Adam Carriker- your man!

[Mexican Buc]

Keep an eye on this guy. Big DE who would fit the new scheme perfectly. 6'6 almost 300 lbs! A nice late second to third round guy.

You heard it here first.

[dwalsh]

Actually, he was first mentioned on this board a month ago...

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[Rambo13]

Keep an eye on this guy. Big DE who would fit the new scheme perfectly. 6'6 almost 300 lbs! A nice late second to third round guy.

You heard it here first.

If we got him in the third I would be ecstatic and would use our second on him in a second.

[Martin is the man]

he will shoot up draft board around the combine, if we want him it's late first early second

[ToddtoBarkum]

^ Agree Completely. We wil be lucky if he lasts until our 1st 2nd round pick (Wash pick)

I would love to have him on the team. He and Ellis would be great bookends in a 3-4 defense. Plus his size the word is that he has shown versatility on all D line positions this year.

[Rambo13]

If Carriker is gone we could look at his partner in crime Jay Moore (6'4" 280). Big enough to be a 3-4 DE and about as productive as Carriker (34.5 tackles - 6 sacks vs. 29.5 tackles - 5 sacks)

[Jonathan_Vilma]

If Carriker is gone we could look at his partner in crime Jay Moore (6'4" 280). Big enough to be a 3-4 DE and about as productive as Carriker (34.5 tackles - 6 sacks vs. 29.5 tackles - 5 sacks)
Or Frank Okam if he survives. He's big enough to play nose tackle in situations, and defensive end. Ray McDonald is another play who I've seen all season and he can occupy blockers with the best of them. A very Mangini type of player, considering he's hard working and very emotional.

[Rambo13]

Or Frank Okam if he survives. He's big enough to play nose tackle in situations, and defensive end. Ray McDonald is another play who I've seen all season and he can occupy blockers with the best of them. A very Mangini type of player, considering he's hard working and very emotional.

I agree on Okam but he is a junior who may stick around at Texas

[Mavericknyc1980]

Carriker is a guy I have my eye on. I can see late second early third. I would defintely take him if he was there with our second, second rounder.

[mangini4life]

I think some of you are underrating Carriker. He is definitely on people's radars for the first round.

Not that he's 'the end all be all,' but Mel Kiper has Carriker as 8th on his Big Board. I don't think he'll go that high, but he's definitely in the mix in the first round for all the 3-4 teams looking for a DE.

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I would have no problem taking him with a pick in the ~25 area.

[Tennessee Jet]

mangini4life's got it. He will be taken early in the 2nd at the very latest. 3rd round is a pipe dream.

[jhsensation10]

dream draft would be this as our first 3 picks:

~24 RB marshawn lynch 5'11 220 lbs
~38 OLB lamar woodley 6'2 265 lbs
~56 DE adam carriker 6'6 298 lbs

however, who knows if any of them will fall to each spot

[Tennessee Jet]

That would be great but as you indicate, its a long shot for this to take place (but you never know in the draft). How about:

~24 DE adam carriker
~38 OLB anthony spencer 6-3 260
~56 ILB David Harris 6-2 251 (Michigan, solid ILB with great intangibles)

The only issue with the above is that I would like to use one of these draft picks to land an OL or RB. But these are 3 defensive players that are intriguing.

[Tennessee Jet]

What is the read on Amboi Okoye? might he last to our first 2nd or will he be a top 20 pick?

[Rambo13]

There is a chance Okoye may fall to our second round pick but he is most likely a middle of the first round type of player due to his potential and once he starts getting some measurables down he should fly up because besides Branch there is not a very good DT prospect besides him.

Also I think we have a better chance of getting Carriker at ~38 and Spencer at ~24. The read I am getting is Spencer is slightly higher rated than Woodley at this point while Carriker is still slightly undervalued.

[AMJets]

Carriker's stock will only rise as the draft approaches. I don't even know if he will be there with our first 2nd round pick. Imo, DE is our biggest need, and if his stock continues to rise, I wouldn't mind taking him with our 1st round pick. That's of course considering a top talent doesn't drop into our lap.

