Yankees Acquire Sal Fasano; Looking at Wilson Betemit. 7/26 game thread

[AMJets]

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FASANO CATCHES ON WITH BOMBERS
By GEORGE KING

July 26, 2006 -- ARLINGTON - Looking to upgrade their backup catching situation the Yankees acquired Sal Fasano from the Phillies last night for an undisclosed minor leaguer, The Post has learned.

Fasano had been designated for assignment by the Phillies last weekend and immediately caught the Yankees' attention because he was with them in spring training in 2004 and spent the season with Columbus (Triple-A).

Fasano, 34, is expected to replace Kelly Stinnett.

Stinnett hasn't hit the way the Yankees expected him to when they signed him to take John Flaherty's job this past season.

Most alarming about Stinnett is that in 79 at-Bats, he fanned 29 times. He is hitting a paltry .228.

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PLACE YOUR BETEMIT
By GEORGE KING

July 26, 2006 -- ARLINGTON, Texas - The Phillies told Bobby Abreu's agent the Yankees and Mets remain interested in the right fielder, but the Yankees have expanded their search for a bat beyond Philadelphia.

The Post has learned the Yankees and Braves have held discussions about the Yankees acquiring switch-hitting infielder Wilson Betemit and may be willing to give up reliever Scott Proctor.

Betemit has filled in well for Chipper Jones at third base, but the Braves believe their best way to cop the NL wild card is to improve their bullpen. And like a lot of NL clubs, the Phillies included, they like Proctor's live arm.

"They have a lot of teams asking for Betemit," an NL source said of the Braves. "And some of them have more experienced players to offer than the Yankees."

Betemit was hitting .290 with nine homers and 29 RBIs in 85 games going into last night.

"He is a [Placido] Polanco-type hitter with more pop," a scout said of Betemit, a career .284 hitter with 13 homers and 52 RBIs in 230 games.

Though the Braves believe Betemit is a player capable of contributing, they don't have a starting job for the infielder who turns 26 on Friday.

The Yankees view Betemit as the ultimate utility man who can play second base in Robinson Cano's absence. Cano, who has missed a month due to a hamstring problem, is at least two weeks away and could be out longer.

Getting Betemit would allow the Yankees to entertain trade offers for Cano during the offseason, when they will be in the market for pitching.

The Braves also like Columbus (Triple-A) lefty reliever Matt Smith and righty T.J. Beam, who was recalled by the Yankees on Monday.

Betemit had started 25 games at third base, 10 at shortstop and nine at second base for the Braves. Some talent evaluators believe the 6-foot-3, 200-pounder is athletic enough to play the outfield, though he hadn't played there in the big leagues.

Talks between the clubs began when the Braves were in The Bronx late last month and have intensified in recent days.

The Yankees are dancing with danger by surrendering Proctor, who has been lights-out since the All-Star break. In his past six appearances (seven innings) before last night's game against the Rangers, Proctor hadn't given up a run, surrendered three singles and fanned eight.

Removing Proctor from the bullpen mix would hurt, but the Yankees need a jolt in their lineup that isn't getting power from the corner outfield spots or first base when Andy Phillips is there.

As for Abreu, Peter Greenberg said the Phillies called to check his client's temperature about being dealt.

"The Phillies called me and asked me about Bobby's appetite for a trade," Greenberg said. "They said both New York teams had inquired and we said it depends on the situation if Bobby would give up his no-trade clause."

The buzz in the Yankees' clubhouse yesterday was that the team turned down Proctor for Abreu straight-up with the Yankees absorbing the $23.5 million left on Abreu's contract through next season. There is a $16 million option for 2008 that Abreu likely would want picked up to drop the no-trade provision.

However, a source close to the Phillies said the discussions never reached that level.

"It's kind of wearing on him," Greenberg said of Abreu and the constant trade talk. "He hears his name all the time and his phone is ringing off the hook. The good thing is, that with the no-trade, he has control of what happens."

[AlioTheFool]

Let's see. Give up one of our most solid pitchers in the pen for a utility guy? Hmmm, NOT.

WTF are the Yanks thinking? Why are we moving backwards? This is exactly the way we suffered through the 80's. Everything is about offense. We don't need offense. We score runs. Who cares if they are from longballs or base hits? Scoring is scoring, but if you don't have solid pitching, you don't win titles. It's a simple formula.

What else do they expect? The corners aren't providing enough pop? Cabrera is exciting, and he is even growing more patient. Guile has been a great surprise. Bernie has been better than he has in years. Crosby has good and bad days, but if he actually played every day he would be more consistent.

And why would they even consider trading Cano? I swear, Mattingly must be cursed. This whole season has been one scary reminder of the mid to late eighties. No worrying about pitching, just big bats. So who is the next Balboni, or Barfield?

[kinghenry89]

I'm in love with Betemit as a player, but trade our best reliever not named Rivera for the pleasure of having the best backup utility man in baseball? I certainly hope not.

Unless Cashman knows something that the media doesn't and Cano's injury is more serious than we think, this deal would probably be his worst as Yankees GM. Imagine the backlash if we lose Game 5 of the ALDS because we had to sene TJ Beam out in the 7th inning...

[jetman8094]

If they trade Proctor the way he is pitching right now then Cashman shold have his head examined.

[ShadeTree#55]

Wow Fasano is one of the worst offensive players in baseball, he is not an upgrade.

Trading Proctor seems shortsighted too.

[nyscene911]

So how long now until there's "Sal's Pals" at Yankees Stadium sportin some muttonchops.

[boogerstyles]

trading proctor would be dumb. however, i would give up farnsworth in a new york minute.

[Learn To Swim]

Why does Sal Fasano have to keep playing for teams that I don't like?

[GreenMachine]

Hopefully that means no more friggin' Stinnett:breakdance:

PHILADELPHIA (Ticker) - The New York Yankees on Wednesday acquired backup catcher Sal Fasano from the Philadelphia Phillies.

Fasano, 34, had been designated for assignment by the Phillies on July 22. In 50 games, he hit .243 with four home runs and 10 RBI.

Kelly Stinnett is the Yankees' backup to starting catcher Jorge Posada.

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Philadelphia received minor league second baseman Hector Made in the deal.

A native of the Dominican Republic, Made, 21, hit .286 with three homers and 28 RBI in 86 games for Class A Clearwater of the Florida State League.

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[AMJets]

Buster Olney said the Proctor-for-Betemit rumors are legit, and talks have intensified in recent days. Hopefully the trade happens.

[The Dark Knight]

I don't know if this is good or bad. Only time will tell I guess.

