Good McNight, Joe

[nyjunc]

Bullshit. Ducasse was never intended to be the starter this year.

He absolutely was w/ him then moving to RT next year taking over for Woody. They wanted Ducasse to win the job, if they didn't they wouldn't have waited so long to name the starter.

[rex-N-effects]

He absolutely was w/ him then moving to RT next year taking over for Woody. They wanted Ducasse to win the job, if they didn't they wouldn't have waited so long to name the starter.

Ducasse was never drafted to play tackle. he was drafted to take over as the LG permanently. he didn't project well as a tackle in the NFL even though he played tackle in college

[NDmick]

He absolutely was w/ him then moving to RT next year taking over for Woody. They wanted Ducasse to win the job, if they didn't they wouldn't have waited so long to name the starter.
There was a competiton.

Ducasse lost it after the 2nd preseason game.

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He absolutely was w/ him then moving to RT next year taking over for Woody. They wanted Ducasse to win the job, if they didn't they wouldn't have waited so long to name the starter.

Ducasse was never drafted to play tackle. he was drafted to take over as the LG permanently. he didn't project well as a tackle in the NFL even though he played tackle in college

It's not often that you see two posts that are equally wrong and disagree so strongly with each other.

Ducasse was drafted as an OL prospect. Not necessarily as a tackle, not necessarily as a guard. His best fit position was obviously at RT, but they felt when they drafted him that with his tools, he may be able to step in at LG instead if he developed quickly and if Slauson struggled. Having him play RT wasn't an inevitability, it was the reason why he was a solid pick even if he couldn't handle the LG position.

Then Slauson stepped up in the preseason and outplayed Ducasse, and the choice of where to play him became clear. There was nothing black and white about Ducasse's intended position when he was drafted, no matter how badly you want there to be.

[SackExchangeNYJ]

Even if one was to presume that at this moment, Faneca is better than Slaussen - an arguable point - the fact remains that Slaussen is on an upswing of his career and Faneca is on the downside. That alone has to be taken into strong consideration.

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Our OL was struggling run blocking early last year but by late in the year and postseason we were humming and to have the same 5 back would have been huge. I hope this Ol becomes at least as good as we were at the end of last year. We'll see.


He would have beat out Smith at KR, he's a better KR(even off the injury) than Smith.

Maybe I'm giving Faneca too much credit, I hear the way our C and LT talked about him and I think he deserves plenty of credit but we're not in the LR so we don't know the exact impact he had.


I wasn't against letting Faneca go, I was against letting him go w/o having someone ready to step in. When they made the move the thought Ducasse was going to be the starter but that didn't work out and they fell back to Slauson. I think it was wive to dump him this offseason and get rid of that salary before the cap came back BUT not w/o having a someone ready to play and clearly Slauson/Ducasse were not ready. It appears Slauson is getting better and I hope that continues but the plan was for Ducasse to play and I think if they knew Ducasse wasn't ready they might have held onto him.

Why can't you see that this move wasn't about run blocking? It was about pass blocking, where Faneca was terrible. Slauson has absolutely been an improvement there, and he's been improving in every game. The FO wanted to ensure Sanchez's development by shoring up his protection. The improved pass protection has been a big part of his improved play this season. The run blocking hasn't been as good when we've run plays with a designed pull by Slauson, but that's a mental development issue. He'll improve in that regard, and we'll likely end up with a better line in all facets by the end of the season. I'm absolutely shocked that you have no clue how badly Faneca has degenerated.

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And for the record, we have a higher YPC average already this season running the ball than we did last season. Part of that is attributable to a natural decline in numbers with more carries, but an even bigger reason is that we found ways to improve our run game even WITHOUT that one positive aspect of Faneca's game, and in the process were able to improve our pass blocking by leaps and bounds. The 'sacrifice' of Faneca's pulls has been more than offset by the time afforded Sanchez in the pocket. Or would you rather trade his development for better run blocking on about 1/3 of the plays?

[ukilledkenny]

Why can't you see that this move wasn't about run blocking? It was about pass blocking, where Faneca was terrible. Slauson has absolutely been an improvement there, and he's been improving in every game. The FO wanted to ensure Sanchez's development by shoring up his protection. The improved pass protection has been a big part of his improved play this season. The run blocking hasn't been as good when we've run plays with a designed pull by Slauson, but that's a mental development issue. He'll improve in that regard, and we'll likely end up with a better line in all facets by the end of the season. I'm absolutely shocked that you have no clue how badly Faneca has degenerated.

Allow me.


I never said anything about pass blocking. I was specifically talking about run blocking, I think you need to learn to read. I'm not saying Slauson won't be better for us down the road but right now Faneca would make the Jets better. Why do you need to trash all the players the Jets let go?

But somehow stretch this into at least 3 paragraphs.

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Allow me.


I never said anything about pass blocking. I was specifically talking about run blocking, I think you need to learn to read. I'm not saying Slauson won't be better for us down the road but right now Faneca would make the Jets better. Why do you need to trash all the players the Jets let go?

But somehow stretch this into at least 3 paragraphs.

Excellent job, juncilledkenny.

[nyjunc]

Ducasse was never drafted to play tackle. he was drafted to take over as the LG permanently. he didn't project well as a tackle in the NFL even though he played tackle in college

he was drafted to play LG then slide over to RT, that is still the plan.

It's not often that you see two posts that are equally wrong and disagree so strongly with each other.

Ducasse was drafted as an OL prospect. Not necessarily as a tackle, not necessarily as a guard. His best fit position was obviously at RT, but they felt when they drafted him that with his tools, he may be able to step in at LG instead if he developed quickly and if Slauson struggled. Having him play RT wasn't an inevitability, it was the reason why he was a solid pick even if he couldn't handle the LG position.

Then Slauson stepped up in the preseason and outplayed Ducasse, and the choice of where to play him became clear. There was nothing black and white about Ducasse's intended position when he was drafted, no matter how badly you want there to be.

Slauson did nothing to win the job as much as Ducasse lost it. Ducasse was drafted w/ the idea he would work in at LG this year and take over at RT eventually.

Why can't you see that this move wasn't about run blocking? It was about pass blocking, where Faneca was terrible. Slauson has absolutely been an improvement there, and he's been improving in every game. The FO wanted to ensure Sanchez's development by shoring up his protection. The improved pass protection has been a big part of his improved play this season. The run blocking hasn't been as good when we've run plays with a designed pull by Slauson, but that's a mental development issue. He'll improve in that regard, and we'll likely end up with a better line in all facets by the end of the season. I'm absolutely shocked that you have no clue how badly Faneca has degenerated.

Our pass blocking was fine. The problems we had most last year w/ pass blocking came w/ a rookie QB being indecisive.

[IATA]

Slauson did nothing to win the job as much as Ducasse lost it. Ducasse was drafted w/ the idea he would work in at LG this year and take over at RT eventually.




Proove it.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

i love how junc tells everyone they have no idea how the OL grades without the coaches tape but then goes on to give his opinions as if theyre fact all about the oline. even better he claims to know the jets exact plan for vlad ... as if thats something fans would know.

this thread is a joke.

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he was drafted to play LG then slide over to RT, that is still the plan.

How is that still the plan (playing LG right now) if he came in at RT in the game on Sunday? You did watch the game, didn't you? He was elevated to the active 45 when Hunter was hurt, signaling that they want him to backup the tackles NOW.

Of course, for some reason you think it makes more sense to quickly develop him to play a completely unnatural position and then move him back immediately after. It couldn't possibly be that they felt he was capable of playing either one and planned to SEE if he could win the job over Slauson before deciding where to develop him.

Our pass blocking was fine. The problems we had most last year w/ pass blocking came w/ a rookie QB being indecisive.

Our pass blocking was fine because Mangold and Brick constantly covered for Faneca. They haven't had to do that as much this season, which is why our pass blocking has been better than fine. I know you'd rather make excuses rather than rewatch games and try to analyze line play, but that doesn't mean you have to be foolish about our personnel.

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i love how junc tells everyone they have no idea how the OL grades without the coaches tape but then goes on to give his opinions as if theyre fact all about the oline. even better he claims to know the jets exact plan for vlad ... as if thats something fans would know.

junc is a joke.

Fixed your post. He's become little more than a troll now. The only reason to keep discussing this with him is a love for making trolls look like fools. He's little more than TBJF at this point.

[IATA]

Plus it's an easy way to get your post count up!

[ukilledkenny]

Plus it's an easy way to get your post count up!

Shit, someone finally figured out why I have been arguing with him more the last two weeks.

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Shit, someone finally figured out why I have been arguing with him more the last two weeks.

I'm trying to hit 10,000 before Monday :)

You also see why junc is so frequently willing to continue arguments that make him look like an idiot. 30,000 posts and counting. I couldn't personally sink so low as to act the fool for a post count, but to each his own.

[ukilledkenny]

I'm trying to hit 10,000 before Monday :)

You also see why junc is so frequently willing to continue arguments that make him look like an idiot. 30,000 posts and counting. I couldn't personally sink so low as to act the fool for a post count, but to each his own.

I need enough posts to get first dibs on an adpot a jet next year.

[Hobbes3259]

I'm trying to hit 10,000 before Monday :)



Let me help you.

Danny Woodhead is averaging 7.1 YPC and a TD per game.

His career average per carry is 5.46.

That's why joe McKnight sucks, and will never be as good a pro as White Chocolate...

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Let me help you.

Danny Woodhead is averaging 7.1 YPC and a TD per game.

His career average per carry is 5.46.

That's why joe McKnight sucks, and will never be as good a pro as White Chocolate...

LOL. You can't bait me with that one since I said as soon as Woodhead signed that he'd be excellent with the Patriots. Hmm...someone should bump that thread with all the 'gamesmanship' and 'he'll be cut on Monday' posts.

[nyjunc]

i love how junc tells everyone they have no idea how the OL grades without the coaches tape but then goes on to give his opinions as if theyre fact all about the oline. even better he claims to know the jets exact plan for vlad ... as if thats something fans would know.

this thread is a joke.

This thread is a joke, it's all Jet fans who throw away their former players. If leon was here and signed long tern we'd hear how great he is and if McKnight was a dolphin we'd hear how awful he is.

It was common knowledge they expected Vlad to start at LG and eventually slide over to RT.

How is that still the plan (playing LG right now) if he came in at RT in the game on Sunday? You did watch the game, didn't you? He was elevated to the active 45 when Hunter was hurt, signaling that they want him to backup the tackles NOW.

Of course, for some reason you think it makes more sense to quickly develop him to play a completely unnatural position and then move him back immediately after. It couldn't possibly be that they felt he was capable of playing either one and planned to SEE if he could win the job over Slauson before deciding where to develop him.



Our pass blocking was fine because Mangold and Brick constantly covered for Faneca. They haven't had to do that as much this season, which is why our pass blocking has been better than fine. I know you'd rather make excuses rather than rewatch games and try to analyze line play, but that doesn't mean you have to be foolish about our personnel.

Moving to RT is still the plan. They thought they could start him at G as he transitions to the NFL before moving over to RT. They were wrong but as we know the Jets never make a mistake and we are not allowed to criticize anything the Jets do.

Our pass blocking has been good the last 2 weeks, it was awful the first two weeks.

We can re-watch games all day long, we still don't know the scheme. The only ones who can truly evaluate are the coahces w/ the coaches tape knowing the exact responsibilities of the OL.

I'm trying to hit 10,000 before Monday :)

You also see why junc is so frequently willing to continue arguments that make him look like an idiot. 30,000 posts and counting. I couldn't personally sink so low as to act the fool for a post count, but to each his own.

Stop w/ the childish insults. Just b/c the majority are against me does not mean I am wrong.

It's aamzing the amount of homers we have on here all of a sudden. No one can criticze anything the Jets have done b/c they do everything right.


As of TODAY we'd be better w/ faneca- any intelligent football fan knows this
As of TODAY we'd be better w/ Leon than McKnight

These are basic facts that all non homers can see. It's ok to admit the Jets could have made a mistake. Maybe they didn't? Maybe these moves work out long term? we don't know yet despite you guys pretending like you know.

[NDmick]

i love how junc tells everyone they have no idea how the OL grades without the coaches tape but then goes on to give his opinions as if theyre fact all about the oline. even better he claims to know the jets exact plan for vlad ... as if thats something fans would know.

this thread is a joke.
Ive been laughing all afternoon.

[ukilledkenny]

Damn, I nailed it.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

Plus it's an easy way to get your post count up!

ill be adopting a jet in no time!

[TommyGreen]

Fixed your post. He's become little more than a troll now. The only reason to keep discussing this with him is a love for making trolls look like fools. He's little more than TBJF at this point.

I've said it before. Junc is just a troll with a higher post count.

[legler82]

I'm too lazy to go back and read everything so I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is relevant but Slauson can play both guard positions. So if and/or when Ducasse stops being a liability we may have our left and right guards of the future. That would make 4/5 of our offensive line well under the age of 30.

