Duke

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

Duke is down early. To GA TECH, 17-10.

Where is Redick? And what happened to the calls that goes right for Duke?:rofl: :smile:

[Penny2Moss]

I like how they mentioned at the beginning of the game that Duke went to the line 4th most in the ACC last year behind GT, Wake, and UNC......good thing Duke gets all the calls

[wildthing2022000]

That's it talk now so you look stupid.:rofl:

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

Do I look stupid now?

Duke sucks! 47-36 Ramblin' Wreck!

[Theo Huxtable]

Do I look stupid now?

Duke sucks! 47-36 Ramblin' Wreck!

Stop don't jinx them. If Georgia Tech loses im blaming you. And to them getting all the calls that only happended in one game and the refs were forced to apologise, but Duke would have lost that game if it werent for the refs.:mad:

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

How am I jinxing GT? By saying to a dookie fan, do I look stupid now?

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

J.J. Redick is ICE COLD! He can't buy a shot right now!

[Penny2Moss]

Redick must be thinking too much tonight about the record at first, now just making a shot

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

GT choked away the 11 point lead to make Duke lead by 2.

GT stinks!

[Penny2Moss]

well might be a little premature but he can get hot as quick as anyone

[wildthing2022000]

Do I look stupid now?

Duke sucks! 47-36 Ramblin' Wreck!

How should I say this? Yes you do look stupid even with Reddick's worst game of the year, Duke still managed to win.:rofl2:

[nyjunc]

I like how they mentioned at the beginning of the game that Duke went to the line 4th most in the ACC last year behind GT, Wake, and UNC......good thing Duke gets all the calls

Duke is a 3 POINT SHOOTING TEAM! the fact that they go to the FT line so much is a joke and they should have at least 2-3 more losses including tonight if not for poor officiating in their favor. Every time JJ is breathed on he goes to the line, Wiolliams throws a guy into the 3rd row and it's a tie up, McRoberts knocks a guy down then jumps on hima nd it's a tie up. It was just typical duke BS.

JJ looked like he was getting into NCAA form w/ his performance tonight:lol:

[Theo Huxtable]

Goddamn why did you have to jinx them!

[nyjunc]

How should I say this? Yes you do look stupid even with Reddick's worst game of the year, Duke still managed to win.:rofl2:

the 15 more FT attempts sure didn't hurt you.

[SadlyAJetsFan]

Duke pulls out the win baby! Unbeaten in conference play here we come!

[wildthing2022000]

the 15 more FT attempts sure didn't hurt you.

Well figuring GT liked to foul Duke in the last 3 minutes I'd say that's even.

[nyjunc]

Well figuring GT liked to foul Duke in the last 3 minutes I'd say that's even.

yeah it was even, tech took 4 3's while duke took 12 yet duke goes to the line 15 more times.

[wildthing2022000]

yeah it was even, tech took 4 3's while duke took 12 yet duke goes to the line 15 more times.

Maybe taking 40 jumpers doesn't help in getting to the line.

[nyjunc]

Maybe taking 40 jumpers doesn't help in getting to the line.

It always seems to help duke get to the line.

[nyjunc]

More importantly the heels are up 12 at NC State w/ 2 1/2 to play in the 1st half. A win and the Heels are tied for 2nd place, not bad for a team that lost it's top 7 players 4 of them early.

[wildthing2022000]

It always seems to help duke get to the line.

You must watch basketball right? Do you ever notice what happens when the team who is winning by less than 10 has the ball late in the game? They get fouled and sent to the line to shoot free throws. This happened to Duke 7 times in the last 3+ minutes of the game where they shot 14 of their 25 FTs. Before that Duke had a 1 FT advantage. I'm sick of you making up this BS about the FT advantage, yes there are some games where Duke gets more FT attempts but most of the time the larger advantages comes from the hack-a-shaq strategy that every team employs when trailing late in games. You don't see me complaining when UNC got 5 more FT attempts than Duke figuring Duke was leading late in the game.

[nyjunc]

You must watch basketball right? Do you ever notice what happens when the team who is winning by less than 10 has the ball late in the game? They get fouled and sent to the line to shoot free throws. This happened to Duke 7 times in the last 3+ minutes of the game where they shot 14 of their 25 FTs. Before that Duke had a 1 FT advantage. I'm sick of you making up this BS about the FT advantage, yes there are some games where Duke gets more FT attempts but most of the time the larger advantages comes from the hack-a-shaq strategy that every team employs when trailing late in games. You don't see me complaining when UNC got 5 more FT attempts than Duke figuring Duke was leading late in the game.

