Patriots tied with the Ravens

[Going4TheGreen]

I know things get confusing for you guys in New York, but just because the word "Growth" is in HGH, doesn't necessarily mean in "grows things." And who said Boller actually looked like a QB against the Pats? His stat line looked like this...

15-23 for 210 Yards.

52 of them came on a hail mary at the end of the game. 53 came on a busted play to Darling in the first quarter. Thats 105 yards he "earned." Get your shit straight.

If you would take a quick glance to the left, you would notice that I'm from a town in Georgia, good call though. Georgraphy has nothing to do with knowledge, anyway. I'll leave it up to you to read the other two posts that have refuted your claims and here's mine. Human growth hormone, in its regular body usage, stimulates the body's bone GROWTH. It is especially fundamental in the transition of the body's cartilage to bones, in which there is a hardening of cartilage zones, thus increasing the bone length. With increased bone length, the muscles become bigger and stronger to envelop and protect the bone.

[Beamen]

But theres a reasons doctors want to give HGH to older patients, and its not because they want their patients to be able to bench press 350 pounds.

Which is why it was more appropriate for a guy like Harrison, who was older. It slows the aging process, helps recovery, performance and muscle building....

HGH and anabolics are illegal in the NFL under the same rule for a reason

[abyzmul]

Quick, who am I?

As far as Harrison Vs Merriman debate? Your an idiot. Nobody talks about Merriman for his suspension anymore. The guy won defensive player of the year for Christ sake. Not to mention, Harrison got caught for HGH, not steroids. HGH helps your body recover quicker (he was injured,) Steroids helps your body grow. Theres a difference.


You're right, anybody can just take one look at Barry Bonds and tell that HGH has nothing to do with building muscle, it's all about rehab, right? Stick your head back up your ass, it's where it belongs.

[Dierking]

And you rright about the POY. My memory was not serving me correctly.

Its the roids. They make you stupid.

[dubagedi]

Harrison was a dumbass for using HGH but it's questionable whether or not it actually helps that much.

I can't post the link but I found it off Slate and I suppose you'll just have to trust me that it's a real article: (I only put in parts of the entire article)

What's the difference between steroids and HGH? For starters, we know that a baseball player can beef up on steroids and improve his athletic performance. But most clinical studies suggest that HGH won't help an athlete at all. The other key difference is that while steroids cause a bevy of nasty side effects—testicular shrinkage, an increased risk of stroke—taking HGH doesn't seem to be that bad for you.

If growth hormone doesn't help, why are athletes breaking league rules to get it? And if it doesn't hurt, why are there league rules against it in the first place? Widespread belief in the efficacy of HGH dates back to a 1990 article in the New England Journal of Medicine. A research team led by Daniel Rudman of the Medical College of Wisconsin gave regular growth hormone injections to a dozen men over the age of 60. At the end of the six-month treatment period, the test subjects had denser bones, thicker skin, less fat, and more lean body tissue. The paper likened these effects to a reversal of "10 to 20 years of aging."

The Rudman study soon spawned a mega-industry of rejuvenation clinics and anti-aging drug regimens. Healthy people secrete growth hormone naturally throughout their lifespan, with the highest concentration coming during adolescence. But HGH levels fall off as we get older; 60-year-olds might make half as much growth hormone as they did in their 20s. In 1996, the FDA approved growth hormone as a replacement therapy for adults whose HGH secretions had fallen below normal levels. Since then, immersion journalists have written paeans to the drug that jibe with Rudman's findings. In 2003, a writer for Outside claimed it improved his eyesight and made a scar on his forehead disappear. Last January, a GQ guinea pig said it filled him with "youthful radiance," deepening his voice and renewing his interest in Internet pornography.

Clinical researchers have been a bit less sanguine. You don't need a Ph.D. to find serious flaws in the Rudman study—no one in the control group received a placebo, for example. Still, a recent review in the Annals of Internal Medicine found that better studies have produced similar results: At the very least, treatment with HGH does seem to reduce body fat and increase muscle mass. Growth hormone may not lengthen your lifespan, but it can certainly improve your looks. (While HGH isn't as bad for you as anabolic steroids, it does have some minor side effects. Click here for more information.)

