New 3 RD Mock

[Jabba the Jet]

**CHANGE OF PLANS**

I no longer have the Jets trading up to #1 ... I have them dealing Abe to Denver for the 22nd Overall Pick

THIS IS MY UPDATED MOCK FOR DRAFT DADDY ... Minus the Abe trade because I cannot project trades in the website mock, but you'll know this is my rationalization for the selection at #4 Overall

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ROUND ONE
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01. Hou Texans ~ RB Reggie Bush, USC
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02. N.O. Saints ~ QB Matt Leinart, USC
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03. Tenn Titans ~ QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
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04. N.Y. Jets ~ DE Mario Williams, NC State
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05. G.B. Packers ~ OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio State
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06. S.F. 49ers ~ OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
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07. Oak Raiders ~ TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
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08. Buff Bills ~ QB Vince Young, Texas
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09. Det Lions ~ OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
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10. Ariz Cardinals ~ RB LenDale White, USC
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11. STL Rams ~ DB Michael Huff, Texas
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12. Clev Browns ~ NT Haloti Ngata, Oregon
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13. Balt Ravens ~ RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
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14. Phil Eagles ~ DE Tamba Hali, Penn State
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15. Atl Falcons ~ DB Jimmy Williams, VaTech
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16. Mia Dolphins ~ DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
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17. Minn Vikings ~ OLB Manny Lawson, NC State
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18. Dal Cowboys ~ OT Marcus McNeill, Auburn
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19. S.D. Chargers ~ OT Winston Justice, USC
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20. K.C. Chiefs ~ DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
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21. N.E. Patriots ~ CB Tye Hill, Clemson
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22. N.Y. Jets {Via Den} ~ OT Eric Winston, Miami {I have Chad Jackson to Denver at DD}
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23. T.B. Bucs ~ WR Chad Jackson, Florida {I have Eric Winston to Tampa at DD}
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24. Cinn Bengals ~ DT Rod Wright, Texas
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25. N.Y. Giants ~ OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State
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26. Chi Bears ~ TE Leonard Pope, Georgia
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27. Car Panthers ~ WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio State
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28. Jax Jaguars ~ CB Ashton Youboty, Ohio State
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29. Den Broncos ~ DE Mathias Kiwanuka, BC {because I'm not projecting the Abe trade at DD}
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30. Indy Colts ~ RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
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31. Sea Seahawks ~ OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
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32. Pitt Steelers ~ OT Jonathan Scott, Texas
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ROUND TWO
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33. Hou Texans ~ OG Max Jean Gillies, Georgia
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34. N.O. Saints ~ OLB Demeco Ryans, Alabama
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35. N.Y. Jets ~ C/G Nick Mangold, Ohio State
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36. G.B. Packers ~ LB D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
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37. Oak Raiders ~ CB Antonio Cromartie, Florida State
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38. S.F. 49ers ~ OLB Ernie Sims, Florida State
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39. Tenn Titans ~ ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
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40. Det Lions ~ S Ko Simpson, South Carolina
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41. Ariz Cardinals ~ DT Claude Wroten, LSU
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42. Buff Bills ~ TE Dominique Byrd, USC
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43. Clev Browns ~ CB Cedric Griffin, Texas
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44. Balt Ravens ~ OG Charles Spencer, Pittsburgh
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45. Phil Eagles ~ WR Sinorice Moss, Miami
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46. STL Rams ~ TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
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47. Atl Falcons ~ T/G Ryan O'Callaghan, California
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48. Minn Vikings ~ RB Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin
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49. Dal Cowboys ~ CB Alan Zemaitis, Penn State
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50. S.D. Chargers ~ WR Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
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51. Mia Dolphins ~ G/T Davin Joseph, Oklahoma
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52. N.E. Patriots ~ S Greg Blue, Georgia
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53. Wash Redskins ~ DE Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
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54. K.C. Chiefs ~ CB Jonathan Joseph, South Carolina
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55. Cinn Bengals ~ DE Daryl Tapp, VaTech
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56. N.Y. Giants ~ CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
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57. Chi Bears ~ OT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
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58. Car Panthers ~ OG Deuce Lutui, USC
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59. T.B. Bucs ~ CB/RM Devin Hester, Miami
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60. Jax Jaguars ~ RB Joseph Addai, LSU
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61. Den Broncos ~ S Donte Whitner, Ohio State
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62. Indy Colts ~ OG Mark Setterstrom, Minnesota
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63. Sea Seahawks ~ OG Fred Matua, USC
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64. Pitt Steelers ~ CB Richard Marshall, Fresno State
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ROUND THREE
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65. Hou Texans ~ CB Charles Gordan, Kansas
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66. Hou Texans ~ OT Daryn Colledge, Boise State
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67. G.B. Packers ~ DT Kyle Williams, LSU
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68. S.F. 49ers ~ CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
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69. Oak Raiders ~ S Jason Allen, Tennessee
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70. Buff Bills ~ DT John McCargo, NC State
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71. N.Y. Jets ~ QB Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson
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72. Ariz Cardinals ~ LB Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech
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73. Buff Bills ~ WR Derek Hagan, Arizona State
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74. Det Lions ~ DE Parys Haralson, Tennessee
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75. N.E. Patriots ~ DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
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76. Phil Eagles ~ WR Mike Hass, Oregon State
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77. STL Rams ~ ILB Kai Parham, Virginia
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78. Clev Browns ~ DE Ray Edwards, Purdue
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79. Atl Falcons ~ DE Victor Adeyanju, Indiana
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80. Dal Cowboys ~ WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
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81. S.D. Chargers ~ S Darnell Bing, USC
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82. Mia Dolphins ~ QB Brodie Croyle, Alabama
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83. Minn Vikings ~ TE Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame
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84. Wash Redskins ~ DT Jesse Maholena, Tennessee
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85. K.C. Chiefs ~ QB Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green
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86. N.E. Patriots ~ RB Jerome Harrison, Wash State
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87. N.Y. Giants ~ DT Orien Harris, Miami
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88. Chi Bears ~ WR Martin Nance, Miami of Ohio
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89. Car Panthers ~ S Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
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90. T.B. Bucs ~ C/G Ryan Cook, New Mexico
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91. Cinn Bengals ~ OG Kevin Booth, Cornell
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92. Jax Jaguars ~ TE Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado
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93. Den Broncos ~ C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
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94. Indy Colts ~ DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
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95. Sea Seahawks ~ RB Maurice Drew, UCLA
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96. Pitt Steelers ~ WR Greg Lee, Pittsburgh
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ROUND FOUR
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102. NY Jets ~ DT Johnny Jolly, Texas A&M
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116. NY Jets {Via KC} ~ WR Marques Colston, Hofstra
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[Arizona Jet Fan]

