Shawn Green traded to Mets

[Learn To Swim]

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With cash considerations, for a yet unnamed minor leaguer.

(This is all unofficial as of yet, as it must be approved by the Commish).

[GreenMachine]

Well, that should shore up your pitching holes.

[Learn To Swim]

Pitching seems to have held up pretty damn well so far, not to mention the fact that Glavine will only miss one start.

[Boss Revis]

Well, that should shore up your pitching holes.

Thanks for that.

[TurkJetFan]

huge pickup for the Mets IMO...


and about these pitching holes...the mets starting pitching hasnt been all that bad lately...get pedro 100% and with glavines arm with the ability to improve on its own and i think we'll be ok

[Green Lantern]

Well, I guess we lost Mel Gibson as a fan.
But I love this trade. Great name, for starters. Another lefty bat. A guy who can play the outfield and 1st base. In the words of Michael Douglas:
"Green is good. Green works."
Or was that greed? Either way, it can only help. Can't hurt. I'll take that trade everyday of the week.
One thing that does concern me. There aren't any Jewish holidays scheduled for playoff time, are there?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Why exactly did everyone seem to think the Mets needed another lefty bat? I mean, they already murder RHP and struggle against lefties, what is adding another lefty going to solve?

[FirstTimeCaller]

Well, that should shore up your pitching holes.


Maybe we should have gotten Ponson. :rofl:

[Learn To Swim]

Why exactly did everyone seem to think the Mets needed another lefty bat? I mean, they already murder RHP and struggle against lefties, what is adding another lefty going to solve?Green is a pretty good hitter against lefty pitching. His OPS is actually higher vs. LHP.

[statjeff22]

Why exactly did everyone seem to think the Mets needed another lefty bat? I mean, they already murder RHP and struggle against lefties, what is adding another lefty going to solve?

Green's numbers against lefties are better than they are against righties this year - .810 versus .764 OPS. He's not the hitter he was from 1999-2002, but he is a major league outfielder, something I doubt can be said about Milledge right now.

Edit: LTS beat me to it, but I provided the stats!

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Green is a pretty good hitter against lefty pitching. His OPS is actually higher vs. LHP.

Not really. His increased power numbers this year are an abberation and a result of a small sample size. Plus the fact that he has been awful against RHP this year as well.

Look at his splits from the last 3 years, .721 OPS against lefties, .861 against righties. Now, if we could expect that kind of production out of him against righties I wouldn't mind so much, even if it would overload the lineup a bit. But he's pretty crappy against any pitcher this year. The one thing I will say is he may be an upgrade over Milledge.

[statjeff22]

Well, that should shore up your pitching holes.

Wow, since when have you been trolling Mets threads?

[Boss Revis]

Wow, since when have you been trolling Mets threads?

Shhh. He can get away with it because hes a Mod:rolleyes:

[GreenMachine]

Shhh. He can get away with it because hes a Mod:rolleyes:
It was a joke. Come on Mets fans, giveth and taketh:smile:

[FITM]

Meanwhile, at SI.com, Jon Heyman writes the following…

“The Mets have engaged in serious trade discussions to acquire outfielder Moises Alou from the Giants, SI.com has learned.

“It appears now that Alou is actually the Mets' top outfield target, not Shawn Green, as previously thought.”…

The SI.com column by Heyman was published at 5:42 PM EDT, while the MLB.com report regarding the acquisition of Green was posted at 5:49 PM EDT…

…sounds to me like the alou idea was put in place to motivate the d’backs…or, the mlb.com report is premature, talks with arizona have fallen apart and heyman is correct, alou is now the mark…

In 247 at-bats for the Giants, Alou is batting .291 with 14 HR and 52 RBI in 69 games…

Alou was on the disabled list with a lower back strain in late June. He left Sunday’s game early with pain in his leg, which has been recurring all year long, according to the Associated Press…

[3rdAnd15Draw]

If there was even a remote chance that Alou would be healthy enough to play for any significant amount of time the rest of the year that rumor might've made some sense.