That doesn't mean very much for athletes: A chiseled physique won't help you hit a baseball or throw a punch. So far, no one has been able to connect the increase in lean body tissue caused by HGH with enhancement of athletic performance. Unlike steroids, growth hormone hasn't been shown to increase weight-lifting ability; in the lab, it has a greater effect on muscle definition than muscle strength. And it doesn't seem to help much with cardiovascular fitness, either.

So, why do so many athletes take HGH? One possibility is that the drug really does enhance performance but that the effect is too subtle to measure in a controlled setting. An elite athlete might be able to detect very slight improvements in strength and agility that would be invisible to lab scientists or statistical tests. At the highest levels of sport, a tiny edge can make a big difference. Athletes might also derive some added benefit by mixing HGH with other drugs—anti-aging doctors often prescribe growth hormone in combination with testosterone.

It's also possible that baseball players aren't using HGH to beef up at all. Almost everyone who gets caught red-handed claims they were using the drug to recover from an injury. This might be more than a ploy to win sympathy: Some doctors believe that growth hormone can speed up tissue repair. There isn't much clinical work to support this idea, however. One study even found that HGH actually shortened the lifespan of patients in an intensive-care unit.

The most likely reason that athletes use HGH, though, is superstition. A ballplayer might shoot up with HGH for the same reason we take vitamin C when we have a cold: There's no good reason to think it does anything, but we're willing to give it a try. The fact that the major sports leagues have banned growth hormone only encourages the idea that the drug has tangible benefits. Why would they ban something unless it worked?

Now Harrison was using a banned substance that he thought would help him so he's really just as guilty as Merriman in terms of cheating, but I think it's pretty clear that steroids are way more powerful than HGH.

[hiker]

A couple of observations from last night, and things I had time to think about today.

I may be in the minority, but I thought Gaffney's TD was a good catch. Part of the rule about possession is to "make a football move" before you are tackled or step out of bounds, and it looked to me like he was tucking the ball and not bobbling it.

I feel confident in saying that we will hear much about the Ravens giving the Steelers (and other teams) the cliched "blueprint" to defeating the Patriots. God, did I get sick of hearing that about the Eagles all week. Like the Steelers aren't going to blitz and pound the ball anyway. What really upsets me about the way the Ravens took it to the Patsies last night is that it took another team that frigging long to figure out what to do. Its just basic football, no gimmicks and gadgets, no 50+ passes and thinking you have to outscore them to win. Take a look back, remember how the Jets beat NE last season: it was the same way the Ravens played them last night. Its obvious, it will be done again, and the Steelers offense can make the Ravens offense look downright awful by comparison. The biggest drawback is that somebody else did this to NE before we do. Now, they know they aren't invincible, and will be ready for what they know is coming, which doesn't help our chances of taking them by surprise.

And fuck Kornheiser with his constant "air of inevitability" bullshit. There was nothing inevitable or preordained about the Ravens losing last night the way they did. A couple of pivotal plays and decisions went against them, which is the result of human error and not some kind of destiny of NE to succeed. Don't worry, the Patsies will not go undefeated. The longer the ride lasts will make it that much sweeter for us all when it comes to a crashing, crushing defeat around their ankles. In fact, I'm rather conflicted: would I rather they go undefeated for the regular season, only to lose in the playoffs/SB, or would I rather see them lose at least one in the regular season and go into the playoffs realizing they aren't really the greatest of all time.

Oh, and for this week, I'm getting a terrible towel ready. Break his leg like a fucking chickenbone, and no apologies for saying that :beer:

[BlairThomas#1]

The "blueprint" for beating the Patriots is the same as the "blueprint" for beating most other teams down the stretch.

1. Don't get down by multiple scores early - the Pats are good against the pass, but not the run. It is going to be incredibly hard for a team to beat the pats if they are playing catch-up the entire second half

2. Use an effective running game - as demonstrated last night

3. Get physical at the line of scrimmage with the WRs and don't get beat deep

4. Get pressure on Brady with only 4 guys

5. Don't turn the ball over

As much as Belichick is a dick, you can tell he knows what he was doing. With Seymour out for 6 weeks, Harrison out for 4 and an aging LB corps, he knew that defense wasn't going to get them many wins in the previous grind-it-out style. So, he decided to build the greatest offense since the 1999 Rams to get out in front early and outscore opponents. Having then loaded up on WRs in FA, he drafted a DB in the first round to contribute to the pass defense as he knew that teams would be throwing a lot because they were down points.