[mangini4life]

Currently my 'realistic' dream first day is the following:

1 - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
2a - Aaron Sears, OG/OT, Tennessee
2b - Victor Abiamiri, OLB, Notre Dame
3 - Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State

If we want Carriker, and I really do, I'm pretty sure we will have to take him with our 1st round pick. I'm not sure if there is a better 3-4 DE available other than Branch and arguably Okam, but that is only if they declare.

Sears and Abiamiri could be swapped in the 2nd round, but both are tough, smart, athletic, football players with upside. I suppose Spencer or Woodley could be in place of Abiamiri, and Levi Brown or Blalock instead of Sears, but I'm imagining that all of those guys will be gone.

Hunt will be a nice addition to Houston and Washington, as Barlow and Blaylock will be cut. I think we need another back to go along with Houston and Washington, because if either of them goes down, as Houston seems to do somewhat often, I don't like our chances.

[Mexican Buc]

All that's for sure is that this draft is a GREAT draft to grab yourself a DE, no matter what scheme you run.

I actually think his stock will drop after the combine. And saying early 3rd is not a pipe dream at all. Last year they had the Bucs jumping all over Eric Winston OT Miami in the 1st, and he made it all the way to the early 3rd where teh Texans nabbed him.


What's all this talk of Woodley? Isn't he comming out as a DE?

[gustoonarmy]

I agree on Okam but he is a junior who may stick around at Texas

Okam is the guy I want , with some enticement he may declare??

[Tennessee Jet]

What's all this talk of Woodley? Isn't he comming out as a DE?

Woodley has been projected to be a great fit for the OLB in a 3-4. Thats why people on this board are falling all over themselves to support drafting him. I personally think that Anthony Spencer might be more effective in that role or that Victor Abimyri (forgot how to spell his name) might be better value later in the draft.

How would people feel about one of these scenarios?
1) Trading up with our two second rounders to ensure that we nabbed both Carriker and Woodley / Spencer?

2) ~24 Justin Blalock (seems he would be available at this point in many mocks)
~36 Adam Carriker
~54 Victor Abimyri

Also, how do you guys feel about Brandon Mebane (DT California; 6-3 290) as a DE in the 3-4? How well would he project there? Just a thought.

[Vilmathegreat51]

I like Carriker I think he would be a great fit for our 3-4.I would take him with our first round pick if Lynch and Bush aren't there.

[wa2k99]

He's now ranked in the top 20 on the sportsline draft board. If we want him we may have to use our first pick.

[legler82]

Actually, he was first mentioned on this board a month ago...

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Make that 2 months ago by yours truly:

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10-24-2006, 10:32 AM #9
legler82
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"Well put! That being said Alan Branch would still be a very good draft pick for us because in our 3-4 defense he would play RDE. IMO, I consider that position our biggest need on defense; the position is currently being held by Kimo Von "Old " Hoffen, who's the absolute worst. I figure Robertson will be gone next year and like you mentioned the NT position handled by the platoon of Moore, Tui and Pouha in no specific order. Other possibilites for RDE would be Frank Okam, Red Bryant and my personal favorite Adam Carriker."

[NEJets]

The big board ranked him without underclass players. I can see he will be there with our first round.

[Tennessee Jet]

If he's not I think that Brandon Mebane offers similar attributes and perhaps better value. Here are a couple of links.

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[Martin is the man]

If he's not I think that Brandon Mebane offers similar attributes and perhaps better value. Here are a couple of links.

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will he be able to make the transition from DT to DE?

[Tennessee Jet]

I think so, particularly in the 3-4. He is the same size as Carriker, slightly slower in the 40. However, he is known for his quickness as a DT and has top intangibles. Seems like a good project if Carriker is gone.

[Mexican Buc]

I think so, particularly in the 3-4. He is the same size as Carriker, slightly slower in the 40. However, he is known for his quickness as a DT and has top intangibles. Seems like a good project if Carriker is gone.
I think so too. The best 3-4 DE are usually athletic DTs. You really wouldn't want a pure pass rushing DE on the 3-4.