Losing Proctor could hurt I would think though.

[ButtleMan]

The only reason why the Yankees would make a Proctor/Betimet trade is if one of the IF'ers is involved in another trade. *cough *Cough****Cano***Cough
Either way it would be a rediculous trade for the Yankees to make. That would give Joe one less arm to overuse.

[AMJets]

The only reason why the Yankees would make a Proctor/Betimet trade is if one of the IF'ers is involved in another trade. *cough *Cough****Cano***Cough
Either way it would be a rediculous trade for the Yankees to make. That would give Joe one less arm to overuse.

Not necessarily. Betemit is a super-sub who could play every position, and would probably end up playing 1B the majority of the time. They could trade either Cano or Betemit in the off-season for a starting pitcher, but adding Betemit and subtracting Cairo and/or Phillips would make a big difference.

There's also a chance right after the trade that Betemit is sent to San Diego for Linebrink.

[ButtleMan]

Not necessarily. Betemit is a super-sub who could play every position, and would probably end up playing 1B the majority of the time. They could trade either Cano or Betemit in the off-season for a starting pitcher, but adding Betemit and subtracting Cairo and/or Phillips would make a big difference.

There's also a chance right after the trade that Betemit is sent to San Diego for Linebrink.

That is a deal I would love to see. Linebrink>>Proctor.

[10nyjets87]

if we trade proctor who holds our bullpen together for betemit who will play 2 weeks until cano comes back. Well we will not make the playoffs.

[AMJets]

if we trade proctor who holds our bullpen together for betemit who will play 2 weeks until cano comes back. Well we will not make the playoffs.

Proctor's value will never be higher than it is now, and will never again be able to bring back a player like Betemit, so I'd be willing to take the chance we don't make the playoffs for one season.

[Jetfanmack]

Proctor's value will never be higher than it is now, and will never again be able to bring back a player like Betemit, so I'd be willing to take the chance we don't make the playoffs for one season.
Betemit's a nice player, but he'd be a backup here. I don't have a problem trading Proctor while his value is at its peak, but where will Betemit play in a week or two when Cano gets back?

[AMJets]

Betemit's a nice player, but he'd be a backup here. I don't have a problem trading Proctor while his value is at its peak, but where will Betemit play in a week or two when Cano gets back?

He'd be a super-sub, someone who can play 1B, or play one of the other positions to give someone a day off, and he would be a huge boost to the awful bench.

[Jetfanmack]

He'd be a super-sub, someone who can play 1B, or play one of the other positions to give someone a day off, and he would be a huge boost to the awful bench.
True, but Proctor's been very valuable to us, and while Betemit is a nice player, Cano, Jeter, and ARod are young enough where they don't really need many days off, and playing Betemit at first base is wasting what he's good for because he is not very good offensively for a first baseman.

[AMJets]

He also allows us, in the off-season, to package either he or Cano for a front-line starter. As far as 1B goes, without looking it up, I'd imagine his OPS is better than nearly half of the starting 1B in baseball. Most importantly, it's better than Phillips and Cairo.

[Jetfanmack]

I know he's better than Cairo and Phillips, but if we're going to trade for someone to primarily be a first baseman, I would trade for a first baseman.

Betemit's value rests on being able to start anywhere in the infield. Betemit's a very nice player, and I wouldn't hate the trade, but having a guy who is pitching as well as Proctor is, is more important than a utility guy.

I just re-looked at his stats. I love the .844 OPS, but I don't think a guy who can play shortstop at that clip is going to be had for Proctor. It's a pretty fair trade, but Atlanta would probably get more.

If the plan is to end up getting a frontline starter in the future with Betemit as the key component, why doesn't Atlanta just do that? Or at least get someone better than Proctor.

[AMJets]

I'm not saying getting a frontline starter with Betemit as the key component can be done, I was just throwing it out there as another possible solution for acquiring him. Braves are also desperate for middle relief, and they like Proctor's arm. That's the only reason they would ever consider trading someone with Betemit's talent for Proctor.

[AMJets]

Someone on NYYFans just said that Buster Olney was just on SportsCenter and said that Betemit to the Yankees is very close to happening, the only thing holding it up is Atlanta waiting to see how serious Chipper's latest injury is.

[kinghenry89]

Someone on NYYFans just said that Buster Olney was just on SportsCenter and said that Betemit to the Yankees is very close to happening, the only thing holding it up is Atlanta waiting to see how serious Chipper's latest injury is.
We absolutely have to make a deal for another reliever in that case. Even if we have to overpay for a mediocre guy like Roberto Hernandez this bullpen does not make the playoffs without Proctor (who again last night saved the game by pitching two lights out innings.)

[AMJets]

Betemit out of the lineup for Atlanta tonight (and Chipper is playing with a bad oblique). Proctor won't pitch anyway due to a heavy workload recently, so there's nothing to read into there.

[Jetfanmack]

I like Betemit a lot, but I just don't think we need him enough unless they know something about Cano that we don't. Or maybe they think that if he played steadily at first, he could develop more power.

[AlioTheFool]

We absolutely have to make a deal for another reliever in that case. Even if we have to overpay for a mediocre guy like Roberto Hernandez this bullpen does not make the playoffs without Proctor (who again last night saved the game by pitching two lights out innings.)

And here is the problem in a nutshell. Fine, Proctor may never be better than he is right now, and we may never get better value for him. However, who the hell do we pitch in the 6th and 7th when the majority of our starters are barely struggling through innings? At least in the past few years there have been guys in the pen who could fill in a little bit, but who do we have now?

The best guy after Proctor who isn't nicknamed Mo is Vallone. How many innings can they expect him to throw in the second half? He throws hard, but he also throws like a guy who is going to have a hanging stump on his left shoulder in late September. Then what?

I don't understand what everyone's problem with the Yankee offense is. Jeter is Jeter. A-Rod isn't having nearly as bad a season as everyone is making it out to be. Cabrera is progressing very well and learning patience at the plate. Damon is fine (when he plays at least.) Guile has been a great surprise. Bernie is hitting very well for almost not even being here this year. Crosby can hit when he gets some time to play. Posada is having a very good year.

So what does that leave? First and second base with some lack of production. However, I like Cairo's fielding, and Phillips is fine defensively. Neither is a super star, but they are still functional. Hell, if the Yankees are dead set on not keeping Cano at second (why they would do that I have no clue) why not try for Soriano?

[Jetfanmack]

Wow, I didn't realize how badly Hernandez was doing. I only saw his 3.00 ERA, but a 1.64 WHIP is disturbing.

