Lima Time!™ vs. Smoltz 5/7

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I have a very strong feeling this game is going to be unbearable to watch.

Atlanta
Marcus Giles 2B
Edgar Renteria SS
Larry Jones 3B
Adam LaRoche 1B
Jeff Francoeur RF
Brian McCann C
Brian Jordan LF
Ryan Langerhans CF
John Smoltz P

Andrew is sitting the day out after getting hurt both Friday and yesterday, but may be available off the bench

Mets
Reyes
LoDuca
Beltran
Delgado
Wright
Floyd
Nady
Matsui
Jose Lima P

[WahooJet]

Lima's hair doesn't help.

[Learn To Swim]

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[Tight]

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. No Zambrano ? (sighs) Good Luck

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Got out of the first inning without too much of a problem.

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Beltran with an IF single. Guess his hamstring is getting better.

[kevin68]

Wright strikes out to end the 1st

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Oh my fucking god, they call it a balk. Bullfuckingshit.

[Elvis]

I just turned the game on - How is Lima doing, still no runs, must be doing OK???

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I just turned the game on - How is Lima doing, still no runs, must be doing OK???
Not too bad. He had Jordan GIDP but they called it a balk after the play was over.

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what the fuck?!

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McCANN WAS FUCKING OUT, FUCK YOU ANGEL HERNANDEZ!

[3rdAnd15Draw]

fuck this cheating little fuck angel hernandez

this self important prick has robbed the mets of 3 outs this inning

[MSUJet85]

WTF is going on???

[Elvis]

He got em, BS call - but LoDuca has to remain somewhat composed to not allow the runners to move up

[Learn To Swim]

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send hernandez back to his shitty third world nation

[kevin68]

Why was Lo Duca ejected?
And can someone explain to me what a balk is?

[MSUJet85]

And Lima gives up an RBI single

[Learn To Swim]

This whole inning reeks of bullshit.

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this inning should be over.

[The Future]

Lo Duca tagged him. MLB needs replay, or just better umps.

*LTS- Do you have a Time Magazine Template? If so, can you send it to me please, thanks! *

[Learn To Swim]

Why was Lo Duca ejected?
And can someone explain to me what a balk is?Smoltz tried a swinging squeeze bunt with runners on the corners. LoDuca picked up the ball and tagged McCann (the runner from 3rd base) as he was running home. MLBs Worst Umpire Angel Hernandez called McCann safe, LoDuca flipped out and wound up spiking the ball. He was ejected.

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I want to punch Angel Hernandez in the face, cut his balls off and force feed them to him.

[kevin68]

Smoltz tried a swinging squeeze bunt with runners on the corners. LoDuca picked up the ball and tagged McCann (the runner from 3rd base) as he was running home. MLBs Worst Umpire Angel Hernandez called McCann safe, LoDuca flipped out and wound up spiking the ball. He was ejected.

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Thanks a lot

[MSUJet85]

Smoltz tried a swinging squeeze bunt with runners on the corners. LoDuca picked up the ball and tagged McCann (the runner from 3rd base) as he was running home. MLBs Worst Umpire Angel Hernandez called McCann safe, LoDuca flipped out and wound up spiking the ball. He was ejected.

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And worst yet all that shouldn't of happened if it wasn't for a phantom balk call :mad:

[Boss Revis]

Yawn... we got screwed. Typical.

[Learn To Swim]

I want to punch Angel Hernandez in the face, cut his balls off and force feed them to him.To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

[Boss Revis]

I've never seen a balk called AFTER a play was over.. that makes no sense.

A balk is suppose to be called right away and everything blown dead.

[Exit 117]

and now floyd gets HPB. argh.

[Learn To Swim]

I love the generic sounding Asian music for Matsui's at-bats.

They should play La Cucaracha for every Latino player.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

I've never seen a balk called AFTER a play was over.. that makes no sense.

A balk is suppose to be called right away and everything blown dead.

You could see Hernandez moving out from behind the plate as the pitch was coming in and waving his arms. It was a ridiculous call though.

