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JHTJ

03-27-2006, 06:13 AM

the title of the thread is pretty self explanitory....
NOTE -- The NFL will announce today that the Miami Dolphins will play the Steelers to kick off the season Thursday night, Sept. 7, at Heinz Field. The Dolphins, who did not make the playoffs last season, last week acquired quarterback Daunte Culpepper from the Minnesota Vikings. The Steelers' players and coaches will receive their Super Bowl rings that night.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 06:15 AM

Drew

03-27-2006, 06:15 AM

Wow. That's a good game to kick off the season with.

PennyandtheJets

03-27-2006, 06:34 AM

What a joke, why would Miami be opening the season when the past couple of years they have made it a conf title game rematch? Miami didn't even contend for a playoff spot last year and therefore did not earn this honor.
You are annoying in all phases of your posting. Your statement that Miami did not compete for a playoff spot last year is completely incorrect. The Miami Dolphins went 9-7 last year only a few games from a wildcard berth...What is your definition of contending for a playoff spot?

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 06:46 AM

What a joke, why would Miami be opening the season when the past couple of years they have made it a conf title game rematch? Miami didn't even contend for a playoff spot last year and therefore did not earn this honor.Have I mentioned that you annoy me?

Once the team gelled under both new systems and a plethora of new starters we won the last 6 games of the season. We did everything we could to earn a playoff spot but like many teams needed some help that unfortunatley didn't materialize. You don't think the Fins earned it, the NFL disagrees. Cry about it.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 06:49 AM

You are annoying in all phases of your posting. Your statement that Miami did not compete for a playoff spot last year is completely incorrect. The Miami Dolphins went 9-7 last year only a few games from a wildcard berth...What is your definition of contending for a playoff spot?

Once again I have to educate you? b/c a team was 9-7 and "only 2 games" out of a playoff spot does not mean they were in the race. That dolphin team was 3-7 and at no point were they ever in the lead for a playoff spot. They won their last 6 which was a nice job but they were never truly in the race and 2 games back in football is like being 10 back in baseball. Would you consider a baseball tam that was 10 out to be in the race?

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 06:54 AM

Have I mentioned that you annoy me?

Once the team gelled under both new systems and a plethora of new starters we won the last 6 games of the season. We did everything we could to earn a playoff spot but like many teams needed some help that unfortunatley didn't materialize. You don't think the Fins earned it, the NFL disagrees. Cry about it.

You won 6 games congrats! the last one waas given to you by NE who was playing backps and 3rd stringers in the 2nd half and took the game so seriously they had their backup QB drop kick a PAT. The last couple of years they have made it a remtach of the conf title game and last I checked you didn't play in the conf title game so why is it that you are playing in this game?

I'm sorry I should bow down to the greatness that is the Miami dolphins. I mean you won your last 6 so you must be great, right? and outside of SD and the sham NE game you beat 4 teams that combined for 17 wins- can it get any more impressive than that? How could I not see this juggernaut as worthy to play in a game they have giveb to the SB Champ and conf title team they beat?:rolleyes:

MCHECK62

03-27-2006, 07:01 AM

I guess this is a decent game. Cincinnati or Denver might've been more logical as an opening night opponent. Dolphins and Steelers are both national teams though and the NFL should boost its ratings. Here's hoping that Pittsburgh is 1-0 opening night. Let's not use this as a forum to bash the Dolphins.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:10 AM

King Koopa

03-27-2006, 07:13 AM

yea seriously, why the hell is it phins-steelers?? doesn't make much sense....

if denver-pitt is a matchup for next year, it should have been that....if not, def bengals-steelers then....a good division rivalry that should last for a while with big ben and carson on their teams

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:16 AM

You won 6 games congrats! the last one waas given to you by NE who was playing backps and 3rd stringers in the 2nd half and took the game so seriously they had their backup QB drop kick a PAT. The last couple of years they have made it a remtach of the conf title game and last I checked you didn't play in the conf title game so why is it that you are playing in this game?

