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wildthing2022000

02-16-2006, 12:43 AM

I'll post news about the league here and BTW SEND IN YOUR VOTES!!!!!!!:grin:

Smizzy

02-16-2006, 04:24 AM

Let me know if you get an opening.

wildthing2022000

02-16-2006, 09:05 AM

Let me know if you get an opening.

There is an opening just give me your email add. so I can give you an invite

wildthing2022000

02-16-2006, 04:47 PM

Current rules:
ROSTER
Starting Positions
POSITIONS STARTERS MAXIMUM
Quarterback (QB) 1 3
Running Back (RB) 1 3
Wide Receiver (WR) 2 6
Tight End (TE) 1 3
Defensive Tackle (DT) 1 3
Defensive End (DE) 1 3
Linebacker (LB) 1 3
Defensive Line (DL) 0 3
Cornerback (CB) 1 3
Safety (S) 1 3
Defensive Back (DB) 0 3
Defensive Player Utility (DP) 0 3
Place Kicker (K) 1 2
Bench (BE) 8 N/A
Injured Reserve (IR) 4 N/A

SCORING
Passing
TD Pass 6 40+ yard TD pass bonus 1
50+ yard TD pass bonus 2 Interceptions Thrown -2
2pt Passing Conversion 2 Every 20 passing yards 1
300-399 yard passing game 1 400+ yard passing game 2
Every Time Sacked -1
Rushing
TD Rush 6 40+ yard TD rush bonus 1
50+ yard TD rush bonus 2 2pt Rushing Conversion 2
Every 10 rushing yards 1 100-199 yard rushing game 1
200+ yard rushing game 2
Receiving
TD Reception 6 40+ yard TD rec bonus 1
50+ yard TD rec bonus 2 2pt Receiving Conversion 2
Every 10 receiving yards 1 100-199 yard receiving game 1
200+ yard receiving game 2
Miscellaneous
Kickoff Return TD 6 Punt Return TD 6
Fumble Recovered for TD 6 Each Fumble -1
Each Fumble Lost -1 Every 25 kickoff return yards 1
Every 25 punt return yards 1
Kicking
Each PAT Made 1 FG Made (0-39 yards) 3
FG Made (40-49 yards) 4 FG Made (50+ yards) 5
FG Missed (0-39 yards) -2 FG Missed (40-49 yards) -1
Defensive Players
Interception Return TD 6 Fumble Return TD 6
Blocked Punt or FG return for TD 6 Blocked Punt, PAT or FG 2
Each Interception 2 Each Fumble Recovered 2
Each Safety 2 Each Sack 2
1/2 Sack 1 Every Assisted Tackle 0.5
Every Solo Tackle 1 Each Tackle for Loss 1
Passes Defensed 1

LEAGUE RULES
Player Universe All NFL Players
Roster Locktime Slots Lock Individually at Scheduled Gametime
Observe ESPN's Undroppable Players List No
Make League Viewable to Public Yes
Trade Limit No Limit
Trade Deadline (Week 12)
Trade Review Period 24 Hours
Votes Required to Veto Trade 10
Free Agent/Waiver Acquisition Limit None Allowed
Waiver Period No Waivers
Waiver System Resets Every Tuesday To Inverse Order Of Standings
Regular Season Game Tie Breaker None, Leave as Tie
Playoff Seeding Tie Breaker Head To Head Record
Home Field Advantage None

SCHEDULE & PLAYOFFS
Regular Season Weeks 13 (Playoffs start Week 14)
Playoffs Weeks 3
Playoff Rounds 3 (1 week per round)
Playoff Teams 8
First Round Byes 0

wildthing2022000

02-16-2006, 04:53 PM

Current teams

NAMATH
Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges

TODD
VT Rambo
Wombatt Quesadillia's
Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony

O'BRIEN
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
Easton Red Rovers
nyj unc

TESTAVERDE
Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

Smizzy

02-16-2006, 05:12 PM

Ok cool..Im in.

Thanks for letting me play!

Smizzy

02-16-2006, 05:18 PM

How many do we keep each yr?

PinPointPenning10

02-16-2006, 05:21 PM

I will take the vacant spot if it is available, but since it is a keeper league, would I just start fresh with a new team?

wildthing2022000

02-16-2006, 05:23 PM

How many do we keep each yr?

actually we're doing a vote on that now

1) 12, 13, 14 game seasons(12 games allows for 6 div games with 2 games vs. each div., 13 games allows for everyone to play either 7-10 outside division, 14 games allows for 2 games in division and 8 outside division games(2 divisions)

12 game season(w/ bye week)
6 - div games
2 - vs. div 1
2 - vs. div 2
2 - vs. div 3

13 game season
3 - div games
4 - vs. div 1
4 - vs. div 2
2 - vs. div 3

14 game season
3/6 - div games
4 - vs. div 1
4 - vs. div 2
3/0 vs. div 3

2) Keep 8 playoff teams or move to 6(keep it to minority of teams that get in) or 7 teams.

Simply keep what we have or move to NFL style

3) 6-8 keepers max(since roster size could be bigger the # of keepers could increase)

3a) set min keepers to 4 just so nobody gets an entire new team or just have no set min.

6 keepers allow for more movement of players while 8 will keep the core of the team together.

4) expanding roster size for subs at all positions current roster size has a bench for 8 subs along with 11 starters.

So people don't have to actually make roster moves after the draft.

5) add another RB, WR, or RB/WR.

16 teams allow for 2 starting RB per team

You can vote too just PM me your votes it's a secret vote.

Smizzy

02-16-2006, 05:38 PM

1. 13 game season( would leave weeks 14,15,16 for playoffs and week 17 won't have any bearing on the outcome of theseason,it shouldn't)

2. 20 teams...6 playoff spost sound fair...7 w/ a bye

3. 6 or 8,doesn't matter to me.

3a.I would have a minimum.

ButtleMan

02-16-2006, 05:47 PM

actually we're doing a vote on that now

1) 12, 13, 14 game seasons(12 games allows for 6 div games with 2 games vs. each div., 13 games allows for everyone to play either 7-10 outside division, 14 games allows for 2 games in division and 8 outside division games(2 divisions)

12 game season(w/ bye week)
6 - div games
2 - vs. div 1
2 - vs. div 2
2 - vs. div 3

13 game season
3 - div games
4 - vs. div 1
4 - vs. div 2
2 - vs. div 3

14 game season
3/6 - div games
4 - vs. div 1
4 - vs. div 2
3/0 vs. div 3

2) Keep 8 playoff teams or move to 6(keep it to minority of teams that get in) or 7 teams.

Simply keep what we have or move to NFL style

3) 6-8 keepers max(since roster size could be bigger the # of keepers could increase)

3a) set min keepers to 4 just so nobody gets an entire new team or just have no set min.

6 keepers allow for more movement of players while 8 will keep the core of the team together.

4) expanding roster size for subs at all positions current roster size has a bench for 8 subs along with 11 starters.

So people don't have to actually make roster moves after the draft.

5) add another RB, WR, or RB/WR.

16 teams allow for 2 starting RB per team

You can vote too just PM me your votes it's a secret vote.

I didnt vote before and I dont really care if anyone sees it or not so:

1. 14
2. Keep 8
3 & 3a. The min and max should be the same. Everyone should have to keep 4 players. This way there are still some good players in the draft.
4. I would keep the bench as is but add an extra starter.
5. by adding a RB/WR

NY Vilmaniac

02-16-2006, 08:58 PM

is it possible to let me get in this? lemme know (pm or something) if theres an opening

i live for fantasy sports

twinjetfan

02-16-2006, 09:31 PM

Sorry I haven't E-mailed you yet, I'll try to do it tomorrow.

Smizzy

02-18-2006, 03:05 AM

How will free agency work with all the teams being deleted?

When can we start picking up and trading players?

wildthing2022000

02-18-2006, 03:47 PM

How will free agency work with all the teams being deleted?

When can we start picking up and trading players?

only the 4 vacant teams will be deleted so don't mind them, FA won't start till after the draft, you can trade players no draft picks.

Smizzy

02-18-2006, 04:18 PM

only the 4 vacant teams will be deleted so don't mind them, FA won't start till after the draft, you can trade players no draft picks.

With 4 teams being deleted....Players like Peyton,Harrison & Edge are on the free agency list.

I really don't think it should be first come first serve.

Free agency should happen after we draft,they should be added to the draft list. Unless you just draft rookies.

wildthing2022000

02-18-2006, 04:51 PM

With 4 teams being deleted....Players like Peyton,Harrison & Edge are on the free agency list.

I really don't think it should be first come first serve.

Free agency should happen after we draft,they should be added to the draft list. Unless you just draft rookies.

That's why FA is disabled, the draft involves all players not kept on rosters from vets to rookies.
So to sum things up:
trading is active with no draft picks
keeper cut-off is coming soon
sometime after NFL draft we will have league draft
FA is reinstated

Smizzy

02-18-2006, 07:44 PM

That's why FA is disabled, the draft involves all players not kept on rosters from vets to rookies.
So to sum things up:
trading is active with no draft picks
keeper cut-off is coming soon
sometime after NFL draft we will have league draft
FA is reinstated

Ok cool...so Im figuring 8 keepers then. Im going to make some trades.

Anyboyd want to improve their roster before the draft, shoot me an E-mail or Pm

Drew

02-23-2006, 02:24 PM

Ugh. My team is going to need a makeover, that's for sure.

Smizzy

02-24-2006, 02:24 AM

Ugh. My team is going to need a makeover, that's for sure.

Send me trades.

Serphnx

02-25-2006, 02:52 PM

I'd like to join too if there is a vacancy.

Drew

02-25-2006, 03:43 PM

Send me trades.

I just sent you one. Maybe we can work out a deal.

wildthing2022000

02-28-2006, 03:49 PM

Aside from the 2 new members who actually sent in their votes, only 4 people had votes since I sent this email to all players during SB weekend. I'll assume the people who didn't vote wouldn't mind to let the 6 people + me decide the rule changes since everyone had a month to simply vote on this.

wildthing2022000

02-28-2006, 04:07 PM

Winner(so far) in bold

1) 12, 13, 14 game seasons
5 - 13 game season
2 - 14 game season

2) Keep 8 playoff teams or move to 6(keep it to minority of teams that get in) or 7 teams.
4 - 8 teams
2 - 6 teams
1 - 7 teams

3) 6-8 keepers max(since roster size could be bigger the # of keepers could increase)
4 - 6 keepers max
2 - 8
1 - 4

3a) set min keepers to 4 just so nobody gets an entire new team or just have no set min.

