Yankees/Whitesox 8/10 [Archive] - TheGangGreen.com Message Board

AMJets

08-10-2006, 11:54 PM

What are people worried about? It's only the bottom of the third, and we're only down two.

A-Rod has a great series, then commits a couple of errors, and suddenly he's crap again. When are the fair-weathers going to "get it?"

Even though I like A-Rod, can't blame people for getting on him. He has not had an "A-Rod" stretch at all this year, and when he's hitting well it's a fielding problem, and when he's fielding well it's a hitting problem. This is a totally different player from the guy we saw last year. This is even worse than 2004.

AlioTheFool

08-10-2006, 11:59 PM

Even though I like A-Rod, can't blame people for getting on him. He has not had an "A-Rod" stretch at all this year, and when he's hitting well it's a fielding problem, and when he's fielding well it's a hitting problem. This is a totally different player from the guy we saw last year. This is even worse than 2004.

Yeah, he's struggled a bit this year. More in the field than at the plate, but big deal. Had Matsui and Sheff been in the lineup all year, does A-Rod hit significantly more homers? Probably.

Is he a great 3B? No. But then again, he is the best SS playing out of position in baseball. He's had some struggles this year. I'm not going to get down on him for it.

If the NY media and Steve Phillips didn't begin this ridiculous smear campaign against A-Rod, I highly doubt we even have this conversation right now.

AMJets

08-11-2006, 12:02 AM

Royals sweep the Sox. :rofl:

AMJets

08-11-2006, 12:03 AM

If the NY media and Steve Phillips didn't begin this ridiculous smear campaign against A-Rod, I highly doubt we even have this conversation right now.

Yes we would, because the fans were the ones that started it. And you don't need the media to tell you A-Rod, for his standards, is having a poor year.

jetsaholic1094

08-11-2006, 12:04 AM

Hey Alio, just noticed that avatar. :lol:

I wonder what PF4 will say about that. First the M&Ms...now this.

Royal Tee

08-11-2006, 12:06 AM

Royals sweep the Sox. :rofl:
I can Guarantee ESPN will play it down though.

Remember when the Yankees got swept at almost this exact time last year by the Royals?
ESPN had a 9 min. opening on the friggin thing.
Same as the A-Rod thing. 7 min opening.

The New England love fest seems to be kinda strong on ESPN.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:11 AM

Hey Alio, just noticed that avatar. :lol:

I wonder what PF4 will say about that. First the M&Ms...now this.

Well, the M&M's had nothing to do with her. It was just an idea I got into my head, so I made it. I didn't even know she had a green M&M for her avatar.

This new one is just temporary. It will be back to the M&M's tomorrow. I made this one specifically because of PF4. She knew I was going to, I warned her. Check out the last two pages of the "Bunker" thread.

AMJets

08-11-2006, 12:11 AM

Nice AB.

Launch another one Jason.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:11 AM

Yes we would, because the fans were the ones that started it. And you don't need the media to tell you A-Rod, for his standards, is having a poor year.

That's not how I remember it. I remember hearing the boos after ESPN started talking crap about A-Rod. Then the NY media jumped on board when the fans started booing, and fueled the fire.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:12 AM

Oh that just hurts.

typeOnegative13NY

08-11-2006, 12:13 AM

damn,giambi goes down. Is the sox/royals game over? did they really sweep them?

AMJets

08-11-2006, 12:14 AM

That's not how I remember it. I remember hearing the boos after ESPN started talking crap about A-Rod. Then the NY media jumped on board when the fans started booing, and fueled the fire.

From day one A-Rod has not been accepted by the majority of Yankees fans, even during his MVP season. This season the boos started earlier, which is why ESPN and the NY media made it a big deal.

AMJets

08-11-2006, 12:15 AM

damn,giambi goes down. Is the sox/royals game over? did they really sweep them?

Yeah, Schilling gave up 3 runs in the 8th and the Sox lost.