[NDmick]

This thread is a joke, it's all Jet fans who throw away their former players.

I'm not married to a player. I am not a relative of a player. I don't represent a player.


I'm not soft enough to cry over missing blue collar hard workers. I don't see the positive in it.

I'll throw away as many replaceable players that I can. If you notice, I love the irreplaceable ones - like Mark Sanchez.

I also bought Leon's jersey after he left if it makes you feel better. Its my way of thanking him for his time here. But I don't miss him, its foolish.

[nyjunc]

I've said it before. Junc is just a troll with a higher post count.

what exactly do you contribute to this board? You guys all crack me up, I love when folks try to gang up on me to make themselves feel better.

It's embarrassing that we have this many homer Jet fans on here now, when did this happen?

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This thread is a joke, it's all Jet fans who throw away their former players. If leon was here and signed long tern we'd hear how great he is and if McKnight was a dolphin we'd hear how awful he is.

It was common knowledge they expected Vlad to start at LG and eventually slide over to RT.

That's a stupid argument. Leon was injured last season, making it an impossibility that we would have signed him long term. If they had, I'd most certainly be criticizing the move. I DO like Leon, and I DO think he's a great kick returner. That was never the issue, Junc Quixote, even though you've tried to claim that. As I said, he's a marginal improvement over Smith in a facet of the game that makes a game changing impact (in Leon's case) 6 times over his career. That's 4.7% of the time he touches the ball on ST, which is already a low number to begin with given our defense.

You're right, I'd rather have the guy with the potential to help us long term running the ball.

Moving to RT is still the plan. They thought they could start him at G as he transitions to the NFL before moving over to RT. They were wrong but as we know the Jets never make a mistake and we are not allowed to criticize anything the Jets do.

Funny. The team never once said that he was the starter at guard. They said he was coming into a competition, which I acknowledged. You made him the presumptive starter, which was NEVER stated.

The Jets make mistakes. I've criticized the Jets in the past on plenty of occasions. If it were true that nobody on this site ever criticized the Jets, how could you explain Gholston?

Our pass blocking has been good the last 2 weeks, it was awful the first two weeks.

We can re-watch games all day long, we still don't know the scheme. The only ones who can truly evaluate are the coahces w/ the coaches tape knowing the exact responsibilities of the OL.

So, you can judge the OL. The rest of us who watch the OL can't. Got it.

Stop w/ the childish insults. Just b/c the majority are against me does not mean I am wrong.

It's aamzing the amount of homers we have on here all of a sudden. No one can criticze anything the Jets have done b/c they do everything right.


As of TODAY we'd be better w/ faneca- any intelligent football fan knows this
As of TODAY we'd be better w/ Leon than McKnight

These are basic facts that all non homers can see. It's ok to admit the Jets could have made a mistake. Maybe they didn't? Maybe these moves work out long term? we don't know yet despite you guys pretending like you know.

When you stop making the arguments of a child, I'll stop treating you like one. Every single post of yours in this thread has been idiotic. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, which I'm sure you realize and simply want to argue. That's fine. And you're right. The fact that everyone disagrees with you doesn't make you wrong. The fact that you're wrong makes you wrong.

[nyjunc]

I'm not married to a player. I am not a relative of a player. I don't represent a player.


I'm not soft enough to cry over missing blue collar hard workers. I don't see the positive in it.

I'll throw away as many replaceable players that I can. If you notice, I love the irreplaceable ones - like Mark Sanchez.

I also bought Leon's jersey after he left if it makes you feel better. Its my way of thanking him for his time here. But I don't miss him, its foolish.


If sanchez was gone tomorrow you'd be bashing him and telling us how great Kellen Clemens will be in his place.

The thing you don't get is I am not asking to rewrite history, I am not pining away for leon or Faneca. I am stating how I felt at the time and we are disccing what has happened so far but I'm not going to start bashing guys just b/c they are ex-Jets.

You are soft enough that your feelings have been hurt that you need to bash every player that leaves here.

[NDmick]

If sanchez was gone tomorrow you'd be bashing him and telling us how great Kellen Clemens will be in his place.

The thing you don't get is I am not asking to rewrite history, I am not pining away for leon or Faneca. I am stating how I felt at the time and we are disccing what has happened so far but I'm not going to start bashing guys just b/c they are ex-Jets.

You are soft enough that your feelings have been hurt that you need to bash every player that leaves here.
Damn, you are a troll with a high post count.

I'm gunna add to this:

The extremes that have been reached in this post have caused me to not see the difference between a formerly respected poster and the 50 post trolls I love following around, trolling them back for kicks.

I don't even find that impressive, and the argument can be made that I should.

Mick's golden rule: Never insult his love for Mark fucking Sanchez. I don't even need to no homo.

[ace_o_spades]

Wow, really comparing Leon Washington to Mark Sanchez now?

[ukilledkenny]

what exactly do you contribute to this board? You guys all crack me up, I love when folks try to gang up on me to make themselves feel better.

It's embarrassing that we have this many homer Jet fans on here now, when did this happen?

It's called confidence.

this one seems difficult for any Jets fan over 30 because all you guys can do is run and hide every time something good is happening because your expecting it to blow up. We have watched Tanny take a steaming pile of garbage and turn into a superbowl contender in less than 5 years. Sorry that we trust his judgment as well as Rex's over yours.

[NDmick]

It's called confidence.

this one seems difficult for any Jets fan over 30 because all you guys can do is run and hide every time something good is happening because your expecting it to blow up. We have watched Tanny take a steaming pile of garbage and turn into a superbowl contender in less than 5 years. Sorry that we trust his judgment as well as Rex's over yours.
I can imagine change is the other factor that makes thing difficult.

People don't like change, they like routine.

[nyjunc]

That's a stupid argument. Leon was injured last season, making it an impossibility that we would have signed him long term. If they had, I'd most certainly be criticizing the move. I DO like Leon, and I DO think he's a great kick returner. That was never the issue, Junc Quixote, even though you've tried to claim that. As I said, he's a marginal improvement over Smith in a facet of the game that makes a game changing impact (in Leon's case) 6 times over his career. That's 4.7% of the time he touches the ball on ST, which is already a low number to begin with given our defense.

You're right, I'd rather have the guy with the potential to help us long term running the ball.



Funny. The team never once said that he was the starter at guard. They said he was coming into a competition, which I acknowledged. You made him the presumptive starter, which was NEVER stated.

The Jets make mistakes. I've criticized the Jets in the past on plenty of occasions. If it were true that nobody on this site ever criticized the Jets, how could you explain Gholston?



So, you can judge the OL. The rest of us who watch the OL can't. Got it.



When you stop making the arguments of a child, I'll stop treating you like one. Every single post of yours in this thread has been idiotic. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, which I'm sure you realize and simply want to argue. That's fine.

Let's say he signed here for cheap after the injury, all we would hear is how great he is and what an inspirational story it is,...

You can play dumb all you want but we all know the plan was to start Ducasse at LG. It's amazing that you believe everything that the team tells you. I heard there are very few seats available so hurry up and get yours today!

I'm judging the unit as a whole and not each player individually- that is VERY different. The first 2 weeks we didn't have many holes and the QB was harrassed all game. last week we were running inside and our QB had all day to throw.

Please act like an adult. You can disagree w/ me all you want. I know I win when I get childish attacks against me. All you have to do is attack the argument.

I have no idea what I am talking but some schlub sitting on his couch wacthing the TV broadcast can break down the OL for us:rofl2:

[nyjunc]

It's called confidence.

this one seems difficult for any Jets fan over 30 because all you guys can do is run and hide every time something good is happening because your expecting it to blow up. We have watched Tanny take a steaming pile of garbage and turn into a superbowl contender in less than 5 years. Sorry that we trust his judgment as well as Rex's over yours.

Considering you seem to follow me I guess you don't actually read my posts.

I am extremely confident in this organization hence why I said I give Tannenbaum a pass for his few mistakes since he had very few of them BUT that doesn't mean I am going to shake the pom poms and act like every move that has been made is great. I think we have an excellent team and I not a "same old Jets" fan so don't lump me in w/ others.

Try actually reading the posts, it should help you.

[Hobbes3259]

LOL. You can't bait me with that one since I said as soon as Woodhead signed that he'd be excellent with the Patriots.


That 10K can't be very important than...:wink:

And who would have thought he'd be so good that he'd make Mandy Ross expendable ?

[NDmick]

That 10K can't be very important than...:wink:

And who would have thought he'd be so good that he'd make Mandy Ross expendable ?
Well done. This was funny.

[ukilledkenny]

Considering you seem to follow me I guess you don't actually read my posts.

I am extremely confident in this organization hence why I said I give Tannenbaum a pass for his few mistakes since he had very few of them BUT that doesn't mean I am going to shake the pom poms and act like every move that has been made is great. I think we have an excellent team and I not a "same old Jets" fan so don't lump me in w/ others.

Try actually reading the posts, it should help you.

Try reading anything and it might help you.

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Let's say he signed here for cheap after the injury, all we would hear is how great he is and what an inspirational story it is,...

I don't think that's true. You would hear exactly what you heard after his returns. Well done, Leon!

You wouldn't hear that he's healed or great because he hasn't been. He wouldn't be running well here just like he isn't running well in Seattle. People would recognize how great it was that he could even return kicks...just like they are. You should probably check the threads after his returns. A lot of praise. I was among the first, if not the first, to do so. I even watched his first TD in the preseason and commented that I was glad to see him doing well. It doesn't mean we should have kept him.

You can play dumb all you want but we all know the plan was to start Ducasse at LG. It's amazing that you believe everything that the team tells you. I heard there are very few seats available so hurry up and get yours today!

I don't believe everything the team says. I do believe the team when it says there will be a competition at LG and that's exactly what happens. Man, they went to a lot of trouble not to let us know the truth!

I'm judging the unit as a whole and not each player individually- that is VERY different. The first 2 weeks we didn't have many holes and the QB was harrassed all game. last week we were running inside and our QB had all day to throw.

Congratulations. You've learned elementary football. That's a good first step.

Please act like an adult. You can disagree w/ me all you want. I know I win when I get childish attacks against me. All you have to do is attack the argument.

I have no idea what I am talking but some schlub sitting on his couch wacthing the TV broadcast can break down the OL for us:rofl2:

Glad to see you refrain from the childish attacks. At least you have the childish arguments to go along with them. I guess by your reasoning, I just won. Thanks.

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[nyjunc]

I don't think that's true. You would hear exactly what you heard after his returns. Well done, Leon!

You wouldn't hear that he's healed or great because he hasn't been. He wouldn't be running well here just like he isn't running well in Seattle. People would recognize how great it was that he could even return kicks...just like they are. You should probably check the threads after his returns. A lot of praise. I was among the first, if not the first, to do so. I even watched his first TD in the preseason and commented that I was glad to see him doing well. It doesn't mean we should have kept him.



I don't believe everything the team says. I do believe the team when it says there will be a competition at LG and that's exactly what happens. Man, they went to a lot of trouble not to let us know the truth!



Congratulations. You've learned elementary football. That's a good first step.



Glad to see you refrain from the childish attacks. At least you have the childish arguments to go along with them. I guess by your reasoning, I just won. Thanks.

Of course we would b/c this board has turned into a homer board.

Ducasse was terrible all summer and preseason long, they wanted him to start but waited as long as possible in hopes he would get it which he never did. Hopefully that's not the case next year, I have high expectations for him in year 2.


We both know you cannot evluate OL w/o coaches tape and knowing the schemes. Unless you are a posting from Florham park I cannot take any of your OL evluations seriously.

Where is the chilidhs attack? Did I call you an idiot? did I call you anything directly? How do you know I was talking about you? guilty conscience?

[ukilledkenny]

Of course we would b/c this board has turned into a homer board.

Ducasse was terrible all summer and preseason long, they wanted him to start but waited as long as possible in hopes he would get it which he never did. Hopefully that's not the case next year, I have high expectations for him in year 2.


We both know you cannot evluate OL w/o coaches tape and knowing the schemes. Unless you are a posting from Florham park I cannot take any of your OL evluations seriously.

Where is the chilidhs attack? Did I call you an idiot? did I call you anything directly? How do you know I was talking about you? guilty conscience?

Unless you are simultaneously in New Jersey and Arizona that makes your opinion on Faneca and Slauson/Ducasse equally irrelevant, yet you continue to preach it as fact.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

Of course we would b/c this board has turned into a homer board.

Ducasse was terrible all summer and preseason long, they wanted him to start but waited as long as possible in hopes he would get it which he never did. Hopefully that's not the case next year, I have high expectations for him in year 2.


We both know you cannot evluate OL w/o coaches tape and knowing the schemes. Unless you are a posting from Florham park I cannot take any of your OL evluations seriously.