3-4 tends to work a little opposite of teh 4-3. The DL usually the ones help stop, or contain, the run. LBs in the 3-4 are usually the ones racking up the sacks and rushing the passer. A really gifted DE in the 3-4 could do some what of both. Look at Richard Seymour, 6-6 310lbs. THATs how you would like your DEs built. Not like Rice or Strahan or Brown who are 6'3-'5 260ish.

[JetInAbsentia]

Interesting that several people's "ideal drafts" include both a DE and an OLB, whoever the player is. Where does that leave Bryan Thomas and his new contract extension, in your minds?

[Tennessee Jet]

Interesting that several people's "ideal drafts" include both a DE and an OLB, whoever the player is. Where does that leave Bryan Thomas and his new contract extension, in your minds?

I think the issue is that the Jets have had really no pass rush without blitzing. Apparently Bryan Thomas, although he has played very well this season, lacks the ability to get to the QB consistently (this also might be from him not being sent often, not really sure, haven't been watching for this specifically). If we are able to acquire a guy that can get to the QB without having to send seven / eight guys, this will make the defense better.

I think the best way to accomplish this is to draft both a DE and an OLB pass rusher. The DE will help to contain the run and keep lineman off of the LBs. The OLB will supply the pass rush and make plays. Also, this will help BT make plays on the opposite side.

Now for the unpopular question / issue that I have been pondering for the past couple sof weeks. Please don't take this as an attack, its really just to provoke some debate. Is Jon Vilma really needed in the MLB spot. Assuming we are able to get two playmakers at OLB we really need some run stoppers in the middle. Maybe Vima can be moved to one of the OLB spots and use his speed. Maybe we can trade him for a first round pick. Just wondering what people's thoughts are....

[JetInAbsentia]

I think the issue is that the Jets have had really no pass rush without blitzing. Apparently Bryan Thomas, although he has played very well this season, lacks the ability to get to the QB consistently (this also might be from him not being sent often, not really sure, haven't been watching for this specifically). If we are able to acquire a guy that can get to the QB without having to send seven / eight guys, this will make the defense better.

I think the best way to accomplish this is to draft both a DE and an OLB pass rusher. The DE will help to contain the run and keep lineman off of the LBs. The OLB will supply the pass rush and make plays. Also, this will help BT make plays on the opposite side.

Right, but the question is of money, not playing time or utility. If you're going to pay R1 money to, say, Carriker and R2 money to, say, Spencer, why on earth did you just agree to pay so many millions to Bryan Thomas over five years? That's an expensive backup and/or mentor.

Seems to me that would be a collosally stupid move on Tangini's part.

[Mavericknyc1980]

Bryan Thomas is turning into a beast.

[fenwyr]

Robertson is our bookend to Ellis at DE if he is still here next year. We need to focus on a mammoth DT.

[Tennessee Jet]

[QUOTE=JetInAbsentia;407400]Right, but the question is of money, not playing time or utility. If you're going to pay R1 money to, say, Carriker and R2 money to, say, Spencer, why on earth did you just agree to pay so many millions to Bryan Thomas over five years? That's an expensive backup and/or mentor.

Bryan Thomas is guaranteed $9million and it can be as much as $25million. I am not sure how this would work against the cap exactly. But even if it all does count against the cap that will be an average of $5million a year against an ever increasing cap that is currently at $109million or approximately 4% of this years cap space. Last year, Johnathan Joseph was the 24th pick (a ballpark about where the Jets will pick this year) and received $8.2million over 5 years. So, we are paying BT first round dollars.

I see your point. In previous posts I have argued that we draft Justin Blalock (OG Texas) in the 1st round. Of course that means we have 3 first round OLs, which presents problems similar to the one you have raised. Anyhow, after Blalock I have suggested looking into better value picks at both DE and OLB. Players that have interested me have included Brandon Mebane at DE and Daniel Bazuin at OLB. So, in a sense I agree with you and have tried to suggest alternatives that wouldn't be first round picks.