Royal Tee

08-11-2006, 12:16 AM

That's not how I remember it. I remember hearing the boos after ESPN started talking crap about A-Rod. Then the NY media jumped on board when the fans started booing, and fueled the fire.
I have to agree here. The Media Started it with the Fake stories on Jeter-A-Rod then continued to look for any little thing.
Once A-Rod started having trouble the Media was all over it including Fan and all the other outlets. The fans Ate it up and wear it on their sleeve like a bunch of Branded Zombies.

Remember, The More they keep it going, the More papers they sell.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:16 AM

From day one A-Rod has not been accepted by the majority of Yankees fans, even during his MVP season. This season the boos started earlier, which is why ESPN and the NY media made it a big deal.

Maybe you are right. In that case, there are far too many "Yankee fans" who became fans in the post-Mattingly era.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:18 AM

I have to agree here. The Media Started it with the Fake stories on Jeter-A-Rod then continued to look for any little thing.
Once A-Rod started having trouble the Media was all over it including Fan and all the other outlets. The fans Ate it up and wear it on their sleeve like a bunch of Branded Zombies.

Remember, The More they keep it going, the More papers they sell.

No kidding. I not-so-lovingly refer to most New Yorkers these days as "sheep."

As for the papers, yeah, can anyone say Lo Duca is front page news 4 days running now?

Jonathan_Vilma

08-11-2006, 12:22 AM

No kidding. I not-so-lovingly refer to most New Yorkers these days as "sheep."

As for the papers, yeah, can anyone say Lo Duca is front page news 4 days running now?
I actually feel bad for Lo Duca. No reason he should be getting so much shit for his divorce, especially since he's playing great and the media overlooks that.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:25 AM

I actually feel bad for Lo Duca. No reason he should be getting so much shit for his divorce, especially since he's playing great and the media overlooks that.

Of course. Why should he be judged for playing well on a playoff team? It only matters that he couldn't keep his D in his P. That's what people want to read about anyway, at least that is what I assume, since I have seen many more copies of the Post being read on the subway this week than normal.

People are sad...

typeOnegative13NY

08-11-2006, 12:26 AM

Yeah, Schilling gave up 3 runs in the 8th and the Sox lost.ah,so the 3 game lead is safe for the night. hell,with this line up i won't count out making it 4.:beer:

Royal Tee

08-11-2006, 12:32 AM

It only matters that he couldn't keep his D in his P.... Dookie in his Pampers??
:lol:

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:33 AM

Dookie in his Pampers??
:lol:

Close, very close...:breakdance:

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 12:35 AM

We can win this game kiddos!

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:41 AM

Come on guys, let's abuse Cotts.

FirstTimeCaller

08-11-2006, 12:48 AM

Yeah, he's struggled a bit this year. More in the field than at the plate, but big deal. Had Matsui and Sheff been in the lineup all year, does A-Rod hit significantly more homers? Probably..

Fair point.

Is he a great 3B? No. But then again, he is the best SS playing out of position in baseball.

So what... what is that worth?

If the NY media and Steve Phillips didn't begin this ridiculous smear campaign against A-Rod, I highly doubt we even have this conversation right now.

While I agree Philips rides Arod, to think he's be getting by scott free without Philips and the Post is to say he isn't struggling. Anybody can see he is underperforming, Philips and the like just throw fuel on the fire. In fact some were killing ARod as soon as he started playing for the Yanks.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:48 AM

Can you imagine if the Red Sox wind up not making the postseason? That would be crazy.

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 12:50 AM

Can you imagine if the Red Sox wind up not making the postseason? That would be crazy.
It is going to happen.

Time is running out.

And they suck. :up:

Exit 117

08-11-2006, 12:52 AM

Why is this game on still? Rain delay?

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:52 AM

Fair point.

So what... what is that worth?

While I agree Philips rides Arod, to think he's be getting by scott free without Philips and the Post is to say he isn't struggling. Anybody can see he is underperforming, Philips and the like just throw fuel on the fire. In fact some were killing ARod as soon as he started playing for the Yanks.

The whole point is that the booing is affecting A-Rod. Anyone who believes otherwise is crazy. It is one thing to get booed on the road, but to take it from your own fans, on your own turf, that's just hard to deal with.