We have so many holes to fill....Mangini is like Belichick....they will trade down not up.....

[MSUJet85]

I like every pick except passing on Mangold, I'd would be nice to have Mawae work with the future center

[Wolfe Tone]

Yeh i would like Mangold in there as well, and then swap a 3rd round linemen for a QB

[Jabba the Jet]

Yeh i would like Mangold in there as well, and then swap a 3rd round linemen for a QB
Good idea, tex ... I took your advice and did the edit :wink:

[Phyr]

Bills have a year or two before they give up on LOSEman

[Wolfe Tone]

Good idea, tex ... I took your advice and did the edit :wink:

Beautiful, I really wish you could be sitting on Tannenbaums shoulder in the draft. That would be perfect.

[SOWELLisGOD]

Bills have a year or two before they give up on LOSEman

agreed, but those are gonna be a long few years, they better hold onto holcomb
:bills_suck: :buffaloblows: :bills_suck: :buffaloblows: :bills_suck:

and also come post on the "bullshit/1 million thread" thread

[PennyandtheJets]

We would have to give up so much more to get the #1 pick and I would prefer Matt Leinart at that pick.

[MSUJet85]

If we get this draft, I will be one happy Jets fan

[WW85]

Nice Job! Although, as I stated in another thread, if Mangold is available in Rd 2 for the Saints at #34 he's going to NO.Losing Bentley, would be a no-brainer taking Mangold 1pick before the Jets.

