Yanks vs Sox, 5/23 Game Thread [Archive] - TheGangGreen.com Message Board

nyjunc

05-23-2006, 10:21 PM

4-1 Yankees in the bottom of the 6th. The Clueless jackass takes Wright out after only 73 pitches, and now there's runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out, with a runner already scoring. Amazing how incompetent this guy is as a manager.

it's amazing how you can bash Joe who has maanged 4 World Championship teams and 6 AL pennant winners yet you defend ARod to the death and he's done nothing but choke for us:ohmy:

3 run HR for A-Rod, blows the game open.

But it probably doesn't count.

Nice job by ARod, I wouldn't call it clutch but he did his job. Something tells me if the game ws closer he wouldn't have done that but he did a good job. Let's see more of it and he'll earn my praise.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:23 PM

it's amazing how you can bash Joe who has maanged 4 World Championship teams and 6 AL pennant winners yet you defend ARod to the death and he's done nothing but choke for us:ohmy:

I don't defend A-Rod to the death. I know that he has struggled in big spots. But I just find it funny that some people would rather have a below average player over one of the greatest players who ever lived. And how some of these people actually think the Yankees would have won equal amount of games last year by replacing 125 runs scored with 60 runs scored.

Torre on the other hand might be the worst in-game manager in baseball, there's no denying that.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:26 PM

7-4. Thanks Joe.

By the way, that makes A-Rod's homerun even more important. Not that it matters, he still is "teh sux".

nyjunc

05-23-2006, 10:29 PM

I don't defend A-Rod to the death. I know that he has struggled in big spots. But I just find it funny that some people would rather have a below average player over one of the greatest players who ever lived. And how some of these people actually think the Yankees would have won equal amount of games last year by replacing 125 runs scored with 60 runs scored.

Torre on the other hand might be the worst in-game manager in baseball, there's no denying that.

Torre has been so horrible that he's going to the HOF as a Manager tahnks to his last decade in NY. it's just like herm, you guys blame every failure on the coach/mgr and none on the players.

I am sick of ARod, great players are supposed to come throuhg in big spots. ARod is the Peyton Manning of baseball. I might be harsh on him but he's supposed to be our best player, I have higher expectations for him than any player and he rarely delivers. I want him to come through for us, I don't want to bash him. I hate bashing players on my teams and I don't do it often but he drives me nuts w/ his failures in big spots.

nyjunc

05-23-2006, 10:30 PM

7-4. Thanks Joe.

By the way, that makes A-Rod's homerun even more important. Not that it matters, he still is "teh sux".

Joe threw the pitch?

It was an important HR, not necessarily clutch since we were up 3 but an important hit and he did his job. I just wish he'd do it mroe often.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:31 PM

Joe threw the pitch?

Proctor should not have been in the game.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:33 PM

Torre has been so horrible that he's going to the HOF as a Manager tahnks to his last decade in NY. it's just like herm, you guys blame every failure on the coach/mgr and none on the players.

He's a horrible manager of the bullpen. Don't even deny it. If you can't see that, then you obviously aren't paying any attention. He has been a disgrace ever since he lost his Stanton-Nelson-Rivera bridge. Other than '96, Torre won championships with teams that anyone could have won championships with. Now that he has to do some work, especially when it comes to the bullpen, he has not done a good job at all.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:37 PM

Farnsworth totally loses the zone.

nyjunc

05-23-2006, 10:42 PM

He's a horrible manager of the bullpen. Don't even deny it. If you can't see that, then you obviously aren't paying any attention. He has been a disgrace ever since he lost his Stanton-Nelson-Rivera bridge. Other than '96, Torre won championships with teams that anyone could have won championships with. Now that he has to do some work, especially when it comes to the bullpen, he has not done a good job at all.

What have we had in the pen since the Stanton-Nelson-Mo years? We haven't had much to work w/ and the past few years the SP has been alot worse. He has done fine w/ what they've given him to work w/.

I disagree about anyone winning w/ those teams, we were necessarily always the most talented team in MLB. We never had an MVP in those days or a CY, we had a great TEAM and that started w/ Joe. I think we've had more individual talent the past few years but we haven't won b/c that talent hasn't meshed. it's a terrible mix of guys but we've still been one of the top teams in baseball thanks to Joe. Is he Billy martin? No but Billy had ultra talented teams and only won 1 WS for us, don't discount what Joe did and again it boggles my mind how Joe can be bashed yet ARod can be defended.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:46 PM

What have we had in the pen since the Stanton-Nelson-Mo years? We haven't had much to work w/ and the past few years the SP has been alot worse. He has done fine w/ what they've given him to work w/.

