5/10 RedSox @ Yankees Game Thread

[EcKo151]

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Curt Schilling 5-1 3.02 ERA

VS.

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Mike Mussina 5-1 2.35 ERA

7:05 on ESPN.

Both pitchers came into the year big question marks due to their sub-par 2005 season and age...Both have been pitching great and now square off against eachother.

Moose has shut down good lineups this year such as Toronto(2x), Anaheim and Oakland. And in his loss outing this year, it was pretty good, 6 2/3 innings 3 ER against Minnesota.

I've never been a big fan of Mussina. But a win tonight against Schilling will suade me to be more confident in him rather than me wait for his meltdown outing that is due...Lets tie the series up:beer:

[ShadeTree#55]

Go Sox!!!!!!!!

[EcKo151]

Go Sox!!!!!!!!
:rofl2: :lol: :rofl2: Pathetic.

[ShadeTree#55]

Like Randy?

[nyjunc]

Like Randy?

How did the Mets do last night? That once "insurmountable" lead has dwindled down to 3. Why does Pedro struggle against the Phils?

and what's up w/ Mets announcers wearing rally caps in the booth?

[EcKo151]

Like Randy?
Yes, he was pathetic. So basically you're admitting that your pathetic...

Classic.

[ShadeTree#55]

Mets first place best record in NL.

[Sundayjack]

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[nyjunc]

Mets first place best record in NL.

only 1 game in the L column ahead of the Yanks and the Mets have played "great" while the Yanks have been up and down.

[nyjunc]

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[nyjunc]

Already 2-0 Sox as that fat bastard Grape Ape does it again.:mad: Hopefully we see a reverse of last night when the yanks led 2-0 then got killed.

[10nyjets87]

damon struck out on purpose :mad: what a lazy swing.

[10nyjets87]

arod sucks ass

[BIG COUNTRY]

They f**kin own our ass in May.

[Exit 117]

This series has been crap for me. Varitek on 2 or 3 teams, Randy on one, and Mussina on one. Can anyone do good?!

[10nyjets87]

mike is pitching like moose shit!

[MisterMoss]

You know, that first inning by Mussina was brilliant. He threw almost every pitch on the spot. He was up in the count 0-2 a couple of times. Ortiz is just that good.

[Dirtywater]

Already 2-0 Sox as that fat bastard Grape Ape does it again.:mad: Hopefully we see a reverse of last night when the yanks led 2-0 then got killed.

Yikes! Are you calling Ortiz an ape?! :ohmy:

[dwalsh]

MELKY!!!!

thats the way to work the count on Schilling

[10nyjets87]

:lol: melky ''way'' cabrera

[10nyjets87]

Yikes! Are you calling Ortiz an ape?! :ohmy:
its ok hes spanish :up:

[dwalsh]

i hate the Sox's right fielders....

Willy Mo Pena yesterday and Manny today each with nice/lucky run-saving catches

[AMJets]

Giambi rocks.

[typeOnegative13NY]

damn,I'm starting to like Giambi again. Arod,take notes!

[MisterMoss]

Who is A-Rod? :(

[AMJets]

Who is A-Rod? :(

It's amazing how the best all-around player of the past 20+ years (minimum) can have such a mental block in big spots.

[10nyjets87]

routine play for jeter :wink:

[AMJets]

He finally did it!

[10nyjets87]

that was a blast and a half

[Dierking]

Show of hands: Who thought that was clutch?

[MisterMoss]

Was that a tiebreaking homer by Arod?

That's a first, or a second.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

The Mets thread has more posts then the Yankees thread? I thought NY/BOS was the best rivalry in the game?

I'm just busting your balls guys... the Mets game is getting boring so I'm over here now. Looks like it's going to be another great game down to the wire...

[nyjunc]

Yikes! Are you calling Ortiz an ape?! :ohmy:

No, Grape Ape:

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ARod FINALLY comes through, Yanks up 4-3.

[AMJets]

JoPo strikes!

[10nyjets87]

back! back! back! GONE~!~!~!~!

[nyjunc]

Jorge hits a 2 run HR! Yanks up 6-3. Old ketchup sock is getting rocked!

