mets 06'

[jdjets]

do the mets have a friggin chance to go anywhere?

will they at least win division?
I hate all yankee fans,they annoy the crap out of me.

so keep it real with your opinions, no were not the yanks so u can get off of a-rods -ick for a sec,ok yank fans.

[lightning]

Hmm well im gonna say they get about 15 wins......maybe

[28rogerblaze51]

Mets are a low level version of the yankees. The nl east sucks bad this year. They will be around .500 or lower.

[Pennythetowelboy]

Mets are a low level version of the yankees. The nl east sucks bad this year. They will be around .500 or lower.

are you kidding 500. or lower? you must be talking about the spankees with their crap starting staff. I sure a 42 year old Randy johnson could hold up right? Maybe the inexpeince of Wang and Chacon will help. But im sure Aaron Small with come through with a cy young year right?:lol:
But i guess you dont need a good staff when you have a 40 + million dollar bullpen.

[typeOnegative13NY]

do the mets have a friggin chance to go anywhere?

will they at least win division?
I hate all yankee fans,they annoy the crap out of me.

so keep it real with your opinions, no were not the yanks so u can get off of a-rods -ick for a sec,ok yank fans.
well,they may go somewhere,but certainly not as far as the Yankees:wink: :grin:

[Pennythetowelboy]

well,they may go somewhere,but certainly not as far as the Yankees:wink: :grin:

Yeah i hear the mets are staying in flushing to play in the post season.
And i hear A-rod already made october golf plans.

[Jets4betterorworse]

Mets will be respectable ill say 80-82

[Pennythetowelboy]

fist six in lineup.....

reyes
loduca
wright
delgado
beltran
floyd

and thats a little more then respectable.
The starting Pitching isnt great but its still better then the spanks.
And look at the protection wright and beltran have in the lineup. WOW.
And you need to add 6 games to the win colum for wagner saving games that looper would blow.

Mets will be 92-70

[JETSFAN5180]

the mets will be competetive playoffs what playoffs

[Pennythetowelboy]

the mets will be competetive playoffs what playoffs

the playoffs of Major League Baseball. :smile:

[Pennythetowelboy]

and look for a breakout year for Victor Diaz. Or a disapointing year where he gets released. Im not sure which one but trust me.

[silent scream]

and look for a breakout year for Victor Diaz. Or a disapointing year where he gets released. Im not sure which one but trust me.

I think the latter, unless he learns to hit something other than a fastball.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Yeah i hear the mets are staying in flushing to play in the post season.
And i hear A-rod already made october golf plans.
Really? Why would he do that considering the Yankees haven't missed a post season since.....when?:drunk:

[3rdAnd15Draw]

fist six in lineup.....

reyes
loduca
wright
delgado
beltran
floyd


Yeah, fantastic lineup construction, 30% of the time Wright will actually have someone on base when he comes to bat.

[nyscene911]

Really? Why would he do that considering the Yankees haven't missed a post season since.....when?:drunk:

1994, I believe.

[Pennythetowelboy]

Really? Why would he do that considering the Yankees haven't missed a post season since.....when?:drunk:

he would do that beacuse Randy Johnson will snap by May and you'll have Aaron "cy young" small as your 4th starter. are you that happy with moose as your number 2 when at 32 he has back problems that kept him out last year?

[AMJets]

he would do that beacuse Randy Johnson will snap by May and you'll have Aaron "cy young" small as your 4th starter. are you that happy with moose as your number 2 when at 32 he has back problems that kept him out last year?

What language is that?

[Jets4betterorworse]

90 and 72? My man the pitching is putrid. Trachsel and Zambrano? Come on some times you got to think with your head and not heart. Seo and Benson were 28 and 14 including the no decisions. Duaner Sanchez and Jorge Julio even 18 wins? Sorry Omar Minaya Isiah Thomased the Mets 1 too many trades.

[FrankTheTank]

What language is that?
that would be English

[Rextasy]

I think they have potential to be pretty good. But as Mets fans we have seen a good team on paper before only to self destruct right in front of our eyes. They should keep it interesting. If nothing else I'm looking foward to seeing Reyes & Wright develop. I'm cautiously optimistic about this season..