[BADVIKE]

Harrison was a dumbass for using HGH but it's questionable whether or not it actually helps that much.

I can't post the link but I found it off Slate and I suppose you'll just have to trust me that it's a real article: (I only put in parts of the entire article)



Now Harrison was using a banned substance that he thought would help him so he's really just as guilty as Merriman in terms of cheating, but I think it's pretty clear that steroids are way more powerful than HGH.
nice work digging this stuff up. See Douche bags? This is what "research" is, instead of just regurgitating the news you hear off of ESPN. Once again, gotta love JETS fans ;)

[BlairThomas#1]

nice work digging this stuff up. See Douche bags? This is what "research" is, instead of just regurgitating the news you hear off of ESPN. Once again, gotta love JETS fans ;)

I just love how you are lauding a part of an unsourced article posted on an internet message board (allegedly "regurgitated" from Slate) as "research" while at the same time calling people "douche bags" for what you perceive as "regurgitation" of new heards from a recongnized sports news source.

(not that i am saying ESPN is gospel.)

[KurtTheJetsFan]

nice work digging this stuff up. See Douche bags? This is what "research" is, instead of just regurgitating the news you hear off of ESPN. Once again, gotta love JETS fans ;)

The only douche bag is you.

You represent all the B.s classless nonsense your pathetic fan base is all about. It may take 20 years...but when you crash and burn...make no mistake...We will all be sure to be just as abrasive and classless toward you, as you currently are.

I hope the absolute worse for the Patriots. I hope when this ends the front office falls into financial ruin, the team has constant injury bugs, the tickets become too expensive for you morons to buy, and the team moves to Boise Idaho.

And then I hope your precious Tom Brady pools all his endorsement money, buys his fav. baseball team(the yankees) and leads them to 10 straight world series wins.

[Beamen]

nice work digging this stuff up. See Douche bags? This is what "research" is, instead of just regurgitating the news you hear off of ESPN. Once again, gotta love JETS fans ;)

You're right... One article (uncited, mind you) definitely outweighs any and all scientific reports that say otherwise....


I can cite 100 articles that say it increases muscle mass, athletic performance, etc....

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HGH Facts - The Real Truth About HGH

I wonder what it is about HGH (Human Growth Hormone) that makes people want to know more. It seems to interest both men and women.

It could be because HGH promises many benefits for both men and women, the main benefit being reverse aging.

Some of the other claims made about HGH is that it can help enhance your metabolism, or Increase muscle mass.

Let me tell you that where health is concerned, it’s bad to get into something without doing a whole lot of research first. Never ever go by the hype created by the companies selling them.

It’s pretty obvious that when one is selling something, they will always say their product is the best. Can you take such risks with your health? The answer is obviously NO.

Now getting down to the nitty gritty of HGH

I will save you a lot of trouble by letting you in on the results of my research on HGH. Remember, I am here to help you and bring facts in front of you, so that you can make an ‘informed’ decision.

Having said that, lets first see what HGH actually is. HGH is an abbreviation for Human Growth Hormone that is produced by the pituitary gland in the brain. This hormone stimulates growth and cell production in human beings.

The main property of HGH is to increase height, and the other important benefits are that it increases muscle mass, helps in calcium retention in our body, helps in keeping bones healthy, reduces fat in the body, helps in controlling sugar and insulin levels, helps with immunity and several more important functions that keep us healthy when we are young.

Now do you understand why we start having problems as we age?

The secretion of this hormone starts reducing by the time we are in our 30s and as we grow older, the pituitary gland produces lesser and lesser of this most important hormone. The level of secretion is highest in our early childhood. It peaks during puberty when there is a growth spurt.

The levels of secretion continue to decline throughout our adult life. This decrease in the levels of HGH is what may cause us to look old, have problems like diabetes, depression, loss of energy, loss of muscle mass and every other problem associated with aging.

I know what is going on in your mind, that increasing the HGH levels in the body will make you look young and feel healthy again.

If we go by theory, HGH is the miracle that brings back your youth. Is it the fountain of youth that we humans were waiting for, for thousands of years?