[MisterMoss]

The Mets thread has more posts then the Yankees thread? I thought NY/BOS was the best rivalry in the game?

I'm just busting your balls guys... the Mets game is getting boring so I'm over here now. Looks like it's going to be another great game down to the wire...
Hehe. I know you're busting our balls, but the top 2 non-football game threads on this forum are Yankees vs. Angels during last year's division series. That was some game thread. Too bad they were deleted with the crash.

[MisterMoss]

Woah!!!!!!!!

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Damn Schilling sucks tonight... maybe they can trade him to the Mets for Lima who only allowed 4 runs in 5 innings (with 2 of them the umps fault) in his last start.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Giambi playing defense Ryan Howard style...

[typeOnegative13NY]

Jorge hits a 2 run HR! Yanks up 6-3. Old ketchup sock is getting rocked!
old ketchup sock:rofl2:

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Hehe. I know you're busting our balls, but the top 2 non-football game threads on this forum are Yankees vs. Angels during last year's division series. That was some game thread. Too bad they were deleted with the crash.
Well if the board was around during Ventura's "grand slam single" game in 1999 that thread would likely be beaten. 15 amazin' innings!

[MisterMoss]

Well if the board was around during Ventura's "grand slam single" game in 1999 that thread would likely be beaten. 15 amazin' innings!
You got that right :up:

[AMJets]

Bernie goes shopping at the gap.

[AMJets]

Damon finally gets some luck on his side.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

You got that right :up:
As a younger fan, I became a fan in the wildcard play-in game against the Reds that year and I became a fan for life in the Ventura game. To date, still the best game I have ever seen.

[AMJets]

Great job by Moose.

[MisterMoss]

As a younger fan, I became a fan in the wildcard play-in game against the Reds that year and I became a fan for life in the Ventura game. To date, still the best game I have ever seen.
Yeah. I bet. I'd love to see a replay of that game. I remember watching it at my friend's house. My recollection of baseball goes back to 1993 World Series with Toronto and the Phillies. I became a Yankee fan during the 1995 playoff when they lost to the Mariners. I really don't remember anything about New York baseball before 1995, but for some reason, i remember watching that 1993 World Series. Don't ask.:breakdance:

[AMJets]

Proctor has become a huge weapon in the pen. I can't wait until Dotel gets back, this bullpen will be dominant.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

The Yankees are playing great tonight. Play like this every night and they'll beat the shit out of the Red Sox on a night to night basis. Problem is... do they have another starter that can do this good?

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Julian Tavarez? He's still alive? Damn he looks like he's 105 as usual.

[AMJets]

The Yankees are playing great tonight. Play like this every night and they'll beat the shit out of the Red Sox on a night to night basis. Problem is... do they have another starter that can do this good?

With this lineup and bullpen, they need guys who can go 6 innings and only give up 3 runs, and they'll be fine. I think Wang and Chacon can do that, easily.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

With this lineup and bullpen, they need guys who can go 6 innings and only give up 3 runs, and they'll be fine. I think Wang and Chacon can do that, easily.
You're right,but guys like Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, and yes - Randy Johnson are just not capable of it. Wang and Chacon seem a little erratic to me too... I think the Yankees need one or two more pitchers to step up so they can still win the games when the offense scores 3 runs (which the Yankees have actually done often this year).

[DonnieIsTheKing]

You're right,but guys like Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, and yes - Randy Johnson are just not capable of it. Wang and Chacon seem a little erratic to me too... I think the Yankees need one or two more pitchers to step up so they can still win the games when the offense scores 3 runs (which the Yankees have actually done often this year).
Most of the edit glitch things have been from prominant posters... but who the hell is 10Chad2JMacAttack81? That name is long and would look better if it had a pattern (like 10Chad281JMacAttack) instead of a bunch of words thrown in there.

[AMJets]

Very nice performance by all tonight.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Yanks really needed that win. It was beginning to look like they had some sort of "Mental block" against the Sox.

[MisterMoss]

This one's for George

[EcKo151]

Proctor has become a huge weapon in the pen. I can't wait until Dotel gets back, this bullpen will be dominant.
I don't know about dominant. Despite the very good start with Proctor this year, I still have my doubts and am not quite confident in him. Right now, the only guy i'm confident in is Mariano.