[typeOnegative13NY]

he would do that beacuse Randy Johnson will snap by May and you'll have Aaron "cy young" small as your 4th starter. are you that happy with moose as your number 2 when at 32 he has back problems that kept him out last year?
:lol: :lol: compare Smalls record as a Yankee starter to any starter on the Mets last year.

[IneedJesus]

A WHOLE lot depends on Pedro and his toe. If he is able to pitch like he did last year the Mets have a chance to compete for a playoff spot, but if it severly effects his pitching we are screwed.

The Mets staff is pretty weak without Pedro. Even if they do get into the playoffs they wont go that far because Glavine, Trax, Zambrano, & Hielman strike fear in no one.

I think our offense will be way more improved so hopefully that will off set the average pitching staff.

[nyscene911]

I don't know why everyone shits on Trax all the time. He's been a very solid pitcher for the last few years with the Mets. Not spectacular, no. 1 all-star type stuff, but very servicable to say the least.

[MSUJet85]

Yeah, fantastic lineup construction, 30% of the time Wright will actually have someone on base when he comes to bat.
Yeah I agree, Lo Duca batting 2nd is a dumb move, IMO

We should get to at least 90 wins this year or better, last year we could barely scored runs and got to 83 wins, this year we should make the playoffs

[MSUJet85]

Really? Why would he do that considering the Yankees haven't missed a post season since.....when?:drunk:
And I thought Scankee fans only cared about winning WS :rolleyes:

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Yeah I agree, Lo Duca batting 2nd is a dumb move, IMO

We should get to at least 90 wins this year or better, last year we could barely scored runs and got to 83 wins, this year we should make the playoffs

Actually the overall run production wasn't the problem, just consistency. When Reyes would get "hot" and get on base they would score bunches of runs and when he was in one of his many slumps they never had anyone on base. I don't like Loduca at all but hopefully Reyes can be more consistent this year.

[FITM]

83 wins last year. Count Looper's blown saves and add 5 to that for Delgado being on the team, subtract 10 wins for Benson not being here, and that's my prediction for the amount of wins the Mets will have.

[Cakes]

83 wins last year. Count Looper's blown saves and add 5 to that for Delgado being on the team, subtract 10 wins for Benson not being here, and that's my prediction for the amount of wins the Mets will have.


Was Benson ever a big time pitcher? I may have missed that.

[Cakes]

Yeah I agree, Lo Duca batting 2nd is a dumb move, IMO




I don't know about that. Lo Duca will hit to right field. If Reyes is on base, he'll get to third on hits to right field. Also, there should be a nice hole for Lo Duca because the 1st baseman will be trying to hold Reyes on.

[deviljets7]

83 wins last year. Count Looper's blown saves and add 5 to that for Delgado being on the team, subtract 10 wins for Benson not being here, and that's my prediction for the amount of wins the Mets will have.

So the downgrade from Benson to Heilman is twice as great as the upgrade from Mientkiewicz to Delgado?

[typeOnegative13NY]

And I thought Scankee fans only cared about winning WS :rolleyes:
Very true. But the original comment was abouit MVP Rod making Oct golf plans,and by average,that is just not likely.

[deviljets7]

90 and 72? My man the pitching is putrid. Trachsel and Zambrano? Come on some times you got to think with your head and not heart. Seo and Benson were 28 and 14 including the no decisions. Duaner Sanchez and Jorge Julio even 18 wins? Sorry Omar Minaya Isiah Thomased the Mets 1 too many trades.

So the loss of Seo's 14 starts mean something, yet the loss of Ishii's 16 pathethic starts don't? The win/loss record stat is also quite misleading, espeically when you realize that Benson was the beneficiary of great run support. In his 28 starts, the Mets averaged 5.14 runs per game. By comparison in the 134 other games, they averaged 4.31 runs per game.

I would assume you also think the Yankees have one of the premier staff's in baseball right?

[Jets4betterorworse]

When ever your starting pitching has it's 1 2 and 3 lined up all over 35 years of age you aren't going anywhere.

