Time for Randy to Leave

[EcKo151]

I know it won't happen but i'm gonna say it anyway...

When he was brought here, I liked the move, would of rather had Tim Hudson, but liked it...He had a pretty good 1st year, 17 wins 3+ ERA, beat Boston...But then just implodes in the ALDS, just a total gutless effort.

This year he's supposed to be our "Ace"? 7-5 5.62 ERA. And he should have 7-8 losses since the Yanks have taken him off the hook a few times.

I'm just sick of seing him, put him on the DL for a sore twat, whatever it is...He gives up HR's to batters who bat 7-8-9!! I mean come on!! His body language after he gives up a HR is just "Oh well, I still made 300 thousand tonight." He probably doesn't even care when he loses, he's just cashing it in the bank. He sucks in New York, he's a total loser...

At least Pedro realized he couldn't over-power hitters, so he freaking A-D-J-U-S-T-E-D to his body/age and starting using more pitches and being more efficient...It seems to me Randy is such a redass that he doesn't want to hurt his ego by not being able to over-power MFers! Develop a changeup! Splitter! Whatever! This flat fastball/hanging slider shit is so done with man! You suck!

I'm tired of watching him trot out to the mound, no emotion or anything, screw you and go Kevin Brown so the Yankees can DL you, and in the process, you'd be doing them a favor...Jackass.

He flopped in New York, oh and it aint over, he'll be here for 2007:ohmy:

[DonnieIsTheKing]

If he stays at this rate he might not be a Yankee in 07... when does his contract expire?

[EcKo151]

If he stays at this rate he might not be a Yankee in 07... when does his contract expire?
After the 07' season:mad: :sad:

[typeOnegative13NY]

I can't stand the guy

[BIG COUNTRY]

I hate Randy:mad::mad:

There is something wrong with his mechanics, if he wasnt such a hard-ass he might try and change it.

[kinghenry89]

I'd love to see the Yankees jettison Johnson. If we had anybody else to start for him.

Just thank Mike Mussina for answering the bell.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

After the 07' season:mad: :sad:
Well maybe Mussina could teach him how to pitch when you don't have a 98 MPH fastball.

The arm slot looked a little better in the start about a week ago when he looked very good, but I haven't seen him since. Guidry needs to consider Randy his #1 project and he needs to adjust his mechanics because Randy can't survive by just whipping the ball anymore. I think with a solid amount of coaching he can atleast get to a 3.50 ERA type of guy. The Yankees are doing very well right now so it's not a concern in June, so Guidry has a few months before September when Randy NEEDS to be on the top of his game.

[EcKo151]

I'd love to see the Yankees jettison Johnson. If we had anybody else to start for him.
If? You're telling me Sean Henn couldn't go 4 innings 6 Earned? Or Tommy Phelps? Hell, even Scott Erickson can go 4 innings 6 Earned...

His performances have been outright horrendus...And yes Moose has saved the pitching alot...

But that is no excuse, not saying you made one, but no excuse for Randy to at least give 6 innings 3 earned, hell, even 5 1/3, 3 earned....THATS IT, thats not asking too much! But for this jagoff, it is!

[kinghenry89]

If? You're telling me Sean Henn couldn't go 4 innings 6 Earned? Or Tommy Phelps? Hell, even Scott Erickson can go 4 innings 6 Earned...

His performances have been outright horrendus...And yes Moose has saved the pitching alot...

But that is no excuse, not saying you made one, but no excuse for Randy to at least give 6 innings 3 earned, hell, even 5 1/3, 3 earned....THATS IT, thats not asking too much! But for this jagoff, it is!
Sure Henn (who's currently on the DL though it's really irrelevant) or Erickson could do as poorly as Johnson, but they could never do much better. Johnson can.

He's capable of being an ace. I'm willing to give him more time because frankly we don't have a choice. We right now have Mussina pitching lights out, Wang pitching hit or miss, Wright sucking and we don't know what to expect from Shawn Chacon when he returns.

That's not gonna cut it in the playoffs.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

If? You're telling me Sean Henn couldn't go 4 innings 6 Earned? Or Tommy Phelps? Hell, even Scott Erickson can go 4 innings 6 Earned...

His performances have been outright horrendus...And yes Moose has saved the pitching alot...

But that is no excuse, not saying you made one, but no excuse for Randy to at least give 6 innings 3 earned, hell, even 5 1/3, 3 earned....THATS IT, thats not asking too much! But for this jagoff, it is!
Heh, Scott Erickson. Sorry but after seeing him suck terribly in a Met uniform I wouldn't start him over Randy Johnson.