4 - 4 min.
3 - no min.

4) expanding roster size for subs at all positions current roster size has a bench for 8 subs along with 11 starters.

4 - no
2 - yes
1 - null

5) add another RB, WR, or RB/WR.
5 - RB/WR
1 - anything

So there you have it the results of the voting(so far) if you don't like it then if you haven't voted yet I suggest you do so now.

ButtleMan

03-01-2006, 01:20 PM

wildthing2022000

03-01-2006, 08:31 PM

Since no one voted lately I took the liberty to set up a preliminary schedule for the league from 2006-2011. I'll have it up some time in the next few days or just later tonight. The 2006-07 schedule will be done in a few days.

Haven't done the team by team lists yet
TGGFFKL Future Scheduling List 2006-2011

2006
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
4 - Todd 4 - Namath 4 - Namath 2 - Namath
4 - O'Brien 2 - O'Brien 2 – Todd 4 - Todd
2 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - O'Brien

2007
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
4 - Todd 4 - Namath 2 - Namath 4 - Namath
2 - O'Brien 4 - O'Brien 4 - Todd 2 - Todd
4 - Testaverde 2 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - O'Brien

2008
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
2 - Todd 2 - Namath 4 - Namath 4 - Namath
4 - O'Brien 4 - O'Brien 4 - Todd 4 - Todd
4 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 2 - Testaverde 2 - O'Brien

2009
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
4 - Todd 4 - Namath 4 - Namath 2 - Namath
4 - O'Brien 2 - O'Brien 2 - Todd 4 - Todd
2 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - O'Brien

2010
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
4 - Todd 4 - Namath 2 - Namath 4 - Namath
2 - O'Brien 4 - O'Brien 4 - Todd 2 - Todd
4 - Testaverde 2 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 4 - O'Brien

2011
Namath Todd O'Brien Testaverde
2 - Todd 2 - Namath 4 - Namath 4 - Namath
4 - O'Brien 4 - O'Brien 4 - Todd 4 - Todd
4 - Testaverde 4 - Testaverde 2 - Testaverde 2 - O'Brien

Smizzy

03-01-2006, 11:04 PM

Smizzy,
I have received your trade requests and am just processing them.
I want to wait to see which fa's will be available, my draft position and to be honest with you, I am not really in a FF mode yet since baseball is just around the corner.

I understand. I just inherited this team and Im trying to make somehting of the roster before the draft & freea agency hit.

Didn't mean to put you on the spot. Check it out and let me know what you would liem in return. Not even sure what team si yours but My entire roster needs to be upgraded and Im willing to move just about anybody but Alexander. let me know.

Ps...If you are the team with Jason witten....Id send you my sister to get this deal done.

ButtleMan

03-01-2006, 11:35 PM

I understand. I just inherited this team and Im trying to make somehting of the roster before the draft & freea agency hit.

Didn't mean to put you on the spot. Check it out and let me know what you would liem in return. Not even sure what team si yours but My entire roster needs to be upgraded and Im willing to move just about anybody but Alexander. let me know.

Ps...If you are the team with Jason witten....Id send you my sister to get this deal done.

Need a picture of your sister before I decide.

Smizzy

03-02-2006, 01:00 AM

Need a picture of your sister before I decide.
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ScotsJet

03-02-2006, 06:27 AM

I'll give you a Conditional Draft Pick for her.

wildthing2022000

03-02-2006, 04:59 PM

Team by team tentative schedules:

Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats

VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers

Pope's Papal Punishers
At Douglas Mean Machine
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats

Wombat Quesadillas
at VT Rambo
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones

Louisiana Crawdads
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones

Oregon Wicked Wombats
at Los Angeles Hellcats
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers

wildthing2022000

03-02-2006, 05:02 PM

Mile High Jets
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
Staten Island Edges
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

Riverside Renegades
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
Victory Kingpin Tony
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

nyj unc
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
Easton Red Rovers
Douglas Mean Machine
at Pope's Papal Punishers
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
The Mighty Ones

NY Hard johnson's
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats
The Mighty Ones
Mile High Jets
at Staten Island Edges
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers

Staten Island Edges
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
VT Rambo
at Wombat Quesadillas
Riverside Renegades
at Victory Kingpin Tony
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
at Louisiana Crawdads
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones

Victory Kingpin Tony
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
nyj unc
at Easton Red Rovers
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones

Easton Red Rovers
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
At Douglas Mean Machine
Pope's Papal Punishers
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
Los Angeles Hellcats
at Oregon Wicked Wombats
NY Hard johnson's
at The Mighty Ones

The Mighty Ones
at Los Angeles Hellcats
Oregon Wicked Wombats
at NY Hard johnson's
at Mile High Jets
Staten Island Edges
at VT Rambo
Wombat Quesadillas
at Riverside Renegades
Victory Kingpin Tony
at Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Louisiana Crawdads
at nyj unc
Easton Red Rovers

Rambo13

03-02-2006, 11:57 PM

Sweet I get first shot at the new guy.

wildthing2022000

03-03-2006, 12:42 AM

Sweet I get first shot at the new guy.

Just so you know the list just show who you play the actual schedule will come later.

ScotsJet

03-03-2006, 11:54 AM

Aw shucks I got a tough schedule this year :sad:

Rambo13

03-03-2006, 01:42 PM

Just so you know the list just show who you play the actual schedule will come later.

F

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Smizzy

03-03-2006, 04:46 PM

feel free to send me trades guys.

ViLmAfAn5128

03-05-2006, 08:54 AM

me too......

wildthing2022000

03-05-2006, 11:22 PM

me too......
I don't need retarded people messing up my thread.

wildthing2022000

03-07-2006, 04:12 PM

Would you guys prefer a random order to the schedule or would you like to have the last 3 weeks dedicated to your division rivals so the divisions can be decided without losing good players due to bye weeks, the other 10 games would of course be random. I just want to know what you guys think before I finalize the schedule.

ScotsJet

03-08-2006, 05:24 AM

Sounds a good idea.

Smizzy

03-09-2006, 11:29 PM

UncleTomNYJ

03-14-2006, 06:39 PM

i really think that is an interesting idea.

NY Vilmaniac

03-30-2006, 07:18 PM

so im assuming no more openings?

Drew

03-30-2006, 09:29 PM

so im assuming no more openings?

I don't think so dude, we are the crew from last year. Sorry.

wildthing2022000

04-06-2006, 11:00 AM

I'm working on the schedule and it should be finished no later than next week.

ScotsJet

04-06-2006, 11:16 AM

cool, looking forward to it

wildthing2022000

04-14-2006, 05:57 PM

Schedule has been delayed due to complications and me getting fustrated trying to make it work. I'll try working on it but for now it's TBA.

wildthing2022000

04-18-2006, 04:09 PM

Schedule is up now

Drew

05-01-2006, 11:15 PM

Any timetable when we need our Keepers by?

wildthing2022000

05-01-2006, 11:29 PM

I like to have all keeper lists done by June 15th and hopefully to have the draft on July 22nd. I'm giving you guys 1 1/2 months for cuts and 5 weeks to prepare a draft strategy if ESPN won't let me host it then we'll do it manually or when ESPN lets me do it.

Rambo13

05-02-2006, 12:42 AM

I was wondering today how the keeper format will work. Just forfeit your first X picks based on the number (X) you keep or forfeit the pick from the round they were taken?

wildthing2022000

05-02-2006, 01:19 AM

^
I'm deciding on wether to screw the people who take less players inorder to get better quality players or just leave it at even picks and let them get first pick.

Drew

05-02-2006, 10:05 PM

I need a good draft pick incase there is a good RB available. I can't believe I was like 8-0 at one point with Rueben Droughns as my RB.

Rambo13

05-02-2006, 10:34 PM

I need a good draft pick incase there is a good RB available. I can't believe I was like 8-0 at one point with Rueben Droughns as my RB.

I was 11-0 with Dom. Davis. The beauty of our league last year was that you didn't need a dominant RB to win.

wildthing2022000

05-03-2006, 02:49 PM

^ That's the way I like the league to be.

ScotsJet

05-04-2006, 08:00 AM

I don't want to keep anybody. :sad:

NB This may not be 100% factually accurate as I haven't reviewed my roster

Smizzy

05-04-2006, 11:53 PM

How many keepers did we agree to?

wildthing2022000

05-05-2006, 12:01 AM

between 4-6 keepers

Smizzy

05-05-2006, 01:12 AM

Ill count on 6 and go offer up some trades. Be on the lookout guys. Ill be sending some trades!!!

Rambo13

05-05-2006, 02:58 PM

Ill count on 6 and go offer up some trades. Be on the lookout guys. Ill be sending some trades!!!

You are going to be the Washington Redskins of our fantasy league. :rofl2:

Smizzy

05-06-2006, 02:57 AM

You are going to be the Washington Redskins of our fantasy league. :rofl2:

Have fun watching me in the playoffs.

Rambo13

05-06-2006, 10:04 AM

Have fun watching me in the playoffs.

It's ok I'll just go undefeated again

Smizzy

05-06-2006, 06:54 PM

It's ok I'll just go undefeated again

looks like you took that rd! DOH!

Your team is stacked. looking to trade anybody?

wildthing2022000

05-06-2006, 07:10 PM

Rule for trading involvng a draft pick/before the draft:
1. Trade must involve a player on your keeper list
2. You can not have more than 6 players nor less than 4 as a result of the trade
3. If the draft is not held here and the trade is completed before the draft then the person who has the pick must tell the trader of the pick who they want.
4. Trade must be somewhat equal. No Shaun Alexander for Cedric Houston trades here.
5. Trading has to involve the same # of players/picks no 2 for 3, 1 for 2, etc. trades.

This is just the before the draft rules if the draft is held on ESPN, if it's held here then only rules 1, 2, and 4 apply.

Rambo13

05-06-2006, 09:06 PM

looks like you took that rd! DOH!

Your team is stacked. looking to trade anybody?