[BIG COUNTRY]

I see around 90 wins however I dont see a deep playoff run. This team remind me of the Yankees team 2 years ago, there is alot of power in the lineup that will give you a good seson and the Mets have an improved bullpen. However the problem is the starting rotation, Pedro is obviously one of the best pitchers in the league but the rest of the rotation is not that good.

The rotation will hurt the Mets in the playoffs whereas the hitting will carry them through the season. I see a good season for the Mets but they need to shore up the rotation before the WS is thought about. Who knows though they can go farther you never know who will come out. I see there was a lot of bashing on Small and Chacon however Im sure most Mets fans would be happy if their last 2 pictures in the rotation step up and have seasons like Small and Chacon. Also this is not a flame just my honest opinion.

[Ikeyman3]

When ever your starting pitching has it's 1 2 and 3 lined up all over 35 years of age you aren't going anywhere.
Are you a Yankee fan because Johnson and Muss aren;t spring chickens either.

Pedro is not 35 yet.

[Cakes]

The 2001 Diamondbacks and 2004 Red Sox won with geezer starting pitching. If you give me some time I'll find teams that had great success with older pitching.

[BIG COUNTRY]

The 2001 Diamondbacks and 2004 Red Sox won with geezer starting pitching. If you give me some time I'll find teams that had great success with older pitching.
The 2001 Diamondbacks had at the time the 2 best starting pitchers in the league. Johnson and Schilling. In the playoffs they figured win every 2 out of 3 and they were fine. Look at when the Yankees played them, they won when those guys didnt play or else they won when Kim went in. If you have 2 guys who are workhorses like that then you are set in the playoffs. Johnson went with 2 days rest. It wasnt great 1 to 5 but 1&2 carried them.

The same went with Boston they had Schilling and Pedro who carried them. They got wins out of other pitchers every now and then but it was those 2 that helped them the most.

[deviljets7]

When ever your starting pitching has it's 1 2 and 3 lined up all over 35 years of age you aren't going anywhere.

Says the fan of the team with the 42 year old #1 and 37 year old #2 :)

[MSUJet85]

When ever your starting pitching has it's 1 2 and 3 lined up all over 35 years of age you aren't going anywhere.
Pedro is only 33 :up:

[Cakes]

The 2001 Diamondbacks had at the time the 2 best starting pitchers in the league. Johnson and Schilling. In the playoffs they figured win every 2 out of 3 and they were fine. Look at when the Yankees played them, they won when those guys didnt play or else they won when Kim went in. If you have 2 guys who are workhorses like that then you are set in the playoffs. Johnson went with 2 days rest. It wasnt great 1 to 5 but 1&2 carried them.

The same went with Boston they had Schilling and Pedro who carried them. They got wins out of other pitchers every now and then but it was those 2 that helped them the most.

Wakefield also started a WS game. He was 37.

If your point was that Johnson and Schilling in '01 were better than Martinez and Glavine will be in '06- then that's fine, I agree.

However, I think the Mets will enter the postseason with Martinez and a pitcher not currently on the Mets roster as their 1 and 2 starters.

[deviljets7]

I'll admit that there isn't a ton of depth in the Mets rotation, however this talk of replacing Benson/Seo is absurd. Basically the 2 main changes are Trachsel replacing Benson and Heilman replacing the duo of Seo/Ishi (Seo only made 14 starts). Trachsel has proven countless times in the past that he can exceed the remarkably average production of Benson. Here are the combined stats of Seo/Ishii:
30 starts, 179.2 ip 11-11 3.81 ERA, 112 k's, 64 walks, 1.30 WHIP. After what Heilman did last year (albiet primarily as a RP), I don't think this is an unreasonable projection.

[FirstTimeCaller]

When ever your starting pitching has it's 1 2 and 3 lined up all over 35 years of age you aren't going anywhere.

Good Call :lol:

[Rextasy]

However, I think the Mets will enter the postseason with Martinez and a pitcher not currently on the Mets roster as their 1 and 2 starters.
Barry Zito???

[Pennythetowelboy]

Barry Zito???

I can see a midseason trade for zito. I see many things and i hope thats one. :up:

[Cakes]

Barry Zito???


That would work for me. Trading any prospect outside of Lastings Milledge would be fine with me.
I expect a big trade for a pitcher during the season. I think Glavine will be the #3 starter late in the year.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

There's no way the Mets will get Zito without giving up Milledge.

