Yankees @ Red Sox - April 20th - 22nd.

[Drew]

Friday, April 20th
Pettite vs. Schilling

Saturday, April 21st
Karstens vs. Beckett

Sunday, April 22nd
Wright vs. Matsuzaka

[dwalsh]

I think that we can win 2 out of these 3. It will be a very tough series, but if our bats stay hot it will [hopefully] be able to overcome being outpitched by the Sox

[28rogerblaze51]

im ready.

LETS GO.

[AlioTheFool]

We are at a big disadvantage in the pitching department on paper. I'm confident in Pettitte, but of course it's still Schilling he's facing.

Karstens is getting his first start back against Beckett? Damn...

Wright's big gift is going to come with added pressure if we don't take at least one of the first two.

We really need the bats this weekend. Let's go Yanks!!!

[Murrell2878]

Let's get it on!!! Go Sox!!

[AlioTheFool]

Let's get it on!!! Go Sox!!

How small do you think the Green Monster looks to ARod right now? :wink:

[Murrell2878]

How small do you think the Green Monster looks to ARod right now? :wink:

Big difference is he's going up against Red Sox pitching now!

[nyjunc]

We better win tonight or it could get ugly w/ the Sat and sun pitching matchups.

[ShadeTree#55]

Go Sox!!!!!

[nyjunc]

We know Shade will be watching the yankee game tonight and not the Mets as he cares more about Yankee losses than met wins.

[28rogerblaze51]

redsux are going to face the yankess now not these cornball teams they have been facing.

im ready to go.

go yankees.

[ShadeTree#55]

Doubt it...

[28rogerblaze51]

Doubt it...

u should be worried about the braves not the yankees.

[asbcheeks]

u should be worried about the braves not the yankees.

GO BRAVES... its chopping time.

Hypocrite much?

[ShadeTree#55]

I am not worried about the Yankees. The Sox will, handle them.

Not much to worry about with the Mets.

Mets lead MLB in:

Batting Average
On Base %
Slugging %
ERA
Stolen Bases

[nyjunc]

I am not worried about the Yankees. The Sox will, handle them.

Not much to worry about with the Mets.

Mets lead MLB in:

Batting Average
On Base %
Slugging %
ERA
Stolen Bases

You are ALWAYS worried about the Yankees which is why you are always talking about the Yankees.

[nyjunc]

Hypocrite much?

Hey cheeks: how come you weren't this active during CBB season?

[ShadeTree#55]

junc is desperate. Bringing up College Bball.

He knows the Yanks are doomed.

[asbcheeks]

Hey cheeks: how come you weren't this active during CBB season?

How come you scheduled your "vacation" during Final Four weekend?

[nyjunc]

How come you scheduled your "vacation" during Final Four weekend?

I was still going to be on vacation and unable to post whtehr the Heels beat GU or not. if I was running I wouldn't have posted at all after the GU game.

it's just interesting you weren't around all CBB season and now you are everywhere.

[asbcheeks]

I was still going to be on vacation and unable to post whtehr the Heels beat GU or not. if I was running I wouldn't have posted at all after the GU game.

it's just interesting you weren't around all CBB season and now you are everywhere.

I was around during CBB season, admittedly I did not have much good to say. . .

But I posted after Duke lost to UNC in Cameron, and after they lost in the tourney, and I occasionally came into the trenches to defend the ACC and call out Hackett on his statistical cherry-picking.

I also participated in the bracket challenge, and did a running tally of the BE and ACC's results in the dance and the NIT.

I just hope you had a TV where you were, to be able to watch the FF had the Heels made it. . .

[28rogerblaze51]

Hypocrite much?

how am i a hypocrite?

[asbcheeks]

how am i a hypocrite?

Do I really have to spell it out? You call out Shade for worrying about the Yanks, meanwhile you are posting anti-Mets stuff in the Mets thread.

[The Dark Knight]

The best thing the Yankees pitching has seen in a long time:

The Red Sox lineup. :up:

[Murrell2878]

The best thing the Yankees pitching has seen in a long time:

The Red Sox lineup. :up:

You must be betting the over this weekend huh :rofl:

[nyjunc]

I was around during CBB season, admittedly I did not have much good to say. . .

But I posted after Duke lost to UNC in Cameron, and after they lost in the tourney, and I occasionally came into the trenches to defend the ACC and call out Hackett on his statistical cherry-picking.

I also participated in the bracket challenge, and did a running tally of the BE and ACC's results in the dance and the NIT.

I just hope you had a TV where you were, to be able to watch the FF had the Heels made it. . .

I had TV, I had a computer but I was on vacation and I cannot spend time talking on MBs. I was possibly going to go up to Atl for the FF had the Heels held on.

[28rogerblaze51]

Do I really have to spell it out? You call out Shade for worrying about the Yanks, meanwhile you are posting anti-Mets stuff in the Mets thread.

so your saying i cant do it? im doing it once just to get back at shade thats all, shade knows what im doing, ummm. do i even know you?

[asbcheeks]

so your saying i cant do it? im doing it once just to get back at shade thats all, shade knows what im doing, ummm. do i even know you?

Do it all you want, are you saying I can't call you out for it because you don't know me?

[28rogerblaze51]

Do it all you want, are you saying I can't call you out for it because you don't know me?

call me out? WTF. i did it once not continously and your calling me out, damn ASSCHEEKS if you need attention just start a thread.

[AlioTheFool]

Oi...

See what you started now Shade? :lol:

[Don]

Haha...this thread will have 10 pages complete before the first pitch of the first game is ever thrown.

[Don]

Big difference is he's going up against Red Sox pitching now!
I don't think any pitchers the Sox have worry the Yankees except maybe Kamikasi or whatever his name is. He won't either once they have seen him once. They never seem to have trouble with the others. Besides, our Japanese pitcher is 1-0 and yours is 1-2. Ours is a 5th starter and only cost half as much. That should tell you something about the difference in lineups.

[AlioTheFool]

I don't think any pitchers the Sox have worry the Yankees except maybe Kamikasi or whatever his name is. He won't either once they have seen him once. They never seem to have trouble with the others. Besides, our Japanese pitcher is 1-0 and yours is 1-2. Ours is a 5th starter and only cost half as much. That should tell you something about the difference in lineups.

I wouldn't start counting the chickens yet. Josh Beckett is suddenly a major leaguer again. Schilling, no matter when he fails, or how badly, is still Schilling, and at any time can turn it on and mow down batters. Dice-K has still been good in his starts. Has he been mow 'em down phenominal? I don't think so. However, he's still pretty damned good, and he's going up against a guy with exactly 1 professional start.

I'll be honest, I fear Boston's rotation. Their lineup not so much, except the obvious two in the heart.

[Don]

I wouldn't start counting the chickens yet. Josh Beckett is suddenly a major leaguer again. Schilling, no matter when he fails, or how badly, is still Schilling, and at any time can turn it on and mow down batters. Dice-K has still been good in his starts. Has he been mow 'em down phenominal? I don't think so. However, he's still pretty damned good, and he's going up against a guy with exactly 1 professional start.

I'll be honest, I fear Boston's rotation. Their lineup not so much, except the obvious two in the heart.
He has been good and lost 2 games. You missed my point.

[AlioTheFool]

He has been good and lost 2 games. You missed my point.

I didn't miss it. I'm just saying let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I just don't want us getting all hyped up, thinking we're going in and blowing them out of their own house, then we walk out of there with our tails between our legs.

Of course I want us to pull out the brooms Sunday night. That would rock. I just doubt it will happen.

[GreenMachine]

I think the 2 players that will be under the most pressure are Dice-K and A-Rod.

Can they both perform in the big rivalry?

[Don]

I didn't miss it. I'm just saying let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I just don't want us getting all hyped up, thinking we're going in and blowing them out of their own house, then we walk out of there with our tails between our legs.

Of course I want us to pull out the brooms Sunday night. That would rock. I just doubt it will happen.
Oh, I have no doubt we won't do well this weekend with the starters we have going Saturday and Sunday. If we do then Boston is much worse then anybody knows at this point. I'm just saying when we have our normal starters againbst their normal starters I would expect us to do better because of our lineup.

[AlioTheFool]

Oh, I have no doubt we won't do well this weekend with the starters we have going Saturday and Sunday. If we do then Boston is much worse then anybody knows at this point. I'm just saying when we have our normal starters againbst their normal starters I would expect us to do better because of our lineup.

I don't think our success hinges too much on our pitching. Except for Ortiz and Manny, I don't fear Boston's lineup.

I think our problem is going to be hitting off their starters. If we can jump out to early leads, we stand a great chance of winning. If we don't...

