Nationals/Reds 8 player deal

[ButtleMan]

Just heard on ESPN news. Soriano and Hernandez were not involved.
Reds get 5 players.

I just caught Gary Majewski and Royce Clayton from the Nats and Kearns and Lopez adn Ryan Wagner from the Reds.

Why the Reds would trade Lopez is beyond me?

[GreenMachine]

Well, I guess that may mean no Soriano renunion in the Bronx....

[Learn To Swim]

The Reds had moved Wily Mo Pena in the offseason to make room for Kearns, and now they trade him. Huh?

Felipe Lopez has similar numbers to Royce Clayton, except he has more power and speed. And is younger. Huh?

[ButtleMan]

The Reds had moved Wily Mo Pena in the offseason to make room for Kearns, and now they trade him. Huh?

Felipe Lopez has similar numbers to Royce Clayton, except he has more power and speed. And is younger. Huh?

Kurkjian on ESPN said that Clayton is much better defender than Clayton and the Reds needed the pitching desperately.
I havent seen the trade hit the net yet to see the other players involved.

[Pennythetowelboy]

The Reds had moved Wily Mo Pena in the offseason to make room for Kearns, and now they trade him. Huh?

Felipe Lopez has similar numbers to Royce Clayton, except he has more power and speed. And is younger. Huh?

yeah but now ryan freel was as spot which has been long over due.

[Learn To Swim]

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Has the info, which I can't copy because my mouse doesnt work.

[ButtleMan]

From ESPN

The Cincinnati Reds swapped Austin Kearns and two other players to the Washington Nationals for Royce Clayton and four other players on Thursday.

Headed to Washington in addition to Kearns are shortstop Felipe Lopez and right-hander Ryan Wagner. Headed to Cincy are right-hander Gary Majewski, left-hander Bill Bray, shortstop Royce Clayton, infielder Brendan Harris and right-hander Daryl Thompson.

Majewski, Clayton and Bray are expected to report to Cincinnati in time for the game against the Colorado Rockies on Friday night. Harris will report to Triple-A Louisville and Thompson to Sarasota in the Gulf Coast League.

Last season for Washington, Majewski recorded a 2.93 ERA while leading the pitching staff with 79 appearances, a franchise record for a rookie. During the first half of this season he went 3-2 with a 3.58 ERA in 46 games.

Bray, 23, made his Major League debut this season and has posted a 3.91 ERA in 19 relief appearances.



This season for the Nats, Clayton is hitting .269 with 22 doubles and 8 stolen bases in 87 appearances.

Harris, 25, has appeared in 17 games for the Nationals and hit .283 with five home runs and 32 RBI in 59 games for New Orleans.

Thompson, 20, was selected by the Expos in the eighth round of the 2003 first-year player draft. This season for Vermont in the Class A New York-Penn League he went 0-1 with a 6.75 ERA in 4 starts.

Kearns, 26, this season for the Reds hit .274 with 16 home runs and 50 RBI in 87 appearances.

Lopez, 26, hit .268 with nine home runs and 30 RBI in 85 games during the season's first half.

Wagner, 23, has spent the entire season in the minor leagues at Louisville, where he has posted a 6.34 ERA in 35 relief appearances.

The Reds recalled outfielder Chris Denorfia and infielder William Bergolla from Louisville to fill the roster spots of Kearns and Lopez on Thursday night.

[GreenMachine]

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Has the info, which I can't copy because my mouse doesnt work.
Reds get:

Bill Bray
Gary Majewski
Royce Clayton
Brendan Harris
Daryl Thompson

Washington gets:

Austin Kearns
Felipe Lopez
Ryan Wagner

[ButtleMan]

On the surface it looks like the Nats got the best of the deal but the Reds D gets much better and so does their Bullpen which were the 2 biggest holes the Reds had.

GM, Soriano will still be traded but dont be suprised to see him head out west.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Nevermind...

[3rdAnd15Draw]

what an idiotic trade

[ButtleMan]

what an idiotic trade

Why?


filler...

[Learn To Swim]

Man, the Reds fans on that blog are pissed.

[GreenMachine]

The Reds got RAPED!

[3rdAnd15Draw]

because defense isn't a weakness unless you're playing multiple guys out of position, or you have guys with horrible range at several positions. and you certainly don't trade for it. they gave up way too much to get a couple arms back.

[ButtleMan]

Man, the Reds fans on that blog are pissed.

Thats because the 2 biggest "names" in the trade were Reds.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

because defense isn't a weakness unless you're playing multiple guys out of position, or you have guys with horrible range at several positions. and you certainly don't trade for it.

Wrong. See 2004 Red Sox.

[Learn To Swim]

Thats because the 2 biggest "names" in the trade were Reds.
The 2 biggest names were also the 2 best players in the deal. As I said, Lopez is a younger Clayton with speed and power, and Kearns has been a solid OF.

Majewski is a pretty good relief pitcher, but now he's going to be a pretty good relief pitcher who has to pitch home games in a bandbox.

