Good McNight, Joe

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

That was on PRs not KRs.



That backfield isn't weak at all and they are bringing him along slowly. he's already ahead of where he should have been at this point but they obviously want to limit his touches for now.

justin forsett and julius jones is about as weak a duo as there is in the league

we are getting washingtons value to this team from LdT and brad smith. he might have had a role if he was here but we are getting that production anyway

so we got a 5th for someone who we are not missing, yet you still complain

[SuppaMan]

I can say w/ confidence we'll sooner se Leon contributing on O than we will see McKnight.

Leon has barely touched the ball so his YPC doesn't disturb me as much as say Shonn Greene and his 3.5 YPC.

That's great that he is saying that now, it's easy to say now.


I thought you meant SD's STs were shoddy in general up to that point.

Actually your quote was "He's had two KOR for touchdowns against shoddy special teams"(post #231)


Again, you are acting like we couldn't get Connor w/o trading Leon which is 100% incorrect.

Leon can't cut, has lost a lot of his high-end agility and quickness/acceleration off of cuts, and is still not 100% and probably will never be (because he'll never be the same as he once was).

That is the reason he is not getting carries out of the backfield. It's not due to Seattle having a lot of great options in front of him.


I'm rooting for Leon, he was a good player and teammate, and seems like a good guy. However, he isn't the same. He really wouldn't have much purpose on the Jets.

[nyjunc]

justin forsett and julius jones is about as weak a duo as there is in the league

we are getting washingtons value to this team from LdT and brad smith. he might have had a role if he was here but we are getting that production anyway

so we got a 5th for someone who we are not missing, yet you still complain

Forsett is averaging almost 5 yards per carry(he averaged over 5 a year ago)
Jones is struggling but he's not a bad RB.

[nyjunc]

Leon can't cut, has lost a lot of his high-end agility and quickness/acceleration off of cuts, and is still not 100% and probably will never be (because he'll never be the same as he once was).

That is the reason he is not getting carries out of the backfield. It's not due to Seattle having a lot of great options in front of him.


I'm rooting for Leon, he was a good player and teammate, and seems like a good guy. However, he isn't the same. He really wouldn't have much purpose on the Jets.

and yet he's still more useful than McKnight is now or maybe ever will be.

I got it why they traded him, I get that he may never be the same but he's had a miraculous recovery so far and he doesn't have alot of touces in his legs so he'll be a factor for a few years to come as he slowly gets back to normal(or as close as possible).

Who cares now? he's gone, I diagreed w/ the move then, I disagree now but again our GM doesn't make many bad moves so I cannot be too upset.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

Forsett is averaging almost 5 yards per carry(he averaged over 5 a year ago)
Jones is struggling but he's not a bad RB.

name 5 worse duo's in the league, and im not talking backfields affected by injury

forsett is solid, but he got most of his numbers last year in blowout losses

julius jones has never been more than an avg back, and he hasnt been that for a few years now

the point is that leon should be able to crack this backfield as a runner, and should at least be the 3rd down back ... dude hasnt even caught a pass

[SuppaMan]

and yet he's still more useful than McKnight is now or maybe ever will be.

I got it why they traded him, I get that he may never be the same but he's had a miraculous recovery so far and he doesn't have alot of touces in his legs so he'll be a factor for a few years to come as he slowly gets back to normal(or as close as possible).

Who cares now? he's gone, I diagreed w/ the move then, I disagree now but again our GM doesn't make many bad moves so I cannot be too upset.

He's got a rod in his leg. A few years down the road won't change that. His style of running is changing because it has to, but because of his size, he can't easily change his style and be successful. Pierre Thomas had a crazy injury in college that forced him to change how he runs a bit and he was able to be successful out of the backfield still because he's a big guy.

If you are small in the NFL, you have to be quick and have excellent agility among other great attributes, his agility is no longer high-end nor will ever be high end again.

He'll do fine when he can run fairly straight, but if he has to make quick and hard cuts, he won't. He's not incredibly elusive anymore. It sucks but it's just the truth.

If McKnight fixes the fumbling (people like to single him out, how many high-end backs have you seen have fumbling issues in the past decade?..quite a few) he'll have every shot to be something. His only other issue is working on running with anger/power between the tackles. It took Reggie Bush a few years and he was always celebrated by the media and people. The fact that McKnight is the same style of back and runner and wasn't the 2nd overall pick has much better value. The guy's only 22 and came out of college early. It's amazing how quickly some people right guys off.

[nyjunc]

name 5 worse duo's in the league, and im not talking backfields affected by injury

forsett is solid, but he got most of his numbers last year in blowout losses

julius jones has never been more than an avg back, and he hasnt been that for a few years now

the point is that leon should be able to crack this backfield as a runner, and should at least be the 3rd down back ... dude hasnt even caught a pass

What about his #s this year? I think Leon will gradually become a bigger part of the offense but maybe I'm wrong, I really liked Leon and I hated losing him. I like it when we have good players who are also good people and he was one of those.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

What about his #s this year?

i said forsett was solid, but its not like hes gettin 20 carries a game, he needs help

I think Leon will gradually become a bigger part of the offense but maybe I'm wrong, I really liked Leon and I hated losing him. I like it when we have good players who are also good people and he was one of those.

i feel you, leon was my favorite player on the jets since his rookie year

i think youre just caught up on what we traded leon for, but his value was what it was

i could understand you beefing about the mcknight pick if there was someone else you wanted drafted in that spot as the future third down back, but mcknight was the BPA in that role ... and i dont think anyone drafted after him is doing anything in that role either

[nyjunc]

i said forsett was solid, but its not like hes gettin 20 carries a game, he needs help



i feel you, leon was my favorite player on the jets since his rookie year

i think youre just caught up on what we traded leon for, but his value was what it was

i could understand you beefing about the mcknight pick if there was someone else you wanted drafted in that spot as the future third down back, but mcknight was the BPA in that role ... and i dont think anyone drafted after him is doing anything in that role either

I didn't have any problem w/ the Mcknight pick, I've had a problem w/ him since we picked him. I can give him a pass on the throwing up at minicamp but you can't come to TC and fail a conditioning test after that and showed no flashes as a RB in preseason and his attitude looked awful on HK(I know they edit but...).

[ukilledkenny]

If the Jets were on hard knocks leon's rookie year he would have played the role of Joe McKnight.

[624]

If the Jets were on hard knocks leon's rookie year he would have played the role of Joe McKnight.

Yep, except McKnight is more talented.

[The Foot Fetish]

Yep, except McKnight is more talented.

Stupidest comment I've seen all day

[ukilledkenny]

Stupidest comment I've seen all day

He does have more physical talent than Leon. I don't even think that Junc would argue that. He is far away from being the player that Leon is but he has more physical talent every day of the week.

[The Foot Fetish]

He does have more physical talent than Leon. I don't even think that Junc would argue that. He is far away from being the player that Leon is but he has more physical talent every day of the week.

that all remains to be seen... Leon made the team as a rook... and played and made a contribution... McKnight will be lucky to play a down as Jet... he's a vagine...

[nyjunc]

If the Jets were on hard knocks leon's rookie year he would have played the role of Joe McKnight.

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

[624]

Stupidest comment I've seen all day

How is it "the stupidest comment all day" saying that Joe McKnight was more talented than Leon Washington coming out of college?

[ukilledkenny]

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

Training camp struggles in their rookie season would be the common thread between them. Who knows they might have even edited their hours of footage down to 30 seconds of Leon looking like an ass.

[IATA]

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

They're both black.

[Jets n Boys]

Man, junc's arguments are becoming so fuckn' stupid that it's predictable.

Fixed it for ya...:offtopic:

[ukilledkenny]

that all remains to be seen... Leon made the team as a rook... and played and made a contribution... McKnight will be lucky to play a down as Jet... he's a vagine...

Leon did contribute... after struggling in training camp and being non existent to start the season.

[624]

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

Joe McKnight is 5'11 That is not short for a running back.


(He is also 200 pounds)

[ToonWalker]

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

They're both black and quick...not short and quick.
McKnight's 5'11"-6 ft.

[nyjunc]

Leon did contribute... after struggling in training camp and being non existent to start the season.

Leon showed us flashes, McKnight showed us nothing.

Leon also made an impact beginning in week 3, it's coming on week 4 and Mcknight isn't close to even being activated.

[624]

Leon showed us flashes, McKnight showed us nothing.

Leon also made an impact beginning in week 3, it's coming on week 4 and Mcknight isn't close to even being activated.

Is a 67 yard punt return not a flash?

[ukilledkenny]

Leon showed us flashes, McKnight showed us nothing.

Leon also made an impact beginning in week 3, it's coming on week 4 and Mcknight isn't close to even being activated.

Rookie Leon might have struggled a bit more to get some playing time with our current running back core. Maybe we should dig a little deeper...

[nyjunc]

Is a 67 yard punt return not a flash?

Not on offense but it was aflash- his only moment and he followed that up w/ a fumble.

[624]

Not on offense but it was aflash- his only moment and he followed that up w/ a fumble.

It does help that Leon was a 24 year old rookie, while Joe McKnight is a 22 year old rookie.


Let this project develop before you label him.

[nyjunc]

Rookie Leon might have struggled a bit more to get some playing time with our current running back core. Maybe we should dig a little deeper...

If McKnight showed us anything he'd be active and getting a few touches by now. Rookie leon would be getting tocuhes by now, put McKnight on our '06 team and he'd still be inactive.

[nyjunc]

It does help that Leon was a 24 year old rookie, while Joe McKnight is a 22 year old rookie.


Let this project develop before you label him.

22 is normal age to be out of college, it's not like he's 20. Leon only had 22 more carries in college and McKnight played for a much better program.

I'm not labeling him a bust yet, I'm just disturbed by his lack of progress all summer which included failing a simple conditioning test.

[624]

22 is normal age to be out of college, it's not like he's 20. Leon only had 22 more carries in college and McKnight played for a much better program.

I'm not labeling him a bust yet, I'm just disturbed by his lack of progress all summer which included failing a simple conditioning test.

I'm guessing you are not part of the NY Jets coaching staff.

This means that your only evidence in McKnight's "lack of progress" is a couple of off season articles and an edited TV show?

[ukilledkenny]

If McKnight showed us anything he'd be active and getting a few touches by now. Rookie leon would be getting tocuhes by now, put McKnight on our '06 team and he'd still be inactive.

I don't think it's that black and white. I don't really feel like discussing how they would have done if we swapped them so i'm gonna move on. The point is that 3 games into a rookie season is too early to declare anything about anyone. Right now Leon would be the better option but he wouldn't have a spot on this offense. LT does everything Leon can do plus a bunch more. He wouldn't be getting third down reps and he certainly wouldn't be getting the ball in-between the tackles. McKnight was a move for the future and as long as he develops by the time the Jets need him everything is fine.

[Kentucky Jet]

I've seen enough. Please end the inevitable already and send him packing to like 5 different teams over the next 4 years before he's selling car insurance.
Washington and Woodhead play like Jets. McNight plays like a bafoon.

why not allow the guy to gain experience. I truly believe that REX and Mr.T might know a bit more about McKnight then you. They made the decision to keep Joe and let Chauncey and Danny go. Do you feel that you know more about personnel issues then they do?

[Kentucky Jet]

Something tells me that wouldn't have been the case, leon wouldn't have acted the way McKnight did, he didn 't fail his conditioning test and he actually showed flashes in preseason. Other than being short and quick the two have nothing in common.

Leon also fumbled quite a bit and looked like a sure cut. The Jets gave him time to develop and he did. McKnight will too. he is superbly talented and immature. Guess what? he will mature and be a good player. Then will all his haters retract thier wild-eyed claims?

[Mr Electric]

Anybody else notice McKnight sort of following Sanchez around on the sidelines?

[Kentucky Jet]

I draw my conclusions by watching with my own eyes. I agree he's more talented than Woodhead and Washington but talent and production are not the same thing.

Personally, I hate the way McKnight runs, and I wouldn't trust him with the football until he changes it. As it is, Rex agrees.

There's no such thing as overlooking talent in the NFL. Players don't make it to the NFL without talent. Even the scrapper types who make it as UDFAs have some talent. No one dons an NFL jersey without talent. Some have it more than others, but it doesn't mean they will be successful.

My McKnight forecast: out of the league in 4 years unless he seriously changes his running style and approach to the game.

but you aren't the HC or GM. Rex and Mr.T are the guys who know a bit more about talent then all of us put together! It was their decision and theyBOTH came down on the side of McKnight.

[624]

Anybody else notice McKnight sort of following Sanchez around on the sidelines?

If had Leon instead, Mark would be giving him piggy-back rides on the sideline.

[JetBlue]

If McKnight showed us anything he'd be active and getting a few touches by now. Rookie leon would be getting tocuhes by now, put McKnight on our '06 team and he'd still be inactive.

did rookie Leon get touches the first three games of his rookie season?

[Steve032]

EDIT: NVM found it

[624]

I didn't see the inactive list for last week's game, but was Joe active? Sorry for being lazy and not reading the thread.

He was inactive.

[Cakes]

If McKnight showed us anything he'd be active and getting a few touches by now. Rookie leon would be getting tocuhes by now, put McKnight on our '06 team and he'd still be inactive.

With the way passing games are these days, I don't know that I'd want to dress five running backs. I'd rather dress an extra defensive back in lieu of a 5th RB.
I think the Jets took their chances that both Greene and Tomlinson would not get sidelined in the same game. If they both did get hurt, then the Jets would have to give Richardson or Connor some carries. Could one of them do okay getting some carries in a pinch? I believe so.

[rex-N-effects]

did rookie Leon get touches the first three games of his rookie season?

leon didn't get anything until we lost 2 RBs if i remember. I believe kevin barlow and derrick blaylock went down and then cedric houston stepped us as the 1 and Washington was the 2

[Cakes]

did rookie Leon get touches the first three games of his rookie season?

He had 8 rushes for 25 yards and 2 receptions for 52 yards over his first three games. It was in his 5th game where he ran for over 100 yards. That came in that 0-41 game in Jacksonville. That was rare, very rare. There have only been a couple other times where a team had a 100-yard runner and scored 0 points.

[Cakes]

leon didn't get anything until we lost 2 RBs if i remember. I believe kevin barlow and derrick blaylock went down and then cedric houston stepped us as the 1 and Washington was the 2

Houston didn't really do anything until December. I actually started him in a fantasy football playoff game on my way to a title.

[Green Lantern]

why not allow the guy to gain experience. I truly believe that REX and Mr.T might know a bit more about McKnight then you. They made the decision to keep Joe and let Chauncey and Danny go. Do you feel that you know more about personnel issues then they do?

I hope you're right. Sometimes even the brightest minds need to change the light-bulb from time to time. In the spirit of our "win now" campaign though - I would have felt more confident in Woodhead or Washington stepping up in the event of an emergency.
In a worst case scenario, we will now have to explore trades and look at free agents.

Playing the safe hand that he doesn't need to play this season - I have no choice but to wish him the best as a long-term development project with potential, considering there is no one behind him on the depth chart.

But all of this is moot. Assuming the "win now" campaign is a healthy success.

[NDmick]

Just thought of this, could help someone.

Here's what the Jets might be thinking, and it makes sense:

There are dozens of Woodheads, Washingtons, etc.

McKnight is the only one who has the skill set to actually grow into a dynamic player. That's why you keep him.

See how I did that?

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

If McKnight showed us anything he'd be active and getting a few touches by now. Rookie leon would be getting tocuhes by now, put McKnight on our '06 team and he'd still be inactive.

rookie leon would be getting touches on THIS team? youre out of your fucking mind! there are no touches to be had in the backfield on this team ... leon would be inactive, just like mcknight is

[ConcordeChops]

Rookie Leon would have turned water into wine by now. Fucking McKnight.