Unless they wanted to give Floyd some company on the DL.

[FITM]

In addition to the MLB.com report mentioned in the previous post, the Associated Press and Buster Olney at ESPN.com are now also reporting that OF Shawn Green and cash have been traded to the Mets…

D’Backs OF Luis Gonzalez, as quoted by ESPN.com…

“I think for Shawn and everybody it's a relief that it's over. It's a good opportunity for him. He has a chance to be in the playoffs. I'm happy for him. I called him right after I got here and found out.”…

[AlioTheFool]

This is crazy. I don't remember another time when so many waiver wire trades happened as they have this year.

[drownedjetsfan]

green is one of delgado's best friends they went through the blue jay organization together .

[FITM]

MLB.com reports that the Commissioner's office has given approval of Shawn Green's move to the Mets...

Also according to the report, the Mets have dealt southpaw Evan MacLane to the Diamondbacks to acquire him...

MacLane was 9-8 with a 3.68 ERA for Norfolk this season. Just last night, MacLane threw a five-hit shutout...

[Yisman]

edit: FITM beat me to it.

[FirstTimeCaller]

SG has hutzbah!

[FITM]

The D’Backs will pay $6.3 million of the $13.5 million owed to Mets OF Shawn Green through 2008, writes the Associated Press…

Green will earn $1.75 million through the rest of this season, $500,00 of which will be paid by Arizona, and $9.5 million in 2007 with a $2 million buyout on his deal in 2008…

…not bad…

…you figure this means the mets will pay green roughly $6 million next season, which would make him of interest to other teams should they want to trade him during the off-season, yet affordable should they look to keep him…

Green, as quoted by the AP…

“Had I played my whole career and never played in New York, I always would have wondered what it was like. We feel we're up for an adventure. At this stage in my career, it's a perfect fit.”…

[ShadeTree#55]

Bye Bye Ledee.

[PinPointPenning10]

Bye Bye Ledee.

Most likely bye bye Milledge, for now at least.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Most likely bye bye Milledge, for now at least.



Maybe for 8 days but will that cost them an option?

[Boss Revis]

Which kinda sucks, no righty outfield bats FTL.

[PinPointPenning10]

Maybe for 8 days but will that cost them an option?

I don't think they're too worried about options with Milledge since it's not like he's going to be a guy who's going to be constantly moving back and forth between the majors and minors, like Heath Bell. If they send him down again, it will probably be the last time since he will be here for the future.

[FirstTimeCaller]

By the way Yom Kippur takes place this year between sunset October 1 and nightfall October 2. We've got a meaningless 1:05 pm game against the Nats that day...

[ShadeTree#55]

No ways Lastings goes, we need RH bats. You can't carry Tucker, Ledee and Green.

Or do you really want Woodward as the second RH option off the bench?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

If the Mets send Lastings down he probably won't be a Met next season.

Needless to say I don't like this trade at all. If they're going to take on several million next year for a useless player, why didn't they go after a guy with a big contract who's actually a good player, like Abreu?

Not to mention that Green and Tucker probably are pretty comparable offensively at this point, and there's no question that Tucker is better defensively.

[HackettStillSux]

How come when they Yankees made a similiar deal for Abreu, all I would hear is how it was "unfair" and how the Yankees are ruining baseball?

[ShadeTree#55]

Because the Mets added just over 4 million in salary. The Yankees 20+ Million.

Get it now?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

How come when they Yankees made a similiar deal for Abreu, all I would hear is how it was "unfair" and how the Yankees are ruining baseball?

There's nothing even remotely similar about these 2 deals

[HackettStillSux]

There's nothing even remotely similar about these 2 deals


Potential all-star player traded for minor leaguers and cash in both cases.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Potential all-star? Green has been playing at an Xavier Nady-like level for his last 3 full seasons, and is even worse this year. You're delusional.