[MisterMoss]

I get a kick out of these Mets game threads. You guys are riots :lol:

[MSUJet85]

ARGH, Lima gives up a solo shot :mad:

[Learn To Swim]

Shits McGee

[kevin68]

Beltran homers 3-1

[Boss Revis]

Beltran GONER!!

[MSUJet85]

BELTRAN HITS A SOLO SHOT!!!!!!!! :beer:

[Boss Revis]

Lima walks Smoltz.

[MSUJet85]

Lima gets the K to end the inning!

[MSUJet85]

It looks like Lima will only be able to go 5 today, already over 80 pitches

[Boss Revis]

Come on Lima, keep it here.. we can come back.

[Learn To Swim]

Stupid slow fat-headed ball-boy.

[Boss Revis]

Poor ballboy gets booed.

[Boss Revis]

Game getting away :(

[MSUJet85]

TAKE LIMA OUT NOW!!!! :mad:

[3rdAnd15Draw]

let lima throw 200 pitches, it's not like he's ever going to see the majors again

[Boss Revis]

Christ. This sucks.

[Boss Revis]

Lima deserved better than this. You look closely alot of BS happened to cause those 5 runs.

[MSUJet85]

Matsui gets a leadoff single!

[kevin68]

:offtopic: Can somebody tell me where I can read some scouting reports?

[MSUJet85]

let lima throw 200 pitches, it's not like he's ever going to see the majors again
He didn't even deserve this start in the first place he was killed in AAA as well, but you are right he ain't going to see the majors again

[Boss Revis]

What are you doing, Reyes...

[Boss Revis]

Another horrible call, strike 3.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Screw you Angel Hernandez. If you're going to blow 2 calls for our catchers badly then atleast give us a few calls to even it out ok? Thanks in advance, asshole.

[Boss Revis]

I don't mind losing this game, its fine. But the Zambrano injury hurting our rotation just ruins the day.

[MSUJet85]

Well this game is over

[Learn To Swim]

At least Bartolome Fortunato made the Kazmir trade worthwhile.

[FITM]

God I hope we trade for a pitcher.

[Boss Revis]

Loss is fine, nothing wrong with it. But the damn injury...

Ugh. Our rotation is in trouble.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

free heath bell

[Learn To Swim]

free heath bellFound it
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[Boss Revis]

Lets just hope next time Lima or whatever fill-in has to pitch we don't face the ace of the other staff...

[NYJetFan37]

I'm hoping Beltran puts a little more effort in his fielding in closer games...

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I honestly think we're going to go make an offer for Clemens now... and with 2 great pitchers, 2 good ones, and 1 hole he would fill our starting rotation.

The facts that we are arguably the best team in the NL and that we'd have a stable pitching staff with him could entice him to come here; if the price is right.

[MSUJet85]

I honestly think we're going to go make an offer for Clemens now... and with 2 great pitchers, 2 good ones, and 1 hole he would fill our starting rotation.

The facts that we are arguably the best team in the NL and that we'd have a stable pitching staff with him could entice him to come here; if the price is right.
Our payroll will go from 98-101 mill to easily over 120 if we go for him, I think the Wilpons are too cheap for that

[Boss Revis]

Screw Clemens...

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Fortunato's glory time is over, too.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Our payroll will go from 98-101 mill to easily over 120 if we go for him, I think the Wilpons are too cheap for that
Well we did have our payroll over 120 in the Mo Vaughn, Roberto Alomar Era so if Manaya can convince them that he's going to be a key part of the team in the quest to knock off the Braves as division champs and win the world series they may be willing to do it.


Screw Clemens...
And have Lima starting a key game in September? I'll take Clemens thank you.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I turned the TV off from disgust but looking at the Yahoo! thing I see Fortuano has given up 8 runs in 1.1 IP... how the hell can a pitcher be that bad? His ERA jumped from 5.40 to 27.00 today.

[Boss Revis]

Lima won't start a key game in September if he pitches badly. We will eventually make a trade if we need to.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Lima won't start a key game in September if he pitches badly. We will eventually make a trade if we need to.
For who? Don't expect The A's to trade Zito if they're on top of the playoff hunt unless they get blown away with an offer... which would mean we'd have to trade Milledge for sure and possibly Pelfrey/Humber.