I'm sorry I should bow down to the greatness that is the Miami dolphins. I mean you won your last 6 so you must be great, right? and outside of SD and the sham NE game you beat 4 teams that combined for 17 wins- can it get any more impressive than that? How could I not see this juggernaut as worthy to play in a game they have giveb to the SB Champ and conf title team they beat?:rolleyes:Hey buddy, I didn't make the schedual - and I'm not trying to justify it. Have I ever given you the impression that one should bow to the greatness that is the Fins? Do I parade around here with a dolphins flag rubbing your 4-12 season in your face? The answer to both of those are an obvious no, by the way.

The NFL thought it would be a good game to open the season with, but what do they know? Lets call it the "JFL". Only then would the entire football communtity know how overrated Culpepper and the Dolphins are. We could then name Herman Edwards the new commishioner and Robertson would finally get that pro-bowl he so diligently deserves and that's only the beginning. Then, and only then, would you be in position to take over the world.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:17 AM

sanchizeqb

03-27-2006, 07:23 AM

Sounds like a kick ass game.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:25 AM

Hey buddy, I didn't make the schedual - and I'm not trying to justify it.

Did I say you did? I just said the dolphins didn't earn the right to be invovled in that game and I am 100% correct.

The NFL thought it would be a good game to open the season with, but what do they know?

In '02 the opened w/ a snoozefest btw NYG and SF then in '03 equally as bad was Jets-Skins so I would queastion what they know. They then started having rematches of the SB Champs w/ a team they beat in the playoffs and what do you know they had 2 good games. The only non-playoff teams to be invloved were NYG and Was and both of those games stunk. Maybe they should have kept to their revised formula for the game? Insetad they, like uninformed fans, fall prey to big names like Culpepper who aren't big players. I am very much looking forward to when yuo come crawling back telling me how much daunte sucks. I am never one to rub it in but that time I think I won't pass it up.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:29 AM

One of Junc's mottos, I'm sure, is never pass on an opportunity to bash the Fins.

I try to be realistic and bring people back to reality. Phin fans seem to think they are wining 4 of the next 5 SBsright now and think daunte is great when he has never been except in the fantasy world. I love what Saban did last year and I think he's on his way to becoming a big time coach but the moves you made this offseason have NOT been good. Should I lie and tell you I love them? I love getting an injured QB who was a choker when healthy? I love getting a CB whose team dumped him so they could sing an aging, falling player the dolphins had? Should I love getting an OT from a team that overpent millions on a couplf of OL including filling his spot? I don't get what you want me to do? When the dolphins actually do something, make a playoff run and don't humiliate themselves in the postseason like they did from '97-'01 then I'll show more respect.

3rdAnd15Draw

03-27-2006, 07:36 AM

I agree with junc on this one and I don't see the problem with his original post. Compared to the "opening game" matchups of the last few seasons, Miami is certainly not in the class of those teams.

He's also correct about them never being in contention for a playoff spot. We'll see what happens this year but there are plenty of times you see a team get hot when all the pressure is off and be the trendy pick the next season only to fall flat on their faces.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:36 AM

Did I say you did? I just said the dolphins didn't earn the right to be invovled in that game and I am 100% correct.Maybe you've forgot your place in this game we love so dearly. You, are an internet sports forum poster - nothing more. If you'd like to state who deserves what relative to the schedual make it known as opinion, which means little to me by the way.
In '02 the opened w/ a snoozefest btw NYG and SF then in '03 equally as bad was Jets-Skins so I would queastion what they know. They then started having rematches of the SB Champs w/ a team they beat in the playoffs and what do you know they had 2 good games. The only non-playoff teams to be invloved were NYG and Was and both of those games stunk. Maybe they should have kept to their revised formula for the game? Insetad they, like uninformed fans, fall prey to big names like Culpepper who aren't big players. I am very much looking forward to when yuo come crawling back telling me how much daunte sucks. I am never one to rub it in but that time I think I won't pass it up.I'm not sure what those games have to do with this game. We are talking about completely different teams aren't we? We're talking about a completely different time, no? Obviously getting to the conference championship isn't a prerequisite for the honors of this game, besides we smacked the Broncos all over the field last season.