[Jabba the Jet]

Nice Job! Although, as I stated in another thread, if Mangold is available in Rd 2 for the Saints at #34 he's going to NO.Losing Bentley, would be a no-brainer taking Mangold 1pick before the Jets.
Not so fast, WW85 ... You better take a peek at the Saints linebacking core ... you'd be hard pressed to find a more pathetic group anywhere in the league ... and Thomas Howard is an outstanding prospect, as is D'Qwell Jackson ... I'm definitely figuring the Saints for an LB in RD 2 ... they almost have to take advantage of the Quality LB's who figure to be on the board in that spot

Here are the Saints linebackers as we speak ...

OLB's - Terrence Melton, Allen James, Colby Bockwoldt, Sedrick Hodge, Rabe Russell and TJ Slaughter
ILB's - Courtney Watson, Ronald McKinnon and Alfred Fincher

See what I mean? :ohmy:

I'm not sure if they have one linebacker who can start for 90% of the teams in the NFL :rolleyes:

[WW85]

Not so fast, WW85 ... You better take a peek at the Saints linebacking core ... you'd be hard pressed to find a more pathetic group anywhere in the league ... and Thomas Howard is an outstanding prospect, as is D'Qwell Jackson ... I'm definitely figuring the Saints for an LB in RD 2 ... they almost have to take advantage of the Quality LB's who figure to be on the board in that spot

Here are the Saints linebackers as we speak ...

OLB's - Terrence Melton, Allen James, Colby Bockwoldt, Sedrick Hodge, Rabe Russell and TJ Slaughter
ILB's - Courtney Watson, Ronald McKinnon and Alfred Fincher

See what I mean? :ohmy:

I'm not sure if they have one linebacker who can start for 90% of the teams in the NFL :rolleyes:

Jabba....I believe we both have valid points for both positions.

I understand your concern for the lack of playmakers in the Saint's linebacker corp. I really like Fincher, he will be a a very good player if given the opportunity to start, the rest of the group is either a bunch of retreads from other teams or inexperienced players. Thomas Howard may not last to rd 2...it's a 50/50 chance. The Saints have made their bed and they have to sleep in it, they have been ignoring beefing up their linebackers for years. The Saints back 7 has been one of the worst in the NFL for quite a while. While I agree the Saints need to address their back seven, center is a huge question mark also.

My point was after Bentley leaves, the Saints have nada at Center. To pass up a player like Mangold to work with a new QB (Leinart) would be a questionable move. Mangold would be the BPA for a major need.

[Jabba the Jet]

I Just edited the mock

I no longer have the Jets trading up to #1 Overall ... I have them dealing Abe to Denver for the 22nd Overall Pick

[Rambo13]

Finally something we can agree on :up:

[MikeSLTJ23]

Would you really pick Whitehurst over Croyle? I don't mean that to sound like a challenge. I'm just asking.

[CMartinJET]

Jabba grea mock draft except the Whitehurst pick i'm not sure I go QB in round 3.

[CMartinJET]

I think you can wait till day 2 say round 4 or 5 to get someone like a Kellen Clemmons or a Brett Basanez. I would have gone Victor Adeyanju in the 3rd Mangold in the second and D'Brick in the first. As for the trade to Broncos a realistic idea and I would shoot for a Gilles in that spot. Dark horse would be Chad Jackson but i think you have to go o line because it's in shambles and needs stability.

[dbatesman]

Jabba grea mock draft except the Whitehurst pick i'm not sure I go QB in round 3.

I would if Croyle was available...and if he was, I definitely wouldn't take Whitehurst. Other than that, nice-looking mock, especially with the edit so we get Mangold.

[Gubernaculum]

I'd love this draft Jabba- inside, I would love to have Super Mario on the line. Sure, Abe was a great pass rusher but his run defense was average at best. The fact that we can grab Winston that late in the 1st round is highway robbery. If we then grab Mangold in the 2nd, I would be ecstatic. Only thing I might do different is take good old #12 from Bama instead of Whitehurst. I just do not like Whitehurst's decision-making ability.

