The Knicks Offseason Thread

[RevisCB]

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New Knick. We can't do anything but accept it, so might as well just look at the lad. Thats a nice 3 pointer on 1 minute 26

[FITM]

Worst pick in the world. Should have taken Gordon or Bayless, unless this trade for Augustin goes through.

The Augustin to Bobcats makes no sense, which smells of a UNC reunion. We’re hearing David Lee and someone for Felton another player and next year’s first.

[SettlerDawg]

Gallinari was the best player available, and also fits this team. He's got an all-around offensive game with a good shot. Haven't seen him play defense, but I'm not expecting anything great.

Bayless is a clone, if not a lesser version of Marbury. If we drafted Gordon, where would he play? Crawford is our best player, and he's better than Gordon. Better offensively, and if he tried, would be better defensively.

Gallinari was the only way to go. We're gonna suck for 2 more years, and it makes sense to take a project so that we have a star that Lebron would wanna play with.

[RevisCB]

Worst pick in the world. Should have taken Gordon or Bayless, unless this trade for Augustin goes through.

What trade is that?

[BIG COUNTRY]

I like it, were gonna suck for the next 2 years at least anyways so Im not too worried about this year. Gallinari has a ton of upside and if developed right can become a great player for us, its not like any of the guards available were gonna lead us to the playoffs this year. I dont mind a project whos gonna take some time to develop.

[FITM]

What trade is that?

My fault, misread that last statement.

[EcKo151]

Dude if we trade David Lee for Raymond Felton I'd fall over, UNLESS Crawford/QRich/Randolph is also thrown in. It's one thing to get a #5 pick for Lee...But Felton was taken 5th overall in 05 or 06' and already Charlotte drafted Augustine. I never liked Felton...

I'd go to war with Nate at the point than Felton...

Sorry Pringles, you let me down.

[CP to LC =TD]

Dude if we trade David Lee for Raymond Felton I'd fall over, UNLESS Crawford/QRich/Randolph is also thrown in. It's one thing to get a #5 pick for Lee...But Felton was taken 5th overall in 05 or 06' and already Charlotte drafted Augustine. I never liked Felton...

I'd go to war with Nate at the point than Felton...

Sorry Pringles, you let me down.

I'd be ecstatic if we get Felton for a variety of reasons

1. While Lee is a good hustle player, and you need those to win titles, Felton is a far superior player/talent. Lee has little offensive game.

2. Lee won't be back with is after this upcoming season

3. We don't have a point guard on this roster.

4. I have always liked Felton.

Even if you don't like him he is 10000X the PG Nate is, and is a lot better player than Lee is

[EcKo151]

The only way I would ever trade Lee for an overrated and average at best Felton is if, again, one of the Knicks pathetic contracts are thrown in this deal. I'd rather wait for Ty Lawson, or if Nash opts out after this season(I think), re-unite him with Pringles...

I do see now that Charlotte would throw in next years 1st rounder, which will be high, so I may not be totally against it.

[EcKo151]

So Sportscenter is going through the Top picks and play the pick of Dalino, and the booing...

John Anderson - "Did they just take Kyle Brady again."

Thanks.

[jonnyd]

what the fuck is this place?

[Penning10toColes]

Felton and a future first for Lee (with or without a bad contract) would be pretty damn good...Felton averaged 15 and 7, which is not bad. We're only starting out here, and for now it makes sense to me.

[Royal Tee]

Felton and a future first for Lee (with or without a bad contract) would be pretty damn good...Felton averaged 15 and 7, which is not bad. We're only starting out here, and for now it makes sense to me.

IMO Lee should be a Knick Lifer. Giving up on him without even giving him a shot as a starter and the fact that his Numbers are off the bench is dumb.

I'll be pretty pissed if they trade Lee. So he's gotta work on his Offense a little, who doesn't. He is a workaholic-rebound god which is hard to find in this league and NO DRAFT PICK will replace that.

[Tight]

IMO Lee should be a Knick Lifer. Giving up on him without even giving him a shot as a starter and the fact that his Numbers are off the bench is dumb.

I'll be pretty pissed if they trade Lee. So he's gotta work on his Offense a little, who doesn't. He is a workaholic-rebound god which is hard to find in this league and NO DRAFT PICK will replace that.

Im not sure I understand, your statement.. Lee was a draft pick, so how wont a draft pick replace him...

[Royal Tee]

Im not sure I understand, your statement.. Lee was a draft pick, so how wont a draft pick replace him...

Because what Lee provides is something you don't see drafted.
He hustles and does the dirty work that is rarely seen in a draft pick.
11pts 9reb in 30mpg
He's top 20 in rebounds And remember, thats off the bench...as a starter I see him easily being a top 5 player in rebounds.

[Penning10toColes]

Well, until we find someone to take Zach Randolph, it doesn't matter what Lee's starter numbers would be. We have a gaping hole at point guard and an extra power forward. This is a no brainer. By the way, for someone who hustles, Lee plays atrocious defense; he's a solid rebounder, but he's by no means anything special. Knick fans overrate him after becoming attached to him; getting Felton AND a future #1 would be great.

I almost wondered if some of the Lee love was borderline racist, but decided against it.

[MSUJet85]

The more that I am hearing about the Italian kid the more that I think the pick may be a good one.

[RevisCB]

I'm still going with he will be a bust, and thats after sleeping on it and reading a great deal about him, but hey i hoe I'm wrong.

Now i have seen our pick no way do we send Lee away, he pretty much averaged a Double Double every game and that was with limited minutes, he's the best player on our roster. We need to actually bring in a PG, not a bloody SG who wants to try and play PG but a bonafied PG to run the floor, if we do that before the season then maybe i can accept this pick a little more.

[Penning10toColes]

I'm still going with he will be a bust, and thats after sleeping on it and reading a great deal about him, but hey i hoe I'm wrong.

Now i have seen our pick no way do we send Lee away, he pretty much averaged a Double Double every game and that was with limited minutes, he's the best player on our roster. We need to actually bring in a PG, not a bloody SG who wants to try and play PG but a bonafied PG to run the floor, if we do that before the season then maybe i can accept this pick a little more.
But how exactly do we bring in a quailty PG without giving up quality (Lee) ourselves?

[RevisCB]

If we get Raymond Felton all will be forgiven. He is a brilliant PG, he does things that stats can't show you and you just have to watch him. He runs the florr very well, he is one of the best at coming off the pick and roll, he stretches the floor, drives the lane and finds the open man. You will be hard pushed to find many better in the NBA with his ball handling and visison of the court. His shooting could improve but we want a PG who runs the floor and he has improved in that area, we have scorers, he can find that open man. Defensivly he is sound, he has a high pressure attitude, quick lateral movement, plays hard and plays fast. I would be absolutely delighted if we got this guy and it would make draft night come into focus a little better. If we have to give up Lee, then so be it for a PG general who we have been missing for years.

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[RevisCB]

But how exactly do we bring in a quailty PG without giving up quality (Lee) ourselves?

We can't, its the Curse of Isiah. He brought in players on poor contracts. The only way we can improve is to Swap talent for talent and then wait for the contracts to expire, or hope for a improvement in play.

I read somewhere will post it up if i can find it, that Curry has been really working on his fitness this off season and is actually looking more like the Chicago Curry.

[EcKo151]

Danilo Gallinari will be on at 10:30 with Benigno and Roberts...

[RevisCB]

Danilo Gallinari will be on at 10:30 with Benigno and Roberts...

I'm going to give him a chance, he is a Knick now so will cheer for him like the rest. What do you guys think our starting 5 should be if we stick with the team that we have now?

[EcKo151]

Danilo - "I need to work on EVERYTHING, offense, defense." Nice.

PG - Marbury 28mins. Nate - 20 mins
SG - Jamal Brickford
SF - Q-Rich...Maybe re-uniting with Pringles helps?
PF - Zach Randolph
C - Eddy Curry

Definitely want to see more Wilson Chandler...I doubt Lee is a Knick.

[RevisCB]

Thats the team that i had in mind.... I deffo want to see more Chandler on the Floor,

PG- Marbury-Majority. Nate 6th man
SG- Crawf
SF- Q-Rich (Blakman to come in and play some defense at times)
PF- Lee (He is still here so will slot him in here, if he is gone Chandler)
C- Curry (If he losses a bit of weight and raises fitness levels this could be fine)

I hope we can somehow deal Randolph somewhere, i just dont like his attitude on the court, he seems to give up when things are not going his way. If we deal lee and randolph can we start Danillo in a sort of baptism by fire.

[FITM]

Danilo - "I need to work on EVERYTHING, offense, defense." Nice.

PG - Marbury 28mins. Nate - 20 mins
SG - Jamal Brickford
SF - Q-Rich...Maybe re-uniting with Pringles helps?
PF - Zach Randolph
C - Eddy Curry

Definitely want to see more Wilson Chandler...I doubt Lee is a Knick.

Haha. Same team as last year. Thank god I have the Rangers for the winter.

[Italian Seafood]

Because what Lee provides is something you don't see drafted.
He hustles and does the dirty work that is rarely seen in a draft pick.
11pts 9reb in 30mpg
He's top 20 in rebounds And remember, thats off the bench...as a starter I see him easily being a top 5 player in rebounds.


I agree with you. Trading Lee for a draft pick would have undone all the progress he's made since he's been here. Someone else would benefit from that, the best we could hope for is to draft another guy as good and hope he develops into what Lee is. So why not just keep Lee? What is he, 25?

[RevisCB]

I agree with you. Trading Lee for a draft pick would have undone all the progress he's made since he's been here. Someone else would benefit from that, the best we could hope for is to draft another guy as good and hope he develops into what Lee is. So why not just keep Lee? What is he, 25?

Mainly because we have forwards but we have no real PG on the roster. Only so many forwards can play at any one time, we have Lee, Chandler, Randolph, Balkman, Jefferies, Rose. Lee is the only one who has value and we need a PG in, the closest we have is Marbury which i think most would agree is not the man to lead us forward. If we could keep Lee and bring in a PG then brilliant, unfortunately i don't see any way of doing that. Chandler shows promise so if we could get a good PG in for Lee i would be happy to have Chandler starting.

[EcKo151]

Ya know...I'm watching the pick of Danilo again...F David Stern.

For the previous 5 picks, he says the player right after the "The Supersonics select, Russell Westbrook."

For the Knicks..."The Knicks select...1...2...3...4....5...Danilo Gallinari!."

And he gives this shit eating grin like.."Haha, screw you all, all is good in the NBA if the Lakers are good, you guys can suck for all I care."

Friggin clown.