I haven't seen Henn or Phelps but I guess they're options... but always remember that they're young and inexperienced and may fold in the big games. Randy does too, but he's actually less likely to suck in the big games then guys fresh up from AAA.

[EcKo151]

He's capable of being an ace.
Hah! That's looking at the optimistic side of things...

AT BEST Randy is a #3, making $16 million...Right now? He's a 5th starter whos struggling badly and really has shown no indication of changing jack.

Whats his HR total? 11-13? And that's capable of being an ace? Under who's eye? He's a has-been, and well the Yanks are stuck with him...

[FirstTimeCaller]

Erickson is a big stretch, he blows.

[EcKo151]

Heh, Scott Erickson. Sorry but after seeing him suck terribly in a Met uniform I wouldn't start him over Randy Johnson.

I haven't seen Henn or Phelps but I guess they're options... but always remember that they're young and inexperienced and may fold in the big games. Randy does too, but he's actually less likely to suck in the big games then guys fresh up from AAA.
I'm not saying literally i'd take those guys over Randy...But they can easily give 4 innings 6 Earned...his meat-ball fastballs and hanging sliders are too easy to predict if you're a hitter, you pretty much have no respect for his fastball, which is obbvious...

Randy's been a bust, no other way to put it...

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Erickson is a big stretch, he blows.
Based on his 2 starts for us in 2004, he is not capable of being a #5 starter at AAA. He may have gotten better since then... but I doubt it.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Maybe Randy is like Rick Vaughn in Major League II. He was a dominant pitcher who has tried to change his appearance and it has made him suck. He cant take it. I think Randy needs to grow his hair back and get the facial hair and then he'd be himself. Next game let him walk out to the mound in a leather jacket with Wild Thing blasting and force Randy to hang out with inner city kids. Maybe his e.r.a. will be kept under 5?

[EcKo151]

Erickson is a big stretch, he blows.
Erickson will be DFAed once Chacon and Dotel come back but i'm just saying...Scotty can give 4 innings 6+ earned...

Erickson is pretty bad no doubt...But he can pitch as bad as Randy does...

And where the hell has Randy's control gone? He's afraid to challenge hitters, and when he does?

It's goin over the wall.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Randy's been a bust, no other way to put it...
It happens... but you need to try and get something out of him because he has an arm that has won a world series and an arm that has a high number of wins in its career. So you can either try to get some good starts out of him by changing his mechanics, or trade him and get value out of him in that way. A lot of teams would take Randy if Stienbrenner was willing to pay off part of his contract, which he's never hesistated in doing that before.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Unless Erickson is much improved from his time on the NYM I doubt what you're saying. HE was totatly horrible here...

[kinghenry89]

Guys he's not literally saying that he'd rather have Erickson than Johnson. He's just trying to make a point.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Erickson will be DFAed once Chacon and Dotel come back but i'm just saying...Scotty can give 4 innings 6+ earned...
That would be Erickson. With 12 hits allowed in 4 innings, of course.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Guys he's not literally saying that he'd rather have Erickson than Johnson. He's just trying to make a point.
I know, but when there's an oppurtunity to make fun of an ex-Met that sucked I'll take it.

Btw, Mo Vaughn sucks.

[GreenMachine]

Randy and Arod....I have one thing I want to show you....To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

[EcKo151]

It happens... but you need to try and get something out of him because he has an arm that has won a world series and an arm that has a high number of wins in its career. So you can either try to get some good starts out of him by changing his mechanics, or trade him and get value out of him in that way. A lot of teams would take Randy if Stienbrenner was willing to pay off part of his contract, which he's never hesistated in doing that before.
The guy is a liability each start...He gets run-support, he gives it right back...Spot him 3 runs, he'll give up 4...His location, fastball, slider have all diminished as we can see...But man!

Do I really want this guy pitching in the post-season if the Yanks get there? I'd be swaying towards NO, he's shown nothing that will make me change my opinion on him...And with the fans and media on his ass every start, deservingly so, I can't see any reason that he'd snap out of this.

He just cannot handle New York.

[EcKo151]

and Arod....I have one thing I want to show you....
I don't know about all that now. AL MVP, excellent transition from SS to 3rd, one of the best players in the game, still relatively young...

Now I know his clutchness isn't exaclty good, but that's not a reason to show him the door...

[BIG COUNTRY]

I don't know about all that now. AL MVP, excellent transition from SS to 3rd, one of the best players in the game, still relatively young...