What a draft day

[1028]

Jabba you have quite a few questionable picks in that mock? Brick to SF after they picking up Jonas Jennings in FA last year? Oakland going with offense? Buffalo taking another QB after they traded up for Losman only a few years ago? Rod Wright in the 1st round? McNeill over Justice? Very debatable...its your opinion but I find it very unlikely to happen

Also Im not so sure that super Mario would have the same impact at 3-4 DE that he would at 4-3 end. So IMO that might not be the direction to go in. I would like to trade down and grab either a RB or QB this year, and the other position next year. If possible Id like to fit in Vernon Davis somewhere, but Im not holding my breath

[Jabba the Jet]

Jabba you have quite a few questionable picks in that mock? Brick to SF after they picking up Jonas Jennings in FA last year? Oakland going with offense? Buffalo taking another QB after they traded up for Losman only a few years ago? Rod Wright in the 1st round? McNeill over Justice? Very debatable...its your opinion but I find it very unlikely to happen
It's not all about need, 1028 ... especially at the top of the board ... value plays a huge roll as well

GM's will often opt for a lesser need if it's better value ... not a complete NON NEED, but a lesser need at Greater value ... that was the idea behind Brick to the niners, Davis to the Raiders, and Young to the Bills {I don't love Young, but folks seems to believe he would be a value pick at 8, and let's be honest, Loseman sucks} ... as for McNeill and Justice, close call, that's why I have them back-to-back, but I like McNeill a tad more because of his size ... heck of a tackle and massive

[1028]

It's not all about need, 1028 ... especially at the top of the board ... value plays a huge roll as well

GM's will often opt for a lesser need if it's better value ... not a complete NON NEED, but a lesser need at Greater value ... that was the idea behind Brick to the niners, Davis to the Raiders, and Young to the Bills {I don't love Young, but folks seems to believe he would be a value pick at 8, and let's be honest, Loseman sucks} ... as for McNeill and Justice, close call, that's why I have them back-to-back, but I like McNeill a tad more because of his size ... heck of a tackle and massive

But the niners have no need at LT- they signed Jennings, just as the Bills dont need Young, for they have Losman. Lets be honest, they arent gonna give up on him that quickly. They paid a pretty penny for him, and not to let him rock the bench. Davis to the Raiders is more reasonable, its not a need, but its BPA. Regardless I think itd be a bad move on their part. But hey its the Raiders, so its not out of the realm of possibility. As for McNeill and Justice, of the two, Id much rather have Justice, but I can see where you're going

[Jabba the Jet]

But the niners have no need at LT- they signed Jennings, just as the Bills dont need Young, for they have Losman. Lets be honest, they arent gonna give up on him that quickly. They paid a pretty penny for him, and not to let him rock the bench. Davis to the Raiders is more reasonable, its not a need, but its BPA. Regardless I think itd be a bad move on their part. But hey its the Raiders, so its not out of the realm of possibility. As for McNeill and Justice, of the two, Id much rather have Justice, but I can see where you're going
Jonas Jennings is JAG ... Just Another Guy ... you don't pass on a franchise LT who is the BAP because you already have JAG ... you draft Brick and move Jennings to RT

As for Loseman, IMO having Loseman is like having no QB at all ... he's horrendous ... Eric Moulds was a good soldier in Buffalo for years, but he fell out of favor when he all but begged the HC to bench LOSER-MAN and start Holcolmb ... if it's me, it's time to cut bait with Loseman if I can draft a QB ... I don't need to waste another year or two because I already know he's a bust ... it's just prolonging the inevitable

But you're probably right ... they'll probably stick with Loseman ... and as a Jet fan that makes me happy :grin:

[CT. Jets Fan]

**CHANGE OF PLANS**

I no longer have the Jets trading up to #1 ... I have them dealing Abe to Denver for the 22nd Overall Pick

THIS IS MY UPDATED MOCK FOR DRAFT DADDY ... Minus the Abe trade because I cannot project trades in the website mock, but you'll know this is my rationalization for the selection at #4 Overall

