Pedro done for the year (MERGED)

[MParty7441]

Torn Calf....Gary Cohen just said it.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Looks like he's done for the year... what a shame.

[Pennythetowelboy]

so he's done.....?

[MParty7441]

so he's done.....?

I would assume

[Pennythetowelboy]

well at least its better then him taking the mound for game 3 and getting his ass kicked. now we can get a start out of someone whos healthy.

[FITM]

Out 4-6 weeks.

[MParty7441]

Out 4-6 Weeks.....his OTHER calf is the one that is torn. Done for the year.

[The Future]

And his season is DONE.

El Duque and Glavine lead the way for the Mets... :lol:

[vinsjets]

well we just gotta deal with out him

[PinPointPenning10]

And on top of this there's an increasing chance by the day that the Mets could face Oswalt-Clemens-Pettite in a 5 game series.

[dBLitzer28]

I was watching the Mets game on SNY n they said he has a Calf Tear on his Other Leg ... not the one the kept him out for a couple of games. THen they said he is done for the YEAR

[F Miami]

just heard that on ESPN. damn that sucks.

[F Miami]

done for the postseason. just saw it on ESPN. Shit.

[kinghenry89]

It might be a blessing in disguise for the Mets. It'll probably at least save them one bad loss in the first round.

[ShadeTree#55]

Win it for Pedro.

[statjeff22]

Well, the only surprise is that it was the other calf. This certainly provides ammunition for the people who said the Mets shouldn't have signed him for 4 years (I'm not one of them - it only cost the Mets money, and gave them the legitimacy to get people like Beltran and then Delgado).

Presumably it will be Trachsel and Maine as the numbers 3 and 4 pitchers. The Mets getting to the World Series has gone from a supposed lock to a question to a real challenge.

[FITM]

It might be a blessing in disguise for the Mets. It'll probably at least save them one bad loss in the first round.

My thoughts exactly. But Trachsel could be healthy and still give up as many runs as an injured Pedro.

[statjeff22]

Link no longer needed.

[kinghenry89]

This certainly provides ammunition for the people who said the Mets shouldn't have signed him for 4 years (I'm not one of them - it only cost the Mets money, and gave them the legitimacy to get people like Beltran and then Delgado)

I don't think that it was a mistake for the Mets to sign Pedro, they obviously knew what they were getting into by giving him a longterm deal (he hadn't been 100% healthy for years in Boston.) The problem was that they didn't add more reliable starters around him in the rotation, because they should've seen something like this coming.

El Duque is one of the all-time great postseason pitchers so I wouldn't worry about him (you can't expect a circa 1999 performance from him, but he won't implode.) Trachsel is a question mark and Maine is a question mark, but both are capable of a big start. Glavine is a pretty safe bet for quality starts.

This doesn't signal the end of the Mets season by a longshot, but their rotation is certainly still cause for concern.

[MSUJet85]

Well for the most part we were the best in the NL without him, and we will just have to show people what our record shows all year

[MSUJet85]

The ironic thing is that the Benson trade has given us our #1 and our #4 on our postseason rotation, and people hated the trade when it happened

[statjeff22]

I don't think that it was a mistake for the Mets to sign Pedro, they obviously knew what they were getting into by giving him a longterm deal (he hadn't been 100% healthy for years in Boston.) The problem was that they didn't add more reliable starters around him in the rotation, because they should've seen something like this coming.

El Duque is one of the all-time great postseason pitchers so I wouldn't worry about him (you can't expect a circa 1999 performance from him, but he won't implode.) Trachsel is a question mark and Maine is a question mark, but both are capable of a big start. Glavine is a pretty safe bet for quality starts.

This doesn't signal the end of the Mets season by a longshot, but their rotation is certainly still cause for concern.

All four of these starters are capable of good starts, and all are capable of big stinkeroos. And, of course, it takes at least two times through the rotation to get to the World Series, not just one, increasing the odds of one of those stinkers.

[typeOnegative13NY]

damn,sorry Met fans. i like to bust your balls on here,but i do root for the Mets to do well. Think of it this way. You are most likely gonna face the Yanks in the WS and pedro is our bitch.

[FirstTimeCaller]

The ironic thing is that the Benson trade has given us our #1 and our #4 on our postseason rotation, and people hated the trade when it happened


Good point. :up:

[MParty7441]

The ironic thing is that the Benson trade has given us our #1 and our #4 on our postseason rotation, and people hated the trade when it happened

When this trade happened, I knew Maine would be good. Everyone was killing it, but I really thought Maine would become a stud. And he is on his way.

[Cakes]

I figured Martinez would only be good for two years with the Mets, but he didn't even last that long. Still an excellent acquisition because he was the major factor in making the Mets a legitimate force in baseball again.

[Yisman]

guy started breaking down years ago. Now he musters a few good starts early in the season, and then he's done. Assorted injuries given as excuses.

And yep, they're paying this guy $53 million.

[MSUJet85]

guy started breaking down years ago. Now he musters a few good starts early in the season, and then he's done. Assorted injuries given as excuses.

And yep, they're paying this guy $53 million.
It also started the chain reaction which got us all our big free agent acquisitions. And you have the small unit to boost your rotation :up:

[Yisman]

Seems like an odd signing to me. $53 million cheerleader. I don't know whether we wouldn't been able to make the other moves without signing our Boston cheerleader. But I didn't like it as a baseball move.
There's a reason no one came close to the money or length of the contract.

[Cakes]

It also started the chain reaction which got us all our big free agent acquisitions.

Me, you, and statjeff22 have written basically the same thing in this thread. The haters will eventually get it.