[Boss Revis]

I don't know who. Some could overrate Zambrano's loss. We only need a 5th starter to do ok and if/when playoffs come we don't have to worry because they won't be pitching.

[Learn To Swim]

Not that I have anything to base this off of, but I could see them going after one of the Twins guys, Loshe, Silva, or Radke. Minnesota doesnt look like they have much of a chance with the WSox and Indians in the division, and they want to clear a spot in the rotation for Liriano.

Radke is probably the guy they'd part with because he's 33 and is making $9 mil.

All 3 of them are struggling big time (Radke: 3-3, 7.29 ERA, Silva: 1-5, 8.59 ERA, Loshe: 1-3, 9.71 ERA) however, but they've all been effective in the past.

I'm assuming Minnesota could use a guy like Diaz because thier offense is downright anemic (most of their production is coming from Hunter, who sports a .241 AVG/.292 OPB).

Again, this is just me playing GM, but it seems like a reasonable way to add a back of the rotation guy.

[statjeff22]

When I saw the score I figured it was just a standard Lima Time blowup, but in reading this thread I see that it was more subtle than that - he actually wasn't totally horrible (unlike Fortunato, with 8 baserunners in 11 men faced). It seems pretty obvious, however, that he's not a major league pitcher. Bringing up Heath Bell seems the obvious thing to do. It's hard to find complete minor league stats, but I know that he has 5 saves at Norfolk, so he can't be doing too badly, especially since the Tides are 6-17. And how about this dubious career achievement: his last save was his 100th career minor league save.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Not that I have anything to base this off of, but I could see them going after one of the Twins guys, Loshe, Silva, or Radke. Minnesota doesnt look like they have much of a chance with the WSox and Indians in the division, and they want to clear a spot in the rotation for Liriano.

Radke is probably the guy they'd part with because he's 33 and is making $9 mil.

All 3 of them are struggling big time (Radke: 3-3, 7.29 ERA, Silva: 1-5, 8.59 ERA, Loshe: 1-3, 9.71 ERA) however, but they've all been effective in the past.

I'm assuming Minnesota could use a guy like Diaz because thier offense is downright anemic (most of their production is coming from Hunter, who sports a .241 AVG/.292 OPB).

Again, this is just me playing GM, but it seems like a reasonable way to add a back of the rotation guy.
I would be alright bringing any of those 3 in as our 5th starter and would be thrilled if we can pull it for Diaz and an A prospect. Radke would be my personal favorite because he put up decent numbers against Oakland, Toronto, and KC and his numbers are only that high due to horrible starts against 3 good offensive teams (Yankees, White Sox, Tigers). He could make the move to the NL and have an ERA around 4, which is better then anything we're going to get from inside the system.

Maybe Seattle will part with Moyer as there is really no chance they're going to make the playoffs at this point. His age is of course a scary thing but if he can pitch 6 strong innings like he has done in virtually all of his starts the past 2 years he would make an excellent 5th option. Also, in a less realistic view, the age of SF may force them to fade late in the year and Schmidt may come onto the market again.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

It's pretty typical Bell, he's giving up more hits then you would like, 14 in 13 1/3 innings, but he's also got 20 k's in that time.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

When I saw the score I figured it was just a standard Lima Time blowup, but in reading this thread I see that it was more subtle than that - he actually wasn't totally horrible (unlike Fortunato, with 8 baserunners in 11 men faced). It seems pretty obvious, however, that he's not a major league pitcher. Bringing up Heath Bell seems the obvious thing to do. It's hard to find complete minor league stats, but I know that he has 5 saves at Norfolk, so he can't be doing too badly, especially since the Tides are 6-17. And how about this dubious career achievement: his last save was his 100th career minor league save.
Sounds great. I say let Lima pitch 1 or 2 more starts until Bannister is healthy and then send him down for Bell and have a rotation of Pedro-Glavine-Trachsel-Bannister-Oliver until we can pull a trade or sign Clemens.

[statjeff22]

It's pretty typical Bell, he's giving up more hits then you would like, 14 in 13 1/3 innings, but he's also got 20 k's in that time.