[Don]

I don't think our success hinges too much on our pitching. Except for Ortiz and Manny, I don't fear Boston's lineup.

I think our problem is going to be hitting off their starters. If we can jump out to early leads, we stand a great chance of winning. If we don't...
Haha..we might be better off falling behind and letting our bullpen take over. They are lights out. (except that one stupid pitch by Rivera)

[AlioTheFool]

Haha..we might be better off falling behind and letting our bullpen take over. They are lights out. (except that one stupid pitch by Rivera)

I know you're just joking, but I have nightmares about falling behind Boston. That's one team you have to jump on early.

[Don]

I know you're just joking, but I have nightmares about falling behind Boston. That's one team you have to jump on early.
Not really, their bullpen is terrible. Except for their closer.

[JoeJet]

call me out? WTF. i did it once not continously and your calling me out, damn ASSCHEEKS if you need attention just start a thread.

Cheeks....you have 28assholeblaze51 on the run.......lol

[The Dark Knight]

The Red Sox need to take 2 of 3 from the Yankees right now.

The Yankees pitching is at its worst (God forbid) that the Sox will see it this season.

The Sox are pitching their #1,2,3 pitchers and are at home.

Anything other than 2 of 3 is a BIG failure.

[Cellar-door]

Not really, their bullpen is terrible. Except for their closer.

they have the 5th best bullpen ERA in the league. Best in the AL
Their top 4 relievers all have an ERA under 1.50
hard to call that terrible

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

GRSC = Great Red Sox Collapse

[ShadeTree#55]

No need for a personal attack

[Don]

they have the 5th best bullpen ERA in the league. Best in the AL
Their top 4 relievers all have an ERA under 1.50
hard to call that terrible
Watch the games this weekend and you will see for yourself.

[Cellar-door]

Watch the games this weekend and you will see for yourself.

I've watched quite a few games, other than timlin and Snyder (the mop up guy) the bullpen looks good, Papelbon has been unhittable, donnelly looks like he did in 02-05, Okajima and Lopez have been deadly on lefties, and pinero has had good stuff, Romero looked good in the games I saw him, though i didn't see the appearance against TEX where he got rocked.
I would bet that I have seen more of their pen than you, saying that it is terrible is fairly foolish, since they are performing well and several of them have good track records. Mostly that is just wishful thinking on your part, will the red Sox keep up a 2.58 ERA? No, but that is a solid staff. If you actually watch baseball games as opposed to buying into spring training rumors you might see that

[Don]

I've watched quite a few games, other than timlin and Snyder (the mop up guy) the bullpen looks good, Papelbon has been unhittable, donnelly looks like he did in 02-05, Okajima and Lopez have been deadly on lefties, and pinero has had good stuff, Romero looked good in the games I saw him, though i didn't see the appearance against TEX where he got rocked.
I would bet that I have seen more of their pen than you, saying that it is terrible is fairly foolish, since they are performing well and several of them have good track records. Mostly that is just wishful thinking on your part, will the red Sox keep up a 2.58 ERA? No, but that is a solid staff. If you actually watch baseball games as opposed to buying into spring training rumors you might see that
I'll certainly see them all this weekend and I will take the Yankees BP over Boston's any day. (This year, anyway)

[Cellar-door]

I forgot how painfully bad michael Kay is, he is awful

[typeOnegative13NY]

Arod over the monster!! 2-0

[BadgerOnLSD]

WOOOOOOO HR baby!

[Jetfanmack]

An A-Bomb...From A-Rod.

[Don]

It doesn't really matter who the pitcher is, who the team is. Of course he will cool off at some point but it is pretty apparent this will be a monster year when it's over for him. No doubt he should be batting third right now. Twice he led off the inning. Batting 3rd he would have come up both times with men on base. Wonder if that thought even crosses clueless joe's mind.

[BadgerOnLSD]

HAHA HE GOT COCOWNED

WOOO Arod

[typeOnegative13NY]

unbelieveable!! un fucking believeable. another 3 run hr for arod

[typeOnegative13NY]

HAHA HE GOT COCOWNED

WOOO Arod

:rofl: thta was quite an effort by cocoa crispies

[Drew]

Oh MY GOD.

He's fucking possessed. THIS is what we traded for.

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

ANOTHER A-BOMB FROM A-ROD!

THIS GUY IS A ROBOT!

[Canadian]

Holy Shit, that's all I can say holy f'in shit!:smile:

[The Future]

I can't even explain words.

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It looks like CoCo is trying to get away from it all.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Anyone else despise Boston and every thing it stands for?

[Canadian]

God Damn I hate the Red Sox

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Im not even rooting for yankees wins and red sox losses anymore...im rooting for red sox fans to shut up

[typeOnegative13NY]

torre and his bullpen management blew this game

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Arod fails the Yankees in yet another big spot, let the booing resume!

[Murrell2878]

All I have to say is.....YEAH BABY!!!

[MisterMoss]

This is troubling.

[Murrell2878]

This is troubling.

No it's not!! THis is great!!

[wildthing2022000]

The Sox win again, how did Mr. Clutch do in the clutch this time?

[EcKo151]

The Sox win again, how did Mr. Clutch do in the clutch this time?
He was just about the only reason why the Yankees had 6 runs...His 3-run shot with 2 outs, not clutch? In the 9th, sure he got jammed, but still 3-5, relax.

Another wasted effort by Pettitte...

Mo has to get his shit straight, that was sickening watching that...I'm stunned im typing this instead of a win, what a disaster 8th.

[Dirtywater]

What a classic game yet again by the Sox & Yanks. We are both very lucky that we get to enjoy a caliber of baseball like this.

Win or lose, you go t to admit, our games are awesome to watch.

[Dirtywater]

He has been good and lost 2 games. You missed my point.

Very true, he did. But that is a bit intellectually dishonest. The Sox didn't score many runs (if any at all) in those games, and outside of one terribly bad inning, Dice-K has looked good.

[The Dark Knight]

The Sox win again, how did Mr. Clutch do in the clutch this time?

What an ass comment. A-Rod is a beast.

You cannot expect him to get a hit in every big spot.

[HCoftheNYJ]

As a met fan, I can't begin to explain how retarded I find the whole "A-Rod can't hit in the clutch argument is. If he hit .800 in clutch situations people would still be screaming about the 2 out of 10 times when he failed.

[davecrazy]

at what point do Yankee fans admit that the Sox have Rivera figured out.

[nyj55]

Im not even rooting for yankees wins and red sox losses anymore...im rooting for red sox fans to shut up
i totally agree. Me and some guys from school went to the game tonight (my first at fenway) and it was brutal after the game. Red Sox fans are utterly classless, and there is no other word to describe them. I realize that red sox fans get a hard time in the bronx but its nothing more than just some heckling, i feel lucky to have made it out of there and back to campus alive

[nyj55]

god i hate the red sox, tonight they leapfrogged significantly over the patriots for my most hated team in sports

[Dirtywater]

i totally agree. Me and some guys from school went to the game tonight (my first at fenway) and it was brutal after the game. Red Sox fans are utterly classless, and there is no other word to describe them. I realize that red sox fans get a hard time in the bronx but its nothing more than just some heckling, i feel lucky to have made it out of there and back to campus alive


Right. Just some heckling. :rofl:

Both sets of fans, when facing off, are utterly classless.

[Murrell2878]

Right. Just some heckling. :rofl:

Both sets of fans, when facing off, are utterly classless.

absolutely. I have seen Sox/Yanks games at both places.

[Don]

The Sox win again, how did Mr. Clutch do in the clutch this time?
hmm..let's see, he hit 2 hrs which both times gave them the lead..he hit a double to set up another run...i guess he needs to become a pitcher too so that he can single handedly win 162 games a year for them..then they can get rid of everybody else and be guarenteed a ws win every year he plays for the rest of his life.

that's how he did

[wildthing2022000]

hmm..let's see, he hit 2 hrs which both times gave them the lead..he hit a double to set up another run...i guess he needs to become a pitcher too so that he can single handedly win 162 games a year for them..then they can get rid of everybody else and be guarenteed a ws win every year he plays for the rest of his life.

that's how he did

Can you read? I said in the clutch aka the 9th inning...geez.

[Don]

Can you read? I said in the clutch aka the 9th inning...geez.
hmm..do you even know what the word clutch means? Everytime you are behind it is a clutch situation. I told you how he did in the clutch. Like I said he isn't the pitcher too. The appropriate question would have been how did Rivera do in his clutch situation. Despite the fact it appears that way, Arod ISN'T the whole team. If you wanted to just concern yourself with hitting you could have also asked how did Jeter, Giambi, Cano and Damon do in the clutch. Combined they still don't have the number of RBIs that Arod has by himself.