[AMJets]

And here is the problem in a nutshell. Fine, Proctor may never be better than he is right now, and we may never get better value for him. However, who the hell do we pitch in the 6th and 7th when the majority of our starters are barely struggling through innings? At least in the past few years there have been guys in the pen who could fill in a little bit, but who do we have now?

The best guy after Proctor who isn't nicknamed Mo is Vallone. How many innings can they expect him to throw in the second half? He throws hard, but he also throws like a guy who is going to have a hanging stump on his left shoulder in late September. Then what?

I don't understand what everyone's problem with the Yankee offense is. Jeter is Jeter. A-Rod isn't having nearly as bad a season as everyone is making it out to be. Cabrera is progressing very well and learning patience at the plate. Damon is fine (when he plays at least.) Guile has been a great surprise. Bernie is hitting very well for almost not even being here this year. Crosby can hit when he gets some time to play. Posada is having a very good year.

So what does that leave? First and second base with some lack of production. However, I like Cairo's fielding, and Phillips is fine defensively. Neither is a super star, but they are still functional. Hell, if the Yankees are dead set on not keeping Cano at second (why they would do that I have no clue) why not try for Soriano?

Anytime you can trade something so average like Proctor for a young player like Betemit who already is a good hitter, and as his minor league traits show, will continue to improve at the major league level, you have to do it and not think twice. When all is said and done, Proctor will finish this year with an ERA around 4.2, 4.3. I know I can get nearly that from Beam/Smith. And when all is said and done, Betemit will have an .850+ OPS, but I know Cairo (currently at .590) will never even sniff .700. Betemit provides far greater value to the Yankees now, and in the future (as a Yankee, and he also allows us to see what the pitching market is this off-season for either he or Cano.)

Besides, the offense is a problem. Like Derrek Lee has shown, a great hitter coming back from a serious injury isn't a slam dunk to continue to do what he did before, so we may not see the real Matsui or Sheffield this season. Bernie is just a disaster that should have retired after the 2003 or 2004 season. Crosby barely deserves to start for a minor league team, let alone the Yankees. Phillips is meh. Cairo is just sad, because he seems like a nice guy and you know he's trying hard, but he's awful.

[Jetfanmack]

Anytime you can trade something so average like Proctor for a young player like Betemit who already is a good hitter, and as his minor league traits show, will continue to improve at the major league level, you have to do it and not think twice. When all is said and done, Proctor will finish this year with an ERA around 4.2, 4.3. I know I can get nearly that from Beam/Smith. And when all is said and done, Betemit will have an .850+ OPS, but I know Cairo (currently at .590) will never even sniff .700. Betemit provides far greater value to the Yankees now, and in the future.

Besides, the offense is a problem. Like Derrek Lee has shown, a great hitter coming back from a serious injury isn't a slam dunk to continue to do what he did before, so we may not see the real Matsui or Sheffield this season. Bernie is just a disaster that should have retired after the 2003 or 2004 season. Crosby barely deserves to start for a minor league team, let alone the Yankees. Phillips is meh. Cairo is just sad, because he seems like a nice guy and you know he's trying hard, but he's awful.
Betemit is a better player than Proctor. Only problem is that we need Proctor more than we need Betemit.

[AMJets]

Betemit is a better player than Proctor. Only problem is that we need Proctor more than we need Betemit.

Depends on how long Cano is out. The drop between Betemit and Cairo is far greater than the drop between Proctor (who once Clueless overuses him, will return to his 4.30 ERA form) and Smith/Beam/Cox/whomever. I'd also imagine Dotel, in September, can give us a sub 4.5 ERA.

[AMJets]

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Betemit may be dealt to Yankees
Reliever Proctor interests Braves

By DAVID O'BRIEN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/27/06
Wilson Betemit's hitting surge helped bolster the Braves' offense, and now he might be dealt for bullpen help.

A person familiar with negotiations said Wednesday the Braves and the Yankees are discussing a deal that would send the versatile infielder to New York in exchange for hard-throwing setup man Scott Proctor.

The San Diego Padres and at least one other team also were interested in trading for Betemit, but — as of Wednesday — the Braves viewed Proctor as the best reliever potentially available.

The Yankees, though, became more hesitant to trade Proctor after pitcher Octavio Dotel had a recent setback in recovery from elbow surgery. They had originally anticipated getting Dotel back this week, but that has been delayed.

The Braves want to make a move before Monday's non-waiver trade deadline.

"All I can do is keep on playing, doing what I do," said Betemit, who had a .284 average, nine homers and 29 RBIs in 197 at-bats before Wednesday, including three homers and 11 RBIs in 10 games since the All-Star break.

"I love this team. They gave me the opportunity to play, and I'd love to be a Brave all my life. But I don't make those decisions. I just play."

He has played well at three infield positions over two seasons and started nine of 11 games since the All-Star break while filling in for second baseman Marcus Giles and third baseman Chipper Jones.

The Braves are reluctant to trade him with no other proven player to fill in for Jones. But they think they could get by with a prospect in their system now — probably Martin Prado — until acquiring someone.

During the ongoing Betemit trade talks, the Braves also have talked to other teams about available utility players with third-base experience.

After trading for closer Bob Wickman last week, the Braves want to strengthen the bridge to the ninth inning. Their bullpen was 14th in the National league with a 4.81 ERA and a league-high 20 blown saves in 41 chances before Wednesday.

Proctor is 3-2 with a 3.94 ERA in 50 appearances, with 60 strikeouts, 23 walks and a .226 opponents' average, with nearly equal effectiveness vs. left-handed hitters (.220 opponents' average) and right-handers (.230).

He has been dominant since the All-Star break, allowing only three hits and no walks with 12 strikeouts in nine scoreless innings over seven games. Opponents have hit .103 since the break.

The Yankees are looking for someone to provide some power at second base while Robinson Cano

recovers from a hamstring injury, which will probably sideline him another two weeks or more.

Three others who have played second base for the Yankees have produced only one home run and 19 RBIs in 110 at-bats. The Yankees believe Betemit can play second base and first base and possibly the outfield.

Betemit, who turns 26 on Friday, is blocked behind Jones at third base and Giles at second, at least this season.

Giles' injuries and decreased production reduced trade interest in him. And his salary next season will likely top $5 million, more than 10 times what non-arbitration eligible Betemit is expected to make.

Proctor is just coming into his own at 29. The former Florida State standout went back and forth between the minors in the 2004 and 2005 seasons and has established himself as a key contributor for the Yankees this season.

