Petrozza but holy shit this site is gonna be worse than it ever was...

[Cman55]

^you guys are clowns. Embrace it. He wears green and white.

Sorry, but that only works for homers and other "True Fans". The rest of us probably will never embrace it. Congrats, the Fanbase is now as split as the rest of the country.

[Cman55]

This isn't a shot at any of the mods, admins, or Petrozza but holy shit this site is gonna be worse than it ever was...

Trust me Ace, we see it coming man..

[CJLang]

There's no way. John Elway wasn't a pocket passer either. Why he would demand that his QB be a pocket passer given that he was not is unclear. Has he said that he wanted a pocket passer instead of a mobile QB?

My answer is that John Elway knew three things about Tim Tebow beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. He doesn't possess the skills to be an NFL QB and had shown no signs of developing them since he was drafted by the Broncos.

2. Good NFL defenses will shut down the kind of player that Tim Tebow is once they get enough film to successfully corral the one-trick pony.

3. Tim Tebow's fans, for whatever reason, can apply a huge amount of pressure to put Tebow on the field and that pressure would be there as long as the Broncos were not in collapse mode with Tebow at QB.

Elway didn't ditch Tebow because he was not a pocket passer he ditched Tebow because he wasn't a passer at all and Elway doubted his ability to control the flow of events and move the Broncos forward as long as Tebow was on the roster.

Peyton Manning is coming off triple neck surgery or something silly like that. You think Elway wouldn't have kept Tebow around if he thought he had the option to do that and still move the Broncos towards their goal of winning a Super Bowl?

...but he's a winner!

[ace_o_spades]

Trust me Ace, we see it coming man..

I can deal with fin fans, patriot bandwagon trolls, darksiders, sunshiners, etc...but Jesus fucking Christ (I'm hoping taking the fake magic man's name in vain will scare these freaks away) this is bad..

[CJLang]

This isn't a shot at any of the mods, admins, or Petrozza but holy shit this site is gonna be worse than it ever was...

You're gonna start to appreciate what some of us Pats fans bring to the table here!

BTW, I thought this Tebow stuff was gonna be great for this board, but I'm starting to rethink that.

[NYSuperDoodle]

I've been a Jets fan for the past 25 years, and it's been a frustrating ride. For the first time I think the Jets are really thinking outside the box, and I'm optimistic enough to start posting on here again.

[TheMadHatter]

Being a member of the beoncos forum I know what this forum is getting prepared for.

It depends what tebow fans you talk to. If you get the ones that just like tebow and no other football player.... Well they are hell to deal with no matter what you say good or bad. But there are many tebow fans that enjoy the sport and tebow is their guy, they aren't bad and usually level headed and really enjoy and embrace the team tebow is on.

Now I'm a long time bronco fan but have also been a huge tebow fan since his college days and really regret how Elway handled tebow but what's done is done and now am rooting for him to be amazing for the jets.

[Barcs]

It can't really hurt to have him around. It'll just be annoying dealing with Tebow fans that will migrate over. They really want to establish the wildcat, something Schotty sucked at. Without Brad Smith, most of those big plays go nowhere. This should definitely be a fun year for Jets fans. So far so good. Now about RT.... Without that vital piece all this is for naught.

[JetsUK]

Tebow has a phenomenal work ethic, unlike Sanchez.

you can doubt Sanchez's ability (nearly everyone does) but he has an incredible work ethic. laziness is not his problem

[munegins]

What will be great? You getting banned or Tebow playing for the Jets.?
Why would it be great to be banned?? what stage is the biggest and loudest in the world?? Don't be a blind "idiot" there is a reason Tim landed in Ny and whether you like it now or not all jets fans if they are true fans will be chanting his name in due time...

[Saint Chez]

Why would it be great to be banned?? what stage is the biggest and loudest in the world?? Don't be a blind "idiot" there is a reason Tim landed in Ny and whether you like it now or not all jets fans if they are true fans will be chanting his name in due time...

Oooh I know I'm gonna hate you.

[Cman55]

Ah yessss.. The "True Fan" argument rears its ugly head.. Only took 24 hrs. Might be a new record.

[VanderbiltJets]

Has anyone talked about LT's comments on Sanchez and *****?

[jets&rushfan]

Darn, have not been back here in a year and almost forgot what goes on...

Think some of these guys need TEB W tattooed on their ass.

[deathstar]

Ah yessss.. The "True Fan" argument rears its ugly head.. Only took 24 hrs. Might be a new record.

haha...Look at Finheaven...

The front office blind faith defenders always pull out the real fan bullshit...

Year after year we are mediocre...But if we call out the shitty GM...they go into the real fan mode and say that we don't know anything about football...

It really is annoying after a while.

[VanderbiltJets]

I am now a jets fan only because of Tim.I can't wait to see him tear it up on the field!

Please do your best to learn about the Jets and *****'s role on the Jets as opposed to just blindly rooting for *****. If *****'s used correctly (and sparsely) the team will have the potential to enjoy a good season.

[deathstar]

You're gonna start to appreciate what some of us Pats fans bring to the table here!

BTW, I thought this Tebow stuff was gonna be great for this board, but I'm starting to rethink that.

You really thought that?

The board is already filling up with Tebow freaks.

[wexy]

He is a Jet, I want him to excel whatever his role is.

[munegins]

Oooh I know I'm gonna hate you.
Lol..i can live with that...be strong everything is going to be ok

[laxin]

Lol..i can live with that...be strong everything is going to be ok

Itll be okay once you and your fellow Tebowites are banned.

