Some Draft Thoughts...

[JetFanInPA]

Here's a few things I have to say about the upcoming draft, which is now just over a month away.

- Green Bay, Arizona, Baltimore, Minnesota are no longer in the market for a RB. I think there's a great chance that White, Williams or Maroney will be available with our 2nd round pick.

- It would be ideal if Tom Ashworth or another Free Agent RT was signed, but if he isn't, I don't see a reason to pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson at #4 (If he's there). This guy is a great LT, but Adrian Jones is our LT and we've seen how bad he is when he does play RT. We could pick up a guy like O'Callaghan in the second or third.

- QBs could be falling too. Detroit signed Kitna and McCown, Miami traded for Culpepper, and New Orleans got Brees. Leinart will most likely go to Tennessee... But if Oakland doen't grab a QB, Young or Cutler could both fall out of the top 10, unless a team trades up to get one of them.

- I'm surprised Mangold isn't projected higher. He seems like a complete product. If he's there at #35, there shouldn't be a hesitation to take him.

- Tye Hill is moving right up the draft boards. He could land in the top 10 or 15 and will probably be the first CB taken.

- I really like TEs Anthony Fasano (Notre Dame) and Joe Klopfenstein (Colorado). Fasano could go early 3rd round, but Klopfenstein could be there with our 3rd round comp. pick (If we get one) or our 4th rounder.

- Martin Nance WR (Miami, Ohio) could be a steal for some team in the second round.

Feel free to criticize, complement or add to this.

[Pride]

- I'm surprised Mangold isn't projected higher. He seems like a complete product. If he's there at #35, there shouldn't be a hesitation to take him.

Sshhhhhh..... Dont let any other team realize that:grin:

[sanchizeqb]

Solid points. I find it that I ask myself the same questions about Nick Mangold and think your spot on about free agency signings like Edge in Zona and Baltimore re-signing Jamal Lewis may one of the RB's projected to go in the 1st drop around our 35th overall pick.

[ganooch]

I like Fasano in the 3rd round if he is available. Saw him play many times and is a dependable TE

[MeanGreen80]

Maroney has a very good chance of falling to us but white and williams wont leave the first round.

[Rambo13]

- Green Bay, Arizona, Baltimore, Minnesota are no longer in the market for a RB. I think there's a great chance that White, Williams or Maroney will be available with our 2nd round pick.
-Not so fast. Green Bay signed Green for 1 year so they could certainly grab a RB but I doubt they do with the 5th pick. Arizona is definately out but Baltimore is another team like Green Bay. Sure they resigned Lewis, but they obviously aren't that thrilled with Lewis or else they probably would have locked him up before letting him test Free Agency. I'm also not sure why Minnesota is out of the running. Because they signed Chester Taylor? If a QB doesn't fall to them, I think they are going to go RB.
-These are teams that I think could take a RB in the first in order of likelihood: Colts, Vikings, Jaguars, Eagles, Broncos, Panthers, Steelers, 49ers, Ravens, Browns, Patriots I think the Colts will pick the last of the 4 Running Backs at #30, but I agree, there is a definate chance we can get one of them at #31, #35 might be a bit of a stretch.

- It would be ideal if Tom Ashworth or another Free Agent RT was signed, but if he isn't, I don't see a reason to pick D'Brickshaw Ferguson at #4 (If he's there). This guy is a great LT, but Adrian Jones is our LT and we've seen how bad he is when he does play RT. We could pick up a guy like O'Callaghan in the second or third.
-I definately agree with you here. I think we need to take a long hard look at Vernon Davis and Mario Williams (Leinart if he is available without trading up) before we select D'Brickashaw Ferguson, but he is definately in my top 3 realistic picks right now.
-Much like the RBs above, I think there will be a great chance either Eric Winston or Marcus McNeil falls to us at #31 or #35 and they may actually be better fits for us than Brick, plus they would come at a far cheaper price.

- QBs could be falling too. Detroit signed Kitna and McCown, Miami traded for Culpepper, and New Orleans got Brees. Leinart will most likely go to Tennessee... But if Oakland doen't grab a QB, Young or Cutler could both fall out of the top 10, unless a team trades up to get one of them.
-Last time I projected where they would go I thought Leinart to Tennessee, Cutler to Detroit and Young to Arizona. Now that the Lions signed all those QBs, I think maybe I am going to change it to Leinart to Tennessee, Young to Oakland, Cutler to Arizona.

- I'm surprised Mangold isn't projected higher. He seems like a complete product. If he's there at #35, there shouldn't be a hesitation to take him.
-I'm not really surprised. Centers historically don't get selected high because the demand for them is generally low. The fact that he can go in the first round speaks volumes to his skill. He is one of the 5 or so players we should grab at #31 or #35 if they are available.

- Tye Hill is moving right up the draft boards. He could land in the top 10 or 15 and will probably be the first CB taken.
-Definately true, I thought it was a lock to see Jimmy Williams go as the first DB and in the top 10. Now he is looking like the 3rd one off the board.
-We definately need some extra CB help and it would be sweet to have the two Clemson boys lining up for us, but we have to look at other positions early and maybe take a CB in the 3rd or 4th.

- I really like TEs Anthony Fasano (Notre Dame) and Joe Klopfenstein (Colorado). Fasano could go early 3rd round, but Klopfenstein could be there with our 3rd round comp. pick (If we get one) or our 4th rounder.
-I have never been really impressed with Fasano he seems like more of your classic TE. Big, strong, slow and a good blocker. I'm much higher on Klopfenstein, but I think we either can take Vernon Davis at #4 or forget about the TE position until day 2.