Scouts say his four-pitch repertoire makes him a strong candidate for a starting rotation or bullpen. He won't be eligible for arbitration until after the 2007 season, which makes him that much more attractive to a Braves organization that needs affordable pitching.

He was a fifth-round draft pick from the Dodgers in 1998 and spent six seasons in the minors with the Dodgers and Yankees, who got him in a 2003 trade along with outfield Bubba Crosby in exchange for Robin Ventura.

[kinghenry89]

Depends on how long Cano is out. The drop between Betemit and Cairo is far greater than the drop between Proctor (who once Clueless overuses him, will return to his 4.30 ERA form) and Smith/Beam/Cox/whomever. I'd also imagine Dotel, in September, can give us a sub 4.5 ERA.

Here's the problem with that theory though: when is Dotel going to be back? There will be an adjustment period for him when he comes back to the big leagues and let's face facts, he's been "two weeks away" for almost 2 months now. This is not a guy who we can rely on to be a big contributor.

Your theory that Proctor has a 4.20 ERA and we could get almost that much from Beam or Cox would work better in theory with a hitter, because everything would even out given the amount of at bats they get. But tell me, in a game that decides the division against Boston would you want to send TJ Beam into the game to face Ramirez, Ortiz and Lowell? I'd rather have Proctor.

Our bullpen is fractured to the point that we just can't deal Proctor unless we have a plan to add another arm. It's just inconcievable.

On another note, for those of you who speculate that we could pick up Betemit and then trade Cano, I implore you to look at their career stats. Betemit, 26 years old, is a career .282 hitter with 13 homers and 52 RBIs in 493 at bats. Cano, 23 years old, is a career .306 hitter with 18 homers and 89 RBIs in 793 ABs. He was also selected as an all-star this year.

Cano has secured a starting job and become an all-star in 1 and a half years in the Bronx. Betemit hasn't proven that much despite being a highly touted Atlanta prospect for some time (he was actually considered a bust until recently.) So don't tell me that we should trade Cano, well on his way to becoming the best second baseman in baseball with Soriano in the outfield, to make room for Betemit.

[MisterMoss]

Temporary Game Thread:

Arod and MELKY!!!!!!

[dwalsh]

Melky is really clutch if you think about it

[King Koopa]

maybe betemit will be our primary 1b with giambi primary dh when cano gets back....i think you have to pull the trigger....proctor is good, but betemit can be a potential all star in future years as he is very young....we have to deal for another reliever, and may be screwing ourselves for this year if we don't get one, but no doubt this is a great trade in the long run

[kinghenry89]

maybe betemit will be our primary 1b with giambi primary dh when cano gets back....i think you have to pull the trigger....proctor is good, but betemit can be a potential all star in future years as he is very young....we have to deal for another reliever, and may be screwing ourselves for this year if we don't get one, but no doubt this is a great trade in the long run
The Yankees don't trade established contributors for prospects because they are young. We are trying to win the World Series this October not in 5 years.

[dwalsh]

too bad Guiel Ks.. oh well, the run still got in

Yanks winning 6-4

[MisterMoss]

Melky is really clutch if you think about it
One of our better players when things are on the line. He's very impressive.

[dwalsh]

One of our better players when things are on the line. He's very impressive.
his two at bats with the bases loaded that i can remember are a triple off the very top of the wall, and a homerun.

[10nyjets87]

Now that i think of the trade.. it wont be such a bad deal if Dotel is almost ready to come back.

[MisterMoss]

Now that i think of the trade.. it wont be such a bad deal if Dotel is almost ready to come back.
I'm not counting on Dotel at this point. He's had three setbacks already...well 2.5 since this latest one isn't as bad as they bad previously thought, but still. Who knows. If he ever plays for us this season, it's bonus.

Speaking of Dotel, I read this on ESPN.com:

The Mets offered a one-year deal with a club option for 2007. The Yankees won the bidding war by offering the injured right-hander a simple one-year package for $3 million, allowing Dotel to become a free agent after this season.

Wasn't aware that he was getting that much for a season which he knew we'd be lucky if he pitched for two months.

[dwalsh]

He said he wants to stay a Yankee. So if he proves he can come back effective, then he will resign with the Yanks if they want him back.

[AlioTheFool]

Guess A-Rod can hit in the clutch huh? I can't believe people really doubt him. Melky is one of the most talented people to come out of our system in a long time, probably the most talented since Jeter.

And the point I was trying to make about Proctor was clarified after my last post. It doesn't matter if a positional player is talented, we need Proctor right now. We have no one to pitch. Again, I point to the 80's as the example of how getting tons of bat power and defense doesn't win. Pitching does.

A lineup with Posada, Phillips, Cano/Cairo, A-Rod, Jeter, Melky, Damon, and Guile/Bernie/Crosby will score runs. We need pitchers who can hold the runs down.

BTW: Still think we don't need Proctor?

[MisterMoss]

How is TJ Beam going to take on part of Proctor's role if he lets the first two batters of this inning get onto 2nd and 3rd?

[dwalsh]

Farnsworth is believed to be injured... if its anything serious then this trade CANNOT happen

[10nyjets87]

is pavano due back mid august? I know he was due july but had some arthoscopic surgery on his elbow.

[The Dark Knight]

Temporary Game Thread:
TJ Beam! :mad:

[AlioTheFool]

Why would we bother with Dotel? He and Pavano can go jump off the Triboro for all I care. They are both useless.

[MisterMoss]

Guess A-Rod can hit in the clutch huh?
Well, doing something of great significance with the bat every 2-3 weeks isn't enough for me from a guy who has been our clean-up hitter for most of the season.

But enough of that :)

[AlioTheFool]

Thanks Beam!

EDIT: TORRE WTF are you DOING??? Why is Myers warming up? Let PROCTOR PITCH!

[10nyjets87]

o.k. trade him :mad: now we will lose the game because torre will bring in rivera to pitch two innings and he ALWAYS blows tie games.

[AMJets]

Here's the problem with that theory though: when is Dotel going to be back? There will be an adjustment period for him when he comes back to the big leagues and let's face facts, he's been "two weeks away" for almost 2 months now. This is not a guy who we can rely on to be a big contributor.

Your theory that Proctor has a 4.20 ERA and we could get almost that much from Beam or Cox would work better in theory with a hitter, because everything would even out given the amount of at bats they get. But tell me, in a game that decides the division against Boston would you want to send TJ Beam into the game to face Ramirez, Ortiz and Lowell? I'd rather have Proctor.

Our bullpen is fractured to the point that we just can't deal Proctor unless we have a plan to add another arm. It's just inconcievable.

