NFL rules SUCK.

[JETSFAN1290]

No game in the NFL should end in a tie. Eagles 13 Bengals 13 play until theres a WINNER.

[allan1]

you can live with ties in the regular season because they're so rare.

[jetsaholic1094]

Just out of curiosity, how many tie games were there in the last decade? Paging Cakes...

[allan1]

2

2002 Steelers tied Atlanta

Today

[GBA]

The rules are fine. If neither team can win in regulation or overtime, then neither team should get credit for a win. Maybe the Eagles/Bengals should have played better.

[Jetdic]

Fuck both those teams

[DBWarren23]

I'd much rather a tie than football OT shootout ball also know as college overtime. That crap aint football.

[EcKo151]

Cincinnati on 3rd and 5 on the 50 ran the ball in OT...

Nice.

[Yisman]

I disagree. There should be more ties.

[TheBlairThomasFumble]

QFT. Fuckem.



Fuck both those teams

[IATA]

I'd rather have the college OT. So much more exciting.

But in a game like this, niether deserves a win, they both played like total shit.

[LeonNYJ]

I like the college OT myself. It gives both teams a more even chance to win the game. I hate the fact that the team who wins the toss has an enormous chance of winning the game because of a field goal. Get to the 30 and if your kicker is good then you've won. Bleh.

[Popeye's Army]

I like the college OT myself. It gives both teams a more even chance to win the game. I hate the fact that the team who wins the toss has an enormous chance of winning the game because of a field goal. Get to the 30 and if your kicker is good then you've won. Bleh.


I also like the college way of giving both teams a shot at winning. The coin flip winner in pro overtime is just too big of an advantage. But I would have the pro teams start at the 50. That way they'd have to make some yardage before getting in FG range.

[ukilledkenny]

if neither team can get into field goal position for an entire quarter then they dont deserve a win.

[Antoni]

Apparently McNabb had no clue ties even existed.

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What a stupid rule though. We need to move to the college OT. The majority of the fans want it so what's the big problem

[Big Poppa Naich]

I'm sorry, but if you are a QB in the NFL, how the heck do you not know that rule? Seriously? That speaks badly both about him and his coach.

[Namath2Kolber]

Man, I wish we tied against the Raiders. Shoulda ran out that clock . . .

[Antoni]

I'm sorry, but if you are a QB in the NFL, how the heck do you not know that rule? Seriously? That speaks badly both about him and his coach.

I guess we now know how those 2 always get along. I mean, it's bad enough you tie the Bengals, but when your star QB and HC don't know simple rules it's somewhat frightening. I'd imagine it would've changed the way they played that OT had they actually known what 99.9% of the average fan knows.

[ukilledkenny]

they didn't realize it ended in a tie? the ref actually tells them the rules before the coin flip for overtime. they cant be serious.

[Big Poppa Naich]

they didn't realize it ended in a tie? the ref actually tells them the rules before the coin flip for overtime. they cant be serious.

You know what? You're right. The referees actualy explain the rules at the start of OT. WTF was McNabb not paying attention?

[WhiteShoeWillis]

I'm surprised at how many people act like this is the first time they ever heard this rule. Especially McNabb - I mean they explain the rules when you go out for the coin toss in OT - did he just ignore them every time?

[Italian Seafood]

This is almost as good as the backup QB in Buffalo a few years ago who admitted he didn't study the gameplan after he had to come in the game and stunk it up. I think he got cut, can't even remember now who it was. Some things are better left unsaid, for one's own good.

[JetBlue]

Apparently McNabb had no clue ties even existed.

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What a stupid rule though. We need to move to the college OT. The majority of the fans want it so what's the big problem

really? the majority? according to who? I don't know anyone who even gives a fuck whether an OT game ends in a tie, because they rarely happen. and the college OT rule is worse. you play your ass off for 60 minutes under one set of rules, and all of a sudden with the game on the line you change those rules. yeah, that makes sense.

if you can't win a game in 5 periods of play when the significant majority easily do so in 4, fuck you, take the tie and get laughed at. get a tie and not know it was possible, get laughed at and called a stupid mother fucker. you know what, for all his faults, TO was right about McNabb and I just lost all respect for him as a player. he's a fucking dumbass.

DeSean Jackson didn't know either. big surprise. he also didn't know you have to actually cross the ball over the goal line to get a TD.

[Antoni]

really? the majority? according to who? I don't know anyone who even gives a fuck whether an OT game ends in a tie, because they rarely happen. and the college OT rule is worse. you play your ass off for 60 minutes under one set of rules, and all of a sudden with the game on the line you change those rules. yeah, that makes sense.

if you can't win a game in 5 periods of play when the significant majority easily do so in 4, fuck you, take the tie and get laughed at. get a tie and not know it was possible, get laughed at and called a stupid mother fucker. you know what, for all his faults, TO was right about McNabb and I just lost all respect for him as a player. he's a fucking dumbass.

DeSean Jackson didn't know either. big surprise. he also didn't know you have to actually cross the ball over the goal line to get a TD.