[nyjunc]

I'm guessing you are not part of the NY Jets coaching staff.

This means that your only evidence in McKnight's "lack of progress" is a couple of off season articles and an edited TV show?

But you are, right? you know all he has shown? This is what we know about McKnight:

-threw up at rookie mini camp
-failed conditioning test to begin TC
-showed nothing as a RB in preseason
-looked completely disinterested in Hard knocks.

I get that HK is edited but he shouldn't have that surly attitude while being given instructions when he has done nothing in this league.

I don't think it's that black and white. I don't really feel like discussing how they would have done if we swapped them so i'm gonna move on. The point is that 3 games into a rookie season is too early to declare anything about anyone. Right now Leon would be the better option but he wouldn't have a spot on this offense. LT does everything Leon can do plus a bunch more. He wouldn't be getting third down reps and he certainly wouldn't be getting the ball in-between the tackles. McKnight was a move for the future and as long as he develops by the time the Jets need him everything is fine.

McKnight was a move for NOW, he was supposed to replace Leon immediately. Of course it's too early to throw him away, he has chances to fulfill his promise but all that we have seen out of him has been disturbing. It amazes me how once we let someone go we trash him and we can defend anyone on our team no matter how little they have done. if mcKnight was a Patriot you guys would be trashing him saying how he has no shot but he's a Jet and he is bound for greatness.

Leon also fumbled quite a bit and looked like a sure cut. The Jets gave him time to develop and he did. McKnight will too. he is superbly talented and immature. Guess what? he will mature and be a good player. Then will all his haters retract thier wild-eyed claims?

At no point did leon look like a sure cut, we were getting positive reviews from leon all throughout camp. Sure he had typical struggles at times adjusting to this level but he was showing he belonged- McKnight has not shown that YET.

did rookie Leon get touches the first three games of his rookie season?

Yes.

3 PR- 3 more than Joe
1 KR- 1 more than Joe
8 carries- 8 more than Joe
2 recs - 2 more than Joe

With the way passing games are these days, I don't know that I'd want to dress five running backs. I'd rather dress an extra defensive back in lieu of a 5th RB.
I think the Jets took their chances that both Greene and Tomlinson would not get sidelined in the same game. If they both did get hurt, then the Jets would have to give Richardson or Connor some carries. Could one of them do okay getting some carries in a pinch? I believe so.

We know Tony can run w/ the football although he's had very limited carries as a Jet, Connor hasn't had that chance yet but hopefully he could too in a pinch. We'd be in big trouble if Greene or LT got hurt though.

leon didn't get anything until we lost 2 RBs if i remember. I believe kevin barlow and derrick blaylock went down and then cedric houston stepped us as the 1 and Washington was the 2

Barlow did not msis time until late in the year.

Just thought of this, could help someone.

Here's what the Jets might be thinking, and it makes sense:

There are dozens of Woodheads, Washingtons, etc.

McKnight is the only one who has the skill set to actually grow into a dynamic player. That's why you keep him.

See how I did that?

Losing Woodhead doesn't bother me, yeah he scored a TD on a nice run but he showed us very little when we elevated him into leon's role last year after leon was hurt. Washington showed me something, I'm more disappointed in losing him.

If we didn't trade Leon and use a 4th rd pick on McKnight he'd be on the PS or cut.

rookie leon would be getting touches on THIS team? youre out of your fucking mind! there are no touches to be had in the backfield on this team ... leon would be inactive, just like mcknight is

yeah, he was only a key contributor helping us win 10 games and make the playoffs as a rookie but he wouldn't have had any chance to contribute for us now.:rolleyes:

[WhiteShoeWillis]

Junc - how could you possibly know that McKnight was drafted to replace Leon now? Did Tanny shoot you a message on facebook to let you know? As for those minimal carries Leon got in his first 3 games, that was on a team with much less talent ahead of him.

[nyjunc]

Junc - how could you possibly know that McKnight was drafted to replace Leon now? Did Tanny shoot you a message on facebook to let you know? As for those minimal carries Leon got in his first 3 games, that was on a team with much less talent ahead of him.

Are we really going to play dumb? We know he was drafted to take leon's role. Let's not be silly here. if we are going to use that logic then none of us know anything and shouldn't comment on anything since we are not in meetings w/ rex and tannenbaum.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

Are we really going to play dumb? We know he was drafted to take leon's role. Let's not be silly here. if we are going to use that logic then none of us know anything and shouldn't comment on anything since we are not in meetings w/ rex and tannenbaum.

The problem is that you state your opinion as fact. Even in this post you suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise is just playing dumb and "we know" why he was drafted.

Many think he was drafted as a "red shirt" guy to fill in for a similar type role in the future. You think he was drafted to replace Leon immediately. That fine, but when you try to state your opinion as fact it comes off bad.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

yeah, he was only a key contributor helping us win 10 games and make the playoffs as a rookie but he wouldn't have had any chance to contribute for us now.:rolleyes:

the schedule that year was about as easy as weve ever had, thats why we won 10 games

this team is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then the '06 jets, offensively and defensively ... its not even close

and the conditioning test is the dumbest argument ever, considering that he passed it the next day. do you really think he was out of shape one day and in shape the next? ... rex already spoke about it and said he burned himself out because he was working so hard getting ready for camp, but you conveniently choose to forget that part of the story

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

Are we really going to play dumb? We know he was drafted to take leon's role. Let's not be silly here. if we are going to use that logic then none of us know anything and shouldn't comment on anything since we are not in meetings w/ rex and tannenbaum.

we signed LdT to replace leon's role in the offense and you know it ... we drafted mcknight because LdT is old and we need an insurance policy for him now and the future

[evojoe67]

No matter what the facts are we don't have LW anymore and we are thin at RB to the point that it's downright scary.
It kills me that we wasted a damn roster spot on Clowney when we should have kept CW on the active roster and had him also contribute on ST, which is just another thing Clowney doesn't do well.
This situation at RB could really come to bite us in the ass later in the season.

[nyjunc]

The problem is that you state your opinion as fact. Even in this post you suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise is just playing dumb and "we know" why he was drafted.

Many think he was drafted as a "red shirt" guy to fill in for a similar type role in the future. You think he was drafted to replace Leon immediately. That fine, but when you try to state your opinion as fact it comes off bad.

We all state our opinions the same way.

We all know he was drafted to take his role immediately, you guys are now offering the excuse that he is a project and that wasn't the case when we selected him.

the schedule that year was about as easy as weve ever had, thats why we won 10 games

this team is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then the '06 jets, offensively and defensively ... its not even close

and the conditioning test is the dumbest argument ever, considering that he passed it the next day. do you really think he was out of shape one day and in shape the next? ... rex already spoke about it and said he burned himself out because he was working so hard getting ready for camp, but you conveniently choose to forget that part of the story

Ooohhh it was the schedule, we had as easy of a sched in 2008 w/ a future HOFer- how come we didn't make the playoffs? You still have to win games and he helped us win 10 and get to postseason.

The team is alot better than the '06 Jets but we have no RB depth. A year ago we had Jones, leon and Greene and now all we have are Greene and LT.

The conditioning test is a dumb argument? seriously? The man was throwing up at rookie mini camp, you'd think he'd be busting his behind to make up for that and make a good impression in his first TC. It's a horrible sign that a player would failt that test after what he went through in the summer.

He burned himself out working too hard:lol::lol: We all love Rex, he says alot of things it doesn't mean it's true b/c he says it. He's a players coach, he is always talking up his players. he told us last TC how great Gholston looked, how did that work out?

[WhiteShoeWillis]

We all state our opinions the same way.

We all know he was drafted to take his role immediately, you guys are now offering the excuse that he is a project and that wasn't the case when we selected him.


Why is LT here if McKnight was supposedly replacing Leon's role immediately? Exactly what role was McKnight supposed to fill immediately?

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

No matter what the facts are we don't have LW anymore and we are thin at RB to the point that it's downright scary.
It kills me that we wasted a damn roster spot on Clowney when we should have kept CW on the active roster and had him also contribute on ST, which is just another thing Clowney doesn't do well.
This situation at RB could really come to bite us in the ass later in the season.

we have one of the best RB duos in the league but were thin at RB? cmon son ... there are very few teams with three quality RBs. in fact, i can only think of one

we did not waste a roster spot on clowney. he has done his job on special teams and contributed to the offense last game. he did a great job getting out of bounds and setting us up for a 55 yarder before the half ... washington wouldnt have even been active

[nyjunc]

Why is LT here if McKnight was supposedly replacing Leon's role immediately? Exactly what role was McKnight supposed to fill immediately?

LT is NOT taking just Leon's role, he's also here to take up the role that Jones would have had if he returned and Greene was elevating to Jones' previous role.

[nyjunc]

we have one of the best RB duos in the league but were thin at RB? cmon son ... there are very few teams with three quality RBs. in fact, i can only think of one

we did not waste a roster spot on clowney. he has done his job on special teams and contributed to the offense last game. he did a great job getting out of bounds and setting us up for a 55 yarder before the half ... washington wouldnt have even been active

We have an old RB and we have a young one that gets hurt every time you turn around. We have no depth, IF these two stay healthy then we are fine but that will also take a toll on the guys down the stretch so unlike a year ago where we had a frsh Greene run all over competition in postseason we'll have 2 guys more worn down.

[Hemi]

If McKnight hadn't had a shaky time holding onto the ball, he would probably be on the active roster right now. Once he shows the staff he can do that consistently in practice, they will activate him. Right now? They simply don't need him. Smith is doing fine returning kicks (and everything else under the sun for that matter). LT is doing fine catching passes and being the third down back.

So tell me again why he is needed right now? Let him sit and learn, and when the time comes, he will be ready.

[Hemi]

And if you truly believe in this oline, they can plug and play another back in there if needed. There must be at least one back available in FA that can take a few carries.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

LT is NOT taking just Leon's role, he's also here to take up the role that Jones would have had if he returned and Greene was elevating to Jones' previous role.

Please tell me what Leon's role was going to be in this offense.

[evojoe67]

We have an old RB and we have a young one that gets hurt every time you turn around. We have no depth, IF these two stay healthy then we are fine but that will also take a toll on the guys down the stretch so unlike a year ago where we had a frsh Greene run all over competition in postseason we'll have 2 guys more worn down.

Thank you.:beer:

[nyjunc]

Please tell me what Leon's role was going to be in this offense.

Our primary KR
He'd get about 5-7 touhche a game on O, that doesn't sound like alot BUT that's 80-112 touches a year to be taken away from our old RB and our young, injury prone RB.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

We all state our opinions the same way.

We all know he was drafted to take his role immediately, you guys are now offering the excuse that he is a project and that wasn't the case when we selected him.



Ooohhh it was the schedule, we had as easy of a sched in 2008 w/ a future HOFer- how come we didn't make the playoffs? You still have to win games and he helped us win 10 and get to postseason.

The team is alot better than the '06 Jets but we have no RB depth. A year ago we had Jones, leon and Greene and now all we have are Greene and LT.

The conditioning test is a dumb argument? seriously? The man was throwing up at rookie mini camp, you'd think he'd be busting his behind to make up for that and make a good impression in his first TC. It's a horrible sign that a player would failt that test after what he went through in the summer.

He burned himself out working too hard:lol::lol: We all love Rex, he says alot of things it doesn't mean it's true b/c he says it. He's a players coach, he is always talking up his players. he told us last TC how great Gholston looked, how did that work out?

if he was drafted to take leons role immediately then why did we sign LdT? please explain

you know exactly why we didnt make the playoffs with favre, he needed surgery on his throwing shoulder

we actually have enviable RB depth. teams like the vikings and titans have weak RB depth

a year ago we had jones, leon and greene because we needed to be a heavy running team. sanchez has matured some and has more receiving weapons so we dont need to rely on the backs as much

laugh all you want but mcknight passed the test the next day ... i guess he magically got into shape in 24 hours

[WhiteShoeWillis]

Our primary KR
He'd get about 5-7 touhche a game on O, that doesn't sound like alot BUT that's 80-112 touches a year to be taken away from our old RB and our young, injury prone RB.

Just pretend like McKnights leg is snapped in half for now. We're carrying 2 FB's and have a lot of talent at RB. It would be very difficult for any 4th round RB to make the active roster, including Leon as a rookie.

Brad Smith is doing just fine as a KR.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

We have an old RB and we have a young one that gets hurt every time you turn around. We have no depth, IF these two stay healthy then we are fine but that will also take a toll on the guys down the stretch so unlike a year ago where we had a frsh Greene run all over competition in postseason we'll have 2 guys more worn down.

RBs get dinged up, it doesnt mean he's hurt ... he will be playing sunday

were not going to run nearly as much as we did last year ... LdT is not going to break down getting 15 carries a game

[Hemi]

When Holmes comes back for week 5, I think you will see even more passing. I agree with the sentiment that the backs will not see the amount of carries they saw last year.

[nyjunc]

if he was drafted to take leons role immediately then why did we sign LdT? please explain

you know exactly why we didnt make the playoffs with favre, he needed surgery on his throwing shoulder

we actually have enviable RB depth. teams like the vikings and titans have weak RB depth

a year ago we had jones, leon and greene because we needed to be a heavy running team. sanchez has matured some and has more receiving weapons so we dont need to rely on the backs as much

laugh all you want but mcknight passed the test the next day ... i guess he magically got into shape in 24 hours

LT had nothing to do w/ Leon.

We could have made the playoffs w/ Clemens at QB /w that weak 2008 sched. We didn't make it b/c Favre sucked most of the year. His arm was not the reason, throwing it up for grabs(like he was doing in Minny the first couple of weeks) is why we lost.

We have enviable depth? Come on.

I guess he wasn't burned out from all the hard work on the 2nd day?

Just pretend like McKnights leg is snapped in half for now. We're carrying 2 FB's and have a lot of talent at RB. It would be very difficult for any 4th round RB to make the active roster, including Leon as a rookie.

Brad Smith is doing just fine as a KR.

The problem is he didn't get hurt, he has just shown us nothing. Shonn Greene as a 3rd rd pick didn't have problems making it last year when we had similar RB depth- I guess that extra round really does it?

[nyjunc]

When Holmes comes back for week 5, I think you will see even more passing. I agree with the sentiment that the backs will not see the amount of carries they saw last year.

Of course we aren't running as much but we are still going to run alot and we need to run. We need a balanced attack. If we lose Greene or LT for a prolonged period of time we are in trouble.

[Hemi]

Of course we aren't running as much but we are still going to run alot and we need to run. We need a balanced attack. If we lose Greene or LT for a prolonged period of time we are in trouble.

Honestly, that is the same as saying if the Vikings lose Adrian Peterson, their running game is in trouble. Or the Titans lose Johnson, or MJD goes down...etc...

[WhiteShoeWillis]

The problem is he didn't get hurt, he has just shown us nothing. Shonn Greene as a 3rd rd pick didn't have problems making it last year when we had similar RB depth- I guess that extra round really does it?

Like I said, it's going to be very difficult for him to see the active roster this season based on the fact that we're carrying 2 FB's and have a ton of talent at RB. I doubt Leon as a rookie would have seen the field at this point in the season for THIS team.

Greene didn't do much at the beginning of last season either. It took an injury to Leon before he really saw the field. And that was without carrying 2 FB's.

We get it junc, you're sad because Leon is gone.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

LT had nothing to do w/ Leon.