[Italian Seafood]

Mainly because we have forwards but we have no real PG on the roster. Only so many forwards can play at any one time, we have Lee, Chandler, Randolph, Balkman, Jefferies, Rose. Lee is the only one who has value and we need a PG in, the closest we have is Marbury which i think most would agree is not the man to lead us forward. If we could keep Lee and bring in a PG then brilliant, unfortunately i don't see any way of doing that. Chandler shows promise so if we could get a good PG in for Lee i would be happy to have Chandler starting.


I don't care how many forwards we have, you have to play your best guys and keep your best young guys. It's not about this year anyway. Let Lee start, let some of these guys' contracts dry up and eventually go away. I'd rather be bad this year if it means two years from now we have a contender and we still have Lee as a part of it. Just to get a little better this coming year to me isn't worth getting rid of top young talent. We're trying to accumulate top young talent, not get rid of it.

[Yisman]

Ya know...I'm watching the pick of Danilo again...F David Stern.

For the previous 5 picks, he says the player right after the "The Supersonics select, Russell Westbrook."

For the Knicks..."The Knicks select...1...2...3...4....5...Danilo Gallinari!."

And he gives this shit eating grin like.."Haha, screw you all, all is good in the NBA if the Lakers are good, you guys can suck for all I care."

Friggin clown.

yeah, the pause was very noticeable. Much more than with any other pick.

[EcKo151]

The Knicks are reportedly shopping David Lee, and a trade seems likely now that they have #6 draft pick Danilo Gallinari to fill in at power forward.

The New York Post's Marc Berman believes the Knicks will swap David Lee for a point guard (Raymond Felton, Kyle Lowry or Kirk Hinrich?). They were reportedly on the verge of trading Lee to Memphis for the #5 pick in the draft, but might have changed their minds once Seattle drafted Russell Westbrook.
Source: New York Post
Bye bye Lee...

NO to Hinrich and his big salary.

[FITM]

Bye bye Lee...

NO to Hinrich and his big salary.

Fuck the knicks. I'll go be a fan of whatever team Lee goes to then.

[RevisCB]

I don't care how many forwards we have, you have to play your best guys and keep your best young guys. It's not about this year anyway. Let Lee start, let some of these guys' contracts dry up and eventually go away. I'd rather be bad this year if it means two years from now we have a contender and we still have Lee as a part of it. Just to get a little better this coming year to me isn't worth getting rid of top young talent. We're trying to accumulate top young talent, not get rid of it.

We are accumalating young talent, we have Chandler and Balkman, not ahve the Italian Stalion. We have Nate the great and if we had Felton he is also young. Any PG coming in from the draft needs years. If we trade Lee and bring In Felton we will be below average this year and we things will look up from there. You can have the best army in the world but with no general it's going to struggle. Even with Lee without someone running the floor we wont get better. In my opinion it's the only way to go.

[RevisCB]

Bye bye Lee...

NO to Hinrich and his big salary.

What is Hinrich's salary? he is a pretty good player and is one of the better defensive PG's in the league, but if he has a massive salary i don't want us to touch him.

[EcKo151]

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Yeah screw that. He's signed thru 2011/12...And 08'09 he's set to make $10 million.

FITM...Lee is on his way out bro.

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Check out Randolph's salary for 2010...17 million...How awesome.

[RevisCB]

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Yeah screw that. He's signed thru 2011/12...And 08'09 he's set to make $10 million.

FITM...Lee is on his way out bro.

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Check out Randolph's salary for 2010...17 million...How awesome.

Hinrich is a player who i think could fit this system but the salary is a problem. If there was some way to get rid of Randolphs monster salary i would take Hinrich in a heart beat. Right now out of those 3 mentioned my preference would go

1- Felton
2. Hinrich

Big Gap

3- Lowry

[inSANITy]

Ya know...I'm watching the pick of Danilo again...F David Stern.

For the previous 5 picks, he says the player right after the "The Supersonics select, Russell Westbrook."

For the Knicks..."The Knicks select...1...2...3...4....5...Danilo Gallinari!."

And he gives this shit eating grin like.."Haha, screw you all, all is good in the NBA if the Lakers are good, you guys can suck for all I care."

Friggin clown.

Im pretty sure he was just making sure he pronounced the kids name right

[EcKo151]

Im pretty sure he was just making sure he pronounced the kids name right
Yeah, and I'm sure Isiah would of turned this around.

Stern stuck it to Knicks fans and he wanted it to sink in, saying it so slowly, then smiling after the pick.

[RevisCB]

Yeah, and I'm sure Isiah would of turned this around.

Stern stuck it to Knicks fans and he wanted it to sink in, saying it so slowly, then smiling after the pick.

Stern is a complete and utter ****.

[EcKo151]

Stern is a complete and utter ****.
He is. As long as he has the Lakers in the playoffs and on TV a lot and they're good, that's all he needs. People say the NBA needs the Knicks back to being good, no they don't, the Celtics have a much better history than the Knicks, and you didn't see the NBA crying or needing Boston to be good.

All Stern and the NBA want is for the Lakers to be good...No surprise they approved that Paul Gasol deal for NOTHING.

Screw them.

[RevisCB]

He is. As long as he has the Lakers in the playoffs and on TV a lot and they're good, that's all he needs. People say the NBA needs the Knicks back to being good, no they don't, the Celtics have a much better history than the Knicks, and you didn't see the NBA crying or needing Boston to be good.

All Stern and the NBA want is for the Lakers to be good...No surprise they approved that Paul Gasol deal for NOTHING.

Screw them.

The main reason people see him as a succesful commish is coincidence, he came into the league as commish the same year as Jordon came, that boosted everything to do with the NBA, coverage and merchandise. He has done some good things for the NBA but it seems he loves to see the Knicks down...

[FITM]

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Yeah screw that. He's signed thru 2011/12...And 08'09 he's set to make $10 million.

FITM...Lee is on his way out bro.

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Check out Randolph's salary for 2010...17 million...How awesome.

Yeah, I only became a Knicks fan in 2005 and only watched Knicks games the last two years because of David Lee. I like him as a player, therefore, I'll move to wherever he goes.

[Yisman]

He is. As long as he has the Lakers in the playoffs and on TV a lot and they're good, that's all he needs. People say the NBA needs the Knicks back to being good, no they don't, the Celtics have a much better history than the Knicks, and you didn't see the NBA crying or needing Boston to be good.

All Stern and the NBA want is for the Lakers to be good...No surprise they approved that Paul Gasol deal for NOTHING.

Screw them.

no surprise Isiah's trades were approved. Every one of them was a total rip-off and a disgrace.

[RevisCB]

If we did get Felton, he would be the starting PG. Who would you play at the SG position? would you stay with Crawford in there or would you move Marbury to that SG position. It's just a hyperthetical, just interested to get people's opinions.

[Yisman]

Marbury should only be playing if you're trying to tank.

[RevisCB]

Marbury should only be playing if you're trying to tank.

You know i think Marbury will have a good year, I'm not ready to write him off just yet, as a SG he could havea good season under this system, he is training hard in the off-season.

[17a_tailgater]

actually i think the only player that is nmoved should be randolph.otherwise just stand pat and ride out the 2 expiring contracts.you may be able to move people at the deadline.

[RevisCB]

Eevry passing day i hate Isiah Thomas even more, now that i look and see what a mess this organization is. Why can't we have the days of Houston,Sprewell,Ewing and Camby back.......

[EcKo151]

no surprise Isiah's trades were approved. Every one of them was a total rip-off and a disgrace.
Hah hah hah. I didn't even think of that.

actually i think the only player that is nmoved should be randolph.otherwise just stand pat and ride out the 2 expiring contracts.you may be able to move people at the deadline.
I am rooting like crazy for Randolph to average 22 and 12 before the deadline and ship his sorry ass to somebody to take on that salary. If any team takes that on i'd be shocked, but I hope somebody does.

And on Fraudbury, I don't care if he does well or not...Fact is, he'll be gone after this season and thats 21mil off the books.

If somebody can enlighten me on how the Knicks can unload Curry and or Crawford, let me know!

[17a_tailgater]

Hah hah hah. I didn't even think of that.


I am rooting like crazy for Randolph to average 22 and 12 before the deadline and ship his sorry ass to somebody to take on that salary. If any team takes that on i'd be shocked, but I hope somebody does.

And on Fraudbury, I don't care if he does well or not...Fact is, he'll be gone after this season and thats 21mil off the books.

If somebody can enlighten me on how the Knicks can unload Curry and or Crawford, let me know!

they may unload themselves. both have player options after this season to become free agents.

[Yisman]

they may unload themselves. both have player options after this season to become free agents.

they're greedy SOBs. They're stupid, but I'm sure their agents will tell them that they can't get more on the open market. They'd be nuts to opt out.

[RevisCB]

they're greedy SOBs. They're stupid, but I'm sure their agents will tell them that they can't get more on the open market. They'd be nuts to opt out.

Agreed, even if we sat them all season they would still probably take the option to spite us...:shit:

I'm just waiting to see what Walsh's next move is, no way we go into the season with the team we have.

[17a_tailgater]

they're greedy SOBs. They're stupid, but I'm sure their agents will tell them that they can't get more on the open market. They'd be nuts to opt out.

curry
09/10 $10,500,423
10/11 $11,276,863

crawford
09/10 $9,360,000
10/11 $10,080,000

free agents next year
Andre Iguodala (rookie contract)
Andre Miller
Stephon Marbury
Steve Francis
Malik Rose
Shawn Marion
Mike Bibby
Kevin Martin (rookie contract)
Jorge Garbajosa (rookie contract)
Carlos Boozer (can opt out in 08/09)
Mehmet Okur (can opt out in 08/09)
Gilbert Arenas
Josh Smith (rookie contract)
Al Jefferson (rookie contract)
Emeka Okafor (rookie contract)
Ben Gordon (rookie contract)
Drew Gooden
Allen Iverson
JR Smith (rookie contract)
Rasheed Wallace
Baron Davis
Andris Biedrins (rookie contract)
Elton Brand (player option for 08/09, so could expire 07/08)
Corey Maggette (player option for 08/09, so could expire 07/08)
Shaun Livingston (rookie contract)
Lamar Odom
Kevin Garnett (player option for 08/09, so could expire 07/08)
Jason Kidd
Nenad Krstic
Dwight Howard (rookie contract)
Jameer Nelson (rookie contract)

[17a_tailgater]

2010/2011 free agents

Joe Johnson, Atlanta
Ben Wallace, Chicago
Larry Hughes, Cleveland
Zydrunas Ilgaukas, Cleveland
Josh Howard (Team Option for 2010/2011, very affordable, so unlikely to be free)
Dirk Nowitzki (player option for 2010/2011, for $21,513,524, unlikely to opt out)
Rip Hamilton, Detroit
Al Harrington, Golden State
Stephen Jackson, Golden State
Tracy McGrady, Houston
Rafer Alston, Houston
Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana
Cuttino Mobley, LAC
Tim Thomas, LAC
Kobe Bryant, LAL (player option for 2009/2010, 2010/2011)
Mike Miller, Memphis
Shaquille O'Neal, Miami
Dwayne Wade, Miami
Bobby Simmons, Milwaukee
Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
Charles Villanueva, Milwaukee
Chris Paul, New Orleans
Quentin Richardson, NYK
Jerome James, NYK
Hidayet Turkoglu, Orl
Amare Stoudemire (player option, underpaid)
Steve Nash
Raja Bell
Darius Miles
Brad Miller
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Kenny Thomas
Tim Duncan
Emanuel Ginobili
Ray Allen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Chris Bosh (player option, underpaid)
TJ Ford ($8,500,000 player option, hard to tell if that is a good deal for him or not)
Carlos Boozer (can opt out in 08/09)
Mehmet Okur (can opt out in 08/09)
Deron Williams
Marcus Camby
Marquis Daniels
Andrew Bynum
Udonis Haslem

[RevisCB]

2010/2011 is the year that i expect the Knicks to start making noise again, most of the current team will be history, cap room will be available and hopefully we will have the right pieces for the complete jigsaw.