I disagree about anyone winning w/ those teams, we were necessarily always the most talented team in MLB. We never had an MVP in those days or a CY, we had a great TEAM and that started w/ Joe. I think we've had more individual talent the past few years but we haven't won b/c that talent hasn't meshed. it's a terrible mix of guys but we've still been one of the top teams in baseball thanks to Joe. Is he Billy martin? No but Billy had ultra talented teams and only won 1 WS for us, don't discount what Joe did and again it boggles my mind how Joe can be bashed yet ARod can be defended.

It's not a matter of defending A-Rod, I just find it hillarious that some people out there are actually crazy enough that they can't see that A-Rod over a full 162 game season produces more than Scott Brosius does.

But whatever.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 10:58 PM

Rivera in for the 5 out save.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 11:07 PM

Need a little insurance here, just incase.

kinghenry89

05-23-2006, 11:21 PM

AMJets

05-23-2006, 11:23 PM

Clutch job by Rivera getting Ortiz to pop out. Ramirez hit a nice pitch for a single but he got out of the inning with no further events.

I don't really see how you can blame Torre for pitching Proctor too much. Who else is he gonna bring in? Without and effective Sturtze we are back into our old groove of having an everyday 7th, 8th and 9th inning guy and they are gonna wear down yet again. As far as I can tell there's nothing Torre can do.

Wright only threw 73 pitches, he should be in there for the 6th inning without a doubt. Then in the 7th you could bring in Proctor, but are better off going with Erickson or Villone (it's the bottom of the order, they can get a few outs), and if they struggle that's when you go to Proctor or Farnsworth.

And with RJ going tomorrow, you can't have such a quick hook with Wright when his pitch count is so low, and he is pitching so well.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 11:23 PM

Well done by Rivera.

kinghenry89

05-23-2006, 11:26 PM

Wright only threw 73 pitches, he should be in there for the 6th inning without a doubt. Then in the 7th you could bring in Proctor, but are better off going with Erickson or Villone (it's the bottom of the order, they can get a few outs), and if they struggle that's when you go to Proctor or Farnsworth.

And with RJ going tomorrow, you can't have such a quick hook with Wright when his pitch count is so low, and he is pitching so well.
Wright threw only 73 pitches but he wasn't exactly pitching lights out from what I saw (though I admit there was a gap between 8 and 9 while I was watching House.)

Maybe he could have brought in Villone instead of Proctor but if you are ripping Torre for bringing Proctor into the game against Boston you would've been asking for Torre's head on a platter if he brought in Erickson.

AMJets

05-23-2006, 11:29 PM

Wright threw only 73 pitches but he wasn't exactly pitching lights out from what I saw (though I admit there was a gap between 8 and 9 while I was watching House.)

Maybe he could have brought in Villone instead of Proctor but if you are ripping Torre for bringing Proctor into the game against Boston you would've been asking for Torre's head on a platter if he brought in Erickson.

In a 7-1 game, I definitely wouldn't have had a problem with him going with Erickson. He can't keep on overworking Proctor like he has been. The effects of too much work is already beginning to show.

daking231

05-24-2006, 12:16 AM

Good win tonight and it was needed.... now Unit go out there and shutout the Sox tomorrow!!! LETS GO YANKEES

GreenMachine

05-24-2006, 12:20 AM

The Big Unic will go out and pitch a no-no just to piss me off more.......

EcKo151

05-24-2006, 12:38 AM

A much better effort tonight...Jeter I must say has been flat out amazing...Sheffy back helps without a doubt...

And SLOWLY, Jaret Wright is becoming a decent #4 starter...This was a big step shutting down Boston, hopefully we'll see more sucess out of him...

Rivera was Rivera. Didn't back down from Ortiz and did a fine job.

Now everyone says bean Ortiz...Bean Manny! Him and his sucking himself off for his home-runs is a joke...He hit his shot off Proctor and didn't start trotting for a good 5 seconds, just watching...Bean him.

MisterMoss

05-24-2006, 12:46 AM

EcKo151

05-24-2006, 12:50 AM

Can we at least give A-Rod credit for a critical home run in this game? I'm one of his biggest critics, but that was large.
He has to. He came up in a big spot, and hit a guy who he really isn't that good against in Wakefield. I had to laugh though when he was just looking around for the ball when he smacked it out.

But tonight was good for him in terms of doing something...Now up against a very hittable Matt Clement...

jetophile

05-24-2006, 01:23 AM

I tried to watch, but Randy Johnson is so ugly, my eyes starting bleeding. Holy Cr*p, where's the eyewash.

28rogerblaze51

05-24-2006, 02:33 AM

^ damn jeto... How many bottles of eyewash have you used already...?

nyjunc

05-24-2006, 09:09 AM

Can we at least give A-Rod credit for a critical home run in this game? I'm one of his biggest critics, but that was large. I hope he can do it at a more normal rate though.

Good win. Randy tomorrow. I don't wanna watch.

I gave him credit for doing his job, was it critical? No, we were up 4-1 at the time, if it was 4-4 or we were down 4-1 it would have been critical- he was just doing his job and if he keeps doing that we'll all be happy.

It's not a matter of defending A-Rod, I just find it hillarious that some people out there are actually crazy enough that they can't see that A-Rod over a full 162 game season produces more than Scott Brosius does.

Does he put up better fantasy #s? Absolutely but overall brosius would come through in big spots more often than ARod and brosius was not counted on to do that while ARod is so it makes it much more glaring when ARod continus to fail.

MisterMoss

05-24-2006, 09:13 AM

nyjunc

05-24-2006, 09:35 AM

junc, to say that A-Rod's homer last night was NOT crucial is a joke. I see where you come from on a lot of the arguements involving A-Rod, and I agree with some of them. A crutial home run doesn't have to be one that creates a lead change. With the Red Sox offense being what it is, it is nieve to think that all they would score last night was 1 run. Certainly, there have been bigger homers hit in baseball, but in the game last night, that was a crutial home run. I mean, come on.

It turned out to be critical but at the time it was not. Up 4-1 a HR is not critical. he did his job and I'm glad to see it and hope to see it more often but let's not make this like it was the bot of the 9th and the yanks were down 2.

ButtleMan

05-24-2006, 11:20 AM

In a 7-1 game, I definitely wouldn't have had a problem with him going with Erickson. He can't keep on overworking Proctor like he has been. The effects of too much work is already beginning to show.

Proctor will be on the DL by July if Joe keeps abusing him.

Whats the point of having a bullpen if you keep using the same 3 pitchers?

ShadeTree#55

05-24-2006, 11:21 AM

Big Papi is not clutch.

MisterMoss

05-24-2006, 01:27 PM

It turned out to be critical but at the time it was not. Up 4-1 a HR is not critical. he did his job and I'm glad to see it and hope to see it more often but let's not make this like it was the bot of the 9th and the yanks were down 2.
I think everyone watching the game knew that A-Rod's homer was going to make the margin of the Yankees victory over the Red Sox.

10nyjets87

05-24-2006, 01:34 PM

7-4. Thanks Joe.

By the way, that makes A-Rod's homerun even more important. Not that it matters, he still is "teh sux".
lol you know the players still have to go out there and play the game. its not joe torre playing.

AMJets

05-24-2006, 03:45 PM

lol you know the players still have to go out there and play the game. its not joe torre playing.

No, but it is his fault for being a bad in-game manager.

By the way, I will give him a break for last night, since Jaret had a groin pull and needed to leave as a pre-caution.

ButtleMan

05-24-2006, 03:47 PM

The news out of Columbus is that Ramiro Mendoza is on his way up. At least Joe has another favorite to abuse.

BTW, what the F*uck is Mike Myers still doing on this team?

AMJets

05-24-2006, 03:48 PM

Does he put up better fantasy #s? Absolutely but overall brosius would come through in big spots more often than ARod and brosius was not counted on to do that while ARod is so it makes it much more glaring when ARod continus to fail.

You realize that you're saying every single run that Brosius would score would either tie the game or put the Yankees ahead. EVERY SINGLE RUN. You're also saying that every single one of A-Rod's 65 extra runs would come in a blowout situation.

Bottom line junc, you're just saying the same thing over and over again because, as usual, you fail to ever admit that maybe, just MAYBE, you were wrong. It's something that people on this board have known about you for a long time now, and we're seeing it yet again. I don't have a problem with you saying that you would rather have Brosius in a big spot, but you can't say that the Yankees still win 95 games with Brosius over 162 games. The chances of that happening are less than 1%.

nyjunc

05-24-2006, 04:13 PM

You realize that you're saying every single run that Brosius would score would either tie the game or put the Yankees ahead. EVERY SINGLE RUN. You're also saying that every single one of A-Rod's 65 extra runs would come in a blowout situation.

Bottom line junc, you're just saying the same thing over and over again because, as usual, you fail to ever admit that maybe, just MAYBE, you were wrong. It's something that people on this board have known about you for a long time now, and we're seeing it yet again. I don't have a problem with you saying that you would rather have Brosius in a big spot, but you can't say that the Yankees still win 95 games with Brosius over 162 games. The chances of that happening are less than 1%.

I admit when I am wrong(the few times that happens) but there's no way to prove who is right or wrong, all I know is brosius came through alot mroe for us than ARod has and we managed to 'squeak" into the playoffs every single year w/o ARod from '95-'03 and managed to make and win a few WS. To say we couldn't make it w/o him is preposterous. Just b/c you can't back up your argument about ARod do't turn this into a personal attack. The bottom line is the guy is supposed to be our best player and in big spots he plays like our 7th or 8th best player. I'd rather have a guy who costs a fraction of ARod's salary who will come through as much, if not more, than have to rely upon a guy who does nothing but choke in big spots.

It boggles my mind how you can bash Joe who has done nothing but win here yet you back ARod who has done nothing but struggle in big spots and been a major reason why we haven't won in the past couple of years. ARod alone broke the curse! for that reason alone you shouldn't be backing him the way you are and bashing Joe.

AMJets

05-24-2006, 04:28 PM

I don't even need to read that post to realize my point was 100% correct. Thank you, junc. You make it too easy.

3rdAnd15Draw

05-24-2006, 04:32 PM

I admit when I am wrong(the few times that happens) but there's no way to prove who is right or wrong, all I know is brosius came through alot mroe for us than ARod has and we managed to 'squeak" into the playoffs every single year w/o ARod from '95-'03 and managed to make and win a few WS. To say we couldn't make it w/o him is preposterous. Just b/c you can't back up your argument about ARod do't turn this into a personal attack. The bottom line is the guy is supposed to be our best player and in big spots he plays like our 7th or 8th best player. I'd rather have a guy who costs a fraction of ARod's salary who will come through as much, if not more, than have to rely upon a guy who does nothing but choke in big spots.

It boggles my mind how you can bash Joe who has done nothing but win here yet you back ARod who has done nothing but struggle in big spots and been a major reason why we haven't won in the past couple of years. ARod alone broke the curse! for that reason alone you shouldn't be backing him the way you are and bashing Joe.

Even the people who "agree" with you about rather having Brosius then A-Rod couch it in the fact that A-Rod's money would be used to get a top flight pitcher or the like. You make no such distinction and blithely declare that the Yanks would be better off with Brosius replacing A-Rod. Which is of course ridiculous.

kinghenry89

05-24-2006, 07:42 PM

Wright only threw 73 pitches, he should be in there for the 6th inning without a doubt. Then in the 7th you could bring in Proctor, but are better off going with Erickson or Villone (it's the bottom of the order, they can get a few outs), and if they struggle that's when you go to Proctor or Farnsworth.

And with RJ going tomorrow, you can't have such a quick hook with Wright when his pitch count is so low, and he is pitching so well.

Just a note that I picked up from tonight's pregame show: Wright actually left the game last night with a groin injury and is questionable for his next start.

AMJets

05-24-2006, 07:50 PM

Just a note that I picked up from tonight's pregame show: Wright actually left the game last night with a groin injury and is questionable for his next start.

I mentioned that before. I'll give Torre a break for last night, God knows he needs one after these past few years.

nyjunc

05-25-2006, 08:18 AM

Even the people who "agree" with you about rather having Brosius then A-Rod couch it in the fact that A-Rod's money would be used to get a top flight pitcher or the like. You make no such distinction and blithely declare that the Yanks would be better off with Brosius replacing A-Rod. Which is of course ridiculous.

I have talked about that in other posts, I didn't bring it up here b/c it seemed like it didn't need to be posted BUT even straight up I'd rather have a guy like Brosius who is not counte don to be our best player and makes a fraction of ARod's salary.

I don't even need to read that post to realize my point was 100% correct. Thank you, junc. You make it too easy.

Good one, first personal insults then bad jokes. Maybe if your argumetn was a little stronger you wouldn't have to resort to those?

I mentioned that before. I'll give Torre a break for last night, God knows he needs one after these past few years.

Yep but ARod is just the greatest and no one should ever question him!

Did Torre help us win last night or did he make the game close? I'm trying to figure it what he actually does besides lose games for us?