I hate Grimsley

[BIG COUNTRY]

**There should be an asterisk next to his name

:beer:Discuss:beer:

[ToddtoBarkum]

The * will show that he was the apparent source of many of the drugs in MLB. Reports say the admits to going over the border getting the HGH and speed and keeping a black book of his users...and reportedly the names (black lined in the Federal Document) are far reaching from the BOB.

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[BIG COUNTRY]

The Babe did it on beer and hot-dogs, Nolan Ryan did it in a form of kick-ass, how did you do it...Jason?***

[GreenMachine]

How about him narcing out his teammates?

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The Babe did it on beer and hot-dogs, Nolan Ryan did it in a form of kick-ass, how did you do it...Jason?***
That son of a bitch, I wanted him to get the saves record.

[Cakes]

Yankees 1999 World Series*
Yankees 2000 World Series*

[Exit 117]

I actually think I'm going to burn my Grimsley jersey when I get home tomorrow.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Yankees 1999 World Series*
Yankees 2000 World Series*
He had a 5.04 e.r.a. in 2000, in the 1999 World Series he only pitched in 1 game.

[FirstTimeCaller]

**There should be an asterisk next to his name

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That's what I'm talkin bout!!! :up:

[BIG COUNTRY]

That's what I'm talkin bout!!! :up:
Grimsley will forever be in the Hall of Shame

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[Cakes]

Grimsley* won 3 games in 2000. Yankees kept BoSox out of playoffs by 2.5 games. I rest my case. Those are not clean titles in my eyes.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Yankees 1999 World Series*
Yankees 2000 World Series*


Now you guys are really picking up on what I'm putting down...

[BIG COUNTRY]

Grimsley* won 3 games in 2000. Yankees kept BoSox out of playoffs by 2.5 games. I rest my case. Those are not clean titles in my eyes.
Their star player was Nomar, he was on the roids

[wildthing2022000]

Strip the Yankees of those 2 titles like they did in college to Michigan.

[GreenMachine]

Grimsley* won 3 games in 2000. Yankees kept BoSox out of playoffs by 2.5 games. I rest my case. Those are not clean titles in my eyes.
So the Mets should be stripped Because Doc and Keith were doing blow in 1986

[MSUJet85]

So the Mets should be stripped Because Doc and Keith were doing blow in 1986
Those drugs aren't performance-enhancing :up:

[BIG COUNTRY]

Those drugs aren't performance-enhancing :up:
They played like maniacs with that in their system

[GreenMachine]

Those drugs aren't performance-enhancing :up:
So says you...:up:

[Cakes]

So the Mets should be stripped Because Doc and Keith were doing blow in 1986


Blow- good
Steroids- bad

[FirstTimeCaller]

Keith was done with blow long before 1986... he was tested regularly during his years in NY

[GreenMachine]

Blow- good
Steroids- bad
Both illeagal...:up:

[Cakes]

Both illeagal...:up:


Yes, and I didn't mean cocaine is good for anybody. But I do think steroids are used to cheat the game, whereas using cocaine is just stupidity (or a disease, if you look at it in that fashion). I don't think anybody used cocaine to hit more home runs or strike out more batters.

[10nyjets87]

yes lets put an asterisk next to all those records he broke :lol: im telling you steroids are overated.

[nyjunc]

Grimsley* won 3 games in 2000. Yankees kept BoSox out of playoffs by 2.5 games. I rest my case. Those are not clean titles in my eyes.

So you are assuming no Sox used steroids? I would go on a limb and say there were users on every team and by the way the yanks put it in cruise control late in '00 and won when they had to, they would have gotten another game if needed.

Keith was done with blow long before 1986... he was tested regularly during his years in NY

just like the guys today are "clean" from steroids.



Anyone who thinks that players from every team weren't using steroids and still aren't using steroids is naive. So i guess we should strip all the records from about '95-current?

[Cakes]

Anyone who thinks that players from every team weren't using steroids and still aren't using steroids is naive. So i guess we should strip all the records from about '95-current?

I'm all for it!

[ButtleMan]

Keith was done with blow long before 1986... he was tested regularly during his years in NY

Was it Doc or Darryl that was on such a coke bender that he couldnt even make the championship parade?

[Rextasy]

Yes the Yanks should have an asterick next to their WS titles but so should Boston, Anaheim, Florida, Arizona and whoever else won WS titles over the last 15 or so years.

[statjeff22]

Was it Doc or Darryl that was on such a coke bender that he couldnt even make the championship parade?

That would be Doc.

[ButtleMan]

That would be Doc.


Thats what I thought.

Nevermind. I just saw GM's original post...

[GreenMachine]

Schilling*

[Sundayjack]

Schilling*
I have to say, that one would surprise and disappoint me just a bit. Not because I like Schill and I'm biased (which I admit); moreso because he'd have to know that he would go down as a bigger villain than even Barry Bonds, after his sanctimonious Congressional testimony. That would've taken balls the size of cantalopes to pull off.

I've always suspected Johnny Damon (yes, even as a Red Sox). He has that classic cranial growth and increased muscle pack from his skinny Kansas City days. Nomar's always been a good suspect. I don't think Manny has the discipline to take the stuff, but I know that he's one of those workout fiends. It's possible, but I'd put better odds on him and the rest of the Latin contingent with amphetamines.