Where is the chilidhs attack? Did I call you an idiot? did I call you anything directly? How do you know I was talking about you? guilty conscience?

we get what youre saying, its not nuclear physics ... in fact, its the antithesis

stop repeating your same refuted points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

[NDmick]

Cesspool this bitch.

[Coach K]

some people are just willing to type way more than others lol

we need an endless debater award. not necessarily alluding to any other quality than the fact they love to beat dead horses with dead horse legs

[NDmick]

some people are just willing to type way more than others lol

we need an endless debater award. not necessarily alluding to any other quality than the fact they love to beat dead horses with dead horse legs
that and the Mike Gundy award, for being a man and being 40.

Still a classic.

[nyjunc]

Unless you are simultaneously in New Jersey and Arizona that makes your opinion on Faneca and Slauson/Ducasse equally irrelevant, yet you continue to preach it as fact.

That;s the thing, I don't preach it as fact. I stated how our OL was better at the end of last year and how the only change we made was Slauson. I have also said Slauson could turn out to be fine or even better but RIGHT NOW our OL is not as good as it was when we ended 2010.

we get what youre saying, its not nuclear physics ... in fact, its the antithesis

stop repeating your same refuted points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

It's ok for you guys to post the same stuff over and over but not ok for me to refute them over and over? got it.

If you guys actually read the posts we wouldn't even be here. My point from the beginning has been I disagreed w/ a few of our offseason moves but that I could be proven wrong and that I HOPE I am proven wrong but you guys had to take that opportunity to attack me b/c I dare say nice things about players that no longer are New York Jets.

[ukilledkenny]

That;s the thing, I don't preach it as fact. I stated how our OL was better at the end of last year and how the only change we made was Slauson. I have also said Slauson could turn out to be fine or even better but RIGHT NOW our OL is not as good as it was when we ended 2010.


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These are both statements that you are making based on nothing but your own opinion. Yet you want us to accept them as fact.

Remember, you don't have the coaches tape and you can't evaluate an o-line based on the broadcast.

[........]

that and the Mike Gundy award, for being a man and being 40.

Still a classic.

LOL. I almost forgot about that one. That was fun.

[nyjunc]

These are both statements that you are making based on nothing but your own opinion. Yet you want us to accept them as fact.

Remember, you don't have the coaches tape and you can't evaluate an o-line based on the broadcast.

I haven't used them as fact, if that's the case we can take any posts and say the same thing.

[Miamipuck]

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[Cakes]

These are both statements that you are making based on nothing but your own opinion. Yet you want us to accept them as fact.
What the hell is wrong with you?

Don't you know by now?

nyjunc does not have opinions.

It's all facts we're gettin' from that boy.

[nyjunc]

What the hell is wrong with you?

Don't you know by now?

nyjunc does not have opinions.

It's all facts we're gettin' from that boy.

Don't you have an encyclopedia from 1925 to study or did you take care of that during your latest banishment?

[........]

Don't you have an encyclopedia from 1925 to study or did you take care of that during your latest banishment?

Childish attack. Cakes wins.

[........]

BTW, remembered this morning that we picked up Justin Miller last season when Leon got hurt. The goal was for him to return kicks. The CS preferred Brad Smith to him, too. That makes two of our best recent kick returners who were let go while Brad Smith returns kicks. I guess you must be missing something with Smith without that coaches' tape. Like maybe that it's a waste to use a roster spot on a guy who is simply a marginal improvement in that facet of the game.

[ukilledkenny]

That avatar is awesome.

[nyjunc]

BTW, remembered this morning that we picked up Justin Miller last season when Leon got hurt. The goal was for him to return kicks. The CS preferred Brad Smith to him, too. That makes two of our best recent kick returners who were let go while Brad Smith returns kicks. I guess you must be missing something with Smith without that coaches' tape. Like maybe that it's a waste to use a roster spot on a guy who is simply a marginal improvement in that facet of the game.

What are you talking about? When did I ever criticize Smith other than saying he's not as good as leon?

We let go of Miller b/c he showed us that he didn't have his old burst back, he was WORSE than Smith. He wasn't a marginal improvement, if he was he would have stayed but he was clearly done after they saw him up close which was why they released him so quickly and he hasn't been picked up since.

Childish attack. Cakes wins.

We all lose when we read your posts.

[........]

What are you talking about? When did I ever criticize Smith other than saying he's not as good as leon?

We let go of Miller b/c he showed us that he didn't have his old burst back, he was WORSE than Smith. He wasn't a marginal improvement, if he was he would have stayed but he was clearly done after they saw him up close which was why they released him so quickly and he hasn't been picked up since.

You disputed that Leon was a marginal improvement. I wasn't talking about Miller with that last line. Although, Miller has been picked up since. He was with the Cardinals throughout training camp and averaged 30 yards per return in the preseason, but they opted to keep a returner who could contribute in other ways as well. Like Smith.

We all lose when we read your posts.

ANOTHER childish attack. I'm on a roll! You're right, though. You all lose. I'm that damn good.

Shit, I got the win wrapped up two ways. By your standards, I won as soon as you dropped the attack. By my standards, I won as soon as I dropped a well supported, logical argument on your ignorant fluff. It's like a double victory.

[nyjunc]

You disputed that Leon was a marginal improvement. I wasn't talking about Miller with that last line. Although, Miller has been picked up since. He was with the Cardinals throughout training camp and averaged 30 yards per return in the preseason, but they opted to keep a returner who could contribute in other ways as well. Like Smith.



ANOTHER childish attack. I'm on a roll! You're right, though. You all lose. I'm that damn good.

Shit, I got the win wrapped up two ways. By your standards, I won as soon as you dropped the attack. By my standards, I won as soon as I dropped a well supported, logical argument on your ignorant fluff. It's like a double victory.

Leon is a alot better than Brad Smith.

Now you are bringin up preseason stats? Leon averaged 23 per return in preseason and is averaging 40 in the reg season.

Soon you'll start posting his averages from OTAs.


I'm throwing out jokes, you are acting like a child calling me an idiot and all that. There's a big difference.

[ukilledkenny]

When you call Junc an idiot it is childish.


When Junc calls you and idiot it is a joke.


Big difference.

[........]

Leon is a alot better than Brad Smith.

Now you are bringin up preseason stats? Leon averaged 23 per return in preseason and is averaging 40 in the reg season.

Soon you'll start posting his averages from OTAs.

Given how many players are fired up and trying to use Special Teams play to make a roster, I'd say they're the only preseason stats you actually CAN use. They were also the way Justin Miller was pleading his case for a roster spot. The team opted to go with Stephens-Howling as their returner instead, given that he was a viable option as a 3rd RB. Since Leon clearly hasn't been, you can see why the Jets opted for Smith in this situation.

I'm throwing out jokes, you are acting like a child calling me an idiot and all that. There's a big difference.

I thought you were talking about Cakes' ban. "Throwing out a joke" would be a much more apt description of a junc ban.

[NDmick]

Brad Smith is more valuable than Leon.

Is that actually being argued?

[........]

Brad Smith is more valuable than Leon.

Is that actually being argued?

Not really. The argument part is over, since I won by both my and junc's standards. It's just a discussion at this point.

However, I do maintain that Brad Smith's ability at KOR made Leon expendable, in part because he can contribute on offense as well, which Leon hasn't really been able to do this season. Leon isn't THAT much better as a KOR, albeit a bit more explosive, but it's such a narrow role, and only for this season. I'd much rather have the promise of Joe McKnight for the future and go with Brad Smith. Junc would have preferred to keep Leon and insists that he is, in fact, THAT much better than Smith.

[NDmick]

Not really. The argument part is over, since I won by both my and junc's standards. It's just a discussion at this point.

However, I do maintain that Brad Smith's ability at KOR made Leon expendable, in part because he can contribute on offense as well, which Leon hasn't really been able to do this season. Leon isn't THAT much better as a KOR, albeit a bit more explosive, but it's such a narrow role, and only for this season. I'd much rather have the promise of Joe McKnight for the future and go with Brad Smith. Junc would have preferred to keep Leon and insists that he is, in fact, THAT much better than Smith.
ha.


Smith is one of the most valuable all around players I've seen on the Jets. He plays 6 different roles. I just wish he did morph into a true receiver. He'd be the complete package.

The roster spots saved due to his ability to cover so many roles so well enables the Jets to have developmental depth players at other positions. Leon never did that.

Its sad. I like Leon. I just don't overrate the shit out of him.

[........]

ha.


Smith is one of the most valuable all around players I've seen on the Jets. He plays 6 different roles. I just wish he did morph into a true receiver. He'd be the complete package.

The roster spots saved due to his ability to cover so many roles so well enables the Jets to have developmental depth players at other positions. Leon never did that.

Its sad. I like Leon. I just don't overrate the shit out of him.

Everyone likes Leon. The other games thread after his excellent ST game had a ton of replies. It's just shocking that anyone who has watched him thinks he would have been a better choice for this team. You either lose Joe McKnight or John Conner for the next three (or more) seasons for one year of marginally better kick returns. Kick returns! Not offense, not defense, kick returns!

[nyjunc]

When you call Junc an idiot it is childish.


When Junc calls you and idiot it is a joke.


Big difference.

At what point did I call him an idiot?

Given how many players are fired up and trying to use Special Teams play to make a roster, I'd say they're the only preseason stats you actually CAN use. They were also the way Justin Miller was pleading his case for a roster spot. The team opted to go with Stephens-Howling as their returner instead, given that he was a viable option as a 3rd RB. Since Leon clearly hasn't been, you can see why the Jets opted for Smith in this situation.



I thought you were talking about Cakes' ban. "Throwing out a joke" would be a much more apt description of a junc ban.

Ok, please do me a favor and let me know which stats can and cannot be used before we get into another debate.

The Jets didn't opt for Smith, it wasn't a decision of should we keep Leon just to return kicks. They didn't think he'd ever fully recover and they may be right but so far seeing Leon win a game for his team they look wrong.


That's funny, I can give you credit rather than act like a 2 year old who lost his favorite toy.

Brad Smith is more valuable than Leon.

Is that actually being argued?

Can any of you guys read?

Not really. The argument part is over, since I won by both my and junc's standards. It's just a discussion at this point.

However, I do maintain that Brad Smith's ability at KOR made Leon expendable, in part because he can contribute on offense as well, which Leon hasn't really been able to do this season. Leon isn't THAT much better as a KOR, albeit a bit more explosive, but it's such a narrow role, and only for this season. I'd much rather have the promise of Joe McKnight for the future and go with Brad Smith. Junc would have preferred to keep Leon and insists that he is, in fact, THAT much better than Smith.

I am taking notes so that I can someday be as good as you. I ask again that you please let me know which #s are meaningful to a discussion and which are not.

The "promise" of Joe McKnight:lol: he sure showed us a ton of promise in camp.

Leon is a much better return man than Smith, that's not debateable(unless we are only allowed to use good Smith returns and not good Leon returns).


I know it's difficult for you to act like an adult but all I have said all along is I was against the Leon move. I never said I was right, I never said we made the wrong move. I said I was against it and that so far it looks like a bad move but that can easily change if Joe shows us his incredible promise.

ha.


Smith is one of the most valuable all around players I've seen on the Jets. He plays 6 different roles. I just wish he did morph into a true receiver. He'd be the complete package.

The roster spots saved due to his ability to cover so many roles so well enables the Jets to have developmental depth players at other positions. Leon never did that.

Its sad. I like Leon. I just don't overrate the shit out of him.

Were you one of the people on the board back in '07 and '08 who thought he was a waste of a roster spot?

Everyone likes Leon. The other games thread after his excellent ST game had a ton of replies. It's just shocking that anyone who has watched him thinks he would have been a better choice for this team. You either lose Joe McKnight or John Conner for the next three (or more) seasons for one year of marginally better kick returns. Kick returns! Not offense, not defense, kick returns!

Connor has nothing to do w/ it, it's about McKnight. If McKnight turns into something it was a great move. if he's a bust and Leon comes close to regaining his form it was a bad move.

[........]

Ok, please do me a favor and let me know which stats can and cannot be used before we get into another debate.

Will do. I'll compile a list and send it over. Happy to help you grow as a poster.

The Jets didn't opt for Smith, it wasn't a decision of should we keep Leon just to return kicks. They didn't think he'd ever fully recover and they may be right but so far seeing Leon win a game for his team they look wrong.

They DID opt for Brad Smith...as a returner. They didn't think Leon would fully recover this season, and so far they're absolutely right. He hasn't fully recovered. Anything that happens after this season is irrelevant since he wouldn't be a Jet anyway, straight from the horse's mouth.


That's funny, I can give you credit rather than act like a 2 year old who lost his favorite toy.

Now that's what I call progress. See? I knew you had it in you. And you say I can't judge potential...

I am taking notes so that I can someday be as good as you. I ask again that you please let me know which #s are meaningful to a discussion and which are not.

I'm happy to count you as one of my many followers.