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ROUND ONE
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01. Hou Texans ~ RB Reggie Bush, USC
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02. N.O. Saints ~ QB Matt Leinart, USC
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03. Tenn Titans ~ QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
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04. N.Y. Jets ~ DE Mario Williams, NC State
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05. G.B. Packers ~ OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio State
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06. S.F. 49ers ~ OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
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07. Oak Raiders ~ TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
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08. Buff Bills ~ QB Vince Young, Texas
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09. Det Lions ~ OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
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10. Ariz Cardinals ~ RB LenDale White, USC
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11. STL Rams ~ DB Michael Huff, Texas
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12. Clev Browns ~ NT Haloti Ngata, Oregon
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13. Balt Ravens ~ RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
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14. Phil Eagles ~ DE Tamba Hali, Penn State
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15. Atl Falcons ~ DB Jimmy Williams, VaTech
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16. Mia Dolphins ~ DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
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17. Minn Vikings ~ OLB Manny Lawson, NC State
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18. Dal Cowboys ~ OT Marcus McNeill, Auburn
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19. S.D. Chargers ~ OT Winston Justice, USC
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20. K.C. Chiefs ~ DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
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21. N.E. Patriots ~ CB Tye Hill, Clemson
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22. N.Y. Jets {Via Den} ~ OT Eric Winston, Miami {I have Chad Jackson to Denver at DD}
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23. T.B. Bucs ~ WR Chad Jackson, Florida {I have Eric Winston to Tampa at DD}
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24. Cinn Bengals ~ DT Rod Wright, Texas
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25. N.Y. Giants ~ OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State
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26. Chi Bears ~ TE Leonard Pope, Georgia
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27. Car Panthers ~ WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio State
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28. Jax Jaguars ~ CB Ashton Youboty, Ohio State
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29. Den Broncos ~ DE Mathias Kiwanuka, BC {because I'm not projecting the Abe trade at DD}
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30. Indy Colts ~ RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
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31. Sea Seahawks ~ OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
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32. Pitt Steelers ~ OT Jonathan Scott, Texas
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ROUND TWO
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33. Hou Texans ~ OG Max Jean Gillies, Georgia
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34. N.O. Saints ~ OLB Demeco Ryans, Alabama
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35. N.Y. Jets ~ C/G Nick Mangold, Ohio State
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36. G.B. Packers ~ LB D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
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37. Oak Raiders ~ CB Antonio Cromartie, Florida State
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38. S.F. 49ers ~ OLB Ernie Sims, Florida State
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39. Tenn Titans ~ ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
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40. Det Lions ~ S Ko Simpson, South Carolina
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41. Ariz Cardinals ~ DT Claude Wroten, LSU
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42. Buff Bills ~ TE Dominique Byrd, USC
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43. Clev Browns ~ CB Cedric Griffin, Texas
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44. Balt Ravens ~ OG Charles Spencer, Pittsburgh
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45. Phil Eagles ~ WR Sinorice Moss, Miami
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46. STL Rams ~ TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
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47. Atl Falcons ~ T/G Ryan O'Callaghan, California
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48. Minn Vikings ~ RB Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin
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49. Dal Cowboys ~ CB Alan Zemaitis, Penn State
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50. S.D. Chargers ~ WR Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
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51. Mia Dolphins ~ G/T Davin Joseph, Oklahoma
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52. N.E. Patriots ~ S Greg Blue, Georgia
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53. Wash Redskins ~ DE Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
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54. K.C. Chiefs ~ CB Jonathan Joseph, South Carolina
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55. Cinn Bengals ~ DE Daryl Tapp, VaTech
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56. N.Y. Giants ~ CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
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57. Chi Bears ~ OT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
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58. Car Panthers ~ OG Deuce Lutui, USC
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59. T.B. Bucs ~ CB/RM Devin Hester, Miami
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60. Jax Jaguars ~ RB Joseph Addai, LSU
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61. Den Broncos ~ S Donte Whitner, Ohio State
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62. Indy Colts ~ OG Mark Setterstrom, Minnesota
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63. Sea Seahawks ~ OG Fred Matua, USC
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64. Pitt Steelers ~ CB Richard Marshall, Fresno State
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ROUND THREE
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65. Hou Texans ~ CB Charles Gordan, Kansas
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66. Hou Texans ~ OT Daryn Colledge, Boise State
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67. G.B. Packers ~ DT Kyle Williams, LSU
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68. S.F. 49ers ~ CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
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69. Oak Raiders ~ S Jason Allen, Tennessee
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70. Buff Bills ~ DT John McCargo, NC State
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71. N.Y. Jets ~ QB Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson
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72. Ariz Cardinals ~ LB Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech
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73. Buff Bills ~ WR Derek Hagan, Arizona State
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74. Det Lions ~ DE Parys Haralson, Tennessee
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75. N.E. Patriots ~ DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
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76. Phil Eagles ~ WR Mike Hass, Oregon State
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77. STL Rams ~ ILB Kai Parham, Virginia
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78. Clev Browns ~ DE Ray Edwards, Purdue
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79. Atl Falcons ~ DE Victor Adeyanju, Indiana
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80. Dal Cowboys ~ WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
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81. S.D. Chargers ~ S Darnell Bing, USC
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82. Mia Dolphins ~ QB Brodie Croyle, Alabama
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83. Minn Vikings ~ TE Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame
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84. Wash Redskins ~ DT Jesse Maholena, Tennessee
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85. K.C. Chiefs ~ QB Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green
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86. N.E. Patriots ~ RB Jerome Harrison, Wash State
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87. N.Y. Giants ~ DT Orien Harris, Miami
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88. Chi Bears ~ WR Martin Nance, Miami of Ohio
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89. Car Panthers ~ S Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
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90. T.B. Bucs ~ C/G Ryan Cook, New Mexico
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91. Cinn Bengals ~ OG Kevin Booth, Cornell
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92. Jax Jaguars ~ TE Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado
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93. Den Broncos ~ C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
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94. Indy Colts ~ DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
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95. Sea Seahawks ~ RB Maurice Drew, UCLA
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96. Pitt Steelers ~ WR Greg Lee, Pittsburgh
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ROUND FOUR
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102. NY Jets ~ DT Johnny Jolly, Texas A&M
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116. NY Jets {Via KC} ~ WR Marques Colston, Hofstra
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Jolly as a 4th rounder..sounds about right.