Where do you find minor league stats like that?

[statjeff22]

Sounds great. I say let Lima pitch 1 or 2 more starts until Bannister is healthy and then send him down for Bell and have a rotation of Pedro-Glavine-Trachsel-Bannister-Oliver until we can pull a trade or sign Clemens.

I'm able to overcome the Piazza-Yankees-steroids hatred for Roger, but I really can't see him coming to NY to pitch for anyone other than the Yankees.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Where do you find minor league stats like that?

The individual team sites seem to be the best place for current minor league stats.

BTW, another reason to bring up Bell, it would clear a path for the Mets to keep Henry Owens in a "closer" role if they called him up to AAA.

Owens numbers so far this year: 14 2/3 IP 4 hits, 5 walks 33 ks

[kinghenry89]

I'm able to overcome the Piazza-Yankees-steroids hatred for Roger, but I really can't see him coming to NY to pitch for anyone other than the Yankees.
Yeah, Clemens to the Mets is wishful thinking at best. If he comes back it is going to be for the Astros. There is a very, very slim chance that the Yankees could lure him to New York if they can blow him away with an offer but I doubt it.

The only part of this game that I saw was the top of the second inning. At first it looked like Lo Duca missed him, but then I realized that Angel Hernandez was the ump so I assume he made the wrong call. In any case I don't know what Bobby Cox was so pissed off about. Moving Smoltz to second was definately not worth getting tossed for.

[FITM]

20 million dollars for 5 months of pitching isn't worth it, i don't care how good he is. I'd rather have 2 mediocre pitchers.

[Learn To Swim]

The individual team sites seem to be the best place for current minor league stats.

BTW, another reason to bring up Bell, it would clear a path for the Mets to keep Henry Owens in a "closer" role if they called him up to AAA.

Owens numbers so far this year: 14 2/3 IP 4 hits, 5 walks 33 ksOwens is flat out sick.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

20 million dollars for 5 months of pitching isn't worth it, i don't care how good he is. I'd rather have 2 mediocre pitchers.

In terms of value for your dollar, I'd say the 11m the Mets gave Wagner would be a much much worse deal, but people were jumping up and down about what a coup the Mets had pulled off.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Owens is flat out sick.

Well he is quite old to be pitching in AA(27). He never made it out of A ball with the Pirates even though his numbers were pretty good and he always had dominating strikeout numbers. I'd like to see him get a shot at least.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

20 million dollars for 5 months of pitching isn't worth it, i don't care how good he is. I'd rather have 2 mediocre pitchers.
Well that's the Wilpon's problem not ours... and I just brought up that we'd make an offer for him and he would be interested. I think a deal is highly unlikely but the Mets would be a great situation for him so if he was only making $10 or 15 million I think he'd be ok.

[kinghenry89]

20 million dollars for 5 months of pitching isn't worth it, i don't care how good he is. I'd rather have 2 mediocre pitchers.
If Clemens pitches as well as he did in Houston it's worth it without a doubt. You'd rather have 2 mediocre pitchers than a Cy Young candidate?

With Pedro, Clemens and Glavine the Mets major liability (the bullpen) would be covered up by the amount of innings their starters log. They'd be a WS contender.

[Boss Revis]

the bullpen is our major liability?

what are you watching?

[kinghenry89]

what are you watching?
Jorge Julio.

Seriously though they have Wagner at the end but the bullpen is filled with a lot of inexperienced guys who I would not trust in big game situations. The Mets have a strong team but if they have a weakness that's what I think it would be.

Then again I guess the only way to get experience is to pitch inexperienced guys.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Jorge Julio.

Seriously though they have Wagner at the end but the bullpen is filled with a lot of inexperienced guys who I would not trust in big game situations. The Mets have a strong team but if they have a weakness that's what I think it would be.

Then again I guess the only way to get experience is to pitch inexperienced guys.
Um, next time you watch the Mets watch Duaner Sanchez, Darren Oliver, and Aaron Heilman instead of Julio ok? To say it's a liability is beyond retarded... the Mets bullpen has given 0 reason to worry except Julio. They may be inexperience but a guy like Sanchez has proven his worth when he always shuts the door in the 8th whether it's against the Marlins or the Braves.