On another note, for those of you who speculate that we could pick up Betemit and then trade Cano, I implore you to look at their career stats. Betemit, 26 years old, is a career .282 hitter with 13 homers and 52 RBIs in 493 at bats. Cano, 23 years old, is a career .306 hitter with 18 homers and 89 RBIs in 793 ABs. He was also selected as an all-star this year.

Cano has secured a starting job and become an all-star in 1 and a half years in the Bronx. Betemit hasn't proven that much despite being a highly touted Atlanta prospect for some time (he was actually considered a bust until recently.) So don't tell me that we should trade Cano, well on his way to becoming the best second baseman in baseball with Soriano in the outfield, to make room for Betemit.

Dotel's "adjustment" period is something that is considered good for Proctor. Let's remember what Proctor is, the only reason he's doing well is because the AS break just happened, and Clueless couldn't use him for 5 days. His arm is still fresh. Soon enough, he will be overused, and suck again. Everyone is acting like Proctor is a huge part of the bullpen. He's going to fall back down to earth here very soon, and when someone offers you a player like Betemit for him, you don't even think twice.

It doesn't matter if it's Proctor or Beam, the only guy who can be counted on to get out Ortiz and Ramirez is Rivera. If either of them is on the mound against those two with the season on the line, we are screwed.

The speculation to trade Cano is only to see what is available. Cano is a better pure hitter, but Betemit has more power. It's not like the two are world's apart. Both will improve, especially Betemit, whose patterns show he gets better each year at the next level. Cano has more value, if he and a mid-level prospect can bring back a top of the line starter, then you have to atleast look into it, and you can seriously consider it since you have Betemit on the team.

[10nyjets87]

WOOO i take that back... I want rivera over chacon. well if they even make it to extras.

[AMJets]

Surprise, surprise.

Really, if people thought Proctor could remain successful with the Clueless dumb fuck of a manager he has, you're delusional.

[CP to LC =TD]

Why the fuck was TJ BUM IN THE GAME

[AMJets]

Get him out of there, so Cashman can get Scott on the next flight to Atlanta.

[AlioTheFool]

Surprise, surprise.

Really, if people thought Proctor could remain successful with the Clueless dumb fuck of a manager he has, you're delusional.

Well, at least I agree with you on one thing. Torre is a total assclown. I wanted him fired two years ago, and I still feel the same way. To think, we could have had Joe Girardi coaching this team right now. :mad:

[MisterMoss]

This is upsetting.

[The Dark Knight]

Good grief. 7-6 Rangers. Bases Loaded 0 outs.

[dwalsh]

we need a triple play right here.

Line Drive to arod, diving catch down the line. Land on 3rd Base, fire it down to first. Inning over

[Boss Revis]

Ok I'm a Met fan but I'm just stunned here.

Farnsworth no clue what happened to him..
TJ Beam blows
Scott Proctor's arm is HUMAN FLESH he can't pitch all the time!!

soooooo day off tomorrow.. screw it, screw it, screw it, you go with Mariano for 2 innings with the 2 run lead and the game would be won.

[kinghenry89]

Are you guys all idiots? Remember last night when Proctor pitched 2 freaking innings!?

That's right, Torre's clueless for using Proctor too much. He's also clueless for bringing in anybody not named Proctor. Some of you folks are unbelieveable.

[JetsVilma28]

holy shit, i am breaking shit around my place......Melky is the man....fire torre, and I am just so pissed. God Danm.....plus boston lost, these yankees don't want to win enough.

[10nyjets87]

yankees blow the game.. well at least its safe to say al fasono has the best mustache in baseball.

[dwalsh]

Using proctor now 51 times is absurd. This is his first full season in the majors, and he has the most appearences in the majors... something is very very wrong with that

[AlioTheFool]

Ok I'm a Met fan but I'm just stunned here.

Farnsworth no clue what happened to him..
TJ Beam blows
Scott Proctor's arm is HUMAN FLESH he can't pitch all the time!!

soooooo day off tomorrow.. screw it, screw it, screw it, you go with Mariano for 2 innings with the 2 run lead and the game would be won.

Not when you're Joe Torre. When you are Torre you play "matchups" like it's a friggin card game or something.

[AMJets]

Using proctor now 51 times is absurd. This is his first full season in the majors, and he has the most appearences in the majors... something is very very wrong with that

There's a lot of things very very wrong with Clueless Joe.

[Boss Revis]

Who did you guys want in?

I said Mariano for 2... only thing that made sense.

[The Dark Knight]

Giambi is due, so thats good.

[10nyjets87]

Using proctor now 51 times is absurd. This is his first full season in the majors, and he has the most appearences in the majors... something is very very wrong with that
someones gotta be first. It just sucks its a yankee who gets overworked.

[AMJets]

Giambi is due, so thats good.

Hopefully Clueless doesn't use Bubba Crosby to pinch hit for him.

You never know. A belly full of guts goes a long way.

[kinghenry89]

Just tell me who you'd have Torre use instead of Proctor to pitch the 8th inning and I'll listen to you when you say Torre is an idiot who should be fired.

I think that this game is just about as great evidence as we're gonna get that the Yankees can't afford to lose yet another bullpen arm.

[AlioTheFool]

Wow, was that an OUT?

[10nyjets87]

Marry me chacon!

[AlioTheFool]

THANK YOU Chacon!!!!!

[CP to LC =TD]

Chacon did a good job!!!

[dwalsh]

I would've pitched Mariano for 2 innings. Only thing is he wasnt loose yet. In that case, i bring i bring in Beam to see what he has, then bring in Mariano instead of Proctor there. Proctor need the day off, and we have an off day tomorrow.


My prediction was close before, just the wrong position. Line drive caught be Chacon & thrown to first... DOUBLE PLAY, inning over

[AMJets]

Just tell me who you'd have Torre use instead of Proctor to pitch the 8th inning and I'll listen to you when you say Torre is an idiot who should be fired.

I think that this game is just about as great evidence as we're gonna get that the Yankees can't afford to lose yet another bullpen arm.

Farnsworth didn't pitch yesterday. Proctor pitched two innings yesterday. Farnsworth is a better pitcher than Proctor.

It's almost TOO simple.

Could've also gone to Mariano if he really wanted to.

[Boss Revis]

Just tell me who you'd have Torre use instead of Proctor to pitch the 8th inning and I'll listen to you when you say Torre is an idiot who should be fired.

I think that this game is just about as great evidence as we're gonna get that the Yankees can't afford to lose yet another bullpen arm.

Well, first of all, I'd go with Mariano for 2.