There are several options available to induce HGH into your body. There are the HGH injections, oral sprays, natural herbal HGH Releasers, that claim to increase the HGH levels in your body.

Let me give you an understanding of how these methods work.

The HGH Injection – HGH injections are a synthetic substance injected into your body. These injections are typically taken two or three times a day and are very expensive. A single injection may cost as high as $25.

You would end up spending as much as $75 per day. So, using that for 30 days will take your expenditure up to above $2000 per month. These are prescription medications that are not available over-the-counter. Insurance companies don’t cover the cost of these drugs.

Since this lab produced HGH injections are synthetic, I don’t need to tell you that there could be side effects associated with this, just as they are with anything that is synthetic. So, expenses and side effects don’t make this a viable alternative.

HGH Oral Sprays – Scientifically, there is no proof that these sprays work. Growth hormone according to studies does not have the capability of passing through the membranes of the mouth. I guess, this makes it another option less for you to look at.

Natural HGH Supplements (HGH Releasers) - It is believed that this method is indeed effective in increasing the levels of HGH in our bodies. They are very much like the vitamins and are taken in tablet form. Normally, they need to be taken just before going to bed, as the pituitary gland is most active during sleep.

HGH Releasers are 100% natural with no synthetic substances, as they are made from a combination of natural ingredients.

These ingredients activate the pituitary gland and in turn the pituitary gland produces more HGH. This obviously is a far safer alternative to sending in artificially produced synthetic HGH.

These are highly popular and seem to do what other methods don’t seem to. There is no need of a prescription and no side effects are seen.

From all the above research, it definitely appears that HGH Releasers are the best bet if you want to increase the HGH levels naturally in your body, but how can we even know which natural supplements are good?


Or how about this?

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Human Growth Hormone

What is HGH (Human Growth Hormone)?
By definitions: A peptide hormone secreted by the anterior pituitary gland in the brain. HGH enhances tissue growth by stimulating protein formation. A recombinant (genetically engineered) HGH, called Serostim, has been approved by FDA as a treatment for AIDS wasting syndrome.
HGH is Human Growth Hormone, a natural hormone produced in the pituitary gland of the brain. HGH is considered "the key" hormone because it controls so many functions. It's responsible for youth, vitality, energy and all of the health benefits we associate with youth. Dr. Daniel Rudman's study in the New England Journal Of Medicine demonstrated the remarkable ability to reverse the effects of aging upon the human body with the employment of HGH - Human Growth Hormone. Due in part to his efforts, Dr. Rudmans's study saw the effects of HGH upon overweight men between the ages of 61 and 80 years of age.

HGH reduces body fat. The men did not alter their personal habits of eating, smoking, or exercise, yet with the consumption of HGH, they lost an average of 14% of their body fat, while gaining an average of 8.8% lean muscle mass. Their skin became firmer and they experienced a localized increase in bone density. Over all, HgH appeared to reverse the effects of aging by 10-20 years!!! HGH is prescribed and administered by a doctor in the form of injections. But a nonprescription form is also available over the counter and through mail order.

HGH promotes growth in children and plays an important role in adult metabolism. The body secretes the hormone, in decreasing amounts, throughout our lifetimes. The amount of hormone in the body can be measured by levels of IGF-1 (Insulin Growth Factor). Growth hormone has a profound effect on all the cells of the body, more than any other hormone because it is the cell generator.

HGH is the "master hormone" controlling many organs and body functions and is directly responsible for stimulating tissue repair, cell replacement, brain functions, and enzyme function! It’s human growth hormone that grows the cells, bones, muscles, and organs, and it is the decreasing level of human growth hormone after age 30 that slowly robs us of our "youth."



You sure showed us! :wink:

By the way, the poster who originally posted the article had the right idea, that Harrison was just as guilty as Merriman since HGH and anabolics are both banned under the same rule in the NFL.... What he failed to mention, however, was that while, for young people, anabolics are more effective, for an older person, such as Harrison, HGH is much more beneficial, as he wouldn't have to worry about the side effects (and possible injury risks) of an anabolic and it would help him to get back to the shape he was in when he was younger...

[KurtTheJetsFan]

You're right... One article (uncited, mind you) definitely outweighs any and all scientific reports that say otherwise....


I can cite 100 articles that say it increases muscle mass, athletic performance, etc....

