Raiders Hire Windshield-Washing Hobo

[Sundayjack]

I needed an headline that pops, so I can lure Jeaux in here to tell me how Tom Walsh was a hidden gem - a football mad scientist, who's been working in his football laboratory for the last 6 years, devising unstoppable offensive schemes to RULE THE WORLD!!!


Walsh hired as Raiders' offensive coordinator
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

The Oakland Raiders reached deep into their past in choosing Art Shell as their new head coach. And now Shell has done the same in selecting his offensive coordinator.

In a move that has been rumored since he replaced Norv Turner as head coach, Shell has hired Tom Walsh to oversee an offense that, despite having plenty of potential playmakers, statistically ranked No. 21 in the league in 2005.

Walsh has not coached in the NFL since 1994, when he was fired, along with Shell, by the Raiders. Walsh hasn't worked at any level of the game since 1999, when he was director of operations and head coach of a minor-league franchise in Mobile, Ala., in 1999. Before that, he was head coach at Idaho State, where he compiled a 6-16 record in two seasons.

That recent idleness aside, Shell has great faith in Walsh, who worked for the Raiders from 1982 to '94, coaching quarterbacks and receivers before being elevated to coordinator. Walsh most recently has operated a bed-and-breakfast ranch and served as mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho.

Oakland's most recently hired coordinator, Jimmy Raye, is a close friend of Shell and the two have worked together in the past. But Raye departed the Raiders to become running backs coach with the New York Jets before Oakland hired Shell as head coach.

The Raiders did retain quarterbacks coach John Shoop, who actually interviewed for the head coach spot with the team, and he figures to have considerable input into the offensive design as well.

Also, as rumored, Shell has added Hall of Fame tackle Jackie Slater as offensive line coach. Slater played 20 seasons in the NFL, with the Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2001. He will work with another former NFL lineman, Irv Eatman, in tutoring the Raiders' blockers.

Former NFL defensive lineman Daryl Sims, who most recently was head coach of the Cologne franchise in the NFL Europe League, was hired as a defensive line assistant.

[NJRaider]

I don't want to step between you two, but how's this?...

"JETS HIRE LOCAL PAPERBOY TO RUN OFFENSE"

I love it, two 4-12 teams duking it out!...

[Sundayjack]

I don't want to step between you two, but how's this?...

"JETS HIRE LOCAL PAPERBOY TO RUN OFFENSE"

I love it, two 4-12 teams duking it out!...
hehehe. . . touché. :)


Mine was more of a commentary on Jeaux's theory about how coaches were banging down Crazy Al's door. This latest addition they found selling snow tires in Idaho.

I'm thinking the first 5 minutes of the phone call with Tom Walsh were spent with him trying to figure out which of his old fraternity brothers was playing a joke on him.

"Stinky? Is that you? Stinky, this isn't funny. Wait. . . Art who?"

[NJRaider]

I really like the Shell hire but when I heard they were bringing back Walsh I was pretty dumbfounded myself. Ironically I read today that Shell likes Jimmy Raye and may have kept him around to be the offensive coordinator but Raye left for the Jets before Shell was hired. I don't think I'd be wild about him as a coordinator either, but it's interesting...

[3rdAnd15Draw]

hehehe. . . touché. :)


Mine was more of a commentary on Jeaux's theory about how coaches were banging down Crazy Al's door. This latest addition they found selling snow tires in Idaho.

I'm thinking the first 5 minutes of the phone call with Tom Walsh were spent with him trying to figure out which of his old fraternity brothers was playing a joke on him.

"Stinky? Is that you? Stinky, this isn't funny. Wait. . . Art who?"

I think you may have hit on something here. What if this whole thing is some kind of Rachel Phelps-esque plot by Al Davis to move the team?

Some more quotes:

"I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Patriots"

"How would you like to coach the Raiders this year?"

"Gee, I don't know..."

"What do you mean, you don't know? This is your chance to coach in the big leagues."

"Let me get back to you, will ya? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls."

[Sundayjack]

I think you may have hit on something here. What if this whole thing is some kind of Rachel Phelps-esque plot by Al Davis to move the team?

Some more quotes:

"I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Patriots"

"How would you like to coach the Raiders this year?"

"Gee, I don't know..."

"What do you mean, you don't know? This is your chance to coach in the big leagues."

"Let me get back to you, will ya? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.":)

Al's trying to lose so that he can move the team to. . . . ummm. . . . what's left? Sacramento? Or, maybe something a little more radical - the Tijuana Raiders!! Call it crazy, but Mexico City pulled in more fans for one game than Oakland brings for two.

[NJRaider]

Man I wish we had a stable owner like the Woodman!

[Raiderjoe]

I needed an headline that pops, so I can lure Jeaux in here to tell me how Tom Walsh was a hidden gem - a football mad scientist, who's been working in his football laboratory for the last 6 years, devising unstoppable offensive schemes to RULE THE WORLD!!!


Walsh hired as Raiders' offensive coordinator
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

The Oakland Raiders reached deep into their past in choosing Art Shell as their new head coach. And now Shell has done the same in selecting his offensive coordinator.

In a move that has been rumored since he replaced Norv Turner as head coach, Shell has hired Tom Walsh to oversee an offense that, despite having plenty of potential playmakers, statistically ranked No. 21 in the league in 2005.

Walsh has not coached in the NFL since 1994, when he was fired, along with Shell, by the Raiders. Walsh hasn't worked at any level of the game since 1999, when he was director of operations and head coach of a minor-league franchise in Mobile, Ala., in 1999. Before that, he was head coach at Idaho State, where he compiled a 6-16 record in two seasons.

That recent idleness aside, Shell has great faith in Walsh, who worked for the Raiders from 1982 to '94, coaching quarterbacks and receivers before being elevated to coordinator. Walsh most recently has operated a bed-and-breakfast ranch and served as mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho.

Oakland's most recently hired coordinator, Jimmy Raye, is a close friend of Shell and the two have worked together in the past. But Raye departed the Raiders to become running backs coach with the New York Jets before Oakland hired Shell as head coach.

The Raiders did retain quarterbacks coach John Shoop, who actually interviewed for the head coach spot with the team, and he figures to have considerable input into the offensive design as well.

Also, as rumored, Shell has added Hall of Fame tackle Jackie Slater as offensive line coach. Slater played 20 seasons in the NFL, with the Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2001. He will work with another former NFL lineman, Irv Eatman, in tutoring the Raiders' blockers.

Former NFL defensive lineman Daryl Sims, who most recently was head coach of the Cologne franchise in the NFL Europe League, was hired as a defensive line assistant.

Here the biggest reason Tom Walsh got the oC job. Last time Art shell was fired he blamed his assistant coaches for backstabbing him to AL. (M white) TOm Walsh not looking for head coaching job and will not be the only one formulating offensive gameplan. IF Walsh is calling plays by himself, than raiders are in serious trouble . Jeff Hosteteler wasn't too happy with walsh ,as he couldn't make any adjustments.


Someone(whether its J Shoop- shell moved him to TE coach from QB coach) OR the NEW QB coach- some have speculted that R Neuheisel(current Ravens QB coach) Raiders are trying to get Ravens to let him leave, to take job with Raiders. OR another(rumor) is that Rich gannon will be quarterback coach. Gannon has been working with Last year rookie Andrew Walter. Also been talking with D brees. I wouldn't mind gannon having a hand in offense as he was one best in reading a defense and breaking down a defense weakspots. Gannon going to make a great coach someday.

Lets see who gets the QB coach job and I think we will have a better idea what the Raiders plan is. I wouldn't be too happy if J shoop is the guy thats assisting walsh- he might be smart but I wasn't impressed with his stint as Bears OC.

[Raiderjoe]

Man I wish we had a stable owner like the Woodman!


Hey do you think BIg Al would have let C dolan get the better of him.

[plinko]

Now the question is how tall and how heavy is Tom Walsh?