[Jetaho]

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[munegins]

Tim will do nothing to hurt the jets but his fans will want him at the helm and i won't lie i am one of them..as long as Mark does his job i will keep my mouth shut and cheer the jets on..but let him personally lose a game and y'all will here me all the way from Florida wanting Tim to have a chance to prove and improve!!

[laxin]

Reaction to trading for Tebow...

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[munegins]

Itll be okay once you and your fellow Tebowites are banned.
Remember that sick feeling you got, the cries and tears when he beat you last season...you won't have to be part of that laughing stock next year...just tryin to give you something positive to think about...that how "tebowites" think..positive

[laxin]

Remember that sick feeling you got, the cries and tears when he beat you last season...you won't have to be part of that laughing stock next year...just tryin to give you something positive to think about...that how "tebowites" think..positive

Cool story bro.

Something positive think about is you being banned very shortly.

[displacedfan]

Remember that sick feeling you got, the cries and tears when he beat you last season...you won't have to be part of that laughing stock next year...just tryin to give you something positive to think about...that how "tebowites" think..positive

Oh that means Tebow is going to play safety so no QB can run past us for a 20+ yard game winner? Or that tight ends don't have career games against us? That really improves the team, I am really looking forward to this.

In reality, the positive is that we have a new OC who is going to be focused on the O line and getting chunks of yards. On top of that, the Jets are going to have a ton of draft picks compared to usual. Oh, and another positive is that they aren't throwing money at guys for once this offseason. They also added a backup QB who can be a threat in the wildcat. Those are the positives.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Remember that sick feeling you got, the cries and tears when he beat you last season...you won't have to be part of that laughing stock next year...just tryin to give you something positive to think about...that how "tebowites" think..positive

Remember that sick feeling you got when the Broncos paid a real QB to get rid of your boyfriend? You thought you were going to come here and start talking shit to make yourself feel better? Not so much.

[jonnyd]

Sorry, but that only works for homers and other "True Fans". The rest of us probably will never embrace it. Congrats, the Fanbase is now as split as the rest of the country.

DUDE. seriously. You gotta bring it down about 50 notches bro. You are sooooooo over-stating this entire transaction. You'll never embrace what exactly? Runnin some wildcat plays? The fact that Woody is gonna sell some extra jerseys? We're never gonna recover form giving up a 4th round pick??
The fan base is fractured like the rest of teh country? Hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

Serioulsy man, ummm we will get past this. The sun will come up tomorrow. i promise.

We got a great kid, high character guy, cant throw for cok but he can run a little and make things difficult on a defense. Thats all bro.

[Cakes]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

[Poeman]

Tim will do nothing to hurt the jets but his fans will want him at the helm and i won't lie i am one of them..as long as Mark does his job i will keep my mouth shut and cheer the jets on..but let him personally lose a game and y'all will here me all the way from Florida wanting Tim to have a chance to prove and improve!!

Thank you for getting rid of this idiot.

[dmarz45]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

I think anybody with less than 100 posts should be banned or the mods should just close registration lol.... We all know the new members are Tebow fanboys\bandwagon fans....

[whichfan]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out what some fans are trying to embrace.

Tebowmania would not exist if he didn't win. So if you have a problem with winning, then I feel sorry for most. The reason it exists is because....Tebow WON. College, Broncos, etc...he won.

If he didn't win there would be no Tebowmania. So if Sanchez starts stinking it up, why the heck would you NOT want someone else to take over and give another guy a chance?

And do fans think it's any different when Peyton Manning goes to the Broncos? Or if he came here? Or if Brady went somewhere else? Their fans would follow them just the same.

[Barcs]

The Jets fanbase has been split for years. This is nothing new. Will the sky is falling fans team up with the homers against the Tebowers??? Madness! This could really unite the fans after we trade him after this year.

[dmarz45]

Tim will do nothing to hurt the jets but his fans will want him at the helm and i won't lie i am one of them..as long as Mark does his job i will keep my mouth shut and cheer the jets on..but let him personally lose a game and y'all will here me all the way from Florida wanting Tim to have a chance to prove and improve!!

Ok if you're from flordia why dont you be a Dolphins, Bucs, or Jags fan??? Or just keep rolling with the Broncos, they look good this year. No need to be a bandwagon fan......

[Zach]

I am not thrilled with this acquisition...But he is a backup and better competition for Sanchez. We needed Sanchez to be on toes and hopefully he can.

But if you all feel Sanchez's confidence will break with Tebow here then what is the point of even having Sanchez out there during another rough stretch???
Go out there and play angry Sanchez and play with confidence...
Tebow hopefully plays as Brad Smith with some passing gadget plays and he can learn.

Tebow CHOSE THE JETS even after it was reported that he had a choice between Jags and Jets...He must have been informed about his role by Sparano, Rex, and Tanny...So let him come in here and be part of this team.

I didn't want Tebow-mania in NY because of the ridiculous media...But as a passionate and competitive person, he hopefully can inspire a strong mind-set in the locker room...

I'll support Tebow on the Jets...Anyone else?

Oh sure. I will support Tebow - he is a Jet now.

I will not support that jackass capologist impersonating GM up top somewhere around though.

[dmarz45]

Why do people insist on having a favorite player instead of a favorite team? Just pick a fucking team and stick with it, like most of us here have. On the other hand, maybe some of these bandwagoners can see the horror & frustration of being a real Jet fan.