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Dec. 2, 2006 - 11:30 a.m. ET

Jets outside linebacker Bryan Thomas' five-year contract extension can be worth up to $25 million and includes $9 million in guarantees.

Thomas may have gotten more money over the life of the contract had he tested the free agent waters this offseason, but the guaranteed dollars likely reeled him in. A former first-round pick, Thomas had been considered somewhat of a disappointment prior to this season.

Source: Newark Star-Ledger

[Rambo13]

Interesting that several people's "ideal drafts" include both a DE and an OLB, whoever the player is. Where does that leave Bryan Thomas and his new contract extension, in your minds?

Keep in mind there are two sides to the defense. A dominant 3-4 like the Chargers needs two OLBs who can get to the passer. That way the offense can move the tight end over to help.

[ThunderbirdJet]

With DRob's improved play, Carriker looks like a perfect fit here.... Kimo and Hamilton are ooooold. There really isn't a first round 3-4 NT in this draft as far as I can tell, and lets not forget how much better Pouha was looking at NT before he went out for the year.

I think the biggest needs on D are at DE and CB, and the best CB's will be very picked over by the time the Jets pick. I think that leaves us with a O lineman at 2.5 with the Skins pick.... and Carriker in the first round.

People talking about a OLB/DE hybrid.... Hobson/Barton have played pretty well as situational pass rushers. Thomas is here to stay, and seems to have found his niche. We have reasonable depth at LB..... I think Carriker will go in the first round, maybe even before we pick. A 6-6 300 pound DE that can pass rush..... yeah, sign me up for that.

[Rambo13]

There really isn't a first round 3-4 NT in this draft as far as I can tell

Amobi Okoye is being pegged as a potential perfect fit at NT due to his squat stature, strength and youth. (Just ask Jabba). He is quickly shooting up the draft boards and will probably be gone by our pick.

I agree with you though that DE is perhaps a bigger need for us at this point and wouldn't mind taking Carriker early but I think we could find some good value at the position in the 2nd or 3rd. I guess we will have to see who falls to us though.

[The U]

Carriker would be agreat pick for this defense.

[Mexican Buc]

Amobi Okoye is being pegged as a potential perfect fit at NT due to his squat stature, strength and youth. (Just ask Jabba). He is quickly shooting up the draft boards and will probably be gone by our pick.

I agree with you though that DE is perhaps a bigger need for us at this point and wouldn't mind taking Carriker early but I think we could find some good value at the position in the 2nd or 3rd. I guess we will have to see who falls to us though.
I really doubt it. The kid is amazing but he is bound to show some immaturity or some other flaw at that age. Not to mention that he's not the best DT comming out either.

[Tennessee Jet]

I really doubt it. The kid is amazing but he is bound to show some immaturity or some other flaw at that age. Not to mention that he's not the best DT comming out either.

Maybe he is not a "beast" but from everything that I've read and seen he seems to be able to abosorb double teams which makes him perfect for the 3-4 DT. But a Pouha, Tui, Moore rotation at DT might allow D-Rob to move to DE. And D-Rob seems to be a great fit there. So maybe OLB is the way to go in the 1st.

[Bomber]

Now for the unpopular question / issue that I have been pondering for the past couple sof weeks. Please don't take this as an attack, its really just to provoke some debate. Is Jon Vilma really needed in the MLB spot. Assuming we are able to get two playmakers at OLB we really need some run stoppers in the middle. Maybe Vima can be moved to one of the OLB spots and use his speed. Maybe we can trade him for a first round pick. Just wondering what people's thoughts are....

Noone seems to have taken you up on the Vilma question: have to admit I was thinking the same at various points through the season. I think it's obvious that in the swap to the 3-4 some players have thrived, and others haven't, compared to where they were under Herm Edwards. Vilma is one of those players: I'm not saying he's playing badly, but that he played a lot better in the previous defensive set up.

If Vilma were to be traded, the Jets would have to demand a high 1st rounder for him, and probably another lower pick as well: he was sensational for us in the 4-3 and is physically at the peak of his career with many years to offer.