All bias aside, I think this will be a good game.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:40 AM

I try to be realistic and bring people back to reality. Phin fans seem to think they are wining 4 of the next 5 SBsright now and think daunte is great when he has never been except in the fantasy world. I love what Saban did last year and I think he's on his way to becoming a big time coach but the moves you made this offseason have NOT been good. Should I lie and tell you I love them? I love getting an injured QB who was a choker when healthy? I love getting a CB whose team dumped him so they could sing an aging, falling player the dolphins had? Should I love getting an OT from a team that overpent millions on a couplf of OL including filling his spot? I don't get what you want me to do? When the dolphins actually do something, make a playoff run and don't humiliate themselves in the postseason like they did from '97-'01 then I'll show more respect.This is a Jet's board, and you're obviously intitled to your opinion. My problem lies with your inability to notice your own team's flaws. The excuses made, it's pathetic.

You'd think this season would have humbled you a little bit, but I've never seen one man with enless criticism for another's team when his is as bad as the NFL has seen in Years.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:43 AM

Maybe you've forgot your place in this game we love so dearly. You, are an internet sports forum poster - nothing more. If you'd like to state who deserves what relative to the schedual make it known as opinion, which means little to me by the way.

It is not opinion it is fact. They onyl let playoff teams play the SB Champ the last 2 years, a grudge match after they lost to NE but now we have a team that wasn't close to the playoffs against the Champs and they have played once since '99(that was your '04 year). To me you need a bigger team to play Pitt. Give me NE, Indy, Den, Cincy- all of those teams deserve it before Miami and that's really not debateable.

3rdAnd15Draw

03-27-2006, 07:47 AM

the NFL probably doesn't want to "waste" a great matchup on a game they know everyone will watch anyway.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:49 AM

the NFL probably doesn't want to "waste" a great matchup on a game they know everyone will watch anyway.

It's a showcase game to start the year, it wouldn't be a "waste" and if you wait you are taking a chance one team has injuries and struggles thus taking the luster of the game. I think it's a honor to play in the game and it should be earned and while the future looks bright for Miami nothing is certain and they haven't earned it yet.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:50 AM

It is not opinion it is fact. They onyl let playoff teams play the SB Champ the last 2 years, a grudge match after they lost to NE but now we have a team that wasn't close to the playoffs against the Champs and they have played once since '99(that was your '04 year). To me you need a bigger team to play Pitt. Give me NE, Indy, Den, Cincy- all of those teams deserve it before Miami and that's really not debateable.Again, we went 9-7 last year, that wasn't supposed to happen. We added a Pro Bowl QB and the team has a year under the system. Many feel we're a better team than last year, Obviously that doesn't include you - but who are you?

Because this game included deep playoff teams the last two years means nothing. There's a great chance this is all about ratings. Telivision contracts and ratings. This is a game people will want to see, enough said.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:55 AM

Again, we went 9-7 last year, that wasn't supposed to happen. We added a Pro Bowl QB and the team has a year under the system. Many feel we're a better team than last year, Obviously that doesn't include you - but who are you?

You went 10-6 in '03, how did '04 turn out? B/c you went 9-7 last year dos not mean you earned this game. PB's are MEANINGLESS, Culpepper is a great QB in name only. I think you could be better this year but it may not reflect in the record. W/o seeing the sched yet I see you around 8-10 wins but you made mistakes so far this offseason and mistaks that could prevent you from making a run in the next few years and regardless of that you did not earn this game based on last year.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 07:56 AM

Because this game included deep playoff teams the last two years means nothing. There's a great chance this is all about ratings. Telivision contracts and ratings. This is a game people will want to see, enough said.

a Pats-Pitt game would get more ratings, a Den-Pitt game would get more ratings, an Indy-Pitt game would gte more ratings. The only team I mentioned earlier that wouldn't get as much ratings as a Miami-Pitt game would be Cincy.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 07:59 AM

a Pats-Pitt game would get more ratings, a Den-Pitt game would get more ratings, an Indy-Pitt game would gte more ratings. The only team I mentioned earlier that wouldn't get as much ratings as a Miami-Pitt game would be Cincy.Amazing how you speak in factual terms. One might think, but one doesn't know.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 08:01 AM

Amazing how you speak in factual terms. One might think, but one doesn't know.