[nyjunc]

WT is here to rub it in! what a shock, whee was he last August and September? Mr. front runner returns!




What an incrediby frustrating game, the Sox bottom of the lineup beats mariano but our heart of the order can't get it done against some scrub pitcher.

I guess Mariano is stuck in his almost annual early season troubles.

[nyjunc]

at what point do Yankee fans admit that the Sox have Rivera figured out.

They haven't, sure they have had some success against him in the reg season but not much in postseason nd big games down the stretch. people forget he shut them down in '99 and '03 an in '04 he blew the one agme then came on w/ 1st and 3rd an 0 out to "blow"the 2nd one. he did an amazing job to get out of that inning w/ 1 run given up.

Right now Mariano is going throgh his usual early season troubles.

[Don]

They haven't, sure they have had some success against him in the reg season but not much in postseason nd big games down the stretch. people forget he shut them down in '99 and '03 an in '04 he blew the one agme then came on w/ 1st and 3rd an 0 out to "blow"the 2nd one. he did an amazing job to get out of that inning w/ 1 run given up.

Right now Mariano is going throgh his usual early season troubles.
I agree. I just don't understand why when he looked so good coming out of spring training. I think Torre has to wake up and use him more, even if it isn't a save situation. He is going days at a time with no action and it is probably making him stale.

[AlioTheFool]

I agree. I just don't understand why when he looked so good coming out of spring training. I think Torre has to wake up and use him more, even if it isn't a save situation. He is going days at a time with no action and it is probably making him stale.

That's exactly it. Mo hasn't had many opportunities coming out of Spring Training. He's the kind of guy that needs to work. He always has been.

This has nothing to do with the Sox "figuring Mo out." The fact is, they played harder late, and earned a win, and Joe Torre is a total f'n tool. Mister Micromanagment blew yet another game for us.

But blaming Mo or Joe is taking due credit away from the Sox, who outplayed us late in the game. We can bitch all we want about how the Sox lineup isn't as good as ours. Or their bullpen should be outclassed by us. Or whatever. The fact is, the Sox are, and have been, a playoff team. We underestimated them last night.

Joe Torre sending in a rookie to get thrown out at second in place of Giambi was STUPID. Joe pulling Myers after one batter once again, STUPID. Joe allowing Thompson to hit rather than let Phelps pinch, STUPID. (I understand the point is because Phelps was the only guy left available to catch, but you just give up the DH, and pray it doesn't go 12 innings.) Sending in Mo to make up for Sunday's debacle, in Boston, after sitting for a week, STUPID.

Joe Torre simply made his typically poor decisions, and left the door open for Boston to beat us. This is not Tampa Bay, this is one of the best clubs in the league, and a legit playoff contender. If you give a team like the Sox a chance to beat you, the chances are, they are going to.
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On a side note, I don't know how many people saw the Cards/Cubs game or clips yesterday. There was a play late in that game where the guy on first took off to steal, but the hitter's result was ball four. Rather than pay attention, he slid into second, head-first, and overslid the bag. A heads-up play by Eckstein had him tagging out the runner. That's smart heads-up baseball.

Why do I bring that up?

Was anyone watching Cano playing absolutely LAZY on Ortiz's overslide? Could have been the SAME EXACT play. My wife and I were both saying it. Quite simply, as good as Cano can be talent-wise, he has some severe mental lapses during games. He plays totally lazy, and it's really getting on my nerves. This is just the latest example.

Had he been paying attention, that entire inning could have been totally different. But again, you give the Sox an opportunity, and they WILL beat you.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Torre is constantly fucking these situations up. A guy gives up 1 base hit and he pulls him for a guy that gives up 10 leaves him in. If your SP has a 6-2 lead and hasn't given up a run in 4 innings or whatever it was,why the hell take him out and completely fuck the rythym of the game?

[EcKo151]

Torre is constantly fucking these situations up. A guy gives up 1 base hit and he pulls him for a guy that gives up 10 leaves him in. If your SP has a 6-2 lead and hasn't given up a run in 4 innings or whatever it was,why the hell take him out and completely fuck the rythym of the game?
Are you at all surprised at Joseph's moves? Pettitte was pitching great and their was no reason to yank him...Yes Proctor did his job, but their wasn't any reason to take out Andy.

And you leave Kevin Thompson to bat with a man on in the bottom of the 9th? I don't care if Giambi is hitting 0.25 against lefties, he sure as hell gives you a better shot than a rookie playing in Fenway Park pissing in his pants.

If the Yanks can salvage one of the next 2 considering the pitching matchups, i'll take it.

[nyjunc]

We are back to blaming Joe already? Did any of you guys notice Andy was running out of steam a bit? If he left him in there and Boston came back there would be the same complaints about Joe. The bottom line is Boston beat us by beating our HOF closer. nothing else matters, Mariano had a 3 run lead to protect and couldn't do it. Mariano blew it, it happens once in a while.

[Don]

Pettitte must be thinking Houston looks pretty good right now. No matter how well he pitches here he doesn't get the win.

[Don]

We are back to blaming Joe already? Did any of you guys notice Andy was running out of steam a bit? If he left him in there and Boston came back there would be the same complaints about Joe. The bottom line is Boston beat us by beating our HOF closer. nothing else matters, Mariano had a 3 run lead to protect and couldn't do it. Mariano blew it, it happens once in a while.
He wouldn't have given up 5 runs if Torre left him in. That's the bottom line.

[AlioTheFool]

Pettitte must be thinking Houston looks pretty good right now. No matter how well he pitches here he doesn't get the win.

I wouldn't go that far. He wants to win it all, and he has a far greater chance of doing that here than in Houston.
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And yes junc, we are blaming Torre. If you can sit and dwell on ARod's past as justification of your arguments, then we can surely be justified in pointing the finger at Joe's piss-poor decision making skills.

The fact is, Joe is HORRID in-game manager. I don't give a damn how much his players love him, the Jets players loved Herm too. Oh, but wait, you love Herm too, so I guess the point is lost on you there.

At some point, you have to look at the situation realistically. If Joe had not pinch-run for Giambi late, and instead let him just run, he would have been on-deck when Alex came to bat in the ninth. If you don't honestly believe that such a situation would have totally changed the pitch selection to Alex, you know nothing about baseball.

And how you can defend the decision to put Mo in last night, after sitting for a week, and after his last outing was a failure, against one of the best teams in the sport, is beyond me.

I would have pulled Andy too. We don't disagree there. However, why did Myers only pitch to one hitter? Hell, why did Proctor get pulled? This lefty against lefty, righty against righty bullshit is tired. If a guy can't pitch to lefties and righties, he has no place on a playoff team.

We know that all of our pitchers CAN pitch to either side of the plate. Yet Joe insists on his micromanagement of every single situation in the "here and now." Of course, as we see SO OFTEN with Joe, his handling of a single situation now, results in a mismanagement of a small situation later, which results in yet another L where a W was all but guaranteed.

Keep defending Joe. At some point, he's going to lead to a total collapse of this team. Plain and simple, I want him fired NOW. Not at the end of the season, not next week, this morning. Donnie can have the reigns right now, on an interim basis for the rest of the year, and if it doesn't look like it's working, Girardi leaves the booth in October, and officially becomes the Yankee manager.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Are you at all surprised at Joseph's moves? Pettitte was pitching great and their was no reason to yank him...Yes Proctor did his job, but their wasn't any reason to take out Andy.

And you leave Kevin Thompson to bat with a man on in the bottom of the 9th? I don't care if Giambi is hitting 0.25 against lefties, he sure as hell gives you a better shot than a rookie playing in Fenway Park pissing in his pants.

If the Yanks can salvage one of the next 2 considering the pitching matchups, i'll take it.
It really is amazing. I would have even felt better if he left Proctor in longer. He is constantly disrupting any pitching ryhthm late in the game.

[Don]

Here's a really scary thought. I was just reading where the Boston fans not only didn't boo Arod last night but were mildly cheering him when he came up to bat in the 8th before his double. Maybe Yankee fans could learn something from them. It will probably speak volumes for what he does at the end of this year.

[Sundayjack]

What an incredibly frustrating game, the Sox bottom of the lineup beats mariano but our heart of the order can't get it done against some scrub pitcher.

I guess Mariano is stuck in his almost annual early season troubles.

That isn't lost on me. It was my first thought when he came in when he did - that if he were ever going to blow one, it would be in April, and it would be in Boston. By the way, where the hell was Mientkiewicz playing?! He's a defensive replacement, fuhcryinoutloud. Doesn't that include guarding the line?!

Lastly, I'll throw you Yankee fans a big fat bone. There are two Sox players - one critically important, the other just necessary - who are HUGE dope smoking pals. Don't think that doesn't concern me.