We could have made the playoffs w/ Clemens at QB /w that weak 2008 sched. We didn't make it b/c Favre sucked most of the year. His arm was not the reason, throwing it up for grabs(like he was doing in Minny the first couple of weeks) is why we lost.

We have enviable depth? Come on.

I guess he wasn't burned out from all the hard work on the 2nd day?



The problem is he didn't get hurt, he has just shown us nothing. Shonn Greene as a 3rd rd pick didn't have problems making it last year when we had similar RB depth- I guess that extra round really does it?

you are clueless ... im done

[Hemi]

And what exactly is Leon doing in Seattle? He is barely getting on the field on offense, and that is behind such stalwarts (sarcasm) as Justin Forsett and Julius Jones (who is not as good as his brother Thomas). So far....11 carries for 29 yards...2.6ypc.

He has made his impact on the returns last week for sure, but has done little to nothing running.

[TommyGreen]

Junc must have some sad pathetic life if all he does is argue with posters on TGG.com and Finheaven.

[nyjunc]

you are clueless ... im done

Comin from someone who has posted what you have in this thread I take that as a great compliment- thank you!

Junc must have some sad pathetic life if all he does is argue with posters on TGG.com and Finheaven.

I do, I only wish I had your life. I wish I knew nothing and just attacked posters- that would be fun!

[TommyGreen]

Comin from someone who has posted what you have in this thread I take that as a great compliment- thank you!



I do, I only wish I had your life. I wish I knew nothing and just attacked posters- that would be fun!

You have the absolute WORST theories on this board.

Go ahead and get your next 6 posts. We'll all throw a party for you once you reach 30,000. Congratulations.

[........]

if he was drafted to take leons role immediately then why did we sign LdT? please explain

you know exactly why we didnt make the playoffs with favre, he needed surgery on his throwing shoulder

we actually have enviable RB depth. teams like the vikings and titans have weak RB depth

a year ago we had jones, leon and greene because we needed to be a heavy running team. sanchez has matured some and has more receiving weapons so we dont need to rely on the backs as much

laugh all you want but mcknight passed the test the next day ... i guess he magically got into shape in 24 hours

He also passed the test with flying colors PRIOR to his failure. He ran it two weeks prior and passed it easily. That day really was an aberration.

[........]

Our primary KR
He'd get about 5-7 touhche a game on O, that doesn't sound like alot BUT that's 80-112 touches a year to be taken away from our old RB and our young, injury prone RB.

I'm not sure Leon would be trusted with touches right now in our offense either. If he's only able to muster 2.5 YPC, chances are Schotty would still be waiting for his leg to look better before implementing him in the offense. Why don't we wait and see when Leon is actually able to contribute on offense and when McKnight is trusted enough to hit the active roster before we assume that we've lost all of the production Leon would bring? The way he's running, you're suggesting we seriously miss the 200 - 250 yards Leon would bring this season...and the extra downs that his failure to move the ball would necessitate for our other backs.

[Italian Seafood]

I think at this point we can stop comparing McKnight to Leon in any way, shape or form at least until McKnight sets foot on a field. Leon has done more already since breaking his leg than McKnight may ever do. I hope I'm wrong, he's a Jet, but this move isn't looking any better now than it did on draft day, worse actually. You can base your argument on what you hope happens or on what has happened and is currently happening. I choose the latter. People can bitch about Leon's YPC or whatever, it doesn't matter. He won the game for his team the way he used to win games for us. Wins are the stat that matters, not YPC inside the tackles or whatever.

[........]

I think at this point we can stop comparing McKnight to Leon in any way, shape or form at least until McKnight sets foot on a field. Leon has done more already since breaking his leg than McKnight may ever do. I hope I'm wrong, he's a Jet, but this move isn't looking any better now than it did on draft day, worse actually. You can base your argument on what you hope happens or on what has happened and is currently happening. I choose the latter. People can bitch about Leon's YPC or whatever, it doesn't matter. He won the game for his team the way he used to win games for us. Wins are the stat that matters, not YPC inside the tackles or whatever.

The problem is, there's no reason to use Leon's KOR abilities to compare him to McKnight in the first place. McKnight was never going to be our KOR. That's Brad Smith's role, and he's not a huge step down from Leon. All we have are the run stats, and I absolutely believe McKnight right now could replace the 2.5 YPC that Leon is getting on the field. Like you said, though, there's no real basis for comparison until he sets foot on the field. It just seems foolish to use the former in order to suggest that we made a mistake in letting Leon go. It was the right move.

[nyjunc]

I'm not sure Leon would be trusted with touches right now in our offense either. If he's only able to muster 2.5 YPC, chances are Schotty would still be waiting for his leg to look better before implementing him in the offense. Why don't we wait and see when Leon is actually able to contribute on offense and when McKnight is trusted enough to hit the active roster before we assume that we've lost all of the production Leon would bring? The way he's running, you're suggesting we seriously miss the 200 - 250 yards Leon would bring this season...and the extra downs that his failure to move the ball would necessitate for our other backs.

Maybe not this moment as they would be woprking him back into the O slowly like Seattle but soon. We'll see Leon's touches go up in the coming weeks and months.

You have the absolute WORST theories on this board.

Go ahead and get your next 6 posts. We'll all throw a party for you once you reach 30,000. Congratulations.

Instead of attacking you really should pay attention so that in future debates you might sound intelligent.

[nyjunc]

The problem is, there's no reason to use Leon's KOR abilities to compare him to McKnight in the first place. McKnight was never going to be our KOR. That's Brad Smith's role, and he's not a huge step down from Leon. All we have are the run stats, and I absolutely believe McKnight right now could replace the 2.5 YPC that Leon is getting on the field. Like you said, though, there's no real basis for comparison until he sets foot on the field. It just seems foolish to use the former in order to suggest that we made a mistake in letting Leon go. It was the right move.

McKnight barely averaged 2.5 YPC in preseason, you think he'd do it in the reg season?

He also passed the test with flying colors PRIOR to his failure. He ran it two weeks prior and passed it easily. That day really was an aberration.

No matter what excuses are given for him it's a bad sign that he failed on the 1st day of TC. if he cannot handle the pressure of TC how can we expect him to handle the presssure of games? It was inexcusbale for a skill position player fighting to change his perceptiopn after throwing up at rookie camp to fail his test at TC.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

The argument is moot because Ryan isn't going to let McKnight on the field this year unless he is forced to by injury or performance circumstances. Ryan's not even letting Greene get many touches because of his propensity to fumble in key situations. He's definitely not going to let a raw rookie who had multiple performance issues in camp on the field.

If Ryan could go back in time and keep Thomas Jones I think it's pretty clear he'd do that.

[........]

McKnight barely averaged 2.5 YPC in preseason, you think he'd do it in the reg season?

Behind our first team line? I absolutely do.

No matter what excuses are given for him it's a bad sign that he failed on the 1st day of TC. if he cannot handle the pressure of TC how can we expect him to handle the presssure of games? It was inexcusbale for a skill position player fighting to change his perceptiopn after throwing up at rookie camp to fail his test at TC.

It was a mistake, obviously. No one is excusing that he failed, we're explaining that he wasn't out of shape. He was tired from overtraining, trying TOO hard to shift that perception. His entire brief tenure as a Jet, he's been bouncing around between extremes. They're working to find that middle. The differences in training regimes for a rookie is one reason why it's tough to judge them before the team really gets its hands on them.

The argument is moot because Ryan isn't going to let McKnight on the field this year unless he is forced to by injury or performance circumstances. Ryan's not even letting Greene get many touches because of his propensity to fumble in key situations. He's definitely not going to let a raw rookie who had multiple performance issues in camp on the field.

If Ryan could go back in time and keep Thomas Jones I think it's pretty clear he'd do that.

That's a much more compelling argument IMO than the Leon one. If we were going to keep someone just to limit carries for LT and Greene, Jones would have been the MUCH better choice. Damien Woody on his regular Tuesday night appearance on Late Hits last night said that the team wants to get back to its ground and pound mentality. If that's true, a 3rd back would certainly help. Of course, through 3 games, we only have 82 rush attempts. That puts us on pace for 437 on the season, or 170 fewer than all of last season. Granted, that doesn't account for increased PC out of the backfield, but that still more than accounts for the "lost touches" Leon would have given in junc's world.

If we want to return to or approximate the number of carries we had last year, TJ would have been a better choice for this offense. The way the offense is operating right now, though, we don't need either one.

[Hemi]

I think at this point we can stop comparing McKnight to Leon in any way, shape or form at least until McKnight sets foot on a field. Leon has done more already since breaking his leg than McKnight may ever do. I hope I'm wrong, he's a Jet, but this move isn't looking any better now than it did on draft day, worse actually. You can base your argument on what you hope happens or on what has happened and is currently happening. I choose the latter. People can bitch about Leon's YPC or whatever, it doesn't matter. He won the game for his team the way he used to win games for us. Wins are the stat that matters, not YPC inside the tackles or whatever.

I brought up Leon's carries because Junc expects McKnight to replace Leon in terms of carries on the field as well as returns. The return game for the Jets has been fine, no TDs yet, but Brad Smith has been more than capable on KRs, Leon was never outstanding on Punt Returns for whatever reason.

[MadBacker Prime]

In Leon's defense the Seahawks aren't exactly tearing it up on the ground. Like we said when LT arrived he we thrive behind our line.

In 3 games Leon has only gotten 11 touches, but that could be because he hasn't shown the coaching staff that he deserves more. Leon earned more touches here by his great ST play so I'm curious to see how they handle him going forward.


As our team is presently constructed I do not see a role for Leon, keeping Brad Smith in on as many plays as possible is a good thing. Leon was the LT of our team, now LT is the LT of our team and so far I'm extremely pleased with the move.

If we needed McKnight right now for anything I'd be pissed but we don't so let him learn from one of the best and hope it sinks in.

[rex-N-effects]

Behind our first team line? I absolutely do.



It was a mistake, obviously. No one is excusing that he failed, we're explaining that he wasn't out of shape. He was tired from overtraining, trying TOO hard to shift that perception. His entire brief tenure as a Jet, he's been bouncing around between extremes. They're working to find that middle. The differences in training regimes for a rookie is one reason why it's tough to judge them before the team really gets its hands on them.



That's a much more compelling argument IMO than the Leon one. If we were going to keep someone just to limit carries for LT and Greene, Jones would have been the MUCH better choice. Damien Woody on his regular Tuesday night appearance on Late Hits last night said that the team wants to get back to its ground and pound mentality. If that's true, a 3rd back would certainly help. Of course, through 3 games, we only have 82 rush attempts. That puts us on pace for 437 on the season, or 170 fewer than all of last season. Granted, that doesn't account for increased PC out of the backfield, but that still more than accounts for the "lost touches" Leon would have given in junc's world.

If we want to return to or approximate the number of carries we had last year, TJ would have been a better choice for this offense. The way the offense is operating right now, though, we don't need either one.

there is no reason to go back to ground and pound. Right now we are almost a 50/50 perfect balance in rushing and pass attempts. that what you want. you want that balance. you don't wanna wear down our RBs from over carries.

[TommyGreen]

McKnight barely averaged 2.5 YPC in preseason, you think he'd do it in the reg season?



And Sanchez barely made a dent in Preseason, now he's 6/0 in TD/INT. What's your point?

Oh, and do you know who was the star running back in the 2006 preseason? Cedric Houston. Where is he now?

[nyjunc]

Behind our first team line? I absolutely do.



It was a mistake, obviously. No one is excusing that he failed, we're explaining that he wasn't out of shape. He was tired from overtraining, trying TOO hard to shift that perception. His entire brief tenure as a Jet, he's been bouncing around between extremes. They're working to find that middle. The differences in training regimes for a rookie is one reason why it's tough to judge them before the team really gets its hands on them.



That's a much more compelling argument IMO than the Leon one. If we were going to keep someone just to limit carries for LT and Greene, Jones would have been the MUCH better choice. Damien Woody on his regular Tuesday night appearance on Late Hits last night said that the team wants to get back to its ground and pound mentality. If that's true, a 3rd back would certainly help. Of course, through 3 games, we only have 82 rush attempts. That puts us on pace for 437 on the season, or 170 fewer than all of last season. Granted, that doesn't account for increased PC out of the backfield, but that still more than accounts for the "lost touches" Leon would have given in junc's world.

If we want to return to or approximate the number of carries we had last year, TJ would have been a better choice for this offense. The way the offense is operating right now, though, we don't need either one.

Now it's the OLs fault? Greene is averaging 3.5 w/ our starters, you think McKnight is going to come close to Greene?


I don't buy the overtraining excuse. he has many chances left to prove this year was a fluke but I am not buying any excuses for his failing the test.


If we kept Jones we wouldn't have gotten LT. Jones and LT are tied together, I think if we went back in time they would have kept Leon and signed LT.

[Hemi]

Now it's the OLs fault? Greene is averaging 3.5 w/ our starters, you think McKnight is going to come close to Greene?


I don't buy the overtraining excuse. he has many chances left to prove this year was a fluke but I am not buying any excuses for his failing the test.


If we kept Jones we wouldn't have gotten LT. Jones and LT are tied together, I think if we went back in time they would have kept Leon and signed LT.

So what is your reasoning for him failing the test one day, and passing it the next?

[ScotsJet]

If Ryan could go back in time and keep Thomas Jones I think it's pretty clear he'd do that.

I don't think Ryan does regrets. Also, I think he's more than happy with LT. We all saw what Jones had left late last season: nothing.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

there is no reason to go back to ground and pound. Right now we are almost a 50/50 perfect balance in rushing and pass attempts. that what you want. you want that balance. you don't wanna wear down our RBs from over carries.

Before things are done we're going to need the ability to dictate on the ground. The weather will get worse. We're fairly likely to have a playoff game in Pittsburgh or the Meadowlands, or both, in January. We're going to run into teams that decide that putting a lot of pressure on Sanchez is the way to beat us. A strong rushing attack is going to be a key ingredient in any late season success we have.

[nyjunc]

So what is your reasoning for him failing the test one day, and passing it the next?

I have no idea but I know it's not good to fail it under any circumstances but for a guy who threw up at mini camp it's even worse.

[........]

Now it's the OLs fault? Greene is averaging 3.5 w/ our starters, you think McKnight is going to come close to Greene?


I don't buy the overtraining excuse. he has many chances left to prove this year was a fluke but I am not buying any excuses for his failing the test.


If we kept Jones we wouldn't have gotten LT. Jones and LT are tied together, I think if we went back in time they would have kept Leon and signed LT.

Yes, I think part of the 2nd team offense's run struggles in the preseason can be attributed to the 2nd team OL. If not, why are people so sorry to see CW go? He had the same struggles in the preseason until late game scrubs came in on defense.

So now you know better than the coaching staff? Or rather, you don't trust what they say? It sounds to me like you believe whatever you believe and don't let any evidence stand in your way. Do you only believe Rex when it's convenient for you?

It was the right move to get rid of Leon. It was at the time, and it still is. He wouldn't be helping this team nearly as much as you think this season, and he wouldn't be helping us at ALL next season. I'd rather have Conner, or the two draft picks next year that you would have given away to get Conner this year.

[ukilledkenny]

McKnight was a move for NOW, he was supposed to replace Leon immediately. Of course it's too early to throw him away, he has chances to fulfill his promise but all that we have seen out of him has been disturbing. It amazes me how once we let someone go we trash him and we can defend anyone on our team no matter how little they have done. if mcKnight was a Patriot you guys would be trashing him saying how he has no shot but he's a Jet and he is bound for greatness.