[kinghenry89]

Don't knock winshield washing hobos--what do you think that Steve Webb did before becoming an Islander?

...btw I'm not kidding, Webb actually was unemployed and broke before randomly showing up on Mike Milbury's doorstep :)

[F Miami]

Best thread title in a long time.

[Sundayjack]

Here the biggest reason Tom Walsh got the oC job. Last time Art shell was fired he blamed his assistant coaches for backstabbing him to AL. (M white) TOm Walsh not looking for head coaching job and will not be the only one formulating offensive gameplan. IF Walsh is calling plays by himself, than raiders are in serious trouble . Jeff Hosteteler wasn't too happy with walsh ,as he couldn't make any adjustments.


Someone(whether its J Shoop- shell moved him to TE coach from QB coach) OR the NEW QB coach- some have speculted that R Neuheisel(current Ravens QB coach) Raiders are trying to get Ravens to let him leave, to take job with Raiders. OR another(rumor) is that Rich gannon will be quarterback coach. Gannon has been working with Last year rookie Andrew Walter. Also been talking with D brees. I wouldn't mind gannon having a hand in offense as he was one best in reading a defense and breaking down a defense weakspots. Gannon going to make a great coach someday.

Lets see who gets the QB coach job and I think we will have a better idea what the Raiders plan is. I wouldn't be too happy if J shoop is the guy thats assisting walsh- he might be smart but I wasn't impressed with his stint as Bears OC.
Wait. Let's back up a step.

Art Shell, you said, would be fine as long as the Raider hired a great OC to work with him. Those were your words. Now we need to find help for Tom Walsh too??!! :rolleyes:

Last thing I want to do is help the Raiders, but it seems fairly clear that team is going to be mired in mediocrity until Crazy Al figures out that (a) he's no longer fit for the job, and (b) nobody wants to work for him.

[Raiderjoe]

Wait. Let's back up a step.

Art Shell, you said, would be fine as long as the Raider hired a great OC to work with him. Those were your words. Now we need to find help for Tom Walsh too??!! :rolleyes:

Last thing I want to do is help the Raiders, but it seems fairly clear that team is going to be mired in mediocrity until Crazy Al figures out that (a) he's no longer fit for the job, and (b) nobody wants to work for him.


Yes I said that OC was very important IF Shell was hired(hes not X and O coach) and that was assuming OC would call all the plays by himself.(someone like m Martz) If someone like R neuheisel is helping Walsh with play calling ,than Im fine with it. Ive said it in previous posts that if Walsh is calling the plays by himself, than Raiders offense is in serious trouble. Again lets wait till we see who gets QB coaching job and than we can judge who going to be developing the offense gameplan. I have said that if J shoop is assisting Walsh with gameplanning , I wouldn't be happy with direction offense is going. So where has my opinion changed.

[abyzmul]

Yes I said that OC was very important IF Shell was hired(hes not X and O coach) and that was assuming OC would call all the plays by himself.(someone like m Martz) If someone like R neuheisel is helping Walsh with play calling ,than Im fine with it. Ive said it in previous posts that if Walsh is calling the plays by himself, than Raiders offense is in serious trouble. Again lets wait till we see who gets QB coaching job and than we can judge who going to be developing the offense gameplan. I have said that if J shoop is assisting Walsh with gameplanning , I wouldn't be happy with direction offense is going. So where has my opinion changed.
So um... basically, you're saying that your new OC is completely useless.

[Sundayjack]

I love this article. Schadenfreude, admittedly. :) LINK (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.)

Will Art be a Shell of His Former Self?
Hello Raider fans. Another guest column today by Mike Green, this one on the new head coach, Art Shell:

Let me answer this question right away and pull no punches. The current state of the Raiders is a desperate one and these issues are serious. So serious, it has put my lighter creative writing style on hold. Having been trained as an EMT in the past, I feel like I am fighting for the life of a friend, a team, and an organization that I love and care about. It does not look good, my Silver and Black brothers, I must be honest. Because Art Shell is not an Offensive Coordinator, the answer to the Headline's question will be decided right away based upon whom Art Shell hires as an Offensive Coordinator.

Should it be Tom Walsh? You are only as good as your last season and Tom Walsh's last season with the Raiders cost Art Shell his job. I would like to thank Walsh, however, because in 1994 I was so frustrated with the Raiders and with Tom Walsh that I first became motivated to write, and my work was published in Silver and Black Illustrated. I have been writing and lobbying the team to make common-sense moves ever since. Therefore, I must say this, and you heard it from me first, the re-hiring of Tom Walsh will not be a common sense move; it will be a very, very big mistake.

With the talk of Tom Walsh being considered for the job, I dug out my old in Silver and Black Illustrated articles from 1993 and 1994 and it all started coming back to me. You know that familiar sinking feeling of bad football and a good roster wasted on antiquated Norv Turner-like Joe Bugel-vertical Offenses right out of dusty old museum piece playbooks. We have not had a successful winning vertical Offense since the Jay Schroeder years of the early 1990's and this was only because we had running backs such as Marcus Allan, Eric Dickerson and Bo Jackson. Their running game and a stubborn defense, too, carried those teams. If you doubt this, just ask yourself what did Willie Gault or Mervin Fernandez ever do for the Raiders? Granted, Tim Brown was around when they were, but he was more our intermediate-to-short yardage go-to-target, while the aforementioned no-names ran the vertical "Go 9 Routes."

Now you are asking, "All right then, West Side, what kind of season could we expect out of a Tom Walsh offense?" Well, I used to be able to tell you what would happen for the rest of the season after seeing a few games. Now I can beat that. I will tell you what will happen this year under Tom Walsh before he is hired-before the season even starts, because we have seen it all before.

This is what you can expect from a Tom Walsh Offense:

I) He will solve our Kerry Collins' problem, because he will get Kerry Collins killed just as he did Jeff Hostetler. Hostetler was sacked fifty times in 1994 and he really got beat up and injured. The problem here was in Walsh's system where it required the quarterback to hold on to the ball 3.5 to 4.0 seconds before getting rid of it. With all due respect, remember and comprehend that the speed of this game and its athletes has changed over the years, so, try this versus Pittsburgh next season and see what happens. Do you remember Derrick Thomas getting four to five sacks against us a game and going to the pro bowl every year just off playing us? Yeah, you do, and you tried to forget that, but now you are starting to remember.

II) You can expect the Raiders to lead the league in penalties just as they did in 1994 with 156 penalties. You see, many of those penalties in '94 were holding calls. That Offensive line, which was better than last year's by the way, was desperately trying to protect their quarterback--trying to protect Hoss, who was holding on to the ball too long in this ancient, fossilized vertical offense from the Jurassic Age. (Leather helmets anyone?)

III) As in 1994, you can expect the Raiders to always run on first downs and, as a result, defenses will counter this with eight men in the box, in a 5-3 Cover 1 Defense, and they will shut our running game down. Despite this, you can expect to see Walsh run the ball, straight up the gut, on some second-and-long situations. Back then Tim Brown was seen on the field throwing his hands up in the air like, "What the F*?!" when Walsh called plays that were not appropriate for down and distance. Brown's gestures were exasperation that was directed directly at Walsh's play calling.

IV) You can expect the play to be very conservative with a lead and he will not to play to win on Offense, he will put that burden on Rob Ryan's shoulders while we will all be biting our nails.

V) You can expect us to go into trips and multi-wide receiver formations only on third down and long situations.

VI) You will see us go to a no-huddle offense only once, as Walsh did in one particular game versus Tampa Bay to win the game, never to see a no-huddle again.

VII) You will see very predictable play calling and no half-time adjustments whatsoever, ever. No adjustments to things as simple as a team going eight men in the box, as was evident in the playoff games to the Bills in 1990 and 1993. Yeah we did lose those playoff games and yeah no adjustments were made to them simply crowding the box?