The "promise" of Joe McKnight:lol: he sure showed us a ton of promise in camp.

Didn't you just say we can't use the preseason?

Leon is a much better return man than Smith, that's not debateable(unless we are only allowed to use good Smith returns and not good Leon returns).

I haven't seen anyone suggest that Leon isn't a better return man.

I know it's difficult for you to act like an adult but all I have said all along is I was against the Leon move. I never said I was right, I never said we made the wrong move. I said I was against it and that so far it looks like a bad move but that can easily change if Joe shows us his incredible promise.

More childish attacks. How many victories is that for me now? Just call me the '98 Yankees.

Connor has nothing to do w/ it, it's about McKnight. If McKnight turns into something it was a great move. if he's a bust and Leon comes close to regaining his form it was a bad move.

Yes. If McKnight is a bust over the next 3 years AND Leon regains his form this season, it was a bad move.

[ukilledkenny]

At what point did I call him an idiot?



You didn't say the word idiot specifically but lets be real.

[nyjunc]

Will do. I'll compile a list and send it over. Happy to help you grow as a poster.



They DID opt for Brad Smith...as a returner. They didn't think Leon would fully recover this season, and so far they're absolutely right. He hasn't fully recovered. Anything that happens after this season is irrelevant since he wouldn't be a Jet anyway, straight from the horse's mouth.




Now that's what I call progress. See? I knew you had it in you. And you say I can't judge potential...



I'm happy to count you as one of my many followers.



Didn't you just say we can't use the preseason?



I haven't seen anyone suggest that Leon isn't a better return man.



More childish attacks. How many victories is that for me now? Just call me the '98 Yankees.



Yes. If McKnight is a bust over the next 3 years AND Leon regains his form this season, it was a bad move.

Thank you.

He hasn't fully recovered and still has been much better than Brad(I'm not bashing Brad by the way as I love Brad but he's not Leon as a KR).


You were using preseason #s which are meaningless, that's very different than how a guy looked in camp and in preseason games. You can see different things about a player to let you know if they can play or not and it has nothing to do w/ stats. He didn't show us anything, certain players take longer to develop so I'm not giving up on him but he showed us nothing.


We'll see, like I have said over and over I hope to be wrong but as we know tha is pretty rare:grin:

[Cakes]

Don't you have an encyclopedia from 1925 to study or did you take care of that during your latest banishment?

Jeez, man. I made a joke about you that I actually thought you would laugh at. You have to laugh at yourself sometimes or you won't enjoy life.

[TommyGreen]

Even Cakes is dishing it out.

junc has become 30,000 posts of suck.

[Jetskees]

Holy shit this is an obnoxious thread. Can we create a "complain about Jet's management thread" so I don't have to comb through all this bullshit when looking for any info or updates on Joe McKnight?

[Miamipuck]

Even Cakes is dishing it out.

junc has become 30,000 posts of suck.



Living Well is the best revenge.......... btw dig deeper

[ukilledkenny]

Holy shit this is an obnoxious thread. Can we create a "complain about Jet's management thread" so I don't have to comb through all this bullshit when looking for any info or updates on Joe McKnight?

This thread was originally made to complain about McKnight. Why would you think this would be a thread devoted to updates about him?

[nyjunc]

Jeez, man. I made a joke about you that I actually thought you would laugh at. You have to laugh at yourself sometimes or you won't enjoy life.

:lol: Come on cakes. You couldn't tell I was joking? Why would I make fun of you for knowing history when that is one of my strengths as well?(though I don't go back as far as you do).

[IATA]

Someone just puked on the floor outside my office. I asked him if his name was Joe McKnight.

[Harpua]

Living Well is the best revenge.......... btw dig deeper

Digging deeper is the best revenge?

[IATA]

The best revenge is living well in the hole you were digging deeper.

[Jetfanmack]

This thread was originally made to complain about McKnight. Why would you think this would be a thread devoted to updates about him?

Because that's basically what it is at this point.

Leon for a draft pick was a good move because we weren't going to resign him after this year, and we didn't think he would be as good a runningback as the other guys around (Greene and LT). If we could get a decent pick for him, we would do it. Remember, we got Santonio for a 5th.

[Lynkx]

Because that's basically what it is at this point.

Leon for a draft pick was a good move because we weren't going to resign him after this year, and we didn't think he would be as good a runningback as the other guys around (Greene and LT). If we could get a decent pick for him, we would do it. Remember, we got Santonio for a 5th.

So effectively we traded Leon for Santonio?


I'll take it.

[IATA]

So effectively we traded Leon for Santonio?


I'll take it.

LEON COULD HAVE HELPED US WIN MORE GAMES THIS YEAR THAN SANTONIO.

Leon YPC : 2.3
Santonio YPC : 0

Leon is better than Santonio

/junc

[SixFeetDeep]

I'm happy to count you as one of my many followers.



ok junc

fill

[NDmick]

Were you one of the people on the board back in '07 and '08 who thought he was a waste of a roster spot?

I actually went back in my post history. I couldn't find anything that suggest I hated Brad Smith at any point in time.

[nyjunc]

I actually went back in my post history. I couldn't find anything that suggest I hated Brad Smith at any point in time.

I was asking the question, I didn't know. Most of the board HATED Brad Smith and wanted him gone.

[Green Lantern]

From Deadspin:

I know we keep harping on this. But Hub fans keep doing stuff like running out and buying a guy's jersey just because he's "scrappy."
No, really; someone said that. The manager at the Patriots pro shop actually said scrappy, a term we thought was reserved for stereotyped fictional characters making fun of Pats fans, and Peter King.
Woodhead is one of those scrappy, hard-working players that appeals to New Englanders," said Periello. "People love this guy. His T-shirts and jerseys are popular with kids, men and women, blue-collar and white-collar customers."
Why, at many New England outlets, the Woodhead jersey is even outselling those perennial best-sellers: white quarterback Tom Brady and white wide receiver Wes Welker.
As SportsGrid points out, why not surprising rookie TE Aaron Hernandez, a player who's actually from New England? That last name a little too ethnic? I guess that's what ended the love-in for Julian Edelman.
Whatever. Woodhead's scrappy. Whatever sells second-string running back jerseys to attractive (for Boston) girls like the one in the Herald article.

Danny Woodhead gives QB & company run for their money [Boston Herald]

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[AbdulSalam]

who hated Brad Smith??? Thats BS. Guy is a really nice player who plays hard and who can do alot of things well. Why would anybody hate on Brad Smith?

[Italian Seafood]

who hated Brad Smith??? Thats BS. Guy is a really nice player who plays hard and who can do alot of things well. Why would anybody hate on Brad Smith?

A lot of people were complaining about him a year or two ago, before we brought in Edwards and Holmes, that he wasn't a good enough WR to be in the spot he was in.

[ukilledkenny]

who hated Brad Smith??? Thats BS. Guy is a really nice player who plays hard and who can do alot of things well. Why would anybody hate on Brad Smith?

A good amount of this board hated him his first few years because they saw him as only a WR.

[Italian Seafood]

A good amount of this board hated him his first few years because they saw him as only a WR.

Before we got Edwards last year Smith was our #2 or #3 WR and a lot of people didn't think he was worthy of that. As a pure WR he may not be but anyone who just looked at him as such really isn't seeing the big picture. Same as when they looked at just Leon's YPC or whatever. We could have used one of Leon's 1 carry, 43 yards, TD games the other day, we might have won.

[Mr Electric]

Good McGame, Joe.

[NDmick]

This is why you don't start threads in a player's rookie season.

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?

[MikeHoncho]

This is why you don't start threads in a player's rookie season.

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?

Before he played 1 regular season game, no less. Unreal.

[MBGreen]

This is why you don't start threads in a player's rookie season.

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?
amen, Mick.


it's amazing what a little patience would do for a fan's outlook on players.

[Scikotic]

This is why you don't start threads in a player's rookie season.

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?

He's playing against the Bills?

[skeleton_frames]

He's Mcdefinitely Mcimpressed me today. Granted it's the Bills but still, he's shown good burst.

[Mr Electric]

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?

I'll give you two:

He threw up and fumbled before the season started.

[MBGreen]

My hats off to Anthony Lynn for coaching this kid up.

Let's hope this carries over in to next season.

[hazmat]

He's going to be a big part of the Jets offense for a long time.

[624]

I can't wait until Junc comes and starts talking in circles adding 45 pages to this thread.

[hazmat]

Where's the draft thread that said we have to take a running back in the 1st or 2nd round?

[Mr Electric]

I can't wait until Junc comes and starts talking in circles adding 45 pages to this thread.

"Jay Feely is a better running back than Joe McKnight"

[gustoonarmy]

"Jay Feely is a better running back than Joe McKnight"

:lol::lol::lol: You know its comin

[NDmick]

That was Joe's Touchdown!!!!


Fuck. Get this kid a TD.

[NDmick]

I'll give you two:

He threw up and fumbled before the season started.
You don't know football :grin:

[LeonNYJ]

John Conner > Joe McKnight as RB, lmao.

[Cakes]

I hope he'd step in and play well. Believe, I WANT to be wrong about this entire situation, Leon's gone and we have McKnight so we cannot undo what happened this offseason. I was just really disappointed in Mcknight but that doesn't mean I have given up on him or that he will never be a contributor.


So, nyjunc, was McKnight's performance in Week 17 good enough for you to admit you were wrong or do you need to see more?

Leon Washington's rushing stats through Week 16-
26 attempts, 96 yards, 3.7 avg, 1 TD

[MBGreen]

I'm waiting to see junc spin his way out of this one.

[NDmick]

So, nyjunc, was McKnight's performance in Week 17 good enough for you to admit you were wrong or do you need to see more?

Leon Washington's rushing stats through Week 16-
26 attempts, 96 yards, 3.7 avg, 1 TD
So McKnight has more yards in one game than LW in a whole season.

hahaha


BUT, LW has a TD. That TD clearly makes LW better.

[NDmick]

John Conner > Joe McKnight as RB, lmao.
hahaha

I love the RB/FB by committee today.

[DRC™]

I'd love for him to get a TD. And it looks like they want to give it to him

[NDmick]

I'd love for him to get a TD. And it looks like they want to give it to him
I want him to get one too.

The day wouldn't be right if he didn't.

[NDmick]

Really?

Fuck that. Give the ball to Joe.

[MBGreen]

So McKnight has more yards in one game than LW in a whole season.

hahaha


BUT, LW has a TD. That TD clearly makes LW better.
I'm thinking of giving junc a Vaynerchuk avatar. :wink:

[SufferingJetsFan]

McKnight looked fantastic.

Really happy for the guy.

[........]

Thank God we can bury this discussion for now. I'm afraid to look at the stats for this thread and see how many posts were mine defending the kid.

[JfaulkNYJ]

suck cock all you mcknight haters. he sucked in preseason omg!!!

[........]

I want him to get one too.

The day wouldn't be right if he didn't.

I think he'll take 30+ carries without a fumble and 150+ yds, but yeah, a TD would have been nice.

[inSANITy]

So I haven't been able to watch any of this game because I am at the airport... I'm guessing mcknight started lol

By the look of his yardage and such. How does he look? Is he breaking big plays or consistent 5 yd pickups. I understand he's obviously playing well being that he has 150 yds but the bills defense isn't known to be stellar.

[624]

So I haven't been able to watch any of this game because I am at the airport... I'm guessing mcknight started lol

By the look of his yardage and such. How does he look? Is he breaking big plays or consistent 5 yd pickups. I understand he's obviously playing well being that he has 150 yds but the bills defense isn't known to be stellar.

He looked great, he was playing the Bills D....but he was behind a 2nd string line with no threat in the passing game.


Showed great vision, power, cutting ability, and elusiveness.


He also made a lot of yardage when nothing was there, and showed some good hands receiving.

[bojanglesman]

Thank God we can bury this discussion for now. I'm afraid to look at the stats for this thread and see how many posts were mine defending the kid.

You've been here long enough to know that someone (Junc) will find a way to dig this back up.

[theBidet]

So I haven't been able to watch any of this game because I am at the airport... I'm guessing mcknight started lol

By the look of his yardage and such. How does he look? Is he breaking big plays or consistent 5 yd pickups. I understand he's obviously playing well being that he has 150 yds but the bills defense isn't known to be stellar.

i think his first two runs netted like 18 yards. he just looked impressive. little things like keeping the legs moving, not be taken down on first contact and extending plays with vision, etc. he broke a few runs, that while not large gains, should've been dead plays.

[Mr Electric]

So I haven't been able to watch any of this game because I am at the airport... I'm guessing mcknight started lol

By the look of his yardage and such. How does he look? Is he breaking big plays or consistent 5 yd pickups. I understand he's obviously playing well being that he has 150 yds but the bills defense isn't known to be stellar.

McKnight was fantastic today.

He ran hard all damn game. He showed some nice cuts and jukes.