Second, if Proctor was gunna warm up, you mind as well have him start the inning since TJ Beam stinks.

Or, you could go with Chacon, who also stinks, but is better than Beam.

[The Dark Knight]

Chacon for 2006 Yankees MVP!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

[AlioTheFool]

I would have put Proctor in to start the inning. That was a fluke hit. Right back up the middle. But with runners in scoring position, that's instant RBI.

You try not to use Mariano if you can avoid the two inning stints. He isn't built to do it too many times, and he's done it a few times this year already.

[10nyjets87]

who the hell is this pitcher and where did he get these numbers?!

[AMJets]

The funniest thing about this all is that Torre said on the pre-game that Proctor was not available to pitch tonight. Farnsworth had last night off, and Proctor pitched two innings... so who does Joe go to?

It's really hysterical if you can get past all the pain knowing that this dumb fuck is the manager.

[AlioTheFool]

Derek is THE MAN!

[The Dark Knight]

Base Hit Captain!

[Boss Revis]

Farnsworth didn't pitch yesterday. Proctor pitched two innings yesterday. Farnsworth is a better pitcher than Proctor.

It's almost TOO simple.

Could've also gone to Mariano if he really wanted to.

Farnsworth got hurt, that started this whole mess.

[AMJets]

Come on Jason, bail out your clueless, jackass manager.

[kinghenry89]

Farnsworth didn't pitch yesterday. Proctor pitched two innings yesterday. Farnsworth is a better pitcher than Proctor.

It's almost TOO simple.

Could've also gone to Mariano if he really wanted to.
Well dwalsh posted on page 3 that Farnsworth is injured--I can't verify that one way or another because I'm neither watching nor listening to the game (I'm keeping an eye on it through the ESPN Gamecast and this thread.) If that's true though Torre's hands were tied.

He tried to get some innings out of Beam (the guy who you were saying was just as good as Proctor about 2 pages ago) and when he failed he brought in his only reliable arm available from the pen. Maybe he should've gone with Rivera, but then he would've just been trashed for overworking Mo.

BTW if Chacon can throw strikes out of the pen it could be huge for us.

[AMJets]

Thank you.

[AlioTheFool]

Hell Yeah!!!!

[10nyjets87]

hell of a game

[CP to LC =TD]

Giambi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[dwalsh]

GIAMBINO!!!!!!!!!!
woooooooo

[10nyjets87]

awsome.... just beautiful

[AlioTheFool]

He ripped that ball.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Oh,heres the game thread! Giambino!!!

[The Dark Knight]

Giambi is due, so thats good.
Hell yes!!!!! Giambi is the man!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

Hey, its nice to be right every once in awhile.

[kinghenry89]

:) I tell ya what, seeing the little ESPN Gamecast animated baseball fly over Mark DeRosa's name is almost as gratifying as seeing the real thing.

[dwalsh]

the reason i said Farnsworth is injured is because he got up to warm up, but then stopped and was no where to be found in the bullpen. The only explanation is taht something was bothering him and he couldnt pitch tonight

[AMJets]

Well dwalsh posted on page 3 that Farnsworth is injured--I can't verify that one way or another because I'm neither watching nor listening to the game (I'm keeping an eye on it through the ESPN Gamecast and this thread.) If that's true though Torre's hands were tied.

He tried to get some innings out of Beam (the guy who you were saying was just as good as Proctor about 2 pages ago) and when he failed he brought in his only reliable arm available from the pen. Maybe he should've gone with Rivera, but then he would've just been trashed for overworking Mo.

BTW if Chacon can throw strikes out of the pen it could be huge for us.

If Farnsworth is hurt, that's different, but he still should use Rivera for 2 innings before he uses Proctor again. Then again, he's killed Proctor's arm once this year, and he's done it again.

[dwalsh]

He better fucking bring in Mariano for the 9th

[AlioTheFool]

It's Mo time!

[kinghenry89]

If Farnsworth is hurt, that's different, but he still should use Rivera for 2 innings before he uses Proctor again. Then again, he's killed Proctor's arm once this year, and he's done it again.
Well by your logic Beam is as good as Proctor anyway, so why not use him and save Rivera for the 9th???

[10nyjets87]

i hate this espn announcer.

[JetsVilma28]

Giambi!!!!!!

[AlioTheFool]

Oh that Jorge walkoff was classic!

[10nyjets87]

:) I tell ya what, seeing the little ESPN Gamecast animated baseball fly over Mark DeRosa's name is almost as gratifying as seeing the real thing.
turn on espn... the game is on :wink:

[AlioTheFool]

i hate this espn announcer.

The game is on YES also.

[Boss Revis]

Mariano for 2 innings was by far the best way to go.

Joe just got a huge break because of Chacon turning into god for 3 minutes and Mariano could get everyone off the hook.

[dwalsh]

Tuck you in, warm within
Keep you free from sin
Till the sandman he comes

Sleep with one eye open
Gripping your pillow tight

Exit light
Enter night
Take my hand
Off to never never land

... Enter Sandman

[AlioTheFool]

Now...Let's go MO!

[AMJets]

Well by your logic Beam is as good as Proctor anyway, so why not use him and save Rivera for the 9th???

I would have, but your point was that I would've complained for him overworking Rivera, but I'm saying I'd rather have Rivera out there for 2 than use Proctor again. Rivera should have been in to bail out Beam, not Proctor.

[kinghenry89]

turn on espn... the game is on :wink:
Trust me, I would if I could. My TV is currently tuned to "Project Runway" :mad:

If it wasn't, why would I be on my computer???

[AlioTheFool]

Trust me, I would if I could. My TV is currently tuned to "Project Runway" :mad:

If it wasn't, why would I be on my computer???

That sux. Get Time Warner DTV. It has built in Picture-in-Picture.

[dwalsh]

2 outs away

[AlioTheFool]

Look at Bowa "Nobody listens to me!" Waa waa waa....

[kinghenry89]

I would have, but your point was that I would've complained for him overworking Rivera, but I'm saying I'd rather have Rivera out there for 2 than use Proctor again. Rivera should have been in to bail out Beam, not Proctor.
There I really disagree with you, because the only thing worse than overusing Rivera by giving him a 2 inning save is bringing him in to get 3 stressful outs in the 8th before he gets to the 9th.

[AlioTheFool]

Boooyaaaaah!

[dwalsh]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

2 gone

[dwalsh]

just a little single, no big... 1 out away

[AMJets]

There I really disagree with you, because the only thing worse than overusing Rivera by giving him a 2 inning save is bringing him in to get 3 stressful outs in the 8th before he gets to the 9th.