VIII) You will see fights on the sidelines between Walsh, his quarterback, his receivers and that same puzzled look on the face of Art Shell as we saw in 1994. You will see Shell lose the locker room and not be able to get it back with a headset on Walsh's dome.

IX) If the Raiders have a quarterback that has a pair as did Hoss, he will change his plays in the huddle as did Hoss in 1994. Why? Because Walsh's plays did not make any sense back then, nor will they ever again in this modern era of football. I am sorry. Currently, we have no Marcus Allan's, Bo Jackson's or Eric Dickerson's to cover for a return to that outdated offensive system that will not work; nor for this current group of players on offense.

X) This list could keep going; but suffice it to say, ESPN reported at the end of that season that Hoss had had enough of that offense. ( This was reportedly a factor in Walsh and unfortunately Shell being shown the door.) All Coach Shell needed though, in retrospect, was a new Coordinator.

This is not about Art Shell. He will do what he was hired to do and he will do it well. But, again, make no mistake, Art Shell never has been nor will he now be an Offensive Coordinator. As a result, it will take a good decision now as to who will be the Offensive Coordinator and this choice will be crucial. This is simply about the all-important hiring of an Offensive Coordinator and this man, Tom Walsh, is not the one. He will cost Coach Shell his job as surely as Cole Ford cost Mike White his job. Coach Shell needs to know that Mr. Davis is not going to give him more than two years, no one gets that under Mr. Davis.

The Raider fan base is out of gas, too. We can't take it anymore, man, and many people are now jumping off this sinking ship. The organization's decision here for an Offensive Coordinator under Shell will decide if we will turn this team around or if we will just be a

[jetophile]

Watching the Raiders Freak Show makes it feel liberating to be a JETS fan. Their sores are more oozy than ours. Now that's a treat.

[Raiderjoe]

So um... basically, you're saying that your new OC is completely useless.
NO Like former Raiders coach N Turner was comfortable with Jimmy Raye, Shell is comfortable with Walsh. Knows he not going to backstabb him to AL. Walsh philosphy of heavy emphasis on running game and going down the field, mesh with what raiders want to do. Hes going to play Raider football. Its just last time he had trouble making in game adjustment(thats where a R Neusheisel_If hes the guy) can come in and help him.
Walsh is the OC (has final say) but Neusheisel can give him suggestions.

[Raiderjoe]

Watching the Raiders Freak Show makes it feel liberating to be a JETS fan. Their sores are more oozy than ours. Now that's a treat.


Sorry but if you think raiders have more sores than Jets than obviously you haven't check both teams rosters and coaching staffs. Want to debate this one

[NJRaider]

Again, this 4-12 vs. 4-12 smack fest is pathetic. A bunch of people in glass houses launching stones. Supposedly nobody wants to work for Davis but the Jets can't keep anyone they hire! Davis is criticized for taking his sweet time hiring a coach (something he's ALWAYS done by the way, Flores wasn't even hired until March), but the Jets peed down their leg and basically drew up a contract for a 34 year old before he even came in to interview. And nobody else even contacted him!

Shell has the respect of Davis AND the players, most Raider coaches don't walk in the door with that credibility. And he's won there before. Mangini is certainly green (no pun intended), but very highly regarded as an assistant. Nobody should be beating their chests until we see what these teams do on the field...

But I guess that would make this a boring board, right?

[abyzmul]

NO Like former Raiders coach N Turner was comfortable with Jimmy Raye, Shell is comfortable with Walsh. Knows he not going to backstabb him to AL. Walsh philosphy of heavy emphasis on running game and going down the field, mesh with what raiders want to do. Hes going to play Raider football. Its just last time he had trouble making in game adjustment(thats where a R Neusheisel_If hes the guy) can come in and help him.
Walsh is the OC (has final say) but Neusheisel can give him suggestions.
Al Davis/Art Shell hire Walsh as OC and you say he can't devise his own gameplan. That sounds pretty useless to me.

[Raiderjoe]

Al Davis/Art Shell hire Walsh as OC and you say he can't devise his own gameplan. That sounds pretty useless to me.
Let me ask you , you think Jimmy raye(last years OC) was calling Raiders play by himself. Bill callahan wasn't getting assistance from marc trestman . Gary Kubiak was calling plays for Denver by himself. Bill Muir was calling the Plays for Tampabay by himself or J gruden. YEs they had strong X and O coach ,but point is it dosen't matter had it structured the gameplanning(whether it goes through head coach or not)- but that they get best possible result out of offense. Only time will tell by the results on field.

Never said Walsh couldn't devise his own gameplan. Only thing I remember was he did have some trouble making in game adjustments. Thats where another pair of eyes can only help him. (like R Neusheisel) can really pay dividends. OC eventually going to have final say.(just a little birdie given some of his insight)

[jetophile]

Sorry but if you think raiders have more sores than Jets than obviously you haven't check both teams rosters and coaching staffs. Want to debate this one
Well, we can start with Al Davis and his Hyman Roth fashion statements. Holy Cr*p, where's the eyewash.
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[Sundayjack]

Again, this 4-12 vs. 4-12 smack fest is pathetic. A bunch of people in glass houses launching stones. Supposedly nobody wants to work for Davis but the Jets can't keep anyone they hire! Davis is criticized for taking his sweet time hiring a coach (something he's ALWAYS done by the way, Flores wasn't even hired until March), but the Jets peed down their leg and basically drew up a contract for a 34 year old before he even came in to interview. And nobody else even contacted him!

Shell has the respect of Davis AND the players, most Raider coaches don't walk in the door with that credibility. And he's won there before. Mangini is certainly green (no pun intended), but very highly regarded as an assistant. Nobody should be beating their chests until we see what these teams do on the field...

But I guess that would make this a boring board, right?

Here's the difference - right or wrong, the Jets have chosen a business plan, and the fanbase has been infused with a sense hope and direction. On the other hand, transvestites, pirates, road warriors and smog monsters everywhere are groaning about the embarassing series of events over the last month.

Is winning preordained for either team? Of course not. But when Jeaux - our delusional pal - crows about coaches trampling each other to get interviewed by that old loon in the corner cave, and then changes his story when things don't exactly. . . umm. . . work out as planned, it would be impolite not to needle.

[abyzmul]

Let me ask you , you think Jimmy raye(last years OC) was calling Raiders play by himself. Bill callahan wasn't getting assistance from marc trestman . Gary Kubiak was calling plays for Denver by himself. Bill Muir was calling the Plays for Tampabay by himself or J gruden. YEs they had strong X and O coach ,but point is it dosen't matter had it structured the gameplanning(whether it goes through head coach or not)- but that they get best possible result out of offense. Only time will tell by the results on field.

Never said Walsh couldn't devise his own gameplan. Only thing I remember was he did have some trouble making in game adjustments. Thats where another pair of eyes can only help him. (like R Neusheisel) can really pay dividends. OC eventually going to have final say.(just a little birdie given some of his insight)
Jeaux, if backpedalling were an event in Torino, you would have bought home the gold.

[Raiderjoe]

Here's the difference - right or wrong, the Jets have chosen a business plan, and the fanbase has been infused with a sense hope and direction. On the other hand, transvestites, pirates, road warriors and smog monsters everywhere are groaning about the embarassing series of events over the last month.

Is winning preordained for either team? Of course not. But when Jeaux - our delusional pal - crows about coaches trampling each other to get interviewed by that old loon in the corner cave, and then changes his story when things don't exactly. . . umm. . . work out as planned, it would be impolite not to needle.
'
Okay tell me all these coaches that Raiders wanted that turned them down for JOB. AL Saunders wanted the job bad(came in to Raiders interview with 10 binders of what he would do with Raiders personal. AL was only considering him for OC job. (too much like N turner) Washington paying him a ton more money than Raiders would to OC, M Martz- Al Davis talked about him after Norv was fired(press conference) . Said he would consider him only for OC and Not head coaching position(want me to producethat) M Martz asked AL Davis for an interview and AL gave him one. After He knew AL only considered him for OC positon and not a headcoach, he said he was removing his name from consideration as headcoach of Raiders.(LMAO How can you remove your name when you were never offered the job and knew you had no chance for that job. Also Martz agent is Lamonte(same as Mortenson and Gruden) Can you see the picture.
Ken Wisenhunt was this guy on anyone radar before Raiders wanted to interview him. AL was impressed with his x and o's but didn't have the passion al Was looking for. Whisenhunt admitted that Raiders never offered him job. Also
James Lofton was interviewed more for OC too, than headcoach, but he filled
the NFL policy that one nFL coach interviewed must be a minority.