-Great thread JetsFanInPA. I will surely contribute more to this with my own thoughts when I have some more time. :up:

[JetFanInPA]

[QUOTE=Rambo13]-Not so fast. Green Bay signed Green for 1 year so they could certainly grab a RB but I doubt they do with the 5th pick. Arizona is definately out but Baltimore is another team like Green Bay. Sure they resigned Lewis, but they obviously aren't that thrilled with Lewis or else they probably would have locked him up before letting him test Free Agency. I'm also not sure why Minnesota is out of the running. Because they signed Chester Taylor? If a QB doesn't fall to them, I think they are going to go RB.
-These are teams that I think could take a RB in the first in order of likelihood: Colts, Vikings, Jaguars, Eagles, Broncos, Panthers, Steelers, 49ers, Ravens, Browns, Patriots I think the Colts will pick the last of the 4 Running Backs at #30, but I agree, there is a definate chance we can get one of them at #31, #35 might be a bit of a stretch. [QUOTE=Rambo13]

Gotta love some good draft talk. :up:

As for RBs though...
-Indianpolis: They are almost a lock to grab a RB with the #30 whether it be Addai or Maroney.
-Minnesota: They have a crowded backfield. Chester Taylor, Mewelde Moore, Ciatrick Fason, Onterrio Smith (if he comes back from his suspension). I suppose it is posible though.
-Jacksonville: Good point. I didn't even consider them. Toefield and Pearman probably won't ever start. I think they go with a LB since they lost Akin Ayodele though.
-Philadelphia: Yeah I guess there's a chance, but I think they'd go after a DT or a WR before a RB. If Correll Buckhalter doesn't return, they have no chance of grabbing a RB 1st round though.
-Denver: Considering they have Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell, 1st round MIGHT be a stretch.
-Pittsburgh: Since Duce Staley is back, I give them little chance of taking a RB early.
-San Francisco: Frank Gore looks like the future and they still have Kevan Barlow and Maurice Hicks.
-Baltimore: In addition to Jamal Lewis, they also signed Mike Anderson.
-Cleveland: They just signed Droughns to a big deal, so I don't think they'll invest a high round pick into a RB
-New England: They could be higher on this list. But they have a HUGE need for a WR now and also need some youth at LB.

[deviljets7]

Gotta love some good draft talk. :up:

As for RBs though...
-Indianpolis: They are almost a lock to grab a RB with the #30 whether it be Addai or Maroney.
-Minnesota: They have a crowded backfield. Chester Taylor, Mewelde Moore, Ciatrick Fason, Onterrio Smith (if he comes back from his suspension). I suppose it is posible though.
-Jacksonville: Good point. I didn't even consider them. Toefield and Pearman probably won't ever start. I think they go with a LB since they lost Akin Ayodele though.
-Philadelphia: Yeah I guess there's a chance, but I think they'd go after a DT or a WR before a RB. If Correll Buckhalter doesn't return, they have no chance of grabbing a RB 1st round though.
-Denver: Considering they have Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell, 1st round MIGHT be a stretch.
-Pittsburgh: Since Duce Staley is back, I give them little chance of taking a RB early.
-San Francisco: Frank Gore looks like the future and they still have Kevan Barlow and Maurice Hicks.
-Baltimore: In addition to Jamal Lewis, they also signed Mike Anderson.
-Cleveland: They just signed Droughns to a big deal, so I don't think they'll invest a high round pick into a RB
-New England: They could be higher on this list. But they have a HUGE need for a WR now and also need some youth at LB.

You make some good points. However since it looks like Deangelo and Lendale will fall, I think teams such as New England and Denver are more likely to take a RB in round 1 since there is a chance those two will be there in the 20's.

[Cakes]

I think the current coaching staff would target Joseph Addai. He is a good pass receiver and understands pass blocking. He seems to be a smart player.

[Rambo13]

As for RBs though...
-Indianpolis: They are almost a lock to grab a RB with the #30 whether it be Addai or Maroney.
-Minnesota: They have a crowded backfield. Chester Taylor, Mewelde Moore, Ciatrick Fason, Onterrio Smith (if he comes back from his suspension). I suppose it is posible though.
-Jacksonville: Good point. I didn't even consider them. Toefield and Pearman probably won't ever start. I think they go with a LB since they lost Akin Ayodele though.
-Philadelphia: Yeah I guess there's a chance, but I think they'd go after a DT or a WR before a RB. If Correll Buckhalter doesn't return, they have no chance of grabbing a RB 1st round though.
-Denver: Considering they have Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell, 1st round MIGHT be a stretch.
-Pittsburgh: Since Duce Staley is back, I give them little chance of taking a RB early.
-San Francisco: Frank Gore looks like the future and they still have Kevan Barlow and Maurice Hicks.
-Baltimore: In addition to Jamal Lewis, they also signed Mike Anderson.
-Cleveland: They just signed Droughns to a big deal, so I don't think they'll invest a high round pick into a RB
-New England: They could be higher on this list. But they have a HUGE need for a WR now and also need some youth at LB.

I think San Fran takes DeAngelo Williams because they desperately need some offensive help for Alex Smith and there arent any good WRs available, plus they already have a good TE in Eric Johnson. Williams should take some pressure off the passing game and give them a good young combo.

I think Minnesota will take LenDale White because all of the good QBs will be gone and RB is the best available position of need for them. Plus, you can never underestimate the Vikings taking a RB in the draft. I think Fiason proved nothing for them, Smith proved that he can't be trusted and Moe Williams proved to be too old. I think Mewelde Moore got a raw deal, but they just don't seem to want to give him the starting job. Therefore I'm giving them LenDale.

I think Indianopolis grabs Laurence Maroney because that is their #1 need and he will easily be the best player available. No further explanation is required.