The polls show that the majority of NFL fans want to see college OT rules or basically anything but the NFL rules. Just look at the polls.

And the OT should be about all facets of the game, not who's the luckbox to win the 50/50 and a decent offense to get in range. OT should be left to skill, not coinflips. They better team in college always win. ALWAYS. Can you say the same thing for the NFL?

[JetBlue]

The polls show that the majority of NFL fans want to see college OT rules or basically anything but the NFL rules. Just look at the polls.

And the OT should be about all facets of the game, not who's the luckbox to win the 50/50 and a decent offense to get in range. OT should be left to skill, not coinflips. They better team in college always win. ALWAYS. Can you say the same thing for the NFL?

the better team always wins. exaggerate much? are you already forgetting that triple OT Kentucky victory over the eventual National Champion LSU just last season.

placing the ball in scoring position hardly makes the scenario better than an arbitrary coin flip. place the ball at the 30 and what is just a long first down on the first play of a normal drive becomes a game winning TD. yeah, that's identical to the dynamic of an actual NFL game. play 5 OT sessions and it doesn't take skill to score on a defense that can barely stand, nevertheless tackle. the college OT system is a joke.

and I'd love to see those polls that are actually representative of the body of NFL fans.

[Antoni]

the better team always wins. exaggerate much? are you already forgetting that triple OT Kentucky victory over the eventual National Champion LSU just last season.

placing the ball in scoring position hardly makes the scenario better than an arbitrary coin flip. place the ball at the 30 and what is just a long first down on the first play of a normal drive becomes a game winning TD. yeah, that's identical to the dynamic of an actual NFL game. play 5 OT sessions and it doesn't take skill to score on a defense that can barely stand, nevertheless tackle. the college OT system is a joke.

and I'd love to see those polls that are actually representative of the body of NFL fans.

Kentucky was the better team THAT week, period. At least we got to see BOTH teams have equal opportunities, unlike in the NFL where it's a crapshoot.

You can disagree with the college system and it may be flawed, but it's still much better than the NFL. They could at least give both teams full opportunities. Go for the FG if you want, but you're punting, and the other team either ties you with the FG and you go again or they win it it with the TD.

[JetBlue]

Kentucky was the better team THAT week, period. At least we got to see BOTH teams have equal opportunities, unlike in the NFL where it's a crapshoot.

You can disagree with the college system and it may be flawed, but it's still much better than the NFL. They could at least give both teams full opportunities. Go for the FG if you want, but you're punting, and the other team either ties you with the FG and you go again or they win it it with the TD.

if the better team only means the better team that week, there can never be an upset because the better team always wins every game. is that the position you are taking, that there are no upsets in sports, because anupset inherently means the better team did not win, which is impossible by your definition of better team.

and the NFL OT does require strategy. if you win the toss and elect to get the ball, you run the risk of getting bad field position, going 3 and out, and giving the other team good field position on the punt. so, you have to decide whether yo want your offense to get the ball or take a chance with your D and see if they can hold your opponent to the above scenarion. of course, you also run the risk of never seeing the ball because they march down the field and score. I like that set-up better than simply giving both teams the ball in scoring position.

the only other reasonable scenario is what they do in every other sport -- play a complete extra period.

[Antoni]

if the better team only means the better team that week, there can never be an upset because the better team always wins every game. is that the position you are taking, that there are no upsets in sports, because anupset inherently means the better team did not win, which is impossible by your definition of better team.

and the NFL OT does require strategy. if you win the toss and elect to get the ball, you run the risk of getting bad field position, going 3 and out, and giving the other team good field position on the punt. so, you have to decide whether yo want your offense to get the ball or take a chance with your D and see if they can hold your opponent to the above scenarion. of course, you also run the risk of never seeing the ball because they march down the field and score. I like that set-up better than simply giving both teams the ball in scoring position.

the only other reasonable scenario is what they do in every other sport -- play a complete extra period.

Oh come on man who honestly elects to kick in OT? I've never heard of that being case. Has it ever happened at all? But anyway, I like the 5th Quarter idea also, just anything.

The only arguments against the 5th Q come from fantasy football heads who are afraid of inflated stats but that should be the last thing to consider. There's always that injury argument too, but whatever, it's football. I wouldn't mind it being a tie if its still tied after 5 either. The tie isn't the issue, it's the golden field goal thing

[Scruggy]

I'd much rather a tie than football OT shootout ball also know as college overtime. That crap aint football.
Seconded. The College OT system is a joke.

[Gloom N Doom]

Games should be played until there is a winner. Ties suck.

[ouchy]

My 2 cents

1 cent - college OT changes the game to much to be taken seriously.

2 cent - do people really want their team to go into a 6th quarter here in week 10? Thats like playing a game and a half in one week. Its already tough to play 5 full quarters. Both of these teams are going to be extra hobbled next week because of it.

[abyzmul]

Oh come on man who honestly elects to kick in OT?

Marty Morninweg?

[GreenMachine]

Seconded. The College OT system is a joke.

I have mentioned it before. The Arena OT rules are the best.