For Millonth time only guy to turn down the Raiders was B Petrino and we know that had more to do with his Kid wanting to finish his senior season.

Again Lets see you puill an article that refutes anything I said.
But it was a nice try.
Want to go over the staff assembled by the Raiders and its impressive group. Only one you can question is hiring oF Tom walsh. That more because headcoach feels the most comfortable with him.
Want to debate me on Raiders coaches versus Jet coaches. Lets go coach by coach.

[Sundayjack]

'
Okay tell me all these coaches that Raiders wanted that turned them down for JOB. AL Saunders wanted the job bad(came in to Raiders interview with 10 binders of what he would do with Raiders personal. AL was only considering him for OC job. (too much like N turner) Washington paying him a ton more money than Raiders would to OC, M Martz- Al Davis talked about him after Norv was fired(press conference) . Said he would consider him only for OC and Not head coaching position(want me to producethat) M Martz asked AL Davis for an interview and AL gave him one. After He knew AL only considered him for OC positon and not a headcoach, he said he was removing his name from consideration as headcoach of Raiders.(LMAO How can you remove your name when you were never offered the job and knew you had no chance for that job. Also Martz agent is Lamonte(same as Mortenson and Gruden) Can you see the picture.
Ken Wisenhunt was this guy on anyone radar before Raiders wanted to interview him. AL was impressed with his x and o's but didn't have the passion al Was looking for. Whisenhunt admitted that Raiders never offered him job. Also
James Lofton was interviewed more for OC too, than headcoach, but he filled
the NFL policy that one nFL coach interviewed must be a minority.

For Millonth time only guy to turn down the Raiders was B Petrino and we know that had more to do with his Kid wanting to finish his senior season.

Again Lets see you puill an article that refutes anything I said.
But it was a nice try.
Want to go over the staff assembled by the Raiders and its impressive group. Only one you can question is hiring oF Tom walsh. That more because headcoach feels the most comfortable with him.
Want to debate me on Raiders coaches versus Jet coaches. Lets go coach by coach.
:lol:

I'd swear right now that if you told me you were Pee-spot Al Davis in the flesh, I'd believe you. You just repeated verbatim that nutsy old coot's press conference from two weeks ago. :rolleyes:

Query - why would Crazy spend 20 minutes of a press conference where he was supposed to be introducing a new coach, explaining away the half dozen coaches that he didn't hire? It was bizarre. That press conference had three phases to it:

Phase I - Introduce Art Shell and let him speak for 3 minutes
Phase II - Talk about getting back to Rrrrrraider Foo'bawl (or whatever)
Phase III - Convince the press in the room that Art was the only coach good enough to choose by explaining how you "never offered" the job to anyone else.

It's not a desirable job, and there are two very simple reasons: First, the team is in cap hell and the talent is weak; and second, Nutsy Fagan Davis is a heavy-handed loon, who won't all coaches to coach without meddling.

But you've certainly drunk the Kool-aid, Jeaux. Go with what you've got.

[jetophile]

This is simply amazing. It's an even better spectacle than Jimmy Swaggert and his "I have sinned against you!" waterworks fest. :lol:
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[jetophile]

What the hey is going on here? Double post. Sorry, folks.

[NJRaider]

Here's the difference - right or wrong, the Jets have chosen a business plan, and the fanbase has been infused with a sense hope and direction. On the other hand, transvestites, pirates, road warriors and smog monsters everywhere are groaning about the embarassing series of events over the last month.

Is winning preordained for either team? Of course not. But when Jeaux - our delusional pal - crows about coaches trampling each other to get interviewed by that old loon in the corner cave, and then changes his story when things don't exactly. . . umm. . . work out as planned, it would be impolite not to needle.

I know the spirit you post in, it's cool. But you do realize that for every fan chuckling at the Raiders there is another fan chuckling at your "business plan". A GM with very little personnel experience hiring a 34 year old coach with 1 year's experience as a coordinator doesn't sound like much of a business plan.

[kinghenry89]

I know the spirit you post in, it's cool. But you do realize that for every fan chuckling at the Raiders there is another fan chuckling at your "business plan". A GM with very little personnel experience hiring a 34 year old coach with 1 year's experience as a coordinator doesn't sound like much of a business plan.

Haven't you ever read this site? Mangini can do no wrong. And while Tannenbaum doesn't get the same treatment, he is not Terry Bradway which is good enough for most of us.

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It's really uncanny. I always said that even before profootballtalk.com!

[NJRaider]

Haven't you ever read this site? Mangini can do no wrong. And while Tannenbaum doesn't get the same treatment, he is not Terry Bradway which is good enough for most of us.

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It's really uncanny. I always said that even before profootballtalk.com!

Hats off to you, that's the most fair statement I've read in this thread (besides mine of course)!

[Raiderjoe]

:lol:

I'd swear right now that if you told me you were Pee-spot Al Davis in the flesh, I'd believe you. You just repeated verbatim that nutsy old coot's press conference from two weeks ago. :rolleyes:

Query - why would Crazy spend 20 minutes of a press conference where he was supposed to be introducing a new coach, explaining away the half dozen coaches that he didn't hire? It was bizarre. That press conference had three phases to it:

Phase I - Introduce Art Shell and let him speak for 3 minutes
Phase II - Talk about getting back to Rrrrrraider Foo'bawl (or whatever)
Phase III - Convince the press in the room that Art was the only coach good enough to choose by explaining how you "never offered" the job to anyone else.

It's not a desirable job, and there are two very simple reasons: First, the team is in cap hell and the talent is weak; and second, Nutsy Fagan Davis is a heavy-handed loon, who won't all coaches to coach without meddling.

But you've certainly drunk the Kool-aid, Jeaux. Go with what you've got.

Lets talk reason why Jets have hired so many youngsters. Could it be that Mangini has no NFl ties around the league, and thats all they could get. (inexperienced assistants ) Tony Wise your oline coach ,couldn't get a job as oline coach. Last year he begged his buddy Norv Turner for the Raiders Oline coach job. Norv was so impressed with his work with Miami, that he gave J Colletto the job. Can you tell me this I don't nojack , where was Tony Wise working as Oline coach last year. LMAO

Any you have the Balls to pick on Raiders hires. Rob Ryan- mangini wanted to be his DC, well hes still Raiders DC. (WOW I thought Jets had better defense talent) B Sutton- Yea tell me hes Mangini first choice.
Want me to go on or do you get the point.

[Sundayjack]

Lets talk reason why Jets have hired so many youngsters. Could it be that Mangini has no NFl ties around the league, and thats all they could get. (inexperienced assistants ) Tony Wise your oline coach ,couldn't get a job as oline coach. Last year he begged his buddy Norv Turner for the Raiders Oline coach job. Norv was so impressed with his work with Miami, that he gave J Colletto the job. Can you tell me this I don't nojack , where was Tony Wise working as Oline coach last year. LMAO

Any you have the Balls to pick on Raiders hires. Rob Ryan- mangini wanted to be his DC, well hes still Raiders DC. (WOW I thought Jets had better defense talent) B Sutton- Yea tell me hes Mangini first choice.
Want me to go on or do you get the point.
:)

What's this got to do with the Raiders hiring a windshield-washing hobo?