That may have been the case somewhat tongiht but it's not always the case, the FT disparity has been a joke when duke is allowed to mug opponents and doesn't get called yet the slightest touch against a duke player sends them to the line. How on earth was it a tie up when McRoberts sent the Tech player to the floor? How on earth was it a tie up when Williams knocked the tech player into the 3rd row? Tech players get called for coming w/in a foot of duke yet duke has 2 obvious big time fouls and they are called jump balls. if you can't see duke gets the majority of calls you are just blind.

[Cellar-door]

Stop don't jinx them. If Georgia Tech loses im blaming you. And to them getting all the calls that only happended in one game and the refs were forced to apologise, but Duke would have lost that game if it werent for the refs.:mad:
actually it happedned in back to back games, it happened in the BC game too

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

If Georgia Tech loses im blaming you.
GT lost! Don't balme me. I didn't play the game. The players did.:mad:

[nyjunc]

The Heels crushed NC State and are now tied in the L column for 2nd place in the ACC. Assuming the Heels go 2-1 in the reg season then win a game or 2 in the ACC Tourney we could be looking at a 3 or 4 seed.

[Green Hurricane]

Do I look stupid now?

Duke sucks! 47-36 Ramblin' Wreck!
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[wildthing2022000]

lost in all the whining
Duke is the 2005-06 ACC Regular Season Champions

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

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That's right. UNC is going to hammer Duke in CIS or in the ACC or NCAA tourney.

[ViLmAfAn5128]

Dick Sucks, I Mean Duke, Go North Carolina, And You Cant Say Anything We Won The National Championship Last Year.

[asbcheeks]

That may have been the case somewhat tongiht but it's not always the case, the FT disparity has been a joke when duke is allowed to mug opponents and doesn't get called yet the slightest touch against a duke player sends them to the line. How on earth was it a tie up when McRoberts sent the Tech player to the floor? How on earth was it a tie up when Williams knocked the tech player into the 3rd row? Tech players get called for coming w/in a foot of duke yet duke has 2 obvious big time fouls and they are called jump balls. if you can't see duke gets the majority of calls you are just blind.

As was mentioned last night during the Duke-Tech broadcast, Duke was 4th in the ACC last year in total FTs, behind 3 other very good teams including their powder-blue rivals down the road. Did Duke just miss a few payments to the ACC ref slush fund last year?

I must be really blind, because during the first half last night I was furious with the officiating, believing that Duke was getting screwed on foul calls (Paulus was getting mugged the whole game, I guess they put the whistle away for frosh PGs). Is it so hard to understand that everyone's perceptions of the reffing are influenced by who you are cheering for, and that the anti-Duke conspiracy theory crowd makes so much noise because, well, most of the country despises Duke? Duke lagged behind Tech in free throws all night until the end of the game when Tech had to foul.

PS In the interest of full disclosure, based on the precedent set by nyjunc a few weeks ago, I'd like to let the CBB fans on the board know that I'm leaving Saturday for a week's vacation. However, unlike junc, I plan my vacations around the big games of my favorite CBB team :grin: , and will be returning on Friday night. So basically, I won't be around to trashtalk (or as is more often the case on this board, defend outrageous, nonsensical conspiratorial accusations aimed at Duke) leading up to the game, but I'll be here afterwards to gloat about yet another season sweep of the Heels.

[nyjunc]

As was mentioned last night during the Duke-Tech broadcast, Duke was 4th in the ACC last year in total FTs, behind 3 other very good teams including their powder-blue rivals down the road. Did Duke just miss a few payments to the ACC ref slush fund last year?


carolina was an inside out team, duke is a perimeter team. of course we should have been fouled more.

PS In the interest of full disclosure, based on the precedent set by nyjunc a few weeks ago, I'd like to let the CBB fans on the board know that I'm leaving Saturday for a week's vacation. However, unlike junc, I plan my vacations around the big games of my favorite CBB team , and will be returning on Friday night. So basically, I won't be around to trashtalk (or as is more often the case on this board, defend outrageous, nonsensical conspiratorial accusations aimed at Duke) leading up to the game, but I'll be here afterwards to gloat about yet another season sweep of the Heels.


congrats you can beat a team that lost it's top 7 players. Enjoy it b/c we'll be doing the sweeping next year and our next title will come before yours. It was nice to seee JJ in his March form last night:grin:

[asbcheeks]

carolina was an inside out team, duke is a perimeter team. of course we should have been fouled more.