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Or how about this?

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You sure showed us! :wink:


Owned.:pats_suck:

[nyj55]

I know things get confusing for you guys in New York, but just because the word "Growth" is in HGH, doesn't necessarily mean in "grows things."



i'm not sure if anyone responded about this to this fucking clown. i know things get confusing for you idiots up here in boston (i deal with them on a daily basis) and i know how you guys like to talk out of your asses about things you shouldn't be. This could be the dumbest statement ever uttered on this board (and that is saying alot). Next time do some research asshole so you don't look like a fucking moron with stupid ass statements like this

[nyj55]

Have you spent 10 minutes in the gym on HGH? I doubt it. And no, neither have I. But I did take two cycles of steroids (Once anabol, once was D-bol) and I know the effects that THEY have.

Look, you can read tons of things online. The primary components for HGH helps regrow muscle quicker. So yes, when you work out and tear your muscles (which is how muscles grow in size,) it helps them regrow quicker, therefor giving the appearance of quicker muscle growth. And yes, it is also more advanced then most anabolic steroids. But theres a reasons doctors want to give HGH to older patients, and its not because they want their patients to be able to bench press 350 pounds.

HAH typical idiot meathead trying to justify his cycle. You not only only give massholes a bad name (seriously that is quite a feat in itself) but other bodybuilders/weightlifters as well. How old are you? 16?

[dubagedi]

You're right... One article (uncited, mind you) definitely outweighs any and all scientific reports that say otherwise....


I can cite 100 articles that say it increases muscle mass, athletic performance, etc....


I realize you weren't going as far as to say that I just pulled all the writing out of my ass, but a quick use of google searching the words "slate hgh" will show that the article does exist. As for the scientific reports you gave...you just references basically body building websites. It's cloudy whether or not it really makes a difference and the one study that was referenced in one of those websites was shown to be flawed in the Slate Article. If you want to convince me HGH is so effective then you need to cite more scientific sources than websites that link to other sites that sell HGH.

Maybe I didn't state this in a clear way earlier but what I mean is the difference between steroids and hgh is that steroids undoubtedly enhance athletic performance and have been proven to do so by multiple objective scientific studies while the same cannot be said of hgh.

[Beamen]

I realize you weren't going as far as to say that I just pulled all the writing out of my ass, but a quick use of google searching the words "slate hgh" will show that the article does exist. As for the scientific reports you gave...you just references basically body building websites. It's cloudy whether or not it really makes a difference and the one study that was referenced in one of those websites was shown to be flawed in the Slate Article. If you want to convince me HGH is so effective then you need to cite more scientific sources than websites that link to other sites that sell HGH.

Maybe I didn't state this in a clear way earlier but what I mean is the difference between steroids and hgh is that steroids undoubtedly enhance athletic performance and have been proven to do so by multiple objective scientific studies while the same cannot be said of hgh.

I didn't do extensive research, I simply pulled the first few articles I saw, but I was just showing that jackass BADVIKE that there is plenty of writing out there that supports the notion that HGH is a significant performance enhancer....

That being said, I edited, a while back, and added this... Don't know how you missed it, as I edited it long before you posted...

By the way, the poster who originally posted the article had the right idea, that Harrison was just as guilty as Merriman since HGH and anabolics are both banned under the same rule in the NFL.... What he failed to mention, however, was that while, for young people, anabolics are more effective, for an older person, such as Harrison, HGH is much more beneficial, as he wouldn't have to worry about the side effects (and possible injury risks) of an anabolic and it would help him to get back to the shape he was in when he was younger...

[Cakes]

52 of them came on a hail mary at the end of the game. 53 came on a busted play to Darling in the first quarter. Thats 105 yards he "earned." Get your shit straight.

What kind of nonsense is that?

Boller doesn't deserve credit because he dodged a sack and then threw a rope to Darling?!!!?

[Cakes]

No??? How about the Colts game last year?


Miller with coverage down the sideline on Reggie Wayne....Incomplete.

Complaints...

They rerun the same exact play down the line, PI call on Miller.

If this is the first time you've seen this blatant Bull$#!T, you havent been watching enough Jets games....:mad:

That was pass interference. You have to read the rule book.

[Beamen]

Peter King, after a brief refrain from having NE's D in his mouth right after SpyGate, is back to his usual form....