[Sundayjack]

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[Cakes]

Damon did look different in his KC days. Now he looks like he orders roast duck with mango salsa. (And I'm sure he didn't use them in 2004, so that WS title is still legitimate, junc.)

I don't suspect Schilling because he was very anti-steroids in that Caminiti Sports Illustrated story.

[GreenMachine]

David Ortiz


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[Cakes]

He's a porker like Babe Ruth. Ortiz is the last power hitter I would suspect, but I wouldn't be shocked with any of these guys.

[wildthing2022000]

David Ortiz


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Looks like Cecil Fielder, got fatter not stronger.

[GreenMachine]

Looks like Cecil Fielder, got fatter not stronger.
2000 MIN 10 HRs
2003 BOS 39 HRs


OK, fat makes balls jump off your bat...:up:

[wildthing2022000]

2000 MIN 10 HRs
2003 BOS 39 HRs


OK, fat makes balls jump off your bat...:up:

:lol: I can make sht up too

A-rod '95 5 HR
'96 36 HR

[GreenMachine]

:lol: I can make sht up too

A-rod '95 5 HR
'96 36 HR
He played in 48 games in 1995.

Whereas Ortiz played in over 130 games in the 2 seasons I mentioned.

And since when is posting stats making things up?

[wildthing2022000]

He played in 48 games in 1995.

Whereas Ortiz played in over 130 games in the 2 seasons I mentioned.

And since when is posting stats making things up?

So your saying it's impossible for a player to improve what so ever in a few years without steroid use. So it's safe to say A-rod is on roids just because he hit 50+ HRs.

[Rextasy]

So your saying it's impossible for a player to improve what so ever in a few years without steroid use. So it's safe to say A-rod is on roids just because he hit 50+ HRs.
I would say ARod is 100% on roids, just like Ortiz..

[BIG COUNTRY]

Cliff Flord:

19996-6 homers

2001-31 homers

Granted he played in 30 more games but I doubt he hits 25 homers in those games:beer:

[GreenMachine]

So your saying it's impossible for a player to improve what so ever in a few years without steroid use. So it's safe to say A-rod is on roids just because he hit 50+ HRs.
The difference is, once ARod became an everyday player his HR production has been consistant.
Whereas Ortiz* had a major jump in a small amount of time.

[Cakes]

There is nothing noticeable in the career minor and major league stats of Ortiz, Rodriguez, or Floyd that would suggest, "Wow, this guy sure did all of a sudden start hitting home runs around this time."

Those guys hit HRs in the minors, too.

[BIG COUNTRY]

There is nothing noticeable in the career minor and major league stats of Ortiz, Rodriguez, or Floyd that would suggest, "Wow, this guy sure did all of a sudden start hitting home runs around this time."

Those guys hit HRs in the minors, too.
The thing is, until a credible source throws out names outside of Bonds, Sheff and Giambi you really cant believe anything.

[Rextasy]

There is nothing noticeable in the career minor and major league stats of Ortiz, Rodriguez, or Floyd that would suggest, "Wow, this guy sure did all of a sudden start hitting home runs around this time."

Those guys hit HRs in the minors, too.
I would say all three have used some kind of performance enhancing drug..

[10nyjets87]

Nomar and brian giles are on the roids. Nomar because of all the injuries.. Yes after using HGH for a long time your muscles get to big and begin tearing. That explains all the injuries. Brian Giles because my brother knows a teamate of his and they were talking about it one night.

[wildthing2022000]

The difference is, once ARod became an everyday player his HR production has been consistant.
Whereas Ortiz* had a major jump in a small amount of time.

Major jump:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ortiz year by year
2000 130 games 10 HR
2001 89 games 18 HR
2002 125 games 20 HR
2003 128 games 31 HR - first year in Boston w/Manny
2004 150 games 41 HR
2005 159 games 47 HR

Oh I'm sorry but where is this jump you speak of. Unless you count being in a better line-up a result of steroids there is nothing there but progression not every superstar is great from their rookie year on.

[GreenMachine]

Major jump:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ortiz year by year
2000 130 games 10 HR
2001 89 games 18 HR
2002 125 games 20 HR
2003 128 games 31 HR - first year in Boston w/Manny
2004 150 games 41 HR
2005 159 games 47 HR

Oh I'm sorry but where is this jump you speak of. Unless you count being in a better line-up a result of steroids there is nothing there but progression not every superstar is great from their rookie year on.
Never said Roids...HGH is his fix...

[JETSFAN5180]

Who defines performance enhancing drug? So if a player drinks 3 energy drinks before a game and goes out and hits 3 hrs hes juiced?

[nyscene911]

Damon did look different in his KC days. Now he looks like he orders roast duck with mango salsa. (And I'm sure he didn't use them in 2004, so that WS title is still legitimate, junc.)

I don't suspect Schilling because he was very anti-steroids in that Caminiti Sports Illustrated story.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[GreenMachine]

Tell me you are not that stupid. These are drugs that are ILLEAGAL in the US...unless prescribed by a physician.

[Cakes]

Who defines performance enhancing drug? So if a player drinks 3 energy drinks before a game and goes out and hits 3 hrs hes juiced?


If the substance is designed to make the player bigger, I have a problem with it.

If the player does crack or smack or drinks a six-pack with every meal, I have no problem with it.