The best thing you can get out of a running back is consistency. He picked up chunks of yardage all game long. This game went by incredibly fast because we kept getting first downs on the ground.

A lot of people wrote him off as a between-the-tackles runner. They were proven wrong today.

[inSANITy]

He looked great, he was playing the Bills D....but he was behind a 2nd string line with no threat in the passing game.


Showed great vision, power, cutting ability, and elusiveness.


He also made a lot of yardage when nothing was there, and showed some good hands receiving.

Wow that's great to hear. Maybe we have a secret weapon for the playoffs. If not atleast the d coordinate has to prepare for joe.

I guarantee you without 4:05:13 PM here mcknight would not be producing. Atleast not this fast anyway

[xxedge72x]

This is why you don't start threads in a player's rookie season.

Anyone wanna pull a reason out of their ass and try to discredit his performance today?

Nope. McKnight looked like he was born again hard today. Props to him for stepping up.

[Kentucky Jet]

I've seen enough. Please end the inevitable already and send him packing to like 5 different teams over the next 4 years before he's selling car insurance.
Washington and Woodhead play like Jets. McNight plays like a bafoon.

Great observation! I know that you would be here now beating your chest but are having trouble digesting bar-b-qed crow.

[James Calvin]

I saw all his games at USC. He was a stud there and showed it today.

[nyjunc]

It's so sad, I WANT McKnight to succeed but you make me attack him. mcknight did not make a single significant play w/ the ball all year long. His claim to fame for 2010 was being blocked and having a ball glance off a defender against the bengals.

he was really good yesterday in a COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS GAME against an AWFUL opponent. John Connor had a better YPC than McKnight.

Leon was the DIFFERENCE in Seattle making the playoffs, if not for the game HE WON they wouldn't be in the playoffs.

It's irritating, i'd like to say nice things but there are so many posters worried about me for some reason and the fact that I have spoken the TRUTH about McKnight all year. Instead of getting ready for Indy we'll have to engage in a silly debate about Mcknight b/c people are so excited he played well against an awful opponent in what was essentially a preseason game.

[Hobbes3259]

It's so sad, I WANT McKnight to succeed but you make me attack him. mcknight did not make a single significant play w/ the ball all year long. His claim to fame for 2010 was being blocked and having a ball glance off a defender against the bengals.

he was really good yesterday in a COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS GAME against an AWFUL opponent. John Connor had a better YPC than McKnight.

Leon was the DIFFERENCE in Seattle making the playoffs, if not for the game HE WON they wouldn't be in the playoffs.

It's irritating, i'd like to say nice things but there are so many posters worried about me for some reason and the fact that I have spoken the TRUTH about McKnight all year. Instead of getting ready for Indy we'll have to engage in a silly debate about Mcknight b/c people are so excited he played well against an awful opponent in what was essentially a preseason game.

Junc, we'll agree to disagree, but ...My whole problem, with the Woodhead v. McKnight thing, was..."What if LT gets hurt ?"

At the end of the day he didn't....but he could have. I think that was bad management for a team with SB aspirations.


It's not what McKnight produced against a bad team yesterday...Did you SEE his feet?

Vanilla play calling, straight ahead blocking...but the man has really good feet..quick, but not indecisive...when the light is there, he can get to it.

He's going to be a really good player, now that he's manned up...

Those of us that were against him for obvious reasons, are seeing him do what we begged he would do.


He did, and now...it's time to circle the bandwagons :wink:

At the end of the day..We're all Jets.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

It's so sad, I WANT McKnight to succeed but you make me attack him. mcknight did not make a single significant play w/ the ball all year long. His claim to fame for 2010 was being blocked and having a ball glance off a defender against the bengals.

he was really good yesterday in a COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS GAME against an AWFUL opponent. John Connor had a better YPC than McKnight.

Leon was the DIFFERENCE in Seattle making the playoffs, if not for the game HE WON they wouldn't be in the playoffs.

It's irritating, i'd like to say nice things but there are so many posters worried about me for some reason and the fact that I have spoken the TRUTH about McKnight all year. Instead of getting ready for Indy we'll have to engage in a silly debate about Mcknight b/c people are so excited he played well against an awful opponent in what was essentially a preseason game.

Yes, Leon was the sole difference maker in Seattle's amazing 7-9 season. They aren't going to beat NOR.

Meanwhile, McKnight rushed for more yards yesterday than Leon did all season. And don't use the 32nd ranked run D because the seahawks played the 30th ranked run D twice.

[abyzmul]

It's so sad, I WANT McKnight to succeed but you make me attack him.

Are you so easy to control, junc? Is that why you're so sad?

[nyjunc]

Are you so easy to control, junc? Is that why you're so sad?

I'm sad? I would like to discuss how he had a good game but people that do not undrestand this game will act like he has arrived and is this great player, like he did it in the SB yesterday instead of ina glorified exhibition game against a terrible team.

Junc, we'll agree to disagree, but ...My whole problem, with the Woodhead v. McKnight thing, was..."What if LT gets hurt ?"

At the end of the day he didn't....but he could have. I think that was bad management for a team with SB aspirations.


It's not what McKnight produced against a bad team yesterday...Did you SEE his feet?

Vanilla play calling, straight ahead blocking...but the man has really good feet..quick, but not indecisive...when the light is there, he can get to it.

He's going to be a really good player, now that he's manned up...

Those of us that were against him for obvious reasons, are seeing him do what we begged he would do.


He did, and now...it's time to circle the bandwagons :wink:

At the end of the day..We're all Jets.

I'm not a woodhead guy, I was fine w/ allowing him to leave.

I hope this is a sign of things to come for Joe, I expected him to produce in meaningful action this year. That didn't happen and it was disappointing but I have said over and over I have not given up on the guy. yesterday was a positive step but I'm not proclaiming him to be a sure thing yet either based on that game.

Yes, Leon was the sole difference maker in Seattle's amazing 7-9 season. They aren't going to beat NOR.

Meanwhile, McKnight rushed for more yards yesterday than Leon did all season. And don't use the 32nd ranked run D because the seahawks played the 30th ranked run D twice.

He won a game for Seattle, they won the division by one game. Who cares what the record was and who cares if they are one and done?

Yesterday was a glorified exhibition game, if the game means anything joe is on the bench.

[alleycat9]

this is fun.

its always amazing when people want so badly to be right that they grasp onto anything even remotely showing promise that they could maybe possibly... probably not be right.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

I thought it was foolish the way so many were bashing Mcknight in TC. For whatever reason, many highly regarded RB's who went onto great things have struggled early as Jets. Lamont Jordan, Leon Washington and even Shonn Greene all come to mind. Mcknight unfortunately was targeted by the fan base due to the attachment to Leon...which wasn't fair.

When Rex,Westhoff, etc started hinting that Mcknight was really improving in practice,I had a feeling that the only reason he wasn't seeing the field at RB was b/c Rex didn't wanna show too much of him before playoff time. Now I could be completely wrong about this and Rex could decide to lean solely on the veterans who are now well rested in LT and Greene. But I'd like to see a mix of green and Mcknight in the running game on first and second down while LT can concentrate on pass blocking, checkdown reps and moving the chains on 3rd down. This would keep Lt and Green fresh within their roles and Mcknight providing another big play threat who is extremely fresh(And extremely limited film for the opposition)

I also would like to see Mcknight used in a Wes Welker/Wayne Chrebet type role in the spread offense.I thought cotchery would fille this role but he's turned out to be more of a tough intermediate route guy..than so a slot match-up nightmare. Mcknight could be deadly on crossing patterns...and could really give this offense a boost heading into the playoffs.

Still, I'm keeping the performance on Sunday in perspective. This was a meaningless game against a terrible run defense..but still I believe Mcknight earned himself some more meaningful playing time, IMO

[nyjunc]

I thought it was foolish the way so many were bashing Mcknight in TC. For whatever reason, many highly regarded RB's who went onto great things have struggled early as Jets. Lamont Jordan, Leon Washington and even Shonn Greene all come to mind. Mcknight unfortunately was targeted by the fan base due to the attachment to Leon...which wasn't fair.

When Rex,Westhoff, etc started hinting that Mcknight was really improving in practice,I had a feeling that the only reason he wasn't seeing the field at RB was b/c Rex didn't wanna show too much of him before playoff time. Now I could be completely wrong about this and Rex could decide to lean solely on the veterans who are now well rested in LT and Greene. But I'd like to see a mix of green and Mcknight in the running game on first and second down while LT can concentrate on pass blocking, checkdown reps and moving the chains on 3rd down. This would keep Lt and Green fresh within their roles and Mcknight providing another big play threat who is extremely fresh(And extremely limited film for the opposition)

I also would like to see Mcknight used in a Wes Welker/Wayne Chrebet type role in the spread offense.I thought cotchery would fille this role but he's turned out to be more of a tough intermediate route guy..than so a slot match-up nightmare. Mcknight could be deadly on crossing patterns...and could really give this offense a boost heading into the playoffs.

Still, I'm keeping the performance on Sunday in perspective. This was a meaningless game against a terrible run defense..but still I believe Mcknight earned himself some more meaningful playing time, IMO

Joe earned all the bashing. other RBs may have struggled but were they throwing up at rookie camp? did they fail their conditioning test after that at TC? No. and all 3 of those guys played meaningful minutes at RB during their rookie years and helped us make the playoffs in those years. I hope Joe becomes a reliable player for us but he hasn't contributed anything as a RB in meaningful situations.

[........]

You shut your damn mouth and you shut it now!

[Twombles]

Great block! I know he was unblocked but he was still pretty damn quick.

[MobiusOne28]

Good McNight, toolbag.

[jets2884]

Anyone else notice how they were giving all the credit to Trufant????

[ukilledkenny]

Amazing fucking play by McKnight.

[CodeGreen]

Very happy for the kid, good job great time to come through

[CatoTheElder]

You mean we spent a 4th round pick on a player who only excels at special teams? Waste.

[Talisman]

I bet no one is happier for the kid than Rex

[NDmick]

McFuck this thread, Joe.

[ace_o_spades]

McFuck this thread, Joe.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ukilledkenny]

I feel confident guaranteeing he sees a handful of offensive plays next week.

[NDmick]

I feel confident guaranteeing he sees a handful of offensive plays next week.
Especially when the Jets are up by a lot of points next week.


The Jags aren't going to do shit for once against the Jets.

McCown can't read a Rex Ryan defense.

[624]

It's funny how the two players most scrutinized about being here, Folk and McKnight, are the ones who came through for us in the end today.


When will people learn?

[CatoTheElder]

It's funny how the two players most scrutinized about being here, Folk and McKnight, are the ones who came through for us in the end today.


When will people learn?
When will Nick Folk start making tackles and Joe McKnight become an undrafted free agent?

[Jetsring2013]

It's funny how the two players most scrutinized about being here, Folk and McKnight, are the ones who came through for us in the end today.


When will people learn?

Folk is really accurate in his comfort zone I don't understand why people hate on him. McKnight; got some.

[Jetfanmack]

It wasn't insane to think the Jets should bring in competition for Folk or replace him. 77% isn't great. Novak was pretty solid competition given what's out there. Folk beat him out. No problem with that.

As for McKnight, his problems are mostly out of his control: people don't like that they traded Leon Washington for him, or people don't like that they cut Danny Woodhead because they didn't want to cut bait with McKnight. The vomiting last year didn't help, but he can't control the other things.

Glad he did something in a meaningful game to help us win. I'm a little down on Shonn Greene right now, and there's a decent chance that either McKnight or Powell will have to play a big role down the stretch. I like McKnight's skill-set. I view him more as a third-down back, which LT already dominates, but there's always room for a 5-11, 205 lb guy who can catch the ball and is as athletic as he is.

Now, his defenders have tangible evidence to latch onto that he helped us win a game that matters. Besides that Buffalo game, which shouldn't be completely dismissed at all, either.

[NDmick]

It wasn't insane to think the Jets should bring in competition for Folk or replace him. 77% isn't great. Novak was pretty solid competition given what's out there. Folk beat him out. No problem with that.

As for McKnight, his problems are mostly out of his control: people don't like that they traded Leon Washington for him, or people don't like that they cut Danny Woodhead because they didn't want to cut bait with McKnight. The vomiting last year didn't help, but he can't control the other things.

Glad he did something in a meaningful game to help us win. I'm a little down on Shonn Greene right now, and there's a decent chance that either McKnight or Powell will have to play a big role down the stretch. I like McKnight's skill-set. I view him more as a third-down back, which LT already dominates, but there's always room for a 5-11, 205 lb guy who can catch the ball and is as athletic as he is.

Now, his defenders have tangible evidence to latch onto that he helped us win a game that matters. Besides that Buffalo game, which shouldn't be completely dismissed at all, either.
Well said Mack.

It just proves it takes 3 years to judge a prospect.