Haha not likely unless you want one of my RBs or TEs but I'm pretty set on keeping Brown and both QBs and WRs.

wildthing2022000

05-16-2006, 05:45 PM

Looks like we're waiting till after June 1st to do the keepers. I mean I've a clue who I want to keep(Tomlinson & Gates) but I'm still not sure about the other 2-4 guys.

ScotsJet

05-22-2006, 07:56 AM

Hmm, I don't really have anyone I'm desperate to keep, but I suppose the value is with my defensive guys.

eyedea

05-22-2006, 04:18 PM

Yea i need a new team my yahoo league i did better

Rambo13

05-22-2006, 06:34 PM

Just keep the minimum guys. People like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison will be available and depending on how we determine which picks you forfeit, you could have more early picks to restock and reload your team.

My suggestion for the two of you though is you might want to start looking at some of the better rookies and two year guys like Matt Leinart, Ronnie Brown, Vernon Davis, Braylon Edwards, etc. If you aren't built to win now, grab those guys in like the 4th or 5th rounds and hang on to them for a couple years.

The beauty of my team is that I have great players now, who will still be kicking around for a couple years (Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Eli Manning, Dom. Davis, Steve Smith, etc.)

ScotsJet

05-23-2006, 06:17 AM

Yeah, it's weird though because I did make the playoffs with the team I had, but there was just no real quality. Blowing my first rounder on Trent Green may be the worst pick ever.

ScotsJet

05-23-2006, 06:18 AM

PS I already have Braylon Edwards.

Rambo13

05-23-2006, 08:19 AM

Yeah, it's weird though because I did make the playoffs with the team I had, but there was just no real quality. Blowing my first rounder on Trent Green may be the worst pick ever.
Haha yeah...
I don't recal where you picked but I was like 18th. I got Dom. Davis in the first round so I feel your pain.

wildthing2022000

05-23-2006, 10:28 PM

Rambo13

05-23-2006, 11:00 PM

wildthing2022000

05-23-2006, 11:19 PM

Can I use MS Paint to make it... :rofl2:

No I don't want to see shitty logos.

wildthing2022000

05-24-2006, 12:15 AM

Examples:
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mega-example of what I want for this league in look with everything
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Now that is how I want the keeper league to be like

ScotsJet

05-24-2006, 05:16 AM

I have no photoshop talent whatsoever. I'm sure someone can come up with something amusing for "Mile High Jets" though! :)

wildthing2022000

05-26-2006, 12:33 AM

I'm sending an email to people about the logo and if they want to do it themselves or have the photoshop people help them come up with one. Of course I want to make them TGG friendly so people can use them as sigs or avatars. With the Charlotte Knights page that is something I'd like with logos but not as large the top pic in the last post I made is enough. I don't want to be a big pain to the photoshop people so I can do resizes and cropping if possible but don't ask me about the design since I suck at it. Just want to get an early start so I won't be rushed at the last minute.

any questions - post it here or PM me

Smizzy

05-26-2006, 01:27 AM

So we can cut down out roster to 6 if we know our 6 keepers? or atleast cut most of the dead guys till I figure out who my 6 will be?

Do I have to keep 6?

wildthing2022000

05-26-2006, 01:30 AM

So we can cut down out roster to 6 if we know our 6 keepers? or atleast cut most of the dead guys till I figure out who my 6 will be?

Do I have to keep 6?

Yes and you can have either 4, 5, or 6 keepers.

ScotsJet

05-26-2006, 05:32 AM

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Hope they're quick.

ScotsJet

05-26-2006, 05:56 AM

My 6 keepers will be:

Braylon Edwards
David Givens
Randy McMichael
Cedric Benson
Troy Williamson
John Abraham

Which means I'm cutting:
Trent Green, KC QB;
Jamal Lewis, Bal RB;
Rod Coleman, Atl DT;
Will Witherspoon, StL LB;
Mike Adams, SF CB;
Sean Taylor, Was S;
David Akers, Phi K;
Joe Horn, NO WR;
David Thornton, Ten LB;
Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB;
Chad Pennington, NYJ QB; and
Eric Parker, SD WR

I previously cut:

A. Henry, Dal CB;
A. Rolle, Ari CB; and
D. Darius, Jac S

Drew

05-26-2006, 02:12 PM

Ok, My keepers are

QB - J. Delhomme
QB - J. Plummer
WR - T. Owens
LB - J. Vilma
DE - M. Strahan
DE - P. Kerney

Pretty bad, but whatever.

fenwyr

05-26-2006, 02:28 PM

So I can keep only 4? Thank goodness, my team is god awful. I'll go with...

Michael Vick
Hines Ward
Lamont Jordan
Troy Polamalu

If my # of keepers does not affect my draft position, I'll keep 2 more:

Derrick Burgess
Ronde Barber

Again, if I get a better draft pick by keeping only 4, I want to keep only 4.

Wouldn't be a bad core to build around if Vick didn't suck goat balls. I had to go to a meeting (west coast) after my first 3 picks.:sad:

Anyway, regarding the logos, I don't have photoshop. I still don't understand what you want, but if someone else does and has photoshop skills, here are my vitals:

Team - Los Angeles Hellcats
Owner - Brent Fiene
Joined - 2005

My logo has always been the pissed off cheetah in ESPN FFL on a green helmet with gray facemask and stripe, if that helps. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Drew

05-26-2006, 03:07 PM

Oh and that Jazz about the logos, I don't have photoshop... but if someone is looking over and willing to help:

Team Name: Pope's Papal Punishers
Text: The New York Times style, Detriot Tigers logo type
Logo: Punisher skull, maybe on a helmet with a silver facemask.

Drew

05-26-2006, 03:11 PM

So we need a 200x170 logo, and a 400x100 sig?

wildthing2022000

05-30-2006, 04:55 AM

^ Yes.

The ESPN site is under construction for 2006 so I might have to email everyone to get on it again, but everything should be fixed within a few days if not I'll push back the dateline for keepers if it's not up by the 15th.

eyedea

05-30-2006, 04:27 PM

wildthing2022000

05-31-2006, 05:47 PM

The League Is Up!!!!!! Read The Note I Put, I'm Working On Everything But You Guys Can Get Started.

ScotsJet

06-01-2006, 05:51 AM

OK, selected keepers and cut the others.

ScotsJet

06-01-2006, 05:52 AM

Q: If i have 6 keepers and trade a draft pick for a player from another roster, do I have to cut one of my existing keepers to accommodate him?

wildthing2022000

06-01-2006, 06:34 AM

Q: If i have 6 keepers and trade a draft pick for a player from another roster, do I have to cut one of my existing keepers to accommodate him?

Trades can now be made involving draft picks. These types of transactions can only take place prior to the keeper deadline for returning Customizable League (CL) players. Trades can be made involving exchanges of draft picks only, -OR-trading some combination of player(s) and draft picks. It is important to note that you are trading for an owner's pick in a given round, and there is no assurance that the overall slot will remain the same. For example, you trade your first round pick (5th overall for Team A) for another owner's first round pick (3rd overall for Team B) and fifth round pick (Team B) . Following processing of the trade, if the league manager manipulates the initial draft order and Team B now has the 8th pick overall, that is the pick that you will end up receiving (not the 3rd overall pick). It would then be your responsibility to discuss this matter with your league manager. If you trade and receive a net total of draft picks greater than the number of rounds in the draft (example: you have 12 draft picks after trading and the draft runs for 10 rounds), then the draft will end and you will not acquire any players following the pick in which you complete your roster maximum. For this example, after 10 picks (no matter what round) your draft would end. You will be able to watch the draft process but when it reaches your selection you will be skipped over and no players will be added to your team.

Rambo13

06-01-2006, 08:29 AM

Trades can now be made involving draft picks. These types of transactions can only take place prior to the keeper deadline for returning Customizable League (CL) players. Trades can be made involving exchanges of draft picks only, -OR-trading some combination of player(s) and draft picks. It is important to note that you are trading for an owner's pick in a given round, and there is no assurance that the overall slot will remain the same. For example, you trade your first round pick (5th overall for Team A) for another owner's first round pick (3rd overall for Team B) and fifth round pick (Team B) . Following processing of the trade, if the league manager manipulates the initial draft order and Team B now has the 8th pick overall, that is the pick that you will end up receiving (not the 3rd overall pick). It would then be your responsibility to discuss this matter with your league manager. If you trade and receive a net total of draft picks greater than the number of rounds in the draft (example: you have 12 draft picks after trading and the draft runs for 10 rounds), then the draft will end and you will not acquire any players following the pick in which you complete your roster maximum. For this example, after 10 picks (no matter what round) your draft would end. You will be able to watch the draft process but when it reaches your selection you will be skipped over and no players will be added to your team.

Why would the draft order change?
Actually how are we doing the draft order? By record? Random? Reverse from last year?

wildthing2022000

06-01-2006, 11:06 AM

Why would the draft order change?
Actually how are we doing the draft order? By record? Random? Reverse from last year?

Goddamnit I had the draft order posted since Jan, nothing's changed it's just how the trades work involving multiple picks/players. I'm just posting what it said from ESPN so don't worry about draft order.

Smizzy

06-04-2006, 04:01 PM

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Need some help with my team logo.

Big Poppa Naich

06-04-2006, 05:21 PM

oops. wrong thread... ignore tis

fenwyr

06-05-2006, 02:36 PM

4 Keepers Set for LA Hellcats:

Vick
Jordan
Ward
Palomalu

Will entertain player or draft pick trades forany of them.

Smizzy

06-05-2006, 09:18 PM

I can't seem to find anybody intrested in helping me with my team logo and signature for this league. Not sure if it's my team name or not.

wildthing2022000

06-05-2006, 11:00 PM

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Logo thread

Rambo13

06-08-2006, 08:28 AM

Can I get some feedback on these?

What do you guys think about my first drafts?
Also, which colors should I use, standard VT colors or make it a little more personal?

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They are not as skillful as some of the other guys on this board, but I like it and wanted to keep it simple.

wildthing2022000

06-08-2006, 11:05 AM

^ Looks good to me

ScotsJet

06-08-2006, 01:01 PM

I prefer the red one.

Blitz4Life

06-08-2006, 08:05 PM

i didnt read any of the pages for this thread but i just wanna remind you that im playing again this year.