[Saint Chez]

Reaction to trading for Tebow...

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very similar to my reaction as well...

[Jets1Zero]

If he wears the Green and White, he has my support. It also helps that he's a pretty admirable human being and an exceptional athlete.

[Hobbes3259]

I know we have several threads..But isn't this the real question?

Stanton has been buried at 3 on the Lions Depth chart, Hasn't lead a team to the playoffs, has no playoff appearances, let alone wins...

And I'm certain Tebow had better college stats...


Tebow

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Stanton..

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Who had the better QBR?

The question isn't Tebow/Sanchez, It's Tebow/Stanton..

Until Tebow was finally acquired Wednesday night, the newly signed Stanton was right behind Sanchez on the depth chart. There's no doubt the former Detroit Lion represents an upgrade on the mummified remains of Mark Brunell. There's also no doubt that Tebow, already a postseason winner, represents an upgrade on Stanton. If Sanchez goes down for an extended period of time, Tebow's Jets will stand a reasonable chance of making the playoffs, and Stanton's Jets will not.

If Sanchez stays upright, Tebow would offer a dimension off the bench that would complicate things for opposing defenses. Tony Sparano, offensive coordinator, is a founding father of the Wildcat formation, making him the right guy to get the most out of a specialist like Tebow.

That's what Tebow is -- a specialist, the world's most famous role player. There's nothing wrong with that.

Maybe he gets five or six snaps a game, tops, to do for the Jets what he did against them on that final, fateful drive in mid-November. And maybe those snaps are the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.

[dmarz45]

yea this is definitely the real question bro.... Stanton is a goner, no questions needed.

[VanderbiltJets]

The question isn't Tebow/Sanchez, It's Tebow/Stanton..

Wait... what?

[TimeSquareTim]

Tebow's qbr wiil only go up now that he has better offensive weapons.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

I don't know much about Drew Stanton but I'm guess he can actually, you know, THROW the football.

[JetBlue]

he isn't. he is an upgrade.

If Sanchez goes down, I would gladly win Tebow ugly, but some people seem to prefer to lose with a average to below average pocket passer, and that is what we would do with Stanton, just to spite themselves so they don't have to root for Tebow.

[CowboysFan]

well Tebow is the NFL's #1 red zone threat (statistically) and has playoff experience, ice water veins in the clutch and has never had a losing record as a starter at any level. Heisman, 2 NCAA championships, many SEC Rushing AND passing records.

Stanton is well not sure what to write down...

[laxin]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

That is absolutely brilliant.

[TimeSquareTim]

I don't know much about Drew Stanton but I'm guess he can actually, you know, THROW the football.
I'm sure he can checkdown just as well as Mark.

[Poeman]

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[CowboysFan]

I don't know much about Drew Stanton but I'm guess he can actually, you know, THROW the football.

apparently he does not pass better than Tebow

Career QBR measuring only passing stats

Tebow QBR 75.1

Stanton QBR 63.1

[JetBlue]

.

Stanton is well not sure what to write down...
his incompletions look better and he stays in the pocket to get sacked or simply throws the ball away when he can't find an open receiver rather than possessing the ability to run and make a play.

that's apparently a positive to some Jets fans and a preferred trait.

[Cman55]

I'm sure he can checkdown just as well as Mark.

We had 3 other stiffs on the roster that could do exactly that without the 2.5mil cap hit.

With the passing attack pretty much relegated to an afterthought, it doesn't really matter if Tebow can throw or not. The FO/CS had no intentions on letting Sanchez throw the ball much anyway. If I were Holmes, I'd ask for a trade just to get to a team with a downfield game instead of the 3 runs and a cloud of dust offense we're probably gonna see.

[Phear]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

I second this. Mr. E's head might explode though.

[laxin]

I second this. Mr. E's head might explode though.

Maybe he’ll jump in a fire to put himself out of his misery?

[Cman55]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

I'm not saying that's an option that may have been considered.......

[Saint Chez]

in a best case scenario this what we will get in a Sanchez-Tebow relationship:
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[raortega3]

I don't like the idea, i support the jets, so I support him.

I couldn't care less if he feels the need to pray or whatever else he enjoys doing in the public eye, i just want the jets to win. I don't necessarily see this move accomplishing that any better than not having made the move. I see it as potentially harming Sanchez's development, even if Sanchez still improves - it may be at a lesser rate with Tebow around. Gimmicks don't last. The wildcat is a gimmick. Once you can plan for it, it is worthless.

[Nilton]

Hopefully by winning, and not in a flashy way, will bring is the trophy regardless of who leads us there. lol

Considering the league..is well..a passing league.

[Hobbes3259]

I don't know much about Drew Stanton but I'm guess he can actually, you know, THROW the football.

Not according to their stats.

[colleen74]

Can we advertise the "other" board so that some of these Munegins-types go there?

Seriously. Can we? This next year is going freaking exhaustingly irritating.

[Cman55]

DUDE. seriously. You gotta bring it down about 50 notches bro. You are sooooooo over-stating this entire transaction. You'll never embrace what exactly? Runnin some wildcat plays? The fact that Woody is gonna sell some extra jerseys? We're never gonna recover form giving up a 4th round pick??
The fan base is fractured like the rest of teh country? Hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

Serioulsy man, ummm we will get past this. The sun will come up tomorrow. i promise.

We got a great kid, high character guy, cant throw for cok but he can run a little and make things difficult on a defense. Thats all bro.

Honestly Johnny, my day doesn't start or stop with what happens with this circus of a franchise. Those days are long gone for me. The Owner and FO want headlines? They got headlines. They want to boost PSL sales? Check. They want to innovate the modern NFL offense by using the GnP and WildCat? Since so many other teams have done it, its a sure fire winner. It wouldn't surprise me if they try to bring back the single wing or the Statue of Liberty Play. Lets pretend that the NFL isn't a QB driven league and ground and pound really works when up against 8 in the box regularly. Lets pretend not having a elite QB or OLine or pass rush is fine as long as we fill the stadium and sell the swag.

As far as I'm concerned, if there's Jet fans that are ok with being the joke of the NFL, great. But there's gonna be the rest of us that still want a franchise to be proud of. Say hello to the division in the fan base as I am not alone.

We've been getting past things for 43 years running w/o a sniff of a SB but hey, as long as the FO makes any move at all, no matter what, its all good. Pass the koolaid and might as well spike it with Stoly. Should make watching the Jet offense this year bearable.

[whichfan]

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He's entering his 4th year. Just who in the world gets 4 years to "develop"?

You get one season as a rookie or first year starter. After that you "get better". You don't "develop". And if you lose you get pulled.

And let's be honest about another thing. Tebowmania mainly happened in the NFL due to Orton. Dude sucks. And sucks ass. He got 5 games he sucked. Tebow took over and made the playoffs.

What exactly is the problem?

[UncleTomNYJ]

Is it just me or is it everybody else hate this made up stat by ESPN (QBR). I think it sucks and is just being shoved down NFL fans throats because it made by ESPN. Fuck QBR

Intangibles all the way towards Tebow. Better pressure on Sanchez well thats Tebow as well.

Stanton was a backup who never was going to be a threat to Sanchez.

IMO Tebow is better suited for backup in pure terms of pushing Sanchez. As long as Tebowmania doesn't get to out of control. (Which it will unfortunately)

[Hobbes3259]

We had 3 other stiffs on the roster that could do exactly that without the 2.5mil cap hit.

With the passing attack pretty much relegated to an afterthought, it doesn't really matter if Tebow can throw or not. The FO/CS had no intentions on letting Sanchez throw the ball much anyway. If I were Holmes, I'd ask for a trade just to get to a team with a downfield game instead of the 3 runs and a cloud of dust offense we're probably gonna see.

Not to be...antagonistic, but we have not had a passing attack for 6 f*ng years

The lone exception being 11 weeks of Favre refusing to run a Schitty offense....

The stats dictate that Schooty takes 10 points off a Qb's QBR. If Sparano is half as worthy of The Godfather's faith in him, he'll tailor the plays to suit his talent. And Sanchez should have a year good enough to put this whole thing in the perspective that those of that see this as a reasonable move see it.

Sanchez should end up a middle of the pack passer in yardage, and a top 10 passer in QBR. Scoring may be a toss up, if we see lots of wildcat down close.

[Phear]

DUDE. seriously. You gotta bring it down about 50 notches bro. You are sooooooo over-stating this entire transaction. You'll never embrace what exactly? Runnin some wildcat plays? The fact that Woody is gonna sell some extra jerseys? We're never gonna recover form giving up a 4th round pick??
The fan base is fractured like the rest of teh country? Hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

Serioulsy man, ummm we will get past this. The sun will come up tomorrow. i promise.

We got a great kid, high character guy, cant throw for cok but he can run a little and make things difficult on a defense. Thats all bro.

You, just like many other don't get it. Most of us against this trade don't have a problem with the picks given up or Tim's role with the wild cat. It's all the baggage tebow brings with him, it will take one bad game from Sanchez before the rumblings from the Tebow fans start. 2 bad games and we'll have a split fan base. Has anything that tanny or Rex done in the past lead you to believe they will now how to handle the situation when half of the fans are chanting for Tebow to start? Can this work out? Sure, if we were a strong organization, are we? Nope

[Cman55]

This is turning into a real life episode of "Infested". Instead of roaches and spiders and snakes, we get Tebots. Freaking 21st century groupies who have no other function in life but to follow TT wherever he goes.

God really hates the Jets..

[raortega3]

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He's entering his 4th year. Just who in the world gets 4 years to "develop"?

You get one season as a rookie or first year starter. After that you "get better". You don't "develop". And if you lose you get pulled.

And let's be honest about another thing. Tebowmania mainly happened in the NFL due to Orton. Dude sucks. And sucks ass. He got 5 games he sucked. Tebow took over and made the playoffs.

What exactly is the problem?

People who have had 4 years total combined college and professional experience? People who come out of college have more experience than Sanchez has at the end of last season. I guess that's who. Not every situation is identical - so, that might be important to acknowledge.

[Hobbes3259]

Is it just me or is it everybody else hate this made up stat by ESPN (QBR). I think it sucks and is just being shoved down NFL fans throats because it made by ESPN. Fuck QBR

Intangibles all the way towards Tebow. Better pressure on Sanchez well thats Tebow as well.

Stanton was a backup who never was going to be a threat to Sanchez.

IMO Tebow is better suited for backup in pure terms of pushing Sanchez. As long as Tebowmania doesn't get to out of control. (Which it will unfortunately)

It's just you. The hate results from those who resent Tebow for WHO he is..Not what he is...(Heisman, 2 time Nat'l Champ, Winning NFL QB, Playoff winner). And better than the backup we already had. At EVERY LEVEL OF COMPETITION>

Pure Pre-ju-dice.

[Steelersrule]

10% the other way and it`s a split..........I`m surprised but I see a lot of new members stuffing the box..........I tip my hat to you guys.......never a dull moment and I am watching you guys.............I still consider the Jets a force to be reckoned with..........

[jets&rushfan]

Rex to Tanny (in my own acronyms)

Well some PAA in the GDLR might not be TFBAA

(positive attitude adjustment; gosh darn locker room, too friggin bad at all)

I was 6 yrs old the last time we were in the big game, I have seen alot that I don't want to remember but I still have hope.

That's my take on it. Peace

John 14:27 Be Blessed

[Cruz Control]

According to Adam Shefter, the Jets are looking into acquiring Colt McCoy

[Phear]

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He's entering his 4th year. Just who in the world gets 4 years to "develop"?

You get one season as a rookie or first year starter. After that you "get better". You don't "develop". And if you lose you get pulled.

And let's be honest about another thing. Tebowmania mainly happened in the NFL due to Orton. Dude sucks. And sucks ass. He got 5 games he sucked. Tebow took over and made the playoffs.

What exactly is the problem?

QBs not named Brady or Peyton take time to develope.

[CowboysFan]

Is it just me or is it everybody else hate this made up stat by ESPN (QBR). I think it sucks and is just being shoved down NFL fans throats because it made by ESPN. Fuck QBR

Intangibles all the way towards Tebow. Better pressure on Sanchez well thats Tebow as well.

Stanton was a backup who never was going to be a threat to Sanchez.

IMO Tebow is better suited for backup in pure terms of pushing Sanchez. As long as Tebowmania doesn't get to out of control. (Which it will unfortunately)

Tebowmania only starts if Sanchez completely tanks and if he tanks Tebow takes over and if Tebow takes over he leades the Jets to victory after a victory for a long streak when every analyst says it can not be happening.

that is a lot of ifs and even the end result is not bad.

The reality is the Jets scored a beast for a 4th rounder and Sanchez is gonna thrive and be better.

I like Tebow and think he can be effective in the right package/system but everyone is so underestimating Sanchez because he had one bad end of year.

They are both going to be fine.

[Cman55]

According to Adam Shefter, the Jets are looking into acquiring Colt McCoy

Funny, I heard Tannenbaum wanted to trade our 2nd round pick, and $10mil to Kansas City for the immortal Tyler Palko.

[NYJetsRevis24]

who cares about there college stats, they don't mean anything in the NFL, Peyton Manning had 36 TDs and 11 INT his final year in college, Sanchez had 34 TDS and 10 INT, and they both threw for over 3,000 yards that final year.Whos the better QB in the NFL??? no need to say more on this

[evojoe67]

We had 3 other stiffs on the roster that could do exactly that without the 2.5mil cap hit.

With the passing attack pretty much relegated to an afterthought, it doesn't really matter if Tebow can throw or not. The FO/CS had no intentions on letting Sanchez throw the ball much anyway. If I were Holmes, I'd ask for a trade just to get to a team with a downfield game instead of the 3 runs and a cloud of dust offense we're probably gonna see.

And we used to complain that Pennington was a dink and dunk QB.

[CowboysFan]

who cares about there college stats, they don't mean anything in the nfl

Good point

Career NFL QBR measuring only passing stats

Tebow QBR 75.1

Stanton QBR 63.1

[Green Lantern]

Who's Drew Stanton?

[JetBlue]

who cares about there college stats, they don't mean anything in the nfl
nobody is saying they do. but they do indicate ability when used in conjunction with NFL stats.

[whichfan]

Phear, I'm sorry but that's not how it works. Or this thread wouldn't exist. Most guys get their one shot, and that's it.

In fact you got it backwards. Only quarterbacks like Manning actually get time to develop. The ones you have enough reason to believe will turn out special. The remaining players get tried out, if they do good you run with them, if they don't...NEXT MAN UP!

The NFL has always been and will always be NEXT MAN UP!

[Rawrk]

:rofl2: at anyone who would pick stanton over tebow.

with one drive to win the game.. who do you go with?

[Run_N_gun10]

STANTON.....SUCKS...:metal:

[Hobbes3259]

:rofl2: at anyone who would pick stanton over tebow.

with one drive to win the game.. who do you go with?

^ That..Nuff said?


So Full of Win, dude!

[Cakes]

People who have had 4 years total combined college and professional experience? People who come out of college have more experience than Sanchez has at the end of last season. I guess that's who. Not every situation is identical - so, that might be important to acknowledge.

When does the inexperience excuse stop? Before his 9th year, 10th year or 11th year? I know it is one of those three, but I just don't know which one exactly.

[Phear]

Phear, I'm sorry but that's not how it works. Or this thread wouldn't exist. Most guys get their one shot, and that's it.

In fact you got it backwards. Only quarterbacks like Manning actually get time to develop. The ones you have enough reason to believe will turn out special. The remaining players get tried out, if they do good you run with them, if they don't...NEXT MAN UP!

The NFL has always been and will always be NEXT MAN UP!

Lol, Sanchez has improved every year. Tim Tebow is not a better NFL QB than Mark Sanchez, period. If Tebow was so good Denver does not trade him.

[Hobbes3259]

who cares about there college stats, they don't mean anything in the NFL, Peyton Manning had 36 TDs and 11 INT his final year in college, Sanchez had 34 TDS and 10 INT, and they both threw for over 3,000 yards that final year.Whos the better QB in the NFL??? no need to say more on this

Their.