If any one of these teams skips out on a RB, one should be available for us at#31. I don't think the other teams I listed will take a RB, but, they are teams that I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Hopefully we can snag Maroney because he would be quite a steal, but I am not counting on it happening.

[Rambo13]

{1} In my opinion, we have 4 high priority needs on our team. Center, Offensive Tackle, Tight End and Rush Linebacker. These are the positions we definately need to fill in the first few rounds of the draft. We all know about our Center, Tackle and Pass Rusher woes, but I think many of us have forgotten that Baker is no longer on the roster and Jolley is not someone we want to count on. I think if Ferguson is gone at #4 it opens the gates for Vernon Davis to come in because it is too high to draft a Center and there are not really great 3-4 OLB's available.

{2} Our medium priority needs include QB, RB, ILB, NT, CB, WR (not in any particular order). These are thigns we shoudl look at if a player falls but do not need to overweight because we can get by with what we have.

{3} The 31st pick in the draft would be amazing for us because I project picks 32-34 to be Manny Lawson, Eric Winston and Nick Mangold. Those our all high priority needs for us and we could get our pick of the three instead of getting shafted out of all three at pick #35. (Another possibility would be a RB which was mentioned by JetsFanInPA)

{4} I think the LBs are falling hard in this draft. Greenway and Ryans, both of whom were projected in the top 10 or 15, are now in the later half of the first round and maybe even second round. On the flip side, Ernie Sims has possibly jumped ahead of both of them. The player I care about, however, is D'Qwell Jackson. I think he is the #2 LB prospect in the draft and the best true Middle Linebacker. Someone is going to take him in the 2nd round and get a Nick Barnett type Line Backer who can play the middle in the 3-4 or the 4-3. I would consider taking him at #35 but it looks like we will be ok with either Hobson or Chatham inside with Vilma.

{5} There are two elite Nose Tackle prospects in this draft. Haloti Ngata and Gabe Watson. Both are very similar. They are tall, fat, strong, played high levels of competition for several years and have questions about there motor. The only difference? Gabe Watson should cost about 1/3 of Ngata's price because Watson is a late 1st early 2nd round prospect. Could be worth a look at #35 if the high priority positions are too much of reaches.

That's it for now, probably be back later with some more. JetsFan...rip it up :up:

[Johnny4]

{1} In my opinion, we have 4 high priority needs on our team. Center, Offensive Tackle, Tight End and Rush Linebacker. These are the positions we definately need to fill in the first few rounds of the draft. We all know about our Center, Tackle and Pass Rusher woes, but I think many of us have forgotten that Baker is no longer on the roster and Jolley is not someone we want to count on. I think if Ferguson is gone at #4 it opens the gates for Vernon Davis to come in because it is too high to draft a Center and there are not really great 3-4 OLB's available.

{2} Our medium priority needs include QB, RB, ILB, NT, CB, WR (not in any particular order). These are thigns we shoudl look at if a player falls but do not need to overweight because we can get by with what we have.

{3} The 31st pick in the draft would be amazing for us because I project picks 32-34 to be Manny Lawson, Eric Winston and Nick Mangold. Those our all high priority needs for us and we could get our pick of the three instead of getting shafted out of all three at pick #35. (Another possibility would be a RB which was mentioned by JetsFanInPA)

{4} I think the LBs are falling hard in this draft. Greenway and Ryans, both of whom were projected in the top 10 or 15, are now in the later half of the first round and maybe even second round. On the flip side, Ernie Sims has possibly jumped ahead of both of them. The player I care about, however, is D'Qwell Jackson. I think he is the #2 LB prospect in the draft and the best true Middle Linebacker. Someone is going to take him in the 2nd round and get a Nick Barnett type Line Backer who can play the middle in the 3-4 or the 4-3. I would consider taking him at #35 but it looks like we will be ok with either Hobson or Chatham inside with Vilma.

{5} There are two elite Nose Tackle prospects in this draft. Haloti Ngata and Gabe Watson. Both are very similar. They are tall, fat, strong, played high levels of competition for several years and have questions about there motor. The only difference? Gabe Watson should cost about 1/3 of Ngata's price because Watson is a late 1st early 2nd round prospect. Could be worth a look at #35 if the high priority positions are too much of reaches.

That's it for now, probably be back later with some more. JetsFan...rip it up :up:

Watson is falling fast and I doubt he will be a first rounder. Bunkley has jumped ahead of him.

[deviljets7]

I think San Fran takes DeAngelo Williams because they desperately need some offensive help for Alex Smith and there arent any good WRs available, plus they already have a good TE in Eric Johnson. Williams should take some pressure off the passing game and give them a good young combo.

I think Minnesota will take LenDale White because all of the good QBs will be gone and RB is the best available position of need for them. Plus, you can never underestimate the Vikings taking a RB in the draft. I think Fiason proved nothing for them, Smith proved that he can't be trusted and Moe Williams proved to be too old. I think Mewelde Moore got a raw deal, but they just don't seem to want to give him the starting job. Therefore I'm giving them LenDale.

I think Indianopolis grabs Laurence Maroney because that is their #1 need and he will easily be the best player available. No further explanation is required.

If any one of these teams skips out on a RB, one should be available for us at#31. I don't think the other teams I listed will take a RB, but, they are teams that I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Hopefully we can snag Maroney because he would be quite a steal, but I am not counting on it happening.

With San Fran, yes Eric Johnson is good, when healthy, but we are also talking about a player who due to injuries has played 16 games over the past 3 years. Gore, admitedly in part time action averaged 4.8 yards a carry a year ago. If I'm the 49ers, TE is a bigger issue than RB. Also considering they were the 32nd ranked D a year ago and they lost Julian Peterson, it'd be quite hard to pass up on A.J. Hawk if he's there.