Wagner has blown 3 saves but remember he was hurt most of the spring and is not in season form yet. Also one of the saves falls on David Wright's defense, not Wagner.

Including today's game (where Fortuano had a horrible game - and he won't be in the bullpen come September and October) the bullpen's ERA is 3.29 which likely ranks among the top in the league. If you exclude this horrific performance today the ERA was 2.74. If you're a fan of the glitz and flash, the Mets bullpen leads all others with 119 K's in 108.2 innings. Not really much you can oppose to there.

Finally, name a bullpen in the majors that is good AND experienced. Besides the Angels I really can't think of any. Having a bullpen with a great closer that is recovering from injury, a lights out setup man, and dependable middle relievers such as Oliver, Heilman, and Bradford easily ranks in the top 10 in the majors. Julio has also been working with Peterson and has allowed 3 ERs in his past 12.2 innings and is starting to grow into someone that we can depend on in tighter games. This bullpen is great, not a liabilty. It will be even better if we ever FREE HEATH BELL!

The only problems on the Mets right now is the #5 starter and the fact that we leave 10+ guys on base every night. The lack of run production once guys get on is sickening...

[kinghenry89]

Sanchez has been lights out, but other than that nobody has been overly impressive. Isn't Heilman moving to the rotation anyway?

[GatorNation52]

Sanchez has been lights out, but other than that nobody has been overly impressive. Isn't Heilman moving to the rotation anyway?
No Minaya and Randolph both said Heilman is staying in the pen. The fact is the mets do have one of the better bullpens in baseball, so saying its a weakness is a joke

[kinghenry89]

No Minaya and Randolph both said Heilman is staying in the pen. The fact is the mets do have one of the better bullpens in baseball, so saying its a weakness is a joke
If Heilman stays in the pen then it defintely helps their cause.

Like I said, I wouln't trust their bullpen until it proves it can be trusted.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

If Heilman stays in the pen then it defintely helps their cause.

Like I said, I wouln't trust their bullpen until it proves it can be trusted.
Name 5 bullpens in baseball better then the Met's pen. The only pen I would trust more is the Angel's bullpen because they have a great closer in K-Rod as well as veteran guys leading up to him such as Shields and Donnelly.

[Rextasy]

Name 5 bullpens in baseball better then the Met's pen. The only pen I would trust more is the Angel's bullpen because they have a great closer in K-Rod as well as veteran guys leading up to him such as Shields and Donnelly.
Well right now its hard to argue any team having a better bullpen.. But its also hard to have confidence in them in a pressure situation cause none of them have really been in a pressure situation before. besides Wagner who hasn't exactly been lights out in those spots.. So until they do it, it is unclear if they can do it in that kind of situation..Right now it looks good but it is still very early.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Well right now its hard to argue any team having a better bullpen.. But its also hard to have confidence in them in a pressure situation cause none of them have really been in a pressure situation before. besides Wagner who hasn't exactly been lights out in those spots.. So until they do it, it is unclear if they can do it in that kind of situation..Right now it looks good but it is still very early.
Alright I understand that... the original statement was that the bullpen was "The Mets major liability" which is extremely far from the truth so I had to break out with all the numbers.

[Rextasy]

Alright I understand that... the original statement was that the bullpen was "The Mets major liability" which is extremely far from the truth so I had to break out with all the numbers.
Ok my bad, thats what happens when you jump into a conversation that you don't know its about. In that case I agree with you 100%, the bullpen is the strength of the team right now..

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Ok my bad, thats what happens when you jump into a conversation that you don't know its about. In that case I agree with you 100%, the bullpen is the strength of the team right now..
The entire pitching staff is the strength right now (with the exception of now having our #4 and #5 starters hurt... one of which will be out for the year). The team ERA is just over 3.00 I believe. As I also said before, the problem is that we are leaving 10+ guys on base nightly and we need to get a lot more run production out of the lineup. We're also waiting for the time where Floyd hits one of his rockets away from a fielder instead of right at one...

[FITM]

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[Cakes]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!