[MSUJet85]

Seems like an odd signing to me. $53 million cheerleader. I don't know whether we wouldn't been able to make the other moves without signing our Boston cheerleader. But I didn't like it as a baseball move.
There's a reason no one came close to the money or length of the contract.
We were a team just coming from just winning 71 games that year, had a new manager, and was basically a big rebuild job with just hopes that Reyes and Wright MIGHT be good, if we don't get Pedro, we definitely don't get Beltran, which means we probably won't get Delgado either, the Pedro signing was the start to our climb back to legitimancy

[nyscene911]

This is definately a hurt to the team. If not even on a purely baseball level, on a mental level it hurts to have one of you biggest characters and team leaders off the PO roster.

On that note, I'm making a BOLD prediction. Steve Traschel will pitch MUCH better than everyone expects. In fact, he won't lose a game until the WS. 6-7 innings, 2-3 runs each time. I'm keepin' the faith.

[MSUJet85]

This is definately a hurt to the team. If not even on a purely baseball level, on a mental level it hurts to have one of you biggest characters and team leaders off the PO roster.

On that note, I'm making a BOLD prediction. Steve Traschel will pitch MUCH better than everyone expects. In fact, he won't lose a game until the WS. 6-7 innings, 2-3 runs each time. I'm keepin' the faith.
That's just crazy, I hope you're right

[nyscene911]

That's just crazy, I hope you're right
As do I...And I'm not going to hide from that prediction either.

[Cakes]

I think Trachsel will pitch good enough in the postseason as I've been saying all year. He is getting a playoff start!

[Irv]

I'm not as bothered by the news because Pedro's been close to useless ever since the All-Star break. I gave up any expectations that he would be close to ready for the postseason after last night's performance, so it's better to get the news now because he hasn't been right for a long time and I don't want to prolong hope of any miraculous recovery. If the Mets were hinging on that, then the team is already in trouble.

I primarily do not want to see Astros make the playoffs. Beyond that, I think the Mets can get the job done in the NL and the entire pitching staff will hopefully step up and rise to the occasion. The pressure is on and this team has done a pretty good job all season of getting the job done from various sources when the challenge arises.

[Dierking]

Any Yankee fans with me in wishing someone else was starting in game three besides the Big Eunuch?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I was one of the people that didn't like the Pedro signing at the time, especially with the year he was coming off of in Boston, but now even that "the worst" has happened it's hard to get bent out of shape about it.

Minaya has shown that he can do more then just bring in the big money guys and as others have mentioned it did sort of change the perception of the Mets from the jokes they were 2 years ago.

[jonnyd]

I figured Martinez would only be good for two years with the Mets, but he didn't even last that long. Still an excellent acquisition because he was the major factor in making the Mets a legitimate force in baseball again.




the mets are what? about a 500 team when pedro pitches?

[Yisman]

It's a good thing there's no salary cap, that's all. Because if there was, bringing in an expensive cheerleader like Pedro, and trading for guys like Delgado who signed big FA deals and giving $119 million to Beltran...

Those things start to add up.

I guess if money is no object, there was nothing wrong with bringing in Pedro, except that we lose a draft pick for a guy who's close to useless for half the season.

[eyedea]

Does it matter pedro is out ?.... ummm NO they basicly won the division with out him. Since june how meny wins does he have . 2

[Mantana Soss]

I keep looking at this thread and seeing "Petro done for the year" - like he's not going to log in to his own website for a year :lol:

[Gator]

I keep looking at this thread and seeing "Petro done for the year" - like he's not going to log in to his own website for a year :lol:


Judging from the home page that could be the case. Our rally against the Pats keeps falling short. I'm hoping to log in one day and maybe we win that game. F'en Patsies......

[Jetsetter]

Yah, man, I be chillin' wit Manny 'n Papi on da beach back home wit de Red Stripe while Mets be freezin' in da win' at Shea. Jus' forward da paycheck.

[Irv]

And here's the thing to remember: The Mets spent most of this summer without Pedro. And they spent most of the summer winning without Pedro. In many ways, Pedro has been the Mets' placebo over his two years with the team: When he was on the mound, the Mets felt like they were practically unbeatable. But the reality is, their winning percentage since the first day of the 2005 season is over 40 points higher on days when Martinez doesn't pitch than on days that he has. It's true. You can look it up.

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[statjeff22]

And here's the thing to remember: The Mets spent most of this summer without Pedro. And they spent most of the summer winning without Pedro. In many ways, Pedro has been the Mets' placebo over his two years with the team: When he was on the mound, the Mets felt like they were practically unbeatable. But the reality is, their winning percentage since the first day of the 2005 season is over 40 points higher on days when Martinez doesn't pitch than on days that he has. It's true. You can look it up.

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Nice stat, but also misleading. From the start of last season through May 3 of this year, Pedro's record was 20-8, with a 2.81 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP. The Mets won 62.2% of the games he started, and only 51.3% of the games he didn't. At that point, no one could possibly have argued that he had not helped the team tremendously on the field (putting everything else aside). Since then, he is 3-8, with a 5.23 ERA and a 1.22 WHIP; the Mets have won only 29.4% of the games he started, while they've won 57.9% of the games he didn't start. It's very obvious that he got hurt, and hasn't recovered.

Interestingly, he actually pitched well his last 5 starts in May, although he was 0-1 and the Mets lost 4 of the 5 games, as he had a 2.25 ERA over that time. He might have actually gotten hurt sometime in June, since he has been just awful since then.

Pedro not pitching this postseason really doesn't hurt the team very much, given the way he's been pitching the past 4 months. It will be interesting to see if he can come back next year, or if he is completely done.

[boomer]

Just as I was about to make a post busting Met fan balls, I hear on ESPN that "The Old Unit" might be done for the playoffs too. :shit:

[FITM]

God damn it. I thought it was only 4-6 weeks.