With Minnesota I'm also skeptical with Moore, Taylor (who got Deshaun Foster money), Mo Williams, and Fiason. With their QB issues, I think the most likely scenario is packaging pick #17 with one of their 2nd rounders for a QB.

I agree with Indy and Maroney, though I wouldn't be stunned if they took Ernie Sims if there at #30.

[JetFanInPA]

{1} In my opinion, we have 4 high priority needs on our team. Center, Offensive Tackle, Tight End and Rush Linebacker. These are the positions we definately need to fill in the first few rounds of the draft. We all know about our Center, Tackle and Pass Rusher woes, but I think many of us have forgotten that Baker is no longer on the roster and Jolley is not someone we want to count on. I think if Ferguson is gone at #4 it opens the gates for Vernon Davis to come in because it is too high to draft a Center and there are not really great 3-4 OLB's available.

{2} Our medium priority needs include QB, RB, ILB, NT, CB, WR (not in any particular order). These are thigns we shoudl look at if a player falls but do not need to overweight because we can get by with what we have.

{3} The 31st pick in the draft would be amazing for us because I project picks 32-34 to be Manny Lawson, Eric Winston and Nick Mangold. Those our all high priority needs for us and we could get our pick of the three instead of getting shafted out of all three at pick #35. (Another possibility would be a RB which was mentioned by JetsFanInPA)

{4} I think the LBs are falling hard in this draft. Greenway and Ryans, both of whom were projected in the top 10 or 15, are now in the later half of the first round and maybe even second round. On the flip side, Ernie Sims has possibly jumped ahead of both of them. The player I care about, however, is D'Qwell Jackson. I think he is the #2 LB prospect in the draft and the best true Middle Linebacker. Someone is going to take him in the 2nd round and get a Nick Barnett type Line Backer who can play the middle in the 3-4 or the 4-3. I would consider taking him at #35 but it looks like we will be ok with either Hobson or Chatham inside with Vilma.

{5} There are two elite Nose Tackle prospects in this draft. Haloti Ngata and Gabe Watson. Both are very similar. They are tall, fat, strong, played high levels of competition for several years and have questions about there motor. The only difference? Gabe Watson should cost about 1/3 of Ngata's price because Watson is a late 1st early 2nd round prospect. Could be worth a look at #35 if the high priority positions are too much of reaches.

That's it for now, probably be back later with some more. JetsFan...rip it up :up:

Ok...
{1}: I agree with 75% of your high priority needs. Center for sure, Right Tackle for sure and we could definatley use a speed OLB since Hobson would play inside. However with Jolley and Dreessen, TE is not a TOP 4 priority. I would place NT before TE. I believe Gabe Watson is begining to fall now. He would be a great pick at #35. He'd be the big Ted Washington like anchor for the line.

{2}: Maybe pickup a rookie QB. Maybe a rookie RB too. But I think we're pretty much set at both spots. A guy like Martin Nance or Marques Colston would be good to add for size to the WRs. A young OG would be nice and same with an ILB. A veteran CB like Ray Mickens would also be nice.

{3}: I agree with you here. That's a great spot. (30-35)

{4}: Yes they are. Now I heard some rumor that we trade down with Minnesota and aquire the #17 and a pair of almost back-to-back 2nds. This would be phenominal especially if we get something for Abraham when all is said and done. D'Qwell Jackson could play inside or outside too.

{5}: Love the chance of drafting a guy like Gabe Watson. We'd have one hell of a run defense.

I'll add of my own points later.

[JetFanInPA]

Here's some more random draft thoughts:

-I like Erik Meyer of Eastern Washingto, Drew Olsen of UCLA and Ingle Martin of Furman. I think both have the potential to at least be backups. Our FO should consider investing a late round selection in one of them.

-Marques Colston of Hofstra should get a long look because of his size and hands; And of course a certain other WR from Hofstra...

-Every time I see a mock draft, Marcedes Lewis of UCLA and Dominique Byrd of USC are falling even further.

-Don't ask me why, but I think the bust potetnial for Florida State's DT Brodrick Bunkley is quite high.

-Jon Alston, the OLB from Stanford looked good in regular season action when I saw him play. His 4.40 forty time only adds to his stock. He reminds me a lot of Pro Bowl LB from Indianapolis, Cato June.

-I like Pierre Woods of Michigan a lot. I've seen Michigan games and this guy can play. I'd love to bring him in with a 7th round pick or as a UFA.

-D'Qwell Jackson of Maryland... Whether it be OLB or ILB, this guy will start early on in his career.

-Iowa's Abdul Hodge's stock is dropping... Why?

-Devin Hester isn't worth the hype. I don't see him lasting in the NFL past a couple seasons or so.

-Both CBs from Penn State, Anwar Phillips and Alan Zemitis, could become starters. I like both of them.

That's it for now... How about some feedback?

[Rambo13]

Ok...
{1}: I agree with 75% of your high priority needs. Center for sure, Right Tackle for sure and we could definatley use a speed OLB since Hobson would play inside. However with Jolley and Dreessen, TE is not a TOP 4 priority. I would place NT before TE. I believe Gabe Watson is begining to fall now. He would be a great pick at #35. He'd be the big Ted Washington like anchor for the line.

Being that it is a "luxury" position, people are slow to accept that it is a high need. But basically the criteria I used to prioritize our needs is if we had a clear cut starter who could get us through the year. With OT we obviously don't have anyone with Fabini and Gragg gone, with Center we have no one with Mawae gone and Kendall our LG. With OLB we would be losing our only true pass rusher with Abraham and would need to replace him even though we have good LBs in Vilma, Hobson and Barton.