Rambo13

06-09-2006, 01:06 AM

Can we get like a 24 hour warning on the keepers, wildthing?

Blitz4Life

06-10-2006, 03:56 PM

is there any openings again?

wildthing2022000

06-10-2006, 04:11 PM

Can we get like a 24 hour warning on the keepers, wildthing?

Ok I'll send an email on the 19th.

Smizzy

06-14-2006, 05:00 PM

When does the rookie drfat take place? Is it seperate from the regualr draft ?

wildthing2022000

06-14-2006, 06:17 PM

When does the rookie drfat take place? Is it seperate from the regualr draft ?

It's the same draft.

Smizzy

06-14-2006, 06:23 PM

It's the same draft.

Well fuck my ozone!!

I was under the impression they were seperate.

Im gonna have ask you to veto the trade I just accepted for Witten then...No way am I giving up that pick for a TE.

Can you fix that for me?

wildthing2022000

06-14-2006, 06:49 PM

It's fixed

Smizzy

06-14-2006, 08:06 PM

It's fixed

You rule!!!

ButtleMan

06-15-2006, 09:33 AM

Well fuck my ozone!!

I was under the impression they were seperate.

Im gonna have ask you to veto the trade I just accepted for Witten then...No way am I giving up that pick for a TE.

Can you fix that for me?

Horseshit! :mad:

ButtleMan

06-15-2006, 09:35 AM

It's fixed

Same to you ...HORSESHIT!!!! You dont even consult the other team in the trade???????

Big time shitty ass manuever...............

Smizzy

06-15-2006, 03:31 PM

Same to you ...HORSESHIT!!!! You dont even consult the other team in the trade???????

Big time shitty ass manuever...............

Dude...Had I know there wasn't a seperate rookie draft...I would have never accepted that deal in the first place. It was my rookie mistake and Im thankful to the commish he cleared it up for me.

Sorry Buttleman....

ButtleMan

06-15-2006, 03:40 PM

Dude...Had I know there wasn't a seperate rookie draft...I would have never accepted that deal in the first place. It was my rookie mistake and Im thankful to the commish he cleared it up for me.

Sorry Buttleman....

No offense to you Smizzy but it is something that you should have cleared up before clicking on the accept button.
Its not like we all of sudden found out that Witten is out for the year. I could understand that.
I shouldnt have get penalized because you didnt have all your ducks in a row.

Smizzy

06-15-2006, 03:56 PM

No offense to you Smizzy but it is something that you should have cleared up before clicking on the accept button.
Its not like we all of sudden found out that Witten is out for the year. I could understand that.
I shouldnt have get penalized because you didnt have all your ducks in a row.

How did you get penalized? Did you know the rookie draft & the redraft was all wrapped into 1? It's not in this thread ...I didn't know till I asked.

Im the one who got penalized....I dropped TWO of my keepers to make room for this deal....They are now FA's and I got nothing but a lesson in return.

Sorry again Buttleman.

ButtleMan

06-15-2006, 04:40 PM

How did you get penalized? Did you know the rookie draft & the redraft was all wrapped into 1? It's not in this thread ...I didn't know till I asked.

Im the one who got penalized....I dropped TWO of my keepers to make room for this deal....They are now FA's and I got nothing but a lesson in return.

Sorry again Buttleman.

Sorry Smizzy, I guess penalized wasnt the right word to use there. More like inconvienced or screwed...

Whatever. Whats done is done. Lets get on with the draft.

Rambo13

06-15-2006, 09:13 PM

nyjunc

06-19-2006, 10:12 AM

nyjunc's keepers:

Larry Johnson
Torry holt
Santana Moss
Aaron Schobel

Rambo13

06-19-2006, 07:13 PM

nyjunc's keepers:

Larry Johnson
Torry holt
Santana Moss
Aaron Schobel

That is a decent lineup.

Rambo13

06-19-2006, 08:03 PM

the high scoring VT Rambo team which dominated the regular season then completely choked and lost to none other than Aaron Brooks in the first round of the playoffs has decided on a way to put the past behind them. With the help of a marketing consultation firm they have come up with a new team name, colors and uniforms to go along with the roster revamping which will come from the new draft.

They will hereby be known as Rambo's Evil Monkeys.

Rambo13

06-19-2006, 08:11 PM

Does anyone have a problem with having a team logo for this year? You don't have to make it yourself as the photoshop experts are willing to help anyone, the size requirement is 200x170 for the logo for espn and normal sig size for the TGG page.

Wildthing I think I have my sig done but am having trouble getting a good sense of what to do with the logo. Do you have any examples besides the Charlotte Knights one? Are they going to be used more as board avatars or on a web page? As a header, matchup pic, etc.?

Also if anyone needs any help with anything I can try but be warned I am very new to Photoshop and am learning on the fly. I was able to make my current sig which I think is pretty nice, and there are some tutorials I am thinking about trying out. You can probably get more talented people than me, but it is summer and I am bored so I am willing to give someone a hand if they would like.

(Sorry for whoring three straight posts :up:)

Drew

06-19-2006, 08:30 PM

Here's my stuff:

Logo:

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twinjetfan

06-19-2006, 09:20 PM

Rambo13

06-19-2006, 09:34 PM

Sorry for the late keepers. I thought we kept 6 players, know it seems like 4, but just in case I'll give you both:

Steven Jackson
Donald Driver
Roy Williams (Det)
Daunte Culpepper
Heath Miller
Kyle Boller

You must keep 4, 5 or 6. So it is up to you. And I think at this point you are supposed to log onto ESPN.com and manually drop the players you don't want.

twinjetfan

06-19-2006, 10:02 PM

You must keep 4, 5 or 6. So it is up to you. And I think at this point you are supposed to log onto ESPN.com and manually drop the players you don't want.
I checked on the league page, and all the teams still have their rosters from the end of the year.

These will be my keepers:
Steven Jackson
Donald Driver
Roy Williams (Det)
Daunte Culpepper
Kyle Boller

wildthing2022000

06-19-2006, 10:33 PM

Wildthing I think I have my sig done but am having trouble getting a good sense of what to do with the logo. Do you have any examples besides the Charlotte Knights one? Are they going to be used more as board avatars or on a web page? As a header, matchup pic, etc.?

Also if anyone needs any help with anything I can try but be warned I am very new to Photoshop and am learning on the fly. I was able to make my current sig which I think is pretty nice, and there are some tutorials I am thinking about trying out. You can probably get more talented people than me, but it is summer and I am bored so I am willing to give someone a hand if they would like.

(Sorry for whoring three straight posts :up:)

Just a avatar version of your sig is good enough. I'm not going to be picky on this

Rambo13

06-19-2006, 10:34 PM

I checked on the league page, and all the teams still have their rosters from the end of the year.

These will be my keepers:
Steven Jackson
Donald Driver
Roy Williams (Det)
Daunte Culpepper
Kyle Boller

Check a little closer. I'd say about half of the teams have cut players to reflect their keepers. At least I know I have.

wildthing2022000

06-21-2006, 06:48 PM

Keepers have been done. If you don't like who I picked then kiss my ass as you had a month to do it and I gave multiple warnings.

Rambo13

06-21-2006, 08:48 PM

I am shopping Dom. Davis if anyone wants to trade.
I am looking for a 5th-7th round draft pick. (If you kept only 4 it would be your 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick)

Basically it would be a swap of draft picks where I get the pick you pledge and you are guaranteed Dom Davis, who I would keep and would essentially be my 6th rond draft pick.

I am going to keep him because I don't think there will be anyone better at the spot I am picking, but I don't "need" him with Ronnie Brown at RB.

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 01:08 AM

You are aware 4 teams still have full rosters?

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 07:08 AM

You are aware 4 teams still have full rosters?

I know. I'll just cut the non-keepers, it no biggie but you'll notice that there are blue Ks indiciating the keepers and blitz if your reading this you can change the team name.

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 07:49 AM

Pre-draft draft order(for the people with less than 6 keepers)

This will be an off-line draft so as not to screw-up the ESPN draft, since I like to get this done soon the offline draft will start July 1st and will go until all picks are done, everybody PM the next person to move it along. Live draft will be done a week from last offline pick(pending vote on day and time)
Note- just look at FA when making picks and try to remember who people pick in case I'm not here to add them.

Round 1
NY Hard johnson's
New Brunswick Edge
Riverside Renegades
nyj unc
Mile High Jets
JetNation Juggernauts
Douglas Mean Machine
Los Angeles Hellcats

Round 2
Pocono Mountain MSUJet
Los Angeles Hellcats
Douglas Mean Machine
JetNation Juggernauts
Mile High Jets
nyj unc
Riverside Renegades
New Brunswick Edge
The Mighty Ones
NY Hard johnson's
Easton Red Rovers

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 08:27 AM

How tough would it be to do it through ESPN? because I could see this dragging on for a very long time.

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 01:05 PM

How tough would it be to do it through ESPN? because I could see this dragging on for a very long time.
It won't as there will be a time limit to every pick around 24 hours so WCS it'll take two weeks. Autopick will involve taking top player on board no matter what.

ButtleMan

06-22-2006, 01:12 PM

It won't as there will be a time limit to every pick around 24 hours so WCS it'll take two weeks. Autopick will involve taking top player on board no matter what.

wildthing, just know that I cant make any picks if my turn ends up on the weekends due to my work schedule.

If this will be a problem let me know.

xxedge72x

06-22-2006, 01:59 PM

As an idea, when PMing the next team, why not forward along a full list of players taken already. So when you pick, you add your player to the list and then forward that to the next guy.

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 02:02 PM

^ good idea.

Drew

06-22-2006, 02:43 PM

Less Keepers... higher draft position?? If I would of known that I would of kept 4. Can I still cut 2 guys? There are 2 guys I actually want out anyway

ButtleMan

06-22-2006, 02:49 PM

Less Keepers... higher draft position?? If I would of known that I would of kept 4. Can I still cut 2 guys? There are 2 guys I actually want out anyway

I could have dropped another if it meant getting a first round pick that I need.

Drew

06-22-2006, 03:03 PM

Let's Revolt, Buttle.

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Haha you guys should be denied for not being able to figure that out yourself.

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 04:47 PM

It won't as there will be a time limit to every pick around 24 hours so WCS it'll take two weeks. Autopick will involve taking top player on board no matter what.