Now I know his clutchness isn't exaclty good, but that's not a reason to show him the door...
This year he's been playing like an average 3rd baseman. For $25 million I expect a top 5 3rd baseman. I dont want to bash a dead horse with this whole clutch thing but we all know he's been worthless in the clutch. His fielding hasnt been great and his hitting dissapears when we need it. he's sucked so far this year. I would gladly get rid of him and take the money back.

[EcKo151]

This year he's been playing like an average 3rd baseman. For $25 million I expect a top 5 3rd baseman. I dont want to bash a dead horse with this whole clutch thing but we all know he's been worthless in the clutch. His fielding hasnt been great and his hitting dissapears when we need it. he's sucked so far this year. I would gladly get rid of him and take the money back.
This is his 3rd year as a 3rd baseman, and he's still very good there...Last year he was great at 3B, now he's tailing off a bit...And for the Yanks paying him $17 million, that's a bargain...

I wouldn't get rid of a guy, who the Yanks aren't paying the full amount, who's only 30 years old and still has alot of baseball in him...

Randy, is just done.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I don't know about all that now. AL MVP, excellent transition from SS to 3rd, one of the best players in the game, still relatively young...

Now I know his clutchness isn't exaclty good, but that's not a reason to show him the door...
IMO, he hasn't been the MVP-caliber player because of the lack of clutch hitting and inconsistent defense... but as you said the door is not where you want to send him to right now. The lineup would look mediocre if he left for good, especially since Matsui and Sheffield may be done for the year.

[BIG COUNTRY]

This is his 3rd year as a 3rd baseman, and he's still very good there...Last year he was great at 3B, now he's tailing off a bit...And for the Yanks paying him $17 million, that's a bargain...


Not trying to sound like an ass but for $17 million I consider him a bust so far.

[MSUJet85]

Maybe Randy is like Rick Vaughn in Major League II. He was a dominant pitcher who has tried to change his appearance and it has made him suck. He cant take it. I think Randy needs to grow his hair back and get the facial hair and then he'd be himself. Next game let him walk out to the mound in a leather jacket with Wild Thing blasting and force Randy to hang out with inner city kids. Maybe his e.r.a. will be kept under 5?
Considering Randy is in his 40s I doubt it

[AMJets]

Erickson would give you about a 6.50 ERA at 500K, Johnson gives you a 5.50 ERA at $16M. I'd rather have Erickson going into an off-season, extra $15.5M to play with.

[Royal Tee]

Randy and Arod....I have one thing I want to show you....
I have no Problem with A-Rod.
Randy on the other hand, I never wanted him here.
Now, it seems as his age is showing 2 fold.
Just watching him pitch, He's stiff like if he just can't throw anymore.
He was always a slingshot type pitcher so the typical mechanics do not apply but even with that , he looks like he just has nothing. Almost praying with every Pitch..

[FirstTimeCaller]

Erickson would give you about a 6.50 ERA at 500K, Johnson gives you a 5.50 ERA at $16M. I'd rather have Erickson going into an off-season, extra $15.5M to play with.


Yikes... at least with RJ you have a shot at him picthing well. I think you guys need to see Erickson over the full course of a season (or even more then a handful of innings) to truly appreciate how bad he sucks.

[AMJets]

Yikes... at least with RJ you have a shot at him picthing well. I think you guys need to see Erickson over the full course of a season (or even more then a handful of innings) to truly appreciate how bad he sucks.

I'd much rather go into an off-season with Erickson under contract for near minimum, than Randy under contract for $16M. That's not even an issue.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Okay, but what kind of criteria is that... I'd rather go into an off season with 99.9% of the players in the league then a $16million RJ for a number of reasons. Today... I'd rather have RJ then Erickson.

[EcKo151]

Not trying to sound like an ass but for $17 million I consider him a bust so far.
That's a bargain for the caliber player that ARod is.

His 1st season was pretty good .286 36 HRs 106 RBIs, 13 errors.

2nd season, AL MVP....321 48 HRs 130 RBIs, 12 errors.

I don't see how that doesn't justify his salary...Those are very good numbers, with one great season.

Now he's hitting .286...Now you can throw out the clutch stuff, and i'll give you that...But he's definately not a bust.

[EcKo151]

Okay, but what kind of criteria is that... I'd rather go into an off season with 99.9% of the players in the league then a $16million RJ for a number of reasons. Today... I'd rather have RJ then Erickson.
All we're saying is...Erickson can do the same shit performances that Randy is doing, and it's not because we like Erickson, he sucks...But the same for Beam or Phelps...They can do these horrible outings.