However, who do we have with the Tight End position. I would not include this in the high priority if Baker was still with us, but he is a free agent now. I think Jolley proved he was not the answer and Dreesen is no better than like a Cavka at OT. Sure he could develop, but do we really want to go through the season with him?

So while I agree that the TE position is not a top 4 priority, that is not really my point. I think maybe it should be clearer now and you should all agree with my logic.

[JetFanInPA]

Being that it is a "luxury" position, people are slow to accept that it is a high need. But basically the criteria I used to prioritize our needs is if we had a clear cut starter who could get us through the year. With OT we obviously don't have anyone with Fabini and Gragg gone, with Center we have no one with Mawae gone and Kendall our LG. With OLB we would be losing our only true pass rusher with Abraham and would need to replace him even though we have good LBs in Vilma, Hobson and Barton.

However, who do we have with the Tight End position. I would not include this in the high priority if Baker was still with us, but he is a free agent now. I think Jolley proved he was not the answer and Dreesen is no better than like a Cavka at OT. Sure he could develop, but do we really want to go through the season with him?

So while I agree that the TE position is not a top 4 priority, that is not really my point. I think maybe it should be clearer now and you should all agree with my logic.

I'd certainly be all for picking up an all around TE like Joe Klopfenstein late on Day 1 or early on Day 2.

[Hazardous Waters]

I think we take Hawk with the 4th pick, then if we get another 1st rd pick, get an OL guy like Mangold. 2nd round: Brodie Croyle.

[Hazardous Waters]

I'd certainly be all for picking up an all around TE like Joe Klopfenstein late on Day 1 or early on Day 2.

Could you explain to me why we need a TE at all. We have two guys that can play.

[JetFanInPA]

Could you explain to me why we need a TE at all. We have two guys that can play.

Who Doug Jolley? He showed us all the characteristics of Anthony Becht last season, except he wasn't a great blocker. We can root for Dreessen, but chances are he won't be anything more than a backup. He didn't prove anything last seaosn.

If Baker is resigned, than this position is completely set for 2006. But if we have about 6 or 7 Day 1 picks and Baker isn't resigned, than why not take a TE like Fasano or Klopfenstien in the 3rd round?

[Rambo13]

Who Doug Jolley? He showed us all the characteristics of Anthony Becht last season, except he wasn't a great blocker. We can root for Dreessen, but chances are he won't be anything more than a backup. He didn't prove anything last seaosn.

If Baker is resigned, than this position is completely set for 2006. But if we have about 6 or 7 Day 1 picks and Baker isn't resigned, than why not take a TE like Fasano or Klopfenstien in the 3rd round?

That's exactly how I would have answered, only I would go for a better Tight End than those two for one reason. We need some kind of offensive playmaker. It doesn't look like we are going to invest anything in the Running Back position and the Wide Receivers in this draft are piss poor. So why not get one of the better Tight Ends? I'm not saying it has to be Vernon Davis, we could maybe steal Pope at the end of round 1 or Lewis or Byrd in round 2.

[deviljets7]

That's exactly how I would have answered, only I would go for a better Tight End than those two for one reason. We need some kind of offensive playmaker. It doesn't look like we are going to invest anything in the Running Back position and the Wide Receivers in this draft are piss poor. So why not get one of the better Tight Ends? I'm not saying it has to be Vernon Davis, we could maybe steal Pope at the end of round 1 or Lewis or Byrd in round 2.

You make an excellent point here Rambo. Usually I'm not infavor of taking the TE really early since there are some damn good WR's there (ie Roy Williams, Lee Evans, and Michael Clayton went after Winslow in 2004). This year however, the WR crop is so weak that a TE such as Davis IMO is a better receiver than any of the WR's in the draft. I also like the idea of Pope if he can be had.

[JetFanInPA]

Well Rambo, just as you and me agreed, 30-35 is a hot spot to be... So #29 is just fine in my book. :beer:

Now who to take? I am hoping that Tannenbaum can bring in the RT Jon Runyan from Philadelphia, which would really fill a huge need. We DID bring in Tim Dwight so that may lower the need for WR until the 6th or 7th round.
I'm thinking Nick Mangold is a no-brainer at #29...

Let's get some educated opinions on this...

[Rambo13]

Well Rambo, just as you and me agreed, 30-35 is a hot spot to be... So #29 is just fine in my book. :beer:

Now who to take? I am hoping that Tannenbaum can bring in the RT Jon Runyan from Philadelphia, which would really fill a huge need. We DID bring in Tim Dwight so that may lower the need for WR until the 6th or 7th round.
I'm thinking Nick Mangold is a no-brainer at #29...

Let's get some educated opinions on this...

I'll give top 5 (realistic picks) for our two first round picks:

#04 - D. Ferguson, M. Williams, V. Davis, A. Hawk, D. Williams
#29 - L. Maroney, M. Lawson, N. Mangold, E. Winston, G. Watson

Those are roughly in order from my favorite to least favorite, but I say roughly because they basically change daily. :smile:

Seriously though when I saw we weren't getting the #31 we were getting the #29 I yelled out loud, with joy of course :up:

[deviljets7]

Well Rambo, just as you and me agreed, 30-35 is a hot spot to be... So #29 is just fine in my book. :beer:

Now who to take? I am hoping that Tannenbaum can bring in the RT Jon Runyan from Philadelphia, which would really fill a huge need. We DID bring in Tim Dwight so that may lower the need for WR until the 6th or 7th round.
I'm thinking Nick Mangold is a no-brainer at #29...

Let's get some educated opinions on this...

I doubt it would be with #29 or #35, but considering Runyan's age, I wouldn't be surprised if they still took a OT pretty early. For what its worth the Eagles took Shawn Andrews early and moved him to guard before the need at OT opened up for him. Ryan O'Callaghan seems to fit that Andrews type of profile and has experience at OG.