Anyone who has paid attention would know.

3rdAnd15Draw

03-27-2006, 08:02 AM

Amazing how you speak in factual terms. One might think, but one doesn't know.

Miami is not a good draw even in Miami, it's hard to believe they have this huge national fanbase that would like to see them on TV. If Palmer wasn't hurt I think Cincy would be a bigger draw then Miami as well, the "casual fan" loves to see an explosive and exciting offense.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 08:04 AM

You went 10-6 in '03, how did '04 turn out? B/c you went 9-7 last year dos not mean you earned this game. PB's are MEANINGLESS, Culpepper is a great QB in name only. I think you could be better this year but it may not reflect in the record. W/o seeing the sched yet I see you around 8-10 wins but you made mistakes so far this offseason and mistaks that could prevent you from making a run in the next few years and regardless of that you did not earn this game based on last year.I'm not going to pull a Junc and make excuses for 04 but I'll ask you again What does the past have to do with now? Better yet, what does 2004 have to do with 2006 relative to the Dolphins?

Should I counter with a team that went 9-7 and then won the SB the next season? It would make as much sense as this argument.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 08:04 AM

My mistake, I apologize. I completely forgot that Oak was NE's opponent last year. For some reason I thought it was Indy again. Under that criteria Miami certainly deserves to play in the game.

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 08:06 AM

I'm not going to pull a Junc and make excuses for 04 but I'll ask you again What does the past have to do with now? Better yet, what does 2004 have to do with 2006 relative to the Dolphins?

Should I counter with a team that went 9-7 and then won the SB the next season? It would make as much sense as this argument.

Excuses? Ricky QUIT on you, you didn't lose him to injury and you hadn't been in the playoffs since 2001 anyway and never made it w/ him. yes you had some bad luck in '04 and would have been better than 4-12 but we were a kick away from the title game in '04 and expected to be better before we were ravaged by injury like no team I can ever remember. Call it an excuse but name me the team that was even a contender playing 5 diff QBs.

2004 has nothing to do w/ now BUt you mentioned the Phins were 9-7 last year like it was a predictor you'd be better in '04.

BLITZKRIEG

03-27-2006, 08:09 AM

After being huge underdogs, and knocking off the Bronco's in the opener in 2005, I think Miami is certainly worthy of this status. This will be a great game, and will give us a chance to show the NFL how overrated the Steelers really are....

Hey Junc, I suppose you think the Jets deserve it more???...LOL!!!!!!!!!

nyjunc

03-27-2006, 08:11 AM

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 08:13 AM

Miami is not a good draw even in Miami, it's hard to believe they have this huge national fanbase that would like to see them on TV. If Palmer wasn't hurt I think Cincy would be a bigger draw then Miami as well, the "casual fan" loves to see an explosive and exciting offense.Not that I have any proof, but I believe Miami has a very large national fanbase, as well as International.

Again, you guys are backing me into a corner as if I'm justifying the season opener. Truth be told, IMO, it would make more sense seeing a playoff rematch - or a rematch at all from last season in the opener. I'm just making an attempt to defend my Fins.

At the end of the Day you will be forced to watch my Fins on day one, and all the complaining and bitching won't change a thing.

3rdAnd15Draw

03-27-2006, 08:14 AM

My mistake, I apologize. I completely forgot that Oak was NE's opponent last year. For some reason I thought it was Indy again. Under that criteria Miami certainly deserves to play in the game.

I would've sworn that it was NE/Pit last year but I guess they didn't play till week 3. They had an NFC Championship rematch for the first Monday night game so maybe that's where some of the confusion is coming from.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 08:15 AM

2004 has nothing to do w/ now.That's all you needed to say.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 08:16 AM

3rdAnd15Draw

03-27-2006, 08:18 AM

Not that I have any proof, but I believe Miami has a very large national fanbase, as well as International.