Just so we are clear, you truly believe that Duke gets conscious assistance from the refs? Care to speculate on the reason behind the refs' Duke love? Are they being paid behind the scenes? Is it passed down from commish Swofford (former UNC AD) because it benefits the conference to have Duke succeed? Is it just that they are so intimidated by the foul-mouthed greatness of K? I've always heard how Duke gets the calls, but I've never heard a sound hypothesis for a MOTIVE.

By the way, do you watch Duke twice a week just so you can pinpoint a few calls to complain about? I do realize it's difficult to miss them cause they are on national TV more than most NBA teams.

Here's an interesting, but very long and indepth, take on Duke and the perception of referee bias from Al Featherston, a longtime ACC hoops writer from NC (don't discredit it just because of the source, its pretty balanced IMO):

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[asbcheeks]

congrats you can beat a team that lost it's top 7 players.

When Duke lost Brand, Maggette, Avery, and Langdon in 1999, they still took the broomsticks to the Heels in 2000. When Duke loses players early, they don't complain, they go out and win the ACC anyway.

[Green Hurricane]

That's right. UNC is going to hammer Duke in CIS or in the ACC or NCAA tourney.
Just like your tremendous support of GT right?

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

Just like your tremendous support of GT right?
So?

Not like GT is my team.:breakdance:

Let's go Carolina! Beat Duke!

[nyjunc]

Just so we are clear, you truly believe that Duke gets conscious assistance from the refs? Care to speculate on the reason behind the refs' Duke love? Are they being paid behind the scenes? Is it passed down from commish Swofford (former UNC AD) because it benefits the conference to have Duke succeed? Is it just that they are so intimidated by the foul-mouthed greatness of K? I've always heard how Duke gets the calls, but I've never heard a sound hypothesis for a MOTIVE.


No I don't think it is anything seedy like that, I think it has to do w/ a)duke's reputation and b) K's intimidation of officials. I think they get the benefit of the doubt in most cases in the ACC and alot of times they don't get it in the Tourney which is another reason I believe why they have struggled the last decade in the Tourney.

Here's an interesting, but very long and indepth, take on Duke and the perception of referee bias from Al Featherston, a longtime ACC hoops writer from NC (don't discredit it just because of the source, its pretty balanced IMO):


The DBR is the most bias piece of garbage on the net and any non-duke fan realizes duke was handed a Nat'l Title in 2001. They shouldn't have won either game.

When Duke lost Brand, Maggette, Avery, and Langdon in 1999, they still took the broomsticks to the Heels in 2000. When Duke loses players early, they don't complain, they go out and win the ACC anyway.


and who wound up in the FF and who wound up as a 1 seed upset in the Sweet 16 again? and we were still in the transition from Dean to Roy. It's not a coinicdence that due started dominating the ACC after Dean retired and the ACC had it's worst stretch of basketball in history. Dean owned K and it will be fun when K retires and you have to choose from dawkins, Wojo, Amaker or Quin:rofl2:

Oh and what you lost in '99 was alot(about time you lost a couple of players early) but it still wasn't 4 guys early and not your top 7. You still had a great player in helmet head to lead your team along w/ a few other guys. We had a couple of role players to lead this team and you have 2 AA Sr's while in '00 we didn't have any of that.

[wildthing2022000]

Just so we are clear, you truly believe that Duke gets conscious assistance from the refs? Care to speculate on the reason behind the refs' Duke love? Are they being paid behind the scenes? Is it passed down from commish Swofford (former UNC AD) because it benefits the conference to have Duke succeed? Is it just that they are so intimidated by the foul-mouthed greatness of K? I've always heard how Duke gets the calls, but I've never heard a sound hypothesis for a MOTIVE.

By the way, do you watch Duke twice a week just so you can pinpoint a few calls to complain about? I do realize it's difficult to miss them cause they are on national TV more than most NBA teams.

Here's an interesting, but very long and indepth, take on Duke and the perception of referee bias from Al Featherston, a longtime ACC hoops writer from NC (don't discredit it just because of the source, its pretty balanced IMO):

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Great article

[nyjunc]

It's almost time for Wildthing to do his annual March disappearing act when duke is eliminated.

[wildthing2022000]

It's almost time for Wildthing to do his annual March disappearing act when duke is eliminated.