How you can you say that he was a move for now? What pressing need do the Jets have that they expected McKnight to step into? Leons role is filled by LT, Jones' role is also currently filled by LT with some help from Greene. Kickoffs are handled by Brad Smith and punts are the only area it would be nice to have McKnight but we have a platoon of guys who can be used based on the game situation. Where else would Leon or McKnight be playing right now?

If you are trying to accuse me of pumping up McKnight and trashing Leon you must have missed what has to be 4 separate posts where I praised and wished Leon luck. Sometimes teams have good players that they just can't use because they don't have a spot for him. I would love to have Leon on the team as great insurance if either of our main backs goes down. The problem is no team has the luxury of keeping a guy like Leon to ride the bench in case of an injury.

Mcknight was drafted for his potential and as a work in progress. There is a reason a guy with first round talent fell so far in the draft. We got to see some of those reasons in the preseason and on HK. I am confident that all of his issues are fixable and that he will be ready to go when the time comes for him to see the field.

[........]

I have no idea but I know it's not good to fail it under any circumstances but for a guy who threw up at mini camp it's even worse.

You have no idea because you think Rex was lying to all of us. You could have an idea of why he failed it if you weren't wearing horse blinders.

[........]

How you can you say that he was a move for now? What pressing need do the Jets have that they expected McKnight to step into? Leons role is filled by LT Jones' role is also currently filled by LT with some help from Greene. Kickoffs are handled by Brad Smith and punts are the only area it would be nice to have McKnight but we have a platoon of guys who can be used based on the game situation. Where else would Leon or McKnight be playing right now?

If you are trying to accuse me of pumping up McKnight and trashing Leon you must have missed what has to be 4 separate posts where I praised and wished Leon luck. Sometimes teams have good players that they just can't use because they don't have a spot for him. I would love to have Leon on the team as great insurance if either of our main backs goes down. The problem is no team has the luxury of keeping a guy like Leon to ride the bench in case of an injury.

Mcknight was drafted for his potential and as a work in progress. There is a reason a guy with first round talent fell so far in the draft. We got to see some of those reasons in the preseason and on HK. I am confident that all of his issues are fixable and that he will be ready to go when the time comes for him to see the field.

He wanted Leon here to replace 80 - 112 of the 170 carries we're not likely to see anyway, to provide a minimal improvement over Brad Smith in the return game, and to ensure that this team either misses out on John Conner or starts next year's draft with only 4 draft picks.

[TommyGreen]

Get ready for junc's 30,000th irrelevent post!

[Hemi]

I have no idea but I know it's not good to fail it under any circumstances but for a guy who threw up at mini camp it's even worse.

What if he shit his pants, would that work better for you?

[ukilledkenny]

He wanted Leon here to replace 80 - 112 of the 170 carries we're not likely to see anyway, to provide a minimal improvement over Brad Smith in the return game, and to ensure that this team either misses out on John Conner or starts next year's draft with only 4 draft picks.

:lol:

How hard is it to see that there aren't enough carries for 3 backs on this team this year? They have unleashed Sanchez and the run blocking from the offensive line isn't as good as it was last year yet. If Sanchez is throwing the ball 30 times a game that leaves 30 running plays at most. Between traditional running plays with Greene and LT and the wildcat with Brad Smith we are already out of carries for every game.

[JCotchrocket]

Why are we talking about Joe McKnight? Because of Leon?

Couldn't we talk about Kerry Rhodes? Among the strengths of the veteran's we released/traded (Alan Faneca's run-blocking, Leon Washington's return ability, Kerry Rhodes' coverage skills, Thomas Jones' consistency) Rhodes' coverage skills is the strength most missed.

Don't that just stick in ya craw! :breakdance:

[WW85]

Get ready for junc's 30,000th irrelevent post!


....and what about 15,000 on Finheaven.

[MadBacker Prime]

Why are we talking about Joe McKnight? Because of Leon?

Couldn't we talk about Kerry Rhodes? Among the strengths of the veteran's we released/traded (Alan Faneca's run-blocking, Leon Washington's return ability, Kerry Rhodes' coverage skills, Thomas Jones' consistency) Rhodes' coverage skills is the strength most missed.

Don't that just stick in ya craw! :breakdance:



Off topic sorry, but this should be your avatar now- F'n brilliant.

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[Hemi]

....and what about 15,000 on Finheaven.

45,000 posts....holy shit.

[nyjunc]

Yes, I think part of the 2nd team offense's run struggles in the preseason can be attributed to the 2nd team OL. If not, why are people so sorry to see CW go? He had the same struggles in the preseason until late game scrubs came in on defense.

So now you know better than the coaching staff? Or rather, you don't trust what they say? It sounds to me like you believe whatever you believe and don't let any evidence stand in your way. Do you only believe Rex when it's convenient for you?

It was the right move to get rid of Leon. It was at the time, and it still is. He wouldn't be helping this team nearly as much as you think this season, and he wouldn't be helping us at ALL next season. I'd rather have Conner, or the two draft picks next year that you would have given away to get Conner this year.

McKnight: 38 carries, 103 yds, 2.7 YPC
Chauncey: 20 carries, 75 yds, 3.8 YPC
Woodhead: 16 carries, 57 yds, 3.6 YPC

None were great but Chauncey and woodhead were alot mroe effective behind the same OL.

Rex is a players coach, he talks the guys up. Please don't buy everything he says. You are smarter than that.


It may hve been the right move to trade leon, that will be determined in the coming years. Right now it doesn't look great but it may have been the right move- we'll see.

How you can you say that he was a move for now? What pressing need do the Jets have that they expected McKnight to step into? Leons role is filled by LT, Jones' role is also currently filled by LT with some help from Greene. Kickoffs are handled by Brad Smith and punts are the only area it would be nice to have McKnight but we have a platoon of guys who can be used based on the game situation. Where else would Leon or McKnight be playing right now?

If you are trying to accuse me of pumping up McKnight and trashing Leon you must have missed what has to be 4 separate posts where I praised and wished Leon luck. Sometimes teams have good players that they just can't use because they don't have a spot for him. I would love to have Leon on the team as great insurance if either of our main backs goes down. The problem is no team has the luxury of keeping a guy like Leon to ride the bench in case of an injury.

Mcknight was drafted for his potential and as a work in progress. There is a reason a guy with first round talent fell so far in the draft. We got to see some of those reasons in the preseason and on HK. I am confident that all of his issues are fixable and that he will be ready to go when the time comes for him to see the field.

You don't seem to get that LT wasn't signe dto take over Leon's role, he was signed to take part of that role and take over the role as #2 back that Jones would have had. We don't have a leon taking touches away from the top 2 backs and keeping them fresher for down the stretch.

Leon would not have cost us big dollars this year, we easily could have kept him.

You have no idea because you think Rex was lying to all of us. You could have an idea of why he failed it if you weren't wearing horse blinders.

Again, Rex will always pump up his players in the media. Don't believe everything he tells us. Remember how good vernon looked last year? how did that work out? Remember how he was talking up Cromartie while revis was out? Cromartie is good but he's no Revis as we saw on Sunday Night.

Get ready for junc's 30,000th irrelevent post!

I can't wait for your 1st relevant post.

:lol:

How hard is it to see that there aren't enough carries for 3 backs on this team this year? They have unleashed Sanchez and the run blocking from the offensive line isn't as good as it was last year yet. If Sanchez is throwing the ball 30 times a game that leaves 30 running plays at most. Between traditional running plays with Greene and LT and the wildcat with Brad Smith we are already out of carries for every game.

I love how people all of a sudden think we are a passing team. Yeah we'll pass more but we are still a run team first.

....and what about 15,000 on Finheaven.

It's nice to have fans that read my stuff wherever I post. Thank you.

[ukilledkenny]

Yeah predicting that the Jets will run a balanced offense the rest of the year means I think the Jets are a passing team.

Junc, you don't seem to get that there is no way that Leon would be getting carries right now. LT has been getting about 15 and Greene a little less. In a perfect world Greene is getting a few more carries and LT stays the same. There aren't enough plays in the game to effectively use Greene and LT and keep the passing attack going.

I love how you seem to think it would be preferable to have Leon on the field instead of LT at certain points in the game. LT is a complete back while Leon is a specialist. I love that you can't see the value in having the complete back on the field as much as possible.

[nyjunc]

Yeah predicting that the Jets will run a balanced offense the rest of the year means I think the Jets are a passing team.

Junc, you don't seem to get that there is no way that Leon would be getting carries right now. LT has been getting about 15 and Greene a little less. In a perfect world Greene is getting a few more carries and LT stays the same. There aren't enough plays in the game to effectively use Greene and LT and keep the passing attack going.

I love how you seem to think it would be preferable to have Leon on the field instead of LT at certain points in the game. LT is a complete back while Leon is a specialist. I love that you can't see the value in having the complete back on the field as much as possible.

Leon is a difference maker, he already won a game for Seattle. At some point he would have been a a difference maker for us. Maybe not right away as he is easing back but he would have been at sone point. Will it matter? will someone else pick up that slack? I don't know, we'll never know unless we win a SB. I have moved on, I'm tried of talking about this. I feel we made a mistake, you guys don't and that's great. We are allowed to have different opinions and again I can take one mistake when Tannebaum hasn't made many.

[ukilledkenny]

Leon is a difference maker, he already won a game for Seattle. At some point he would have been a a difference maker for us. Maybe not right away as he is easing back but he would have been at sone point. Will it matter? will someone else pick up that slack? I don't know, we'll never know unless we win a SB. I have moved on, I'm tried of talking about this. I feel we made a mistake, you guys don't and that's great. We are allowed to have different opinions and again I can take one mistake when Tannebaum hasn't made many.

I don't have a problem with you thinking it's a mistake. I have a problem with you declaring with certainty it was a mistake when our offensive backfield has been excellent so far this season. For all we know that was Leon's one big impact of the season. He could also go on to the pro bowl, we just don't know yet. Right now I find it hard to make a case for it being a mistake after two KO return touchdowns. If we revisit this in December we will have a pretty clear idea of if it was a mistake or not.

[........]

McKnight: 38 carries, 103 yds, 2.7 YPC
Chauncey: 20 carries, 75 yds, 3.8 YPC
Woodhead: 16 carries, 57 yds, 3.6 YPC

None were great but Chauncey and woodhead were alot mroe effective behind the same OL.

Rex is a players coach, he talks the guys up. Please don't buy everything he says. You are smarter than that.


It may hve been the right move to trade leon, that will be determined in the coming years. Right now it doesn't look great but it may have been the right move- we'll see.

Chauncey's success primarily came later in games, though, after defensive substitutions brought scrubs, not even backups, into the game. Watching the preseason games, he never looked better than McKnight when they were rotating in against those backups. That's why I made that comment in the other post.

I don't buy everything Rex says, but I do buy what he said about McKnight. I have no reason not to. It was stated that McKnight passed the same test weeks prior. There's no reason to think that a basic lack of conditioning was at fault. Fatigue from overtraining makes a whole lot more sense when you consider what happened to him in minicamp and what happened immediately after his failed test. I was shocked so much was made of it...well, surprised anyway. The media just wanted a story to start off camp.

Again, the only way you can argue that it wasn't the right move is if we have to rely on McKnight this season and he fails, while Leon establishes himself in the running game in Seattle. As of right now, we've addressed the limited carries issue by simply limiting carries. We haven't needed anyone to replace those carries. It won't take a few seasons to know whether it was the right move. Leon could have been a Jet for ONE more season. That's it. We'll know all we need to about this trade by the offseason. Don't think McKnight's future success determines the value of the Leon trade. He was likely going to be the pick whether we got rid of Leon or not as a high-potential future prospect for our run game.

[........]

Leon is a difference maker, he already won a game for Seattle. At some point he would have been a a difference maker for us. Maybe not right away as he is easing back but he would have been at sone point. Will it matter? will someone else pick up that slack? I don't know, we'll never know unless we win a SB. I have moved on, I'm tried of talking about this. I feel we made a mistake, you guys don't and that's great. We are allowed to have different opinions and again I can take one mistake when Tannebaum hasn't made many.

There's simply no basis for asserting this is necessarily true. 80 carry backs don't win championships. You can argue that kick returners make an impact, but we already have a solid kick returner. It's not like we're lining up a scrub back there and could have had Leon.

[NDmick]

Hindsight is fun.

[MBGreen]

I don't even know why there's an argument.

Rex determined that McKnight isn't ready to play this season....when he is....he'll be activated. That's not a shot at his talent level....if anything....it was a decision based on his preparation to play this season. He didn't show the coaching staff that he deserved a spot on the active roster.

He's not vital to the offense this year.....so let him sit back and learn.....why can't some of you accept that?

[NDmick]

I don't even know why there's an argument.

Rex determined that McKnight isn't ready to play this season....when he is....he'll be activated. That's not a shot at his talent level....if anything....it was a decision based on his preparation to play this season. He didn't show the coaching staff that he deserved a spot on the active roster.

He's not vital to the offense this year.....so let him sit back and learn.....why can't some of you accept that?
Because in hindsight we can keep Leon for one year to return kicks and touch the ball 80 times.


because we miss him.



And Hard Knocks told me to hate Joe McKnight

[rex-N-effects]

Mcknight was drafted to replace LT when LT retires sometime in the next 2 years. He wasn't drafted to start right away. plus his issues can be fixed 1 the fumbles and 2 his reluctance to run hard between the tackles. He actually did really well on PRs for us and if rex wasn't worried about teh fumbles he'd probably return punts for us and also possibly kicks

[MBGreen]

Because in hindsight we can keep Leon for one year to return kicks and touch the ball 80 times.


because we miss him.



And Hard Knocks told me to hate Joe McKnight
hahaha....


I'm happy that Leon found gainful employment outside our division....but that's as far as it goes for me. It took all of 20 seconds for me to get over the fact that he's not a Jet anymore.

Sure...he's a playmaker....but his pricetag was too high for what the role we had for him on this team. But some people and their grade 3 educations fail to accept this for some reason.....and are more than willing to point the finger at McKnight as a scapegoat for Leon's departure.

[JetBlue]

3 PR- 3 more than Joe
1 KR- 1 more than Joe
8 carries- 8 more than Joe
2 recs - 2 more than Joe


real significant contributions there. too bad the Jets haven't benefited by handing the ball to Leon 8 times this year, we may be undefeated.

[nyjunc]

real significant contributions there. too bad the Jets haven't benefited by handing the ball to Leon 8 times this year, we may be undefeated.

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.

[TommyGreen]

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.

What if they activated Joe McKnight and he ran 80 yards for a TD?!!

There are so many funny and horrendous things that I want to call you right now, but I don't feel like getting banned.

[Hemi]

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.

Holy shit you go off on so many out of control hypotheticals?

What if he fumbled? What if he gambled on the game and gave his playbook to the Patriots? What if a pack of aliens abducted the team before gametime, and said the only way we let you go if is you have one player named Leon Washington sing a song to us?

[MBGreen]

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.
junc,

you and I have locked horns on many occasions....and for the most part, I respect your tenacity. But you're gonna play the "what if" bullshit? C'mon....

[nyjunc]

What if they activated Joe McKnight and he ran 80 yards for a TD?!!

There are so many funny and horrendous things that I want to call you right now, but I don't feel like getting banned.

Do you watch football? I can have a more intelligent discussion about football w/ my 5 year old. My hypothetical is based on past and current performance, your asinine example trying to make me look foolish(instea dmaking yourslef look foolish) is for a player who has never done a thing, never showed a thing on O and has one good PR for an entire camp and preseason.

Instead of worrying about hurling insults, PAY ATTENTION so you can learn.

Holy shit you go off on so many out of control hypotheticals?

What if he fumbled? What if he gambled on the game and gave his playbook to the Patriots? What if a pack of aliens abducted the team before gametime, and said the only way we let you go if is you have one player named Leon Washington sing a song to us?

Were you paying attention to the discussion? If you were you wouldn be posting this.

junc,

you and I have locked horns on many occasions....and for the most part, I respect your tenacity. But you're gonna play the "what if" bullshit? C'mon....

Read the post I responded to. He was mocking Leon's potential impact, I simply stated who knows? one play could have made the difference in that one point loss but maybe he wouldn't have helped? I know from watching the man for us for 4 years that every year he made plays to help us win a game we may not have won w/o him so it's not a far fetched example as he just won a game on Sunday that his team would have had no shot w/o him.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

What if Leon carried the ball up the gut and got his leg broken in half, thus causing him to fumble?

[Hobbes3259]

I don't even know why there's an argument.

Rex determined that McKnight isn't ready to play this season....when he is....he'll be activated. That's not a shot at his talent level....if anything....it was a decision based on his preparation to play this season. He didn't show the coaching staff that he deserved a spot on the active roster.

He's not vital to the offense this year.....so let him sit back and learn.....why can't some of you accept that?

We can.

With Woodhead a Pat, and Washington a Ram....where do you go if Green or LT sprains an ankle?

[Hobbes3259]

What if Leon carried the ball up the gut and got his leg broken in half, thus causing him to fumble?

What if Leon's wife had balls?


She'd be his Husband...

[MadBacker Prime]

What if he was on the 1 yard line, fumbled, broke his leg clean off, and the flying leg knocked the ball through the uprights?

[MBGreen]

We can.

With Woodhead a Pat, and Washington a Ram....where do you go if Green or LT sprains an ankle?
Woodhead was never a good option at HB......and I'll agree with you about Washington, I wish he was still available to us in case of emergency.

We have access to other practice squads too, Hobbes....actually, I believe the Jets addressed the loss of C.Washington by signing a HB off the Bills' PS.

McKnight isn't ready....that's the bottom line. Not all players are ready to start right out of college. I'm sorry that you can't accept that...but that's the nature of the beast. If he's not ready next year....then there should be a cause for concern.

[Hobbes3259]

What if he was on the 1 yard line, fumbled, broke his leg clean off, and the flying leg knocked the ball through the uprights?

What down?

[TommyGreen]

Do you watch football? I can have a more intelligent discussion about football w/ my 5 year old. My hypothetical is based on past and current performance, your asinine example trying to make me look foolish(instea dmaking yourslef look foolish) is for a player who has never done a thing, never showed a thing on O and has one good PR for an entire camp and preseason.

Instead of worrying about hurling insults, PAY ATTENTION so you can learn.


Listen, bud. I've seen your tired shtick time and time again over the years. You contribute nothing besides arguing the consensus on EVERYTHING. Yeah, we get it, you like playing Devil's Advocate. From blaming to the defense for the loss on Monday night to crying over Leon Washington and destroying McKnight before he's even had a chance to touch the fuckn' field.

Simply put, you just like to argue. You get a kick out of it. There's no discussion going on because you simply assume you're right and that the majority of posters who feel one way are idiots and "don't know football". If you didn't LOVE arguing, you wouldn't have over 20,000 fuckn posts in FINHEAVEN, a DOLPHINS MESSAGE BOARD.

And you have the nerve to say that I appear foolish? Holy shit, man.

[Hobbes3259]

Woodhead was never a good option at HB......and I'll agree with you about Washington, I wish he was still available to us in case of emergency.

We have access to other practice squads too, Hobbes....actually, I believe the Jets addressed the loss of C.Washington by signing a HB off the Bills' PS.

McKnight isn't ready....that's the bottom line. Not all players are ready to start right out of college. I'm sorry that you can't accept that...but that's the nature of the beast. If he's not ready next year....then there should be a cause for concern.

My point is...once Woodhead was gone, instead of keeping WR trash on the roster..we should have kept a guy we can actually use.

[MBGreen]

My point is...once Woodhead was gone, instead of keeping WR trash on the roster..we should have kept a guy we can actually use.
the only explanation i can give you, Hobbes....is that the HB position is the easiest to replace on the roster.

The Jets FO obviously doesn't view our 3rd string HB position as a potential weakness.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

My point is...once Woodhead was gone, instead of keeping WR trash on the roster..we should have kept a guy we can actually use.
We signed another RB to the practice squad. Problem solved.

[MBGreen]

We signed another RB to the practice squad. Problem solved.
I mentioned that in my previous response to him....it must've flown over his head.

[Hobbes3259]

We signed another RB to the practice squad. Problem solved.

Who was not nearly as good as the two guys we lost.
If he was...St.L or NE would have signed him instead.

So that doesn't really solve the problem.

We are becoming eerily reminiscent at the RB position as we were at the QB position when Vinny ruptured his achilles.

As I said..this is all being done so we can claim trash we don't really need, nor can ever use....Going one step further...Clowney had two short range targets in Sunday Nights game...Nothing there Woodhead or Turner...(I'm guessing they think he may be a find as a posession/red Zone WR project who has with exp. with #6)...

But keeping both WR's (knowing that Holmes is coming back) and losing RB's that had time with the team, and at least a modicum of ability is a move that it's not hard to find fault with.

[Hobbes3259]

the only explanation i can give you, Hobbes....is that the HB position is the easiest to replace on the roster.

The Jets FO obviously doesn't view our 3rd string HB position as a potential weakness.

Once upon a time....The Legendary Bill Parcells did not view backup QB as a potential weakness (see Mirer, Rick NYJ).

Keeping Clowney and Turner...and losing a guy that has been here for multiple years and shown ability was a silly thing to do.

[ace_o_spades]

lol people are still talking about this?

[Hobbes3259]

lol people are still talking about this?

Slow news day...!

[JetBlue]

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.

we didn't need anymore big plays to set up the offense, they were put in good field position all night and couldn't score. you kind of have to ignore that to make the claim that the offense would have played better if Leon Washington would have gotten the ball to midfield rather than Cromartie getting the ball to the 20 yard line.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

Who was not nearly as good as the two guys we lost.
If he was...St.L or NE would have signed him instead.

So that doesn't really solve the problem.

You have no idea how good he is or whether STL or NE felt these guys were better. The truth is that these guys are marginal NFL RB's and those type of players are a dime a dozen. Even if woodhead or washington are better, the difference is likely minimal.


We are becoming eerily reminiscent at the RB position as we were at the QB position when Vinny ruptured his achilles.

Are you seriously comparing a 3rd/4th string RB to a backup QB?


As I said..this is all being done so we can claim trash we don't really need, nor can ever use....Going one step further...Clowney had two short range targets in Sunday Nights game...Nothing there Woodhead or Turner...(I'm guessing they think he may be a find as a posession/red Zone WR project who has with exp. with #6)...

But keeping both WR's (knowing that Holmes is coming back) and losing RB's that had time with the team, and at least a modicum of ability is a move that it's not hard to find fault with.

It's a lot more difficult to plug in a new WR or TE than a RB.

[nyjunc]

Listen, bud. I've seen your tired shtick time and time again over the years. You contribute nothing besides arguing the consensus on EVERYTHING. Yeah, we get it, you like playing Devil's Advocate. From blaming to the defense for the loss on Monday night to crying over Leon Washington and destroying McKnight before he's even had a chance to touch the fuckn' field.

Simply put, you just like to argue. You get a kick out of it. There's no discussion going on because you simply assume you're right and that the majority of posters who feel one way are idiots and "don't know football". If you didn't LOVE arguing, you wouldn't have over 20,000 fuckn posts in FINHEAVEN, a DOLPHINS MESSAGE BOARD.

And you have the nerve to say that I appear foolish? Holy shit, man.

Stop trying to make a name for yourself on the board by coming after me. You are beneath me, please allow others w/ knowledge of the game to debate so that we can all learn from each other.

we didn't need anymore big plays to set up the offense, they were put in good field position all night and couldn't score. you kind of have to ignore that to make the claim that the offense would have played better if Leon Washington would have gotten the ball to midfield rather than Cromartie getting the ball to the 20 yard line.

All it would have taken was one play on O or STs, you never know.

[TommyGreen]

Stop trying to make a name for yourself on the board by coming after me. You are beneath me, please allow others w/ knowledge of the game to debate so that we can all learn from each other.


The hilarious part of this all is that you still think that your opinions matter on this board, when in fact everyone thinks you're a joke.

[Hobbes3259]

You have no idea how good he is or whether STL or NE felt these guys were better. The truth is that these guys are marginal NFL RB's and those type of players are a dime a dozen. Even if woodhead or washington are better, the difference is likely minimal.


Are you seriously comparing a 3rd/4th string RB to a backup QB?


On the first point...I sort of agree.

I pointed out the difference...on the cerebral parts, like protections blitz pickups etc...those two guys had a 2 year headstart..

And as for TE/WR we already have Cumberland, and I'd have kept Turner over Clowney and elevated Washington.

And Yes...in this league...RB's get hurt with greater frequency than QB's so your third RB is probably more likely to step in than your B/U QB.

(Plus..generally if your missing your starting QB your probably F*d. You don't need to be if you're shuffling RB's one step up the ladder)

[nyjunc]

The hilarious part of this all is that you still think that your opinions matter on this board, when in fact everyone thinks you're a joke.

At what point to actually try to join the debate rather than hurling insults like a little child? Again, pay attention and learn rather than attack so you can actually participate in future discussions.

[BleednGreen247]

Cut mcknight!!!

[BleednGreen247]

Stop trying to make a name for yourself on the board by coming after me. You are beneath me, please allow others w/ knowledge of the game to debate so that we can all learn from each other.



All it would have taken was one play on O or STs, you never know.

Lmaooo :rofl2:

[JetBlue]

All it would have taken was one play on O or STs, you never know.

yes, Leon Washington would have solved all the offensive problems we had against the Ravens. perhaps your game one thread should have been about blaming Tanny for the loss since he got rid of the one player in the league who could have made us play differently that night.

[nyjunc]

yes, Leon Washington would have solved all the offensive problems we had against the Ravens. perhaps your game one thread should have been about blaming Tanny for the loss since he got rid of the one player in the league who could have made us play differently that night.

You mock but all we needed was one play, one spark. Who knows? Maybe he wouldn't have made a difference? but again he's already won a game for his new team so I don't get why it is crazy in a 1 pt loss how a playmaker could have helped us. I know he had a better chance to help us than McKnight. McKnight was doing the same thing we were doing that night- cheering on the team.

[TommyGreen]

At what point to actually try to join the debate rather than hurling insults like a little child? Again, pay attention and learn rather than attack so you can actually participate in future discussions.

What discussion? You're never involved in any discussions. Your points are so beyond ridiculous that the only responses you get are people telling you how stupid those points are.

And why should I bother entering into discussions with you when you obviously have no desire to hear the rational side of things, but you'd rather stick to your own perverted ideas on a particular situation.

You're nothing but a troll with a higher post count.

[nyjunc]

What discussion? You're never involved in any discussions. Your points are so beyond ridiculous that the only responses you get are people telling you how stupid those points are.

And why should I bother entering into discussions with you when you obviously have no desire to hear the rational side of things, but you'd rather stick to your own perverted ideas on a particular situation.

You're nothing but a troll with a higher post count.

yes, my point that leon washington could help us more than Joe McKnight this year is beyond ridiculous. :breakdance: How long have you watched football?

Enough, either participate or don't. You bore me w/ your childish antics.

[NDmick]

Stop trying to make a name for yourself on the board by coming after me. You are beneath me, please allow others w/ knowledge of the game to debate so that we can all learn from each other.



All it would have taken was one play on O or STs, you never know.
I'm laughing at you as well.

This was embarrassing.

[nyjunc]

I'm laughing at you as well.

This was embarrassing.

What was?...........

[NDmick]

What was?...........
Um dat post.

[nyjunc]

Um dat post.

I agree on that one but he/she was irritating me. I hate when people don't participate in discussions and just hurl insults like children.

[BookEndTackles 72&79]

Trading Leon was as much a business decision as it was an on the field decision. Sure, he was a known quantity but he was coming off an injury and rehabbing on his own. The team didn't know much about his progress since Keels was basically painting a rosy picture in order to leverage a deal and the front office and him obviously don't see eye to eye or trust one another. Odds are they would have lost Leon anyway after this year so the organization covered itself by reshuffling he deck at RB due to the uncertainty. I have no problems with the way the front office handled this. There was risk either way and it was simple asset management. I wish Leon luck as he was a good teammate and was glad to see him make a big impact last week. I hope he produces and gets the deal he wants.

[Cakes]

We know Tony can run w/ the football although he's had very limited carries as a Jet, Connor hasn't had that chance yet but hopefully he could too in a pinch. We'd be in big trouble if Greene or LT got hurt though.

If either Greene or Tomlinson were to get injured and had to sit out a game, then McKnight would be activated for that game.
You wrote that the team would be in big trouble if Greene or Tomlinson got injured. The team would be in some sort of trouble, but I'm not sure it would
be big trouble. Maybe McKnight would step in and play well. I don't like what I saw from him in preseason, but sometimes the light comes on for a player at a weird time.

[Tony]

McKnight sucks. He was a high school star who couldn't make the grade in college, and if he couldn't handle that, then how is he supposed to handle the NFL? Seriously, I think Chauncy Washington would have been better use of that roster spot. Even Danny Woodhead would have been better. At least he is somewhat intelligent and really wants to play. McKnight is a bum.

[NDmick]

McKnight sucks. He was a high school star who couldn't make the grade in college, and if he couldn't handle that, then how is he supposed to handle the NFL? Seriously, I think Chauncy Washington would have been better use of that roster spot. Even Danny Woodhead would have been better. At least he is somewhat intelligent and really wants to play. McKnight is a bum.
He did well at USC.

When you are compared to Reggie Bush everyday in college, you aren't going to beat his dynamic ability. No one has to date. It was unfair to him.

Now he comes to the Jets and the LW comparisons start immediately. Poor kid never had a chance. He's the Kellen Clemens of the RB corp. But here's the good news, there are two RBs who are amazing at what they do ahead of him.

When people bitch about the 3rd string RB, you know that the team must be pretty good.

[........]

McKnight sucks. He was a high school star who couldn't make the grade in college, and if he couldn't handle that, then how is he supposed to handle the NFL? Seriously, I think Chauncy Washington would have been better use of that roster spot. Even Danny Woodhead would have been better. At least he is somewhat intelligent and really wants to play. McKnight is a bum.

Based on what? He rushed for over 1000 yards at 6.2 YPC in a committee. That was a better average than Jahvid Best and Mark Ingram. He was hampered by the fact that he wasn't the only blue chip RB to come into USC his freshman year. Out of the Fab Four, he turned into the best RB, but he was still in a committee.

Do me a favor. Come back and give me this same take when Joe McKnight develops.

[624]

yes, my point that leon washington could help us more than Joe McKnight this year is beyond ridiculous. :breakdance: How long have you watched football?

Enough, either participate or don't. You bore me w/ your childish antics.

I don't think I read once that anyone denied that Leon is better than McKnight RIGHT NOW.

The problem is, we have LT and Greene. They are both better than LW, which means he would rarely see the field.

At the end of the year Leon was gone anyway. Financially and football-wise, he was gone at the end of the year. So we got value instead, and drafted a young developmental back.


Leon or McKnight. Neither of them would have done much to help the 2010 New York Jets.


...so I'll take the cheaper, more talented, younger, project back instead that can help us more in the future after LT is gone.