[Cakes]

There's no way the Mets will get Zito without giving up Milledge.


Then he can stay in Oakland all year, the Mets'll get someone else.

[Rextasy]

I'd give up Milledge for Zito right now..

[Exit 117]

I'd give up Milledge for Zito only if we can talk to Zito's agent beforehand to sign to a long-term contract. I wouldn't trade Milledge for a 1-year (or a half a year) rental of Zito.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I'd give up Milledge for Zito only if we can talk to Zito's agent beforehand to sign to a long-term contract. I wouldn't trade Milledge for a 1-year (or a half a year) rental of Zito.

What he said. Personally I think Zito is a bit overrated but he certainly would be a legitimate #2 on the Mets staff, which they're sorely lacking. You never know who will be "available" at the trading deadline though. After all that's gone on with the Mets gutting their farm system I think its a little silly to hold up Milledge as "untouchable" at this point.

[ShadeTree#55]

Wire to Wire World Champs.

No doubt the Mets are the team to beat in the NL.

[ButtleMan]

What he said. Personally I think Zito is a bit overrated but he certainly would be a legitimate #2 on the Mets staff, which they're sorely lacking. You never know who will be "available" at the trading deadline though. After all that's gone on with the Mets gutting their farm system I think its a little silly to hold up Milledge as "untouchable" at this point.

I think Zito is incredibly overrated. He hasnt been able to come close to his Cy Young season.
The A's thought that he would be the best of the big 3 but he hasnt come through. I do find it amusing that all of the big 3 have had the injury bug once they were all split up.

[jdjets]

we still need zito. we dont really scare anyone besides pedro.

i cant believe we didnt sign a #2 pitcher yet.

[jdjets]

i say 90-92 wins easy (without major injuries)

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I think Zito is incredibly overrated. He hasnt been able to come close to his Cy Young season.
The A's thought that he would be the best of the big 3 but he hasnt come through. I do find it amusing that all of the big 3 have had the injury bug once they were all split up.

And its unlikely he will again, his peripherals just aren't good enough. Also he is coming off one bad year and one mediocre year. Like I said I think he is a good #2 starter so I wouldn't call him incredibly overrated, unless there are alot of people out there that somehow think he is a top of the line ace.

[Jets4betterorworse]

And its unlikely he will again, his peripherals just aren't good enough. Also he is coming off one bad year and one mediocre year. Like I said I think he is a good #2 starter so I wouldn't call him incredibly overrated, unless there are alot of people out there that somehow think he is a top of the line ace.

Zito at this point you'd have to take over Martinez though.

[ShadeTree#55]

LOL

On what planet?

[AMJets]

Zito at this point you'd have to take over Martinez though.

The only advantage Zito has is age. Martinez is still much better.

[nyscene911]

Zito at this point you'd have to take over Martinez though.
Did you sign up for TGG just to post in this thread? Everypost of yours has been a negative Mets post.

[lightning]

do the mets have a friggin chance to go anywhere?

will they at least win division?
I hate all yankee fans,they annoy the crap out of me.

so keep it real with your opinions, no were not the yanks so u can get off of a-rods -ick for a sec,ok yank fans.
I think the mets may be similar to knicks of this year, everyone was excited about the draft day moves and the curry trade, with larry brown they expected to be a top 4 seed. I think the mets will struggle early on and start to make a run late in the season but only come up with around 70-75 wins

[ButtleMan]

Zito at this point you'd have to take over Martinez though.

You are out of your friggin mind to take Zito over Pedro.
Pedro will go down as one of the best of all time. Zito will finish as a former Cy Young winner that could never duplicate that season again.
Randy Jones anyone?

[Exit 117]

You are out of your friggin mind to take Zito over Pedro.
Pedro will go down as one of the best of all time. Zito will finish as a former Cy Young winner that could never duplicate that season again.
Randy Jones anyone?
Anybody and everybody ever on the Mets immediately suck for their entire career.

[jdjets]

yeah , well, F johnny cash.ill shove that finger up his cornhole.

just kiddin i j cash.

let me guess , yankee fan?