I also wouldn't doubt the Jets going CB if they fail to land Dyson. The fact that they brought in Dyson for an interview makes me believe that they are not satisfied with the current CB group. Could Antonio Cromartie or Ashton Youboty be an option here?

Manny Lawson if there would also give the Jets the type of speed rusher they desperately need.

[CMartinJET]

Hey guys i'm a draftnik like the rest of you and I figured i would add my 2 cents.

1. I agree with what a lot of you are saying. Except I think D'Brickashaw at 4 would be the best choice for the Jets. I want that Walter Jones type of player at LT for us.
2. at 29 I see us going Mangold which i don't believe would be there in the early second. I mean if it comes down to Lawson Watson or Mangold I still think we go Mangold.
3 A third round guy I would draft if he is there is Victor Adeyanju DE out of Indiana. A great pass rusher with the ability to sack the quarterback. Tremendous athletic ability and a an excelent tackler. My fellow draftniks what do you think of him for the Jets in round 3, or my comments in general.
:jets:

[Rambo13]

Some more thoughts courtesy of Rambo:

Linebackers the Jets should look at
Lots of people on the board have been clamoring for Hawk because we are going to the 3-4. In my opinion that would be a horrible draft pick for us because we are going to the 3-4. If we stuck with the 4-3, maybe he could replace Hobson or Barton on the outside but not in the 3-4 and here's why.
Hawk would not play OLB in the 3-4. He was in the middle at Ohio State if I remember correctly and is projected as an OLB in the NFL. However, in our scheme we need someone who is more of a definate pass rusher. Someone who has come off the edge and can get to the QB. Hawk has proved to be an insane tackler and a ball hawk, but I don't think he showed he could be a premier pass rusher in the 3-4 (think Willie McGinest, Joey Porter, Terrell Suggs).
Furthermore, I think Hobson will move inside. When he came out he was projected as an ILB/SLB tweener. Someone who could bounce between the two positions. I think he will move inside with Vilma and compliment him. Hobson is slightly shorter but is thicker and stronger. I think Vilma will be running around everywhere and if he gets blocked Hobson can come in and blow the play up.
I think Barton will stay on the outside as he can get to the QB better than the rest of our LBs and can cover the TE better as well.

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Now to my draft points. We don't want to get Hawk, he doesn't seem to fit.
Therefore, I present 3 LBs who we should look at instead because we definately need more LBs if we are going to put 4 out on the field at a time.

{1} Manny Lawson - I think it is clear that he is the best 3-4 OLB pass rusher in the draft. I think he can be a DeMarcus Ware/Terrell Suggs type player for us. Someone who dominated at DE but can make a quick switch to the outside and get us 10 sacks a year. He would need to be picked at #29 or else I think he could go to someone like the Steelers at #32.

{2} D'Qwell Jackson - The best Middle Linebacker in the draft and, in my opinion, the second best linebacker in the draft. If we want someone to pair with Vilma in the middle we should look at Jackson. He played the 3-4 at Maryland and was a ridiculous tackler. I think he led the league in tackles in fact. He is all over the field and can play the middle. He would provide us with a solid interior for many years and would give us a player who can definately play the inside instead of a projection like Hobson.

{3} Jon Alston - I just like him because he has insane measurables and will be available on the second day of the draft. He would play the outside and rush the passer.

{x} Terna Nande - I'm not really advocating us drafting him, but he is the Vernon Davis of the LB position. He lifts unbelievable weights and is pretty fast. Might be like a Shawne Merriman player and worth a look on the second day.

[JetFanInPA]

It seems as if Mario Williams will be the pick at #4 unless we trade down, which would be great.

To me,

#4- Mario Williams DE
#29- Nick Mangold C
#35 is a very tough choice. I doubt that Manny Lawson will be around here and neither will Kamerion Wimbley. The problem with O'Callaghan is his health. CB shouldn't be adressed this early. I could see a Guard such as Max-Jean Gilles or Davin Joseph being taken here. But to make myself clear, a speed rushing OLB is the ideal selection here...

Thoughts?

[deviljets7]

It seems as if Mario Williams will be the pick at #4 unless we trade down, which would be great.

To me,

#4- Mario Williams DE
#29- Nick Mangold C
#35 is a very tough choice. I doubt that Manny Lawson will be around here and neither will Kamerion Wimbley. The problem with O'Callaghan is his health. CB shouldn't be adressed this early. I could see a Guard such as Max-Jean Gilles or Davin Joseph being taken here. But to make myself clear, a speed rushing OLB is the ideal selection here...

Thoughts?

I agree with what you said about Lawson/Wimbley. For that reason if either are there at #29 I think I take them at #29 over Mangold. Even if Mangold doesn't make it to 35, you have Joseph, Jean Giles, and O'Callaghan (played guard a lot in college) who can fill in at guard and move Kendall to center. Also with the contract Kendall got/Brandon Moore I doubt they take a guard at #35 if Mangold is takent at #29.

[Rambo13]

I disagree, I doubt both are gone at #35 but one certainly will be. I don't think anyone who isn't running a 3-4 will draft them, so I think one may go to the Steelers if we take Mangold at #29 but other than that...Seahawks? No. Colts? No. Texans? Maybe, but I see them getting their OT here. Saints? If they don't take Mario at #2, they aren't going to take a DE here.