McKnight is showing the potential he had coming out of college. We have to tip our cap to this kid getting a culture shock once he became a pro, and wants to do nothing but become a great player to prove everyone wrong.

[jets_fan_in_fishtown]

It wasn't insane to think the Jets should bring in competition for Folk or replace him. 77% isn't great. Novak was pretty solid competition given what's out there. Folk beat him out. No problem with that.

As for McKnight, his problems are mostly out of his control: people don't like that they traded Leon Washington for him, or people don't like that they cut Danny Woodhead because they didn't want to cut bait with McKnight. The vomiting last year didn't help, but he can't control the other things.

Glad he did something in a meaningful game to help us win. I'm a little down on Shonn Greene right now, and there's a decent chance that either McKnight or Powell will have to play a big role down the stretch. I like McKnight's skill-set. I view him more as a third-down back, which LT already dominates, but there's always room for a 5-11, 205 lb guy who can catch the ball and is as athletic as he is.

Now, his defenders have tangible evidence to latch onto that he helped us win a game that matters. Besides that Buffalo game, which shouldn't be completely dismissed at all, either.

why are you down on Greene? The offensive line didn't open up any running lanes.

i don't think it was a coincidence we threw the ball so much

[jets_fan_in_fishtown]

Good McNight, Scotty

[Lynkx]

why are you down on Greene? The offensive line didn't open up any running lanes.

i don't think it was a coincidence we threw the ball so much

Agreed. I wasn't impressed with our o-line last night. Maybe it's cause I'm spoiled, but I didn't see any of the huge holes we are used to seeing.

[kbgreen]

McKnight made a great play! Good for him and I think we will continue see more flashes from him going forward. This is the way to get more oportunities!

[gustoonarmy]

why are you down on Greene? The offensive line didn't open up any running lanes.

i don't think it was a coincidence we threw the ball so much

Agreed. I wasn't impressed with our o-line last night. Maybe it's cause I'm spoiled, but I didn't see any of the huge holes we are used to seeing.

Seriously?
Ask yourselves this question, Are the Dallas D crap? (apart from their secondary), this is also a Rob Ryan D.
Our Oline is far from perfect, but is still loads better than most NFL teams.
Ware was on fire last night, as was Lee.
I'll be very very surprised if Dallas are not in the POs. As the season goes on, I'm sure this win will seem all the more impressive.

[Dirty6Sanchez]

It wasn't insane to think the Jets should bring in competition for Folk or replace him. 77% isn't great. Novak was pretty solid competition given what's out there. Folk beat him out. No problem with that.

As for McKnight, his problems are mostly out of his control: people don't like that they traded Leon Washington for him, or people don't like that they cut Danny Woodhead because they didn't want to cut bait with McKnight. The vomiting last year didn't help, but he can't control the other things.

Glad he did something in a meaningful game to help us win. I'm a little down on Shonn Greene right now, and there's a decent chance that either McKnight or Powell will have to play a big role down the stretch. I like McKnight's skill-set. I view him more as a third-down back, which LT already dominates, but there's always room for a 5-11, 205 lb guy who can catch the ball and is as athletic as he is.


Now, his defenders have tangible evidence to latch onto that he helped us win a game that matters. Besides that Buffalo game, which shouldn't be completely dismissed at all, either.

I'm not gonna throw Greene under the bus yet. We hardly ran the ball at all, and when we did there was nowhere to go

[AlioTheFool]

I'm down on Greene myself. I've actually held my tongue for a while with him, but I'm going to say it now. He's a 1 down per 4 running back. He's Thomas Jones reincarnated.

LT gets more yardage simply because he doesn't run north-south on a straight line. Greene is "put my head down and run" and it's not going to penetrate to the second level, just like TJ. I have problems with the way the line played last night but Greene doesn't, and hasn't, looked good since his playoff explosion that sent Jones packing.

I want McKnight to get opportunities. He's got explosiveness. If you want to run the ball, you need a guy who can command respect by more than the front 4. Greene doesn't command any respect outside of the line and maybe one LB.

The kid has done everything within his own ability to warrant a shot. It's time to give it to him.

[Italian Seafood]

If Greene doesn't get on that roll like he did late in the season his first two years, I'd think McKnight is the next guy who will get a chance. Later in the year LT but for most of the season if it's not Greene it should be McKnight. Both of them need to hold onto the ball or it will be someone else.

[Franchize]

If Greene doesn't get on that roll like he did late in the season his first two years, I'd think McKnight is the next guy who will get a chance. Later in the year LT but for most of the season if it's not Greene it should be McKnight. Both of them need to hold onto the ball or it will be someone else.

He made a play on special teams unblocked. It still doesnt compensate for his lack of skils as a running back.I dont think Greene played that poorly to begin with but if he's not the running back we hope he'll be...then we better go get another runnng back. McKnight isn't the answer.

[NDmick]

He made a play on special teams unblocked. It still doesnt compensate for his lack of skils as a running back.I dont think Greene played that poorly to begin with but if he's not the running back we hope he'll be...then we better go get another runnng back. McKnight isn't the answer.
McKnight has all the skills to be a weapon in the run and the passing game.

He isn't going to be a feature back, but he has the skills to play in this offense.

LT is going to be used way more than McKnight and Greene when the Jets are behind because he can do everything, not just one specific role that tips the defense to what is going to happen.

[Mr Electric]

If you actually thought LT would take a backseat to Greene, then I don't know what to tell you.

Even at his age, LT is the far more versatile, more dangerous player.

Greene's not making much money. He's done well for this team in a lot of games, but he's an easily replaceable back - fact is, most RBs are replaceable.

You can't replace LT's leadership and knowledge in this game. Sanchez relied heavily on him, especially on third down. I fucking love what Tomlinson's done for Mark Sanchez and this offense.

Bilal Powell will most likely replace Greene if he doesn't start playing more consistent football. Joe McKnight will hopefully replace LT when he calls it quits.

[Mr Electric]

LT is going to be used way more than McKnight and Greene when the Jets are behind because he can do everything, not just one specific role that tips the defense to what is going to happen.

I hope the Jets get up big on Jacksonville so LT can get a break.

Hopefully Powell is active. He and McKnight will take some wear and tear off of Greene and LT.

We're going to need LT against good teams. Let's just hope the Hall of Famer holds up.

[ukilledkenny]

I would expect more Greene between the tackles the next few games. When the jets are in passing mode it would be foolish not to have LT out there. He is a more seasoned blocker and receiver. The fact of the matter is that when he is on the field the whole playbook is available to the offense. Can't say the same about any of the other backs.

[NDmick]

When the Jets have a lead and Greene can wear down defenses, then faith will be restored in him.

Last night was not Greene's kind of game, because the Jets were down and it was pass time.

[NDmick]

I hope the Jets get up big on Jacksonville so LT can get a break.

Hopefully Powell is active. He and McKnight will take some wear and tear off of Greene and LT.

We're going to need LT against good teams. Let's just hope the Hall of Famer holds up.
That's what I'm thinking as well.

The Jets need to take advantage of using LT against playoff teams, allow his dynamic plays to keep the offense rolling.

But JAX and OAK, he needs 4 touches in those games, and the Jets need to have the lead the entire game. There is no excuse for the Jets to not kick the shit out of both of them.

[SufferingJetsFan]

I'd like to see Greene get at least 18-20 carries against Jax. Wouldn't mind McKnight having 3-5 as well if the game dictates it. Hopefully, to utilize him effectively and save his legs, LT only gets touches on a few passes out of the backfield.

[MikeHoncho]

I hope the Jets get up big on Jacksonville so LT can get a break.

Hopefully Powell is active. He and McKnight will take some wear and tear off of Greene and LT.

We're going to need LT against good teams. Let's just hope the Hall of Famer holds up.

The key to LT is not lining him up and ramming him up the middle into the teeth of the defense 15 times a game like they did last year. When he gets out in space and catches the ball he doesn't take those big shots because he gets into the secondary and goes up against much smaller players.

You are totally right we need to conserve him for the big games and the stretch run into the playoffs. He in his 3rd down role that we saw last night is actually a far more important part of the offense than Shonn Greene is getting 200+ carries this year. If anything were to happen to Greene, we would have to go to Powell and McKnight and not be tempted to throw LT back into the feature role. He's too important doing what he's doing now.

[Mr Electric]

But JAX and OAK, he needs 4 touches in those games, and the Jets need to have the lead the entire game. There is no excuse for the Jets to not kick the shit out of both of them.

Jacksonville's bad.

I'll be paying close attention to Oakland tonight, because I feel like they're on the verge of getting out of that mediocrity stage. They have a lot of talent on their roster.

The Jets are definitely much better than the Raiders, but it may not be an easy game.

[........]

He made a play on special teams unblocked. It still doesnt compensate for his lack of skils as a running back.I dont think Greene played that poorly to begin with but if he's not the running back we hope he'll be...then we better go get another runnng back. McKnight isn't the answer.

We got another running back in this year's draft. Perhaps you missed that. McKnight isn't Shonn Greene; they don't fill the same role. However, to label McKnight as someone who lacks skills as a running back is still just silly.

[........]

Jacksonville's bad.

I'll be paying close attention to Oakland tonight, because I feel like they're on the verge of getting out of that mediocrity stage. They have a lot of talent on their roster.

The Jets are definitely much better than the Raiders, but it may not be an easy game.

With one rather notable exception, it's never easy when the Jets go to Oakland. I love the fact that Zach Miller is out of Oakland, though. They'll have a tougher time attacking our biggest weakness with Kevin Boss.

[Italian Seafood]

The key to LT is not lining him up and ramming him up the middle into the teeth of the defense 15 times a game like they did last year. When he gets out in space and catches the ball he doesn't take those big shots because he gets into the secondary and goes up against much smaller players.

You are totally right we need to conserve him for the big games and the stretch run into the playoffs. He in his 3rd down role that we saw last night is actually a far more important part of the offense than Shonn Greene is getting 200+ carries this year. If anything were to happen to Greene, we would have to go to Powell and McKnight and not be tempted to throw LT back into the feature role. He's too important doing what he's doing now.

I agree. We need LT to last and be fresh at the end, someone else had to ram it into the line all year, it either has to be Greene or McKnight.

[Mr Electric]

I agree. We need LT to last and be fresh at the end, someone else had to ram it into the line all year, it either has to be Greene or McKnight.

You guys keep forgetting about Bilal Powell. He's a between-the-tackles back.

He'll be active against inferior competition. I want to see what he can do running behind our first team line.

[MikeHoncho]

Jacksonville's bad.

I'll be paying close attention to Oakland tonight, because I feel like they're on the verge of getting out of that mediocrity stage. They have a lot of talent on their roster.

The Jets are definitely much better than the Raiders, but it may not be an easy game.

The Jets usually have trouble when they go out to Oakland, except when they had the joke Jamarcus Russell qb'ing anyway. Won't be an easy game, but the Raiders don't match up well with the Jets.

The Jets are excellent at stuffing the run, and that's the Raiders bread and butter. The Jets D struggles when teams can spread them out and get mismatches with an elite TE against the safeties. Oakland has Kevin Boss, who is hardly elite and a bunch of speedy but average receivers. Plus the Raiders D sucks against the run.. could be a great game to get the ground and pound back on track.

[jets_fan_in_fishtown]

Jacksonville's bad.

I'll be paying close attention to Oakland tonight, because I feel like they're on the verge of getting out of that mediocrity stage. They have a lot of talent on their roster.

The Jets are definitely much better than the Raiders, but it may not be an easy game.

1000% disagree there. They were that way last year. IMHO they were better than mediocre last year. If they won that game in Arizona where Janakowski missed a gimme FG early in the season, that division would have turned out different.

thing is, since then, they lost two of their best players. Nmandi and zach miller are both gone.

and jason campbell sucks

[AlioTheFool]

You guys keep forgetting about Bilal Powell. He's a between-the-tackles back.

He'll be active against inferior competition. I want to see what he can do running behind our first team line.

I'm curious about Powell because I have yet to really see much of him. By the time he played in the preseason games I was barely paying attention anymore. Do you think he'll play this week?

I have no issue with it not being McKnight that takes carries from Greene, or if it's LT (who I'm a huge fan of). The only thing I care about is having a back who can get some yards. I just don't feel Greene can.

[Mr Electric]

1000% disagree there. They were that way last year. IMHO they were better than mediocre last year. If they won that game in Arizona where Janakowski missed a gimme FG early in the season, that division would have turned out different.

If you don't make the playoffs, you're mediocre in my book.

I think the Raiders will play us a lot tougher than a lot of you guys seem to think. They have solid receivers and two very capable backs.

Their front seven is very good too.

[Mr Electric]

I'm curious about Powell because I have yet to really see much of him. By the time he played in the preseason games I was barely paying attention anymore. Do you think he'll play this week?

I'm hoping that our younger guys get a lot of reps against a bad JAX team.

If he's active next week, I'll expect him to get some reps.