On the defensive holding call late in the game:

The back judge, Billy Smith, called holding, a five-yard penalty and automatic first down. I would have called illegal contact, but both penalties have the same impact, which is to give the Patriots a first-and-goal at the Baltimore 8. Great guts by Smith to make a call in that atmosphere.

Great guts? You don't want GUTS from your back judge in the last 2 minutes, on 4th down in a big game! You want him to only call the calls he NEEDS to....!



In the article, King reviews 4 calls....

Calls the 4th and 1 time out legit, because "Billick should have his sideline under control"

Calls the holding legit (as quoted above)

Calls the Gaffney catch OBVIOUS!

And then says there absolutely should have been PI on that Hail Mary

Yes, there should have been PI on the Hail Mary, but it is something that is never called.... If you're gonna condemn the ref for ONE bad non-call, you gotta condemn them for the other 3! Not just the one that COULD have adversely affected the Pats...

He also mentioned that people asked him about the call at the gym....

Someone should tell that fat pile that whatever he's doing at the gym, is NOT working...!

God, his column makes me mad...

[Hobbes3259]

That was pass interference. You have to read the rule book.

No. It wasn't it was incidental hand contact. You need to re-watch the fillm.


The Rule book, excludes the use of the armbarre, (which is to say, using the arm to prohibit the movement of the offensive player).

Miller, had the hand out to one side to feel the WR running past him, which does not remotely constitute interference...

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.



Thats the Rule.

The contact occurred before the ball was coming down the field, as both players were sprinting in the same direction....

[Cakes]

We have been over this time and time again. Initially, I was the one posting the exact rule. At least you've come around to do the same. However, your interpretation of it is wrong.

I don't know why you continue with it being that the refs called it interference and there was not an apology from the league, as far as I know.
If you are able to find out that the league apologized to the Jets for the call, let us know. At that point, I would have no recourse but to apologize for being a dumbass on this matter.

I have seen the play more than 50 times. Seeing it once more will not change my opinion. It will only be changed if I hear of an apology and explanation from the league.

[fenwyr]

That was pass interference. You have to read the rule book.

Actually, if I remember correctly, he got away with some minor interference on the 1st play, but did not interfere on the next when he actually got called.

[BADVIKE]

Fine, Ill concede that to you. So he earned 158 Yards. Regardless, is 158 yards really someone looking like a legit QB? You're obviously gonna see what you want to see, but what a ridiculous comment.

[Cakes]

Actually, if I remember correctly, he got away with some minor interference on the 1st play, but did not interfere on the next when he actually got called.

Okay, now to complete this, we just need RoyalTee to make an appearance and tell me the league, the refs, the rule book, and myself are all wrong.

Look, if you can produce evidence that the call was wrong (i.e., a league apology to the Jets), I will have no recourse but to change my tune on this matter. Until then, everything on this matter is on my side.

By the way, didn't you lose your TGG privileges to ever speak on matters concerning the rule book after that infamous The New "Tuck Rule" thread (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.)?

[Going4TheGreen]

Fine, Ill concede that to you. So he earned 158 Yards. Regardless, is 158 yards really someone looking like a legit QB? You're obviously gonna see what you want to see, but what a ridiculous comment.

Yeah, you can take away plays in football :breakdance: Hail Marys are hardly ever completed, and when they are, the QB deserves all the yards that come with it. It was a great throw, even a moron like yourself cannot dispute that. Unlike Brady's 43 yard completion to Maroney, which was actually about an 8 yard pass, but it just so happened Maroney had some room to work with. The booth however, thought it was the best thing they had ever seen how Brady managed to scoot 5 feet to his right to avoid a 4 man rush. But if you took away that completion, which we won't, Brady would have only thown for 214.

For Boller, I'd say he had a pretty good day against a D that doesn't normally allow a lot of 'good days.'

Brady's rating: 76.3, Bollers: 105.3. With everyone's yards still intact.



Also, I read somewhere that HGH is what older athletes turn to when they want something to push them past the plateau they seem to reach with regular anabolic steroids. Can't find it anymore but:

Here's an excerpt from an article from a site that's NAME is HGH, so I'm sure they have invested interest in putting across accurate information.