[abyzmul]

Lets talk reason why Jets have hired so many youngsters. Could it be that Mangini has no NFl ties around the league, and thats all they could get. (inexperienced assistants ) Tony Wise your oline coach ,couldn't get a job as oline coach. Last year he begged his buddy Norv Turner for the Raiders Oline coach job. Norv was so impressed with his work with Miami, that he gave J Colletto the job. Can you tell me this I don't nojack , where was Tony Wise working as Oline coach last year. LMAO

Any you have the Balls to pick on Raiders hires. Rob Ryan- mangini wanted to be his DC, well hes still Raiders DC. (WOW I thought Jets had better defense talent) B Sutton- Yea tell me hes Mangini first choice.
Want me to go on or do you get the point.
Jeaux, you have this gift for changing the subject when your argument is hopeless.

[Raiderjoe]

:)

What's this got to do with the Raiders hiring a windshield-washing hobo?
People who live In glass houses shouldn't throw stone- especially when there more quiestion marks on their staff(hires) than the team they are trying to make fun of.

[Raiderjoe]

Jeaux, you have this gift for changing the subject when your argument is hopeless.

Changing subject??????? Your talking about Raiders headcoach and assistant coaches hires. I just bringing up your hires this offseason. Just debating which team hires were worse. (Remember Jets are a BIG city team and have more money to overspend for assistant coaches. (see redskins) Yet it seems your Owner went for the seven eleven special(inexperience- cheap coaches)

[abyzmul]

Changing subject??????? Your talking about Raiders headcoach and assistant coaches hires. I just bringing up your hires this offseason. Just debating which team hires were worse. (Remember Jets are a BIG city team and have more money to overspend for assistant coaches. (see redskins) Yet it seems your Owner went for the seven eleven special(inexperience- cheap coaches)
Yes, the 7-11 special, instead of the Raiders' soup kitchen.

[Sundayjack]

People who live In glass houses shouldn't throw stone- especially when there more quiestion marks on their staff(hires) than the team they are trying to make fun of.Are you kidding? I'm all ABOUT throwing stones. And, I was never very keen on that saying.

EDIT: After all this time, Jeaux, don't you get that??!!! :)

[Raiderjoe]

Yes, the 7-11 special, instead of the Raiders' soup kitchen.
Check out soup Kitchen winning percentage to the 7/eleven special. I guess Rob Ryan went with the soup(even though Jets offered him twice as much money he was going to make with Raiders. LMAO

[Raiderjoe]

Are you kidding? I'm all ABOUT throwing stones. And, I was never very keen on that saying.

EDIT: After all this time, Jeaux, don't you get that??!!! :)

Yea that okay, but you throw like a Girl. So again what are you proven.

[abyzmul]

Check out soup Kitchen winning percentage to the 7/eleven special. I guess Rob Ryan went with the soup(even though Jets offered him twice as much money he was going to make with Raiders. LMAO
Hey, maybe Ryan will be able to magically give the Raiders depth on defense.

[Raiderjoe]

Hey, maybe Ryan will be able to magically give the Raiders depth on defense.
I guess he Like what he had on Raiders defensive side of ball , in comparison to what Jets have on defensive side of ball. Why would he take half of what he could have made with Jets. This year he will get to put the finish touches on his defense. They don't need much on offense, and have FA and draft to fill all there needs on defense.

[abyzmul]

I guess he Like what he had on Raiders defensive side of ball , in comparison to what Jets have on defensive side of ball. Why would he take half of what he could have made with Jets. This year he will get to put the finish touches on his defense.
Will that include any semblance of a run defense?

[Raiderjoe]

Will that include any semblance of a run defense?
Yea like you know what a good rush defense is. LMao.

[kinghenry89]

Yea like you know what a good rush defense is. LMao.

I never have and never will understand why people seem to think that when they are argueing with somebody, attacking the team that they root for is a method of defending your own team. Raiderjoe might as well say "The Raiders defense sucks, but Sundayjack has a stupid haircut!"

It supports his arguement just about as much.

[Sundayjack]

I never have and never will understand why people seem to think that when they are argueing with somebody, attacking the team that they root for is a method of defending your own team. Raiderjoe might as well say "The Raiders defense sucks, but Sundayjack has a stupid haircut!"

It supports his arguement just about as much.
We cut Jeaux slack in these threads. He's "argumentally challenged."

[Raiderjoe]

We cut Jeaux slack in these threads. He's "argumentally challenged."
Check out this coaching staff. Outside of the OC, this is one impressive coaching staff assembled by arthur shell. To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

Art Shell: Head Coach

Tom Walsh: Offensive Coordinator
Rob Ryan: Defensive Coordinator
Ted Daisher: Special Teams
Jeff Fish: Strength and Conditioning

Fred Biletnikoff: Wide Receivers
Willie Brown: Squad Development
Don Martindale: Linebackers
Keith Millard: Defensive Line
Chuck Pagano: Defensive Backs
Skip Peete: Running Backs
John Shoop: Tight Ends
Jim McElwain: Quarterbacks
Irv Eatman: Co-Offensive Line
Jackie Slater: Co-Offensive Line
Robert Ford: Quality Control, Offense
George Martinez: Quality Control, Defense
Darryl Sims: Assistant Defensive Line
Lorenzo Ward: Asst. DBs, Asst. Special Teams

OR
JETS SEASONS NFL COACHING SEASONS
Head Coach Mangini, Eric 1 years 12
Offensive Coordinator Schottenheimer, Brian 1 years 7 years
Linebackers Sutton, Bob 5 years 5 years
Assistant Head Coach/Special Teams Coordinator Westhoff, Mike 5 years 23 years
Assistant Wide Receivers Anderson, Richie 1 years 1 years
Assistant Strength and Conditioning Bech, Brett 1 years 1 years
Defensive Backs Brown, Corwin 2 years 2 years
Assistant Defensive Line Cox, Bryan 1 years 1 years
Assistant Offensive Line Devlin, Mike 1 years 1 years
Coaches Assistant Dickerson, Andy 1 years 1 years
Assistant Running Backs and Special Teams Gash, Sam 1 years 1 years
Linebackers Herrmann, Jim 1 years 1 years
Assistant Strength and Conditioning Lyle, Rick 1 years 1 years
Defensive Line Marcin, Denny 2 years 9 years
Defensive Assistant Mandolesi, Jason 1 years 1 years
Wide Receivers Mazzone, Noel 1 years 1 years
Offensive Quality Control Michael, Jason 1 years 1 years
Director of Physical Development Paul, Markus 1 years 8 years
Running Backs Raye, Jimmy 3 years 29 years
Offensive Line Wise, Tony

[abyzmul]

Yea like you know what a good rush defense is. LMao.
LOLZ. I've almost gotten you trained, Jeaux.

[Sundayjack]

Oh. Hehehe. . . . .

Right.

How could I be so wrong? These are the acorns from which the Art Shell coaching tree shall sprout. :rolleyes:





Although, Rob Ryan you'd have to attribute to the Belichick tree, since that's the defense he's brought with him and tortured in Oakland.

[Sundayjack]

Oh dear. . . I see you there, hammering out your replying.

You're writing out little bios for each of the Radier staff, aren't you Jeaux?

Fred Biletnikoff 6'0" 208 - coach of Radier wrs for last 10 yrs. SB MVP and PB 6X. Knows what Cuckoo Al wants out of WRs.

Please. . . spare us all.

[abyzmul]

How could I be so wrong? These are the acorns from which the Art Shell coaching tree shall sprout. :rolleyes:

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[Raiderjoe]

Oh. Hehehe. . . . .

Right.

How could I be so wrong? These are the acorns from which the Art Shell coaching tree shall sprout. :rolleyes:





Although, Rob Ryan you'd have to attribute to the Belichick tree, since that's the defense he's brought with him and tortured in Oakland.