I have no issue with it not being McKnight that takes carries from Greene, or if it's LT (who I'm a huge fan of). The only thing I care about is having a back who can get some yards. I just don't feel Greene can.

Shonn Greene is just inconsistent. We've seen him perform well plenty of times, but his play is just spotty.

I'm willing to bet that Joe McKnight earned some offensive reps with that blocked punt last night. Rex will reward him for that.

[Mr Electric]

The Jets usually have trouble when they go out to Oakland, except when they had the joke Jamarcus Russell qb'ing anyway. Won't be an easy game, but the Raiders don't match up well with the Jets.

The Jets are excellent at stuffing the run, and that's the Raiders bread and butter. The Jets D struggles when teams can spread them out and get mismatches with an elite TE against the safeties. Oakland has Kevin Boss, who is hardly elite and a bunch of speedy but average receivers. Plus the Raiders D sucks against the run.. could be a great game to get the ground and pound back on track.

The Jets are also weak against the screen game and McFadden is a dangerous receiver out of the backfield.

I think the Jets will win, but it won't be a blowout victory.

[AlioTheFool]

I'm hoping that our younger guys get a lot of reps against a bad JAX team.

If he's active next week, I'll expect him to get some reps.

Shonn Greene is just inconsistent. We've seen him perform well plenty of times, but his play is just spotty.

I'm willing to bet that Joe McKnight earned some offensive reps with that blocked punt last night. Rex will reward him for that.

I don't necessarily disagree on Greene, though I think it's been long enough since he's been on the good side of inconsistent that he shouldn't be viewed as the "answer" in the running game.

I just want to see if we have other weapons out of the backfield. I agree McKnight likely earned some snaps on that play.

[Italian Seafood]

You guys keep forgetting about Bilal Powell. He's a between-the-tackles back.

He'll be active against inferior competition. I want to see what he can do running behind our first team line.

I wasn't sure where he landed after cutdown, but I liked him in the pre-season.

[Franchize]

We got another running back in this year's draft. Perhaps you missed that. McKnight isn't Shonn Greene; they don't fill the same role. However, to label McKnight as someone who lacks skills as a running back is still just silly.

Is it really? What exactly has he done to prove otherwise? He's a poor man's Reggie Bush. He can't run between the tackles and he's fumble prone. You always act like you're in a relationship with the Jets players dude. Everytime I criticize someone,here you come to the rescue. Bottom line is, if he's EVER our starter, we're in trouble. I've seen nothing in Powell to think he's a big time player either but the verdict remains out on him. Keep it real. Joe McKnight is a fast guy...thats it. He isn't remarkably elusive. He doesn't burst in and out of holes. Please tell me what he's done to prove he can be the "next guy"...and please don't bring up that BS game in Buffalo last year. Honestly,if it weren't for where we drafted him, he might not even be on the team.

[Mr Electric]

Bottom line is, if he's EVER our starter, we're in trouble.

I sifted through your garbage, clusterfuck of a post and noticed this...

Actually, the bottom line is this: you know nothing about football.

You're complaining about informed NYJ fans standing up for capable players. In fact, you're always complaining. This team doesn't have a single player on it that you won't bitch about - it's annoying as fuck.

Keep it real? ...the fuck?

Wait, there's another bottom line: quit your bitching and people will stop calling you out.

[Franchize]

I sifted through your garbage, clusterfuck of a post and noticed this...

Actually, the bottom line is this: you know nothing about football.

You're complaining about informed NYJ fans standing up for capable players. In fact, you're always complaining. This team doesn't have a single player on it that you won't bitch about - it's annoying as fuck.

Keep it real? ...the fuck?

Wait, there's another bottom line: quit your bitching and people will stop calling you out.

You're pretty gay. That's the "bottom line". It's official. You and that other dude are clearly butt buddies because if there is a disagreement with one...here comes the other. I thought we were grown ass men. Once again, you try to insult my knowledge of football with NOTHING pertaining to football. Keep that faggot shit to yourself. We've gone through this already. If you don't have FOOTBALL to talk to me, simply ignore me. How is something "annoying" online? It isn't an actual conversation stupid. You can simply scroll pass.

What a homo :rofl: "MY friend is in trouble...this guy isn't suckin off the players...he actually knows football and has something negative to say about things we did last night." Newsflash, we didnt play well last night! Also, I had multiple entire posts today speaking about what the PROS of our game lastnight. I gave credit where it was due, especially to players I dont particularly care for.

Your post consist of :
"You're dumb."
"Your grammar is incorrect."
"That post was a clusterfuck."


How about proving why I'm wrong? You can't do that because as I said before YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!! None of your criticism of me ever is football related. None of your post PERIOD are football related. You are a virgin who has nothing to do but sit around and grammar check people.

P.S. Being a poster on this site or any other site DOES NOT make you an expert on the game!

[Franchize]

Sorry guys...Joe McKnight is the greatest player on Earth. Barry Sanders X 100. We should cut Shonne Greene now!

HAPPY?!!!

[MBGreen]

You're pretty gay. That's the "bottom line". It's official. You and that other dude are clearly butt buddies because if there is a disagreement with one...here comes the other. I thought we were grown ass men. Once again, you try to insult my knowledge of football with NOTHING pertaining to football. Keep that faggot shit to yourself. We've gone through this already. If you don't have FOOTBALL to talk to me, simply ignore me. How is something "annoying" online? It isn't an actual conversation stupid. You can simply scroll pass.

What a homo :rofl: "MY friend is in trouble...this guy isn't suckin off the players...he actually knows football and has something negative to say about things we did last night." Newsflash, we didnt play well last night! Also, I had multiple entire posts today speaking about what the PROS of our game lastnight. I gave credit where it was due, especially to players I dont particularly care for.

Your post consist of :
"You're dumb."
"Your grammar is incorrect."
"That post was a clusterfuck."


How about proving why I'm wrong? You can't do that because as I said before YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!! None of your criticism of me ever is football related. None of your post PERIOD are football related. You are a virgin who has nothing to do but sit around and grammar check people.

P.S. Being a poster on this site or any other site DOES NOT make you an expert on the game!
enjoy your 10 days off.

[Mr Electric]

You're pretty gay. That's the "bottom line". It's official. You and that other dude are clearly butt buddies because if there is a disagreement with one...here comes the other. I thought we were grown ass men. Once again, you try to insult my knowledge of football with NOTHING pertaining to football. Keep that faggot shit to yourself. We've gone through this already. If you don't have FOOTBALL to talk to me, simply ignore me. How is something "annoying" online? It isn't an actual conversation stupid. You can simply scroll pass.

What a homo :rofl: "MY friend is in trouble...this guy isn't suckin off the players...he actually knows football and has something negative to say about things we did last night." Newsflash, we didnt play well last night! Also, I had multiple entire posts today speaking about what the PROS of our game lastnight. I gave credit where it was due, especially to players I dont particularly care for.

Your post consist of :
"You're dumb."
"Your grammar is incorrect."
"That post was a clusterfuck."


How about proving why I'm wrong? You can't do that because as I said before YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!! None of your criticism of me ever is football related. None of your post PERIOD are football related. You are a virgin who has nothing to do but sit around and grammar check people.

P.S. Being a poster on this site or any other site DOES NOT make you an expert on the game!

I'm afraid that firing back with an intelligent response wouldn't work out here because of a few things:

1. You're most likely incapable of grasping any kind of well thought out football talk.

2. You're most likely going to get banned for this post, so you won't be able to respond for quite some time.

P.S. Good McNight, Sweet Prince.

[........]

Is it really? What exactly has he done to prove otherwise? He's a poor man's Reggie Bush. He can't run between the tackles and he's fumble prone.

He's the 3rd RB in a 2 man timeshare. What opportunity has he had (aside from that Buffalo game I'm not allowed to talk about) to run against a #1 defense with a #1 OL? The last time he received ample opportunity to do so, he had a productive season out of a phenomenal time share at USC. What's worse, me stating that he has talent (which is demonstrated), or you completely writing off his skills because he hasn't had the opportunity to demonstrate them with top level talent?

He's a one cut zone back. He can absolutely run between the tackles in our system, but of course he's going to struggle when our 2nd string OL doesn't open holes for him. He averaged more than 4 yards per carry in limited action in the preseason despite there rarely being a hole open. If he struggles with our first team offense in his chances this season, by all means, throw him under the bus.

You always act like you're in a relationship with the Jets players dude. Everytime I criticize someone,here you come to the rescue.

No. Honest criticism is something I value and respond well to. Talk about how frustrating it was seeing McKnight last TC. Talk about the problems Sanchez still has with his decision making at times, and how people tend to overrate him on the board by assuming he's a lock to be a top 10 QB this season. Talk about how Derrick Mason clearly isn't on the same page with the QB yet. Talk about Eric Smith's coverage problems. Talk about Schotty's shortcomings.

What I have a problem with, and what you tend to do frequently and egregiously, is this wholesale hyperbolic dismissal of players. I can't stand it when people like you make these sweeping knee jerk proclamations. It's absurd.

Bottom line is, if he's EVER our starter, we're in trouble.

Well no shit. Like I said, that's not his role.

I've seen nothing in Powell to think he's a big time player either but the verdict remains out on him.

Wait. So, McKnight, successful in limited regular season activity = bust, but Powell gets a pass? I'd argue both of them are unproven until they're needed and receive an opportunity.

Keep it real. Joe McKnight is a fast guy...thats it. He isn't remarkably elusive. He doesn't burst in and out of holes. Please tell me what he's done to prove he can be the "next guy"...and please don't bring up that BS game in Buffalo last year. Honestly,if it weren't for where we drafted him, he might not even be on the team.

I'm really beginning to think you've only watched Joe McKnight behind the 2nd string lines. This assessment is completely off base.

[........]

Sorry guys...Joe McKnight is the greatest player on Earth. Barry Sanders X 100. We should cut Shonne Greene now!

HAPPY?!!!

No. That's a clear overreaction in the opposite direction and equally inappropriate. Reading that does not make me happy in the slightest.

Also...Shonn.

[#28Martin]

I'm hoping that our younger guys get a lot of reps against a bad JAX team.

If he's active next week, I'll expect him to get some reps.



Shonn Greene is just inconsistent. We've seen him perform well plenty of times, but his play is just spotty.

I'm willing to bet that Joe McKnight earned some offensive reps with that blocked punt last night. Rex will reward him for that.

You're that confident that it'll come to that, as far as the younger guys getting alot of reps?

[Mr Electric]

You're that confident that it'll come to that, as far as the younger guys getting alot of reps?

I'm never one to overlook an opponent, but Jacksonville is pretty horrible.

Luke McCown will be eaten alive by Ryan's blitzing.

Marcedes Lewis and MJD always pose a threat, but I doubt they'll be able to do enough.

[........]

You're that confident that it'll come to that, as far as the younger guys getting alot of reps?

I'd imagine McKnight gets the rock if we take a solid lead, but I don't think Powell will be active until late in the season.

[Mr Electric]

I'd imagine McKnight gets the rock if we take a solid lead, but I don't think Powell will be active until late in the season.

McKnight earned about five to eight touches with that block. Hopefully the staff rewards him - maybe we'll see him return kicks/punts since Cromartie and Kerley didn't really stand out.

Kenrick Ellis will most likely be active over Bilal Powell. The Jags aren't loaded at running back behind MJD, but running the ball is the only thing that offense can do with McCown under center.

I predict a lot of three and outs by Jacksonville.

[colleen74]

Jacksonville's bad.

I'll be paying close attention to Oakland tonight, because I feel like they're on the verge of getting out of that mediocrity stage. They have a lot of talent on their roster.

The Jets are definitely much better than the Raiders, but it may not be an easy game.

Are you fucking serious!??? YOU gave ME shit for saying the EXACT SAME THING.

[........]

Are you fucking serious!??? YOU gave ME shit for saying the EXACT SAME THING.

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LOL...neither!! That was a completely reasonable outburst. I am a woman and we are nothing if not reasonable.

[Jetfanmack]

He's the 3rd RB in a 2 man timeshare. What opportunity has he had (aside from that Buffalo game I'm not allowed to talk about) to run against a #1 defense with a #1 OL? The last time he received ample opportunity to do so, he had a productive season out of a phenomenal time share at USC. What's worse, me stating that he has talent (which is demonstrated), or you completely writing off his skills because he hasn't had the opportunity to demonstrate them with top level talent?

He's a one cut zone back. He can absolutely run between the tackles in our system, but of course he's going to struggle when our 2nd string OL doesn't open holes for him. He averaged more than 4 yards per carry in limited action in the preseason despite there rarely being a hole open. If he struggles with our first team offense in his chances this season, by all means, throw him under the bus.



No. Honest criticism is something I value and respond well to. Talk about how frustrating it was seeing McKnight last TC. Talk about the problems Sanchez still has with his decision making at times, and how people tend to overrate him on the board by assuming he's a lock to be a top 10 QB this season. Talk about how Derrick Mason clearly isn't on the same page with the QB yet. Talk about Eric Smith's coverage problems. Talk about Schotty's shortcomings.