As far as him playing out of position, it's not like a SS going to first. 3B is a totally different position from SS. I played both, and neither position is the same. I was a better 3B than a SS. The plays you need to make at third involve more quick reflexes, where SS requires more athleticism and range. It's a huge transition.

CP to LC =TD

08-11-2006, 12:53 AM

Great job Alex!

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:53 AM

Why is this game on still? Rain delay?

Yeah over an hour.

Wow, that was too close with Abreu.

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 12:55 AM

A-Rod has been pathetic in this game.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:56 AM

Nice job Jeter! Saved an out there.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 12:56 AM

This is ridiculous now. Why can't we score?

dwalsh

08-11-2006, 12:57 AM

ugh, still down 2

CP to LC =TD

08-11-2006, 12:57 AM

How many times is A Rod gonna not drive in the run in those spots. If it isnt the K, its a DP, if it isnt a DP, its a pop up. geez man. every day its the same shit. DO SOMETHING!!!!!!

AMJets

08-11-2006, 01:05 AM

Great job, dickhead ump.

FirstTimeCaller

08-11-2006, 01:07 AM

The whole point is that the booing is affecting A-Rod. Anyone who believes otherwise is crazy. It is one thing to get booed on the road, but to take it from your own fans, on your own turf, that's just hard to deal with.

What came first the chicken or the egg? Is he boo'ed for his struggles or are his struggles due to the boo's? Only Alex really knows the answer to that... but I will say this... what's the other option? To sit silent? To cheer him for bad play? Neither of those options seem realistic to me.

As far as him playing out of position, it's not like a SS going to first. 3B is a totally different position from SS. I played both, and neither position is the same. I was a better 3B than a SS. The plays you need to make at third involve more quick reflexes, where SS requires more athleticism and range. It's a huge transition.

No question it's a tough transition, but it's one that he chose and the NYY supported. At the end of the day saying "he is the best SS playing out of position in baseball" is meaningless because he's no longer the best SS in baseball because he doesn't play the position.... he's become just a decent third baseman.

typeOnegative13NY

08-11-2006, 01:08 AM

not lookin good. You just can't leave that many in scoring position and win these games.

AMJets

08-11-2006, 01:08 AM

Hard to mount a comeback when you're also facing the umps.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:10 AM

Yeah, let's just forget that A-Rod hit a two run homer to put the Yankees up 4-3 on Tuesday. You know, because he can't generate hits when they count and all.

dwalsh

08-11-2006, 01:10 AM

on a posotive note: Posada's arm is amazing as of late

jetsaholic1094

08-11-2006, 01:10 AM

Wow, that ump really screwed the Moose. So how many do you guys think will be left stranded this inning?

FirstTimeCaller

08-11-2006, 01:14 AM

Enjoy your game guys... I'm off to bed.

Yo where has RogerBlaze been?

GreenMachine

08-11-2006, 01:15 AM

Enjoy your game guys... I'm off to bed.

Yo where has RogerBlaze been?
He has been at JI claiming he was banned...

AMJets

08-11-2006, 01:15 AM

Nice Melky. Too bad the ump is a POS, or else it'd be tied.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:16 AM

What came first the chicken or the egg? Is he boo'ed for his struggles or are his struggles due to the boo's? Only Alex really knows the answer to that... but I will say this... what's the other option? To sit silent? To cheer him for bad play? Neither of those options seem realistic to me.

No question it's a tough transition, but it's one that he chose and the NYY supported. At the end of the day saying "he is the best SS playing out of position in baseball" is meaningless because he's no longer the best SS in baseball because he doesn't play the position.... he's become just a decent third baseman.

Well, the big problem is that the boos started way too quickly, and way too loud. My opinion is that the media fueled that fire, and the sheep followed along blindly.

As for 3B, I totally agree. He is not the best SS in baseball now, since he doesn't play the position. However, for people to get on him because he is just a decent 3B is unfair.