That said, I can't see Vilma being traded: he didn't have a great season this year by his standards, but an average season for him would be a standout result for a lot of other players who play at his position. You don't throw away proven players of his ilk for draft prospects that may or may not be up to it at the top level. (except if you have good reasons as in the J-Abe situation from last season etc)

I would prefer trying him out at OLB to see how he goes: he has lost the outstanding feel he had for where the ball is going to be in the current set-up, and I think his talents are wasted on the inside. If he could adapt to the outside it would also fill a gap we would otherwise have to plug via the draft or through FA.

[ThunderbirdJet]

Vilma will not go anywhere. Sure, his tackle numbers and big play production is down, but that is how this sytem works. In addition, he is playing the strong side ILB..... that is not the stat producing position in this defensive scheme either. He is the QB on the defense, and his "team value" is not diminished at all in this regard.

I also think he is still making the adjustment to this scheme, and will continue to improve. I don't think he's trade bait at all, and nor should he be. He's still the heart of the defense, which has also steadilly improved.... I mean heck, the Jets are averaging less than 13 points against per game over the last 8, including the 31 they gave up to the Bills.

With Pouha returning, an improving DRob, Mosely for depth, what the D could really use is a 3-4 DE that has some pass rush ability, like Carriker.

What has to be rememebered in this defensive scheme is that there won't be a big sack stat player. Pressure must almost always come from an outside player... an OLB or even from Rhodes. that is how it works. The end of year team sack stats will be fine, but very spread out. Even DRob has a few.

To Vilma's credot, he has been the good soldier, knowing that a scheme like this knocks him out of pro bowl contention, but he seems to have bought into the system for the most part. He deserves some credit for that.... in fact a lot of credit.

[Tennessee Jet]

I am sure that Vilma will not be traded. He provides the Jets with (a) leadership on the defensive side of the ball, (b) potential to make big plays, and (c) a lockeroom presence that is unmathced (i.e., hardwork, no complaints). All attributes that Mangini and Tannenbaum covet. Plus this is his first year in the system that is poorly staffed. But I was only making the point that the Jets might hypothetically benefit from exploring other options. Even if they put a top notch DT in front of him, will his skill set translate to the MLB position? Why is the MLB position not a stat making position? How can the team be improved to allow him to stay at MLB and return to his playmaking days of old?

[hazmat]

So what does everyone think of Carriker? Will he be there at 26? Everything i've read about him says he would probably be the pick if he was available.

[JetFanInPA]

Most mocks have him going earlier. Hopefully he runs a little slow at the combine. That'll ensure him being there at 25.

[Murrell2878]

Here's a little piece about him in a Senior Bowl Report

Adam Carriker/DL/Nebraska: If Johnson is the best defensive lineman on the South then Carriker is the best one on the field to date. Carriker has also been impossible to stop, displaying a great combination of power, speed and smarts.

[PinPointPenning10]

I think Carriker could be this year's Jay Cutler. Last year around this time everyone wanted Cutler with our 2nd and most people had him going around late 1st-2nd round...he was "the name" everyone was talking about, like Carriker this year, and more and more people started talking about him until all of a sudden he made a name for himself at the Combine and went top 15. I could see Carriker doing the same this year.

[ThunderbirdJet]

I have been discussing Carriker with a draft guru I highly respect today. He has tape of Carriker in a couple of big games this year where he got pretty much owned. The Husker homers swear he's the real deal. So far in the Senior Bowl practices, he's looked great. So, from my viewpoint, mixed reviews.

I'm not jumping of the bandwagon just yet, but i am more cautious about him now. While the pro scouts put more into the practice week of the senior bowl, I want to see how Carriker fares against the best in the actual game.

[Bomber]

So what does everyone think of Carriker? Will he be there at 26? Everything i've read about him says he would probably be the pick if he was available.

Judging on the reports coming out of Seniors week, we'll be very lucky if he's there at 25 for our first pick.

[Bomber]

Draft Daddy reports the Steelers are particulary interested in AC, and that would take him with their first pick, 15th overall. I will be very surprised if he lasts until 25 on his performance this week.

[gustoonarmy]

Anyone know much about this guy......