[Don]

That isn't lost on me. It was my first thought when he came in when he did - that if he were ever going to blow one, it would be in April, and it would be in Boston. By the way, where the hell was Mientkiewicz playing?! He's a defensive replacement, fuhcryinoutloud. Doesn't that include guarding the line?!

Lastly, I'll throw you Yankee fans a big fat bone. There are two Sox players - one critically important, the other just necessary - who are HUGE dope smoking pals. Don't think that doesn't concern me.
He has blown two, not one and both in April. Two save chances this month. Two blown saves and two losses.

[The Dark Knight]

And you leave Kevin Thompson to bat with a man on in the bottom of the 9th? I don't care if Giambi is hitting 0.25 against lefties, he sure as hell gives you a better shot than a rookie playing in Fenway Park pissing in his pants.


I don't know who we have on the bench, but Giambi was pulled for a pinch runner in the 8th I believe and wasn't an option.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Here's a really scary thought. I was just reading where the Boston fans not only didn't boo Arod last night but were mildly cheering him when he came up to bat in the 8th before his double. Maybe Yankee fans could learn something from them. It will probably speak volumes for what he does at the end of this year.
I was worried before the game that his streak would end with the pressure in Boston. Glad to be wrong.

[typeOnegative13NY]

I don't know who we have on the bench, but Giambi was pulled for a pinch runner in the 8th I believe and wasn't an option.

That just shows that Torre managed a 7 inning game last night.

[EcKo151]

I don't know who we have on the bench, but Giambi was pulled for a pinch runner in the 8th I believe and wasn't an option.
My mistake then...And even furthermore a dumb decision. With a 4-run lead you pinch run? Giambi is a big part of this lineup and you put some rookie in there...

[Don]

I wouldn't go that far. He wants to win it all, and he has a far greater chance of doing that here than in Houston.
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And yes junc, we are blaming Torre. If you can sit and dwell on ARod's past as justification of your arguments, then we can surely be justified in pointing the finger at Joe's piss-poor decision making skills.

The fact is, Joe is HORRID in-game manager. I don't give a damn how much his players love him, the Jets players loved Herm too. Oh, but wait, you love Herm too, so I guess the point is lost on you there.

At some point, you have to look at the situation realistically. If Joe had not pinch-run for Giambi late, and instead let him just run, he would have been on-deck when Alex came to bat in the ninth. If you don't honestly believe that such a situation would have totally changed the pitch selection to Alex, you know nothing about baseball.

And how you can defend the decision to put Mo in last night, after sitting for a week, and after his last outing was a failure, against one of the best teams in the sport, is beyond me.

I would have pulled Andy too. We don't disagree there. However, why did Myers only pitch to one hitter? Hell, why did Proctor get pulled? This lefty against lefty, righty against righty bullshit is tired. If a guy can't pitch to lefties and righties, he has no place on a playoff team.

We know that all of our pitchers CAN pitch to either side of the plate. Yet Joe insists on his micromanagement of every single situation in the "here and now." Of course, as we see SO OFTEN with Joe, his handling of a single situation now, results in a mismanagement of a small situation later, which results in yet another L where a W was all but guaranteed.

Keep defending Joe. At some point, he's going to lead to a total collapse of this team. Plain and simple, I want him fired NOW. Not at the end of the season, not next week, this morning. Donnie can have the reigns right now, on an interim basis for the rest of the year, and if it doesn't look like it's working, Girardi leaves the booth in October, and officially becomes the Yankee manager.
And Larry Bowa could fill in until Mattingly is ready too. There are lots of options.

[The Dark Knight]

My mistake then...And even furthermore a dumb decision. With a 4-run lead you pinch run? Giambi is a big part of this lineup and you put some rookie in there...

Even worse, the next pitch was a force out on the pinch runner anyway. :sad:

[Don]

We could come out of Boston 4 games back. Arod can't keep carrying the team much longer. There is nobody else except maybe Posada who is hot and he may miss the next few games anyway. If somebody doesn't get hot quick we could fall way back in a hurry with our banged up starting rotation being what it is. Hopefully Matsui and Wang will help.

[BIG COUNTRY]

That game all falls on Torre, he made some offensive decisions, they go beyond stupid.

[Murrell2878]

Did they say Mariano has blown 9 saves out of 29 chances vs. Boston since 2003?

[Canadian]

Holy Crap Yes!!!!

It was suppossed to be Cubs-Cards for me but they are showing the Yanks instead!!!!:beer:


And to top it off my new Yanks sweatshirt and Cano jersey just came:beer:

[Canadian]

I was talking about this with my dad and the Yankees have a TON of young pitchers/rookies for the future

Pavano
Rasner
Chase Wright
Igawa
Wang
Hughes
Sanchez
Karstens

[Canadian]

Yeah Yanks! 1-0

[davecrazy]

Did they say Mariano has blown 9 saves out of 29 chances vs. Boston since 2003?

Thats a good 30%.

Hardly dominate.

[Murrell2878]

Papi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Don]

So, where the hell is Damon in this game?

[Canadian]

Not bad so far 4-2 Yanks

[Don]

And for the fourth time at least in the past 2 games, Arod will be leading off an inning. When will Torre figure out he should be batting 3rd and not cleanup.

[Don]

Damn our pitching sucks. We could score 20 runs and they will give up 21.

[Murrell2878]

Papi is going to lose one today

[Don]

Another wasted leadoff double by Arod.

[Don]

Maybe we have another little leaguer we can bring in to replace this bum.

[Canadian]

God Damnit David Ortiz, just tear an acl or something, please

[Murrell2878]

God Damnit David Ortiz, just tear an acl or something, please

real nice :rolleyes:

[Barry the Baptist]

God Damnit David Ortiz, just tear an acl or something, please

Man it's one thing to hate the guy but to wish serious injury is classless

[Don]

Man it's one thing to hate the guy but to wish serious injury is classless
Yeah, especially for him. As a huge Yankee fan I can't bring myself to even hate him.

[Learn To Swim]

Only a single for A-Rod. A disgrace to clutchness.

[davecrazy]

God Damnit David Ortiz, just tear an acl or something, please

There's class, then there's Yankee fan class!

[Murrell2878]

That was beautiful!!! Let's get some runs!!

[Barry the Baptist]

There's class, then there's Yankee fan class!

I think you mean there's classless, then there's Yankee fans.

[Barry the Baptist]

Ok Suzyn Waldman we know you love Kevin Thompson, the play wasn't that amazing.

[Barry the Baptist]

John Sterling "I'm sure the Yankees would love to get someone on base" No shit they're down by 2 runs of course they would love to get someone on base.

[Learn To Swim]

God Damnit David Ortiz, just tear an acl or something, pleaseIf you're going to be a jackass, take the Rangers logo out of your avatar. Don't embarrass me.

[Sundayjack]

Game suddenly has drama.

[Canadian]

If you're going to be a jackass, take the Rangers logo out of your avatar. Don't embarrass me.

Jeez people I was kidding. I would never want anyone to get hurt, and I deeply respect Ortiz

[Canadian]

God dangit Jeter

[Canadian]

NOOOO! I got excited there for a second but it just didn't happen

[Barry the Baptist]

Yankess lose theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees lose

[Don]

So, Jeter continues his streak of not having a single meaningful at bat this year. Oh, and is it just me or does he also look fat? About 10-15 pounds overweight is what I see.

[Murrell2878]

This is awesome!! And I called Papi's HR!! His GW HR!!

[FirstTimeCaller]

God dangit Jeter

You mean God Dang it Captain Clutch. :up:

[AlioTheFool]

Damnit. I want Joe fired NOW. No more waiting. No more bullshit. This team is mismanaged, and puts in zero effort. I'm disgusted right now.

And I want Joe to answer ONE damn question: Why the FUCK he continues tohave our pitchers pitch David Ortiz INSIDE.

Joe you stupid assfuck, this guy MURDERS inside pitches. What the hell is so hard to understand about that?

[Don]

Damnit. I want Joe fired NOW. No more waiting. No more bullshit. This team is mismanaged, and puts in zero effort. I'm disgusted right now.

And I want Joe to answer ONE damn question: Why the FUCK he continues tohave our pitchers pitch David Ortiz INSIDE.

Joe you stupid assfuck, this guy MURDERS inside pitches. What the hell is so hard to understand about that?
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

However, I agree. Him and Cashman. Now. We will NOT even make the playoffs this year with those two running the show. Cashman traded Johnson for nothing and Sheffield for even less. And I don't want to hear this shit that Johnson asked to leave. He didn't. He said if an opportunity came up that would help the Yankees he would be willing to leave. Period.