[nyscene911]

yeah , well, F johnny cash.ill shove that finger up his cornhole.

just kiddin i j cash.

let me guess , yankee fan?

Sarcasm > you :rofl:

[AMJets]

yeah , well, F johnny cash.ill shove that finger up his cornhole.

just kiddin i j cash.

let me guess , yankee fan?

That was the most intellectually brilliant comment ever made in the long, illustrious history of our incredible country.

Seriously.

[Exit 117]

yeah , well, F johnny cash.ill shove that finger up his cornhole.

just kiddin i j cash.

let me guess , yankee fan?
Maybe I should change my avatar back to Mr. Met...

[Cakes]

I think the mets may be similar to knicks of this year, everyone was excited about the draft day moves and the curry trade, with larry brown they expected to be a top 4 seed. I think the mets will struggle early on and start to make a run late in the season but only come up with around 70-75 wins


Yeah, if half the team gets injured. Who the hell in their right mind thought the Knicks were ever going to be good this year? At the start of the season they looked like a 30-win team.

[ShadeTree#55]

70-75 Wins.

So they will win 8 less then last year, with adding Delgado and Wagner?

LMAO

I think the Yanks will win 60 games. They will be like the Islanders.

[Cakes]

In the same vein as the Mets going to 70 wins, I feel that the Blue Jays will be a 52 win team. They did absolutely nothing to improve the team.

[lightning]

In the same vein as the Mets going to 70 wins, I feel that the Blue Jays will be a 52 win team. They did absolutely nothing to improve the team.
GREAT MOVIE

[Jets4betterorworse]

You are out of your friggin mind to take Zito over Pedro.
Pedro will go down as one of the best of all time. Zito will finish as a former Cy Young winner that could never duplicate that season again.
Randy Jones anyone?

Come on man i'm not talking career i'm saying right now.

[Exit 117]

Come on man i'm not talking career i'm saying right now.
Look Howard Beach, Pedro > Zito now and career...

[AMJets]

Come on man i'm not talking career i'm saying right now.

Pedro is still better.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Come on man i'm not talking career i'm saying right now.
Im a Yankee fan and I would definitely take Pedro over Zito right now.

[Jonathan_Vilma]

he would do that beacuse Randy Johnson will snap by May and you'll have Aaron "cy young" small as your 4th starter. are you that happy with moose as your number 2 when at 32 he has back problems that kept him out last year?
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[Cakes]

To expect Aaron Small to have a superb W-L record again is asking a lot.
He has no track record to suggest he's going to put together a 13-3, 10-2, 12-4 type season in 2006.

Two cases off the top of my head of non-HOF pitchers having big winning percentage years were Roy Face and Dennis Lamp. Then I looked up the exact stats and years.

Roy Face went 18-1 for the '59 Pirates.
He was 10-8 the next year.

Dennis Lamp went 11-0 for Toronto in '85.
The next year he was 2-6.

[Jets4betterorworse]

Look Howard Beach, Pedro > Zito now and career...

You guys do have a point. But you can't say 87 MPH at times last year didn't scare you for this comming year just a bit now.

[nyscene911]

You guys do have a point. But you can't say 87 MPH at times last year didn't scare you for this comming year just a bit now.
Why not just go and spew your shit on a Mets board. You've been here for 2 days, and everyone of your post has been a disparaging one about the Mets. You're posts are just annoying, you haven't brought anything of value to the table.

[Cakes]

You guys do have a point. But you can't say 87 MPH at times last year didn't scare you for this comming year just a bit now.


No, it didn't scare me.

[MSUJet85]

To expect Aaron Small to have a superb W-L record again is asking a lot.
He has no track record to suggest he's going to put together a 13-3, 10-2, 12-4 type season in 2006.

Two cases off the top of my head of non-HOF pitchers having big winning percentage years were Roy Face and Dennis Lamp. Then I looked up the exact stats and years.

Roy Face went 18-1 for the '59 Pirates.
He was 10-8 the next year.