Ok. Good Point. Who had Tom Moore, and Pro Father, and Who had Brian Schottenheimer.

And..If you go by playoff wins and records, at similar points in their career, the UNEQUIVOCAL answer, is Mark Sanchez. Manning had a higher QBR, but played in a better offense. Sanchez had 2 playoff appearances and 4 road playoff wins (Including..beating..ahem Manning in his own house)

Of Course it might be a stretch asking you to make apples and apples comparisons. ...

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The past two weeks, Sanchez has outplayed Peyton Manning and Tom Brady to help the Jets advance.

[dcm1602]

While I truly do not like this trade, the truth is we only gave up a 4th round pick and a tiny bit of cap space for him (even less if we can get Stanton off the books).

But the one saving grace is Tebow is still under a rookie contract, and for 3 more years at that.

Considering that he only played 1 year (well 1 year getting notable playing time), and has reasonable potential upside, do you think that Tanny actually thought this through ?

Look at the bounty that the Eagles got for Kolb, and he sucks. Plus his contract was an absolute mess.

Do you think it could be the plan to have Tebow getting his 10ish snaps a game, possibly more depending on Sanchez, while working his ass off to earn a starting job.

Then after the season we can just turn around and actively shop him ?

I mean Kolb got a bounty, Brandon Marshall is a WR and a complete shit head sleezeball and he got two 3rd round picks. If Tebow progresses at even a mediocre rate (3rd year is supposed to be the magic year for QBs after all), we might actually get a killing on him.

I mean hes a 24 year old playing the most important position in all of sports, who already had a winning season, and is considered an OUTSTANDING character guy. All that and the fact that he has an incredibly cap friendly contract, I truly think that its completely reasonable that we could get at least 2 decent draft picks for him in either 1 or 2 seasons.

Obviously there are tons of things that could go wrong, but with how desperate teams are for QBs these days, this might really workout.

[whichfan]

I disagree. Tebow IS a better NFL QB. He's just not a better passer....yet.

But even as a passer, Tebow's PROVED, in the NFL, he has a higher ceiling.

149.5 Passer Rating as a FIRST YEAR starter?
125.6 Passer rating in the playoffs, including an overtime win?
6 4th quarter comebacks?
Clutch factor?

Sanchez never did that. Come on dude!

Give the guy credit. He was inconsistent, but he HAS put up more impressive numbers, AS A PASSER, than Sanchez. He was 3 points away from a PERFECT PASSER rating.

Peyton NEVER had a 149.5 passer rating as a first year starter.

Don't deny the fact that as an NFL quarterback, we look for consistency and passing ability, but considering the fact we DON'T have such a thing as a 4th quarter closer in the NFL(which I think we should btw), then we all agree if a quarterback doesn't have the clutch factor, the 4th quarter comeback ability, he's useless no matter how consistent he is.

And if there's one thing at least Tebow has proved, is that he is FANTASTIC in the 4th quarter, both as a passer, quarterback, leader, clutch factor etc.

Tebow has, at the very least, proved, he has those qualities that are hardest to find in a successful NFL quarterback.

PS: And there's that whole protecting the football and interception thing, which Tebow is one of the best in the game at. Tebow goes out of his way, just so he won't throw an interception. That's part of the reason his numbers look bad, but in more cases than not, he avoids the terrible pass that ends up in an interception and costs you the football game. That's huge. Most guys choke, fumble around and feel the pressure to throw...and they throw a bad pass. Tebow has no problem with NOT throwing and throwing the ball away or taking a sack. ;)

[Hobbes3259]

This is turning into a real life episode of "Infested". Instead of roaches and spiders and snakes, we get Tebots. Freaking 21st century groupies who have no other function in life but to follow TT wherever he goes.

God really hates the Jets..

I gotta keep asking...You just picked up a two time national champion, Heisman trophy winner, winning NFL starter, Playoff winner, for essentially a 4th round draft pick, to replace a guy that's been buried at #3 on the...:rofl2: Detroit Lions depth chart for years....and your problem is what exactly?

Guy takes a 1-4 team to a division title, and a playoff victory, in a stadium we never could..and we're complaining.


TO quote another poster.

IF THE AVERAGE JETS FAN FOUND A BAG FULL OF 20's HE'D COMPLAIN THAT THEY WEREN'T 50's

[Hobbes3259]

The question isn't Tebow/Sanchez, It's Tebow/Stanton..

Wait... what?

I'm sorry, which word didn't you understand????

ESL student?

[Rawrk]

i don't see how his value goes up playing for us.

he just turned around a team, led them to the playoffs and a win as a starting qb. now he's a backup qb, gadget something.. either way, it is a drastically reduced role. even if he does well, he's not going to be seen as any more of a potential franchise qb than he was this offseason.

i also think kolb really messed things up for the lightning in a bottle backup qbs. flynn is the first one who suffered. marshall is a proven commodity. he's a nutcase but he's a really good receiver when the pro bowl brandon marshall alter ego is the one controlling the body.

[Saint Chez]

I disagree. Tebow IS a better NFL QB. He's just not a better passer....yet.

But even as a passer, Tebow's PROVED, in the NFL, he has a higher ceiling.

149.5 Passer Rating as a FIRST YEAR starter?
125.6 Passer rating in the playoffs, including an overtime win?
6 4th quarter comebacks?
Clutch factor?

Sanchez never did that. Come on dude!