Let's remember, the biggest reason A-Rod is a Yankee is so that he is not a Red Sock. He would be playing SS in Boston had the Yankees not been the winner of the sweepstakes. Put him in Boston, with Manny and Ortiz, playing SS, and you have a totally different player. He is playing 3B here because Jeter was quite clear he would not give up his position for anyone, including A-Rod.

typeOnegative13NY

08-11-2006, 01:17 AM

the melk man delivers!

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 01:18 AM

MELKY!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

5-4 White Sox

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 01:19 AM

Damon is On!

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:20 AM

Nice slide!

FirstTimeCaller

08-11-2006, 01:23 AM

Well, the big problem is that the boos started way too quickly, and way too loud. My opinion is that the media fueled that fire, and the sheep followed along blindly.

I understand your point, but it's the poeple's right to boo whatever they want... and frankly, despite the fact he is my favorite Yankee, I don't blame them. He has to play through the boo's just like everybody else.

As for 3B, I totally agree. He is not the best SS in baseball now, since he doesn't play the position. However, for people to get on him because he is just a decent 3B is unfair.

Yeah but the expectation is for him to be the best player in baseball, and he's not anymore... part of that is b/c his value to his team is diminished playing 3rd as opposed to SS. Unless he lives up to his MVP salary and reputation every year by either putting up MVP numbers or carrying his team to a WS... he will be considered a dissapointment by some.

Let's remember, the biggest reason A-Rod is a Yankee is so that he is not a Red Sock. He would be playing SS in Boston had the Yankees not been the winner of the sweepstakes. Put him in Boston, with Manny and Ortiz, playing SS, and you have a totally different player. He is playing 3B here because Jeter was quite clear he would not give up his position for anyone, including A-Rod.

That's oretty much irrelavant to my point. That said, Seattle, Texas, or Boston may have ended up being a better choice for him in the long run... only time will tell.

I'm out!

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:23 AM

Myers against a righty?

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 01:25 AM

Myers against a righty?
= a single

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:27 AM

Joe Torre's School of Micromanagement 101

Mantana Soss

08-11-2006, 01:28 AM

Joe Torre's School of Micromanagement 101

Even with that single, righties are 5/18 vs Myers.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:30 AM

Even with that single, righties are 5/18 vs Myers.

I was actually referring to Joe's habit of having a guy pitch to one or two batters then bringing in Proctor, who I am surprised can even stand up straight at this point.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:33 AM

Stop throwing over the MIDDLE of the plate!

AMJets

08-11-2006, 01:41 AM

I despise warning track power.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:42 AM

This team is bringing me much more pain than I need.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:43 AM

Those are some nasty man-tits.

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 01:48 AM

Can anyone get a hit off of Jenks?

I hope so.

Cakes

08-11-2006, 01:48 AM

Those are some nasty man-tits.

Is it that fat Sox trainer you speak of? (I have the game on but my back is to the tv.)

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:50 AM

Is it that fat Sox trainer you speak of? (I have the game on but my back is to the tv.)

No, it was one of those Mohegan Sun commercials. This fatass was getting covered in some green crap (seaweed?) and he stood up. His man-tits bounced.

Cakes

08-11-2006, 01:59 AM

I should post in these yankees threads more often. They are 0-2 when I post in them this week. Damn, I should have posted last night.

Might as well. I got banned from Mets threads for refusing to eat turkey.

The Dark Knight

08-11-2006, 02:01 AM

Cakes

08-11-2006, 02:02 AM

No matter what you do, the Red Sox lose, so that is nice. :)

They blow. The White Sox are the best Sox.

nyjunc

08-11-2006, 12:29 PM

This team is bringing me much more pain than I need.

This series was frustrating but this was only our 2nd series loss in about 12-14 and we are 4 games up in the L column on Boston so it's hard to be that mad.

AlioTheFool

08-11-2006, 01:47 PM

This series was frustrating but this was only our 2nd series loss in about 12-14 and we are 4 games up in the L column on Boston so it's hard to be that mad.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the second series loss in the last 14. Sure that's great, but it's not that that is getting me so stressed.

I am having fits over having runners in scoring position a dozen times a game, and not driving any of them in. It's sad that with this much pop in the lineup, guys just can't bring the runs in.