Again, you guys are backing me into a corner as if I'm justifying the season opener. Truth be told, IMO, it would make more sense seeing a playoff rematch - or a rematch at all from last season in the opener. I'm just making an attempt to defend my Fins.

At the end of the Day you will be forced to watch my Fins on day one, and all the complaining and bitching won't change a thing.

This may have been true in the 80's when they had Marino but I think over the past few years these sort of "fans" have gravitated to the Rams and Colts.

Gator

03-27-2006, 08:58 AM

I think it's great. Slap a big ole L on Miami to start out the season. 0-1 sounds good to me. Go Steelers!

Exit 117

03-27-2006, 09:00 AM

I try to be realistic and bring people back to reality.
Aahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl2: :rofl2: That is hilarious, junc. I'm glad you have a sense of humor.

JHTJ

03-27-2006, 09:11 AM

Aahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl2: :rofl2: That is hilarious, junc. I'm glad you have a sense of humor.I found that part mildly amusing as well.

ILPhinFan88

03-27-2006, 09:38 AM

Wow this opened up a can of worms. :ohmy:

Gator

03-27-2006, 09:55 AM

Wow this opened up a can of worms. :ohmy:

Nothing like the can of Whoopa$$ that's going to be opened on the Fish. Maybe we can loan Kimo back the Stealers for one game. Wind him up and point him towards Daunte. :)

Cakes

03-27-2006, 10:46 AM

I don't have a problem with this game especially considering the Raiders, coming off an awful 2004 season, played in the 2005 opener.

Two teams with big bandwagon followings to start the season.

Welker83

03-27-2006, 11:53 AM

If pepper can play it will be a good game....

PhinPhan1227

03-27-2006, 10:02 PM

What a joke, why would Miami be opening the season when the past couple of years they have made it a conf title game rematch? Miami didn't even contend for a playoff spot last year and therefore did not earn this honor.

They went out on a winning streak, which not too many teams manage to accomplish. They also picked up a marquee QB. Those two elements mean "drawing power" to the NFL scheduling execs. Further, Miami wasn't out of Playoff contention until week 15 as I recall. Until then they were certainly in contention for a Wildcard spot. Or do you need a reminder of the definition of "contention"? Tell the truth Junc, it kills you that Miami looks like they are improving under Saban, doesn't it? We are almost certainly not a Superbowl contender yet, maybe not even for the next few years...but we are certainly a contender to win the East and therefore a Playoff contender going into 2006.

PhinPhan1227

03-27-2006, 10:04 PM

a Pats-Pitt game would get more ratings, a Den-Pitt game would get more ratings, an Indy-Pitt game would gte more ratings. The only team I mentioned earlier that wouldn't get as much ratings as a Miami-Pitt game would be Cincy.

Nice contradiction Junc. NE has lost several key players, one of whom won them two of their Superbowls. And yet those moves somehow earn them the game? Please.

abyzmul

03-27-2006, 10:21 PM

It's funny how the NFL's marketing schemes can turn into something like this.

NYJATW

03-27-2006, 11:18 PM

2 teams that are bound for the playoffs to play each other

i'm surprised it's 2 afc teams...how come no nfc this year or last?

jetophile

03-27-2006, 11:42 PM

the NFL probably doesn't want to "waste" a great matchup on a game they know everyone will watch anyway.
I watch games if even when they're the garbage matchups of the century. Sunday, toasty socks, Pepsi, life is good. What do I care about who is playing on opening day when I'm beside myself that it's opening day?!

nyjunc

03-28-2006, 05:55 AM

They went out on a winning streak, which not too many teams manage to accomplish. They also picked up a marquee QB. Those two elements mean "drawing power" to the NFL scheduling execs. Further, Miami wasn't out of Playoff contention until week 15 as I recall. Until then they were certainly in contention for a Wildcard spot. Or do you need a reminder of the definition of "contention"? Tell the truth Junc, it kills you that Miami looks like they are improving under Saban, doesn't it? We are almost certainly not a Superbowl contender yet, maybe not even for the next few years...but we are certainly a contender to win the East and therefore a Playoff contender going into 2006.