Then Beam should stay in, or you bring in Chacon there and cross your fingers. No way Proctor should be used under any circumstance.

[kinghenry89]

Then Beam should stay in, or you bring in Chacon there and cross your fingers. No way Proctor should be used under any circumstance.
That I agree with. Still, I think that Torre brought in Proctor in a vain attempt to save the game and it backfired. It was a bad move but not on the level that you guys are flipping out about it.

[AMJets]

That I agree with. Still, I think that Torre brought in Proctor in a vain attempt to save the game and it backfired. It was a bad move but not on the level that you guys are flipping out about it.

We're only flipping out about it because "bad move" is Joe's middle name.

[AlioTheFool]

That I agree with. Still, I think that Torre brought in Proctor in a vain attempt to save the game and it backfired. It was a bad move but not on the level that you guys are flipping out about it.

I'm not flipping out. I would have rather seen Proctor start the 8th in the first place.

[CP to LC =TD]

Yankees Win Bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlioTheFool]

Yes! SWEEP!

[dwalsh]

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[AlioTheFool]

We have the lead in the WC race, and now what only one game behind Boston?

[Mantana Soss]

1.5 games.. moving up

[JetsVilma28]

wow, my blood pressure is thorough the roof tonight....good game though.

[The Dark Knight]

Wow. :beer:

[typeOnegative13NY]

Wow. When Tex had the lead and had bases loaded,i never thought we'd pull this one off. Way to keep fighting!

[AlioTheFool]

This game really supports the argument against bringing in another position player instead of a pitcher.

[myfavoritecmart]

Great, great series to get us back on track. For a second there I thought they were slipping.

[jaywayne12]

What an incredible game...and Im officially taking back the "you cant expect Melky Cabrera to continue to do what he has done" comments I have made in the past.

If Im the Yanks...just sit tight and let the chips fall where they may...this kid has got some set of balls on him for a 21 year old...after failing so miserably last year.

SIDE NOTE: Is it me...or is anyone else really liking Larry Bowa coaching 3rd base and being part of the Yanks this year...what a little piece of dynamite he is...good addition to a conservative team.

[AlioTheFool]

What an incredible game...and Im officially taking back the "you cant expect Melky Cabrera to continue to do what he has done" comments I have made in the past.

If Im the Yanks...just sit tight and let the chips fall where they may...this kid has got some set of balls on him for a 21 year old...after failing so miserably last year.

SIDE NOTE: Is it me...or is anyone else really liking Larry Bowa coaching 3rd base and being part of the Yanks this year...what a little piece of dynamite he is...good addition to a conservative team.

I've been saying all along Melky is super-talented. And yes, he has balls of steel. He didn't really fail miserably last year. He just had that horrible game at Fenway, and it hurt his confidence. He'll be just fine. He should be going nowhere.

I can't stand Larry Bowa.

[AMJets]

This game really supports the argument against bringing in another position player instead of a pitcher.

Cairo was 0-3 and Proctor was terrible, so if anything, it helps the argument that Proctor for Betemit is an absolute, no question about it steal for the Yankees.

[JETSFAN5180]

sal fasano looks like a hairier rick cerrone and bowa will replace torre when all is said and done. melky is doing his job all we can ask for.

[MisterMoss]

What an incredible game...and Im officially taking back the "you cant expect Melky Cabrera to continue to do what he has done" comments I have made in the past.

If Im the Yanks...just sit tight and let the chips fall where they may...this kid has got some set of balls on him for a 21 year old...after failing so miserably last year.

SIDE NOTE: Is it me...or is anyone else really liking Larry Bowa coaching 3rd base and being part of the Yanks this year...what a little piece of dynamite he is...good addition to a conservative team.
I agree on all counts. Melky is one of my favorite players. He's the greatest. And I love Bowa. I'd support him to be our manager if we couldn't get our hands on Piniella. :)

[JETSFAN5180]

melky is a great name for a major league baseball player.

[AlioTheFool]

Well, without Cano in the lineup, I am fine with Cairo just for his defense.

As for Proctor, let's say for arguments sake that Sturtze was healthy all year. I think Proctor pitches much fewer innings, and is just fine at this point. Instead, Torre puts in Myers for one lefty, pulls Farnsworth after he gives up a base hit, and does things like let Beam blow a tight lead. Of course Proctor is going to fail once in a while.

Torre makes the opposite mistake with pitchers that he does with positional players. He sits guys like Crosby, and they stagnate, then people complain they don't perform. Well let them try to hit a 90mph fastball after sitting around doing nothing for 3 or 4 days. On the other hand, he throws in pitchers like they are trading cards. An arm can only take so much work before it needs surgery.

[AlioTheFool]

I don't want Pinella or Bowa as the manager.

Mattingly is my heir-apparent right now. I would much rather have had Girardi, but you take what you can get.

[JETSFAN5180]

I don't want Pinella or Bowa as the manager.

Mattingly is my heir-apparent right now. I would much rather have had Girardi, but you take what you can get.

Mattingly actually WON nothing as a Yankee player so what makes you think he would win as a manager?

[JETSFAN5180]

Reggie Jackson is a Steinbrenner favorite dont count him out as a future manger.

[AMJets]

Mattingly actually WON nothing as a Yankee player so what makes you think he would win as a manager?

Not that I like him, but Torre had never even been to a WS before he came to the Yankees. That's not really a smart way to do business, basing the decision on their championship record as a player.

[jaywayne12]

I've been saying all along Melky is super-talented. And yes, he has balls of steel. He didn't really fail miserably last year. He just had that horrible game at Fenway, and it hurt his confidence. He'll be just fine. He should be going nowhere.

I can't stand Larry Bowa.

I could be wrong but I believe it was much more than the Fenway game....just remember him making several mistakes in the field..and not hitting at all.

I hated Bowa too...but this guy is in to the game..really does a hell of a job coaching 3rd base...saw him in the dugout getting pissed off trying to move an outfielder...a nice change from the usual snoring that goes on inside that dugout.

[King Koopa]

I could be wrong but I believe it was much more than the Fenway game....just remember him making several mistakes in the field..and not hitting at all.

I hated Bowa too...but this guy is in to the game..really does a hell of a job coaching 3rd base...saw him in the dugout getting pissed off trying to move an outfielder...a nice change from the usual snoring that goes on inside that dugout.

i agree completely...bowa is a very good addition because of his fiery attitude, almost like donnie henderson when he came to the jets

btw, i still say do the proctor trade

[AMJets]

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BOMBERS JUST WON'T
GAMBLE WITH PROCTOR
By GEORGE KING

July 27, 2006 -- ARLINGTON - He doesn't have Philip Hughes' future. His past suggests journeyman. But it's Scott Proctor's present that has quickly carried him into the rarefied place in the Yankees' organization: untouchable.