[AlioTheFool]

So, Jeter continues his streak of not having a single meaningful at bat this year. Oh, and is it just me or does he also look fat? About 10-15 pounds overweight is what I see.

Yes Jeter looks overweight. 8 was discussing this with someone the other day. Abreu does too. Add in the overall lethargy, and all the injuries, I truly think this new Conditioning coach is damaging this team.

We need a big overhaul in the coaching staff. Now.

[Barry the Baptist]

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

However, I agree. Him and Cashman. Now. We will NOT even make the playoffs this year with those two running the show. Cashman traded Johnson for nothing and Sheffield for even less. And I don't want to hear this shit that Johnson asked to leave. He didn't. He said if an opportunity came up that would help the Yankees he would be willing to leave. Period.

Oh stop it... you guys will make the playoffs. You Yankee fans are pathetic a little bump in the road and you guys are crying like somebody ran over your puppy. Lets see you best pitcher is on DL, the guy who was your second best pitcher last year is on the DL. Damon is hurt, Posada is hurt oh and Matsui has played what 2 games this year. Try rooting for a team that doesnt have a chance to win it every year and you will realize what it's like to be a real baseball fan.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Yes Jeter looks overweight. 8 was discussing this with someone the other day. Abreu does too. Add in the overall lethargy, and all the injuries, I truly think this new Conditioning coach is damaging this team.

We need a big overhaul in the coaching staff. Now.


So it's a coaches fault that these guys got fat? :rofl:

[Don]

Yes Jeter looks overweight. 8 was discussing this with someone the other day. Abreu does too. Add in the overall lethargy, and all the injuries, I truly think this new Conditioning coach is damaging this team.

We need a big overhaul in the coaching staff. Now.
And how many fly balls has Abreu misplayed or just dropped outright. Two misplayed today alone. He no longer gets walks too. He should be batting fifth, Arod third and Giambi 4th at this point regardless of what his average might be. It seems Arod is always leading off an inning which means Abreu is always making the last out the inning before.

[AlioTheFool]

You know, this morning, after seeing multiple Mets fan posts about supposed Yankee arrogance, I went into the Mets/Braves series thread to see how many Yankee fans had gone in there to talk shit about the Mets game last night.

I found that only Roger had gone in there, and he had only tlaked generally. Amazingly, once again, Mets fans camped in here today to once again troll the shit out the thread.

Quite frankly, it's pissing me off to no end. I'm coming into game threads to discuss the game, and I have to navigate through 10 posts of dickhead Mets fan posts telling a guy he's classless for making an obvious joke.

I'm sitting here on my damn phone trying to get through the meaningful posts regarding the game, and half of it is Mets fan shit talk.

But it's the Yankee fans they claim have no class. Wake up children. This is the one thing junc is actually spot on about. You're more obsessed with the Yankees than you are with your own team.

[Learn To Swim]

Bobby Abreu looking lazy and unmotivated, fire still hot.

[Don]

You know, this morning, after seeing multiple Mets fan posts about supposed Yankee arrogance, I went into the Mets/Braves series thread to see how many Yankee fans had gone in there to talk shit about the Mets game last night.

I found that only Roger had gone in there, and he had only tlaked generally. Amazingly, once again, Mets fans camped in here today to once again troll the shit out the thread.

Quite frankly, it's pissing me off to no end. I'm coming into game threads to discuss the game, and I have to navigate through 10 posts of dickhead Mets fan posts telling a guy he's classless for making an obvious joke.

I'm sitting here on my damn phone trying to get through the meaningful posts regarding the game, and half of it is Mets fan shit talk.

But it's the Yankee fans they claim have no class. Wake up children. This is the one thing junc is actually spot on about. You're more obsessed with the Yankees than you are with your own team.
Yankee fans could care less about the Mets. That's the difference. We have no inferiority complex to try and overcome.

[Learn To Swim]

You know, this morning, after seeing multiple Mets fan posts about supposed Yankee arrogance, I went into the Mets/Braves series thread to see how many Yankee fans had gone in there to talk shit about the Mets game last night.

I found that only Roger had gone in there, and he had only tlaked generally. Amazingly, once again, Mets fans camped in here today to once again troll the shit out the thread.

Quite frankly, it's pissing me off to no end. I'm coming into game threads to discuss the game, and I have to navigate through 10 posts of dickhead Mets fan posts telling a guy he's classless for making an obvious joke.

I'm sitting here on my damn phone trying to get through the meaningful posts regarding the game, and half of it is Mets fan shit talk.

But it's the Yankee fans they claim have no class. Wake up children. This is the one thing junc is actually spot on about. You're more obsessed with the Yankees than you are with your own team.Are you seeing things?

What trolling do you see? Where is it? Is it when we told someone that wishing a player to get injured is not nice? Or was it the sarcastic comments about A-Rod bashing. Because guess what: you deserve to hear it about A-Rod. Deal with it. And, duh, enjoy it. He's performing. You should be happy.

EDIT: And don't even bring up Shade. Unless you want to look silly.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Alio looks like he's working himself up towards a critical mass, another loss to the Red Sox tomorrow and I believe we'll see a meltdown.

[FirstTimeCaller]

You know, this morning, after seeing multiple Mets fan posts about supposed Yankee arrogance, I went into the Mets/Braves series thread to see how many Yankee fans had gone in there to talk shit about the Mets game last night.

I found that only Roger had gone in there, and he had only tlaked generally. Amazingly, once again, Mets fans camped in here today to once again troll the shit out the thread.

Quite frankly, it's pissing me off to no end. I'm coming into game threads to discuss the game, and I have to navigate through 10 posts of dickhead Mets fan posts telling a guy he's classless for making an obvious joke.

I'm sitting here on my damn phone trying to get through the meaningful posts regarding the game, and half of it is Mets fan shit talk.

But it's the Yankee fans they claim have no class. Wake up children. This is the one thing junc is actually spot on about. You're more obsessed with the Yankees than you are with your own team.

Do you realize how much you cry about this pointless argument?

[JoeJet]

Yankee fans could care less about the Mets. That's the difference. We have no inferiority complex to try and overcome.

:rofl: right, thats why you are posting about Mets. :rofl:

[Don]

If the Yankees lose 100 games this year and come in dead last in the AL and the Mets go on to win the WS the Yankees will still have the better team and Met fans know it. That's just the way it is.

[Don]

:rofl: right, thats why you are posting about Mets. :rofl:
hmm.. I was replying to a post.

[GreyhoundJet]

People need to chill out and realize we are only 2-3 weeks into the season. Stop calling for people to be fired and stop criticizing players who have been doing pretty well. I'm a Yankee fan and some of the posts in here are outrageous. Look at who we are pitching in this series and we realistically should have won only 1 out of 3. Hopefully we can get that one tomorrow night. However, if we can't get that 1 win it isn't the end of the world. We will go back to playing our regular schedule and beat up on most of the teams that come in. Settle down guys, baseball is a long season.

[Learn To Swim]

If the Yankees lose 100 games this year and come in dead last in the AL and the Mets go on to win the WS the Yankees will still have the better team and Met fans know it. That's just the way it is.Well, it's good to know some of the Yankee fans can laugh at themselves. :up:



You were kidding, right?




Oh god.

[JoeJet]

If the Yankees lose 100 games this year and come in dead last in the AL and the Mets go on to win the WS the Yankees will still have the better team and Met fans know it. That's just the way it is.

:breakdance:

[Don]

Well, it's good to know some of the Yankee fans can laugh at themselves. :up:



You were kidding, right?




Oh god.
No, I'm not kidding. I'm totally serious. There is no better team in NY then the Yankees no matter what the outcome of the season is. If you think differently then you are kidding yourself.

[Learn To Swim]

No, I'm not kidding. I'm totally serious. There is no better team in NY then the Yankees no matter what the outcome of the season is. If you think differently then you are kidding yourself.You're a day late for 4/20, brother.

[Don]

You're a day late for 4/20, brother.
And what exactly is 4/20?

[Canadian]

You're a day late for 4/20, brother.


Pretty sure he's right
:)

[HCoftheNYJ]

No, I'm not kidding. I'm totally serious. There is no better team in NY then the Yankees no matter what the outcome of the season is. If you think differently then you are kidding yourself.

I believe the definition of the word "better" is having more wins and less losses than the other team.

[EcKo151]

Wonderful job hodling the leads Jeff...But whattya expect? Today and tomorrow will be minor league pitchers going against Boston in Fenway...So I can take some solace in the weekend's losses, but not for yesterday, none at all...That was about as bad a loss you could have.

Wang comes back this week...Moose can't come back any quicker.