What about like a chat? I just don't want this stretched out over two weeks. I like getting it done in one night. I think a ton of people are going to miss there picks because if you work you can't be on this site all day waiting and you can't skip someone's pick.
I just think it is a bad idea.

Drew

06-22-2006, 04:47 PM

that's bullshit, heh. I only kept Strahan and Kerney for the hell of it. If WT reads this, I'll cut them, I didn't know.

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 05:44 PM

What about like a chat? I just don't want this stretched out over two weeks. I like getting it done in one night. I think a ton of people are going to miss there picks because if you work you can't be on this site all day waiting and you can't skip someone's pick.
I just think it is a bad idea.

Alot of good that does when just 1 person doesn't show then what, I don't see what the big deal is in taking time with this. I want people to pick their own picks not just have it done by 1 person(me)

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 05:51 PM

that's bullshit, heh. I only kept Strahan and Kerney for the hell of it. If WT reads this, I'll cut them, I didn't know.

:shit: I talked about it before and you had a month to read the thread about it so it's your fault not mine for not knowing about it though I don't understand how you wouldn't know when I said between 4-6 keepers, where did you think the extra picks would come from to fill the rosters.

ButtleMan

06-22-2006, 05:52 PM

:shit: I talked about it before and you had a month to read the thread about it so it's your fault not mine for not knowing about it though I don't understand how you wouldn't know when I said between 4-6 keepers, where did you think the extra picks would come from to fill the rosters.

I thought that those keeping less would get those extra picks at the end of the draft, not before. This essentially give those that kept less the chance at more of the elite players left then the other teams.
In football, do they give the conditional draft picks before the first round?

I just thought that it would go 1-12 from the beginning and when your roster was full then you are done.

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 06:04 PM

Pre-draft draft order(for the people with less than 6 keepers)

Round 1

NY Hard johnson's (5-8)
New Brunswick Edge(7-6)
Riverside Renegades (7-6)
nyj unc (4-9)
Mile High Jets-( Has 5 keepers ,not 4)
JetNation Juggernauts (9-4)
Douglas Mean Machine(10-3)
Los Angeles Hellcats(10-3)

Just checking this....Wouldn't NYJ UNC get the first pick in rd 1 and Mile High Jets shouldn't get a first rd pick,he has 5 keepers.

wildthing2022000

06-22-2006, 06:06 PM

I thought that those keeping less would get those extra picks at the end of the draft, not before. This essentially give those that kept less the chance at more of the elite players left then the other teams.
In football, do they give the conditional draft picks before the first round?

I just thought that it would go 1-12 from the beginning and when your roster was full then you are done.

Why should you be penalized for having less keepers? A team that only keeps 4 is considered to be weaker than a team that has 6. Why should the better teams get rewarded while the weaker teams get punished?

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 06:07 PM

I thought that those keeping less would get those extra picks at the end of the draft, not before. This essentially give those that kept less the chance at more of the elite players left then the other teams.

The teams keeping 4 players have a disadvantage....the guy who keep 6 has an advantage . The teams who keep less should get first picks.

Drew

06-22-2006, 06:14 PM

So me and Buttle don't have first or 2nd round picks?

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 06:22 PM

So me and Buttle don't have first or 2nd round picks?

Your teams will be taking your 5th & 6th keepers while we who kept 4 pick in rds 1 & 2. everybody will picking in rd 3.

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 07:46 PM

Alot of good that does when just 1 person doesn't show then what, I don't see what the big deal is in taking time with this. I want people to pick their own picks not just have it done by 1 person(me)

Alright I mean I know I will participate, and I'm done arguing about it, but I have partaken in mock drafts on this board in which people miss there picks other people bitch about it and eventually they get skipped until one person finishes the draft themselves. In the end it becomes a waste. I just hope ours doesn't turn out like that because this is a good league.

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 07:51 PM

Buttle, the only teams that should be keeping 6 people are teams that drafted well the year before and have players that they think will be gone at in the first 6 rounds. Hate to toot my own horn, but my worst player right now is Dom. Davis. I know there is an advantage to the teams who keep less, but would I really get a player of better value with my 6th orund pick? Especially with all the players already taken.

So teams that keep 6 should not be at any disadvantage unless they made a bad decision. I realize you were unaware and am sorry that you had to find out this way but WT is right there have been plenty of notices. You've got good knowledge though so you should be able to snag some good young players to build your team. :up:

Drew

06-22-2006, 07:51 PM

Your teams will be taking your 5th & 6th keepers while we who kept 4 pick in rds 1 & 2. everybody will picking in rd 3.

Man that's bullshit.

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 08:29 PM

Man that's bullshit.

That's how it works. Just like the team with the worst record picks first...why should it be any other way?

ButtleMan

06-22-2006, 09:28 PM

That's how it works. Just like the team with the worst record picks first...why should it be any other way?

But yet when you didnt realize or know something what you did got changed.....

I was one of the teams with one the worst records last year and now I dont get a first round draft pick??

Smizzy

06-22-2006, 10:32 PM

But yet when you didnt realize or know something what you did got changed.....

I was one of the teams with one the worst records last year and now I dont get a first round draft pick??

In a Kepper league the Rookie draft and the redraft are usually seperate. So everybody gets a chance to land a rookie....you guys are doing it different. The rookies are mixed in with the players on the WW....How was I suppose to know it was mixed together when it hadn't been discussed yet? You keep crying about that trade because I got it revoked 5 minutes after accepting it because I found out the draft was all -in-one. Don't be mad all yr because I didn't let you rape me for a TE.

Drew

06-22-2006, 10:39 PM

If that's the case give my spot to someone who wants it.

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 10:58 PM

Rambo13

06-22-2006, 11:43 PM

I just realized we are doing a snake draft format

ButtleMan

06-23-2006, 09:20 AM

Everyone relax.
There are a lot of good fantasy GMs here, let's try to have fun because this league has a lot of potential. We don't want to lose anyone.

By the way which teams are you Buttle and Drew?

I am the Mighty Ones.

Don't be mad all yr because I didn't let you rape me for a TE.

It was no rape. I offered you a deal and you accepted it. There was no gun held to your head to accept. It was your decision. But because you werent sure of something about the draft, you asked for it to be vetoed and it was. There wasnt a counter offer or anything after that.
At ESPN, it automatically blocks off the first 6 rounds. To me, that says that everyone first 6 picks are protected but now I dont get a first round pick?

According to the last years final rankings, after eliminating the deleted teams, I finished 14th out of 16 teams. That means I should pick 3rd in the first round.
You're telling me that I would rather have Jason Witten than Manning or James or Harrison or Portis. Please.
I would have dropped my whole team if I could.

ButtleMan

06-23-2006, 09:47 AM

Last point. This was the only thing that I could find in this thread about how the drafting would work in regards to the amount of keepers each team keeps.

I'm deciding on wether to screw the people who take less players inorder to get better quality players or just leave it at even picks and let them get first pick.

I'm just saying that no where in this thread or on the web site does it say that you forfeit picks for keeping the max players. The way how the draft would work was not settled until the other day when the order was stated by the commish.
So the root of this is, I am asking the commish to allow me (and any other team confused) the chance to drop a player to recoup our first round pre-draft pick due to the confusion of the issue.

Thank you,

Buttleman
Team owner - The Mighty Ones

Drew

06-23-2006, 12:43 PM

Last point. This was the only thing that I could find in this thread about how the drafting would work in regards to the amount of keepers each team keeps.

I'm just saying that no where in this thread or on the web site does it say that you forfeit picks for keeping the max players. The way how the draft would work was not settled until the other day when the order was stated by the commish.
So the root of this is, I am asking the commish to allow me (and any other team confused) the chance to drop a player to recoup our first round pre-draft pick due to the confusion of the issue.

Thank you,

Buttleman
Team owner - The Mighty Ones

Buttle, You're so wise. :beer:

wildthing2022000

06-23-2006, 05:03 PM

You had a month and 1/2 to ask about this and you failed to do so. So why should I even allow this? It's not my fault you guys don't get active until the day before. I don't get how you guys even think you'd get rewarded for having more guys kept, yes I was unclear then but I didn't post what my decision was but all you had to do was ask what it was and nobody did so just deal with it.

ButtleMan

06-23-2006, 05:25 PM

wildthing2022000

06-23-2006, 07:08 PM

ButtleMan

06-23-2006, 07:45 PM

^count you out of what? I know you were active but things like this happen when no one asks about it, I'll admit I wasn't on the ball the entire time but you have to admit that you could of asked about it in order to clear things up and besides the draft would have to be offline if I did it the other way because ESPN has 6 rounds to start and they can't have null picks.

WT,
I understand difficulties of running a league, especially a keeper and trying to keep every one involved. It is difficult thing to do and I truly respect what you are trying to do but..

How am I supposed to ask a question about something that no one has any idea about?
The last thing that I knew about regarding the draft is that since I had one of the worst records remaining, I would have a top pick even with however many keepers I had.
There was never anything said to anyone about if you keep 6 keepers you dont participate in the pre-draft or 5 keepers you just get a 2nd rd pick in the pre draft etc...
If it had been brought up, then yes, I would asked to get clarification otherwise my belief that a draft would happen as a normal draft would.
Proof of this is the trade I offered to Smizzy. I honestly thought that the trade was for the his 7th round pick. not his first round. Which is part of the reason why I couldnt understand why it would get vetoed.
You are the commish. I asked you for a ruling and to consider something and you gave me your ruling. If the ruling stands then I dont think I want to continue with the league. This is all about having fun and if you're not having fun than why continue and so far, its been more of a chore for me.
I think Drew feels the same way I do so if both of us drop out, it will give you 14 teams which is enough to continue.
Good luck to you all.

Rambo13

06-23-2006, 08:15 PM

Don't do it ButtleMan...

Rambo13

06-23-2006, 08:35 PM

To Buttle and Drew.

I kinda felt like we should allow you to dorp an extra guy but you both only have 5 keepers anyways so you had in mind not to keep everyone and dropping 1 isn't going to improve your spot that much. If you had 6 I would suggest letting you drop one each.

To WT - Who are the Wombats?

wildthing2022000

06-23-2006, 09:41 PM

Fine since I wronged Buttle twice I'll allow him to drop 2 players and Drew gets to drop 1 just tell me who and I'll do it. How hard is it to ask how the draft works but whatever Smizzy asks when he doesn't know. If you have any issues just ask that's all.