Again it takes time to get all the pieces you want for your defense. Rob Ryan going into his third year and could have made twice as much to be Jets DC. Yet for some reason(has to like young players on his defense) he prefered to stay with raiders ,than go to Jets. Simple reason Raiders defense is not that far off and with FA and draft should be able to fill the final holes on defense.
Comeone sunday Jack what coach takes 1/2 less salary . What Oakland has better all you can Eat places, than Jersey/new Yawk

[Raiderjoe]

Oh dear. . . I see you there, hammering out your replying.

You're writing out little bios for each of the Radier staff, aren't you Jeaux?



Please. . . spare us all.


NO Keith Milliard- defensive line coach- Not only a perenial probowl DT but has developed some of the best dlineman Betrand Berry, Reggie Hayward and Derrick Burgess. Stuff liker that want me to go on.

[Sundayjack]

Comeone sunday Jack what coach takes 1/2 less salary . Ummm. . . . Bobby Petrino??

[Raiderjoe]

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YEa but that tree just like raider defense, didn't look that impressive early, but look real good later.(FA and draft)

[Raiderjoe]

Ummm. . . . Bobby Petrino??
Unlike Petrino, R Ryan didn't have an family issues. Now did he. Petrino didn't have relationship with Davis. Ryan did with Mangini. AND he still said No.
Sorta Like Tony Wise when he could't get a job from anyone in NFL , begged his buddy Norv for Raiders oline job. Friendship can only buy so much.

[Sundayjack]

Unlike Petrino, R Ryan didn't have an family issues. Now did he. Petrino didn't have relationship with Davis. Ryan did with Mangini. AND he still said No.Well. . . lets begin with the real nonsense.

First, find me a link that says Rob Ryan was offered double his salary to move to New York. He was under contract. I'm confident he was sought, but that would only make sense - they were assistants together in New England.

Second, this story about Bobby Petrino turning down the Radiers job because his teenage son told him to is yet another undocumented excuse. He turned them down. Not once - THREE times. THREE!!!

We let you play with us, Jeaux, even without any real good arguments. It's just that the line has to be set somewhere. Bring in all the heights, weights and 40 times you want; just don't keep repeating the made-up stuff.


THREE!!!

UNO DOS TRES!!!!



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One! One rejected job offer. . . . ah ah ah ah ah. . .
TWO!! Two rejected job offers. . . ah ah ah
THREE!!! Three Vunderful rejected job offers. . . ah ah ah ah ah. . .

[Sundayjack]

YEa but that tree just like raider defense, didn't look that impressive early, but look real good later.(FA and draft)
Hehehe. . . Jeaux, he sucked you RIGHT in to a debate on Charlie Brown Christmas trees!!! That's AWESOME!!!

[Raiderjoe]

[QUOTE=Sundayjack]Well. . . lets begin with the real nonsense.

First, find me a link that says Rob Ryan was offered double his salary to move to New York. He was under contract. I'm confident he was sought, but that would only make sense - they were assistants together in New England.

Second, this story about Bobby Petrino turning down the Radiers job because his teenage son told him to is yet another undocumented excuse. He turned them down. Not once - THREE times. THREE!!!

We let you play with us, Jeaux, even without any real good arguments. It's just that the line has to be set somewhere. Bring in all the heights, weights and 40 times you want; just don't keep repeating the made-up stuff.


THREE!!!
R Ryan contract expired this year. He was not under contract when jets hired mangini. How many People were speculating that R Ryan was going to get the Jets DC Job.(close ties to mangini) Look IF Ryan already reupped with raiders, than there would not be story.(can't make lateral move)
I will try to find the article but ryan was offered twice as much to be Jets DC and he said no. FAct Can't spin the truth. Listen No one wants to coach Jets, that why they have most inexperienced coaching staff or guys who couldn't even beg for a job(Tony wise). Tannebaum Interview " Why should I hire You. Mangini: Well I was Bellichik personal Gofer (Brokeback mountain) for 14 years. Tannebaum: Y{ou know BIll Bellichik. Thats good enough for me because Im accountant(working cap my specialty) Strike One.


Second It was On ESPn.com THe Petrino story. They ran the article and documented why he stayed in college. His son being starting qb on the state championship team, played a big role in his decision. Another fact (Want me to produce the article- a Number of Jet fans have sen the article and will confirm it for you. Strike Two.


Three NO real arguements ? I asked you lets compare both teams coaching staff and sees which one more impressive. You the one who keeps changing the subject. I want to debate this because I can give you facts on what each Raiders coach has accomplished and you know you can't. (thats what happens when you go for seven/eleven coaching specialty) Strike Three your Out

Btw very impressive coaching staff hiring assistants that played another position. R anderson - assistant WR coach B Cox- ssistant Dlinecoach. Whats next Joe Klecko- working with the DBs

[Sundayjack]

I will try to find the article but ryan was offered twice as much to be Jets DC and he said no. FAct Can't spin the truth.
Try typing the search terms into your computer, instead of your EasyBake Oven. When you find that twice-the-salary news clip, you get back to me, wontcha? Oh, and bring some of them tastey little cupcakes.


Second It was On ESPn.com THe Petrino story. They ran the article and documented why he stayed in college.
No, it was Adam Schefter. Unconfirmed anywhere else, of course, but it's a cute story. It makes not one lick of sense, but you Raiderfolk need to cling to such things. Bobby's son Nick tells his dad to turn down $19 Million. :rolleyes: Hehe. . . It's so silly, that I enjoy that you still type it now and then.


Deflecting again, Jeaux. Thanks for playin'. :)

[abyzmul]

Well. . . lets begin with the real nonsense.

First, find me a link that says Rob Ryan was offered double his salary to move to New York. He was under contract. I'm confident he was sought, but that would only make sense - they were assistants together in New England.

Second, this story about Bobby Petrino turning down the Radiers job because his teenage son told him to is yet another undocumented excuse. He turned them down. Not once - THREE times. THREE!!!

We let you play with us, Jeaux, even without any real good arguments. It's just that the line has to be set somewhere. Bring in all the heights, weights and 40 times you want; just don't keep repeating the made-up stuff.


THREE!!!

UNO DOS TRES!!!!



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One! One rejected job offer. . . . ah ah ah ah ah. . .
TWO!! Two rejected job offers. . . ah ah ah
THREE!!! Three Vunderful rejected job offers. . . ah ah ah ah ah. . .
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

[plinko]

Jeaux if you were a defense attorney, your client would be strangling you right about now.

[abyzmul]

YEa but that tree just like raider defense, didn't look that impressive early, but look real good later.(FA and draft)
Yeah, once they wrapped it in a bunch of tin foil and chicken wire. Sure sounds like the Raiders to me.

[Attyla]

jumped to last page. Here's the deal, until we see a game, both of our new co-ordinators are crap....or gold. You just dont know

But............Our coaching staff can beat up your coaching staff:beer:

[Raiderjoe]

Yeah, once they wrapped it in a bunch of tin foil and chicken wire. Sure sounds like the Raiders to me.

BUt it would still be better than Jets defense. Again there has to be a reason that r Ryan turned down Jets defensive job (Thats for twice as much pay)
I guess mangini and Money wasn't enough. You have to remember if Ryan wants a headcoaching job, he going to be judge by defense. Guess he thought he had better chance in Oakland. Again Manigini was hired and Ryan contract expired with raiders . YET He reupped with raiders. You do math 1+ 1 =2


mangini was so shocked that Jets still haven't official listed Bob sutton AS DC on their site. (yea he was first choice)

[abyzmul]

BUt it would still be better than Jets defense. Again there has to be a reason that r Ryan turned down Jets defensive job (Thats for twice as much pay)
I guess mangini and Money wasn't enough. You have to remember if Ryan wants a headcoaching job, he going to be judge by defense. Guess he thought he had better chance in Oakland. Again Manigini was hired and Ryan contract expired with raiders . YET He reupped with raiders. You do math 1+ 1 =2


mangini was so shocked that Jets still haven't official listed Bob sutton AS DC on their site. (yea he was first choice)
Jeaux, you can promise me the Raiders' defense will be better til you're blue in the face and it will continue to mean nothing. You predictions have already proven to be laughable.