[Dirtywater]

Yanks fans, I'd chill out. It's only April, you got a ton of injuries. Come August, you'll be right there as usual in the thick of things. Sure we just won a couple, but you'll win 'em back down the road.

[The Dark Knight]

Battle for the AL East this Wednesday:

Red Sox at Orioles. :)

[vinsjets]

Am i only the only one syked to see what Dice-K can do against a team of hitters?

[Pride]

Am i only the only one syked to see what Dice-K can do against a team of hitters?

Should be pretty interesting. Definately a step up from the Blue Jays, and Mariners

[Don]

Am i only the only one syked to see what Dice-K can do against a team of hitters?
Yeah, I am. We also have hitters patient enough to wait out walks and he throws a ton of balls. He could be gone by the 4th. Of course we could also be fooled out of our spikes too. Should be fun to watch.

[Don]

So it's a coaches fault that these guys got fat? :rofl:
I agree. Conditioning coaches have nothing to do with that. Jeter got fat all on his own. Arod came into camp 20-25 poinds lighter then he was last year and the results speak for themselves.

[nyjunc]

He wouldn't have given up 5 runs if Torre left him in. That's the bottom line.

Ar some point they were going to go to Rivera, I think the blame game is very silly for that game b/c they won the game beating our best pitcher.

I wouldn't go that far. He wants to win it all, and he has a far greater chance of doing that here than in Houston.
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And yes junc, we are blaming Torre. If you can sit and dwell on ARod's past as justification of your arguments, then we can surely be justified in pointing the finger at Joe's piss-poor decision making skills.

The fact is, Joe is HORRID in-game manager. I don't give a damn how much his players love him, the Jets players loved Herm too. Oh, but wait, you love Herm too, so I guess the point is lost on you there.

At some point, you have to look at the situation realistically. If Joe had not pinch-run for Giambi late, and instead let him just run, he would have been on-deck when Alex came to bat in the ninth. If you don't honestly believe that such a situation would have totally changed the pitch selection to Alex, you know nothing about baseball.

And how you can defend the decision to put Mo in last night, after sitting for a week, and after his last outing was a failure, against one of the best teams in the sport, is beyond me.

I would have pulled Andy too. We don't disagree there. However, why did Myers only pitch to one hitter? Hell, why did Proctor get pulled? This lefty against lefty, righty against righty bullshit is tired. If a guy can't pitch to lefties and righties, he has no place on a playoff team.

We know that all of our pitchers CAN pitch to either side of the plate. Yet Joe insists on his micromanagement of every single situation in the "here and now." Of course, as we see SO OFTEN with Joe, his handling of a single situation now, results in a mismanagement of a small situation later, which results in yet another L where a W was all but guaranteed.

Keep defending Joe. At some point, he's going to lead to a total collapse of this team. Plain and simple, I want him fired NOW. Not at the end of the season, not next week, this morning. Donnie can have the reigns right now, on an interim basis for the rest of the year, and if it doesn't look like it's working, Girardi leaves the booth in October, and officially becomes the Yankee manager.

yep it's all Joe's fault, he gave up 3 runs to oakland last Sunday, he blew a 3 run lead Fri Night and he gave up 7 runs yesterday. Joe has klled us for years, it has been Joe that has forced guys like ARod to play so horribly in october. I am gald we foundthe real problem, now we can get rid of him and get a real Manager like a Stump Merrill or Bucky Dent THEN we'll win Championships again:rolleyes:

So he pinch ran for Giambi trying to get another run, so what? We were up 6-2 at tht point and he wanted more. He knew he was going to mariano if it got tight in the 8th and 95% of the tim going to Mariano means a W. All the second guessing would be meaningles if Mariano did what he always does.

Now you are complaining about how he uses Mariano? Have you watched the Yankees play at all since mariano became the closer 10 years ago? The only game of the 3 game series where we had an even or slight edge in the SP was Fri Night, Joe knew it and wanted to get tht game which is why he made some of the late game decisions. it didn't work, we didn't lose b/c of Joe's decisions we lost b/c we didn't execute on the field.

In every game there are moves that an be criticized depending upon the result of the game but the bottom line is Boston beat our best, wheneve mariano blowsa svae or loses a game I can never complain b/c I know we had our best out there.

Originally Posted by NYJ EcKo151
My mistake then...And even furthermore a dumb decision. With a 4-run lead you pinch run? Giambi is a big part of this lineup and you put some rookie in there...

At that point you aren't expecting Giambi to get up again and you are tring to squeeze out another run.

We could come out of Boston 4 games back. Arod can't keep carrying the team much longer. There is nobody else except maybe Posada who is hot and he may miss the next few games anyway. If somebody doesn't get hot quick we could fall way back in a hurry with our banged up starting rotation being what it is. Hopefully Matsui and Wang will help.

and if we do come out 4 back, who cares? it's April. Boston jumps out to a lead very year. We will be healthy soon, we've done a good job to stay close and looking at these 3 games I thought we'd be lucky to get 1 so nothing has shocked me other than Mariano and nothing should be shokcing to any Yakee fans. We have played well the last 2 days but Boston has ben better.

We play these guys 15 more times after tonight, the seaon is very long.

[Sundayjack]

Yeah, I am. We also have hitters patient enough to wait out walks and he throws a ton of balls. He could be gone by the 4th. Of course we could also be fooled out of our spikes too. Should be fun to watch.

Umm. . . excuse me. . . yes, excuse me. . . not to butt-in here, but you'll want to redo the math on that one there. I'd hate for you to repeat this in public again, and have everyone look at you quizzically.

[Don]

and if we do come out 4 back, who cares? it's April. Boston jumps out to a lead very year. We will be healthy soon, we've done a good job to stay close and looking at these 3 games I thought we'd be lucky to get 1 so nothing has shocked me other than Mariano and nothing should be shokcing to any Yakee fans. We have played well the last 2 days but Boston has ben better.

We play these guys 15 more times after tonight, the seaon is very long.

Every loss counts. You can't just assume that every year we will come back.

[Don]

Umm. . . excuse me. . . yes, excuse me. . . not to butt-in here, but you'll want to redo the math on that one there. I'd hate for you to repeat this in public again, and have everyone look at you quizzically.
Please don't base your thoughts on the teams he has faced prior to tonight. He averages close to 40 balls out of every 100 pitches he throws. Against a patient team he will give up a lot of walks.

[Sundayjack]

Please don't base your thoughts on the teams he has faced prior to tonight. He averages close to 40 balls out of every 100 pitches he throws. Against a patient team he will give up a lot of walks.

Well, let's see, he didn't give up a lot of walks playing for Seibu; didn't give up a lot of walks pitching in the WBC; and hasn't given up a lot of walks in his first three games. His WHIP hovers around 1.10, and that's just below his career average. So, I'm wondering where you're getting this notion that he, "throws a lot of balls," and might "give up a lot of walks." He may, and he could, but he hasn't ever before, so this was just yanked right out of thin air.

[Don]

Well, let's see, he didn't give up a lot of walks playing for Seibu; didn't give up a lot of walks pitching in the WBC; and hasn't given up a lot of walks in his first three games. His WHIP hovers around 1.10, and that's just below his career average. So, I'm wondering where you're getting this notion that he, "throws a lot of balls," and might "give up a lot of walks." He may, and he could, but he hasn't ever before, so this was just yanked right out of thin air.
Well, since you want to talk about Seibu, in his first three years he gave up 87,95 and 117 walks in an average 26 starts. I consider that high but maybe you don't. He did do much better after that with his worst year being 63. Nothing is pulled out of the air here. We'll see tonight. This is the first good lineup he has faced.

[Sundayjack]

Well, since you want to talk about Seibu, in his first three years he gave up 87,95 and 117 walks in an average 26 starts. I consider that high but maybe you don't. He did do much better after that with his worst year being 63. Nothing is pulled out of the air here. We'll see tonight. This is the first good lineup he has faced.

This is a joke, right? A gag? 1999-2001??!!! You're going back EIGHT years to prove a point?!!

Pull the pitching stats for this brief season. Daisuke is throwing balls at no greater rate than any other pitcher thus far. Halladay, Meche, Oswalt, Sabathia - all throwing balls at around the same rate as Matsuzaka. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that your point was way off base so that we can both move on?

[AlioTheFool]

I have to say, after the last couple days, I think Matsuzaka is going to have a very good day against our hitters. While the top of the lineup is still showing the standard of patience we expect, except maybe Abreu, the entire bottom of the lineup is swinging at anything that isn't 3 feet outside.

If Matsui was back today, rather than tomorrow, I'd be a lot more comfortable going into this game. Instead, Melky will still be swinging at ball one.