Tanya is a joke...Myers and Villone are average...Farnsworthless has been below average...Small is pretty much dying...Dotel can bolster this pen back up, and Proctor-Dotel/Farnsworth to Mariano seems good...But I want to see Proctor do this another month or so.

Moose...What can I say. He shut me up tonight and this year. 1st AL 6-game winner, and after the HR's to Ortiz and Lowell I thought bad about Moose, then he settled down and pitched like he has this whole year...Very good.

[Drew]

I was there tonight. Awesome game.

So much fun in the bleachers when they play the Sox and awesome on the train. :lol:

[AMJets]

I don't know about dominant. Despite the very good start with Proctor this year, I still have my doubts and am not quite confident in him. Right now, the only guy i'm confident in is Mariano.

Tanya is a joke...Myers and Villone are average...Farnsworthless has been below average...Small is pretty much dying...Dotel can bolster this pen back up, and Proctor-Dotel/Farnsworth to Mariano seems good...But I want to see Proctor do this another month or so.

Moose...What can I say. He shut me up tonight and this year. 1st AL 6-game winner, and after the HR's to Ortiz and Lowell I thought bad about Moose, then he settled down and pitched like he has this whole year...Very good.

Farnsworth has been below average? How? Aside from two suspect appearences against Minnesota and Texas, he has been great. Proctor-Farnsworth-Dotel-Rivera has the chance to be dominant, without a doubt. I'm still not completely sold on Proctor, but the adjustments he made this off-season were well documented, so he very well could be legit. Farnsworth has been good, Dotel at the worst could be "good", and his upside is to be the best setup man in baseball, and of course, Rivera is Rivera.

[MisterMoss]

10p, Dotel hasn't been the Dotel you want to think about for many years now. By all means, I'm curious to see what he does, but look at these:


Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
2001 HOU 61 4 7 5 2 0 0 105.0 79 35 31 5 47 145 2.66 1.20 .205
2002 HOU 83 0 6 4 6 0 0 97.1 58 21 20 7 27 118 1.85 0.87 .173
2003 HOU 76 0 6 4 4 0 0 87.0 53 25 24 9 31 97 2.48 0.97 .172
2004 HOU 32 0 0 4 14 0 0 34.2 27 15 12 4 15 50 3.12 1.21 .213
2004 OAK 45 0 6 2 22 0 0 50.2 41 23 23 9 18 72 4.09 1.16 .220
2005 OAK 15 0 1 2 7 0 0 15.1 10 6 6 2 11 16 3.52 1.37 .185

I mean, good wouldn't be what I would describe as his worst case scenerio. I'm excited about the possibilities, and it's certainly worth the risk, but his days as being a premier set up man could be a stretch, I think.

[AMJets]

10p, Dotel hasn't been the Dotel you want to think about for many years now. By all means, I'm curious to see what he does, but look at these:


Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
2001 HOU 61 4 7 5 2 0 0 105.0 79 35 31 5 47 145 2.66 1.20 .205
2002 HOU 83 0 6 4 6 0 0 97.1 58 21 20 7 27 118 1.85 0.87 .173
2003 HOU 76 0 6 4 4 0 0 87.0 53 25 24 9 31 97 2.48 0.97 .172
2004 HOU 32 0 0 4 14 0 0 34.2 27 15 12 4 15 50 3.12 1.21 .213
2004 OAK 45 0 6 2 22 0 0 50.2 41 23 23 9 18 72 4.09 1.16 .220
2005 OAK 15 0 1 2 7 0 0 15.1 10 6 6 2 11 16 3.52 1.37 .185

I mean, good wouldn't be what I would describe as his worst case scenerio. I'm excited about the possibilities, and it's certainly worth the risk, but his days as being a premier set up man could be a stretch, I think.

He won't be asked to close here, like he was in Oakland. As a set-up man, or even middle reliever, he has been dominant.

[nyjunc]

I don't know about dominant. Despite the very good start with Proctor this year, I still have my doubts and am not quite confident in him. Right now, the only guy i'm confident in is Mariano.