First off I apologized b/c I got it wrong, I forgot Oak played last year in the opener so under that criteria Miami certainly deserves it.

As far as a"marquee" QB, he is "marquee" but not great and he might not even be reayd to play that game and a winning streak to end the prvious season isn't that meaningful especially when you beat 1 quality team(SD). The NE game was a joke as NE was sending in their backup QB to drop kick an extra point so that tells you how serious they thought of the game.

I never said you weren't a playoff contender, I definitely expect you to contend if not make it my original argument was I thought they were doing remtaches from the prior playoffs. I thought for some reason Indy played NE the last 2 years but I forgot and I was wrong.

Nice contradiction Junc. NE has lost several key players, one of whom won them two of their Superbowls. And yet those moves somehow earn them the game? Please.

NE still has the best player abd best coach in the game and if you think they won't win the division again next year you haven't paid attention to these guys for years.

Ten

03-28-2006, 06:23 AM

nyjunc

03-28-2006, 06:51 AM

The only thing that really annoys me about this is that the fins and Steelers get an extra 3 days to prepare.They'll have an unfair advatage against whoever they face in week 2(knowing our luck it will be us).

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They started this in 2002, below are the results the following week:

-'02 NYG played SF the next week NYG won at SL 26-21 and SF lost at Den 24-14.

-'03 NYJ-Was, the next week NYJ lost to Miami 21-10 and Was beat Atl 33-31.

-'04 Ind-NE, the next week Indy beat ten 31-17 and NE beat Ari 23-12.

-'05 Oak-NE, the next week Oak lost to KC 23-17 and NE lost at Car 27-17.

in 4 years the teams opening on Thursday are 4-4 the following week.

3rdAnd15Draw

03-28-2006, 07:08 AM

I watch games if even when they're the garbage matchups of the century. Sunday, toasty socks, Pepsi, life is good. What do I care about who is playing on opening day when I'm beside myself that it's opening day?!

Yeah but, it's the Steelers and the Fins. The only way it could get any more annoying if they were following it up with a Giants/Pats matchup.

Ten

03-28-2006, 07:11 AM

They started this in 2002, below are the results the following week:

-'02 NYG played SF the next week NYG won at SL 26-21 and SF lost at Den 24-14.

-'03 NYJ-Was, the next week NYJ lost to Miami 21-10 and Was beat Atl 33-31.

-'04 Ind-NE, the next week Indy beat ten 31-17 and NE beat Ari 23-12.

-'05 Oak-NE, the next week Oak lost to KC 23-17 and NE lost at Car 27-17.

in 4 years the teams opening on Thursday are 4-4 the following week.

Either way you slice it though it's still extra time to prepare which means a tougher game for their opponents.Even if their opponents were favourites to win.

Cakes

03-28-2006, 08:54 AM

Yeah but, it's the Steelers and the Fins. The only way it could get any more annoying if they were following it up with a Giants/Pats matchup.

I anticipate this Dolphins-Steelers game to be so annoying (especially with the ring ceremony) I probably will mute my television and I will frequently change the channel to watch various baseball games. (I have MLB Extra Innings again.)

chlln1540

03-28-2006, 09:49 PM

Well, I for one will be back here win or lose after the opener. I personally believe we have a great shot. We beat some pretty good teams last year and I believe we will only be better next year.

NYJunc will lose all credibility if the Dolphins win this match. His exuberant ego is summed up neatly with his saying "I am 100% correct". Since he claims to spew facts and not opinion, the moment he is wrong he should just shut his mouth.

chlln1540

03-28-2006, 10:02 PM

Since Junc apologized, I'll have to take back my statement.

Phins always deserve consideration in September. And now, thanks to Saban, we may actually win a few more later in the season as well.

PhinPhan1227

03-28-2006, 11:22 PM

First off I apologized b/c I got it wrong, I forgot Oak played last year in the opener so under that criteria Miami certainly deserves it.