Yesterday, the Yankees were informed by the Braves that a deal for infielder Wilson Betemit wouldn't get done unless the Yankees included Proctor. Unwilling to remove Proctor from their bullpen, the Yankees run the risk of watching the switch-hitting Betemit, a player many evaluators say has a bright future and one who could help bolster the Yankees' lineup, land elsewhere.

I've been a big Cashman fan, but it's alarming if this is true, that he has deemed Proctor "untouchable". It's almost unfathomable to me how he wouldn't jump all over the steal that is Proctor-for-Betemit. Hopefully he'll come to his senses ASAP.

[AlioTheFool]

Cabrera was only here for 6 games last year. That bad game in Boston is what got him sent down. Thankfully, it didn't ruin his confidence.

A WS is no barometer for success as a manager. A good coach is a good coach. Mattingly is one of the smartest players to put on a Yankee uniform. It wasn't his fault George & Co. ignored pitching his whole career. Look at what he has done with the Yankees since coming back as a hitting coach. He is credited with resurrecting Giambi's career. He has been getting the young guys to have patience at the plate, including Cano and Cabrera. From everything that has been said, he is as beloved in the dugout as he once was on the field.

I don't like the job Bowa has done at third. I think he has improved from early in the season (remember him stopping EVERYONE at third?) That doesn't impress me a lot though. Seeing him last night whining in the dugout to Torre that "nobody listens to me!" while trying to shift players was just sad. He is far from my first pick for the next coach. Hell, I would keep Torre for 4 more years before I promoted Bowa, and I want Torre gone yesterday.

As far as Proctor, 10P10, you have to understand, as much as you feel it would be a steal, and you are probably right, it doesn't make good sense for the team. Who would fill in the middle relief spot? You can have all the bats in the world, but if you can't pitch through the first 8, you will never get to Mo. Not that Torre likes to let any starter throw 7 or more, but our pitching staff is not making it that far anyway. Wang probably can do it the most consistently. Johnson and Moose are not kids, and Wright is lucky to make it through the 6th. We need arms in the pen to bridge the gap. Proctor is the only guy who can consistently do it for us. (As I have said, I like Vallone, and he has been very impressive, but he throws too hard, and as much as he is used, his arm will be hanging by a thread off his shoulder by mid-September.)

[AMJets]

\As far as Proctor, 10P10, you have to understand, as much as you feel it would be a steal, and you are probably right, it doesn't make good sense for the team. Who would fill in the middle relief spot? You can have all the bats in the world, but if you can't pitch through the first 8, you will never get to Mo. Not that Torre likes to let any starter throw 7 or more, but our pitching staff is not making it that far anyway. Wang probably can do it the most consistently. Johnson and Moose are not kids, and Wright is lucky to make it through the 6th. We need arms in the pen to bridge the gap. Proctor is the only guy who can consistently do it for us. (As I have said, I like Vallone, and he has been very impressive, but he throws too hard, and as much as he is used, his arm will be hanging by a thread off his shoulder by mid-September.)

If Proctor was any good, I would agree. But he's not.

[nyjunc]

sal fasano looks like a hairier rick cerrone and bowa will replace torre when all is said and done. melky is doing his job all we can ask for.

I think w/ the mustache he looks like Joe benigno

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[AlioTheFool]

If Proctor was any good, I would agree. But he's not.

I hear what you're saying. I don't totally agree though. I think Proctor is pretty good. He is just used too often out of necessity. Put another quality middle relief guy in the pen, and I think Proctor is just fine. The point is, it doesn't matter how good he is, we need him. Hopefully Chacon can take last night forward. That would give us the one-two punch, along with Vallone we desperately need to protect Proctor for the late part of the year.

Dotel is never coming. I firmly believe that at this point. We need whoever can get the ball over the plate for a couple of innings we can get at this point. Right now, we need to concentrate on needs. We need pitching, not hitting. Like him or loathe him, Proctor is the best we have.

[kinghenry89]

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I've been a big Cashman fan, but it's alarming if this is true, that he has deemed Proctor "untouchable". It's almost unfathomable to me how he wouldn't jump all over the steal that is Proctor-for-Betemit. Hopefully he'll come to his senses ASAP.
Proctor is "untouchable" because, as last night's game illustrated in a painfully obvious manner, TJ Beam isn't ready for big innings right now. Especially with Farnsworth injured, we just can't give away Proctor.

I have a feeling if Atlanta were willing to expand the deal to give up Sosa or Ray that Proctor would become very touchable, very fast.

[ButtleMan]

Proctor is "untouchable" because, as last night's game illustrated in a painfully obvious manner, TJ Beam isn't ready for big innings right now. Especially with Farnsworth injured, we just can't give away Proctor.

I have a feeling if Atlanta were willing to expand the deal to give up Sosa or Ray that Proctor would become very touchable, very fast.

With Proctor having gone 2 innings the prior night and Farns out, it was the absolute right spot to use Beam and see what he has.
I would of rather seen Villone but he was needed to bail Wright out earlier.
My only issue with using Beam in that situation is that I dont know when the last time he did pitch. If it was his usual 5-6 days ago then it his performance was understandable.
You guys have to remember but Proctor was brought along the same exact way.

[ButtleMan]

Proctor is "untouchable" because, as last night's game illustrated in a painfully obvious manner, TJ Beam isn't ready for big innings right now. Especially with Farnsworth injured, we just can't give away Proctor.

I have a feeling if Atlanta were willing to expand the deal to give up Sosa or Ray that Proctor would become very touchable, very fast.

I dont want Sosa anywhere near pinstripes.

[AlioTheFool]

Buttle, I love that avatar!

[ButtleMan]

Buttle, I love that avatar!


Thank you but the credit has to go to Green Machine. He made it.
It might be short lived since training camp is starting and it just might be time for my old one to make a return.

[nyscene911]

Does the trade me that Fasano has to shave the 'stache and muttonchops?

[ButtleMan]

Does the trade me that Fasano has to shave the 'stache and muttonchops?

They said that he got a haircut and trimmed the stache before he got to the stadium last night.

[MisterMoss]

fasano still have his stache yesterday. he shaved the rest of his face, but did nothing to the mustache

[nyscene911]

They said that he got a haircut and trimmed the stache before he got to the stadium last night.
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