Too bad last years Jolly wasnt obtained using a 4th round pick.

[James Hasty]

I like the mock but I think Cromatrie over Mangold would be a change I could live with.

[Barry the Baptist]

Jabba I really like your thinking, I really want to get an impact defensive player with that #4 pick. Williams and Hawk both can be those guys. Honestly I take Hawk over Williams but if we go Super Mario I'd be happy as well.

Going OL with the next 2 picks after getting our impact defensive player is the way to go. I love Mangold and if he is there when we pick in the 2nd we have to snatch him up.

Call me stupid but I think Whitehurst has better value than Croyle, I like Croyle as a college QB but honestly I don't see him as anything more than a backup or low end starter in the NFL. I don't picture him as a franchise QB then again neither do I see that in Whitehurst. I'm more content in waiting until day 2 and taking a guy like Jeff Mroz, Ingle Martin or Eric Meyer.

Not a bad draft at all, I've heard the kid from Hofstra is pretty solid at WR but do you like him more than Brandon Marshall...

[GreenGreek]

Jabba, what's your opinion on Addai? He's supposedly been impressing. If he's around that late in the 2nd round, should we consider moving up from our third round spot to grab him? Or if we lose Baker in FA, maybe Fasano is worth a look in Round 3? I believe if we don't grab a QB early, we might as well enter the Quinn or Simms sweepstakes next year and stick with Brooks, Ramsey or Chad on the bench.

I'd also lean towards trading down if Leinart and Cutler are gone. Mario Williams will be good, but we have many holes and if we switch to a 3-4, he may not be the best fit. I'd rather slide down and grab Lendale White, Ngata, or Jimmy Williams.

[Green Hurricane]

I was going to say the same thing as Rich did. I know in your last mock you had both Marshall and Colston as much later picks, if we were going to go WR in the 4th and bother were available then Marshall has an easy advantage. Colston has terrific speed, but he's about as raw as you could possible get, a lesser Ty Calico right now. Marshall has a thickness to him, just a notch lower in the speed category, and has dominated on the major college level. I don't think he falls out of the 3rd right now, but if he did then I'd easily take him over Colston.

[JETSFAN5180]

Pass on Vince Young if hes there NO WAY JOSE.

[Johnny4]

I like this except for the QB.

[PennyandtheJets]

Pass on Vince Young if hes there NO WAY JOSE.
Do you honestly think a Bill Bellichick deciphal will draft Vince Young?