Is Damon playing today? I don't think I can stomach seeing Thompson again.
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Junc, why are you still defending Joe against me? It's not like I had an ARod epiphany and started saying Joe was a good manager again. I haven't approved of Torre since we lost to Arizona. I'm not going to change my mind now.

It's not like his poor decision making is improving either. You're right in terms of the players not executing. That's factual, as evidenced by the number in the loss column. But can you truly expect to win a game when Thompson is hitting instead of Giambi, and Phelps is on deck when he strikes out looking to end the game?

You can throw all the blame on Mo for Friday night you want, but I see it like this: The guy had a rough outing 5 days earlier. In that outing, he was pitching on little work. So for two consecutive appearances, he was pitching on a lot of rest. Rivera has ALWAYS needed to pitch 4-5 times a week to have his stuff on. This is not new information. And considering Joe has been there for his entire career, it should not come as a surprise.

So we had Mo pitching on little rest, early in the year when he's most vulnerable, to one of the best teams in the league. And you don't put any blame on Torre? Really? How about yanking Proctor? Or only letting Myers pitch to Ortiz?

And even if you want to fully blame Mo for Friday's loss, how do you justify pitching David Ortiz inside EVERY time he comes to the plate? Yesterday made me absolutely sick. Papi comes up with a chance to put the Sox in the driver's seat, and the pitch calls are for inside fastballs.

Are you kidding me?!?!

This is DAVID ORTIZ. This is not an average MLB hitter. This is the best power hitter in the sport. It's not like he hasn't proven REPEATEDLY to the Yankees that he can handle inside pitches. He does it every damn time we face him.

And that's even accepting that Joe has never heard the old baseball adage that "if you're going to miss, don't miss inside."

That ball he ripped yesterday missed inside. That pitch was meant to come in knee-high, and tight inside. It met his bat right over the middle of the plate.

But I'm sure you'll blame poor execution for that. Come on junc, it's time to be realistic here. Yes, the players on the field need to execute, and the excuse mill is only valid to a point. However, when multiple poor decisions are made during the course of a game, and these mistake-laden games become more than a once-a-month issue, it's time to start looking at the source.

Joe is poor manager for this team. You can accept that or not, as you like, but when you are constantly fighting an uphill battle to prove his innocence, it has to become apparent that there is merit to the argument against him.

[nyjunc]

I haven't approved of Torre since we lost to Arizona. I'm not going to change my mind now.

So you approved of him prior to 2001? That's convenient, when we win 4 titles in 5 years you approve but once we stop winning title you don't and how exactly did Joe blow the 2001 WS?

I have to go, I'll pick this up tomorrow.

[Don]

This is a joke, right? A gag? 1999-2001??!!! You're going back EIGHT years to prove a point?!!

Pull the pitching stats for this brief season. Daisuke is throwing balls at no greater rate than any other pitcher thus far. Halladay, Meche, Oswalt, Sabathia - all throwing balls at around the same rate as Matsuzaka. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that your point was way off base so that we can both move on?
Ok..I'll admit it(for now). I'm still convinced, however, that he won't fair at all well against a good lineup. Like tonight. Again, we'll see.

[Don]

So you approved of him prior to 2001? That's convenient, when we win 4 titles in 5 years you approve but once we stop winning title you don't and how exactly did Joe blow the 2001 WS?

I have to go, I'll pick this up tomorrow.
I'll let him speak for himself, but what he is probably saying is he put up with him then. That's my feeling anyway. I have never liked his favorite player attitude. Playing people "he trusts" regardless of whether or not they were playing like total crap. If he had his way, Bernie Williams would be here playing center field and batting .128. I don't like he coddles Rivera even though Rivera wants to pitch more. I don't like he coddles Posada saying he can't catch a day game after a night game. Fine if you are playing KC but he'll even do it in the plaoffs. Posada isn't asking for that either. They both make 10 million a year to play. This isn't football, it's baseball. I could go on but why bother.

[AlioTheFool]

I'll let him speak for himself, but what he is probably saying is he put up with him then. That's my feeling anyway. I have never liked his favorite player attitude. Playing people "he trusts" regardless of whether or not they were playing like total crap. If he had his way, Bernie Williams would be here playing center field and batting .128. I don't like he coddles Rivera even though Rivera wants to pitch more. I don't like he coddles Posada saying he can't catch a day game after a night game. Fine if you are playing KC but he'll even do it in the plaoffs. Posada isn't asking for that either. They both make 10 million a year to play. This isn't football, it's baseball. I could go on but why bother.

I could speak for myself, but you did a very good job of making my point already. Thanks man. :up:

[The Dark Knight]

Bring on Dice-K-Mat-sue-Zok-A.

[Don]

Tough decision tonight. Kamikasi or the Sopranos. Which shall I watch? Only 7 episodes left to kill all of them off and still 15 more Boston-NY games after today. I guess how the game is going after the first hour will be the deciding factor. Sunday night games should be outlawed.

[Welcome to J-Ville]

Tough decision tonight. Kamikasi or the Sopranos. Which shall I watch? Only 7 episodes left to kill all of them off and still 15 more Boston-NY games after today. I guess how the game is going after the first hour will be the deciding factor. Sunday night games should be outlawed.

Boy do i love DVR

[JoeJet]

Boy do i love DVR

amen brother. DVR is the best invention since the microwave.

[JoeJet]

What gets glossed over about the Red Sox signing K-Dice, is that the METS outbidded the Yankees. I don't mean to intervene in a Yankee-BoSox thread (and I DON'T want to give Alio a coronary), but if AROD opts out of his Yankee contract, I believe the Mets will be players. Forbes says they are the 2nd most valuable team in baseball, after the Yankees, at 700,000,000 plus without considering the SNY network. And they are moving into the new Citi-Field.

[Don]

Boy do i love DVR
Downloading isn't bad either.

[Don]

What gets glossed over about the Red Sox signing K-Dice, is that the METS outbidded the Yankees. I don't mean to intervene in a Yankee-BoSox thread (and I DON'T want to give Alio a coronary), but if AROD opts out of his Yankee contract, I believe the Mets will be players. Forbes says they are the 2nd most valuable team in baseball, after the Yankees, at 700,000,000 plus without considering the SNY network. And they are moving into the new Citi-Field.
I don't disagree with that. They will be players and he does like NY. I just wonder how much any team is willing to pay. When is enough enough? Don't think that 700 million is much though. The Yankees are worth 1.2 Billion in that same survey. And the Yankees have YES and they have a new stadium too.

[JoeJet]

Don - I said the Mets will be players if Arod opts out, which, as you know, I expect. But frankly, I expect the Yankees to prevail in the end, BUT, with a new contract.

[Don]

Don - I said the Mets will be players if Arod opts out, which, as you know, I expect. But frankly, I expect the Yankees to prevail in the end, BUT, with a new contract.
With an extention maybe. Never with a new contract. At least not unless Steinbrenner gets involved himself. Which I hope he does. The problem with an extension is this. He still has opt out years after 08 and 09 with the current contract. I'm not sure how that would effect an extension in their minds. I guess it really wouldn't matter. If he leaves after any year they are off the hook for the rest.

My guess is if the Yankees don't do significantly better this year then the past two years then Torre and Cashman are both gone. Steinbrenner reasserts control and that would be a plus for Arod.

[JoeJet]

Don't underestimate Scot Boras. He gets PAID based on the value of what AROD does. An extension is not in his best interest. He is going to want a NEW contract worth over 250,000,000. Thats his thinking. And if he floats that number in front of AROD, and YOU are AROD, what are you going to do?

[The Dark Knight]

This early in the season, no doubt I will Watch baseball at 8, flip over to Sopranos at 9, check score afterward, then Entourage. Hopefully the Yankees can pull this game off though.

[Don]

Don't underestimate Scot Boras. He gets PAID based on the value of what AROD does. An extension is not in his best interest. He is going to want a NEW contract worth over 250,000,000. Thats his thinking. And if he floats that number in front of AROD, and YOU are AROD, what are you going to do?
No doubt he will. I'm just saying if he does and Arod opts out then Boras had better hope to hell that the Mets or Boston will give him that money because the Yankees will have nothing to do with him at that point. He may end up taking 100 million and be happy he gets it without the Yankees in the bidding. I still say he will end up with more money from the Yankees with an extension then he will ever get from anybody else. He just has to decide if he wants to stay with NY or move on despite the money.

[JoeJet]

Lets suspend this discussion till a later date. We could beat it to death for eight months.

[Don]

Lets suspend this discussion till a later date. We could beat it to death for eight months.
or 6 anyway. which makes me wonder if there is a window where he has to make that opt our decision or if it is anytime after the season ends and before the next one starts. I'm sure there must be, I just wonder how long it is.