[Learn To Swim]

Potential all-star player traded for minor leaguers and cash in both cases.Except Abreu is younger and better than Green, and the main reason that the Phillies traded Abreu is so the Yankees could absorb that entire monstrosity of a contract.

The Mets trade was a player trade. The D'backs had no use for Green because of Carlos Quentin, and they're paying most of his contract for this season.

Completely different.

[ShadeTree#55]

The Dbacks are paying the Mets to take him, how is that the same as the Bankees taking Abreu's contract in full?

[HackettStillSux]

The Dbacks are paying the Mets to take him, how is that the same as the Bankees taking Abreu's contract in full?

ANd when the Rangers payed the Yanks to take A-ROd?

[ShadeTree#55]

Are you smoking crack this morning? Who gives a fuck about past Yankee trades?

[HackettStillSux]

Are you smoking crack this morning? Who gives a fuck about past Yankee trades?


Im just commenting on the inconsistancies I see. Frankly, I think it was a great trade for the Mets and they should be congratulated.

[ShadeTree#55]

I don't know any Met fans who complained about the Skanks payroll.

It makes it that much funnier when the eat a dick in the playoffs.

[HackettStillSux]

I don't know any Met fans who complained about the Skanks payroll.

It makes it that much funnier when the eat a dick in the playoffs.

Do you listen to WFAN at all?

[ShadeTree#55]

I try not to.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Do you listen to WFAN at all?

You've really lost it, what planet are you posting from? None of your posts are relevant or display even an ounce of sense.

[HackettStillSux]

You've really lost it, what planet are you posting from? None of your posts are relevant or display even an ounce of sense.


Even the one congratulating the MEts?

[Learn To Swim]

You've really lost it, what planet are you posting from? None of your posts are relevant or display even an ounce of sense.Maybe if we prod him a little he'll go completely crazy and start speaking in tounges.

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[Italian Seafood]

If there was even a remote chance that Alou would be healthy enough to play for any significant amount of time the rest of the year that rumor might've made some sense.

Unless they wanted to give Floyd some company on the DL.

Alou was killing the Dodgers over the weekend, he was the toughest out in the SF lineup. As for Green, I have to disagree with you there. He's a good player and I think he'll do well in the lineup the Mets have.

When we had Gary Sheffield hitting behind him in LA he was awesome, even the year after Sheff was traded Green hit over 40 homers after a bad start. In 2003 he played hurt the whole year and in 2004 he moved to 1B the day before the season, when we got Milton Bradley to play OF, and he was a key factor in winning the division.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Alou was killing the Dodgers over the weekend, he was the toughest out in the SF lineup. As for Green, I have to disagree with you there. He's a good player and I think he'll do well in the lineup the Mets have.

When we had Gary Sheffield hitting behind him in LA he was awesome, even the year after Sheff was traded Green hit over 40 homers after a bad start. In 2003 he played hurt the whole year and in 2004 he moved to 1B the day before the season, when we got Milton Bradley to play OF, and he was a key factor in winning the division.

Alou is a good player, it just seems like it's impossible for him to stay healthy at this point. The Mets already have an OF'er that fits that bill(although possibly not the good player part the way he's hit this year).

Green has had some big time seasons, but he's been only slightly above average from 03-05, and is having a pretty poor season in a hitters park this year. He's also a liability defensively. I guess the Mets felt it was worth it for a slight upgrade to their OF, but I'm not going to be doing backflips over this deal.

[kbgreen]

I think your guys are arguing over BS. The point is David Wright needs protection in the lineup and currently he has none. Shuan Green will give him better protection than he currently has. Who cares how much money he makes or for how long! I do care what we gave up for him and in this case we did not trade too much.

Now what we really need is starting pitching! IMO we do not have a starting rotation to win the world series!

[Italian Seafood]

Green has had some big time seasons, but he's been only slightly above average from 03-05, and is having a pretty poor season in a hitters park this year. He's also a liability defensively. I guess the Mets felt it was worth it for a slight upgrade to their OF, but I'm not going to be doing backflips over this deal.

It's not a blockbuster, but for where you guys want to go this year he's a good veteran addition. I don't know what's going on in Arizona, to be honest with you. They are 4 games behind the Dodgers and they trade Green, who has absolutely destroyed us since we traded him, right before we come in for three games against them.

Unless his defense has gone way down hill the past 1-1/2 seasons since I've watched him every day, he's pretty good. He even adapted to 1B on the fly and was part of the best defensive infield the Dodgers have had in decades.

[AlioTheFool]

How come when they Yankees made a similiar deal for Abreu, all I would hear is how it was "unfair" and how the Yankees are ruining baseball?

Hahaha, you know, I almost said the same thing myself, but then I thought about the reaction it would bring and stopped myself.

Of course, there will always be excuses why it's always different for the Yankees.

Just like it was all pretty that they threw a party for the '86ers, yet, the Yankees could throw an anniversary party every year for one team or another, but the Yankees would just be gloating on past glory.

It's always different for the Yankees. It's hard not to hate a team that has lost more World Series than many teams have even appeared in.

[statjeff22]

Alou is a good player, it just seems like it's impossible for him to stay healthy at this point. The Mets already have an OF'er that fits that bill(although possibly not the good player part the way he's hit this year).

Green has had some big time seasons, but he's been only slightly above average from 03-05, and is having a pretty poor season in a hitters park this year. He's also a liability defensively. I guess the Mets felt it was worth it for a slight upgrade to their OF, but I'm not going to be doing backflips over this deal.

This statement is to me is very reasonable, and I understand it more than your earlier comment that you didn't like the deal at all. This is basically trading Ledee for Green, isn't it? That has to be an upgrade in anyone's book. I don't care about the money (and given what they're getting from the D'Backs it's not that ridiculous), since there's no salary cap (I've never complained about the Yankees payroll either). If it turns out that Tucker does better than Green in the next five weeks, so be it. With a 13.5 game lead on Philly and a 10 game lead on St. Louis, the Mets can afford to give all of these guys tryouts, including pitchers like Maine, Bannister, Perez, etc.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

This statement is to me is very reasonable, and I understand it more than your earlier comment that you didn't like the deal at all. This is basically trading Ledee for Green, isn't it? That has to be an upgrade in anyone's book. I don't care about the money (and given what they're getting from the D'Backs it's not that ridiculous), since there's no salary cap (I've never complained about the Yankees payroll either). If it turns out that Tucker does better than Green in the next five weeks, so be it. With a 13.5 game lead on Philly and a 10 game lead on St. Louis, the Mets can afford to give all of these guys tryouts, including pitchers like Maine, Bannister, Perez, etc.

Yeah, when I made that first comment I thought that Green was making a good deal more then he actually is next year. They got 500k in cash this year and will be paying under 3mil for him next year with the 2m buyout in 08. Even if he doesn't work out they shouldn't feel obligated to start him next year at that price.

While there is no salary cap I would definately say the Mets are working with a budget, and I was afraid that deal might prevent them from going after other, better players in the offseason.

[statjeff22]

Yeah, when I made that first comment I thought that Green was making a good deal more then he actually is next year. They got 500k in cash this year and will be paying under 3mil for him next year with the 2m buyout in 08. Even if he doesn't work out they shouldn't feel obligated to start him next year at that price.

While there is no salary cap I would definately say the Mets are working with a budget, and I was afraid that deal might prevent them from going after other, better players in the offseason.

A good point, and one I admit I sometimes forget. Happily, as you note, Green isn't really making all that much, and the bonus is that if he can be decent (at a Floyd-like level, when Floyd is doing okay), this could actually be a good thing, in that they can put corner outfielders on the back burner, and concentrate on getting a top-of-the-rotation starter.