Wombats is devil, I think.

Rambo13

06-23-2006, 10:39 PM

Buttle can only drop one since he only has 5 guys on his roster.

Did you pick Wombat's keepers?

Drew

06-24-2006, 02:26 AM

why does Buttle get 2 and I get 1???

wildthing2022000

06-24-2006, 07:57 AM

why does Buttle get 2 and I get 1???

He was offended 2 times compared to your 1

wildthing2022000

06-24-2006, 07:59 AM

Buttle can only drop one since he only has 5 guys on his roster.

Did you pick Wombat's keepers?

Then he only gets 1 then and if he didn't then yes I did.

Drew

06-24-2006, 01:15 PM

So his offense should carry to me since he only needs one. :lol:

wildthing2022000

06-24-2006, 02:24 PM

So his offense should carry to me since he only needs one. :lol:
It doesn't work like that.

ButtleMan

06-24-2006, 02:51 PM

Thank you for the ruling WT. I will only drop 1 to get to the mandatory 4 keepers. The player I will drop is Duece McCallister.

Rambo13

06-24-2006, 07:45 PM

What? You fought so hard to drop Deuce McAllister??
You would have been better off had WT denied you...

Smizzy

06-24-2006, 07:48 PM

It was no rape. I offered you a deal and you accepted it. There was no gun held to your head to accept. It was your decision. But because you werent sure of something about the draft, you asked for it to be vetoed and it was. There wasnt a counter offer or anything after that.

You said you thought I was trading you my actual 7th rd pick...not the 3rd rd pick which it really is. When I asked and found out the 7th rd was really my 3rd pick and I asked the trade be vetoed by the commish. I think we can both agree a 3rd rd pick for a TE is insane.

At ESPN, it automatically blocks off the first 6 rounds. To me, that says that everyone first 6 picks are protected but now I dont get a first round pick?

If they decided to keep 6. Obviously 4 and 5 keeper teams would get first dibs at the rookies. This is why we should have had a seperate rookie draft based on the # of keepers you have.

NY Vilmaniac

06-27-2006, 12:37 AM

hey...you guys think i could be first up if anyone drops out of the league this year or next year?

thanks

Rambo13

06-27-2006, 11:32 PM

So I officially have the 30th pick in the draft.

The only team that has their first pick after me is the Wombats.

Maybe I did mess up keeping 6. Oh well, time for some shrewd GM skills.

ScotsJet

06-28-2006, 06:16 AM

I'm a little confused. I have 5 keepers, but am listed as having a 1st round pick. Some teams are getting to make late changes because they didn't understand?

There is an offline predraft?

Can someone please make 1 post with the full rundown of the drafting process, who's drafting when, what players are not eligible to be selected (if any), etc., just to bring it all together?

Ta.

Rambo13

06-28-2006, 09:31 AM

The draft as far as I can tell goes in this order
Round 5
Hard Johnson's
Mighty One's
Edge
Renegades
JUNC
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats

Round 6
MSUJet
Hellcats
Mean Machine
Juggernauts
Mile High Jets
Punishers
JUNC
Renegades
Edge
Mighty Ones
Hard Johnson's
Red Rovers

Round 7 This is the first whole round, after this the draft will snake back and forth
Red Rovers
Hard johnson's
Mighty Ones
Edge
Tony
Renegades
JUNC
Crawdads
Punishers
Mile High Jets
Evil Monkeys
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats
Wombats
MSUJet

----

I believe we are drafting on TGG.com with a 24 hour max time limit in the hopes that people don't use the entire time. PM the next person in line when you finish your pick with an updated list of people drafted. Every player is eligible to be drafted except the players already kept, you can find those on the ESPN.com fantasy site, go to team rosters. Unfortunately there is not reallyh a list of available players because the list on ESPN.com only reflects the available players who played last year, thus rookies aren't included.

I think that is just about everything, although I am not sure how many rounds it is going to take.

The draft starts on the 1st of July

nyjunc

06-28-2006, 10:12 AM

when is the draft?

ButtleMan

06-28-2006, 10:20 AM

The draft as far as I can tell goes in this order
Round 5
Hard Johnson's
Edge
Renegades
JUNC
Mile High Jets
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats

Round 6
MSUJet
Hellcats
Mean Machine
Juggernauts
Mile High Jets
JUN
Renegades
Edge
Mighty Ones
Hard Johnson's
Red Rovers

Round 7 This is the first whole round, after this the draft will snake back and forth
Red Rovers
Hard johnson's
Mighty Ones
Edge
Tony
Renegades
JUNC
Crawdads
Punishers
Mile High Jets
Evil Monkeys
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats
Wombats
MSUJet

----

I believe we are drafting on TGG.com with a 24 hour max time limit in the hopes that people don't use the entire time. PM the next person in line when you finish your pick with an updated list of people drafted. Every player is eligible to be drafted except the players already kept, you can find those on the ESPN.com fantasy site, go to team rosters. Unfortunately there is not reallyh a list of available players because the list on ESPN.com only reflects the available players who played last year, thus rookies aren't included.

I think that is just about everything, although I am not sure how many rounds it is going to take.

With WT allowing me to drop an extra player, I believe that the order is now this.

Round 5
Hard Johnson's
Edge
The Mighty Ones
Renegades
JUNC
Mile High Jets
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats

Rambo13

06-28-2006, 01:20 PM

With WT allowing me to drop an extra player, I believe that the order is now this.

Round 5
Hard Johnson's
Edge
The Mighty Ones
Renegades
JUNC
Mile High Jets
Juggernauts
Mean Machine
Hellcats

Shit you are right, also I forgot to add Drew's extra pick (Punishers?)
P.S. I know Buttle dropped Deuce, but does anyone know who Drew dropped?

I editted my above post so it is now correct.

wildthing2022000

06-28-2006, 01:34 PM

Shit you are right, also I forgot to add Drew's extra pick (Punishers?)
P.S. I know Buttle dropped Deuce, but does anyone know who Drew dropped?

I editted my above post so it is now correct.

He dropped Kerney

ScotsJet

06-28-2006, 03:40 PM

So why do I get a round 1 pick with 5 keepers? I don't understand the process to working that out?

Rambo13

06-28-2006, 03:51 PM

So why do I get a round 1 pick with 5 keepers? I don't understand the process to working that out?

Which team are you?

This is a good time to mention that when you ask a question and don't say your team name, no one has any clue which one is yours as there is not always a direct link between TGG.com name and ESPN.com name (example: NYJUNC vs. DrewAlmighty-Pope's Papal Punishers)

Rambo13

06-28-2006, 04:21 PM

ScotsJet

For some reason your team shows 5 on the roster and 4 keepers, I guess I assumed you were keeping only 4 and missed the 5th, Deion Branch. I think yours is the only team like this and I know you had no control so when WildThing sees this I'm sure he will take care of it.

So yeah, you don't have a first round pick and my above post has been editted yet again

wildthing2022000

06-28-2006, 04:31 PM

Smizzy

06-28-2006, 05:10 PM

Ive never played in a keeper league and it took me all of 10 minutes to figure out how it's being run. We are 3 days before the draft and teams and still dropping players?

Dropping Duece and keeping a 2nd TE...tells me you got to looking at the list of available players (FA&Rookie) and changed your mind. You tried to trade me Witten. If you were dropping Duece and trading witten...you would have 3 keepers. Now all of the sudden you were unaware of the keeper situation and how many we could keep and by when?

I just think it's funny teams had their keepers locked in untill they realized they missed out on a 1st rd draft pick.

I kept 4 keepers on purpose....it awarded me a chance to sneak in early and grab some young guys. Looking thru the rosters there weren't that many teams who kept 4 (4 or 5)so it was a good deal. I dropped players accordingly. Now ,after the roster deadline....guys are dropping players because they want a first rd pick.

Sounds like horsesh*t in my book. You thought getting a trade vetoed was bad buttleman....Threatening to leave the league to make the commish let you drop players ,after the deadline to get that first rd pick...is terrible.

Rambo13

06-28-2006, 05:20 PM

Fixed the problem.....I think.:grin:

Yep looks like it, kudos to ScotsJet for identifying the problem and not just stealing an extra 1st round pick :up:

ScotsJet

06-29-2006, 05:41 AM

Ah, seems it's my mistake. I thought I'd marked all 5 as Keepers. Sorry!

Rambo13

06-29-2006, 08:35 AM

Ah, seems it's my mistake. I thought I'd marked all 5 as Keepers. Sorry!

No I think you did, the discrepency was on ESPN where we had no control.
Blame that rascal WildThing :up:

Rambo13

06-29-2006, 12:27 PM

Does anyone know if everyone has checked in? The draft starts in 2 days and I want to make sure everyone is on the same page so we don't have any missed picks or delays. Since we aren't drafting on ESPN there really is no fair way to draft for someone else.

Like who are the Wombats?? And where has Tony been??

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 02:51 PM

Can we post the draft order for everyone?

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 03:02 PM

Round 5
Hard Johnson's -
Edge -
The Mighty Ones -
Renegades -
JUNC -
Mile High Jets -
Juggernauts -
Mean Machine -
Hellcats -

Round 6
MSUJet -
Hellcats -
Mean Machine -
Juggernauts -
Mile High Jets -
Punishers -
JUNC -
Renegades -
Edge -
Mighty Ones -
Hard Johnson's -
Red Rovers -

Rambo13

06-29-2006, 03:17 PM

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 03:26 PM

what about round 7?

Who cares? That's online draft round 1. Don't concern yourself with that till later.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 04:18 PM

Round 5
Hard Johnson's -
Edge -
The Mighty Ones -
Renegades -
JUNC -
Mile High Jets -
Juggernauts -
Mean Machine -
Hellcats -

Mile High Jets has 5 Keepers WT. You might want to check that .

RB Cedric Benson, Chi RB K
WR Braylon Edwards, Cle WR K Q
TE Randy McMichael, Mia TE K P
Bench Troy Williamson, Min WR K P
Bench Deion Branch, NE WR

and UNC finished with the worst record,why doesn't he have first pick. Did I miss something?