Dennis Lamp went 11-0 for Toronto in '85.
The next year he was 2-6.
You forgot another one Kaz Ishii, the league never saw him before so he was able to sneak up on people, you will know if he is the real thing after the second time teams get to see him

[Jets4betterorworse]

Why not just go and spew your shit on a Mets board. You've been here for 2 days, and everyone of your post has been a disparaging one about the Mets. You're posts are just annoying, you haven't brought anything of value to the table.

Your a mature one. But seriously you didn't bring anything yet as far as i'm concerened either. If you don't agree with what someone posts argue it instead of getting mad. It's only my opinion lets here yours now.

[nyscene911]

Your a mature one. But seriously you didn't bring anything yet as far as i'm concerened either. If you don't agree with what someone posts argue it instead of getting mad. It's only my opinion lets here yours now.

My opinion? Pedro Martinez >>> Barry Zito. Zito is a one hit wonder who had his Cy Young year and has done nothing since. His (Zito's) combined ERA over the past two years is over 4.00. That doesn't hold a candle to what Pedro's been able to do over the course of his career, including his(by his standards) horrible season two years ago. There is absolutely no reason to take Barry Zito over Pedro Martinez at these respective points in their careers, except possibly age.

I don't have anything to prove here. I didn't come into the forum with no posts under my belt and start talking shit. You, on the other hand, have evidently finally made your way over to the Jets forum for 1 post after spewing your tired old "the mets suck" rhetoric over here.

You're just looking to start shit up here with Mets fans. Just admit it and move on.

[Jets4betterorworse]

My opinion? Pedro Martinez >>> Barry Zito. Zito is a one hit wonder who had his Cy Young year and has done nothing since. His (Zito's) combined ERA over the past two years is over 4.00. That doesn't hold a candle to what Pedro's been able to do over the course of his career, including his(by his standards) horrible season two years ago. There is absolutely no reason to take Barry Zito over Pedro Martinez at these respective points in their careers, except possibly age.

I don't have anything to prove here. I didn't come into the forum with no posts under my belt and start talking shit. You, on the other hand, have evidently finally made your way over to the Jets forum for 1 post after spewing your tired old "the mets suck" rhetoric over here.

You're just looking to start shit up here with Mets fans. Just admit it and move on.

I'm a Met fan. However doesn't mean i can't be a doubter. They fooled us again. Wagner's here Delgado too wow what a team. Then trade Seo for Duaner Sanchez ok 26 good arm to set up. Then you get Jorge Julio who should do nothing else then wash Minaya's car in a Mets uniform.

This guy is very un mentaly tough and now not only are we losing a very good number 3 starter we are left to dry with Steve Trachsel. Alot of Met fans seem to back him but I am so sick of him pitching good enough to lose it's disgusting. I seen it the other day i'm pretty sure look how many games under .500 this guy is. That isn't a number 3.

Now Heilman I happen to like but I can sit here and give him the benifit of the doubt. And Zambrano do I really have to get started on that? All that i'm trying to say is there was too much addition by subraction to say this is a 90+ win playoff team. However with another top of the rotation starter the team is just that.

[ShadeTree#55]

This team is a lock for 90+ wins.

[nyscene911]

You don't have to lie about being a Mets fan. Your post earlier in response to Rogerblaze gave you away on that "Its got to be sad to be a Mets fan."

There's really no reason to believe that this team won't improve. They had 83 wins last season. They replaced that choker Looper with one of the best closers in baseball. The finally got a good power hitting first baseman to replace the .220 hitting Minky. LoDuca is an adequete replacement for Piazza, and will probably put up similar numbers as piazza did.

[Jets4betterorworse]

You don't have to lie about being a Mets fan. Your post earlier in response to Rogerblaze gave you away on that "Its got to be sad to be a Mets fan."

There's really no reason to believe that this team won't improve. They had 83 wins last season. They replaced that choker Looper with one of the best closers in baseball. The finally got a good power hitting first baseman to replace the .220 hitting Minky. LoDuca is an adequete replacement for Piazza, and will probably put up similar numbers as piazza did.