The other pitcher they got is an untested LOOGY, not a rarity.

[ButtleMan]

The 2 biggest names were also the 2 best players in the deal. As I said, Lopez is a younger Clayton with speed and power, and Kearns has been a solid OF.

Majewski is a pretty good relief pitcher, but now he's going to be a pretty good relief pitcher who has to pitch home games in a bandbox.

The other pitcher they got is an untested LOOGY, not a rarity.


Just trying to see the other side of it.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Wrong. See 2004 Red Sox.

Oh come on now. That deal was about getting a troublemaker off the roster and getting back what they could.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Just trying to see the other side of it.

Sometimes the other side isn't worth examining. There are alot of piss poor GM's that have jobs.

[ButtleMan]

Sometimes the other side isn't worth examining. There are alot of piss poor GM's that have jobs.

Its the only was to try to understand why it was done because at the surface, their isnt any way to justify the deal.

[Boss Revis]

There is no other side. WTF are the Reds doing?!?! You don't trade for defense. Ok, they got bullpen help but at the expense of 2 good hitters?

Jesus Christ.

[Royal Tee]

Wow . Kearns & Lopez???

Kearns in streaky but I'm sorry those 2 guys alone are 2 nice bats in the lineup.

[ToddtoBarkum]

This also gets Edwin Encarnacion back in the lineup (just came of the DL)...nice bat so far this year until he got hurt and he had a nice 1/2 of a rookie season last year.

You could say that the Reds only lost Kearns in this trade...and as someone else pointed out Freel derservedly is assured of an every day spot in the lineup now.

[ToddtoBarkum]

On the surface it looks like the Nats got the best of the deal but the Reds D gets much better and so does their Bullpen which were the 2 biggest holes the Reds had.

GM, Soriano will still be traded but dont be suprised to see him head out west.

Rumor has Soriano going to the Angels....

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Oh come on now. That deal was about getting a troublemaker off the roster and getting back what they could.

Maybe it was, but the improved defense is the reason they won the World Series. Intentional or not, the deal proved that defense is more important than people think. It's also why the Sox are in first place right now.

[xjets2002x]

Regardless of what you think of Kearns, the guy had 50 RBI's, and as a top of the order guy.

Lopez was on pace to score 100 runs, walk over 90 times, and steal over 40 bases.

I don't think upgrading middle relief and defense is going to make up for that. Even in a bandbox.

-X-

[Jetfanmack]

Majewski is a really good reliever, but I guess Cincy is giving up on Kearns ever becoming a star. Not sure why they would trade Lopez for Clayton in the deal.

I would keep typing, but Herm is on WFAN right now, and I hate him.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Maybe it was, but the improved defense is the reason they won the World Series. Intentional or not, the deal proved that defense is more important than people think. It's also why the Sox are in first place right now.

That's why both players acquired in the deal were on new teams the next season? Cabrera was pretty good offensively with the Red Sox, especially for him, which made the deal alot more paletable in the short term. An absolute disaster of a defensive SS might in actuality cost you a game or two over the course of a season, while a very good defenive SS might save a game or two over the course of the season. The idea that the defensive play of Cabrera and Alphabet Soup are the reason the Sox won the WS is absurd.

Of course, the Sox couldn't come out and say "look, we held on to Nomar for so long and let him create such a disruption that not only are we only going to get 2 defensive replacements back for him, but we have to give up a good prospect just for the pleasure of dumping him". Hence the "we were looking to upgrade our defense!"

[OhioJetsFan]

I liked Austin Kearns a lot, even if he was streaky. I'm not sure this deal will work for the Reds now OR later....

[deviljets7]

Wow, I like Bray/Majewski, but the Reds badly overpaid here.

[Barry the Baptist]

Honestly it looks like the Reds just took themselves out of competing for that WC spot. This comes after the report that thye wouldn't move any minor leaguers for Dontrelle Willis or Tom Gordon.... unreal. I'd be fuming if I was a Reds fan.

[Jetfanmack]

Clayton hasn't been awful this year, and he upgrades defensively. Kearns is a loss, but Cincinatti can afford to lose a guy like him for some relief pitching. It sounds horrible on the outside, but Cincinatti could afford to lose some offense for some relief pitching. They did give up way too much, though.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Clayton hasn't been awful this year, and he upgrades defensively. Kearns is a loss, but Cincinatti can afford to lose a guy like him for some relief pitching. It sounds horrible on the outside, but Cincinatti could afford to lose some offense for some relief pitching. They did give up way too much, though.

What's your definition of awful? He's not the worst starting SS in baseball, but he's one of them.

[Jetfanmack]

I said that before I looked at his stats. I saw he was hitting .269, and Clayton has decent speed, so I figured his OBP was close to .340, but on second look, nope.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

the Reds GM seems almost apologetic here

"We paid a steep price," Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky said. "I'm sure this will be a controversial trade. I know a lot of people will be leaving nasty messages on my voicemail, and I'll have some who think it's great."