[Green Hurricane]

I really see no reason that Wimbley would be taken before pick #35. He is a guy who's, flat out, a 34 OLB. I understand that he has the frame to add some weight, and does play well enough in space due to his athleticism, but going full time either way is not best for him. He's like Manny Lawson in that way, but Lawson I think will have a lot higher value from NFL teams because of the way he worked out; also, which is huge, he played Linebacker at NC State before settling in at DE where his pass rushing abilities could really be utilized. Showing he has that kind of speed, mixed with his production at NCSU, I think honestly Lawson will go #12 to Cleveland, at worst a few picks later on. As for Wimbley, I think he'll fit in somewhere mid Rd 2 unless a team like the Jets early in the round takes him because he fits the system better than any other option. In the last mock I did he didn't go to #52 and New England, really a great fit for him.

[deviljets7]

I really see no reason that Wimbley would be taken before pick #35. He is a guy who's, flat out, a 34 OLB. I understand that he has the frame to add some weight, and does play well enough in space due to his athleticism, but going full time either way is not best for him. He's like Manny Lawson in that way, but Lawson I think will have a lot higher value from NFL teams because of the way he worked out; also, which is huge, he played Linebacker at NC State before settling in at DE where his pass rushing abilities could really be utilized. Showing he has that kind of speed, mixed with his production at NCSU, I think honestly Lawson will go #12 to Cleveland, at worst a few picks later on. As for Wimbley, I think he'll fit in somewhere mid Rd 2 unless a team like the Jets early in the round takes him because he fits the system better than any other option. In the last mock I did he didn't go to #52 and New England, really a great fit for him.

There are enough teams running a 3-4 that if Lawson went that early I kind of doubt that Wimbley falls to #35, not impossible. New England I could especially see going after him at #21 or San Fran trading up (do have extra picks from the Brandon Lloyd trade).

[Green Hurricane]

There are enough teams running a 3-4 that if Lawson went that early I kind of doubt that Wimbley falls to #35, not impossible. New England I could especially see going after him at #21 or San Fran trading up (do have extra picks from the Brandon Lloyd trade).
Just because the option of taking him is there doesn't mean that they would, he just doesn't represent value at that point. They could just as easily take Bobby Carpenter at #21, who also projects very well as a 34 OLB (not sure why people have been questioning him lately here) and would require much less work than Wimbley. Looking at the rest of the round, the next 34 team you have is Pittsburgh at #32, and they're more than set with Porter, Haggans, and Harrison. At the top of Rd 2 you have the Texans, abandoning the 34, and the Saints, need a real LB.

[Rambo13]

Just because the option of taking him is there doesn't mean that they would, he just doesn't represent value at that point. They could just as easily take Bobby Carpenter at #21, who also projects very well as a 34 OLB (not sure why people have been questioning him lately here) and would require much less work than Wimbley. Looking at the rest of the round, the next 34 team you have is Pittsburgh at #32, and they're more than set with Porter, Haggans, and Harrison. At the top of Rd 2 you have the Texans, abandoning the 34, and the Saints, need a real LB.

Exactly my point :up:. If you think Wimbley and Lawson are there at #29... then at least one will be there at #35, guaranteed.

[JetFanInPA]

This is intresting now. Monquisato (sp?) Pope was signed probably to play DE in the 3-4. Kimo Von Olhoffen was also signed for a 3-4 DE. Does the FO still look at Mario Williams?

#4-Mario Williams DE
#29- Manny Lawson/Kamerion Wimbley/Bobby Carpenter OLB
#35- Nick Mangold C
#70- Jeremy Trueblood OT

#29 and #35 are interchangeable based on who is available when Tannenbaum is on the clock at #29.

Thoughts anyone?

[Jabba the Jet]

Most sites will never do it, takes too much time and gets too confusing, and we don't do it at draftdaddy either, but there should be two sets of Grades for a number of front seven prospects

One set of Grades should be for the 43, and the other set of Grades should be for the 34

That would be a much better reflection of the truth, because the Grades for many of these front seven cats will vary dramatically from team to team, depending upon which front they have in mind, the 43 or the 34

A cat like Lawson, for example, can easily carry a TOP 15 Grade on a 34 teams board, while his Grade would not even approach the TOP 15 area for a team that plays a 43

Ditto Wimbley ... he doesn't have Lawson's freakish 4.4. Speed for a 240+ Pounder, but he's 6' 4"/250+ and runs a 4.6, and that's VERY GOOD in it's own right ... so he can easily be a TOP 20-25 Guy on any number of 34 boards, while his Grade would NOT be that high on a 43 board

Point being, the Grades are pretty much "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" for most prospects, but you can toss that rule with a number of the front seven Guys ... and that also applies to the Pure DE's and DT's, not just the DE/OLB tweeners ... in the 34 you are looking for specific types of linemen as well, and some Guys may carry a High Grade on a 43 board but a Low Grade on a 34 board

That may be true of the pure linebackers as well, inside and out, but it would be to a lesser degree than the DE/OLB tweeners and the Pure DE's/DT's, so it really wouldn't be worth the trouble of creating two sets of Grades

Anyhow, the bottom line is this ... IMO it's a bit misleading to look at the consensus Grades for a number of front seven prospects and believe those Grades apply across the board, because they don't ... and this is something I believe we will address next year at draftdaddy, I will bring it up, because more teams are going to the 34 {there might be as many as eight or more in total this year}, so it's time for some site to break the mold and start Grading these front seven prospects the way they're supposed to be Graded, might as well be us :wink:

[JetFanInPA]

As for the Jets... I highly doubt that Mangini will take any players with poor attitudes or off-field problems since he came from a great organization like New England.

For example, after Lendale White's performance at his Pro Day, I really think he could have fallen off his draft board. This guy supposedly had a bad attitude/interview and I'm sure Mangini won't go for a player with a "loser's" mentality. I say this because a lot of people on this site have us taking him with the #29 in their mocks and I would be shocked if he was picked.