[RevisCB]

I just saw the interview with Galinari straight after he was picked and i felt sorry for the lad, he was sitting there, the boo's were still ringing and he was just talking about how he is going to play hard, try and help offensively etc. Although i have my doubts over the pick i felt a bit ashamed that they were still booing while he was trying to give a interview, after all it's not his fault that we drafted him.

[Penning10toColes]

I just want to note all this "Stern hates the Knicks" crap is absolutely absurd. He's a New Yorker! He grew up a Knicks fan! Everyone across the country thinks he FAVORS the Knicks, and gave us Ewing. He paused before Galinari because he wanted to make sure he got the name right, that was obvious.

Marbury needs to go. Lee for Felton sounds great to me. I'd be cool with Felton, Crawford, Galinari, Randolph, Curry with Nate, Balkman, and Chandler coming off the bench. If we can unload Randolph or Curry, that'd be cool with me too.

[RevisCB]

I thought Stern grew up in Jersey and is a New Jersey nets fan?

Agreed on the Felton deal though, that would be ideal in my opinion.

[Penning10toColes]

I thought Stern grew up in Jersey and is a New Jersey nets fan?

Agreed on the Felton deal though, that would be ideal in my opinion.
Touche. He was born in NYC, but grew up in Teaneck. And I just checked...he definitely grew up a Knick fan; he said so in an interview with Bill Simmons.

I'd like to finalize my case for the Felton deal: Lee's going to get a big pay day next year that we can't afford if we want LeBron (or Bosh, Wade, etc), so we'd be losing him for nothing, D'Antoni doesn't think he'd fit, and we'd likely get a #1 pick from Charlotte.

[RevisCB]

Look at this team:

PG- Felton
SG- Crawford/Marbury
SF- Q-Rich/ Balkman
PF- Galinari/Randolph/Chandler
C- Curry

I would be happy with that side going into the season. Even more happy if Randolph was gone and it was Galinari and Chandler at the PF position.

[Royal Tee]

The Knicks are reportedly shopping David Lee, and a trade seems likely now that they have #6 draft pick Danilo Gallinari to fill in at power forward.

There is no way in hell he is a Power Forward in the NBA.

He's about 6'8"-220 (Depends on where you read) and they expect him to defend 6-10-250 PF's?

Lee is 240 and can hold any Forward/Center in the league.
D-Gal is not a PF in this League.
They are 2 different types of players.JMO

[Poeman]

There is no way in hell he is a Power Forward in the NBA.

He's about 6'8"-220 (Depends on where you read) and they expect him to defend 6-10-250 PF's?

Lee is 240 and can hold any Forward/Center in the league.
D-Gal is not a PF in this League.
They are 2 different types of players.JMO

hes actually 6'10

I think hes gonna be in the dirk nowitzki mold

[RevisCB]

I think everyone can agree that to handle the PF's in the NBA he is going to have to bulk up a little bit. Not too much however otherwise he will be sluggish in the offensive system.

[FITM]

hes actually 6'10

I think hes gonna be in the dirk nowitzki mold

Says 6'8 on yahoo, espn, knicks website, etc.

[Tight]

There is no way in hell he is a Power Forward in the NBA.

He's about 6'8"-220 (Depends on where you read) and they expect him to defend 6-10-250 PF's?

Lee is 240 and can hold any Forward/Center in the league.
D-Gal is not a PF in this League.
They are 2 different types of players.JMO


Ok now your just being ridiculous.. Hes not that good of a defender I can name 20 players right now that would give lee the business on the offensive side of the ball but I wont, I just want you to know that he cant...

The guy is 6'8 6'9 with a little time in the weight room he can do that right things...

beasley is 6'9 also


Lee is not a franchise player, get over it...

[RevisCB]

The one problem that i have with keeping Lee is that i saw a while ago that his agent said he should be earning 13 mill a year, it was in one of the NY papers, if i find it i will post it up. We can't afford to give him 13 mill when we just drafted a PF and we have a decent one already in Chandler. I'm even less inclined to approve of us giving him 13 million when the area that needs to be addressed is the G position and not the F position. I say we try and make the deal while he still has value, it looks like he will leave anyway and test the FA market so get what we can now (Which seems to be Felton).

[FITM]

Bobcats' Felton appears safe - for now

Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins did his best Friday to pour water on talk out of New York that Raymond Felton would be traded to the Knicks.

Higgins said there was "no truth" to a report in the New York Daily News that the Bobcats might swap Felton for forward David Lee.

Higgins got a lot of questions Friday about whether the Bobcats drafting Texas' D.J. Augustin meant Felton might be ticketed out of town. Higgins said he expects Felton to be this team's starting point guard heading into training camp; that while Augustin is probably ready to be the backup, there'a no reason to assume he'd pass Felton in the rotation anytime soon.

I don't think the Bobcats are looking to ditch Felton, but I'm confident that if the right deal crossed the team's path, Felton is hardly untouchable.

There is still hope for David Lee to remain a Knick. :grin:

[Phyr]

Draftexpress has him at 6'9. Remember he's 19, he could grow an inch or two. I just put on another half inch this year and I'm 22!

[RevisCB]

There is still hope for David Lee to remain a Knick. :grin:

Hinrich is more possible then, I'm sorry to say that if it is not Felton then it will be someone else. I can't see Lee being with us as we head into the new season.

[FITM]

Hinrich is more possible then, I'm sorry to say that if it is not Felton then it will be someone else. I can't see Lee being with us as we head into the new season.

That's fine. I'll look forward to becoming a fan of a different team.

[RevisCB]

That's fine. I'll look forward to becoming a fan of a different team.

Hey, If we get Hinrich you can be a Bulls fan and get to see Rose:beer:

[Poeman]

Says 6'8 on yahoo, espn, knicks website, etc.

maybe i heard he still was growing and was going to reach 6'10...dunno where i got that from

[Penning10toColes]

That's fine. I'll look forward to becoming a fan of a different team.
Wait, seriously? Or is that sarcasm.

[jetophile]

The Knicks offseason? Haha, I mean, wasn't it the offseason during the season?

[FITM]

Wait, seriously? Or is that sarcasm.

Not at all. I actually hate the NBA almost. NHL is my winter sport, but on the occasion that I did watch the NBA, I only watched the Knicks because of David Lee.

[RevisCB]

The Knicks offseason? Haha, I mean, wasn't it the offseason during the season?

We have actually been on a off-season for the last 3 years it seems:shit:

See that Galinari threw out the first pitch at Shea yesterday, anyone see it?

Anyone hear anymore rumours as well about the Lee for a PG?, Walsh apparently got annoyed when he was asked about Lee yesterday:

With the selection of Gallinari, David Lee will continue to be shopped for a point guard, but Walsh got irritated when asked about his status.

"This is Danilo's press conference. This has nothing to do with David."

Gallinari said he will play for Italy's National Team in qualifying tourney that begins Aug. 20 and ends Sept. 20 - 10 days before camp.

[RevisCB]

maybe i heard he still was growing and was going to reach 6'10...dunno where i got that from

I read in a interview today on the post's website i think that even Walsh and Mike were referring to him being 6"10

[Penning10toColes]

Not at all. I actually hate the NBA almost. NHL is my winter sport, but on the occasion that I did watch the NBA, I only watched the Knicks because of David Lee.
That's ridiculous. If David Lee were black, he'd still just be almost as good as Kendrick Perkins, but no one would care. Then again, if Steve Nash were black, he wouldn't have won back to back MVPs. Whatever.

[RevisCB]

That's ridiculous. If David Lee were black, he'd still just be almost as good as Kendrick Perkins, but no one would care. Then again, if Steve Nash were black, he wouldn't have won back to back MVPs. Whatever.

What a load of crap. Nash led the league in assists and led a team who many thought wouldn't even make the play-offs after Stoudemire went down and Q-Rich was traded into the post season. In his first MVP season the Suns were coming off a awfull season but yet Nash helped them to the Post season yet again. Nash is one of the best PG's in the country and to use the race card is just absolutely deluded here.
No-one would care, you been smoking something today?? people care about Lee in accordance to the situation. Hense the situation of the Knicks right now and when you have limited minutes and average a double-double you are going to be highly thought off. If you want to feel better and play the race card go ahead but all credibility in any post you make concerning the NBA will be lost.

[Penning10toColes]

What a load of crap. Nash led the league in assists and led a team who many thought wouldn't even make the play-offs after Stoudemire went down and Q-Rich was traded into the post season. In his first MVP season the Suns were coming off a awfull season but yet Nash helped them to the Post season yet again. Nash is one of the best PG's in the country and to use the race card is just absolutely deluded here.
No-one would care, you been smoking something today?? people care about Lee in accordance to the situation. Hense the situation of the Knicks right now and when you have limited minutes and average a double-double you are going to be highly thought off. If you want to feel better and play the race card go ahead but all credibility in any post you make concerning the NBA will be lost.
What's the difference between Nash in those two seasons and Kidd in his? How come Kidd didn't get the MVP twice, when he led his teams to the finals, no less?

As for Lee, I really do think the attachment by Knick fans to him is odd. People vowing to renounce the team if he's traded? If he were black, true fans would still know how talented he is, but he sticks out being white. I'm not trying to pull an Isiah Thomas ("If Larry Bird was black, he'd be just another player"), but something's up. Why is he such a fan favorite? Have we never had a player who averaged a double double?

Race is a part of basketball. Too many times analysts will talk about how hard a certain white player works, while a black player is just really good. I think David Lee is a very good player, Nash is even better and I'm not trying to take anything away from them, but the public's opinion of them is distorted, I think that's a fact.

I know the NBA, and I don't understand how raising a salient point about race in sports damages my "credibility." So you can stop with that right now.

[RevisCB]

Maybe the point you raised was credible the way in which you did it was not. You can't make a statement like that, racially motivated and not put your reasons for them, although now you have so will take the end bit of my argument back.

David Lee has a great reputation among Knicks fans because he works hard, of course we have had players who average a double-double but we don't always get players who put everything they have into each and every game. Case in point right now..... Lee is such a fan favorite because when he is on the court he is compared to Randolph and Curry who are both very lazy and inconsistent. Not many Knicks fans would renonce the team the only reason he said he will follow another team is because he is a partial fan to the Knicks. No true fan of the Knicks would renounce there support if he was traded. In fact if you look at what i have said in this thread i support the trading of Lee because it is for the best of the Knicks in my opinion.

What years are you referring to in reagrds to Nash and Kidd, Nash's obvious 2 MVP's in 05 and 06. Are you asking why Kidd didn't win it in 05 and 06 or why he didn't win it in 02 and 03?

[Penning10toColes]

Maybe the point you raised was credible the way in which you did it was not. You can't make a statement like that, racially motivated and not put your reasons for them, although now you have so will take the end bit of my argument back.

David Lee has a great reputation among Knicks fans because he works hard, of course we have had players who average a double-double but we don't always get players who put everything they have into each and every game. Case in point right now..... Lee is such a fan favorite because when he is on the court he is compared to Randolph and Curry who are both very lazy and inconsistent. Not many Knicks fans would renonce the team the only reason he said he will follow another team is because he is a partial fan to the Knicks. No true fan of the Knicks would renounce there support if he was traded. In fact if you look at what i have said in this thread i support the trading of Lee because it is for the best of the Knicks in my opinion.

What years are you referring to in reagrds to Nash and Kidd, Nash's obvious 2 MVP's in 05 and 06. Are you asking why Kidd didn't win it in 05 and 06 or why he didn't win it in 02 and 03?
'02 and '03, when he led the Nets to the finals after being traded for Marbury.

You just kind of made my point about Lee. We like him because he works hard...Don't plenty of players? Not Randolph or Curry, but don't the majority of NBA players work hard? Is just playing with a couple lazy players enough to make a hard working player become a fan favorite people swear by?

I should have explained my reasoning, I agree, I was just kind of annoyed at that point. And we agree on the Felton trade, so we'll always have that.

[RevisCB]

'02 and '03, when he led the Nets to the finals after being traded for Marbury.

You just kind of made my point about Lee. We like him because he works hard...Don't plenty of players? Not Randolph or Curry, but don't the majority of NBA players work hard? Is just playing with a couple lazy players enough to make a hard working player become a fan favorite people swear by?

I should have explained my reasoning, I agree, I was just kind of annoyed at that point. And we agree on the Felton trade, so we'll always have that.

It really is the state in which sport is in right now, players don't have to be exceptional to be a fan favorite they jsut have to work hard, we dont have the luxury of having a team who plays hard, if we did maybe Lee would not be a fan favorite, but fan favorites are based on your own team and not the NBA in general. Although i do see what you are saying there. The same can however be said for Balkman, he is a fan favorite because he works hard not because he is exceptionally talented, and he is black so it's not like he sticks out.

Sorry i got confused i thought you were saying why didn't Kidd get the MVP when Nash did. In regards to why Kidd didn't get it i really don't know. Duncan got it both years without leading in any major statistical catergory. I think the case for Kidd is greater for the 03 season where he led the league in assist average.

It's cool, was just a mix up all around. You don't know how delighted i would be if we managed to get Felton, although that is not seeming likely at the minute.

[Barry the Baptist]

I've heard from a member of the media in New York that David Lee to Portland for Steve Blake is a definate possibility. It's unrealistic to think that the Knicks would get anything more than a role player for Lee especially considering he is in he last year of his contract and doesn't fit into to system they are going to play.

[FITM]

That's ridiculous. If David Lee were black, he'd still just be almost as good as Kendrick Perkins, but no one would care. Then again, if Steve Nash were black, he wouldn't have won back to back MVPs. Whatever.

This has nothing to do with race. I didn't start watching the NBA on a regular basis until 2005 anyway. When I saw David Lee, and after watching the rest of that team, nothing kept me watching them except the production of David Lee.

Therefore, if Lee is traded, I will follow him to another team, because the Knicks are simply not that close to me.

I am not a big enough NBA fan to even care about what team wins or not. Like I said, the NHL is my winter sport.

[RevisCB]

I've heard from a member of the media in New York that David Lee to Portland for Steve Blake is a definate possibility. It's unrealistic to think that the Knicks would get anything more than a role player for Lee especially considering he is in he last year of his contract and doesn't fit into to system they are going to play.

If thats the best were going to get at PG then i will say no thanks, and use Lee this season and let him walk. He is a solid passer but not much else, i would rather have the combo of Marbury and nate at the PG position than bring in Blake, can't see how it will help in the slightest.

If Lee wont get us a premier PG we need to package the deal with something else, either another player or a draft pick..... but Steve Blake? No thanks.

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[Yisman]

Ok now your just being ridiculous.. Hes not that good of a defender I can name 20 players right now that would give lee the business on the offensive side of the ball but I wont, I just want you to know that he cant...

The guy is 6'8 6'9 with a little time in the weight room he can do that right things...

beasley is 6'9 also


Lee is not a franchise player, get over it...

Beasley is 6'7. What are you talking about? It was big news when he measured as 3 inches shorter than K-State said he was.

It made sense, too, because the big time scorers are rarely that tall.

[Yisman]

Originally Posted by Penning10toColes
That's ridiculous. If David Lee were black, he'd still just be almost as good as Kendrick Perkins, but no one would care. Then again, if Steve Nash were black, he wouldn't have won back to back MVPs. Whatever.

You're a racist. Just letting you know.

The reason there are Pennington fans is also because he's white, obviously. :rolleyes:

[Penning10toColes]

Originally Posted by Penning10toColes


You're a racist. Just letting you know.

The reason there are Pennington fans is also because he's white, obviously. :rolleyes:
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you're joking, that's kinda funny.

Blake isn't worth Lee, although he's white, which is something! And FITM, I wasn't attacking you or anything, that was a general statement, sorry.

[Italian Seafood]

The Knicks offseason? Haha, I mean, wasn't it the offseason during the season?

We actually got to 2-1 this year, I think, before going off the cliff and being out of contention by Thanksgiving. That's pretty hard to do in the NBA's Eastern Conference and we've managed to be out of it by Christmas most of the time in recent years. That early west coast trip every year does them in, they come home 2-8 and it's over.

[Barry the Baptist]

If thats the best were going to get at PG then i will say no thanks, and use Lee this season and let him walk. He is a solid passer but not much else, i would rather have the combo of Marbury and nate at the PG position than bring in Blake, can't see how it will help in the slightest.

If Lee wont get us a premier PG we need to package the deal with something else, either another player or a draft pick..... but Steve Blake? No thanks.

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The problem is Knick fans (not saying you because I haven't read through 17 pages of this thread) are overestimating the value of Lee. He is a good role player but basing it on his expiring contract , low salary (which is key because salaries have to match) and his lack of being a good fit in the system the Knicks are not going to get a whole lot in return. I'm not saying Steve Blake (when this guy told me this you should have seen my face) is the guy but a guy like him is what the Knicks are going to get in return. Oh and the guy also mentioned that Raymond Felton was also a possiblity... how I don't know.

After watching some video and reading up on Gallinari I'm starting to wish he would have fallen to 10. I'm not thinking this year but I think in a year or 2 once he learns the American game he will be a very good player. He's going to be 6'10 or 6'11 and can shoot an outside shoot. He also looks tough and gritty. I don't think he'll be a superstar but I think he has a real good shot to be a very good player. You have to remember D'Antoni is a primier coach he's not Isiah. He knows how to coach the Italian players and Gallinari is only 19 so he still has alot he can learn. The problem is with guys like Eddy Curry and Marbury on the team it's going to be tough to get a real grip on working hard......

[RevisCB]

The problem is Knick fans (not saying you because I haven't read through 17 pages of this thread) are overestimating the value of Lee. He is a good role player but basing it on his expiring contract , low salary (which is key because salaries have to match) and his lack of being a good fit in the system the Knicks are not going to get a whole lot in return. I'm not saying Steve Blake (when this guy told me this you should have seen my face) is the guy but a guy like him is what the Knicks are going to get in return. Oh and the guy also mentioned that Raymond Felton was also a possiblity... how I don't know.

After watching some video and reading up on Gallinari I'm starting to wish he would have fallen to 10. I'm not thinking this year but I think in a year or 2 once he learns the American game he will be a very good player. He's going to be 6'10 or 6'11 and can shoot an outside shoot. He also looks tough and gritty. I don't think he'll be a superstar but I think he has a real good shot to be a very good player. You have to remember D'Antoni is a primier coach he's not Isiah. He knows how to coach the Italian players and Gallinari is only 19 so he still has alot he can learn. The problem is with guys like Eddy Curry and Marbury on the team it's going to be tough to get a real grip on working hard......

I'm starting to think that i over reacted in saying how bad that draft pick was. I still think he needs to bulk up a little and learn to play just a little bit of defense before i get excited about him....but he will help on the offensive end of the ball, seen some video of him and he has a nice jumper for such a tall man, he can drive to the boards and its possible he could hover towards the Dirk catergory, he wasn't great his first season either. We are not going to compete this year (I Doubt) so get him as much playing time as we can.

On the Lee front i think the contract is the main thing that is biting us in the ass, a lot of teams would like him in taht PF position but i can't say i would of approve of getting rid of him for Blake, much rather keep Lee for the season. On Felton i would probably fly to New York and shake Walsh and Mikes hand if they got this deal done, Felton is a player i have admired for a while and he could really help this tea. I heard that it would possibly be David Lee and a second or first round pick next year.

[RevisCB]

A good article on the Knicks pursuit of a PG:

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One of the names there that is intriguing is Monta Ellis. He is one of my favorite PG's in the league to watch. I never brought him up because i didn't think there was any chance we could get him. He is lightning fast, drives to the basket, has a great eye so will rack up assists, and drives the lane.

Don't see Felton in that article though:sad: Ellis or Felton would be brilliant.

-WpndNCJUAM

[Yisman]

well, he hasn't played the point in the pros, really.

[RevisCB]

He has all the requirements to play in a quick PG orientated system like the Knicks. He is fast, he has good hands, good vision, drives the lane to draw defenders, finds the open man, knows when to take his own shots and when to draw.

[JetsVilma28]

lebron.

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"King of New York"

[Rextasy]

lebron.

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"King of Brooklyn"

Fixed that for you..

[RevisCB]

2010 is going to be one exciting off-season but thats a bit far right now. I would rather us not be a embarrasment on the court this coming year. Bringing in a PG like Felton or Ellis will do that, we wont get in the play-offs but we could play some good ball.

[Tight]

I just watched some highlights of the cock... I like what I see hes tall and long and handles the ball really really well, he goes to the hole and can finish... Now can that translate to the nba who knows, but if it can its a mismatch headache for alot of teams, u go small and throw him in at the 4, and watch him light up... Hes a better version of boris diaw...

[RevisCB]

I think we will have to be really patient with him, can see him struggling for the first few months, and we all know that the NY crowd can turn against you in a heart beat.

[Yisman]

I just watched some highlights of the cock... I like what I see hes tall and long and handles the ball really really well, he goes to the hole and can finish... Now can that translate to the nba who knows, but if it can its a mismatch headache for alot of teams, u go small and throw him in at the 4, and watch him light up...

holy crap...

:rofl: :lol: :breakdance:

This is going to be a fun few years. I can see it already.

[Tight]

holy crap...

:rofl: :lol: :breakdance:

This is going to be a fun few years. I can see it already.


Looking forward to some action huh ? yuck

[Yisman]

dude, you were watching "Highlights of the Cock". I wouldn't talk. I hope you paid off the owner of the video store well. :wink:

This guy is going to provide material day in, day out. What more can you ask for? A good player? This is the Knicks!

[Poeman]

haha The rooster shoe is gonna be a hot seller with the italians

[FITM]

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[RevisCB]

Just been reading a story on nypost.com and its talking about the possibility's and Monta Ellis's agent has said that Monta is interested in the possibility of becoming a Knick. Mike has said how much he admires David Lee but at the same time knows that this is a business and has to move forward.

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[FITM]

Knicks look toward Chris Duhon at point guard to help backcourt

BY MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Monday, June 30th 2008, 7:55 PM

Looking to add a point guard on the cheap, the Knicks went into the start of free agency at 12:01 a.m. Monday targeting Chris Duhon, who has been a backup with the Bulls during his first four NBA seasons.

The Knicks are expected to offer Duhon a two-year deal worth roughly half of the mid-level exception, totaling around $6 million, according to NBA sources. A playmaker who has struggled with his shooting going all the way back to his days at Duke, Duhon averaged 5.8 points on 39% last season for the Bulls.

"Our backcourt could be a little thin right now," Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni said. "We could get some help there, no doubt."

The Knicks are interested in Sacramento's Beno Udrih, but he wants a five-year deal. The Knicks don't want to add anything to their cap beyond July 2010, when LeBron James and other marquee players can become free agents.

[RevisCB]

Knicks look toward Chris Duhon at point guard to help backcourt

BY MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Monday, June 30th 2008, 7:55 PM

Looking to add a point guard on the cheap, the Knicks went into the start of free agency at 12:01 a.m. Monday targeting Chris Duhon, who has been a backup with the Bulls during his first four NBA seasons.

The Knicks are expected to offer Duhon a two-year deal worth roughly half of the mid-level exception, totaling around $6 million, according to NBA sources. A playmaker who has struggled with his shooting going all the way back to his days at Duke, Duhon averaged 5.8 points on 39% last season for the Bulls.

"Our backcourt could be a little thin right now," Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni said. "We could get some help there, no doubt."

The Knicks are interested in Sacramento's Beno Udrih, but he wants a five-year deal. The Knicks don't want to add anything to their cap beyond July 2010, when LeBron James and other marquee players can become free agents.

I would quite like it if we signed him, i could tick off the general from my wish list. He has good defense, good vision on the court, brings everyone into play, also can hit the 3's from behind the line. He has the potential to take over games if he is needed to as well, anyone remember the Bulls v Warriors game where he scored around 30 points. Would prefer Ellis or Felton but would like to see Duhon here.

[FITM]

Chris Paul's agent has confirmed that the Hornets point guard will finalize a 4-5 year contract extension on Wednesday.

There's one less player available for the 2010 offseason.

[Yisman]

you couldn't exactly expect the Hornets not to re-sign him.

[Barry the Baptist]

Wow I've heard from several of my so called Boston friends that the Celtics have offered a contract to Corey Maggette. This could be really bad for the Knicks, Nets and whoever else roots for a team in the Eastern Conference.

I also heard that had Baron Davis not signed with the Clippers there was a possibilty of a trade between them and the KNicks with Jamal Crawford going to LA for Cuttino Mobley.

[17a_tailgater]

knicks offered chris duhon a 2 year 7 million offer he cant sign till july 9th

[RevisCB]

There is supposed to be a few other teams that are interested and are willing to offer longer deals so even though he fits the system i wouldn't say this is done just yet. Like i said earlier, i would prefer others but i wouldn't mind having him in. He handles the ball well and the assist-turnover ratio of 4:1 is something that is important in this offense.

[RevisCB]

Chris Duhon will reportedly decided today whether he is going to sign with the Knicks or the Magic, although he cant sign for another 5 days. We have also enquired about Lue and Telfair.

[17a_tailgater]

ill take duhon over those other 2 just b/c he went to duke

[RevisCB]

I don't want Telfair anywhere near here, has there been a year that he has been in the NBA that he has not had legal issues? He is a walking legal issue and we don't need that negative attention around the club right now. Lue has started about 30 games in the last 3 years. Duhon is the best option there for me, although i still hope we work something out for Monta Ellis.

Eddie House is supposed to be interesting Mike at the minute.

[RevisCB]

Duhon is supposed to be waiting for Orlando to make a offer because he is not that impressed with the 2 year offer that the Knicks put on the table...

[RevisCB]

Duhon signs with the Knicks

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[TommyGreen]

I'd love to see what he can do as a starter. I hope this means Marbury is gone for good.

[17a_tailgater]

keep marbury never know what can happen at trade deadline.

[MSUJet85]

keep marbury never know what can happen at trade deadline.

Trading Marbury = No Lebron in 2010

[17a_tailgater]

Trading Marbury = No Lebron in 2010

unless you package him with say a randolph for a very expensive player whose contract ends in 2 years or a buyout ala kenyon martin

[MSUJet85]

unless you package him with say a randolph for a very expensive player whose contract ends in 2 years or a buyout ala kenyon martin

I don't think any team is in the position to be able to match salaries with both Randolph and Marbury in a deal

[17a_tailgater]

I don't think any team is in the position to be able to match salaries with both Randolph and Marbury in a deal

shaq but that is not a possiblility.

[Italian Seafood]

Doesn't Marbury come off our cap after this season? Why not just ride it out, we've come this far. This is the mistake they made with Ewing--one more year and $18 million would have come off the cap. This is how we originally got into this mess, we've been trading bad money for worse money ever since. And Ewing played his last year in Orlando for $2 million. He could have retired a Knick and we could have saved $16 million in cap space.

[Mr Electric]

Trading Marbury = No Lebron in 2010

I'm sorry to break the news, but Lebron's going to the Nets.

I just hope this Duhon signing pays off.

[RevisCB]

Doesn't Marbury come off our cap after this season? Why not just ride it out, we've come this far. This is the mistake they made with Ewing--one more year and $18 million would have come off the cap. This is how we originally got into this mess, we've been trading bad money for worse money ever since. And Ewing played his last year in Orlando for $2 million. He could have retired a Knick and we could have saved $16 million in cap space.

Agreed, he is in his last year of his contract so he will be off our books come next season, so we might as well keep him and see what he can do. If he has been training as hard as he says he has he should be in top condition when he comes back. I'm looking forward to the competition in that area. The only way Marbury is not on the Knicks come the start of the season is if we buy him out, which i don't see happening.

[RevisCB]

I'm sorry to break the news, but Lebron's going to the Nets.

I just hope this Duhon signing pays off.

Why is he going to the Nets? because of the Brooklyn comment? as far as i understand it they haven't even tied up the deal for brooklyn yet. He said his friendship with Jay-Z wont be a factor as well. It ordipends who puts the best offer on the table, not only in terms of salary but in terms of supporting cast.

[17a_tailgater]

they have not even started that arena.no way its done in 2 years from now.

[inSANITy]

Why is he going to the Nets? because of the Brooklyn comment? as far as i understand it they haven't even tied up the deal for brooklyn yet. He said his friendship with Jay-Z wont be a factor as well. It ordipends who puts the best offer on the table, not only in terms of salary but in terms of supporting cast.

and the fact that their team is gonna be really good and had an awesome draft

[RevisCB]

and the fact that their team is gonna be really good and had an awesome draft

Nobody can predict how players are going to do in the NBA, all there draft picks could be absolute busts, nobody knows, people are acting like it is done and dusted, when in fact it is noway near.

[Italian Seafood]

Rod Thorn running the Nets is a better selling point than Jay-Z or the Brooklyn thing. But MSG is still MSG and there is only one, even Jordan attested to that. So the Knicks have two years to get their books in order and develop a pulse, hopefully with competent management they can do that. You'd like to have a Plan B and not put all the eggs in the Lebron basket, but it's something to shoot for for now. Unless we pull a Boston and put a team together overnight, which is highly unlikely.

[17a_tailgater]

Rod Thorn running the Nets is a better selling point than Jay-Z or the Brooklyn thing. But MSG is still MSG and there is only one, even Jordan attested to that. So the Knicks have two years to get their books in order and develop a pulse, hopefully with competent management they can do that. You'd like to have a Plan B and not put all the eggs in the Lebron basket, but it's something to shoot for for now. Unless we pull a Boston and put a team together overnight, which is highly unlikely.

unless kiki does a mchale and gives us carmelo and camby for curry and qrich

[Italian Seafood]

unless kiki does a mchale and gives us carmelo and camby for curry and qrich

It's only fair after dummy Layden gave them Camby and Nene for McDyess. Layden should get credit for rebuilding the Nuggets.

[17a_tailgater]

It's only fair after dummy Layden gave them Camby and Nene for McDyess. Layden should get credit for rebuilding the Nuggets.

and then extended mcdyss before he even had a chance to break his knee cap in a preseason game

[Italian Seafood]

and then extended mcdyss before he even had a chance to break his knee cap in a preseason game

I think one reason I was more tolerant of Isiah than most Knick fans is that I was just happy to be rid of Layden. I hated him runnng the Knicks with every fiber of my being. He did nothing, said nothing, drafted nobody and when he finally made a couple moves they were disasters. If his daddy wasn't Frank Layden he wouldn't even be in basketball. Isiah was a disaster too, but at least he had some players' respect for having been a great player himself, he drafted some good guys and tried stuff, even if it didn't work out.

[MSUJet85]

I'm sorry to break the news, but Lebron's going to the Nets.

I just hope this Duhon signing pays off.

I'll believe it when I see it (i.e. Nets going to Brooklyn) They have been talking about that for what seems like a decade with nothing done. To me it is the equivalent of the WSS.

[Italian Seafood]

I'll believe it when I see it (i.e. Nets going to Brooklyn) They have been talking about that for what seems like a decade with nothing done. To me it is the equivalent of the WSS.

If I'm not mistaken, that's the exact same spot where Walter O'Malley wanted to build Dodger Stadium in the 50s. NYC can't get out of their own way, how is Ground Zero coming along? Oh yeah...

[RevisCB]

So we inked Duhon to the 2 year deal, and I'm slightly worried about his night life antics, now in New York he is hardly expected to settle down.

Also there seems to be increased reports that Marbury might be bought out which would be a mistake in my opinion with only Robinson and Mardy back there, would be a lot more understandable if we had say i dont know Monta Ellis lined up for a sign and trade.

[RevisCB]

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Why are we not doing this? get him out of here, not many teams are going to come knocking for Randolph. I don't want anything but the salary cap relief, we have some forwards on this team that can play ball. I'm all for getting rid of Randolph and not receiving much, his contract is crazy.

[EcKo151]

I guess the main thing I grabbed is that Pringles thinks Z-Bo can bust out in this offense and further increase his value for a better offer...

Though if you ask me, I say dump him to Los Angeles now.

[Royal Tee]

Don't know if some of you guys watch it but Nate ripped it up last year and he ended up having a Solid season.

A good chance for Knick fans to see some guys in action although some of the play gets ugly at times because it's pretty much a tryout for the Knicks.

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[RevisCB]

Always watch the summer league, gives you a good look at the young guys and fringe players, and well its basketball.

Watched the game today and was impressed with...........................the defense. Who knew we could play it, we won the game 97-94 but thats not important, we really hustled on defense, boxed out well, got in there faces and i can't remember many shots by the Cavs that didn't have a hand in there face. Very impressed with the team overall, the offense was good, transitioned nicely, moved the ball well, nice to see us not waiting around and walking the ball up, we're spriting up. Brilliant

Gallinari, first look this season and it really was a game of 2 halfs. He was god awfull in the first half, didn't score a point, made stupid fouls, took bad shots and he might as well of stayed up on offense as he did nothing on defense, people breezed passed him. However in the second he got his game going, took nice shots, sweet jumpers from all over, blocked a coupel shots, and made it a lot more difficult, he spotted up players well. Good second half, made me more confident in him, first was probably down to nerves and such.

Chandler was the main man tonight, absolutely superb, high scorer with around 26 i think. Really performed like we know he can. Balkman played great defense as usual and i counted 4 Blocked shots and relentless hustling. Roberson looked good, not sure where he came from, heard he was a D-League/NBA guy, he had 22 points and he looked dangerous, looking forward to getting another look at him.

Overall good game, a good starting points, still lots to work on but its early, we have a good foundation.

Also nice to hear Crawford,Q-Rich and Marbury who all joined the guys in the booth to talk all things Knicks.

[Poeman]

marbury doesnt belong anywhere near these guys

[RevisCB]

Out of the players that we are trying to trade i would rather keep Marbury at least his contract ends after this year, Z-Bo,Curry all have massive contracts that we need to get rid of.

[hazmat]

Why is Marbury even allowed on the bench? Get that pos out of here already.

[Yisman]

I think one reason I was more tolerant of Isiah than most Knick fans is that I was just happy to be rid of Layden. I hated him runnng the Knicks with every fiber of my being. He did nothing, said nothing, drafted nobody and when he finally made a couple moves they were disasters. If his daddy wasn't Frank Layden he wouldn't even be in basketball. Isiah was a disaster too, but at least he had some players' respect for having been a great player himself, he drafted some good guys and tried stuff, even if it didn't work out.

by "stuff", do you mean harassing females and being a racist? :lol:

What made Isiah worse is that he ran the team longer, his teams won even less, he raised the payroll a tremendous amount, and he gave every crappy player he acquired a long term big money contract, screwing the Knicks for the next five years.

Oh, and Isiah had already shown he was totally inept before the Knicks hired him. Everything he touched turned to $hit.

He's the most incompetent sports executive I have ever seen. It's not even close. About "trying things": Like I said repeatedly, the Knicks would've been better off with a monkey flinging poop at the walls all day than Isiah. Isiah got the franchise in legal trouble, raised the payroll every year, and made the team worse and worse, trading for losers and giving them huge long term deals. If the Knicks had that monkey, contracts would've been allowed to expire.

[17a_tailgater]

knicks just signed Anthony Roberson PG
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[RevisCB]

He was impressive in his first game and wasn't bad tonight either. Not a expensive deal and gives us something off the bench, the guy can score.

I would release James, total bust, 5 minutes he played last season the bum. I hope we are still looking for back court help through a trade

[EcKo151]

Sports Illustrated reporter Ian Thomsen has reported new details about the Clippers defunct trade proposal for Zach Randolph.
"In addition to Randolph," Thomsen writes, "they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no." This is seemingly a very one-sided trade, but as Newsday's Alan Hahn points out, "to get out from under the Zach Randolph contract you have to do creative things." The Knicks have been quiet this summer, but we still don't expect Randolph to finish the season in New York.
Source: Newsday
Sweet. :up:

[RevisCB]

Can't wait to see the back of Randolph, but that was a high price to pay, like them i can't see him being here at the end of the season.

[AMJets]

Does anyone know if the Knicks have their 1st round pick next year?

[FITM]

Does anyone know if the Knicks have their 1st round pick next year?

They do, but they don't.

I think the '09 first went to the Phoenix Suns in the Marbury, but was sent to the Jazz. It's protected if the Knicks are in the top 22, but goes unprotected in 2010. Not sure if that means protected for the Suns or for the Knicks however.

And the 2nd-round pick goes to Chicago for Curry trade.

[AMJets]

They do, but they don't.

I think the '09 first went to the Phoenix Suns in the Marbury, but was sent to the Jazz. It's protected if the Knicks are in the top 22, but goes unprotected in 2010. Not sure if that means protected for the Suns or for the Knicks however.

And the 2nd-round pick goes to Chicago for Curry trade.

Figures Isiah had to make it complicated.

[Italian Seafood]

I was in Vegas but didn't see any summer league action until I got home and caught the last couple of games. Last year I went to one. Chandler looked good, I didn't get to see the Italian kid play. Leave it to the Knicks to travel around the world to find a 19-year-old with a bad back.

[FITM]

K-Berg: Balkman on the outs?

Check out my man K-Berg's blog for more details and of course check the print edition in the morning. Nothing imminent, but Berger heard on Sunday about talks between the Knicks and Denver Nuggets that involve Renaldo Balkman going to the Rocky Mountains in exchange for guard Taurean Green and forward Bobby Jones.

Though Green is a young PG with potential as a floor general, it's been suggested to me by someone in the know that both Green and Jones would likely be waived. If the trade went through as is, the Knicks would wind up with 17 contracts, two over the limit. But both Green and Jones are on one-year, non-guaranteed contracts that are easily waived with no salary cap hit.

Balkman has just one year left on his rookie deal ($1,320,960) with a team option of $2,036,920 for 2009-10.

We discussed it during the summer league here and I guess it rings true: Balkman seems like the odd man out here in the new regime, especially with the emergence of Wilson Chandler and the arrival of Danilo Gallinari. Balkman is a tremendous athlete who can play a decent energy/defense role off the bench. But I don't believe he has the basketball IQ to be successful in D'Antoni's offense. It may seem like a lot of running and shooting, but there is a great deal of thinking, anticipation and reaction that has to be done in order for it to work properly. You could see just in some practices and summer league games that Balkman was having trouble grasping it.

From the July 17th Blog: "Farewell to Vegas..."

His energy and athleticism are valuable assets, but Balkman might actually struggle in the D'Antoni philosophy because of one skill he hasn't yet developed: thinking the game. Renaldo is one of my favorite characters on this team -- you all know his Aw man, crazy is an all-time best quote -- but I've documented here before my concerns about his focus and mental approach to being an NBA player. Rey is a terrific athlete and clearly keeps himself in outstanding shape, which is a credit to his work ethic. But after spending the past few days watching Phil Weber install a few offensive sets that will be the foundation of what the Knicks do this season, it's quite apparent that if you can't think quickly, adjust on the fly and read what's happening on the floor, you're going to struggle here.

Again, the deal isn't done and it sounds like Donnie is involved in a lot of different discussions. This is one of a few, but one that makes sense.

It's essentially a way to dump Balkman's salary and cut the roster back down to the maximum 15 contracts after the signing of Anthony Roberson. Obviously there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to getting closer to cap compliance. As I said to a person I chatted with tonight who has some intimate knowledge of this potential trade, this kind of deal is very much nickel-and-dime compared to what really needs to get done.

He replied, "Maybe, but on the upside, it's something."

Yes. The hundred million dollar journey begins with one step.

[Yisman]

the Knicks will have the 1st round pick for 2009, because they suck.

The 2010 pick will go the Jazz, as I said earlier in the thread. Second 1st rounder from the Marbury deal. Isiah was brilliant.

BTW, Balkman is one of the only decent players on the roster. Dumping him because he doesn't fit the scheme makes no sense. Trade him, in that case. He might bring back some value. More than Randolph, Curry, Jeffries, fat guy, or Marbury would, that's for sure.

[FlashGordon]

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The Knicks and Nuggets have completed a trade that will send forward Renaldo Balkman to the Nuggets for guards Taurean Green and Bobby Jones.
Jones and Green are expected to be released by the Knicks, while Balkman figures to be a nice fit for the Nuggets, who are still trying to replace the rebounding and defense lost when Marcus Camby was handed to the Clippers. The Knicks will save $1.32 million in cap space next year in the deal.



So basically Balkman for the Nuggets 2010 second rounder. I would've expected Balkman to be one of the few who stayed for a while, but I'm certainly not upset he's leaving. Too many missed layups for my taste.

[Italian Seafood]

Sounds like a move to free up $2 million cap space. The players coming back won't stay and a second round draft choice isn't a big deal in the NBA. Walsh has his work cut out for him, let him do it and see what happens.

[RevisCB]

Balkman didn't really fit this team, sure he is high energy but you need to be high energy with intelligence on ball distribution which is something he doesn't really have. With him gone however our defense this season is even worse if that was possible.

[Italian Seafood]

I don't think we're done yet, it's July.

[FITM]

Despite all the changes in management, I still have absolutely no desire to watch this team or sport.

[Italian Seafood]

Despite all the changes in management, I still have absolutely no desire to watch this team or sport.

Well, thanks for dropping in to tell us.

[Yisman]

Balkman trade was not a good one.

[Yisman]

The Cock has not been getting much action of late.

[BlairThomas#1]

The Cock has not been getting much action of late.

There was a story on him during one of the US games about him withdrawing from the Italian team. I forget why...I don't think it was an injury,

[RevisCB]

It was an injury BT, he hurt his back in summer league and he said that it still wasn't feeling great, so he decided to pass on the Olympics and work to getting ready for the season. It's going to be a lot of work as well. Can't say as i am looking forward to watching this team much this year, i will because thats what you do but it's going to be another looonnggg season if we don't make any more changes.

[BlairThomas#1]

The Knicks traded FREDERICK WEIS to the Rockets for Patrick Ewing Jr.

I am liking Donnie Walsh...he is trying get rid of all the trash from the Layden / Thomas eras.

NEW YORK - The New York Knicks acquired Patrick Ewing Jr. in a trade with the Houston Rockets on Friday.

New York sent the draft rights for center Frederic Weis to Houston in exchange for the son of former superstar Patrick Ewing, who played for the Knicks from 1985-2000.

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[jgangstahippie7:18]

There has also been rumors of a Zach Randolph for Darko Millic

[rillo]

There has also been rumors of a Zach Randolph for Darko Millic

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[jgangstahippie7:18]

Cause Lee>Zach and the Knicks could get a first rounder

[rillo]

Cause Lee>Zach and the Knicks could get a first rounder

First rounder for who?

[EcKo151]

Patrick Ewing Jr.!!!!!!!

I love his effort, hopefully can be a solid bench guy.

[Royal Tee]

I don't understand the Zach hate. This is the Only guy who is consistent. The guy is a Solid player.

[Tight]

2. Stephon Marbury New York
$21,937,500

Number 1 under K.G

Now even in his prime, did he deserve this ? Who's his agent !???

[Yisman]

he didn't need a good agent when you consider who was on the other side of the negotiating table.

[EcKo151]

Source: Knicks suggest dealing Randolph to Memphis

By Andrew Marchand
ESPN.com

The Knicks have a trade proposal on the table with the Memphis Grizzlies that would see Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric dealt to New York in exchange for Zach Randolph.

An executive with knowledge of the trade talks said Friday that Knicks president Donnie Walsh initiated the Randolph-to-Memphis talks with the Grizzlies recently and it's up to Walsh to sign off on the deal. But it appears Walsh has cooled to the idea of trading his player, the executive said.

A Knicks spokesman declined comment Friday.

Milicic is reportedly owed $14.5 million over the next two seasons, and Jaric will make $21.3 million the next three seasons. The Knicks want to trade Randoph because his contract runs through 2010-11. He will be paid nearly $48 million over those three seasons.

The move would help the Knicks with their salary cap. It has been widely perceived that their goal is get under the cap before the summer of 2010 so they can make a run at LeBron James and other high-profile free agents who will hit the market that offseason.

Andrew Marchand is the managing editor of 1050 ESPN Radio in New York.
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Do it!!

[Learn To Swim]

Darko and Marco, the buddy-cop team of European busts.

Trading for Jaric means trading for his wife, though. And speaking of busts...

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[EcKo151]

I'd hit it.

[Italian Seafood]

The Knicks traded FREDERICK WEIS to the Rockets for Patrick Ewing Jr.

I am liking Donnie Walsh...he is trying get rid of all the trash from the Layden / Thomas eras.

NEW YORK - The New York Knicks acquired Patrick Ewing Jr. in a trade with the Houston Rockets on Friday.

New York sent the draft rights for center Frederic Weis to Houston in exchange for the son of former superstar Patrick Ewing, who played for the Knicks from 1985-2000.

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I saw this, that's great. Who knew we even still had the rights to Fredric Weis, let alone were able to get a live player for him. If nothing else I like the symbolism of the deal. Patrick said he can wear #33 if he sticks.

[Poeman]

Were now in the Euro phase of bball...

if we pull this trade off... were going into the season with Marco, Darko, Danillo.....

[Yisman]

I'd hit it.

I was thinking maybe you'd post that pic for your call girl.

[EcKo151]

I was thinking maybe you'd post that pic for your call girl.
That's what you get for thinking.

[Italian Seafood]

Ewing was inducted into the Hall of Fame last night. I never realized how low-key and under the radar basketball keeps their Hall of Fame inductions. Baseball and football make a week-long TV series out of theirs. Pat Riley was also inducted.

[TommyGreen]

The Darko/Marko deal is pretty much done, as I hear Walsh is just negotiating the terms right now.

I'm going to like the new Euro-Knicks look.

[Poeman]

any way you look at it..its a great deal

we trade for Adriana Lima

[EcKo151]

Stephon Marbury is expected to be waived by the Knicks by the end of the week.
Don't be surprised to see him land in Miami, where he could/should start at point guard. He'll go late in your draft, but with guys like Dwyane Wade, Shawn Marion and Michael Beasley at his disposal, he'll likely end up being a value pick in fantasy leagues. Sep. 23 - 1:07 am et
Source: Newsday.com

[CleanFernandez]

Stephon Marbury is expected to be waived by the Knicks by the end of the week.
Don't be surprised to see him land in Miami, where he could/should start at point guard. He'll go late in your draft, but with guys like Dwyane Wade, Shawn Marion and Michael Beasley at his disposal, he'll likely end up being a value pick in fantasy leagues. Sep. 23 - 1:07 am et
Source: Newsday.com

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yea i saw that last night but it says in this article that marbury is reporting to camp next week. And they probably will sign Allan Houston which im excited about

[CleanFernandez]

knicks sign Allan Houston

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[Italian Seafood]

So Allan Houston is healthy and this Italian kid isn't. Wonderful. This is starting to look like every other Knicks camp this decade, no rhyme or reason.

[Italian Seafood]

The Italian kid is looking like he won't play at all in camp and therefore be a non-factor. For all Isiah sucked at, he drafted good guys. Now we're back to these Eurostiffs that never play a game. Great lottery pick there.

[Italian Seafood]

Encouraging article on Marbury, although he appears to have gotten a tattoo on his head.

STEPH OKS BENCH ROLE


By MARC BERMAN

October 7, 2008

Sounding unusually contrite and un-Starbury-like, Stephon Marbury said last night he'll be happy to come off the bench this season and promised he won't cause a "distraction" if Chris Duhon is named the starting point guard.

One day after predicting he would be the opening-night starter and one week after he said he would be OK if the KnicksNew York Knicks cut him, Marbury backed off after an epiphany following yesterday's practice.

Marbury said he's been wrestling with this issue for several days on whether he could live with being a reserve for the first time in his career and playing shooting guard.

"I don't want to go through any more distractions," Marbury told The Post. "I want all of us to concentrate on winning and not if I'm going to start or not. I want us to be able to go forward. If the Knicks want me to come off the bench, that's what I'm going to do. I just want to win a championship in New York because we as New Yorkers deserve a chip."

Marbury said he had no conversations with Knicks brass and was not speaking under pressure from management. Indications are Mike D'Antoni is leaning toward starting Duhon and having Marbury in a sixth-man role, off the ball. The Knicks open their preseason schedule tomorrow in Toronto.

A showdown between Marbury and management potentially was in the offing if Duhon were named starter before the regular season. Marbury and Isiah Thomas warred famously last November when Thomas benched him for Mardy Collins on the Phoenix road trip that turned into the beginning of the end.

Though Marbury is the more prolific scorer and more talented player, D'Antoni apparently sees Duhon as the better fit as the floor general running a high-tempo attack.

"I don't feel Duhon should have to go through that," Marbury said last night. "I don't feel D'Antoni should have to go through that. I don't want to go through another year of distractions. I just want to kill it now."

Knicks president Donnie Walsh is against waiving Marbury, though D'Antoni is concerned whether Marbury will be the consummate team player he demands of his rotation guys. There's an undercurrent among the players Marbury has become too self-absorbed in recent years.

In what appeared to be an apology to his mates who feel that way, Marbury said, "Jamal Crawford is right. No one person is better than the organization. I have faith in us playing better than the last two, three years."

Marbury, 31, in the best shape of his career, has been hurt by suggestions his teammates don't want him around. In fact, he has asked several of them during training camp if they had a problem with him. Marbury hasn't received any negative responses.

"I know how sweet it would be if we ever win a championship in New York, or even how sweet it would be going to the playoffs," he said. "I love New York with everything I've got."

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[Italian Seafood]

They won a pre-season game at Boston last night. Patrick Ewing Jr got in at the end, had a dunk and a steal. I hope he makes the team, that would be fun. Nate looks awesome, so does Chandler. They are still paying Isiah, they should let him run the drafts from now on. So far Walsh is 0-1 and he had the highest pick we've had since Ewing Sr.

[17a_tailgater]

we should have traded that pick away with randolph for a future pick or picks

[Gator]

I don't know if you can win it all with Nate. Even if he is a good player and they become a good team, what happens if they play a team in a playoff series with two tall guards? How can Nate guard a 6-5 guy, for example? That's the kind of matchup that gets exposed and can become the deciding factor when you play the same team 4-7 times in a row. Has any team that had a Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Nate Robinson type ever won a title?

[Royal Tee]

I don't know if you can win it all with Nate. Even if he is a good player and they become a good team, what happens if they play a team in a playoff series with two tall guards? How can Nate guard a 6-5 guy, for example? That's the kind of matchup that gets exposed and can become the deciding factor when you play the same team 4-7 times in a row. Has any team that had a Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Nate Robinson type ever won a title?
Good point but Nate is a better defender than those guys. Although I believe Bogues was always amongst the tops in steals when he played.

It's one of those situations where you have to see if it's liability. IOW, give it a shot.

[PinPointPenning10]

They won a pre-season game at Boston last night. Patrick Ewing Jr got in at the end, had a dunk and a steal. I hope he makes the team, that would be fun. Nate looks awesome, so does Chandler. They are still paying Isiah, they should let him run the drafts from now on. So far Walsh is 0-1 and he had the highest pick we've had since Ewing Sr.

A little early for saying he's 0-1. no?

[Yisman]

well, season is almost upon us. I haven't heard much about The Cock. Any updates?

[Italian Seafood]

A little early for saying he's 0-1. no?

It's just my inner-champ talking.

[rillo]

well, season is almost upon us. I haven't heard much about The Cock. Any updates?

When rookie Danilo Gallinari arrived in the U.S. for the first time in June, he envisioned playing under the bright lights of Broadway as a Knick. Gallinari may indeed be headed for bright lights, but of a different kind - the neon of Reno, Nev. Mike D'Antoni acknowledged for the first time publicly the Italian Stallion could be sent in November to the Reno Big Horns - the Knicks' NBA Developmental League affiliate - for a rehab assignment.

Great News....

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[Royal Tee]

Great News....

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Thats ridiculous. He was supposed to be Polished enough. Then again, doesn't everyone go to Vegas to get Polished :wink:

But seriously. He should be running with the Club and learning as he goes unless they just feel he's better off actually Playing than sitting down waiting for a blowout which will never come and "learning"

[Yisman]

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[Tight]

Look out for Nate, looks like hes going to do pretty well in this new system..

[matt robinson 17]

Cut Patrick Ewing Jr. today...

[Poeman]

horrible horrible decision...what a dumbass walsh

[Italian Seafood]

The fucking Knicks. Can't they do one little thing for their fans at any time ever? Is there a less important role in sports right now than the Knicks' 12th man? They couldn't let us have some good karma come back, make everybody happy and have this kid on the team at least to open a new era? It's not like he can't play, he came in the other night and was dunking on people, hit a three from the corner, blocked a shot. They kept Roberson who shoots threes, that's great. If he was such a dead on shooter he wouldn't be a 12th man. They make a nice move by unloading the rights to Fredric Weis for Ewing Jr, it just made you feel good, then they waive him. I don't understand it. And they keep this Italian kid who hasn't played a minute yet.

[17a_tailgater]

why didnt they waive jerome james???

i read he may not play a minute this year b/c of his injuries? or whatever.

so if you are gonna pay him just pay him and release him and keep ewing jr

Starters

PG duhon
SG crawford
SF chandler
C lee
PF randolph

Bench
G marbury
G robinson
G collins

F richardson
F jeffries
F rose

C curry

Street Clothes
G Roberson
F Galinari
C James

[matt robinson 17]

they keep this Italian kid who hasn't played a minute yet

Why did they draft him? Because it was his friend's son?

[Italian Seafood]

Why did they draft him? Because it was his friend's son?

I don't know but it's looking like a bad move. You'd think a team as bad as the Knicks drafting #6 could find a guy who can at least get on the floor for us and do something. It's not like we didn't need anybody. He's making Vernon Gholston at #6 look like a steal.

[TheNatureBoy]

Anyone going to the game tomorrow night?

[matt robinson 17]

The fucking Knicks. Can't they do one little thing for their fans at any time ever? Is there a less important role in sports right now than the Knicks' 12th man? They couldn't let us have some good karma come back, make everybody happy and have this kid on the team at least to open a new era? It's not like he can't play, he came in the other night and was dunking on people, hit a three from the corner, blocked a shot. They kept Roberson who shoots threes, that's great. If he was such a dead on shooter he wouldn't be a 12th man. They make a nice move by unloading the rights to Fredric Weis for Ewing Jr, it just made you feel good, then they waive him. I don't understand it. And they keep this Italian kid who hasn't played a minute yet.

An embarassing organization from top to bottom...

[BlairThomas#1]

The fucking Knicks. Can't they do one little thing for their fans at any time ever? Is there a less important role in sports right now than the Knicks' 12th man? They couldn't let us have some good karma come back, make everybody happy and have this kid on the team at least to open a new era? It's not like he can't play, he came in the other night and was dunking on people, hit a three from the corner, blocked a shot. They kept Roberson who shoots threes, that's great. If he was such a dead on shooter he wouldn't be a 12th man. They make a nice move by unloading the rights to Fredric Weis for Ewing Jr, it just made you feel good, then they waive him. I don't understand it. And they keep this Italian kid who hasn't played a minute yet.

I disagree. Keep the best 12 players that fit the system...period. The name on the back of the jersey is meaningless to me. No more lifetime achievement contracts, flashy / one-on-one players or giving away draft picks.

[17a_tailgater]

I disagree. Keep the best 12 players that fit the system...period. The name on the back of the jersey is meaningless to me. No more lifetime achievement contracts, flashy / one-on-one players or giving away draft picks.

jerome james fits the running style scheme more than an athletic 6-8 ewing jr?

[JoeJet]

jerome james fits the running style scheme more than an athletic 6-8 ewing jr?

The Knicks are still trying to get an insurance settlement on Jerome James. If they cut him, kiss that chance goodbye.

[BlairThomas#1]

jerome james fits the running style scheme more than an athletic 6-8 ewing jr?

Whether JoeJet is right or not, I'll leave it up to the professionals running the team to make the decision. (I would not have said this under the Thomas regime, but Walsh / D'Antoni have proven capable in the past.)

[FlashGordon]

Whether JoeJet is right or not, I'll leave it up to the professionals running the team to make the decision. (I would not have said this under the Thomas regime, but Walsh / D'Antoni have proven capable in the past.)

They're keeping him so they won't have to buy out the remaining 2 years/13 million on his contract, no other reason. Walsh seems to be big on this, which I agree with in Marbury's case (and also Isiah), but Jerome is 100 percent useless. Should've bought him out and kept Ewing Jr.


Knicks over/under 32.5 according to the Daily News today. I'll take the over on that!

[17a_tailgater]

i hope at least at the trade deadline we can move some pieces.
maybe someone will have interest in steph or rose for a playoff push and gives us draft picks.

[Italian Seafood]

I disagree. Keep the best 12 players that fit the system...period. The name on the back of the jersey is meaningless to me. No more lifetime achievement contracts, flashy / one-on-one players or giving away draft picks.

I don't see what's better about Roberson. another long range shooter who in reality is hot and cold. He had a nice summer trip in Vegas, big deal. So did I.

[JoeJet]

I don't see what's better about Roberson. another long range shooter who in reality is hot and cold. He had a nice summer trip in Vegas, big deal. So did I.

In his two years in the NBA, Roberson has taken 65 3 point shots, and made 26 (which is 40%). That is outstanding.

[BlairThomas#1]

I don't see what's better about Roberson. another long range shooter who in reality is hot and cold. He had a nice summer trip in Vegas, big deal. So did I.

Considering the Rockets traded away Ewing Jr. for, basically, nothing, I am not sure that Ewing Jr. is anything more than athletic. Shooting is at a premium in the league, and necessary for D'Antoni's system. D'Antoni is one of the few coaches that is happy when the team has a 3-1 break and ends up taking an uncontested 3-pointer.

[JoeJet]

In his two years in the NBA, Roberson has taken 65 3 point shots, and made 26 (which is 40%). That is outstanding.

And Ewing Jr. , historically, struggles to make 40% of his free throws.

[Antoni]

Knicks 2.5 favorites tonight

[JoeJet]

Trying to put Patrick Ewing Jr. in perspective one last time. It would have been a nice "nostalgic" touch to have a Ewing on the Knicks. BUT, 30 general managers over the last 3 days have decided that Patrick Ewing Jr. is not better than the 12th man on 30 other teams.

[FlashGordon]

Trying to put Patrick Ewing Jr. in perspective one last time. It would have been a nice "nostalgic" touch to have a Ewing on the Knicks. BUT, 30 general managers over the last 3 days have decided that Patrick Ewing Jr. is not better than the 12th man on 30 other teams.

He's better than Jerome James.

[hazmat]

This team is doing some real nice things without Marbury and Curry. Wilson Chandler is a beast.

[Antoni]

Yeah, Knicks look pretty good at the half.

[EcKo151]

Ya gotta love how Pringles distributed the minutes.

We all know the defense is going to suck, so be it...It was fun watching this team against a much improved Heat team.

How bout' my boy Nate! 13 and 7 in 25 minutes! Awesome backup PG.

[hazmat]

Wilson Chandler and David Lee are just going to get better. Nice to see Randolph playing well. I had a feeling with a real coach he would be pretty good.

[rillo]

They won! Got alil nervous there for a minute, but they look like a different already.

[Antoni]

Jamal Crawford was a monster for the Knicks tonight

[EcKo151]

Crawford will go 4-18 next game.

[rillo]

Jamal Crawford was a monster for the Knicks tonight

He's a Heat killer, if Duhon can stay healthy this offense can really do something.

[Antoni]

Crawford will go 4-18 next game.

Maybe. It was just shocking to me at least to see that kind of production from Crawford in Game 1. I'm sure it'll go down, but by how much?

Still an awesome performance considering D'Antoni's 7 second offense that revolves around ball movement when Crawford likes to settle in and create his own shot.

[GreyhoundJet]

Very nice game tonight. I watched most of it except for the small part where the Heat made a run and came back. (Because of the Phillies-Rays) I was impressed by how much intensity this team seemed to play with on offense. Crawford was hot for most of the night. However, the player I liked most was Wilson Chandler. This kid can play and I'm looking forward to watching him throughout the season.

[matt robinson 17]

David Lee played a great game...

[Royal Tee]

I'm pretty happy right now.

- I am/was one of the few who actually wanted Zach to stay because I think he is a legit piece to a solid offense.
- I didn't want to trade Lee and always wanted to see what he can become as a starter. (I'm in the Majority here)
- I wanted Chandler to play. We caught glimpses of what he was capable of and I was so tired of watching draft picks sitting on the bench to rot.

It's been a long time coming folks....but it's a long season.

[Baumeister]

d'antoni is a good coach but you will see that he can never seem to get the job done. i wish you guys the best of luck. Just prepare for a team who can score but plays no defense what so ever. When a team locks you up in a defensive struggle the knicks don't stand a chance. Just look at the suns they had all the fire power in the world and the spurs always got the better of them because they could not defend a pick and roll to save their lives.

[JoeJet]

Did Isiah draft David Lee and Winston Chandler?

[Tight]

Did Isiah draft David Lee and Winston Chandler?

Yes he sure did

[rillo]

Did Isiah draft David Lee and Winston Chandler?

This is the only thing Isiah can do good. Only a few guys he drafted didn't pan out.

[Italian Seafood]

This is the only thing Isiah can do good. Only a few guys he drafted didn't pan out.

He also drafted Nate Robinson and Mardy Collins.

[hazmat]

Don't forget Channing Frye....

[Tight]

and trevor ariza.. boy would he have looked good on this team.

[Italian Seafood]

and trevor ariza.. boy would he have looked good on this team.

Yeah, I still hate that trade.

[ThisIsTheYear]

No Isiah did not draft Winston Chandler....he drafted Wilson Chandler. Watch by the end of next year he will be putting up 18 and 8 consistently.

[JetMonkey]

Isiah Thomas IS Terry Bradway in blackface and fake eyebrows...

[tanknyc]

I'm mad they traded balkman away he was the knicks hustler you need a scrappy player on your squad

[tanknyc]

They should of kept Ewing JR just off the strength of his dad they should of..

[Antoni]

and trevor ariza.. boy would he have looked good on this team.

Totally forgot Thomas drafted him. He's looking insane playing for our 2nd unit atm. At this pace he'll be 6th man of the year