Give the guy credit. He was inconsistent, but he HAS put up more impressive numbers, AS A PASSER, than Sanchez. He was 3 points away from a PERFECT PASSER rating.

Peyton NEVER had a 149.5 passer rating as a first year starter.

Don't deny the fact that as an NFL quarterback, we look for consistency and passing ability, but considering the fact we DON'T have such a thing as a 4th quarter closer in the NFL(which I think we should btw), then we all agree if a quarterback doesn't have the clutch factor, the 4th quarter comeback ability, he's useless no matter how consistent he is.

And if there's one thing at least Tebow has proved, is that he is FANTASTIC in the 4th quarter, both as a passer, quarterback, leader, clutch factor etc.

Tebow has, at the very least, proved, he has those qualities that are hardest to find in a successful NFL quarterback.

not clutch? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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comebacks he actually manufactured not by his defense or field goal kicker...he also has a high passer rating in the playoffs.. and hes played in over twice as many playoff games Tebow has..

[Rawrk]

sanchez has 9 4th quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives.

he also has more playoff victories, and had more in his rookie season than tebow did.

that is not a good argument to prove tebow is better than sanchez.

qbr means nothing when tim tebow achieved 149.5 rating while completing 10 passes.

[raortega3]

I gotta keep asking...You just picked up a two time national champion, Heisman trophy winner, winning NFL starter, Playoff winner, for essentially a 4th round draft pick, to replace a guy that's been buried at #3 on the...:rofl2: Detroit Lions depth chart for years....and your problem is what exactly?

Guy takes a 1-4 team to a division title, and a playoff victory, in a stadium we never could..and we're complaining.


TO quote another poster.

IF THE AVERAGE JETS FAN FOUND A BAG FULL OF 20's HE'D COMPLAIN THAT THEY WEREN'T 50's


No - This is like having money in a CD, some guy coming along claiming he can, at a higher risk, potentially get a better return on your money in a new invention that wow'ed people at a demonstration in Times Square, taking your money and investing it in the new invention. Sure, it could work out, but was it worth the risk? Also, did the sample size of people in Times Square really provide enough information to determine the future success of the investment going forward?

[whichfan]

sanchez has 9 4th quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives.

he also has more playoff victories, and had more in his rookie season than tebow did.

that is not a good argument to prove tebow is better than sanchez.

qbr means nothing when tim tebow achieved 149.5 rating while completing 10 passes.

In 3 years. And I was talking about passing numbers. It's a fact. Sanchez has never put up a 149.5 passer rating or 125.6 passer rating in the playoffs in over time.

Tebow's already put together a more complete passing game compared to Sanchez. You can't overlook that. We saw it against Minnesota. And we saw it under the greatest of pressure in over time against the Steelers.

As far as ceiling goes, what I saw from Tebow as a passer and Sanchez, Tebow has already shown more. Sanchez's best rating in his career was 139.4.

Tebow's done better in the playoffs and blew it away in the regular season.

Again, don't buy into the idiots who say Tebow can't do it. He CAN do it. He hasn't done it consistently. Big difference. And there are a lot of reasons, besides Tebow, why he was inconsistent.

PS: I bet you at some point next year, Tebow will put up a perfect passer rating. And people will go ape crazy.

[raortega3]

In 3 years. And I was talking about passing numbers. It's a fact. Sanchez has never put up a 149.5 passer rating or 125.6 passer rating in the playoffs.

Tebow's already put together a more complete passing game compared to Sanchez. You can't overlook that. We saw it against Minnesota. And we saw it under the greatest of pressure in over time against the Steelers.

As far as ceiling goes, what I saw from Tebow as a passer and Sanchez, Tebow has already shown more. Sanchez's best rating in his career was 124.

Tebow's done better in the playoffs and blew it away in the regular season.

Again, don't buy into the idiots who say Tebow can't do it. He CAN do it. He hasn't done it consistently. Big difference. And there are a lot of reasons, besides Tebow, why he was inconsistent.

We get it. You're a jet fan because of Tebow. You joined because of Tebow.

[Nilton]

I don't see his value increasing..

[whichfan]

We get it. You're a jet fan because of Tebow. You joined because of Tebow.


Sure I did, and I already stated that, but it doesn't change the facts and the numbers.

Just because his name is Tebow it doesn't mean that when HE DOES put up a 149 passer rating, it should be discounted. He CAN do it. He has shown it.

[SanityRemoved]

If you give him 10 snaps per game, you have to allow for somewhere in the 60 - 80% range that they will involve him running. That leaves you with 2 - 4 snaps that will either be handed off or thrown. It doesn't leave enough pass attempts for another team to be sure of his passing abilities and would be a serious gamble.

[Hobbes3259]

While I truly do not like this trade, the truth is we only gave up a 4th round pick and a tiny bit of cap space for him (even less if we can get Stanton off the books).

But the one saving grace is Tebow is still under a rookie contract, and for 3 more years at that.

Considering that he only played 1 year (well 1 year getting notable playing time), and has reasonable potential upside, do you think that Tanny actually thought this through ?

Look at the bounty that the Eagles got for Kolb, and he sucks. Plus his contract was an absolute mess.

Do you think it could be the plan to have Tebow getting his 10ish snaps a game, possibly more depending on Sanchez, while working his ass off to earn a starting job.

Then after the season we can just turn around and actively shop him ?

I mean Kolb got a bounty, Brandon Marshall is a WR and a complete shit head sleezeball and he got two 3rd round picks. If Tebow progresses at even a mediocre rate (3rd year is supposed to be the magic year for QBs after all), we might actually get a killing on him.

I mean hes a 24 year old playing the most important position in all of sports, who already had a winning season, and is considered an OUTSTANDING character guy. All that and the fact that he has an incredibly cap friendly contract, I truly think that its completely reasonable that we could get at least 2 decent draft picks for him in either 1 or 2 seasons.

Obviously there are tons of things that could go wrong, but with how desperate teams are for QBs these days, this might really workout.


The plan?


You must like checkers.


There more than 4 different ways this could go. One of those is Tebow shows enough in limited snaps to recoup a bounty.


He could also be great at the WC, (ala Brad smith) and depart via FA.

Or Could become part of the organization, get paid as a better than backup, and stay on despite the above, because he likes it here, and we win...

Or He could get a shot like Steve Young did, and shine in the spotlight long term.

Plan? One destination?

[MikeDevito]

I think we flip him to jax next year

[Saint Chez]

oh god yes please...please god make it so...damn tebowites got to me already...gettin all religious and stuff..

[ace_o_spades]

m night shyamalan would approve of this twist

[Barcs]

The fact of the matter is that Sanchez has improved in all 3 years he's been in the NFL. It is the OFFENSIVE LINE that has regressed each year. Sanchez is going to be the dominant starter, there won't even be a competition. Tebow will do his wildcat thing and Mark will manage the passing game. That's how it's gonna be. I'm confident in his ability and leadership.

[Phear]

In 3 years. And I was talking about passing numbers. It's a fact. Sanchez has never put up a 149.5 passer rating or 125.6 passer rating in the playoffs in over time.

Tebow's already put together a more complete passing game compared to Sanchez. You can't overlook that. We saw it against Minnesota. And we saw it under the greatest of pressure in over time against the Steelers.

As far as ceiling goes, what I saw from Tebow as a passer and Sanchez, Tebow has already shown more. Sanchez's best rating in his career was 124.

Tebow's done better in the playoffs and blew it away in the regular season.

Again, don't buy into the idiots who say Tebow can't do it. He CAN do it. He hasn't done it consistently. Big difference. And there are a lot of reasons, besides Tebow, why he was inconsistent.

PS: I bet you at some point next year, Tebow will put up a perfect passer rating. And people will go ape crazy.

Umm, Sanchez is 6th all time in the NFL as far as post season passer rating is concerned. You fail.

[Jetaho]

I don't see his value increasing..

Not unless he improves in mechanics, takes over for Sanchez, shows he can make all the throws while protecting the football, and wins a bunch. Doing all of those things is a tough ask, and if he gets that done, I can't see why we would trade him.

[raortega3]

Sure I did, and I already stated that, but it doesn't change the facts and the numbers.

Just because his name is Tebow it doesn't mean that when HE DOES put up a 149 passer rating, it should be discounted. He CAN do it. He has shown it.

Just a heads up - this team has had Brett Favre as its QB. Absolutely nothing happened that year.

What you think makes sense, makes no sense in green and white.
I have been a fan since '96, shorter than a lot of people here. However, there has been very little to celebrate in that time. I hope your experience is different.

[jonnyd]

oh god yes please...please god make it so...damn tebowites got to me already...gettin all religious and stuff..

You hate religious people but your username is Saint Chez

[Jake]

Holy fuck I am rooting for Nacho more than ever before. Get it done Mark.

[Jake]

I wish. No chance, Woody wants to make cashola.

[Rawrk]

In 3 years. And I was talking about passing numbers. It's a fact. Sanchez has never put up a 149.5 passer rating or 125.6 passer rating in the playoffs.

Tebow's already put together a more complete passing game compared to Sanchez. You can't overlook that. We saw it against Minnesota. And we saw it under the greatest of pressure in over time against the Steelers.

As far as ceiling goes, what I saw from Tebow as a passer and Sanchez, Tebow has already shown more. Sanchez's best rating in his career was 124.

Tebow's done better in the playoffs and blew it away in the regular season.

Again, don't buy into the idiots who say Tebow can't do it. He CAN do it. He hasn't done it consistently. Big difference. And there are a lot of reasons, besides Tebow, why he was inconsistent.

PS: I bet you at some point next year, Tebow will put up a perfect passer rating. And people will go ape crazy.

10 completions = 149.5 qbr. that's really all you need to know that qbr is flawed. tebow's qbr this season was 72.9. sanchez's qbr was 78.2. sp using your favorite stat.......

tebow has never thrown for 4 touchdowns in a game. in fact, he's never even thrown for 3. he has never thrown for more than 300 yards in a regular season game. tebow has never won 2 playoff games. this is a really stupid game.

a divisional playoff game is not the "greatest of pressure."

i like the fact tebow is here. but to claim he has put together a more complete passing game than sanchez is ridiculous.

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[Jake]

^No man he had a perfect rating after 5 throws so therefore he's capable of carving defenses up.

[Saint Chez]

Holy fuck I am rooting for Nacho more than ever before. Get it done Mark.

He better be just as pissed as i am pissed for him. He better do so well that by week 5 people forget that Tebow is on the team. Then we trade Tebow and his cult to Jax when they're begging for a half-way decent qb and ticket sales.

[Barcs]

Stop lying about Tebow's passer rating. He had 75 last year and 82 the year before. OMG regression! LOL. David akers had a 150 passer rating last season. Don't bet the farm on it. Call me when Tebow can get more than 150 yards a game.