I'm sure he probably goes for hard working overachievers who use their abilities to the greatest extent and have good attitudes. This is one of the reasons John Abraham and Ty Law are no longer Jets.

I bet WR Mike Haas from Oregon is on his draft board. This is just because of the type of player he is. He's was a very productive overachiever in college and was a team leader. What this team really needs are players with a winning mentality and good morale. I really think this is becoming undervalued in the NFL these days and that if Tannenbaum could bring in more players like this, this team would really be moving north.

[JetFanInPA]

It's really hard to project the Jets picks I'm finding out. These are some of the problems I encounter.

- Adrian Jones definatley has the potential to be a very solid starter at Left Tackle in the NFL. My question is, why is there still a lot of talk about D'Brickshaw Ferguson? Sure he's probably a great player, but Left Tackle should no longer be a need. The only body there is at RT is Marko Cavka.

- Which position will Pete Kendal play? If it is Left Guard, which I feel he is more suited to play, than Nick Mangold should be a lock to be picked at #29 or #35. If he plays C, which he seemed to struggle at at times, than Davin Joseph of Oklahoma or Taitusi Lutui OG from USC should be the pick.

- Why the talk of a RB in the 1st/2nd round? Curtis Martin may be in the twilight of his career, but Cedric Houston looked very explosive and powerful in his 3 or 4 games starting last season despite playing behind the shackles that was our Offensive Line. Derrick Blaylock doesn't get a chance from many people on this board (I guess I'm one of them), but he is very explosive and should help out this year. If a RB is chosen, than it should be a speedy guy such as Maurice Drew UCLA no earlier than at #97.

That's all for now. Let's resurect this thread!

[deviljets7]

It's really hard to project the Jets picks I'm finding out. These are some of the problems I encounter.

- Adrian Jones definatley has the potential to be a very solid starter at Left Tackle in the NFL. My question is, why is there still a lot of talk about D'Brickshaw Ferguson? Sure he's probably a great player, but Left Tackle should no longer be a need. The only body there is at RT is Marko Cavka.

- Which position will Pete Kendal play? If it is Left Guard, which I feel he is more suited to play, than Nick Mangold should be a lock to be picked at #29 or #35. If he plays C, which he seemed to struggle at at times, than Davin Joseph of Oklahoma or Taitusi Lutui OG from USC should be the pick.

- Why the talk of a RB in the 1st/2nd round? Curtis Martin may be in the twilight of his career, but Cedric Houston looked very explosive and powerful in his 3 or 4 games starting last season despite playing behind the shackles that was our Offensive Line. Derrick Blaylock doesn't get a chance from many people on this board (I guess I'm one of them), but he is very explosive and should help out this year. If a RB is chosen, than it should be a speedy guy such as Maurice Drew UCLA no earlier than at #97.

That's all for now. Let's resurect this thread!

1. Yes Adrian Jones has the potential to be a solid LT, but D'Brick has the potential to be an elite LT. Also a big reason is that at this point there seems to be a pretty clear top 4 in this draft (Bush, Ferguson, Leinart, and M. Williams). I think a lot of the talk is based on who experts feel will fall to #4.

2. I agree that Kendall is best off at LG, however his ability to play C definately gives the Jets a lot of options. For that reason I'd take a speed rusher for OLB (Lawson, Wimbley, Carpenter) before Mangold. If Mangold didn't make it to #35, I'd be more than content with Jean-Giles or Joseph at guard and developmental C to be Kendall's successor.

3. Considering the depth the Jets have at RB, I have a feeling that if they don't use #29 or #35 on a RB, they won't use one at all on the position. After the top 5 RB's, I don't think any of them are any better of prospects than Cedric is. I think any chance of Drew went out the window with the signing of Tim Dwight. Blaylock has the speedy back role and Dwight/Miller have the return game set.

[Rambo13]

Yeah we don't "need" to draft a running back, but if Maroney is there at #29 I would be hard pressed to pass over him

[deviljets7]

Yeah we don't "need" to draft a running back, but if Maroney is there at #29 I would be hard pressed to pass over him

Maroney is talented, but I just wonder how much he's been helped by that amazing Minnesota O-Line. Also the need for an edge rusher IMO is so great that I don't think I could pass on Wimbley, Lawson, or Carpenter for Maroney.

[Rambo13]

That is definately true about the edge rushers. The thing is we are perfectly set up to get a top tier OLB prospect and the best center at #29 and #35, but if someone like Maroney fell then it would make our situation a little more tricky...in a good way!

[JetFanInPA]

I highly doubt that Manny Lawson or Kamerion Wimbley will make it to #29 or #35. I believe the player we are most likely to take is Bobby Carpenter out of Ohio State. I am also starting to believe that Kendall will play Center. So now I think we look for a Guard at either #29 or #35.

[Rambo13]

I highly doubt that Manny Lawson or Kamerion Wimbley will make it to #29 or #35. I believe the player we are most likely to take is Bobby Carpenter out of Ohio State. I am also starting to believe that Kendall will play Center. So now I think we look for a Guard at either #29 or #35.

I disagree. I think at least one or the other will make it to at least #29. At this point it looks like Wimbley will go before Lawson. I think there is a chance Pittsburgh takes Lawson if he is there at #32 but other than that, I see whoever is there at #29 being there at #35.

[JetFanInPA]

Yeah I do have Manny Lawson making it to #37 I believe in my latest mock. So I see your point.

I just posted my latest 3 Round NFL mock that includes all of the Jets selections through Round 7. I have a new philosophy for Day 1.

[Rambo13]

Yeah I do have Manny Lawson making it to #37 I believe in my latest mock. So I see your point.

I just posted my latest 3 Round NFL mock that includes all of the Jets selections through Round 7. I have a new philosophy for Day 1.

So I saw... :up: