5/11 RedSox @ Yankees Rubber Match

[EcKo151]

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Tim Wakefield 2-4 3.97 ERA

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Shawn Chacon 4-1 3.94 ERA

7:05 on ESPN.

After a rough 2 starts to the season, Chacon has calmed down and pitched like he did the end of last year. So far a pleasant surprise from a pitcher going from the NL to the AL. A solid #3 starter for the Yanks and another guy who can gain more confidence with a win over Boston.

Wakefield clearly missed Doug Mirabelli the start of the season, while Josh Bard had tremendous trouble catching the knuckleball. Now with Mirabelli back, Wakefield has pitched 2 good games getting that comfort zone with his catcher...

Lets go Yanks:beer:

[ShadeTree#55]

Go Sox........

[BIG COUNTRY]

Go Sox........
You never cease to amaze me

[ShadeTree#55]

Thanks....:)

[AMJets]

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Cy Moose.

[BIG COUNTRY]

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Cy Moose.
If Mel knew a thing or 2 then maybe our top 2 pitchers would be Cy Young candidates, however Mel didnt have a clue on how to fix Contreras.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Who needs a Cy young predictor? Just look at the "wins" leaderboard and you'll see how most people will vote.

That formula seems dubious anyway. Derrick Turnbow #3 in the NL last year? Time to do some re-evaluating fellas. 2004 is even worse, the top 2 in the NL were closers and 4 out of the top 6 in the NL were closers. For a formula that claims to predict cy young balloting it sure does a terrible job of handling closers(who aren't even considered 90% of the time)

[nyscene911]

Billy Wagner in the top 10 is all the proof I need to say that cy predictor is BS.

[AMJets]

The predictor uses a method created by Bill James and Rob Neyer, so I'm not sure how accurate it is in determining the winner, since the voters don't usually divulge much into statistical analysis. Regardless, Mussina is probably the early leader for the award at this time.

[ShadeTree#55]

And Glavine is the NL frontrunner for sure.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

The predictor uses a method created by Bill James and Rob Neyer, so I'm not sure how accurate it is in determining the winner, since the voters don't usually divulge much into statistical analysis. Regardless, Mussina is probably the early leader for the award at this time.

I think the problem is the saves multiplier is valued too highly. If a closer has 40 saves and 4 wins he'll get more "points" then a starter that wins 20 games. Also there's no penalty for blown saves in the formula.

[MSUJet85]

The predictor uses a method created by Bill James and Rob Neyer, so I'm not sure how accurate it is in determining the winner, since the voters don't usually divulge much into statistical analysis. Regardless, Mussina is probably the early leader for the award at this time.
As of right now, Contreras has Mosse beat

[AMJets]

As of right now, Contreras has Mosse beat

Factoring in the injury, I don't think that's the case. It's hard to judge how well Contreras will fare the rest of the way. Nagging injury, low K rate (although his G/F is good), so I don't know if he can last. Mussina just needs to stay healthy, and he will be in the race all the way.

[Jetfanmack]

There's no way of predicting a Cy Young award winner except for looking at wins. The whole method is so flawed that people make up reasons to vote for people, like "wins" and "mentality" and "what he brings to a mound." All these things are arbitrary, but it's a big reason why people vote the way they do.

Look at Bartolo Colon over Johan Santana.

Colon: 222.2 IP, 215 H, 26 HR, 157 Ks, .254 BAA, 1.16 WHIP, 3.48 ERA.

Santana: 231.2 IP, 180 H, 22 HR, 238 Ks, .210 BAA, 0.97 WHIP, 2.87 ERA.

Colon just had a better offense and a better bullpen, so he won. Santana was better in every category.

[AMJets]

1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Jason Giambi, DH
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, LF
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Miguel Cairo, 1B
9. Bubba Crosby, RF

S. Chacon, SP

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Crosby. Eww.

[ButtleMan]

1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Jason Giambi, DH
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, LF
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Miguel Cairo, 1B
9. Bubba Crosby, RF

S. Chacon, SP

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Crosby. Eww.

Joe's not sending Melky against the Knuckleball?????

[AMJets]

Joe's not sending Melky against the Knuckleball?????

Guess not. I don't understand why he's not in there, it's not like Bubba has a better chance of doing anything with it. Atleast Melky has plate discipline.

[ShadeTree#55]

Could they give the kid a break and start him against the Royals or Tampa.

Second time he was called up and throw right into this sideshow.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

ouch, Miguel Cairo 1B

just seeing that drags me back into the dregs of last season with the Mets

[ButtleMan]

Guess not. I don't understand why he's not in there, it's not like Bubba has a better chance of doing anything with it. Atleast Melky has plate discipline.


Sorry man, I thought the sarcasm in my post oozed out.
No way should Melky be in there against Wakefield. He shouldnt of even been in against Schilling.
Bubba's is more experienced and has faced him before.

vs Wakefield (Career) 2-6 0hr .667obp .333slg .333ba

[ButtleMan]

ouch, Miguel Cairo 1B

just seeing that drags me back into the dregs of last season with the Mets


No shit but Cairo is also the backup to the other IF positions. I would love to see Carlos Pena at first tonight or at least have Bernie start taking some reps at first so he can play there when Giambi DH's.

[AMJets]

Sorry man, I thought the sarcasm in my post oozed out.
No way should Melky be in there against Wakefield. He shouldnt of even been in against Schilling.
Bubba's is more experienced and has faced him before.

vs Wakefield (Career) 2-6 0hr .667obp .333slg .333ba

Well I disagree, considering Crosby shouldn't even be on the team. Cabrera is a better hitter, I don't really care about Crosby's two hits in six ABs, too small a sample size to put him in there when Cabrera is the better offensive option.

[JetsRangersYanks]

No shit but Cairo is also the backup to the other IF positions. I would love to see Carlos Pena at first tonight or at least have Bernie start taking some reps at first so he can play there when Giambi DH's.

Carlos Pena is batting .219 in Columbus right now, it seems sad but I'd rather play Miggy at first when Giambi DH's.

[EcKo151]

Could they give the kid a break and start him against the Royals or Tampa.

Second time he was called up and throw right into this sideshow.
You've been listenting to Mike and the Maddog

[ShadeTree#55]

Why they said that? Its common sense really.

[GreenMachine]

Why they said that? Its common sense really.
Never thought I would say this......

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[dwalsh]

In comes Melky for Matsui...

EDIT: O guess Bernie... my bad. Just thought that he would be because they want him to get at bats, but why against a knuckleball?

[AMJets]

If it's broken, I will cry.

[AMJets]

Bernie over Melky?!

Great. And people bitch about Melky's defense.

[10nyjets87]

NOOO!! it cant be broken he didnt even flinch

[AMJets]

Can't even focus on this game right now, I have a bad feeling about that wrist.

[AMJets]

Updated lineup:

Damon CF
Jeter SS
Giambi DH
A-Rod 3B
Williams RF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cairo 1B
Crosby LF

[MisterMoss]

What happened? I'm not watching. What happened?

[AMJets]

What happened? I'm not watching. What happened?

Matsui dove for a ball, and his wrist rolled back. His wrist was totally limp, and it did not look good when he left the field.

[AMJets]

2 run single JoPo!

[MisterMoss]

Matsui dove for a ball, and his wrist rolled back. His wrist was totally limp, and it did not look good when he left the field.
Oh God. I guess Melky will be around for longer than we would've liked. And that streak looks like is over.

[MisterMoss]

Bernie over Melky?!

Great. And people bitch about Melky's defense.
I think Bernie got picked over Melky to keep the lineup some sort of order in the lineup. Bernie fits a little better at the 5 spot than Melky.

[jkgrandchamp]

Matsuis run ends damn
1768 1250 Giants 518 Yankees

[jkgrandchamp]

So when will they announce the extent

[10nyjets87]

he broke his foot.... i just know it

[10nyjets87]

well in all seriousness he is going to hospital and they said hes in a sling.

[jkgrandchamp]

he broke his foot.... i just know it
You are joking right

[AMJets]

he broke his foot.... i just know it

His foot? Don't you mean wrist?

[AMJets]

Where did Bubba learn to do that?

[dwalsh]

BBBBBUBBBBAAAAAAAA!!!!

and what ups by Nixon!

[AMJets]

Crosby saving us.

[Penny2Moss]

why isnt bubba the #1 backup again?

[AMJets]

why isnt bubba the #1 backup again?

Again, because Cabrera was called up and his Columbus ABs are being taken away, he is going to play the majority of the games with the Yankees.

[AMJets]

Damon robs him.

[Pennythetowelboy]

whats the score?

[Jetfanmack]

Sturtze has allowed 8 homers in 45 ABs to Manny. Crazy.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Nice play by Cano.

[Jetfanmack]

CANO! Way to play the popup!

[Jetfanmack]

Ron Villone, you are the MAN.

[jkgrandchamp]

Matsui OUT FOR AWHILE DAMN surgery

[Exit 117]

Yeah, fractured wrist for Matsui. Poor Yankees OF.

[MisterMoss]

I wonder what will be on the front pages in Japan tomorrow (factor in time difference)

[dwalsh]

whats the score?

R | H | E
Yankees: 3 | 6 | 1
Red Sox: 2 | 9 | 0

Top 7, 1 out, Runner on 1st

[jkgrandchamp]

Hes getting pins inserted tomorrow

[jkgrandchamp]

I wonder what will be on the front pages in Japan tomorrow (factor in time difference)
Godzillas record streak ends . Godzilla faces season ending surgery .

[MisterMoss]

Damn Cairo :(

[Cellar-door]

ok someone watching the game explain to me how 2 runs scored on an infield single.

[MisterMoss]

ok someone watching the game explain to me how 2 runs scored on an infield single.
Runners didn't need to stop with 2 outs, and the ball got away from Cairo after it popped out of his glove.

[MisterMoss]

According to rule 10:24 (C), a consecutive games played streak is extended when a player plays one-half inning on defense or has a plate appearance at bat. Since he accomplished neither, the Japanese star's streak - a major league record for consecutive games played to start a career - was halted.

Matsui's professional streak ends at 1,768 games. He played in 1,250 consecutive contests for the Yomiuri Giants in Japan before signing with the Yankees in December 2002.

[The Dark Knight]

Cairo blows it as usual.

[Murrell2878]

Papelbon rules!!!

[Exit 117]

Rivera lets up a run in the top of the 9th...

[The Dark Knight]

Damn you Rivera!

[Murrell2878]

thheeeeeeeeeeeee Red Sox win!!! Thheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Red Sox win!!!

[jkgrandchamp]

Rivera lets up a run in the top of the 9th...
Didnt matter it wasnt a save situation and the Yanks were losing

[Cakes]

According to rule 10:24 (C), a consecutive games played streak is extended when a player plays one-half inning on defense or has a plate appearance at bat. Since he accomplished neither, the Japanese star's streak - a major league record for consecutive games played to start a career - was halted.

Matsui's professional streak ends at 1,768 games. He played in 1,250 consecutive contests for the Yomiuri Giants in Japan before signing with the Yankees in December 2002.


Asinine rule.

I also abhor the one where a hitting streak is continued if a batter goes 0-0 with two walks. Or he gets plunked in his first plate appearance and leaves the game.
He played in the game and did not record a base hit!!!! Streak over!!!!

I also don't understand how coaches could miss a game and still get credit for the win or loss. I believe Pat Riley and Larry Brown missed games this season due to family and/or health reasons, but I believe both of them got credit for 82 regular season games.
Same thing with Joe Torre that year when he was out for the first 36 games. Don Zimmer didn't get credit for managing the team. Torre apparently managed the first 36 games from the hospital or his home.
Ridiculous.

[AMJets]

Matsui out 3 months. Why in the hell was Kevin "Offensively I make Bubba Crosby look like Ted Williams" Reese called up over Kevin Thompson? Ugh. This night gets better and better.

[Cellar-door]

Matsui out 3 months. Why in the hell was Kevin "Offensively I make Bubba Crosby look like Ted Williams" Reese called up over Kevin Thompson? Ugh. This night gets better and better.
3 months seems to be the low end, cashman said it might be the season

[Penny2Moss]

They better let Bubba play left damnit

[nyjunc]

As long as it's not the season thsi may not be a abd thing, if he can get back by Septemeber he'll have that time to round back into form and be fresh for October. We can survuve as long as the pitching holds up and outside of randy it's been good.

Tough loss but a fun game, if cairo can hold onto that ball we probably win but we blew chances w/ RISP late.

[ButtleMan]

I expect Matsui to be out much longer than 3 months but I think that it will be a good thing for the Yankees as long as they(george) dont do something rash (like acquiring Huff for Hughes).
Melky becomes your everyday LF and Crosby becomes your everday RF until Sheff is back.
This does improve the outfield defense since all 3 can cover tons of ground out there and offensively this makes Joe manage a game again instead of handing in the lineup and napping.
They cant rely on the 3 run homer anymore. Joe needs to go back to small ball. Stealing bases, moving the runners over and with those 2 guys, it can be done.
This was best shown when Crosby scored from second on Jeters shallow single. Crosby had originally stolen 2nd and with his speed he was able to score, draw the throw home which allowed Jeter to take second.
Could Sheff, Matsui, Posada, Giambi etc scored from second on that? I dont think so. Ball would have been cut off and its 1st and 3rd with 2 outs instead of a run scoring.
Joe better go back into his diary to remember how he used to manage a game.

[Exit 117]

Didnt matter it wasnt a save situation and the Yanks were losing
Yeah, it did. It was a 1-run game, which isn't so bad against a rookie closer (who was 12/12, which means he had a blown save coming).

[typeOnegative13NY]

went to the game. I took my daughter who's favorite player is Matsui. Go figure. Had a great time,though. I hope we don't go sign an outfielder. When Sheff gets back we have more than enough bats in the lineup to get it done. Use Crosby dammit! He has more than proved he is worthy of a shot at everyday. If sign anyone,it needs to be a starter.

[Exit 117]

went to the game. I took my daughter who's favorite player is Matsui. Go figure. Had a great time,though. I hope we don't go sign an outfielder. When Sheff gets back we have more than enough bats in the lineup to get it done. Use Crosby dammit! He has more than proved he is worthy of a shot at everyday. If sign anyone,it needs to be a starter.
I can't understand why Cabrera was getting playing time over Crosby anyway. Maybe they're trying to raise his value for trade bait, but otherwise, no idea.

[Penny2Moss]

Bubba is probably the best defensive outfielder we have he needs to be starting while matsui is out, and i think if he got to play a little more his bat would really come around too.

[typeOnegative13NY]

I can't understand why Cabrera was getting playing time over Crosby anyway. Maybe they're trying to raise his value for trade bait, but otherwise, no idea.
absolutely. Maybe Melky will be a great player,maybe he won't. But this is not the time for trial and error. Crosby has earned the spot,and with regularity,he will be only better yet.

[ButtleMan]

absolutely. Maybe Melky will be a great player,maybe he won't. But this is not the time for trial and error. Crosby has earned the spot,and with regularity,he will be only better yet.

The thing to remember is this is most likely Sheff's last year with the Yankees. I dont see an extension coming so you need to see just what Melky can do and what his status with the team will be.
Whether that is the starting RF next year or trade bait, you wont know anything unless he plays.

Melky - Damon - Crosby until Sheff gets back and then Melky - Damon - Sheff.

[typeOnegative13NY]

The thing to remember is this is most likely Sheff's last year with the Yankees. I dont see an extension coming so you need to see just what Melky can do and what his status with the team will be.
Whether that is the starting RF next year or trade bait, you wont know anything unless he plays.

Melky - Damon - Crosby until Sheff gets back and then Melky - Damon - Sheff.
Yeah,since we have 2 open spots in te OF,you are right. He will get a shot. But if we are in a race mid-end season.and he isn't producing,It's gotta be Crosby-Damon-Sheff until Matsui gets back. I'm not so sure if matsui will be able to come back this year. that rehab is going to be brutal.

[ButtleMan]

Yeah,since we have 2 open spots in te OF,you are right. He will get a shot. But if we are in a race mid-end season.and he isn't producing,It's gotta be Crosby-Damon-Sheff until Matsui gets back. I'm not so sure if matsui will be able to come back this year. that rehab is going to be brutal.

I wont be surprised if Matsui is done for the year. 3 months goes to August and I think that he will be in a cast until then if it is broken. Then the Re-hab.
You have to find out now what Melky can do and if he has any trade value. He would have more value than Bubba does and we will need BP help by then.

I also have to wonder if Phillips had been at first if he would have been able to hold onto Jeter's throw.
I have always thought that Bubba and Phillips need to get more PT.

[typeOnegative13NY]

I wont be surprised if Matsui is done for the year. 3 months goes to August and I think that he will be in a cast until then if it is broken. Then the Re-hab.
You have to find out now what Melky can do and if he has any trade value. He would have more value than Bubba does and we will need BP help by then.

I also have to wonder if Phillips had been at first if he would have been able to hold onto Jeter's throw.
I have always thought that Bubba and Phillips need to get more PT.I was thinking the same thing last night at the game. Why,atleast after Cairo K'ed twice,was Phillips not put in? That play,the throw from Jeter was the dagger.

[EcKo151]

Rumor is Cashman is looking at Jose Guillen, Bobby Abreu, and MAYBE Alfonso Soriano...

A guy who makes chump change that can play OF...Miguel Cabrera. But Florida is gonna want Hughes and someone else at the least IMO

[Cakes]

Cabrera to the Yankees? Yeah, that'll be the day.

[EcKo151]

Cabrera to the Yankees? Yeah, that'll be the day.
That's why it's a rumor.

[hazmat]

Maybe Stienbrenner will buy the Marlins and then you can have Cabrera.

[BIG COUNTRY]

I dont wanna give up Hughes either, that guy will anchor or rotation for about 15 years when he's called up. Although Id love Cabrera, just stick with Crosby and Melky, were fine with them for now.

[Cellar-door]

A guy who makes chump change that can play OF...Miguel Cabrera. But Florida is gonna want Hughes and someone else at the least IMO
Wow understatement of the day, hmmm one of the best OF in the league, just turned 24..... The Yankees have absolutely nothing to offer for him, he blows away any prospects they have, and the Marlins won't take on salary, no way to get that done

[ShadeTree#55]

15 Years? I can think of 2 top starters that has been with his team that long.

[ShadeTree#55]

Jose Guillen and Sheff in the same clubhouse. I am drooling.

[BIG COUNTRY]

15 Years? I can think of 2 top starters that has been with his team that long.
This guy will be our ace for the next 45-47 years:breakdance:

[jonnyd]

the season is lost...we are not making the playoffs...you heard it hear first..all you guys with blinders on will rip me,but its true...we continue to assemble a fantasy team instead of a baseball team.....we dont have the pitching guys.we dont have the defense.melky and bubba in the outfield everyday....nah,that scumbag torre will have his boyfriend bernie in there everyday so he can lose every ounce of self-respect he has left...the sox have better pitching than we do,better defense than we do(which isnt too hard) and their "big bats" are WAAAY more clutch than ours...cleveland will win the wildcard and we will be home for the playoffs no doubt....maybe at least theyll fire that shitbag torre once and for all

[jkgrandchamp]

the season is lost...we are not making the playoffs...you heard it hear first..all you guys with blinders on will rip me,but its true...we continue to assemble a fantasy team instead of a baseball team.....we dont have the pitching guys.we dont have the defense.melky and bubba in the outfield everyday....nah,that scumbag torre will have his boyfriend bernie in there everyday so he can lose every ounce of self-respect he has left...the sox have better pitching than we do,better defense than we do(which isnt too hard) and their "big bats" are WAAAY more clutch than ours...cleveland will win the wildcard and we will be home for the playoffs no doubt....maybe at least theyll fire that shitbag torre once and for all
Torre is done Sweat Lou will be Manager next year!

[Cakes]

That's why it's a rumor.


What the hell then? I'll start some asinine ones, too.

Jake Peavy to the Mets for Jose Valentin.
Andruw Jones to the Yankees for Bubba Crosby.

[typeOnegative13NY]

the season is lost...we are not making the playoffs...you heard it hear first..all you guys with blinders on will rip me,but its true...we continue to assemble a fantasy team instead of a baseball team.....we dont have the pitching guys.we dont have the defense.melky and bubba in the outfield everyday....nah,that scumbag torre will have his boyfriend bernie in there everyday so he can lose every ounce of self-respect he has left...the sox have better pitching than we do,better defense than we do(which isnt too hard) and their "big bats" are WAAAY more clutch than ours...cleveland will win the wildcard and we will be home for the playoffs no doubt....maybe at least theyll fire that shitbag torre once and for all
Sometimes adversity can be good for a team,especially one like the Yankees. You have a vet ballclub made up of stars and it breeds a lazy mentality. Now were gonna mix in some youth because we are forced to. Don 't throw the towel in like that. The season is very young,and this is the yankees were talkin 'bout. The Yankees will win the East,mark my words.

[ShadeTree#55]

Torre is done Sweat Lou will be Manager next year!

So he can Yell at Arod for whiffing in big spots, it really worked in Tampa.

[MisterMoss]

Matsui is cool:

"Due to the injury, I feel very sorry and, at the same time, very disappointed to have let my teammates down," Matsui said through an interpreter. "I would like to thank (Yankees manager) Joe Torre from the bottom of my heart for having been considerate of my consecutive games played streak these past several years and for placing me in the lineup every day."

[BIG COUNTRY]

Matsui is cool:

"Due to the injury, I feel very sorry and, at the same time, very disappointed to have let my teammates down," Matsui said through an interpreter. "I would like to thank (Yankees manager) Joe Torre from the bottom of my heart for having been considerate of my consecutive games played streak these past several years and for placing me in the lineup every day."
I really like Matsui, its amazing how he apologizes for going full out on a play and then we have guys like A-rod choking in the clutch. Matsui seems like a really cool guy.

[wildthing2022000]

What the hell then? I'll start some asinine ones, too.

Jake Peavy to the Mets for Jose Valentin.
Andruw Jones to the Yankees for Bubba Crosby.

Dontrelle Willis and Cabrera to the Red Sox for David Wells and Trot Nixon
Clemens to sign with Boston
Sosa will sign with the Yankees
Eddie Guardado to Yankees for Rivera

[CulliganMan]

wait what?

[CulliganMan]

whoops ... that did it

[Cakes]

Clemens to sign with Boston

Oh goodness gracious!!!