Rambo13

06-29-2006, 04:30 PM

Who cares? That's online draft round 1. Don't concern yourself with that till later.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh. I thought we were doing it all offline. Now it all makes sense. Shit I don't even have a pick until then!!

Mile High Jets has 5 Keepers WT. You might want to check that .

RB Cedric Benson, Chi RB K
WR Braylon Edwards, Cle WR K Q
TE Randy McMichael, Mia TE K P
Bench Troy Williamson, Min WR K P
Bench Deion Branch, NE WR

and UNC finished with the worst record,why doesn't he have first pick. Did I miss something?

Thank God for Smizzy. Red Rovers actually had the worst record, but JUNC had the second worst. I dunno what's going on anymore haha but I don't have to worry since I have 6 keepers.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 04:56 PM

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 05:06 PM

^ thanks for the edit

ButtleMan

06-29-2006, 05:14 PM

It doesnt snake around for the 6th round?

If not then thats way cool.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 05:53 PM

..........

Rambo13

06-29-2006, 06:48 PM

Easton Red Rovers 3-10 (5 K)
nyj unc 4-10 (4K)
Staten Island Edges 5-8 (4K)
NY Hard johnson's 5-8 (4K)
The Mighty Ones 5-8 (4K)
Louisiana Crawdads 5-8 (6K)
Victory Kingpin Tony 6-6-1 (6K)
Oregon Wicked Wombats 7-6 (6K)
Riverside Renegades 7-6 (4K)
Mile High Jets 8-5 (5K)
Pope's Papal Punishers 9-4 (5K)
JetNation Juggernauts 9-4 (4 K)
Douglas Mean Machine 10-3 (4K)
Los Angeles Hellcats 10-3 (4K)
Pocono Mountain MSUJet 10-3 (5K)
VT Rambo 13-0 (6K)

Rd1 (RD5)should look like this

nyj unc 4-10 (4K)
Staten Island Edges 5-8 (4K)
NY Hard johnson's 5-8 (4K)
The Mighty Ones 5-8 (4K)
Riverside Renegades 7-6 (4K)
JetNation Juggernauts 9-4 (4 K)
Douglas Mean Machine 10-3 (4K)
Los Angeles Hellcats 10-3 (4K)

RD2 (Rd6)

Easton Red Rovers 3-10 (5 K)
nyj unc 4-10 (4K)
Staten Island Edges 5-8 (4K)
NY Hard johnson's 5-8 (4K)
The Mighty Ones 5-8 (4K)
Riverside Renegades 7-6 (4K)
Mile High Jets 8-5 (5K)
Pope's Papal Punishers 9-4 (5K)
JetNation Juggernauts 9-4 (4 K)
Douglas Mean Machine 10-3 (4K)
Los Angeles Hellcats 10-3 (4K)
Pocono Mountain MSUJet 10-3 (5K)

Actually that isn't entirely right either. I think we are including the playoffs into the team ranking, not just the regular season. Thus MSU would have the last pick not me, and I think 2 other teams would be after me in the draft order. (Hellcats and Wombats I believe [in that order] )

Just realized what (#K) meant... :drunk:

and what happened to the snake? Can't wait to get a site up and running where we can put down the rules and see updates. What ever happened to that WT?

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 06:56 PM

Actually that isn't entirely right either. I think we are including the playoffs into the team ranking, not just the regular season. Thus MSU would have the last pick not me, and I think 2 other teams would be after me in the draft order. (Hellcats and Wombats I believe [in that order] )

Just realized what (#K) meant... :drunk:

and what happened to the snake? Can't wait to get a site up and running where we can put down the rules and see updates. What ever happened to that WT?

Ask Petro. If people want to do articles go ahead.

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 06:59 PM

Round 5
Hard Johnson's -
Edge -
The Mighty Ones -
Renegades -
JUNC -
Juggernauts -
Mean Machine -
Hellcats -

Round 6
MSUJet -
Hellcats -
Mean Machine -
Juggernauts -
Mile High Jets -
Punishers -
JUNC -
Renegades -
Mighty Ones -
Edge -
Hard Johnson's -
Red Rovers -

Now this is correct I assume. I had a winner playoff and a loser playoff to prevent tanking.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 07:00 PM

What happened to adding a RB or a RB/WR Flex ? didn't we vote to add that?

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 07:05 PM

What happened to adding a RB or a RB/WR Flex ? didn't we vote to add that?

Thank you for reminding me I just added it.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 07:06 PM

Round 5
Hard Johnson's -
Edge -
The Mighty Ones -
Renegades -
JUNC -

Now this is correct I assume.

nyj unc 4-10 (4Keepers)
Staten Island Edges 5-8 (4Keepers)
NY Hard johnson's 5-8 (4Keepers)

Why would HJ pick before nyj unc ?

wildthing2022000

06-29-2006, 07:08 PM

nyj unc 4-10 (4Keepers)
Staten Island Edges 5-8 (4Keepers)
NY Hard johnson's 5-8 (4Keepers)

Why would HJ pick before nyj unc ?

You weren't here last year so I'll show you

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

We had a loser playoff bracket so everyone is active till the end.

Smizzy

06-29-2006, 09:07 PM

You weren't here last year so I'll show you

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

We had a loser playoff bracket so everyone is active till the end.

Thanks for taking the time to show me this.

nyjunc

06-30-2006, 09:27 AM

To be fair i didn't pick my team last year that's why i sucked.

Rambo13

06-30-2006, 04:48 PM

To be fair i didn't pick my team last year that's why i sucked.

Yeah but you have one of the better returning teams:
Larry Johnson
Santana Moss
Torry Holt

...Aaron Schobel

xxedge72x

07-01-2006, 01:35 PM

If anyone is interested, Zach Thomas is on the trading block...

Rambo13

07-01-2006, 01:49 PM

If anyone is interested, Zach Thomas is on the trading block...

It's your pick in the draft... FYI

xxedge72x

07-01-2006, 01:54 PM

Never mind, just found the email

Rambo13

07-01-2006, 02:17 PM

Everyone remember to PM the person after you to let them know they are drafting

Rambo13

07-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Yeah, really screwed the pooch with this one. Offline drafts are nearly impossible, and offline drafts over a holiday weekend is just assinine. Unless we can go to an online format and set an actual draft date and time, I'm out. 24 hour picks will take forever, and I just dont have the time to keep track of keepers and available players. This is supposed to be a fun distraction, not hard work.

Thanks, Hellcats.

Looks like fenwyr typed this and then peaced out. The sad thing is we were cruising until he complains that it is going to take forever and then he is the one who holds us up. Also, he complained about keeping track of players, well the only person who has less to keep track of who is drafting in these 2 rounds is MSUJet. Think about it, he picks at the end of the round so he has to follow the players before him and 1 extra pick. You other guys have way more to keep track of.

I guess it just irks me that someone would complain about it taking forever and then cause the delay.

wildthing2022000

07-14-2006, 03:24 AM

So I'm assuming with the 0 posts I can make up a date? I know it's a long time from now but you guys should have a handle of what days you're available to do this.

ScotsJet

07-14-2006, 05:28 AM

I will find it difficult whenever it is. I'm 5 hours ahead of you in any case and so it'll be really late here by the time you're all home from work. Not to mention that I'm moving town and jobs next week, so there'll be a settling in period and I have no idea what to expect in terms of hours, etc. and I don't have anywhere to live except with my parents for the short term. Like I said, difficult.

Rambo13

07-14-2006, 09:56 AM

night time is the best time to do it

twinjetfan

07-14-2006, 10:28 AM

I can do it anytime from August 1st to August 13th.

ButtleMan

07-14-2006, 11:31 AM

I just saw the email. If hellcats wants out, I'm sure you can find another owner who wants in.
For the Draft. If there is anyway it can be done during the weekday while I am at work, then that would be great but I might be able to make a weeknight draft at around 8:00. Weekends are definitely out for me.
If not, then I will have my pre-ranks all ready to go.

Blitz4Life

07-14-2006, 11:28 PM

can everyone just be aware that idk wtf is going on with my team and that i would like the commision to tell me how to use it cus i never used espn fantasy before and i just wanted all of u to know so i dont get booted out for inactivity

Rambo13

07-19-2006, 11:42 PM

So who are y'all installing as the early favorites to make a run at a championship?

I'm pretty terrified of JUNC's team. I just hope I catch him when the Chefs have a bye week. :up:
If Drew Brees plays like he did in SD, Smizzy might have a top tier team also.

I think Mile High Jets is going to make about a 6-7 year run at the title in 1-2 years with all those young guns.

ScotsJet

07-20-2006, 07:39 AM

That's the plan! :)

wildthing2022000

07-21-2006, 05:08 PM

So draft day can be on Aug. 2-3, 6-7, 9-10, 12-13. These are my open days that fit into twin's.

Rambo13

07-21-2006, 06:33 PM

So draft day can be on Aug. 2-3, 6-7, 9-10, 12-13. These are my open days that fit into twin's.

Can we nix the 12th? Or rather, make that the last choice, all others work for me as long as they are after like 6PM

MSUJet85

07-21-2006, 06:59 PM

The later the better for me

wildthing2022000

07-21-2006, 08:59 PM

does the 13th at 7 work,

twinjetfan

07-21-2006, 09:07 PM

Actually, I'm not sure if the 13th will work for me because as it turns out, it is my birthday, and I don't know what plans I have for that day. :ohmy: I definately agree with the time though. But if that is the only time others can do it, leave it.

nyjunc

07-22-2006, 11:32 AM

does the 13th at 7 work,

No, I am going away on the 5th and will be gone for 3 weeks. Can we do it before the 5th or after the 27th?

Rambo13

07-22-2006, 03:10 PM

No, I am going away on the 5th and will be gone for 3 weeks. Can we do it before the 5th or after the 27th?

Wow where are you going?

wildthing2022000

07-22-2006, 08:21 PM

The 2nd or 3rd at 7?

Rambo13

07-22-2006, 10:12 PM

either works for me

Smizzy

07-23-2006, 02:47 AM

either works for me

Me too WT.

nyjunc

07-23-2006, 08:42 AM

The 2nd or 3rd at 7?

That works for me.

Wow where are you going?

Vacation. We're going to a few different places w/ a cruise being part of the vacation.

Rambo13

07-23-2006, 11:14 AM

That works for me.

Vacation. We're going to a few different places w/ a cruise being part of the vacation.