* Overtime periods are 15 minutes during the regular season and the playoffs.
* Each team gets one possession to score. If, after each team has had one possession and one team is ahead, that team wins. If the teams are tied after each has had a possession, the next team to score wins.

[ukilledkenny]

i heard someone on the radio once talking about overtime. they gave what i thought was a pretty decent format for an nfl overtime. one team kicks the ball of and the opposing team gets one chance at a drive. no matter what happens on the drive once it is over the teams switch sides and the team that got the ball now kicks off and the other team has a chance to try and score. whoever has the most points after that exchange would win.

its basically an expansion of the college overtime that includes special teams and gives both teams a chance. obviously there are some problems. a limit would have to put on how many times they could go back on fourth without scoring so a tie would still be a possibility. another problem for some is that there is no point in punting the ball because once the offensive possession ends the team that was playing offense kicks the ball off. so that would mean teams are going for it on fourth down throughout overtime. while im sure there are other issues people could find in this system i think its better than what college currently has and more fair than what the nfl currently has. however this would be a tough system to implement and i dont see anything like it ever coming to the nfl.

[ukilledkenny]

I have mentioned it before. The Arena OT rules are the best.

* Overtime periods are 15 minutes during the regular season and the playoffs.
* Each team gets one possession to score. If, after each team has had one possession and one team is ahead, that team wins. If the teams are tied after each has had a possession, the next team to score wins.

thats much more simple than what i just posted. this is easily the best system i have seen.

[Cakes]

Marty Morninweg?

What Mornhinweg did in that 2002 overtime game vs Chicago was pretty bad. However, he was not the only head coach whose team elected to kick off in overtime.

The others-
Hank Stram
Tom Landry
Mike Ditka
Jerry Glanville
Bill Parcells
Dan Reeves
Ray Perkins
Mike Shanahan
Wade Phillips
Marty Mornhinweg

won- Stram, Ditka, Parcells, Reeves, Shanahan
lost- Landry, Glanville, Perkins, Phillips, Mornhinweg

NFL teams are 5-5 when electing to kick off in overtime.

Two times a team elected to kick off in overtime and lost without possessing the ball in the extra period. One was Mornhinweg's 2002 Lions, of course. The other was Ray Perkins' Buccaneers in a 1988 game vs New England.

[Cakes]

Just out of curiosity, how many tie games were there in the last decade? Paging Cakes...

There have only been 17 ties since overtime was implemented for the regular season (1974).

Here they are with notes-

1974- Steelers 35 at Broncos 35
First regular season overtime game in league history.

1976- Rams 10 at Vikings 10
Fran Tarkenton threw an interception at the 1-yard line. The game ended moments later with the Rams on their own 3.

1978- Vikings 10 at Packers 10
Both teams finished 8-7-1. This tie gave Minnesota the division title, by virtue of a better head-to-head record (the Vikings beat the Packers 21-7 earlier in the year). As a result, the Packers did not make the playoffs.

1980- Packers 14 at Buccaneers 14
Packers 36-yard FG try was wide right as time expired

1981- Jets 28 at Dolphins 28
Jets 48-yard FG try was wide right as time expired

1982- Packers 20 at Colts 20
It was the only game the Colts did not lose that year. Both teams had unsuccessful field goal attempts in overtime. The Green Bay kicker was Jan Stenerud- the only pure kicker in the Hall of Fame.

1983- Giants 20 at Cardinals 20
Cardinals kicker Neil O'Donoghue missed three FG tries in overtime. Their lengths were 44 (wide left), 19 (wide right), and 42 yards (wide right).

1984- Eagles 23 at Lions 23
Lions kicker Eddie Murray had his 21-yard FG try hit the upright and bounce back early in overtime.

1986- 49ers 10 at Falcons 10
The game ended on a Jerry Rice fumble near midfield.

1986- Cardinals 10 at Eagles 10
The teams combined to miss three field goals in overtime.

1987- Broncos 17 at Packers 17
This game was played in Milwaukee. Each team missed a FG in overtime.

1988- Chiefs 17 at Jets 17
Pat Leahy missed a 44-yard FG in overtime. Another Jets blunder was a Freeman McNeil lost fumble 11 yards away from a touchdown.

1989- Chiefs 10 at Browns 10
Kansas City's Nick Lowery missed a 47-yarder with 17 seconds remaining in overtime.

1997- Eagles 10 at Ravens 10
Philadelphia kicker Chris Boniol missed a 40-yard FG as time expired in overtime.

1997- Giants 7 at Redskins 7
Redskins QB Gus Frerotte scored a touchdown and then knocked himself out of the game when he rammed his head into a wall.

2002- Falcons 34 at Steelers 34
Future Jets kicker Jay Feely had his 56-yard FG attempt blocked by former Jets linebacker James Farrior late in the overtime period. Moments later, Tommy Maddox connected with Plaxico Burress on a long pass and the receiver was tackled at the 1-yard line as time ran out.

2008- Eagles 13 at Bengals 13
Shayne Graham's field goal attempt was wide right in the waning moments of the game