As far as a"marquee" QB, he is "marquee" but not great and he might not even be reayd to play that game and a winning streak to end the prvious season isn't that meaningful especially when you beat 1 quality team(SD). The NE game was a joke as NE was sending in their backup QB to drop kick an extra point so that tells you how serious they thought of the game.

I never said you weren't a playoff contender, I definitely expect you to contend if not make it my original argument was I thought they were doing remtaches from the prior playoffs. I thought for some reason Indy played NE the last 2 years but I forgot and I was wrong.

NE still has the best player abd best coach in the game and if you think they won't win the division again next year you haven't paid attention to these guys for years.

It takes more than one player and one coach to win games. I'm not taking NE lightly, but you also can't discount the fact that if Adam Vinateri was another kicker New Englnad might not have two of their Superbowl rings.

nyjunc

03-29-2006, 05:51 AM

It takes more than one player and one coach to win games. I'm not taking NE lightly, but you also can't discount the fact that if Adam Vinateri was another kicker New Englnad might not have two of their Superbowl rings.

I agree but Brady is by far the best QB in the game and BB by far the best coach and although they lost some talent(and some of their heart) they still have alot of talent and are still very much a threat.

Mexican Buc

03-29-2006, 10:02 PM

I like it. Great spotlight comming out game for Pep. If Miami wins it will really put them on the map and a huge moral boost that could snowball down right into the playoffs.

If they lose, no biggie. Need to gell arguement and they'll make their run later.

Really should be a fine game. Im excited.

PhinPhan1227

03-29-2006, 10:16 PM

I agree but Brady is by far the best QB in the game and BB by far the best coach and although they lost some talent(and some of their heart) they still have alot of talent and are still very much a threat.

Of course they are a threat...but not the juggernaut they were two years ago. Brady is great because he is clutch...as is Vinatieri. And it was Adam who won two Superbowls, not Tom. As for BB, he is certainly a HOF coach, but he still needs players to win games no matter how good he is. And while it's a homer pick, we might just have his twin brother down here in Miami. Remember, St Nick has never had a losing season, even working with the crap Wanny left him.

nyjunc

03-30-2006, 07:42 AM

Of course they are a threat...but not the juggernaut they were two years ago. Brady is great because he is clutch...as is Vinatieri. And it was Adam who won two Superbowls, not Tom. As for BB, he is certainly a HOF coach, but he still needs players to win games no matter how good he is. And while it's a homer pick, we might just have his twin brother down here in Miami. Remember, St Nick has never had a losing season, even working with the crap Wanny left him.

Brady did set up AV for the 2 GW's and Wanny didn't leave the cupboard bare. They still had alot of talent and outside of QB and Brown the other players were acquired under Wanny and you have alot of good skill position players on O.

JHTJ

03-30-2006, 08:00 AM

Brady did set up AV for the 2 GW's and Wanny didn't leave the cupboard bare. They still had alot of talent and outside of QB and Brown the other players were acquired under Wanny and you have alot of good skill position players on O.Aside from talking Williams out of retirement, getting now HC Linehan and arguably the best O-Line Coach Houck in Miami - Nick acquired Traylor, Holliday, Carter, Spragan, and Shulters - all of whom either started or played significant roles all of last season. Don't forget Daniels and Crowder, who both played very, very well last season.

I see what you're saying though, McMike, Chambers, Booker, and that stellar offensive line were enough in themselves to win 9 games......

nyjunc

03-30-2006, 08:35 AM

Aside from talking Williams out of retirement, getting now HC Linehan and arguably the best O-Line Coach Houck in Miami - Nick acquired Traylor, Holliday, Carter, Spragan, and Shulters - all of whom either started or played significant roles all of last season. Don't forget Daniels and Crowder, who both played very, very well last season.

I see what you're saying though, McMike, Chambers, Booker, and that stellar offensive line were enough in themselves to win 9 games......

I did not say saban didn't do an excellent job last year i just said the cupboard wasn't bare. He had some tools to work w/.