That's a heck of a vacation. Sweet deal.

wildthing2022000

07-27-2006, 07:14 AM

Rules changes for 2007

They're logical. Plus they give me a chance to refer to myself in the third person, like Rickey Henderson. I've always wanted to do that. In order ...

1. Ten or 12 teams per league, 15 players per teams.

2. Every week you start a QB, two RBs, three WRs, one TE, one kicker, one defense and a 10th man from any position. For that 10th-man spot, only six times can you start a QB, RB or WR. So there's additional strategy involved: Not only do you need depth, but, since QBs always get the highest points, when you play the "second QB" card one week, you'd better need him.

3. Standard scoring: six points for rushing/receiving TDs; four points for passing TDs; three for FGs; one for PATs; six for defense/special teams TD; one for sacks/fumble recoveries/INTs; two for safeties; one for every 20 passing yards; one for every 10 rushing/receiving yards; 20 points for an arrest. However, there are wrinkles:

A) Five-point bonuses for 175 yards rushing/receiving and 350 yards passing. If somebody has a big day, that should be rewarded. Plus, it gives the "guy who loves to complain about everything, even if his team exploded for 200 points" a chance to complain when one of his players falls a yard shy of the bonus.

B) Shutouts count for 10 points, holding an opponent to seven or less counts for five and holding the other team to under 200 total yards counts as another five. Defenses don't matter enough in fantasy. In what other scenario is a tight end more important than all 11 guys on the opposing defense? I mean, except for Ben Coates in Madden '97?

C) Interceptions, fumbles and missed kicks count as minus-one; any pick returned for a TD counts as minus-six against your QB. We don't penalize for incompetence often enough. If you were so desperate you had to start Drew Bledsoe, then you should constantly be terrified of his trademark hanging floater toward the sideline that gets picked off by a cornerback running the other way. In other words, it should be like real life.

PROBLEM: Nobody can pull off a schmuck-free league.

Look, the duties of an owner are simple: Don't bring your girlfriend/wife to the draft; don't draft someone that was already drafted; don't draft an injured guy (leading your buddies to be thrust into an awkward position of either screwing you or giving you a do-over); try to field a competitive team; create an offensive team name; start a lineup of healthy players every week; return e-mails or phone calls within 24 hours unless you're trapped under something; and, when all else fails, at least come up with an occasional funny e-mail or message-board post.

But what about owners who bring nothing to the table and do a terrible job with their team? For whatever reason, it's less awkward for guys to dump a girlfriend than to discard a deadbeat fantasy owner. There's always some crazy reason to keep him around, like "It would be awkward for the commissioner to run into him at work" or "Let's cut him some slack, he's going through a divorce." Ridiculous. We already have to deal with too much dead weight in real life, we don't need it in our fantasy lives.

SOLUTION: The "three strikes and you're out" rule.

Here's how it works: During the draft, if you don't make any jokes and sit there looking like Mike Holmgren watching the Super Bowl XL video, that's a strike. If you repeatedly take too long to make picks, to the point that everyone is screaming 12-letter expletives every time you're on the clock, that's a strike. If more than twice you draft someone who was already drafted, because you aren't paying attention, that's a strike. If you draft an injured guy (leading to the aforementioned "should we or shouldn't we give him a do-over" intervention), that's a strike. If you spend the entire draft whispering on your cell phone to some unseen partner and ignoring everyone in the room, that's a strike. If you're too cheap to buy your own magazines and ask to borrow someone else's, that's a strike. If you forgot to bring money to the draft, that's a strike.

But wait, there's more. After the draft, if you don't return an e-mail or a phone call within 72 hours and can't come up with a valid excuse, that's a strike. If you go more than a month without sending a group e-mail or making a message-board post that belittles the credentials of someone else in the league, that's a strike. If you belatedly respond to someone's e-mail or phone call with a snarky comment like "Sorry I took so long to respond -- some of us actually have jobs" or "Just in case you forgot, there are more important things in life than fantasy football," that's a strike. If you started someone who's out for the season, or if you didn't use the waiver wire to try to replace that person, that's a strike. If you make a horrendously shady trade, even, if it gets overturned, that's still a strike. Three strikes and you're out. Simple as that.

PROBLEM: It's impossible to make it through a season without a one-sided trade causing complete chaos.

We all know that the wrong trade can divide a fantasy league faster than the Spelling family fell apart. In my West Coast league a few years ago, the first-place team had Brett Favre and Peyton Manning. It needed a receiver and traded Manning straight up for Amani Toomer. You read the correctly. Nearly 700 angry e-mails and five near-fistfights later, the trade was somehow approved. If that wasn't bad enough, the first-place team won the title -- Toomer filled a gaping hole at receiver -- and Manning's new team finished second. From then on, we called it Toomergate. And, honestly, I never want to go through anything like that again. It was more traumatic than the last 20 minutes of "American History X."

SOLUTION: Form a trading committee.

Enlist three unbiased outsiders who aren't in the league but are friends with a few of the owners. It's not like you'd have trouble convincing them. They'll be delighted to kill a few minutes at work arbitrating. And you think I'm kidding. They'll be like, "Wait, you want me to be on your league's new trading committee? Sure, I'm available!"

PROBLEM: The free agent system is a complete failure.

You know how someone does a brutal job picking his team and gets rewarded with first choice on the free agent wire every week? "Congratulations, you stunk out the joint; now you get to add a receiver who just exploded for 190 yards and a TD last week!" How does that make sense? You're almost better off tanking Week 1. Anyway, those days are over.

PROBLEM: There are never enough trades, and the trade deadline isn't exciting enough.

Tell me you don't know what I'm talking about.

SOLUTION: The deadline is Thursday night, 3 a.m., right before Week 11.

Here's the catch: On that night, every owner needs to go out drinking with his fellow owners. Nothing greases the skids for blockbuster trades like a few rounds of tequila shots. (I wish we could make this mandatory for pro sports as well.) And if somebody doesn't show up for the deadline bash and fails to provide a good excuse, that counts as a strike (see three-strike system).

PROBLEM: Unless you make the playoffs, your fantasy football season is done by Week 14.

Everyone willingly accepts a shorter season. Why? Because that's the way we've always done it. Well, isn't it possible we messed up from Day 1, like when HBO greenlit "Arli$$" and kept it on for seven years?

SOLUTION: Make the regular season last 17 weeks.

Why? BECAUSE A 21-WEEK FANTASY SEASON IS MORE FUN THAN A 16-WEEK FANTASY SEASON, THAT'S WHY!

Here's how this works:

1. The top four teams advance to the playoffs.

2. Playoff teams can protect just six players from their roster, which makes the original September draft more interesting. Now someone like Tom Brady is worth more than someone like Drew Brees, because of his playoff value.

3. Playoff rosters increase to 11 men: one QB, two RBs, three WRs, one TE, one kicker, one defense and two extra guys (any position). To fill out the last five spots, you hold another, minidraft, via e-mail, in which the playoff teams pick from the teams that fell short. Best record gets the first pick every round, second-best picks second and so on. Regular-season champs get an edge, but not an insurmountable one. Also, there's a skill to picking the playoff guys: If you like a wild-card team -- like Pittsburgh last season -- do you load up on those guys or play it safe with the top seeds?

4. Scoring is cumulative through the four playoff rounds. Highest total points wins.

Think about how your life would change with the 21-week system. You get a minimum of three extra fantasy weeks. The whole "fantasy teams getting screwed in Week 16 because contenders rested their guys" debacle is gone. Make the playoffs and you get to prepare for an e-mail minidraft. Like you wouldn't love that? And in January, not only do you get to watch playoff football, but there are fantasy implications with every game! What's better than that?

Remember, the whole concept of fantasy is based on procrastination: guys wasting incredible amounts of time preparing to pick the team, then picking it, managing it, arguing about it, following it, rooting for it and alternatively bragging/complaining about it. That's why we're involved. We should keep tinkering with the product until we get it right.

If that makes me a world-class complainer, so be it.

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Another possible rule change for 2007

ScotsJet

07-27-2006, 08:31 AM

heh, funny.

MSUJet85

07-27-2006, 10:35 AM

The 2nd or 3rd at 7?
Doesn't work for me, I'll be away that week, all the other weeks works fine with me

Smizzy

07-27-2006, 05:13 PM

PROBLEM: Unless you make the playoffs, your fantasy football season is done by Week 14.

Everyone willingly accepts a shorter season. Why? Because that's the way we've always done it. Well, isn't it possible we messed up from Day 1, like when HBO greenlit "Arli$$" and kept it on for seven years?

SOLUTION: Make the regular season last 17 weeks.

Why? BECAUSE A 21-WEEK FANTASY SEASON IS MORE FUN THAN A 16-WEEK FANTASY SEASON, THAT'S WHY!

This is an awful Idea. Most playoff teams bench their good player the last couple weeks of the season. And not for nothing...but you would be hard pressed to find 2 GM's who wouldn't mind fighting for a FF championship during the playoffs. The part about FF that makes everything fair is EVERYBODY HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE OF SCORING OR ACCUMALTING POINTS EACH WEEK. Which would be impossible to do since not every NFL team makes the playoffs. I don't think teams should be rewarded in any manner for having players who made the playoffs. What does that have to do with FF?

This rule isn't kosher. FF Super bowl should be no later than week 16. IMHO

ButtleMan

07-27-2006, 05:13 PM

This is an awful Idea. Most playoff teams bench their good player the last couple weeks of the season. And not for nothing...but you would be hard pressed to find 2 GM's who wouldn't mind fighting for a FF championship during the playoffs. The part about FF that makes everything fair is EVERYBODY HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE OF SCORING OR ACCUMALTING POINTS EACH WEEK. Which would be impossible to do since not every NFL team makes the playoffs. I don't think teams should be rewarded in any manner for having players who made the playoffs. What does that have to do with FF?

This rule isn't kosher. FF Super bowl should be no later than week 16. IMHO

The whole thing was a joke Smizzy.

Smizzy

07-27-2006, 05:15 PM

The whole thing was a joke Smizzy.

Ahhh...where was the punch line? lol.

fenwyr

07-27-2006, 05:49 PM

If the whole thing was a joke, am I still screwed by having one of my keepers be a defensive player? I think I get the joke, but someone please confirm we're still starting defensive players.