I agree the offense will be ok as will the bullpen as long as Julio isn't used. But the starting pitching is awful and I will say that without fear awful. Pedro has to be every bit of what he has been. Glavine can't be pitching 3 innings against the Phillies and 3 to 5 are no locks. As far as lieing about being a Mets fan. Who would lie about being that?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I agree the offense will be ok as will the bullpen as long as Julio isn't used. But the starting pitching is awful and I will say that without fear awful. Pedro has to be every bit of what he has been. Glavine can't be pitching 3 innings against the Phillies and 3 to 5 are no locks. As far as lieing about being a Mets fan. Who would lie about being that?

Was the starting pitching awful last year? Seo was fantastic last season when he actually got to pitch(which was only 14 starts I believe) and I absolutely hated the deal but this is unlikely to be a season breaker for the Mets.

Benson was not a legit #3 either, and although I wasn't sad to see him go, I think they would've been better served to keep him and just trash Zambrano, especially since they got nothing of value back from the O's. Trachsel will fill the "Benson" role adequately. I think it's going to come down to how well Heilman does as a starter, as he was great out of the pen last year.

If I was running the team I would've kept the rotation from the end of last season pretty much intact, rather then getting rid of Benson and Seo for minimal value.

[Jets4betterorworse]

Was the starting pitching awful last year? Seo was fantastic last season when he actually got to pitch(which was only 14 starts I believe) and I absolutely hated the deal but this is unlikely to be a season breaker for the Mets.

Benson was not a legit #3 either, and although I wasn't sad to see him go, I think they would've been better served to keep him and just trash Zambrano, especially since they got nothing of value back from the O's. Trachsel will fill the "Benson" role adequately. I think it's going to come down to how well Heilman does as a starter, as he was great out of the pen last year.

If I was running the team I would've kept the rotation from the end of last season pretty much intact, rather then getting rid of Benson and Seo for minimal value.

I like the Duaner Sanchez deal. He can give you 80 appearences. But you trade only one of the two. As far as your question was the rotation bad last year? No it was the one consistant part of the team but when you have Seo and Benson going 28 and 14 combined in their starts you have to subtract not all but a piece of that when handycapping the season.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I like the Duaner Sanchez deal. He can give you 80 appearences. But you trade only one of the two. As far as your question was the rotation bad last year? No it was the one consistant part of the team but when you have Seo and Benson going 28 and 14 combined in their starts you have to subtract not all but a piece of that when handycapping the season.

What I'm saying is this. Look at the rotation opening day last year compared to this year

2005: 1. Pedro 2. Glavine 3. Benson 4. Zambrano 5. Ishii

2006: 1. Pedro 2. Glavine 3. Trachsel 4. Zambrano 5. Heilman

Now, Pedro has some injury concerns, but there were also concerns about his durability and performance coming into last year.

Glavine is a year older, but he was lights out the 2nd half of last season as was previously mentioned.

Trachsel has been consistently better then Benson ever year since 2002, and while this is not saying much I still count this as an upgrade. Benson is a below average major league pitcher.

Zambrano stinks and he stunk last year. We'll probably get flashes of a good pitcher, similar to last year.

Clear upgrade here, Ishii was absolutely horrible and we knew that going into the season.

I guess I don't see what you see when you're saying our starting pitching is going to be "awful" this year.

[Cakes]

I refuse to go nuts over the Seo trade. Many people used to think Kenny Williams was a bad general manager making mindless trades and then look what his team did.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I refuse to go nuts over the Seo trade. Many people used to think Kenny Williams was a bad general manager making mindless trades and then look what his team did.

If the Mets had gotten a better reliever back I probably would've been more receptive to the deal. As it is, the Mets got rid of the only "tradable" guy in their pitching mishmash that had demonstrated any ability to be more then an "average" starter for an average reliever. That is not good value in my book.

[Jets4betterorworse]

What I'm saying is this. Look at the rotation opening day last year compared to this year

2005: 1. Pedro 2. Glavine 3. Benson 4. Zambrano 5. Ishii

2006: 1. Pedro 2. Glavine 3. Trachsel 4. Zambrano 5. Heilman

Now, Pedro has some injury concerns, but there were also concerns about his durability and performance coming into last year.

Glavine is a year older, but he was lights out the 2nd half of last season as was previously mentioned.

Trachsel has been consistently better then Benson ever year since 2002, and while this is not saying much I still count this as an upgrade. Benson is a below average major league pitcher.