It’s human growth hormone that grows the cells, bones, muscles, and organs, and it is the decreasing level of human growth hormone after age 30 that slowly robs us of our "youth." The men (in a study) did not alter their personal habits of eating, smoking, or exercise, yet with the consumption of HGH, they lost an average of 14% of their body fat, while gaining an average of 8.8% lean muscle mass.
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HGH is still performance enhancing, and Harrison is still a cheater.

[Going4TheGreen]

The only douche bag is you.

You represent all the B.s classless nonsense your pathetic fan base is all about. It may take 20 years...but when you crash and burn...make no mistake...We will all be sure to be just as abrasive and classless toward you, as you currently are.

I hope the absolute worse for the Patriots. I hope when this ends the front office falls into financial ruin, the team has constant injury bugs, the tickets become too expensive for you morons to buy, and the team moves to Boise Idaho.

And then I hope your precious Tom Brady pools all his endorsement money, buys his fav. baseball team(the yankees) and leads them to 10 straight world series wins.

There won't be a fanbase by that point. They'll like whoever is about to win SB 68

[Beamen]

Yeah, you can take away plays in football :breakdance: Hail Marys are hardly ever completed, and when they are, the QB deserves all the yards that come with it. It was a great throw, even a moron like yourself cannot dispute that. Unlike Brady's 43 yard completion to Maroney, which was actually about an 8 yard pass, but it just so happened Maroney had some room to work with. The booth however, thought it was the best thing they had ever seen how Brady managed to scoot 5 feet to his right to avoid a 4 man rush. But if you took away that completion, which we won't, Brady would have only thown for 214.

For Boller, I'd say he had a pretty good day against a D that doesn't normally allow a lot of 'good days.'

Brady's rating: 76.3, Bollers: 105.3. With everyone's yards still intact.



Also, I read somewhere that HGH is what older athletes turn to when they want something to push them past the plateau they seem to reach with regular anabolic steroids. Can't find it anymore but:

Here's an excerpt from an article from a site that's NAME is HGH, so I'm sure they have invested interest in putting across accurate information.

It’s human growth hormone that grows the cells, bones, muscles, and organs, and it is the decreasing level of human growth hormone after age 30 that slowly robs us of our "youth." The men (in a study) did not alter their personal habits of eating, smoking, or exercise, yet with the consumption of HGH, they lost an average of 14% of their body fat, while gaining an average of 8.8% lean muscle mass.
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HGH is still performance enhancing, and Harrison is still a cheater.

Yep, that's exactly what I was saying.... But, expect BADVIKE to simply ignore that obvious truth because it isn't convenient for his absurd argument....

Anabolics grow muscles at an unnatural rate and, thus, increase the risk of muscle tears (see: David Boston).... For a young athlete, it's worth the risk, for the advantage is gives...

For an older athlete, like Harrison, the risk would not be worth it, as a major injury could be very likely to end his career.... Instead he turned to HGH, which spurts bone and muscle growth, along with helping to burn fat and up athletic performance. As Harrison is up there in age, just a low regular dosage of HGH could theoretically return him to the athletic condition he was at a younger age.... With a higher dosage, the likely advantage would be clear......

Once again, HGH is banned under the same rule as Anabolics for a reason....

[msw6880]

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[Dierking]

I just wanted to let all the J-E-T-S fans out there know how much joy I and countless other Patriots fans get from your board each and every week. It is truly heartening to come in here after a tough Patriots game and relive our glory through your heartbreak.

PS - Thanks for the "blueprint" for beating the Dolphins, we'll be happy to use it later.

What position do you play?

[rillo]

I just wanted to let all the J-E-T-S fans out there know how much joy I and countless other Patriots fans get from your board each and every week. It is truly heartening to come in here after a tough Patriots game and relive our glory through your heartbreak.

PS - Thanks for the "blueprint" for beating the Dolphins, we'll be happy to use it later.

Bandwagon just like 90% of your fan base :gpc:

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I just wanted to let all the J-E-T-S fans out there know how much joy I and countless other Patriots fans get from your board each and every week. It is truly heartening to come in here after a tough Patriots game and relive our glory through your heartbreak.

PS - Thanks for the "blueprint" for beating the Dolphins, we'll be happy to use it later.


What position do you play?


He's Brady's Fluffer.