"What A Rush
Mississippi State coach Sly Croom stopped by the South practice Tuesday afternoon "to see old friends," he said. Croom's daughter lives in Mobile, so he's always looking for an excuse to come. He stopped his chatting to watch his 6-foot-3, 305-pound defensive end, Antonio Johnson, line up against Auburn guard Tim Duckworth in a drill.

Johnson jumped into the neutral zone.


"Don't jump offside," Croom said, "like I told you a thousand times!"


Johnson got back into position. At the snap, he powered through the 6-3, 304-pound Duckworth like he wasn't there. Croom beamed.


"That boy can rush the passer now," he said. "

[hazmat]

How much would it suck if the Pats took Carriker one pick ahead of us....

[supersonic]

I am more concerned about NT than DE. Robertson and Pouha were both drafted to be 4-3 DTs and not NTs. Pouha came into camp 20 pds lighter than when he was a rookie. He was 325 coming into the league, so a 305lb NT is not really what we should be looking for. There are really only 2 or 3 DTs in the draft that true 3-4 size. Honestly, I think we are best served filling this spot in FA with a guy like Terdell Sands from the Raiders. At around 6'6" and 350 we are now talking turkey.

Now, if we can get that 350 pd artery clogger in the middle, the quesiton becomes what do we do with Robertson. I know people say to plug him in at DT. Logically that makes good sense, weather or not he succeeds is another story. So then what, do we go after a Carriker or then DE is less of a need and we wait and maybe address OLB or RB. Either way I'd like to at least one or two OGs picked in rounds 2-5.

[Nesquik]

How much would it suck if the Pats took Carriker one pick ahead of us....

why would they they Semour,Wilfork and Warren all of whom are better than Carriker

[JohnnyHector]

Now for the unpopular question / issue that I have been pondering for the past couple sof weeks. Please don't take this as an attack, its really just to provoke some debate. Is Jon Vilma really needed in the MLB spot. Assuming we are able to get two playmakers at OLB we really need some run stoppers in the middle. Maybe Vima can be moved to one of the OLB spots and use his speed. Maybe we can trade him for a first round pick. Just wondering what people's thoughts are....

I've been thinking the same thing lately. I love Vilma but if we could get a high 1st round pick + another pick, we could really help the defense.

[hazmat]

why would they they Semour,Wilfork and Warren all of whom are better than Carriker


Why wouldn't they is my question, you can never have enough depth on the defensive line. Just because you have 3 good starters doesn't mean you wouldn't take another stud lineman. Seymour is always banged up, if you had a 4th top notch player to add to that rotation it would only make them better.

[Murrell2878]

Here's a little report on Carriker

Nebraska DL Adam Carriker
Height: 6-6
Weight: 292
Pre-Senior Bowl Grade: late first to early second round
Projected Forty Time: mid 4.8s
2006 Stats: 52 tackles, 16 TFL, 7 SCK, INT, BLK KICK

An exceptionally slow start to his senior campaign raised concern that Carriker's breakout junior year may have been an anomaly. He finished strong, but Carriker's production still experienced a considerable drop off and his speed will never be elite. What position would he play? Is he boom or bust? Carriker had the makings of a risky selection, meaning his first-round status was clearly in doubt before this past week.

What he did: Carriker lined up at both the three (pass-rushing defensive tackle in a 4-3) and five techniques (containing defensive end in a 3-4) and was called the Senior Bowl's most dominant defensive lineman Monday through Thursday. He is also an especially intense personality, and displayed that to NFL team representatives.

What's changed: Barring something unexpected taking place between now and April 28, Carriker looks like a mid first-round, possibly top-ten pick. He's a power player that fits at two positions, giving him extraordinary value. It will be a shock if Carriker falls past the Steelers at No. 15. They're staying with a 3-4 for the time being but most likely will switch to a 4-3 in time and Carriker can be a starter in both schemes.

[Martin&theJETS]

the steelers may not take him if they switch to tampa 2.

[hazmat]

If they do switch it won't be for a while and he could also play DT in a 4-3.