Zambrano stinks and he stunk last year. We'll probably get flashes of a good pitcher, similar to last year.

Clear upgrade here, Ishii was absolutely horrible and we knew that going into the season.

I guess I don't see what you see when you're saying our starting pitching is going to be "awful" this year.

You do have a few good points there. I still believe what i've posted but come june/july I hope i'm looking dumb and you come out looking like a expert. Either way it will atleast be fun to watch.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Jets4betteror4worse=JetsFan4Life

They both have tha passionate hate for the Mets

[Jets4betterorworse]

Jets4betteror4worse=JetsFan4Life

They both have tha passionate hate for the Mets

Yea I really hate the Mets can't stand them. No that would be the Yankees. You guys must be like 12 thinking it's un acceptable to be pesimistic.

[deviljets7]

Was the starting pitching awful last year? Seo was fantastic last season when he actually got to pitch(which was only 14 starts I believe) and I absolutely hated the deal but this is unlikely to be a season breaker for the Mets.

Benson was not a legit #3 either, and although I wasn't sad to see him go, I think they would've been better served to keep him and just trash Zambrano, especially since they got nothing of value back from the O's. Trachsel will fill the "Benson" role adequately. I think it's going to come down to how well Heilman does as a starter, as he was great out of the pen last year.

If I was running the team I would've kept the rotation from the end of last season pretty much intact, rather then getting rid of Benson and Seo for minimal value.

Well put Draw. The same Yankee fans that are saying the Mets are screwed b/c of the Benson/Seo trades are the same ones that six weeks ago thought Seo was a 2 month fluke (though Small and Chacon aren't) and Benson was nothing more than proven mediocrity.

[Jets4betterorworse]

Well put Draw. The same Yankee fans that are saying the Mets are screwed b/c of the Benson/Seo trades are the same ones that six weeks ago thought Seo was a 2 month fluke (though Small and Chacon aren't) and Benson was nothing more than proven mediocrity.

Good point on Chacon and Small. He now as expectations thats no lock either again good point.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Jets4betteror4worse=JetsFan4Life

They both have tha passionate hate for the Mets

Unlikely, he hasn't mentioned Carlos Beltran yet.

[Jets4betterorworse]

Unlikely, he hasn't mentioned Carlos Beltran yet.

No excuses for him this year. He just has to produce if not like a 100 million dollar player then like a Cliff Floyd like at the very least.

[BIG COUNTRY]

No excuses for him this year. He just has to produce if not like a 100 million dollar player then like a Cliff Floyd like at the very least.
Yeah its him, also they both have it spelled the same way. Instead of the simple English vocabulary of for they have it spelled 4.

[AMJets]

Good point on Chacon and Small. He now as expectations thats no lock either again good point.

Yankees have no expectations what so ever for Small. If he provides them with a sub 5.00 ERA in mop-up duty, then they'll be happy. Chacon has expectations as the #5 starter, and has a nasty curveball (which wasn't very effective in Colorado for obvious reasons.)

[Jets4betterorworse]

Yeah its him, also they both have it spelled the same way. Instead of the simple English vocabulary of for they have it spelled 4.

Ok? Exactly what the hell are you talking about?

[deviljets7]

Yankees have no expectations what so ever for Small. If he provides them with a sub 5.00 ERA in mop-up duty, then they'll be happy. Chacon has expectations as the #5 starter, and has a nasty curveball (which wasn't very effective in Colorado for obvious reasons.)

I think Chacon pretty good. He's not the pitcher he was last year, but I think a 4.00 - 4.30 ERA type. A very nice #4/5 guy, just like IMO Seo is. Considering the injury issues last year of Mussina, Pavano, Wright, and Wang, Chacon would be the least of my concerns if I was Yankee fan.

[jdjets]

ill bet anyone a nickle that the yanks will have 85 wins ,mets 90 wins .

thank you

yanks lose first round, mets lose second

[Yisman]

You should be bant for that.

[AMJets]

I missed that Weekes avatar.

[BadgerOnLSD]

I missed that Weekes avatar.
I miss Weekes in general.

[FITM]

I miss Weekes in general.

He is on your team.

[BadgerOnLSD]

He is on your team.
I don't miss him anymore.