I feel like the posters that have a clue what they're talking about have been repeating these basic arguments for pages now. You must really take pride in boosting your unhealthy post count to continue to argue the same arguments with ridiculous, senseless points.

[TommyGreen]

yes, my point that leon washington could help us more than Joe McKnight this year is beyond ridiculous. :breakdance: How long have you watched football?

Enough, either participate or don't. You bore me w/ your childish antics.

Where the hell would Leon fit in the rotation? He's averaging 2.7 ypc, and has 2 KR TDs. Good for him, but Shonn Greene and LT are both outperforming him in the running game, so I'm not exactly sure how Leon would help us other than the possibility of a couple of return TDs. And that's far from guaranteed.

Joe McKnight has done dick for us so far because he isn't expected to do dick for us yet. We're much stronger at RB than we were when Leon was a rookie. If Greene or LT gets hurt and McKnight comes in and averages more than 2.7 ypc then he'll already have outplayed Leon.

The point is that your entire position on the matter depends on IFs. Big, huge, gargantuan IFs. You're arguing about a Kick Returner, and what would have been a 3rd string RB. Are you seriously so deprived in life that you have to spend hours upon hours arguing about this?

Get a life.

[NDmick]

One thing about Leon that I noticed by watching the 2nd half of the Seattle/Chargers game (my friend has the NFL package, and he had money on it):

Leon doesn't look like he's running the same way. Something looks different. His cuts aren't razor sharp, and he seems to run with a little more power than quickness. I can imagine this is from the injury (duh).

I can imagine that's why he has 2.6 YPC. He's not the same guy. His 2 KO returns? Horrible coverage on the Chargers part. Leon still has the breakaway speed, but not the quickness.

What does that mean to me? Well, it means he's a Kick Returner, doesn't deserve the money he is asking for, and would be the 3rd RB on the depth chart and see 2 carries a game because of what LT does.

So the Jets saved money by letting him go and didn't lose anything in return. Actually, they gained a FB who looks like he's gunna play 17 years and crack a few ribs of opposing LBs.

[624]

One thing about Leon that I noticed by watching the 2nd half of the Seattle/Chargers game (my friend has the NFL package, and he had money on it):

Leon doesn't look like he's running the same way. Something looks different. His cuts aren't razor sharp, and he seems to run with a little more power than quickness. I can imagine this is from the injury (duh).

I can imagine that's why he has 2.6 YPC. He's not the same guy. His 2 KO returns? Horrible coverage on the Chargers part. Leon still has the breakaway speed, but not the quickness.

Yeah, I could imagine that.


When recovering form injuries you will almost always get your straight line speed back, it's the agility/quickness that you can lose.


..and that was Leon's whole game.

[NDmick]

Yeah, I could imagine that.


When recovering form injuries you will almost always get your straight line speed back, it's the agility/quickness that you can lose.


..and that was Leon's whole game.
That's why I trust the FO's decisions.

Track record is pretty beast so far when it comes to personnel.

[Revis is your daddy]

I agree on that one but he/she was irritating me. I hate when people don't participate in discussions and just hurl insults like children.

He/she. What ever did happen to Kelly. Havent seen him/her post in awhile

[Miamipuck]

That's why I trust the FO's decisions.

Track record is pretty beast so far when it comes to personnel.

I would imagine that injury is similar to an ACL injury. It took a similar amount of time to heal. Given that an ACL tear is a 2yr injury..... I would venture a guess you will see what he is really capable of, next year. He would be 29, another reason why the FO cut bait.

[ToneTime69d]

they really should move on but there not ready to admitt there mistake

i just hope lt and greene stay healthy that way we wont be stuck with mcknight fumbling every time he is touched

[624]

I would imagine that injury is similar to an ACL injury. It took a similar amount of time to heal. Given that an ACL tear is a 2yr injury..... I would venture a guess you will see what he is really capable of, next year. He would be 29, another reason why the FO cut bait.

He also wouldn't be on our team.


__________________________________________________ __

I don't understand how people still don't realize the reasoning behind the Leon decision 5 months after it happened.

[CatoTheElder]

what if Leon made one play against baltimore and we kick a FG and win? or one big return to set up a FG? We don't know. It's amazing how we throw out our old players and pump up our current players.

What if Schottenheimer called a pass play that asked Sanchez to look more than 7 yards downfield?

What if Rex died on the sidelines and the team rallied to honor his memory?

What if a SWAT team stormed the field and dragged Joe Flacco out in the middle of a play on human trafficking charges?

This is a fun game!

[........]

they really should move on but there not ready to admitt there mistake

i just hope lt and greene stay healthy that way we wont be stuck with mcknight fumbling every time he is touched

If you're talking about moving on by cutting McKnight, then you can GFY.

[NDmick]

they really should move on but there not ready to admitt there mistake

i just hope lt and greene stay healthy that way we wont be stuck with mcknight fumbling every time he is touched
yeah this is why fans don't run the team.

By the logic, Brick and Sanchez are cut in their 1st year too.

[CatoTheElder]

yeah this is why fans don't run the team.

By the logic, Brick and Sanchez are cut in their 1st year too.

Don't forget that bum Keller!11!

[Tony]

He did well at USC.

When you are compared to Reggie Bush everyday in college, you aren't going to beat his dynamic ability. No one has to date. It was unfair to him.

Now he comes to the Jets and the LW comparisons start immediately. Poor kid never had a chance. He's the Kellen Clemens of the RB corp. But here's the good news, there are two RBs who are amazing at what they do ahead of him.

When people bitch about the 3rd string RB, you know that the team must be pretty good.

He's had all the chances in the world. If he can't even perform at practice to be activated, why should they put him on the field? He'd probably mis a block and get Sanchez killed. Forget McKnight, man. He's a waste. He just doesn't have a head for the game.

[Poeman]

lol Leon Washington for comeback player of the year?

[WhiteShoeWillis]

I can't wait for the day this thread is bump worthy, because I assure you it will be bumped if that happens.

[624]

I can't wait for the day this thread is bump worthy, because I assure you it will be bumped if that happens.

The Kyle Wilson one too.

[Miamipuck]

He also wouldn't be on our team.


I don't understand how people still don't realize the reasoning behind the Leon decision 5 months after it happened.

What you talking about Willis. I understand the reasons.

I don't particularly give a crap he isn't on the team. Shit Shonne Green is having a difficult time getting carries with LT, Sanchez playing way better, and Brad Smith. I don't see LW getting any carries in this current format and his current skills.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

The Kyle Wilson one too.

add them to your "threads to bump" bookmark folder.

[624]

What you talking about Willis. I understand the reasons.

I don't particularly give a crap he isn't on the team. Shit Shonne Green is having a difficult time getting carries with LT, Sanchez playing way better, and Brad Smith. I don't see LW getting any carries in this current format and his current skills.

My bad puck, that wasn't directed at you...I thought I made it more obvious in that post.


It was directed at the retards that don't understand it, obviously you do.

[Miamipuck]

My bad puck, that wasn't directed at you...I thought I made it more obvious in that post.


It was directed at the retards that don't understand it, obviously you do.

Lol yeah I figured but wasn't sure.

[Miamipuck]

Where the hell would Leon fit in the rotation? He's averaging 2.7 ypc, and has 2 KR TDs. Good for him, but Shonn Greene and LT are both outperforming him in the running game, so I'm not exactly sure how Leon would help us other than the possibility of a couple of return TDs. And that's far from guaranteed.

Joe McKnight has done dick for us so far because he isn't expected to do dick for us yet. We're much stronger at RB than we were when Leon was a rookie. If Greene or LT gets hurt and McKnight comes in and averages more than 2.7 ypc then he'll already have outplayed Leon.

The point is that your entire position on the matter depends on IFs. Big, huge, gargantuan IFs. You're arguing about a Kick Returner, and what would have been a 3rd string RB. Are you seriously so deprived in life that you have to spend hours upon hours arguing about this?

Get a life.


Lol beware:

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[CatoTheElder]

Where the hell would Leon fit in the rotation? He's averaging 2.7 ypc, and has 2 KR TDs. Good for him, but Shonn Greene and LT are both outperforming him in the running game, so I'm not exactly sure how Leon would help us other than the possibility of a couple of return TDs. And that's far from guaranteed.

Joe McKnight has done dick for us so far because he isn't expected to do dick for us yet. We're much stronger at RB than we were when Leon was a rookie. If Greene or LT gets hurt and McKnight comes in and averages more than 2.7 ypc then he'll already have outplayed Leon.

The point is that your entire position on the matter depends on IFs. Big, huge, gargantuan IFs. You're arguing about a Kick Returner, and what would have been a 3rd string RB. Are you seriously so deprived in life that you have to spend hours upon hours arguing about this?

Get a life.

Yea, that's a win.

[ace_o_spades]

So basic premise...

junc: Leon could have made a big play
everybody else: Yeah but he also could not and he wouldn't have seen the field much because of LT and Greene
junc: yea but what if Leon makes a big play?
everybody else: yea but what if he doesn't...wouldn't that be a waste since he's gone after this year anyway?
junc: yea but what if he wins a game for us?

etc etc

[Miamipuck]

So basic premise...

junc: Leon could have made a big play
everybody else: Yeah but he also could not and he wouldn't have seen the field much because of LT and Greene
junc: yea but what if Leon makes a big play?
everybody else: yea but what if he doesn't...wouldn't that be a waste since he's gone after this year anyway?
junc: yea but what if he wins a game for us?

etc etc

Exactly typical junc.........To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

[TommyGreen]

LOL

junc has a reputation for being reasonable on Finheaven. Go figure.

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[ace_o_spades]

He's just being nice to the gays

[NDmick]

He's had all the chances in the world. If he can't even perform at practice to be activated, why should they put him on the field? He'd probably mis a block and get Sanchez killed. Forget McKnight, man. He's a waste. He just doesn't have a head for the game.
All the chances in the world is when you are on your 4th team and can't get shit done.

One TC isn't all the chances in the world.

Funny how Greene needed work on blocking assignment and ball security and yet its forgotten so quickly.

If the kid wasn't down on himself with Coach Lynn yelling at him, none of this would be an issue.

I'm not giving up that quickly.

[JetBlue]

Yea, that's a win.

but would it have been a win if Leon Washington had run a kickoff for a TD against the Ravens?

[CatoTheElder]

but would it have been a win if Leon Washington had run a kickoff for a TD against the Ravens?

Not as much of a win as if he threw the game winning TD pass on an end-around!

[........]

I think you're all ignoring a hidden impact of Leon's departure. What if he had wisely invested his paycheck from us this season in a local farm that specializes in escarole? What if the farm turned to McKnight and asked him to pick up the slack in investment? I've heard Joe is a failure in investing and he probably invested in red leaf lettuce instead. Meanwhile, Leon helped the escarole business of Seattle when he could have been helping New York's.

Now, instead of some of it being escarole, NONE OF IT IS FUCKING ESCAROLE! WHY IS NO ONE THINKING OF JONNYD?!?

[JetBlue]

I think you're all ignoring a hidden impact of Leon's departure. What if he had wisely invested his paycheck from us this season in a local farm that specializes in escarole? What if the farm turned to McKnight and asked him to pick up the slack in investment? I've heard Joe is a failure in investing and he probably invested in red leaf lettuce instead. Meanwhile, Leon helped the escarole business of Seattle when he could have been helping New York's.

Now, instead of some of it being escarole, NONE OF IT IS FUCKING ESCAROLE! WHY IS NO ONE THINKING OF JONNYD?!?

I think that may have been the most probable what if presented. I change my mind, Tanny really is an f'ing idiot for trading Leon, and the team, city, state and the world are worse now for it.

[NDmick]

I'm in the mood to write:

Leon had 1 attempt on sunday. One. Zero yards.

Leon has not caught a pass out of the backfield, something he was pretty good at.

So Jones-Drew money for this KO returner? Yeah, no. I think I'll trade him for John Conner and be set for the next decade and a half. Good trade.

3rd string to Justin Forsett and Julius Jones. Washington now sits behind the brother of Thomas Jones.

Jones-Drew money? Really Alvin? Alvin Keels is a pair of clown shoes.

Great fucking trade Tanny.

Let me go dig up another thread and post this in it.

[TommyGreen]

Clearly junc doesn't care about any of these points that we've made. His only interest is arguing in circles. That's what he does. That's his shtick.

Wait until Rhodes has a two pick game, and he'll educate us all on what an idiot Tanny was for trading that nancy.

Or if Hightower rushes for 120 yards and he blows chuncks over Faneca.

And if somehow Mangini manages to take his team to 8-8, we'll be blessed with his analysis of how Mangini would coach this talent better than Ryan.

[Hemi]

Holy shit. Three weeks into the season, and I already see a post calling the draft a "botch". So now draft picks get three fucking weeks to prove themselves?

Hence my jokes in the Wilson thread about cutting him. I seriously think that is how some people think.

Some are never happy as a Jets fan. Not happy when the team is 2-1, while missing three key players. Instead they harp on a player who is not coming back, will never be back and has no real role on this team at this point.

[624]

New York Jets 09/30/2010 03:10 PM ET
EA: Coach Ryan says Joe McKnight is really coming along and he could be active this week.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

New York Jets 09/30/2010 03:10 PM ET
EA: Coach Ryan says Joe McKnight is really coming along and he could be active this week.

I call hornet. Why would Rex activate a bust?

[624]

I call hornet. Why would Rex activate a bust?

If Rex doesn't activate busts then why has Wilson been playing?

[WhiteShoeWillis]

If Rex doesn't activate busts then why has Wilson been playing?

good point. Maybe Wilson is getting cut to make room for him.

[........]

New York Jets 09/30/2010 03:10 PM ET
EA: Coach Ryan says Joe McKnight is really coming along and he could be active this week.

That would be fantastic. I was hoping for mid-season.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

That would be fantastic. I was hoping for mid-season.

Hopefully they're planning on a lot of carries (for all RB's) this week ...

[624]

good point. Maybe Wilson is getting cut to make room for him.

I'll be sure to confirm this if/when incarceratedbob informs us.

[........]

Hopefully they're planning on a lot of carries (for all RB's) this week ...

It would be the smart gameplan. I figured they'd do it with 2 backs, but if they feel McKnight has his ball control issues fixed, I'd love to finally see what he can do with our first team OL.

Remember, 2.7 YPC makes the Leon trade a success :lol:

[TommyGreen]

It would be the smart gameplan. I figured they'd do it with 2 backs, but if they feel McKnight has his ball control issues fixed, I'd love to finally see what he can do with our first team OL.

Remember, 2.7 YPC makes the Leon trade a success :lol:

If McKnight gets more than 2.7 YPC if he plays this week, then junc can all do us a favor and delete his name and post on Finheaven exclusively.

[legler82]

So Kyle Wilson may end up losing his starting spot and his part time punt returning role. Tough week.

[JfaulkNYJ]

New York Jets 09/30/2010 03:10 PM ET
EA: Coach Ryan says Joe McKnight is really coming along and he could be active this week.

finally. give the kid a fucking chance. i think he will be a good player in the future.

So Kyle Wilson may end up losing his starting spot and his part time punt returning role. Tough week.

he isnt going to lose anything unless hes out played. he needs a break.

[jetsflyinginjersey]

Why doesn't McKnight field punts or kickoffs? At least punts; I don't want Leonhard, our starting safety, fielding them and getting hurt. Give the kid a chance. Reminds me of Bush; doesn't have the exact same speed, but his style is very alike.

[CatoTheElder]

If McKnight gets more than 2.7 YPC if he plays this week, then junc can all do us a favor and delete his name and post on Finheaven exclusively.

Leon had 2 KR TDS!!!!1111111111!!!!1!

[Vorrecht]

This is probably the best week to play him. We should run the ball all day long and give McKnight the garbage carries.

[abyzmul]

Why doesn't McKnight field punts or kickoffs? At least punts; I don't want Leonhard, our starting safety, fielding them and getting hurt. Give the kid a chance. Reminds me of Bush; doesn't have the exact same speed, but his style is very alike.

I think the plan they have is to let Wilson and McKnight grow into the PR and KR duties respectively at some point this season. I like the way Brad Smith gains yardage returning kicks, but he is such a valuable wildcard on offense that I'd rather he didn't get his knee folded back by a 4th string TE on a garbage time return.

Rex had mentioned either during Hard Knocks or in a presser how much he wanted McKnight to go for it on returns. Now Rex is talking excitedly about McKnight in today's presser. I think he's getting his shit together on STs.

[Cman55]

So Kyle Wilson may end up losing his starting spot and his part time punt returning role. Tough week.

Maybe the kid will learn how to turn around when the ball is inbound now after sitting for a minute or two..It helped with Greene's fumbling problem.

[kinghenry89]

Why doesn't McKnight field punts or kickoffs? At least punts; I don't want Leonhard, our starting safety, fielding them and getting hurt. Give the kid a chance. Reminds me of Bush; doesn't have the exact same speed, but his style is very alike.
Smith has the kickoff job locked down, and McKnight hasn't shown that he can hold onto the ball consistently enough to let him return punts. It's in his future, but TC and the preseason were any indication he's not ready yet.

I'm in the mood to write:

Leon had 1 attempt on sunday. One. Zero yards.

Leon has not caught a pass out of the backfield, something he was pretty good at.

So Jones-Drew money for this KO returner? Yeah, no. I think I'll trade him for John Conner and be set for the next decade and a half. Good trade.

3rd string to Justin Forsett and Julius Jones. Washington now sits behind the brother of Thomas Jones.

Jones-Drew money? Really Alvin? Alvin Keels is a pair of clown shoes.

Great fucking trade Tanny.

Let me go dig up another thread and post this in it.

Leon was perfectly deserving of a big contract before he broke his leg--I don't think that the Jets could've fit him under their payroll, but somebody could have and would have. After the injury, however, his value pretty much reset to zero.

Anyone whining about the Washington trade really needs to sit back and ask themselves one important question: how do you think the Jets would've been able to get Revis, Mangold and Ferguson under contract with Washington and his wife crying about being underpaid and mistreated by the organization?

[CatoTheElder]

Smith has the kickoff job locked down, and McKnight hasn't shown that he can hold onto the ball consistently enough to let him return punts. It's in his future, but TC and the preseason were any indication he's not ready yet.

The CS has seen a lot of Joe McKnight since TC and preseason. We have seen none of Joe McKnight since TC and preseason.. If Rex and the CS think he's ready, then I'll assume so until he proves otherwise.

[nyjunc]

If either Greene or Tomlinson were to get injured and had to sit out a game, then McKnight would be activated for that game.
You wrote that the team would be in big trouble if Greene or Tomlinson got injured. The team would be in some sort of trouble, but I'm not sure it would
be big trouble. Maybe McKnight would step in and play well. I don't like what I saw from him in preseason, but sometimes the light comes on for a player at a weird time.

I hope he'd step in and play well. Believe, I WANT to be wrong about this entire situation, Leon's gone and we have McKnight so we cannot undo what happened this offseason. I was just really disappointed in Mcknight but that doesn't mean I have given up on him or that he will never be a contributor.

Where the hell would Leon fit in the rotation? He's averaging 2.7 ypc, and has 2 KR TDs. Good for him, but Shonn Greene and LT are both outperforming him in the running game, so I'm not exactly sure how Leon would help us other than the possibility of a couple of return TDs. And that's far from guaranteed.

Joe McKnight has done dick for us so far because he isn't expected to do dick for us yet. We're much stronger at RB than we were when Leon was a rookie. If Greene or LT gets hurt and McKnight comes in and averages more than 2.7 ypc then he'll already have outplayed Leon.

The point is that your entire position on the matter depends on IFs. Big, huge, gargantuan IFs. You're arguing about a Kick Returner, and what would have been a 3rd string RB. Are you seriously so deprived in life that you have to spend hours upon hours arguing about this?

Get a life.

Someone needs to teach you about this game, our season is not dependant upon the first 3 games of the year. There will be times this year that we lose a game where one play froma playmaker like Leon could make the difference. We'll never know if things turn out differently now that he is gone but based on everything he has done and is continuing to do it's pretty evident he could have been a major factor for us at some point this year.

Grow up and stop w/ the childish.

One thing about Leon that I noticed by watching the 2nd half of the Seattle/Chargers game (my friend has the NFL package, and he had money on it):

Leon doesn't look like he's running the same way. Something looks different. His cuts aren't razor sharp, and he seems to run with a little more power than quickness. I can imagine this is from the injury (duh).

I can imagine that's why he has 2.6 YPC. He's not the same guy. His 2 KO returns? Horrible coverage on the Chargers part. Leon still has the breakaway speed, but not the quickness.

What does that mean to me? Well, it means he's a Kick Returner, doesn't deserve the money he is asking for, and would be the 3rd RB on the depth chart and see 2 carries a game because of what LT does.

So the Jets saved money by letting him go and didn't lose anything in return. Actually, they gained a FB who looks like he's gunna play 17 years and crack a few ribs of opposing LBs.

It's going to take some time to get back to as close to 100% as possible(and maybe he never gets back close to 100%?), it's amazing he is where he is now but people are focusing too much on the YPC when he only has 11 carries.

What if Schottenheimer called a pass play that asked Sanchez to look more than 7 yards downfield?

What if Rex died on the sidelines and the team rallied to honor his memory?

What if a SWAT team stormed the field and dragged Joe Flacco out in the middle of a play on human trafficking charges?

This is a fun game!

Another poster trying to be funny and failing b/c they didn't follow the entire discussion.


I can't wait for the day this thread is bump worthy, because I assure you it will be bumped if that happens.

That's b/c you need attention. If I spent any time bumping all the points I was crucified for which I then turned out to be correct I wouldn't have time to do anything else during the day.

On that point, I never said I am giving up on McKnight or that he will suck- so far he's shown us nothing and I concerned. I hope he turns out to be great but I can't say I'm feeling confident at this point and anyone who is feeling confident it just being hopeful.

I'm in the mood to write:

Leon had 1 attempt on sunday. One. Zero yards.

Leon has not caught a pass out of the backfield, something he was pretty good at.

So Jones-Drew money for this KO returner? Yeah, no. I think I'll trade him for John Conner and be set for the next decade and a half. Good trade.

3rd string to Justin Forsett and Julius Jones. Washington now sits behind the brother of Thomas Jones.

Jones-Drew money? Really Alvin? Alvin Keels is a pair of clown shoes.

Great fucking trade Tanny.

Let me go dig up another thread and post this in it.

Where do you guys get this Jones-Drew money BS? If he was back w/ us he wasn't getting Jones-Drew money.

Clearly junc doesn't care about any of these points that we've made. His only interest is arguing in circles. That's what he does. That's his shtick.

Wait until Rhodes has a two pick game, and he'll educate us all on what an idiot Tanny was for trading that nancy.

Or if Hightower rushes for 120 yards and he blows chuncks over Faneca.

And if somehow Mangini manages to take his team to 8-8, we'll be blessed with his analysis of how Mangini would coach this talent better than Ryan.

If you spent half the time you spend discussing me trying to learn the game you might actually be able to intelligently discuss this game.

The difference btw posters like you and me(other than the huge gap in football knowledge) is that I give my opinions BEFORE things have happened. I was against the leon trade day 1, I didn't support then all of sudden say it sucked b/c of what he did last week.

In the offseason we discussed many of our moves:

I hated the Leon move and RIGHT NOW I look to be correct

I hated the Faneca move and RIGHT NOW I look to be correct

I was fine w/ Rhodes

I didn't want to lose Jones but I was fine w/ LT coming in to replace him

I hated the Feely move and RIGHT NOW it looks like I was wrong as Folk has been near perfect.

When you actually have opinions of your own sometimes they turn out to be true and sometiomes they don't- actually w/ me most of the time they turn out to be true.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

That's b/c you need attention. If I spent any time bumping all the points I was crucified for which I then turned out to be correct I wouldn't have time to do anything else during the day.


I need attention because I want to see this thread bumped when it is proven to be a miserable fail? What logic is there in that junc?

You do have one thing right though, someone in this thread is dying for attention.

[nyjunc]

I need attention because I want to see this thread bumped when it is proven to be a miserable fail? What logic is there in that junc?

You do have one thing right though, someone in this thread is dying for attention.

WSW? TommieGreen? who else?

I hope it does get bumped up, I hope McKnight is great. he's hown us nothing to believe that but I hope it happens.

[Hobbes3259]

I need attention because I want to see this thread bumped when it is proven to be a miserable fail? What logic is there in that junc?

You do have one thing right though, someone in this thread is dying for attention.

WSW...the thread is almost 500 posts long and has all the usual characters...

You can hardly call it fail.

We arguing about a 3rd string RB, that hasn't seen the field all season.

We've lost Revis, Pace and Jenkins...yet this is the topic...

How great must things be in Jet land for this to be the Conversation.

So full of Win.

[LoyalJetsFan]

Joe McFumble can stay inactive...

[JfaulkNYJ]

I hated the Leon move and RIGHT NOW I look to be correct

I hated the Faneca move and RIGHT NOW I look to be correct

I hated the Feely move and RIGHT NOW it looks like I was wrong as Folk has been near perfect.
.
You hated the Leon move? Did you expect Leon Washington to play well this season after that injury? Are you mad he had one more year on his contract, and we got rid of him for somebody with high potential? You wanted the Jets to deal with Alvin Keels?

You hated the Faneca move? Okay he is a better player than Slauson right now I guess..

But why keep a dude who wasnt really good last year, and pretty much just a name. Why keep a guy too late..when you know he is going to be even shitter than last year?

BUT now we are getting Slauson game reps, and developing him into a good player.. Would you rather wait to develop Slauson? No.. I wouldn't. He is obviously going to get better as the season goes on, and look we are 2-1, and about to be 3-1. If Faneca was here I think the Jets would of had the same exact record.

Jay Feely is a kicker.. He made tackles too.. Awesome.

We got one of the best pass rushing defensive ends in the NFL for him. Yes Jason Taylor is not what he was, but look Calvin Pace went down.. What would we have done? Jason Taylor is a faggot, but he is a leader, and maybe he can make Vernon Gholston do something.


I hope Joe McKnight plays on Sunday.

[nyjunc]

You hated the Leon move? Did you expect Leon Washington to play well this season after that injury? Are you mad he had one more year on his contract, and we got rid of him for somebody with high potential? You wanted the Jets to deal with Alvin Keels?

You hated the Faneca move? Okay he is a better player than Slauson right now I guess..

But why keep a dude who wasnt really good last year, and pretty much just a name. Why keep a guy too late..when you know he is going to be even shitter than last year?

BUT now we are getting Slauson game reps, and developing him into a good player.. Would you rather wait to develop Slauson? No.. I wouldn't. He is obviously going to get better as the season goes on, and look we are 2-1, and about to be 3-1. If Faneca was here I think the Jets would of had the same exact record.

Jay Feely is a kicker.. He made tackles too.. Awesome.

We got one of the best pass rushing defensive ends in the NFL for him. Yes Jason Taylor is not what he was, but look Calvin Pace went down.. What would we have done? Jason Taylor is a faggot, but he is a leader, and maybe he can make Vernon Gholston do something.


I hope Joe McKnight plays on Sunday.

I knew what Leon meant to us, by the sounds of it he was recovering well and I hated the move. I hated giving him away for nothing.

I would have been ok letting faneca go if we KNEW we had a replacement, we hoped we did and so far it's not looking but hopefully Slauson gets better.

Jay Feeley was the best K we ever had.

Jason taylor is not a leader, jason has been playing well but if we didn't get him we would have had an Adalius Thomas in here and we'd be doing as well.


I hope when McKnight does play he is ready and contributes.

[624]

I knew what Leon meant to us, by the sounds of it he was recovering well and I hated the move. I hated giving him away for nothing.

I would have been ok letting faneca go if we KNEW we had a replacement, we hoped we did and so far it's not looking but hopefully Slauson gets better.

Jay Feeley was the best K we ever had.

Jason taylor is not a leader, jason has been playing well but if we didn't get him we would have had an Adalius Thomas in here and we'd be doing as well.


I hope when McKnight does play he is ready and contributes.

We didn't give Leon away for nothing, we have a young FB who looks great so far, and has tons of potential. This is huge on our ground and pound team.

I'm sure Bill Callahan and company knew what they were doing when they let go Faneca. Slauson has had a couple bad plays, but overall he has been solid. Faneca is old, expensive, a pathetic pass blocker, and has looked terrible in Arizona.

I'm not old enough to have too much knowledge on this subject, but Jay Feely can't be the "best kicker we've ever had" after being here such a short time and missing in the playoffs.

[ace_o_spades]

Jason taylor is not a leader, jason has been playing well but if we didn't get him we would have had an Adalius Thomas in here and we'd be doing as well.


Would we?

filler

[WhiteShoeWillis]

Our offense has looked fantastic the past 2 weeks, I don't think we're missing these guys too much. Oh and next week we had another serious threat.

I think the FO did just fine.

[........]

I knew what Leon meant to us, by the sounds of it he was recovering well and I hated the move. I hated giving him away for nothing.

I would have been ok letting faneca go if we KNEW we had a replacement, we hoped we did and so far it's not looking but hopefully Slauson gets better.

Jay Feeley was the best K we ever had.

Jason taylor is not a leader, jason has been playing well but if we didn't get him we would have had an Adalius Thomas in here and we'd be doing as well.


I hope when McKnight does play he is ready and contributes.

Do me a favor. Before you keep using the "gave him away for nothing" argument, address my question and tell me how YOU would have gotten Conner without giving up Leon.

[Quikjay]

Hey guys. I'm not a true jets fan, I just root for them because I'm a LT fan. But what is it about Joe McKnight that many of you don't have confidence in him. He was pretty good at USC.

[nyjunc]

We didn't give Leon away for nothing, we have a young FB who looks great so far, and has tons of potential. This is huge on our ground and pound team.

I'm sure Bill Callahan and company knew what they were doing when they let go Faneca. Slauson has had a couple bad plays, but overall he has been solid. Faneca is old, expensive, a pathetic pass blocker, and has looked terrible in Arizona.

I'm not old enough to have too much knowledge on this subject, but Jay Feely can't be the "best kicker we've ever had" after being here such a short time and missing in the playoffs.

We gave him away for nothing, we could have gotten a 5th rd pick easily w/o sacrificing leon.

Do you guys really think every move the Jets make is a good one?

Do me a favor. Before you keep using the "gave him away for nothing" argument, address my question and tell me how YOU would have gotten Conner without giving up Leon.

I don't have the draft value chart handy but it would have been easy to get a 5th rd pick especially the way we give away picks and AGAIN had we held onto our 4th we could have dropped down and picked up another pick.

We'll see how this plays out, it's too early o evalutae it. we may not know for years but as of today it was a bad move.

[ace_o_spades]

Hey guys. I'm not a true jets fan, I just root for them because I'm a LT fan. But what is it about Joe McKnight that many of you don't have confidence in him. He was pretty good at USC.

Puked at minicamp. Failed his first conditioning test at training camp. Averaged like 2 ypc in the preseason. Lost a couple fumbles.

He did a nice job returning punts tho

[624]

We gave him away for nothing, we could have gotten a 5th rd pick easily w/o sacrificing leon.

Do you guys really think every move the Jets make is a good one?


This makes absolutely no fucking sense.


Just because we could have traded something else for a 5th, means we got nothing for the trade?

WE GOT A 5TH ROUND PICK

5th Round pick =/= Nothing
Nothing = Nothing


Sure we could have gotten a 5th round pick another way, but we would have had to give something else up.




If we trade Dustin Keller for a 2nd round pick, did we get nothing due to the fact that we also could have traded Sanchez for a 2nd round pick if we wanted too?

[Mr Electric]

I'm not a true jets fan

GTFO or teabag a bear trap.

[TommyGreen]

We'll see how this plays out, it's too early o evalutae it. we may not know for years but as of today it was a bad move.

This is why you're insane.

You go on and on about what a bad move trading Leon was, then conclude that it's too early to tell. Your previous points make zero sense now that you've admitted that.

You said that it's not what Leon would have done up to this point, but what he could potentially do if Greene or Tomlinson got injured. How exactly can trading Leon be considered a bad move NOW when that scenario hasn't happened?

[WhiteShoeWillis]

It's impossible to take someone seriously when they spin so much they actually try to spin a cold hard fact into something else.

WE GOT NOTHING
no, we got a 5th round pick
WE GOT NOTHING - WE COULD HAVE GOT A 5th ROUND PICK ANOTHER WAY
But we still got a 5th round pick.
WE GOT NOTHING

derpity derp derp

[........]

I don't have the draft value chart handy but it would have been easy to get a 5th rd pick especially the way we give away picks and AGAIN had we held onto our 4th we could have dropped down and picked up another pick.

We'll see how this plays out, it's too early o evalutae it. we may not know for years but as of today it was a bad move.

Well, the 4th rounder we moved up from was 124. We took Conner at 139. That's a difference of 10 points, or a 7th rounder. So, we would then have a 5th, 6th, and 2 7ths. The problem is, the player we took in the 4th was a RB (and one we valued higher than a 4th rounder, hence the move up to snag him). Supposing we rolled the dice on Leon and his ONE season that he was going to be a Jet (again, you can't dispute that without moving into the realm of fantasy and baseless assumption while I have his own words behind me), we'd STILL be looking for a future replacement at RB. The trouble there is that only ONE RB was taken behind our 6th round spot: Charles Scott of LSU. We miss out on someone with incredibly high potential in order to squeeze one year out of Leon in which he (according to even your own estimates) contributes 80 touches and a marginal improvement to our KOR.

It's so fucking ludicrous to suggest that we got nothing out of this. Even if McKnight turns out to be a huge bust, we lost VERY little in real production. I still believe McKnight will succeed, and if he scratches his potential, he'll contribute so much more for us than Leon did. And that's coming from someone with a Leon authentic hanging in the closet.

[Quikjay]

Well hopefully he works out. I think LT has only a few good years left and the jets will need a versatile running back to compliment Greene

[nyjunc]

This is why you're insane.

You go on and on about what a bad move trading Leon was, then conclude that it's too early to tell. Your previous points make zero sense now that you've admitted that.

You said that it's not what Leon would have done up to this point, but what he could potentially do if Greene or Tomlinson got injured. How exactly can trading Leon be considered a bad move NOW when that scenario hasn't happened?

This where YOU are insane and cannot read. I have said all along I was against the move, that doesn't make me correct. SO FAR it looks like I am w/ getting nothing out of McKnight while Leon has alread won a game for Seattle but that does not mean long term this was the best move. It all depends on how well McKnight does.

It's impossible to take someone seriously when they spin so much they actually try to spin a cold hard fact into something else.

WE GOT NOTHING
no, we got a 5th round pick
WE GOT NOTHING - WE COULD HAVE GOT A 5th ROUND PICK ANOTHER WAY
But we still got a 5th round pick.
WE GOT NOTHING

derpity derp derp

A 5th rd pick is nothing for the teams best playaker of the previous 4 years. We went from talking about getting a 2nd rd pick for him when FA began to ultimately settling for a 5th rd pick. At that rate we would have been better holding on to him then throwing him away for essentially nothing. it's not hard to acquire 5th rd picks.

[624]

A 5th rd pick is nothing for the teams best playaker of the previous 4 years. We went from talking about getting a 2nd rd pick for him when FA began to ultimately settling for a 5th rd pick. At that rate we would have been better holding on to him then throwing him away for essentially nothing. it's not hard to acquire 5th rd picks.

Yes WE were talking about a 2nd round pick. Us fans were talking about a 2nd round pick, that doesn't mean that it was a realistic opportunity they had.


After week 5 tell me if a 5th round pick is nothing....

[TommyGreen]

This where YOU are insane and cannot read. I have said all along I was against the move, that doesn't make me correct. SO FAR it looks like I am w/ getting nothing out of McKnight while Leon has alread won a game for Seattle but that does not mean long term this was the best move. It all depends on how well McKnight does.

Then why the fuck are you arguing about this now? You admit that you have no idea whether or not this was a bad move, yet you keep arguing that it was.

You just proved my point earlier that all you want to do is argue about nonsense. You get a rise out of it.

[JfaulkNYJ]

I knew what Leon meant to us, by the sounds of it he was recovering well and I hated the move. I hated giving him away for nothing.

I would have been ok letting faneca go if we KNEW we had a replacement, we hoped we did and so far it's not looking but hopefully Slauson gets better.

Jay Feeley was the best K we ever had.

Jason taylor is not a leader, jason has been playing well but if we didn't get him we would have had an Adalius Thomas in here and we'd be doing as well.


I hope when McKnight does play he is ready and contributes.

I dunno I trust Callahan.

We DO have a replacement.... And he isn't playing bad. He is getting better. I dunno where you come off saying Slauson is shit.

If Jay Feely is the best kicker we ever had..then the Jets kickers have all sucked in the past.

Jay Feely is a fuckin douche bag anyway. I used to like him, and think he was a cool guy.

After I saw this I'm happy for this reason alone he is fucking gone.

Jay Feely

The broadcast is dead on with the fake injury thing. Jets often tell a guy on Kickoff to fake an injury to give the Def a breather
Good day to be an ex Jet Leon Washington 2 Td returns Thomas Jones Td Woodhead Td
What a snitch/bitter piece of shit.

I'm pretty sure Jason Taylor is a leader by the way. Plus the players seem pretty happy he is here.

[Green Lantern]

Hey guys. I'm not a true jets fan, I just root for them because I'm a LT fan. But what is it about Joe McKnight that many of you don't have confidence in him. He was pretty good at USC.

He's got fumbilitis and he trips over his own feet. He can't create a hole, and he can't make cuts when the hole closes.
In the open field, he seems okay though.

My initial argument came from the Philly game. I assumed it was his last chance to shine before he got shelved in the cupboard for the winter, and he did less-than-nothing with an opportunity to leave us feeling optimistic about his role in the future. I assumed he would simply be starting from scratch next offseason. He looked below average for a guy who had so many people raving about his skills and potential in April.

My last impression is what I wrote when I started this thread. And now he's moving up the depth chart into the promised land...based on what exactly? His invisible potential or his draft position?
With Woodhead and Washington, at least they showed signs of hope in the preseason that they might actually make something happen out of nothing in a regular season game. They weren't perfect, but they showed something.
To me, those guys were steals and we're clinging to someone who was a steal at the time of the draft...6 months ago.

Having said all of this...I have more faith in Rex Ryan than I do in our country so if Rex says it's going to be alright, I can sleep well at night.
And I would really like to make a sincere apology to McHype...someday in the future. I hope I have the chance to say "I was wrong" over and over again.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

A 5th rd pick is nothing for the teams best playaker of the previous 4 years. We went from talking about getting a 2nd rd pick for him when FA began to ultimately settling for a 5th rd pick. At that rate we would have been better holding on to him then throwing him away for essentially nothing. it's not hard to acquire 5th rd picks.

If I remember correctly, most knowledgeable people on this site knew damn well no team was going to sign an offer sheet for the 2nd round tender Tanny put on Leon.

[ukilledkenny]

If I remember correctly, most knowledgeable people on this site knew damn well no team was going to sign an offer sheet for the 2nd round tender Tanny put on Leon.

Even if everybody on this board thought we could get a second for Leon it wouldn't matter. We just speculate on other people's speculations. In hindsight it's pretty easy to see getting a second for Leon was never going to happen.

[nyjunc]

Then why the fuck are you arguing about this now? You admit that you have no idea whether or not this was a bad move, yet you keep arguing that it was.

You just proved my point earlier that all you want to do is argue about nonsense. You get a rise out of it.

Fopr you guys you will back everything the Jets do, if they cut Sanchez you guys would make excuses why it was a good move. I am not like that. I have said all along I didn't like the move but I HOPE I am wrong. We'll see.

Do you think w/ our team coming off a great win I wanted to talk about leon and McKnight all week? of course not but I'm going to give my opinions and when others come at me I'll go back at them. This is fun, you went a little overboard w/ all the attacks. There wasn't a need for that.

I dunno I trust Callahan.

We DO have a replacement.... And he isn't playing bad. He is getting better. I dunno where you come off saying Slauson is shit.

If Jay Feely is the best kicker we ever had..then the Jets kickers have all sucked in the past.

Jay Feely is a fuckin douche bag anyway. I used to like him, and think he was a cool guy.

After I saw this I'm happy for this reason alone he is fucking gone.

Jay Feely

What a snitch/bitter piece of shit.

I'm pretty sure Jason Taylor is a leader by the way. Plus the players seem pretty happy he is here.

How do you know Callahan was in favor of the move? Callahan is not the GM, they consult him but he's not making the decision.

Slauson has been pretty bad, not only is he getting beat consistently but he's also committing penatlies at an alarming rate as well. Does that mean he will be a terrible player? Nope but RIGHT now he's not playing well.


We haven't had many good Kickers in the past and Jay was the best I have seen. I wasn't around for Jim Turner but jay was better than leahy, Lowery, Hall, Brien, Nugent.

If I remember correctly, most knowledgeable people on this site knew damn well no team was going to sign an offer sheet for the 2nd round tender Tanny put on Leon.

Probably not but that doesn't man we should just get rid of him for a low rd pick.

[........]

Slauson has been pretty bad, not only is he getting beat consistently but he's also committing penatlies at an alarming rate as well. Does that mean he will be a terrible player? Nope but RIGHT now he's not playing well.

Why are you trying to destroy all of your credibility? Getting beat isn't Slauson's central problem, nor is it happening consistently. You should really go to the Slauson thread where we've been discussing him. You might learn something so you'll eventually be able to contribute to the conversation.

[Hobbes3259]

What a snitch/bitter piece of shit.

I'm pretty sure Jason Taylor is a leader by the way. Plus the players seem pretty happy he is here.

I'm glad he said it.

Shanadouche does the same thing.

The rule needs to change.

When a player goes down, he needs to come out till the next series of the team that player is on.

(e.g. on ST on offensive player will not come back till the 2nd offensive series after the ST play. On defense, that player is out till after the opposition's defense plays...ETC...)

[Hobbes3259]

How do you know Callahan was in favor of the move? Callahan is not the GM, they consult him but he's not making the decision.

Slauson has been pretty bad, not only is he getting beat consistently but he's also committing penatlies at an alarming rate as well. .

Ummmm...while not a probowler, Slauson has been kicking ass.

He's about three or four coaching points from effectively replacing one of the best guards to play in the game recently.

[WhiteShoeWillis]

I'm glad he said it.

Shanadouche does the same thing.

The rule needs to change.

When a player goes down, he needs to come out till the next series of the team that player is on.

(e.g. on ST on offensive player will not come back till the 2nd offensive series after the ST play. On defense, that player is out till after the opposition's defense plays...ETC...)

That would be a pretty shitty rule change IMO. Guys legitimately get banged up for 2-3 plays all the time. Now you want to make it so they have to miss entire drives before coming back in?

[nyjunc]

Why are you trying to destroy all of your credibility? Getting beat isn't Slauson's central problem, nor is it happening consistently. You should really go to the Slauson thread where we've been discussing him. You might learn something so you'll eventually be able to contribute to the conversation.

He hasn't been getting beat consistently amont his other problems? Have you had a chance to watch the coaches film and grade the OL? why don't you guys let me know when you are doing that, I figured you had no time grading all the college prospects.

Ummmm...while not a probowler, Slauson has been kicking ass.

He's about three or four coaching points from effectively replacing one of the best guards to play in the game recently.

getting his ass kicked but not kicking ass.

[J.E.T. Tone Holmes]

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Since Joe McKnight's third fumble of the preseason -- it was returned for a touchdown by the Eagles in the final exhibition game -- coach Rex Ryan didn't trust the rookie running back enough to make him active on game day.

But after weeks spent on the scout team, there's a chance McKnight could make his regular-season debut this week at Buffalo.

"He's really coming," Ryan said today. "There's no doubt he's coming. He may be active this week."

Ryan said McKnight was one of two players he praised today, the other being defensive lineman Matt Kroul for his work on the scout team. McKnight's roles have included mimicking the Wildcat formation in last week's preparation for the Dolphins.

McKnight would prefer, of course, to make his presence known on game day. He said recently he's doing whatever it takes to be active -- working on all four scout special teams units, and making sure to hold on to the ball in practice. Asked what he feels like he has to show the coaches, McKnight quickly said, “everything.”

“I’m getting a chance; it’s all up to me if I’m showing it,” he said last week. “Show them that I’m dependable and that I can hold onto the ball. That’s my main focus.”

By his own count, McKnight says he has not fumbled in practice since the preseason ended.

The Jets lost two other running backs who had excellent preseasons while holding on to McKnight. They cut Danny Woodhead to bring back receiver David Clowney, and the Patriots then signed Woodhead. This week, the Rams signed Chauncey Washington off the Jets' practice squad.

But Ryan stood by the Jets' decision to hang on to McKnight, their fourth-round pick.

"I think he's a talent," Ryan said. "I think he's got that kind of ability. Obviously I never trusted him to make him active initially because of the fumbling, but as far as talent, I think he's got more talent than a lot of guys we probably already talked about. It's just a matter of him doing it."

[........]

He hasn't been getting beat consistently amont his other problems? Have you had a chance to watch the coaches film and grade the OL? why don't you guys let me know when you are doing that, I figured you had no time grading all the college prospects.



getting his ass kicked but not kicking ass.

Haha. There's a thread about him against the Dolphins on the main page. There was one last week about him too, from ThunderbirdJet. I don't grade college prospects other than the games I watch anyway. I wait until some of the college experts start recommending players, then I try to find video.

[NDmick]

Where do you guys get this Jones-Drew money BS? If he was back w/ us he wasn't getting Jones-Drew money.

.

So you didn't follow the Alvin Keels bullshit?

[nyjunc]

Haha. There's a thread about him against the Dolphins on the main page. There was one last week about him too, from ThunderbirdJet. I don't grade college prospects other than the games I watch anyway. I wait until some of the college experts start recommending players, then I try to find video.

Wouldn't you say Slauson is struggling a bit?

[nyjunc]

So you didn't follow the Alvin Keels bullshit?

What a player asks for does not mean that is what they will get, he wasn't getting that money before he got hurt and he certainly wasn't getting it after the injury.

[NDmick]

What a player asks for does not mean that is what they will get, he wasn't getting that money before he got hurt and he certainly wasn't getting it after the injury.
I'm glad we agree. Now you know one of the reasons why he was let go.