[Jabba the Jet]

I was going to say the same thing as Rich did. I know in your last mock you had both Marshall and Colston as much later picks, if we were going to go WR in the 4th and bother were available then Marshall has an easy advantage. Colston has terrific speed, but he's about as raw as you could possible get, a lesser Ty Calico right now. Marshall has a thickness to him, just a notch lower in the speed category, and has dominated on the major college level. I don't think he falls out of the 3rd right now, but if he did then I'd easily take him over Colston.
I've been struggling with this one for weeks ... how to separate the two?

You Guys might be right ... Marshall could be the better of the two ... I've gone back and forth on this one for weeks, that's why I took both in my last mock :grin:

[LockDown24]

Good draft, but I'd rather have D'Brick with 4 and Kiwanuka at 22, i don't think Mario Williams fits the 3-4 and O-line is our biggest need next to RB and QB

[Jabba the Jet]

I'm more content in waiting until day 2 and taking a guy like Jeff Mroz, Ingle Martin or Eric Meyer
Ingle Martin is a nice sleeper ... if we don't draft a QB early, I'd be very happy if we drafted him late

[Jabba the Jet]

i don't think Mario Williams fits the 3-4
Actually Mario Williams is one of the few DE's in this draft who DOES fit into a 3-4

3-4 DE's are the toughest players to find because they have to be big and skilled, but most skilled DE's are smallish edge rusher types ... for the 3-4 the ideal DE is 290+, like Richard Seymour ... Mario Williams may be the only DE in this draft who fits that criteria, which shows you how tough 3-4 DE's are to find

The Good thing about MW is that he can also excell as an edge rusher in the 4-3 ... has the size/bulk to play end in the 3-4, and the burst off the edge to play end in the 4-3 ... which would make him an ideal fit for Mangini who plans on using a bit of each, as they do in NE

[ThunderbirdJet]

Not so fast, WW85 ... You better take a peek at the Saints linebacking core ... you'd be hard pressed to find a more pathetic group anywhere in the league ... and Thomas Howard is an outstanding prospect, as is D'Qwell Jackson ... I'm definitely figuring the Saints for an LB in RD 2 ... they almost have to take advantage of the Quality LB's who figure to be on the board in that spot

Here are the Saints linebackers as we speak ...

OLB's - Terrence Melton, Allen James, Colby Bockwoldt, Sedrick Hodge, Rabe Russell and TJ Slaughter
ILB's - Courtney Watson, Ronald McKinnon and Alfred Fincher

See what I mean? :ohmy:

I'm not sure if they have one linebacker who can start for 90% of the teams in the NFL :rolleyes:

You forgot Hartwell.

[deviljets7]

You forgot Hartwell.

If you are referring to Edge Hartwell (the former Raven), he's on the Falcons, not the Saints.

[Diabolical_Jet_Fan]

If Young stock falls fast, I don't see him getting past the Raiders.

I don't see the Bills passsing on Ngata.

The Cardinals will open the bank for James or Alexander, therefore White will land with the Ravens...............

[Green Hurricane]

I borrowed your order, minus the trades, for my mock, hope you don't mind. It's amazing how hard it is to find the order past rd 1 out there.

[Jabba the Jet]

I borrowed your order, minus the trades, for my mock, hope you don't mind. It's amazing how hard it is to find the order past rd 1 out there.
Here you go, GH ... full seven round order, and they'll edit it when the comp picks are awarded

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[Jabba the Jet]

Jabba, what's your opinion on Addai?
He made a really good showing at the combines, from what I can gather ... pretty much solidified his position as a second rounder ... but I don't love him as a potential feature RB ... I think he's more along the lines of a Derrick Blaylock type, solid #2 Back or a servicable starter, but nothing special ... so I wouldn't trade up to get him

[Mexican Buc]

YUCK!!!!

Chad? Alright fine, I'm starting to warm up to the thought but still iffy on it. But 59. T.B. Bucs ~ CB/RM Devin Hester, Miami is not acceptable! He is too dumb for the Tampa two, and completely does not fit the scheme at all! Possibly the worse CB we can select. As a RM, fine, but not in the 2nd.