Tanya is a joke...Myers and Villone are average...Farnsworthless has been below average...Small is pretty much dying...Dotel can bolster this pen back up, and Proctor-Dotel/Farnsworth to Mariano seems good...But I want to see Proctor do this another month or so.

Moose...What can I say. He shut me up tonight and this year. 1st AL 6-game winner, and after the HR's to Ortiz and Lowell I thought bad about Moose, then he settled down and pitched like he has this whole year...Very good.

Proctor is making me believe everytime he pitches, he ahs been outstanding. Frnsworht has been good, not great, and if Dotel can contribute this year we'll have good epth plus a couple of decent matchup relievers.

[JetsVilma28]

Go Yankees. Sturze needs to disapear from baseball though

[EcKo151]

Proctor is making me believe everytime he pitches, he ahs been outstanding. Frnsworht has been good, not great, and if Dotel can contribute this year we'll have good epth plus a couple of decent matchup relievers.
I just don't like how Farnsworth relies way too much on his fastball when he's behind in the count. Yes it hits 97-98, but his slider is nasty...He gets behind and goes to his fastball which can be hit, his control gets wild at times...I'm just not confident in him as I was Gordon...We'll see.

[nyjunc]

I just don't like how Farnsworth relies way too much on his fastball when he's behind in the count. Yes it hits 97-98, but his slider is nasty...He gets behind and goes to his fastball which can be hit, his control gets wild at times...I'm just not confident in him as I was Gordon...We'll see.

can he be worse than Gordon was in a big spot? Gordon was lights out against teams like the Royals but in big reg season games and in the postseason he was a joke. We might miss him during the dog days oft he reg season but for sure we will not miss him come October.

[ShadeTree#55]

And Farnsworth was great for the Braves?

[nyjunc]

And Farnsworth was great for the Braves?

No but what are we really losing? Gordon was a joke in postseason so we are absically int he same spot. Now if proctor is for real and Dotel can give us something we'll have a heck of a pen and not need to rely so much on Kyle.

[ButtleMan]

And Farnsworth was great for the Braves?

He was very good for the Braves and Tigers last year.

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[ButtleMan]

Here is a different one. Neither of them have blown saves though but it seems that last year was his best year of his career.

Kyle Farnsworth Pitching Stats

Year Team G GS GF W L PCT ERA CG SHO SV IP BFP H ER R HR BB IBB SO WP HBP BK HLD
1999 Cubs 27 21 1 5 9 .357 5.05 1 1 0 130.0 579 140 73 80 28 52 1 70 7 3 1 0
2000 Cubs 46 5 8 2 9 .182 6.43 0 0 1 77.0 371 90 55 58 14 50 8 74 3 4 0 6
2001 Cubs 76 0 24 4 6 .400 2.74 0 0 2 82.0 339 65 25 26 8 29 2 107 2 1 2 24
2002 Cubs 45 0 17 4 6 .400 7.33 0 0 1 46.2 213 53 38 47 9 24 7 46 1 1 0 6
2003 Cubs 77 0 13 3 2 .600 3.30 0 0 0 76.1 312 53 28 31 6 36 1 92 6 0 0 19
2004 Cubs 72 0 25 4 5 .444 4.73 0 0 0 66.2 298 67 35 39 10 33 1 78 1 2 0 18
2005 Tigers 46 0 16 1 1 .500 2.32 0 0 6 42.2 174 29 11 12 1 20 0 55 2 1 0 15
2005 Braves 26 0 18 0 0 .000 1.98 0 0 10 27.1 103 15 6 6 4 7 0 32 1 2 1 4
Career G GS GF W L PCT ERA CG SHO SV IP BFP H ER R HR BB IBB SO WP HBP BK HLD
7 Years 415 26 122 23 38 .377 4.45 1 1 20 548.2 2,389 512 271 299 80 251 20 554 23 14 4

[ShadeTree#55]

He was very good for the Braves and Tigers last year.

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I am talking about the junc post season litmus test. He fails.

[ButtleMan]

I am talking about the junc post season litmus test. He fails.


He was good in his first postseason but in the last 2 he was just god awful.

Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO
+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+
2003 NLDS CHC ATL W 3 0 0.00 0-0 0 0 0 2.7 1 0 1 2
NLCS CHC FLA L 5 0 10.12 0-0 0 0 0 5.3 6 6 2 7
2005 NLDS ATL HOU L 2 0 9.00 0-0 0 0 3.0 2 3 1 4
+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+
2 Lg Div Series 1-1 5 0 4.76 0-0 0 0 0 5.7 3 3 2 6
3 Postseason Ser 1-2 10 0 7.36 0-0 0 0 0 11.0 9 9 4 13

[ShadeTree#55]

From what I have gathered from junc is only the bad postseason performance count.

Pedro shutting out the Cards, doesn't matter because he got left out to dry by Grady Little the year before.

Arod's good postseason performances are meaningless based on his series last year.

[AMJets]

He was good in his first postseason but in the last 2 he was just god awful.

Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO
+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+
2003 NLDS CHC ATL W 3 0 0.00 0-0 0 0 0 2.7 1 0 1 2
NLCS CHC FLA L 5 0 10.12 0-0 0 0 0 5.3 6 6 2 7
2005 NLDS ATL HOU L 2 0 9.00 0-0 0 0 3.0 2 3 1 4
+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+
2 Lg Div Series 1-1 5 0 4.76 0-0 0 0 0 5.7 3 3 2 6
3 Postseason Ser 1-2 10 0 7.36 0-0 0 0 0 11.0 9 9 4 13


The one thing you can say about last year's performance is that the HR he gave up would have been a flyball well in front of the warning track in basically any other ballpark, but since it was in the bandbox at Houston, it just made it out. He hasn't been great in the postseason, but he's not as bad as Gordon.

[ButtleMan]

The one thing you can say about last year's performance is that the HR he gave up would have been a flyball well in front of the warning track in basically any other ballpark, but since it was in the bandbox at Houston, it just made it out. He hasn't been great in the postseason, but he's not as bad as Gordon.


I hate Tom Gordon and there arent many players that I can say that about.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

free scott brosius

[DonnieIsTheKing]

10p, Dotel hasn't been the Dotel you want to think about for many years now. By all means, I'm curious to see what he does, but look at these:


Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
2001 HOU 61 4 7 5 2 0 0 105.0 79 35 31 5 47 145 2.66 1.20 .205
2002 HOU 83 0 6 4 6 0 0 97.1 58 21 20 7 27 118 1.85 0.87 .173
2003 HOU 76 0 6 4 4 0 0 87.0 53 25 24 9 31 97 2.48 0.97 .172
2004 HOU 32 0 0 4 14 0 0 34.2 27 15 12 4 15 50 3.12 1.21 .213
2004 OAK 45 0 6 2 22 0 0 50.2 41 23 23 9 18 72 4.09 1.16 .220
2005 OAK 15 0 1 2 7 0 0 15.1 10 6 6 2 11 16 3.52 1.37 .185

I mean, good wouldn't be what I would describe as his worst case scenerio. I'm excited about the possibilities, and it's certainly worth the risk, but his days as being a premier set up man could be a stretch, I think.
Ugh I'm jealous that Dotel returned to New York with the Yanks... but as you say he's been battling serious injuries so you're either getting a huge bust or a shut-down setup man.

[nyjunc]

I am talking about the junc post season litmus test. He fails.

Do we get players to eprform in May or to perform in October?
It shouldn't be the "junc litmus tests" it should be the everyone's litmus test. What's the point of getting to postseason if you don't have players who can handle pressure and you have no shot to win?

[nyjunc]

From what I have gathered from junc is only the bad postseason performance count.

Pedro shutting out the Cards, doesn't matter because he got left out to dry by Grady Little the year before.

Arod's good postseason performances are meaningless based on his series last year.

No it's not a big deal w/a 2-0 series lead he shut down a dead Cardinal team. Losing game 3 in '03 then trying to bean a guy in the head b/c you are getting shelled then losing a 3 run lead in the 8th IS a big deal.

ARod has done nothing for us other than have a good postseason series against an overmatched Twins team. He did nothing in meaningful moments against Bos in '04 and he cost us the '05 ALDS and he continues time after time to fail in big reg season moments. I can live w/ the reg seaon failures if he came through in october but he doesn't come through in either.