What I have a problem with, and what you tend to do frequently and egregiously, is this wholesale hyperbolic dismissal of players. I can't stand it when people like you make these sweeping knee jerk proclamations. It's absurd.



Well no shit. Like I said, that's not his role.



Wait. So, McKnight, successful in limited regular season activity = bust, but Powell gets a pass? I'd argue both of them are unproven until they're needed and receive an opportunity.



I'm really beginning to think you've only watched Joe McKnight behind the 2nd string lines. This assessment is completely off base.

Can't really put it better myself.

McKnight is a bust, based on what? LT and Greene stayed healthy last year, so there was little need for McKnight. Now, if he was inactive all year last year, you might have a point. But he eventually got activated, and while we never needed him to play, other than that meaningless Bills game, there's nothing to say he's a bust. The only 39 carries he has in the NFL, albeit all in garbage time and games, he averaged 4.8 YPC.

You never really want him to be the guy because he's more of a complementary back, a third down back guy who could play the role LT has now.

He could completely suck. He could be better than anyone expects. But no one knows because he's never gotten a real chance with LT and Greene in front of him. We'll see if that changes this year.

[Mr Electric]

Are you fucking serious!??? YOU gave ME shit for saying the EXACT SAME THING.

No, I gave you shit for leaving the kitchen.

You said we'll lose to Oakland. I said they won't be as easy as people think, but we'll still win about two scores.

People on this board hate the Raiders so they just assume they are a terrible team. That's not true anymore. They have some weapons.

[NDmick]

No, I gave you shit for leaving the kitchen.

You said we'll lose to Oakland. I said they won't be as easy as people think, but we'll still win about two scores.

People on this board hate the Raiders so they just assume they are a terrible team. That's not true anymore. They have some weapons.
They have weapons, but until they get a QB who can decipher a Rex Ryan defense I won't give them credit.

And I like Jason Campbell.

The Jets matchup well with the Raiders, and are a tougher team.

And I love the fact that this team gave them the worst beating in their own building in the history of their franchise.

[NDmick]

McKnight earned about five to eight touches with that block. Hopefully the staff rewards him - maybe we'll see him return kicks/punts since Cromartie and Kerley didn't really stand out.

Kenrick Ellis will most likely be active over Bilal Powell. The Jags aren't loaded at running back behind MJD, but running the ball is the only thing that offense can do with McCown under center.

I predict a lot of three and outs by Jacksonville.
And I expect one or two sack fumbles.

Its Josh McCown.

[Mr Electric]

Its Josh McCown.

Josh McCown > Luke McCown (who plays QB for JAX)

[NDmick]

Josh McCown > Luke McCown (who plays QB for JAX)
I don't even know who's throwing the football.

I'm surprised I didn't say Cade McNown.

[NDmick]

McFuck this thread, Joe.
I agree.

MotherMcFuck this thread, Joe.


But, but, but Leon Washington cannot be replaced!!!!!!

[Revis is your daddy]

I agree.

MotherMcFuck this thread, Joe.


But, but, but Leon Washington cannot be replaced!!!!!!

Brad Smith would have returned that kick with no shoes.

[JCotchrocket]

motherfucking blitz! Awesome, joe!

[Aero]

I was about to ask if he can play o-line... but Al Michaels beat me to it.

[rinvesto]

Best player on team

[NDmick]

Best player on team
Today, yes. Yes he is.

[theBidet]

i like how he's seeing more time on the field due to his successes.
anyone still think woodhead is better?

[NDmick]

i like how he's seeing more time on the field due to his successes.
anyone still think woodhead is better?
If the Jets ran a spread offense, Woodhead would be here and be doing well.


But Woodhead has nothing to do with Joe McKnight.

Pretend he was never on this team. He'd never survive here, and he didn't.

[theBidet]

If the Jets ran a spread offense, Woodhead would be here and be doing well.


But Woodhead has nothing to do with Joe McKnight.

Pretend he was never on this team. He'd never survive here, and he didn't.fair points. i was more just bringing up the whole, "why did we cut woodhead and keep someone who threw up/out of shape/yada yada" bullshit.

like i said, its nice to see him getting more time, bc he's doing well when he gets it.

[nyjunc]

i like how he's seeing more time on the field due to his successes.
anyone still think woodhead is better?

Woodhead is clearly better so far, Woodhead is a factor on offense. McKnight has only been a factor on STs. That doesn't mean we made the wrong move as Joe is getting better and hopefully will start contributing on O soon while Woodhead was not a contributor here.

[IATA]

Woodhead is clearly better so far, Woodhead is a factor on offense. McKnight has only been a factor on STs. That doesn't mean we made the wrong move as Joe is getting better and hopefully will start contributing on O soon while Woodhead was not a contributor here.

i wouldnt say woodhead is better. i'd say he's in an offense that better suits his style and approach.

[BadgerOnLSD]

Woodhead wasn't really much of a contributor for us in his second year. McKnight's already made 3 big plays this season.

[Shemy]

one of the few positives out of that fvkn mess last night

[........]

i wouldnt say woodhead is better. i'd say he's in an offense that better suits his style and approach.

That's what he just said. Woodhead has had a better career so far, but he wouldn't have been as good in our system.

[ace_o_spades]

Woodhead wasn't really much of a contributor for us in his second year. McKnight's already made 3 big plays this season.

yea but he puked in camp last year

[legler82]

I love the fact that McKnight got a defensive rep. Based on Rex's presser today, it sounds like this might not be a one time occurence. According to Rex he continues to get some defensive reps in practice and is doing well. I think it's great cause I know that's something he's been wanting to do since USC but couldn't because he was too valuable to the offense.

To think less than a year ago I got lambbasted on these boards for suggesting he gets some reps on the defensive side of the ball in a meaningless game. I tried to bump the thread but I had forgotten that a moderator thought it was such a horrendous topic that it needed to be closed. Got to love TGG...LOL

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[NDmick]

I love the fact that McKnight got a defensive rep. Based on Rex's presser today, it sounds like this might not be a one time occurence. According to Rex he continues to get some defensive reps in practice and is doing well. I think it's great cause I know that's something he's been wanting to do since USC but couldn't because he was too valuable to the offense.

To think less than a year ago I got lambbasted on these boards for suggesting he gets some reps on the defensive side of the ball in a meaningless game. I tried to bump the thread but I had forgotten that a moderator thought it was such a horrendous topic that it needed to be closed. Got to love TGG...LOL

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you never said blitz him.

You said let him cover someone in a meaningless game, when in that meaningless game he showed that he belongs in this league.

Not the same, but nice try.

[inSANITy]

Woodhead has been pretty much a nonfactor this season.

[NDmick]

Woodhead has been pretty much a nonfactor this season.
Yeah I looked at his stats today.

Ridley just had a huge game, and the Law Firm is still the #1 RB.

The scheme-specific little man is having a reduced role.

[legler82]

you never said blitz him.

You said let him cover someone in a meaningless game, when in that meaningless game he showed that he belongs in this league.

Not the same, but nice try.

LOL...Based on this petty response you must have been part of the firing squad.

Anyway Rex hinted he may get that chance to cover this year. I thought the Buffalo game last year would have been the perfect time to give him some reps since it was meaningless. Sounds like it might happen in game that counts. I personally would love to see it since I've been hearing about his great coverage skills since USC. Also would be happy for him since he's been trying to get some time on defense for a while now. Not sure what the vehement push back was all about then and now but whatever.

No I think he has that kind of ability. I mean i think he can be a guy that can play defense. You know a guy that can blitz I think he has great cover skills. I see it out here in practice. You know...I'm like..if we had the draft all over again, you look at him. Look at his measurables. He's what 6 foot, 205 pounds, can run a sub 4.4; that's pretty good corner measurables. You know but again he's a running back and all that but he's a talent and so if we can use him to cover somebody and all that, I think he has that kind of ability.

-10/3/2011 Rex Ryan on Joe Mcknight playing more on defense

[Cakes]

Yeah I looked at his stats today.

Ridley just had a huge game, and the Law Firm is still the #1 RB.

The scheme-specific little man is having a reduced role.

I think Ridley will be the #1 back by the end of the season.

[legler82]

I think Ridley will be the #1 back by the end of the season.

Sometimes RBs look a lot better in spot duty than they do as the #1 guy.

[........]

Yeah I looked at his stats today.

Ridley just had a huge game, and the Law Firm is still the #1 RB.

The scheme-specific little man is having a reduced role.

Well, he's also hurt, which ain't helping his cause.

[NDmick]

LOL...Based on this petty response you must have been part of the firing squad.

Anyway Rex hinted he may get that chance to cover this year. I thought the Buffalo game last year would have been the perfect time to give him some reps since it was meaningless. Sounds like it might happen in game that counts. I personally would love to see it since I've been hearing about his great coverage skills since USC. Also would be happy for him since he's been trying to get some time on defense for a while now. Not sure what the vehement push back was all about then and now but whatever.

No I think he has that kind of ability. I mean i think he can be a guy that can play defense. You know a guy that can blitz I think he has great cover skills. I see it out here in practice. You know...I'm like..if we had the draft all over again, you look at him. Look at his measurables. He's what 6 foot, 205 pounds, can run a sub 4.4; that's pretty good corner measurables. You know but again he's a running back and all that but he's a talent and so if we can use him to cover somebody and all that, I think he has that kind of ability.

-10/3/2011 Rex Ryan on Joe Mcknight playing more on defense
You wanted a rookie to play CB. Its different when Troy Vincent is a 7 year vet

The kid's head was swimming and he was still getting acclimated to the NFL and you wanted to make him play CB in a game that he could get a chance to play RB in. It was a bad thread.

[NDmick]

Well, he's also hurt, which ain't helping his cause.
ah, didn't know.

Well fuck him anyway he's a patriot.

[........]

ah, didn't know.

Well fuck him anyway he's a patriot.

Lol. Yeah, I'm not losing sleep over it.

[Murrell2878]

I like the idea of utilizing McKnight's versatility, but our running game needs a spark. I don't know if McKnight can give the running game that spark but I'm starting to really want to see if he can.

[AlioTheFool]

I like the idea of utilizing McKnight's versatility, but our running game needs a spark. I don't know if McKnight can give the running game that spark but I'm starting to really want to see if he can.

This.

(fillerup)

[ukilledkenny]

For those keeping score at home.

Impact plays by McKnight - 2

By woodhead - 0

[Murrell2878]

For those keeping score at home.

Impact plays by McKnight - 2

By woodhead - 0

Doesn't McKnight have 3 impact plays? Blocked punt, KOR TD & the blitz?

[ukilledkenny]

Doesn't McKnight have 3 impact plays? Blocked punt, KOR TD & the blitz?

I thought the blitz was iffy. He kinda gave up on it and it seemed flacco just made a bad read. Obviously McKnight coming at him forced the pass but it didn't feel like as big a play for him as the other two.

[emania55]

One thing is for damn sure the kid wants the ball.
And we could use a back with that mentality behind this line.

[Biggs]

One thing is for damn sure the kid wants the ball.
And we could use a back with that mentality behind this line.

Agreed he has earned some carries and he might well be a great 2 way player if he is only going to be a third down back?

[emania55]

if he's a 3rd down back he has to pick up the blitz.

[laxin]

He needs to be put in on offense. Shonn Greene running into a big pile of nothing is just not doing it. They should put Mcknight in at RB and do some quick screens and pitch/outside runs. The Jets had success running the ball against Oakland to the outside and right now running up the middle isnt working.

He's most definitely earned the playing time and Rex needs to stop being so loyal to his word as Greene being the feature back and give this explosive kid some touches

[Rockefella]

I'm gonna pick him up in fantasy football because I'm gangsta like that.

[624]

Doesn't McKnight have 3 impact plays? Blocked punt, KOR TD & the blitz?

He also forced a fumble that wasn't recovered.

[legler82]

You wanted a rookie to play CB. Its different when Troy Vincent is a 7 year vet

The kid's head was swimming and he was still getting acclimated to the NFL and you wanted to make him play CB in a game that he could get a chance to play RB in. It was a bad thread.

Now it's because he was a rookie. Dude don't hurt yourself reaching so hard.

[Mr Electric]

He also forced a fumble that wasn't recovered.

I wonder if his bitch made him a cake after the game?

[Mr Electric]

Dude don't hurt yourself reaching so hard.

Don't hurt yourself giving so many reach arounds.

[legler82]

Don't hurt yourself giving so many reach arounds.

Ouch that hurts. Very admirable of you to come to a butt buddy's defense. I get it; I'll leave him alone. I don't want any trouble.

[NDmick]

Now it's because he was a rookie. Dude don't hurt yourself reaching so hard.
If facts are a reach then fuck everything.