[plinko]

Jeaux, you can promise me the Raiders' defense will be better til you're blue in the face and it will continue to mean nothing. You predictions have already proven to be laughable.
His, "Look who has the #1 rated defense", during preseason was pretty f'in funny.

[Raiderjoe]

Try typing the search terms into your computer, instead of your EasyBake Oven. When you find that twice-the-salary news clip, you get back to me, wontcha? Oh, and bring some of them tastey little cupcakes.



No, it was Adam Schefter. Unconfirmed anywhere else, of course, but it's a cute story. It makes not one lick of sense, but you Raiderfolk need to cling to such things. Bobby's son Nick tells his dad to turn down $19 Million. :rolleyes: Hehe. . . It's so silly, that I enjoy that you still type it now and then.


Deflecting again, Jeaux. Thanks for playin'. :)

Yes Adam Schefter had the report.. here is exerpt from C morthenson

ESPN.com's Chris Mortensen reports University of Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino confirmed that he turned down the Oakland Raiders head coaching job for a third time Wednesday, Feb. 8. The latest offer would have paid him $18 million over five years. Petrino told Mortensen that he was flattered by the Raiders' persistence but that he was committed to Louisville and did not feel his family was ready for a move. Petrino is the only coach to whom the Raiders have offered the position.


Did not feel is family(son was starting QB on state championship team) was ready to move. Petrino was the ONLY coach to whom Raiders have offered the position. Thanks Mort for proven what Ive been saying all along.

I guess you weren't good enough to play any kind of high school sports(Sundyjack) , because if you were you would know no athlethe would want to uproot ( start) over somewhere else(especially his last year in high school) I* guess when your still living in your Moms basement, you would move anywhere where she was moving too.(as lo0ng she payiong the Bills) Time to get a job and out from under your Mom's apron.

[Attyla]

Well, again, I dont think anyone has room to talk regarding coaching moves here. The Raiders may have made a great choice in Art, and that choice would trickle down to his assistants. Or Al may have dropped the ball. You just dont know until players hit the field.

It's not like the Jets have a great track record on coaching moves either. Herm has had his share of coaching snafu's and, if I remember correctly, you guys also hired Kotite at one point. Your new guy may or may not be the guy to take you to the promised land, but again, you just dont know.

I think you could bash the Raiders more easily for letting Gruden go rather than who they hired last month. At least we know what happened to the Raiders after Gruden left. Now, you can substitute Parcells in for Gruden and you can see where Im going.

When the Jets and or the Raiders go to the playoffs, then we will know who has made better coaching choices, and frankly, unless they settle the labor thing, that very well may not happen for a while

[Sundayjack]

BUt it would still be better than Jets defense. Again there has to be a reason that r Ryan turned down Jets defensive job (Thats for twice as much pay) {Fact Check: Rob Ryan was extended in the days immediately following Mangini's hire. No one knows if any job was offered by the Jets.}
I guess mangini and Money wasn't enough. You have to remember if Ryan wants a headcoaching job, he going to be judge by defense. Guess he thought he had better chance in Oakland. Again Manigini was hired and Ryan contract expired with raiders . YET He reupped with raiders. You do math 1+ 1 =2


mangini was so shocked that Jets still haven't official listed Bob sutton AS DC on their site. {Fact Check: Hehe. . . This is just silly. "Shocked" . . . . :). . . }(yea he was first choice)
Here's what I'm going to do. Every time you make something up, I'm going to highlight it and alert the masses. We try to have standards around here Jeauxsef.
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[Raiderjoe]

His, "Look who has the #1 rated defense", during preseason was pretty f'in funny.
Yea your prediction of Jets going to superbowl in 2005 was even funnier.

MY prediction was Jet defense would take a big step back. I correctly predicted that you weren't playing the same garbage teams(offense challenged) you did in 2004. Yet NO one believed. D henderson a Genius. Well one year later what happened.

[plinko]

Yea your prediction of Jets going to superbowl in 2005 was even funnier.

MY prediction was Jet defense would take a big step back. I correctly predicted that you weren't playing the same garbage teams(offense challenged) you did in 2004. Yet NO one believed. D henderson a Genius. Well one year later what happened.

I never predicted the Jets would go to the superbowl. There's a difference. My predictions are usually REALISTIC.

[Sundayjack]

ESPN.com's Chris Mortensen reports University of Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino confirmed that he turned down the Oakland Raiders head coaching job for a third time Wednesday, Feb. 8. The latest offer would have paid him $18 million over five years. Petrino told Mortensen that he was flattered by the Raiders' persistence but that he was committed to Louisville and did not feel his family was ready for a move. Petrino is the only coach to whom the Raiders have offered the position.

From that same article:University of Louisville coach Bobby Petrino confirmed that he turned down the Oakland Raiders job for the third time, including another proposal on Wednesday night that would have paid him $18 million over five years.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily. didn't turn down the job so his son can play high school football. No one does that, Jeaux. No one. You're crazed.

[Raiderjoe]

I never predicted the Jets would go to the superbowl. There's a difference. My predictions are usually REALISTIC. Did you or did you not predict Jets defense to be same or better in 2005 than 2004. I Love when you say you never made this predictions, when the database has been lost and we can't confirm or deny anything. Hey I could lie and say prove that I made any predictions,.

[Raiderjoe]

From that same article:

He didn't turn down the job so his son can play high school football. No one does that, Jeaux. No one. You're crazed.
Well You wrong because Bobby Petrino did it. Yet Adam Schefter reports that to be case. Thats unacceptable because it dosen't support Sunday jack claims. (sorry it dosen't work that way) That just tells me your living in your own little world. any concrete evidence I can give and you can say," I wasn't there and who knows if went down like that".

Get a Life.

[Sundayjack]

I think you could bash the Raiders more easily for letting Gruden go rather than who they hired last month. At least we know what happened to the Raiders after Gruden left. Now, you can substitute Parcells in for Gruden and you can see where Im going.

No no. . . Gruden leaving the Radiers was a different animal altogether, and it's a perfect example of management gone awry. Cuckoobananas Al Davis was so giddy that someone wanted to pay him to take John Gruden off his hands, his prostate must have popped. An up-and-coming coaching star, daring to seek more authority or, worse yet, more limelight? There'll be none of that in Oakland.

There'll also be no fans in the seats, but that's a thread for another day. :)

[Sundayjack]

Well You wrong because Bobby Petrino did it. Yet Adam Schefter reports that to be case. Thats unacceptable because it dosen't support Sunday jack claims. (sorry it dosen't work that way) That just tells me your living in your own little world. any concrete evidence I can give and you can say," I wasn't there and who knows if went down like that".

Get a Life.
To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.'m certain that, when a good coaching option comes around, Bobby Petrino will snap it up. No sense burning NFL bridges by calling Oakland what it really is - a dark, dank, coaching hellheauxl. So, yeah - his neat-o son Nicky-the-P wants to bang sophomore chicks for one more year. That lifetime jackpot can wait! HAH! That's rich.

It's not just that you're wrong, Jeaux. It's that the whole concept that you hungrily buy-into is so devoid of common sense. But I'll be here for a short while, if you want to still argue upstream. Then I have to go to the drycleaners and pick up my Life. I soiled it Friday night.

[jetophile]

Windshield washing homo? YAY! A Parcells thread! Time to rev up the dump truck. I...what? Hobo? Damn.

[AMJets]

Yea your prediction of Jets going to superbowl in 2005 was even funnier.

MY prediction was Jet defense would take a big step back. I correctly predicted that you weren't playing the same garbage teams(offense challenged) you did in 2004. Yet NO one believed. D henderson a Genius. Well one year later what happened.

You also predicted that the Jets run defense would be awful in 2004.
And that the Raiders defense would be better than the Jets defense last year.

Sad.

[AMJets]

mangini was so shocked that Jets still haven't official listed Bob sutton AS DC on their site. (yea he was first choice)

Too bad they officially announced it nearly two weeks ago.

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Sutton, 55, begins his seventh season with the Jets and his first as the team’s defensive coordinator.

Did you find that story about Ryan turning down the Jets job even though they offered him twice as much?

[NJRaider]

No no. . . Gruden leaving the Radiers was a different animal altogether, and it's a perfect example of management gone awry. Cuckoobananas Al Davis was so giddy that someone wanted to pay him to take John Gruden off his hands, his prostate must have popped. An up-and-coming coaching star, daring to seek more authority or, worse yet, more limelight? There'll be none of that in Oakland.

There'll also be no fans in the seats, but that's a thread for another day. :)

You are definitely high on the fumes of Joe's posts. You're calling out the Raiders for Gruden? When's the last time the Jets had the chance to fire a coach? Kotite? How long ago was that?

But maybe you're right and Al is crazy. You'd have to be crazy to think ANYONE would part with a first rounder for a role player like Doug Jolley. Right?...

[jetophile]

^Touche, of sorts. All is fair in something and something. At least Al Davis looks er, fashionable. But c'mon, you can't be happy in your current state of affairs - unless you like that sort of thing.

[plinko]

Did you find that story about Ryan turning down the Jets job even though they offered him twice as much?

Do you really think he's going to find it? I mean how hard is it to use google anyways.

[abyzmul]

Do you really think he's going to find it? I mean how hard is it to use google anyways.
I think it's pretty hard when you type with your feet.

[NJRaider]

^Touche, of sorts. All is fair in something and something. At least Al Davis looks er, fashionable. But c'mon, you can't be happy in your current state of affairs - unless you like that sort of thing.

Of course I'm not happy. Raider and Jet boards are full of complaints these days with good reason. I take my medicine from Chief, Bronco, and Charger fans with some regularity. But I have to draw the line somewhere, you guys are 4-12 too!

I'm not happy with a lot of what Davis has done, but put yourself in my shoes. This time last year the Raiders were well over the cap, like they always are. A lot of teams use that as an excuse. Davis found a way to pick up Moss, Jordan, Burgess, and trade their backup TE to get into the first round. If Bradway or Tannenbaum could pull off deals like that, do you think people would take kindly to me saying they're "in diapers" or "crazy"?

My problem is I come here knowing that Sundayjack is just pouring out lighter fluid to ignite Raiderjoe, and I wind up allowing myself to get burned! It's all in fun anyway...

[Attyla]

Sure, as a Fan, Im not very often happy in the last few years since the SB year. But, the great thing about the Raider Nation is while we will be critical of the team, we also know that Al is one step from pulling the trigger on some deal that will improve us to the point of dominance. We live in one of the absolute toughest divisions year in and year out, but have seemed to find our way to the playoffs in each decade, with us at least going to the AFC championship game in every decade since merger. Not too bad, there.

Al can be knocked for many things, but his passion for winning, coupled with his football knowledge and willingness to open the pockets is something I do respect.

But, on topic, being critical of the coaching changes from the Jets definately falls under the topic of pot calling the kettle black...or green if you will. We may have made the best or worst call on the coaching ladder this off season, but you know even less about your coaching changes than we do, since we at least have a track record to look at. Let's play a game before we annoint your guy and fire our guy, hmmm?

As for Gruden, at least we got some very high draft picks for him, that ultimately translated in us getting Moss. I would think the Jets would have loved to have gotten Moss for Herm.

Just opinions guys, thats all we have right now.

[Raiderjoe]

Too bad they officially announced it nearly two weeks ago.

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Did you find that story about Ryan turning down the Jets job even though they offered him twice as much?

YEs I found out where I saw information about Ryan being offered twice as much to be Jets DC. But IT was Raider source (usually right) who posted the information about Ryan(this was at time when NY media was speculating that Ryan would be named Jets DC) I can list what this source posted about the 1/2 more salary Jets offered ryan but obviously since its not from media outlet, your going to have your doubts. Heck your didn't believe stuff from NFL Network about Petrino.

I was so confident in this Raider source that I told numerous Jet fans that R Ryan would not be Jets DC. I can post this information supporting my claims.(look at time of posts)

[jetophile]

Of course I'm not happy. Raider and Jet boards are full of complaints these days with good reason. I take my medicine from Chief, Bronco, and Charger fans with some regularity. But I have to draw the line somewhere, you guys are 4-12 too!

I'm not happy with a lot of what Davis has done, but put yourself in my shoes....My problem is I come here knowing that Sundayjack is just pouring out lighter fluid to ignite Raiderjoe, and I wind up allowing myself to get burned! It's all in fun anyway...
Yes, 4 -12, but I harbor no false illusions - scratch that: I harbor no delusions of grandeur. I don 't think I speak out of turn by saying that most of us don't, which of course includes Sundayjack.

"Tell me about the rabbits, George. I mean, tell me about the Raiders, Joe." - because it is all in good fun indeed. :)

[plinko]

YEs I found out where I saw information about Ryan being offered twice as much to be Jets DC. But IT was Raider source (usually right) who posted the information about Ryan(this was at time when NY media was speculating that Ryan would be named Jets DC) I can list what this source posted about the 1/2 more salary Jets offered ryan but obviously since its not from media outlet, your going to have your doubts. Heck your didn't believe stuff from NFL Network about Petrino.

I was so confident in this Raider source that I told numerous Jet fans that R Ryan would not be Jets DC. I can post this information supporting my claims.(look at time of posts)

So you basically don't have any credible source. I have a source that says Al Davis had a sex change operation.

[jetophile]

So you basically don't have any credible source. I have a source that says Al Davis had a sex change operation.
Is it credible? I...oh. Right.

[Sundayjack]

YEs I found out where I saw information about Ryan being offered twice as much to be Jets DC. But IT was Raider source (usually right) who posted the information about Ryan(this was at time when NY media was speculating that Ryan would be named Jets DC) I can list what this source posted about the 1/2 more salary Jets offered ryan but obviously since its not from media outlet, your going to have your doubts. Heck your didn't believe stuff from NFL Network about Petrino.

I was so confident in this Raider source that I told numerous Jet fans that R Ryan would not be Jets DC. I can post this information supporting my claims.(look at time of posts)

:rolleyes: Jeaux. . . dude. We have to have some standards around here. You can't just tap the nearest guy dressed up as a pirate on the shoulder, and then call him a credible source.

And, yes, Adam Schefter did write a story about how Bobby Petrino's 16 year old son plays high school football. But Bobby Petrino didn't turn down the Radiers THREE To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily. times because his son Nicky the football hero told him to. That's ridiculous, and deep down you know that, Jeaux. It's one of those silly things that people say but (until now) nobody actually believes.

[plinko]

:rolleyes: Jeaux. . . dude. We have to have some standards around here. You can't just tap the nearest guy dressed up as a pirate on the shoulder, and then call him a credible source.

And, yes, Adam Schefter did write a story about how Bobby Petrino's 16 year old son plays high school football. But Bobby Petrino didn't turn down the Radiers THREE To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily. times because his son Nicky the football hero told him to. That's ridiculous, and deep down you know that, Jeaux. It's one of those silly things that people say but (until now) nobody actually believes.
That's the best emoticon I've ever seen. :rofl2:

[jetophile]

That's the best emoticon I've ever seen. :rofl2:
That's why reading through threads is important, plinko. An early riser, but a lazy bones?! Go back a page. :lol:

[GreenMachine]

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[abyzmul]

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So I had some fun with Al Davis' Wikipedia entry. Something tells me that pic won't last. But the proof will live on.

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[abyzmul]

Yeah, the pic doesn't show up. They're getting tighter with the editing. Funny stuff, though.

[Sundayjack]

Heh. Great photo. Shame about Wikipedia trying to get all responsible these days.

And thanks to whoever revived my favorite thread. :)

[plinko]

i miss jetophile

[abyzmul]

She isn't coming back.