[Don]

Typical nothing Japanese pitcher..punk too.

[Don]

Lol..and they paid 100 million for this bum?

[Canadian]

Giambino!

Come on Chase Wright please pitch at least an okay game

[EcKo151]

HUGE for Chase to get out of this inning...I was figuring another Karstens performance like yesterday...Spotted a lead, then give it right up...

HUGE STRIKEOUT!

[The Dark Knight]

Hell yeah! Way to get out of it Wright! :beer:

[EcKo151]

I'll post after the game...Going to friends house...And bringing my small TV for the game while watching Sopranos...

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Don]

Is this guy that bad a pitcher, or is this intentional? Arod and Jeter?..hmmmm

[Canadian]

Wow, a little nervous are we Dice-K

[Canadian]

Is this guy that bad a pitcher, or is this intentional? Arod and Jeter?..hmmmm

Im guessing he's just nervous facing those hitters

[Canadian]

Damit Abreu

[Canadian]

Damit A-Rod

(Filler)....

[Canadian]

Giambi strikes again!

[AlioTheFool]

You have to be kidding me.

[AlioTheFool]

Wow, a little nervous are we Dice-K

Obviously he isn't the only one.

Sure, NOW Guidry comes out to talk.

[AlioTheFool]

This is atrocious.

[Carl Spacklers Grass]

holy shit. I was watching the basketball game on TNT then glanced over at my fantasy baseball stattracker and the play by play says its 4 straight homers, i assumed my Stattracker was broken. this really just happened?

damn, the Boston Masscre seems like a long time ago. eh, yankees fans?

[jkgrandchamp]

I knew the Yanks had rotation probleme's but damn .

[Learn To Swim]

The look on Epstein's face going into commercial was hilarious.

Wright's looked pretty good too. I guess if you're going to have a meltdown, make it all solo homers.

[AlioTheFool]

Anyone else sick of watching the bottom half of our lineup swing at first pitches?

[MarkyMark]

yanks have a habit of giving up 4 in a row, especially when they are up 3

[AlioTheFool]

I just love to strand runners...

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Does anybody have any highlight reels of the boston massacre from last year?That's about the only thing that's gonna make me feel better at this point..

[Canadian]

Oh my god I go eat dinner after Manny's homer come back and oh my god, oh my f#$%*^% god

[BIG COUNTRY]

Captain clutch is still clutch

[Canadian]

Derek baby!

[AlioTheFool]

But then no one else can get on base. Damn it.

[Canadian]

Um why the hell are they warming up Pettitte, hmm Torre you have a four man (make that five men with Karstens just back but still) rotation with one good pitcher and you're gonna use him in relief????? And he just pitched two days ago??????????????????????????

What the heck!?!

[Learn To Swim]

Um why the hell are they warming up Pettitte, hmm Torre you have a four man (make that five men with Karstens just back but still) rotation with one good pitcher and you're gonna use him in relief????? And he just pitched two days ago??????????????????????????

What the heck!?!He's probably scheduled for a pen session today.

And maybe chill out on the punctuation......................

[Canadian]

He's probably scheduled for a pen session today.

And maybe chill out on the punctuation......................

Good point on the pen session, but I was just a tiny bit annoyed:smile:

[typeOnegative13NY]

and in comes pettite. I guess Joe will do anything to avoid a call from George tonight.

[Canadian]

He's probably scheduled for a pen session today.

And maybe chill out on the punctuation......................


Well I guess it wasn't a bullpen session.

Seriously Joe what are you thinking:shit:

[AlioTheFool]

How about we just pitch every guy, every game. That should make Joe happy.

[vinsjets]

double post..disregard

[vinsjets]

Well I guess it wasn't a bullpen session.

Seriously Joe what are you thinking:shit:

Well it was a scheduled bullpen session, but Joe changed it up.. It's not necessarily a bad thing if its only an inning of work.

[typeOnegative13NY]

top of the order. gotta put up some runs here

[Canadian]

Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap

[AlioTheFool]

I really hope George and Cashman call Joe tonight and tell him not to bother leaving the stadium with the team.

[EcKo151]

This team is so pathetic. What a disgrace this weekend...They had better rebound when Wang returns...

[The Dark Knight]

Mike Lowell? Good Lord.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

I'm as pissed as everybody else. But just acouple things to keep in mind...

1. This happens every single year. The sox win the first series, Sox fans get cocky, and Yanks fans start screaming for changes. But by mid year, things even themselves off, and before ya know it, we're in 1st place w/ a 3 game cushion.

2. We can hit their pitching. Even w/o Jorge and Matsui, their pitching has not shut us down in the least. Once we get our real pitching staff back, and hopefully give our BP alittle more rest, We'll clearly be a better overall baseball team than the sox.

It's painful and maddening. But we'll be ok. Let the sox have their moment, how quickly they forget the Boston Massacre from last year, and the many letdowns of years past courtesy of the Yanks.

[AlioTheFool]

This team is so pathetic. What a disgrace this weekend...They had better rebound when Wang returns...

Honestly, we got totally dominated by a team far better prepared to play at this point in the season. Our pitching is a big problem, and our coach is total asswipe.

However, we should not discount that Boston is a legit playoff team, and they are just playing far better than we are at this point.

[EcKo151]

I'll cut some slack due to Karstens and Wright being STARTERS for the weekend...What I am happy about is them smashing Schilling, hitting Beckett and Dice-K as well...

But the defense, starting pitchers injured and bullpen have all been VERY questionable...Not to mention Torre.

Boston is good, their pitchers don't scare me at all...It's the Yankees pitching that scares me.

[AlioTheFool]

I'm as pissed as everybody else. But just acouple things to keep in mind...

1. This happens every single year. The sox win the first series, Sox fans get cocky, and Yanks fans start screaming for changes. But by mid year, things even themselves off, and before ya know it, we're in 1st place w/ a 3 game cushion.

2. We can hit their pitching. Even w/o Jorge and Matsui, their pitching has not shut us down in the least. Once we get our real pitching staff back, and hopefully give our BP alittle more rest, We'll clearly be a better overall baseball team than the sox.

It's painful and maddening. But we'll be ok. Let the sox have their moment, how quickly they forget the Boston Massacre from last year, and the many letdowns of years past courtesy of the Yanks.

Very good points Kurt.

The only thing I would say though, is that calling for Joe's head is something I've been doing for years, and will continue to do until he's gone. I don't, and haven't liked him up to this point. I doubt he could do anything at this point to change my mind.

Has anyone been watching him this series? He looks totally disinterested. Even if you have the attitude that it's early, and counting all the injuries, you still don't take divisional games, against your biggest rival, lightly. Joe has. It's disgusting.
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What's the deal with every single bullpen guy pitching every single game? Yet, Mo can't buy regular appearances, no matter how much he says he needs work.

[Learn To Swim]

Mike Lowell? Good Lord.Hey, not trying to salt the wounds, but don't diss Mike Lowell. Man is a damn solid 3rd baseman.

[AlioTheFool]

70% strikes for Matsuzaka. Wow he can pitch.

[AlioTheFool]

Oh I so want to beat on Okajima now. Come on Yanks. Please score some damn runs.

[typeOnegative13NY]

even at full strength,i don't have all that much confidence in out pitching this year. Wang and pettite are about all i trust.

[Canadian]

Come on Yanks here we go....

[AlioTheFool]

Someone please get rid of Joe now. Jorge comes in to walk, then gets pulled with 2 innings left, and down 2? Obviously the Giambi decision the other night taught him nothing.

[Canadian]

Hmm it seems that pinch runner might just have saved a run.

But oh god Phelps please do something

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Hmm it seems that pinch runner might just have saved a run.

But oh god Phelps please do something

He's hit the ball hard acouple times tonight. He is due a hit anytime now.

[AlioTheFool]

We can't even get lucky...

[Canadian]

Fu Pedroia

[The Dark Knight]

Was that really an amazing play? I think you are supposed to make those plays.

Top of the order in the 9th, hopefully the Yankees can keep it at 7-6 until then.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

This just isn't our weekend boys. We were due to lose a few to them after the Boston Massacre last year and our current injuries. I'm not making any excuses, cause this really stinks..but w/ plays like that...it all just seems too apparent.

[Cellar-door]

Watch the games this weekend and you will see for yourself.

with 1 inning left (barring extras) Ithinkmy point holds, for the series...
Red Sox Bullpen - 1.43 ERA, 3 saves
Yankees Pen - 7.00 ERA 1BS, 1 L

Edited to reflect final stats

[GreyhoundJet]

People are reacting to this series like its the playoffs. Settle down, its one series with the Red Sox. We have plenty of time to recover. (if we lose this one)