Can't argue the article so he goes to insults.

[nyjunc]

Can't argue the article so he goes to insults.

The article is trash just like the website it's published on. The argument for por-duke people is that duke isn't as high up on FT attempts as otther teams but the reality is they are a 3P shooting teama sn should NOT go to the line half as much as they do. Redick can hold and grab on defnese and never get called but come w/in a foot of him on the other end and he's at the FT line. Shelden Williams is getting called alot more this year BUT he should still be getting called more. You won the memphis game b/c Shelden got away w/ about 7 fouls, you won the FSU game b/c they called a tech on FSU after Shelden went nuts and it fouled out Johnson. you were helped in the BC game w/ that terrible call, the 2nd half the other night was a complete joke. How does a team that shoots 4 3's only take 10 FTs while a team that shoots 12 shoots 25? I know about 8 or so came in the last few mins when they were trying to foul but you still had an advantage before that. The refs saw JJ struggling and they just kept putting him on the line when he wasn't touched.

As for you, you bring it upon yourself by disappearing whenever your team loses. You didn't even talk duke basketball after the MSU loss until the next season started and you have admitted you don't watch Red Sox playoff games until there is a potential for a clinching game.

[asbcheeks]

The argument for por-duke people is that duke isn't as high up on FT attempts as otther teams.

That is one argument among many in this column. Care to actually read the thing and object to any of the other evidence Featherston provides, without simply providing one or two anecdotal plays from every close Duke game this season?

PS Featherston is an ACC reporter with no affiliation with Duke other than the fact that DBR asked him to provide guest columns this season after his departure from the Durham Herald Sun, a paper that covers Duke, UNC, and State equally.

What makes DBR trash compared to, say, IC? I think DBR is an above average but fairly typical fan site. I wouldn't link something that one of the DBR posters wrote about this subject, but to disparage Featherston's article just because it appeared on DBR is a little ridiculous.

Seriously, I'd like to be directed to a point Featherston makes that can be legitimately disputed.

[HackettStillSux]

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[nyjunc]

That is one argument among many in this column. Care to actually read the thing and object to any of the other evidence Featherston provides, without simply providing one or two anecdotal plays from every close Duke game this season?

PS Featherston is an ACC reporter with no affiliation with Duke other than the fact that DBR asked him to provide guest columns this season after his departure from the Durham Herald Sun, a paper that covers Duke, UNC, and State equally.

What makes DBR trash compared to, say, IC? I think DBR is an above average but fairly typical fan site. I wouldn't link something that one of the DBR posters wrote about this subject, but to disparage Featherston's article just because it appeared on DBR is a little ridiculous.

Seriously, I'd like to be directed to a point Featherston makes that can be legitimately disputed.

The DBR articles are pure homer, everything is pro-duke and anti-UNC. It's not that way on IC, maybe on the MB's but not in the columns. As much as duke is hated they are respected by Carolina fans and I think duke fans respect Carolina as well but the DBR is 100% pure trash as they rarely have a kind word for the Heels. I think they picked the Heels to finish 4th or 5th in the ACC last year which was laughable.

[wildthing2022000]

The DBR articles are pure homer, everything is pro-duke and anti-UNC. It's not that way on IC, maybe on the MB's but not in the columns. As much as duke is hated they are respected by Carolina fans and I think duke fans respect Carolina as well but the DBR is 100% pure trash as they rarely have a kind word for the Heels. I think they picked the Heels to finish 4th or 5th in the ACC last year which was laughable.

Still haven't read it yet have you?

[nyjunc]

Still haven't read it yet have you?

Still haven't discussed the Mich Stae game, have you?


Yes I read it. It's another duke fluff piece. There are a coueple of decent points but the bottom line is it's quite obvious duke gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the calls. It doesn't happen every game, actually in the first UNC-duke game I thought UNC got away w/ alot in the first half but then it was duke in the 2nd half so it was pretty balanced but in most games duke gets the benefit of the doubt which makes it all the more funny when they whine like they did in '99 against UConn("Take 'em Trajan":lol: ) or the big stiff who almost attacked a ref after the Indiana sweet 16 loss in 2002.

[nyjunc]

Redick is in NCAA Tourney form, following up his 5 for 21 at Tech he comes through w/ 11 pts on 3 of 10 shooting.

Duke wins by 8 and shoots 39 FTs(THIRTY NINE!) to just 10 for Temple. yeah there's no advantage for duke:rofl: