Derek Jeter...

[28rogerblaze51]

I love my yankees and DJ is my favorite player, he is the most clutch baseball player probably in history, is a great hitter, and proved once again in the WBC that he can hit even without spring training.

He is a really good defensive player and was great defensive player a couple of times.

Well, the point of this thread is to bring up something astonishing.

Derek jeter can be the only baseball player in history to play every year of his career in the playoffs!!!!! Wow, how many games in total is that? How many at bats? How many hits total? RBI's? Runs scored?

Derek jeter right now is tops in those categories since his rookie season, and will be the only champion in 2 diffrent centuries in recent time.

Yankees rule... And you all know you had derek jeter as your shortstop.

[ShadeTree#55]

Andruw Jones has also.

Jeter is a bone smuggler.

[NYJetFan37]

Jeter a really good defensive player?

LOL

[jkgrandchamp]

I love my yankees and DJ is my favorite player, he is the most clutch baseball player probably in history, is a great hitter, and proved once again in the WBC that he can hit even without spring training.

He is a really good defensive player and was great defensive player a couple of times.

Well, the point of this thread is to bring up something astonishing.

Derek jeter can be the only baseball player in history to play every year of his career in the playoffs!!!!! Wow, how many games in total is that? How many at bats? How many hits total? RBI's? Runs scored?

Derek jeter right now is tops in those categories since his rookie season, and will be the only champion in 2 diffrent centuries in recent time.

Yankees rule... And you all know you had derek jeter as your shortstop.
Dude Im a Yankee fan and I can think of 5 more clutch player than him yea hes a good player but you hyped him up a little . Heres my clutch listwhod Id want up down dy 1 with 1 man on and 2 out.
1. Pujols
2. Big Papi
3. Vlad
4. Bonds (When he wasnt injured)
5. Bernie

[Rextasy]

Derek Jeter isn't even the best SS in NY anymore..

[NYJetFan37]

Dude Im a Yankee fan and I can think of 5 more clutch player than him yea hes a good player but you hyped him up a little . Heres my clutch listwhod Id want up down dy 1 with 1 man on and 2 out.
1. Pujols
2. Big Papi
3. Vlad
4. Bonds (When he wasnt injured)
5. Bernie

Wow.....that is a horrible list....why is Bonds even on that?

[MParty7441]

The best SS in NY is David Wright....lol

[typeOnegative13NY]

Derek Jeter isn't even the best SS in NY anymore..:rofl: OH...OK

[Rextasy]

:rofl: OH...OK
He isn't even the best SS on his own team..

[Exit 117]

Best players around the league...

Catcher
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

1st Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

2nd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

3rd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-Ty Wigginton

Short Stop
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Left Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Center Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Right Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Designated Hitter
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright

Starting Pitchers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Closers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Middle Relievers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

[Exit 117]

Oh, and I can't take credit for this, but I found it at a Mets blog:
There has never been a question about the greatest ballplayer of all time. Some would argue hit machine Pete Rose. Some would say old greats like Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio. Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays fit in the argument too. Revisionists might throw in Barry Bonds or, if you're Peter Gammons, Nick Swisher or Scott Hatteberg. But in my mind there exists no doubt that the greatest player ever rests in a Manhattan townhouse that once also housed Jordanna Brewster, Mariah Carey and whoever else he dated. My eighth grade history teacher, a Red Sox fan, even described him as a "quality interracial ballplayer." The greatest player ever slots in between second base and third base every night for the Bronx Bombers. His name be Derek Jeter and there exists not enough server space on Blogger.com to do him justice in words. Let me begin: he has a .314 career BA. Beauteous, and, add that to a .389 OBP, the man is a god. Not to mention, he plays defense. He made that catch where he had to go headfirst into the stands, throwing cautions to the wind, the fearless leader did what he does best. And for all you naysayers, he could not have stopped nor could he have braced himself. Have you forgotten that relay he made to nail the fat and lazy Jeremy Giambi at the plate in Oakland? I can see it all coming back to me. Spencer's throw is off the mark, it will miss the cutoff man. OH MY GOD, here comes Jeter, with the backhand relay to Posada. Giambi is duck meat at the dish. What a beautiful play. I've never seen a better relay in my life. Jeter, also, in case you lived in a cave during the late 1990s, led the Yankees to four World Championships. How many did A-Rod win? Miguel Tejada? Ozzie Smith? Edgar Renteria? Cristian Guzman? Rey Ordoñez? Cal Ripken? Bobby Crosby? That's what I thought. And who else has 142 postseason hits? No one, that's who. This guy is worth the price of admission himself. The one time I was fortunate enough to get great seats for a Yankee game, I was four rows behind home plate, and I called out to DJ. He turned around (so did Johnny Damon when I called to him, but that's another story for another time). The guy has charisma. All of these things combined don't even make him the greatest player ever. The beast is the total package: a 118 VORP in 1999 with a 180 million dollar smile.

We love ya, DJ.

[PinPointPenning10]

Best players around the league...

Catcher
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

1st Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

2nd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

3rd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-Ty Wigginton

Short Stop
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Left Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Center Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Right Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Designated Hitter
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright

Starting Pitchers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Closers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Middle Relievers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

You forgot Pedro. :wink:

[jkgrandchamp]

Wow.....that is a horrible list....why is Bonds even on that?
Look at those guys and what they have done with games on the line .
Bonds why hate on him ? Theres no reason

[AMJets]

5. Bernie

This is 2006, not 1996.

[Cakes]

...hangs out with Lance Bass.

[facch]

Jeter a really good defensive player?

LOL

Didn't he just win a Gold Glove? I'm sure that usually means you're a pretty darn good fielder.

[AMJets]

Didn't he just win a Gold Glove? I'm sure that usually means you're a pretty darn good fielder.

Although Jeter's defense has recently improved dramatically, the GG is really a worthless award. Andruw Jones wins the GG every year, and he hasn't been a good defensive player in years.

[NYJetFan37]

Look at those guys and what they have done with games on the line .
Bonds why hate on him ? Theres no reason

Besides one Post Season, Barry has been a complete choker....

[NYJetFan37]

Didn't he just win a Gold Glove? I'm sure that usually means you're a pretty darn good fielder.

He didn't deserve it

[GreenMachine]

Best players around the league...

Catcher
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

1st Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

2nd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

3rd Basemen
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-Ty Wigginton

Short Stop
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Left Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Center Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Right Fielder
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Designated Hitter
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright

Starting Pitchers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Closers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright

Middle Relievers
1-David Wright
2-David Wright
3-David Wright
4-David Wright
5-David Wright
6-David Wright
7-David Wright
8-David Wright
9-David Wright
10-David Wright


Hmmm... Sounding Like someone is a Sidney Crosby fan....

[kinghenry89]

Didn't he just win a Gold Glove? I'm sure that usually means you're a pretty darn good fielder.
He didn't really deserve the gold glove but it doesn't change the fact that he has possibly the best range at SS in baseball and is without a doubt the best shortstop in baseball at catching balls in the outfield.

The quality of the arguements against Jeter pretty much show you what an excellent player he is. It's like Denis Potvin and Rangers fans--when no Mets fan can really say anything about Jeter except "Jeter sucks!" or "Jeter and A-Rod are gay!" you know that a guy is good.

[nyscene911]

He didn't really deserve the gold glove but it doesn't change the fact that he has possibly the best range at SS in baseball and is without a doubt the best shortstop in baseball at catching balls in the outfield.

The quality of the arguements against Jeter pretty much show you what an excellent player he is. It's like Denis Potvin and Rangers fans--when no Mets fan can really say anything about Jeter except "Jeter sucks!" or "Jeter and A-Rod are gay!" you know that a guy is good.

I wish saying "Matsui sucks" would have the same effect on him as it does on Jeter then, lol.

[boomer]

Derek Jeter isn't even the best SS in NY anymore..
:rofl: :rofl: Ok...

[FITM]

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Explain. :up:

[Jake]

Sheffield has been pretty damn clutch. I think he led the AL or Majors in BA w/ RISP last year. Jeter is pretty clutch too, but this topic could be debated for millions of years without resolve.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Sheffield has been pretty damn clutch. I think he led the AL or Majors in BA w/ RISP last year. Jeter is pretty clutch too, but this topic could be debated for millions of years without resolve.



Neither of them did jack to get them out of the first round. Yankee fans can debate it for millions of years... for the rest of us, it's not even a debate.

[28rogerblaze51]

Andruw Jones has also.

Jeter is a bone smuggler.

Andruw jones, has also been in the playoffs his whole career also but man, who is more clutch that is the point. Who has more hits in the playoffs? who has the best intangables? Who makes plays people love? Who knows when a hit is better than a homerun in the playoffs? C'mon man DJ is the man.

P.S. Who has more championships? DJ

[28rogerblaze51]

In any playoff situation who would you rather have at the plate or on defense?

David wright or derek jeter?

C'mon now put david wright in all situations jeter has been in te playoffs and we would not won 4 championships nor would he had made those spectacular plays that people talk about.

Ok now, bye bye then.

[The U]

have to agree with you DJ is due for an MVP season and this will be his year and the yankees year.

[FirstTimeCaller]

DJ as the MVP?? Pass me that pipE! Everything RogerBlaze is talking about is team related or non measurable for individual players. Intangibles and cluchness are two ways of saying nonsense... Yankee fans beating their chest in April and eating their own 200 million dollar dick in the autumn is getting laughable. Where are all your might predictions? Seems most of you have quieted down considerably.... LOL!

[28rogerblaze51]

Ok how about this... We will win the world series and the mets wont.

[FITM]

Ok how about this... We will win the world series and the mets wont.

Not before you choke.

[28rogerblaze51]

^ not this year.. And its funny coming from a metfan, knowing his team chokes every single year... Hahha MWASNY.

[Cellar-door]

He didn't really deserve the gold glove but it doesn't change the fact that he has possibly the best range at SS in baseball and is without a doubt the best shortstop in baseball at catching balls in the outfield.

Actually Jeter is very close to the bottom of the league in range, he has awful range. He was 31st out of 38 for 2005, a great improvement over his 2004 when he was dead last. Jeter's defense is mediocre, he makes solid plays on the balls he gets to, but his range is awful.

[boomer]

Not before you choke.
Does not even qualifying for the playoffs for six years count as choking?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

He didn't really deserve the gold glove but it doesn't change the fact that he has possibly the best range at SS in baseball and is without a doubt the best shortstop in baseball at catching balls in the outfield.


Ah now your steadfast defense of Herm even after he's gone begins to make sense. It must be some kind of dyslexia that afflicts yourself and junc causing you to see the opposite of what is true in certain sports figures.

[FirstTimeCaller]

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[Exit 117]

Andruw jones, has also been in the playoffs his whole career also but man, who is more clutch that is the point. Who has more hits in the playoffs? who has the best intangables? Who makes plays people love? Who knows when a hit is better than a homerun in the playoffs? C'mon man DJ is the man.

P.S. Who has more championships? DJ
:rofl2: :rofl2:

[28rogerblaze51]

^hahaha spellcheck to lazy to do it.
Intangebles - intangerbels - insuntan - intanhamster - intangerine....

[3rdAnd15Draw]

^hahaha spellcheck to lazy to do it.
Intangebles - intangerbels - insuntan - intanhamster - intangerine....

I don't think he was laughing at your spelling but rather your attempt to quantify something that by its definition cannot be quantified.

[FITM]

Does not even qualifying for the playoffs for six years count as choking?

Well, buying a playoff spot doesn't actually count.

[28rogerblaze51]

I pretty much think anything in this world can be compared.

[Cellar-door]

Comparing players based on Championships is useless in baseball because it isn't a game that a single player can dominate, especially a field Player.
Also after a little addition research i found that jeter is quantifiably a very bad defensive shortstop. RF, UZR, ZR any system you want, Jeter is near the bottom of the league every single year. His range especially going to his right is positively attrocious.

[Tight]

Dude Im a Yankee fan and I can think of 5 more clutch player than him yea hes a good player but you hyped him up a little . Heres my clutch listwhod Id want up down dy 1 with 1 man on and 2 out.
1. Pujols
2. Big Papi
3. Vlad
4. Bonds (When he wasnt injured)
5. Bernie

he said clutch not home run hitters... Theres only one person who can be considered more clutch then Jeter on that list "BIg papi"

and now pujols is a clutch player cause he that 1 homerun last season. Please ur bugging me

[28rogerblaze51]

he said clutch not home run hitters... Theres only one person who can be considered more clutch then Jeter on that list "BIg papi"

and now pujols is a clutch player cause he that 1 homerun last season. Please ur bugging me

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Big papi more clutch than jeter WTF? Your crazy... Ortiz has been doing this cluth hitting for about 2-3 years maybe 4 and won 1 title, have to check the numbers, jeter has been doing it for a decade and has won 4 titles. And he is more clutch than jeter, you deserve a smackdown with the peoples elbow, followed by a bronco buster.

And pujols is a great player, but he is not close to jeter yet with the clutch until he does for more years also and wins a title to show he can win a title for his team.
I dont doubt pujols at all but chill with the clutch part and comparing them with jeter.

Game over...

[Tight]

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Big papi more clutch than jeter WTF? Your crazy... Ortiz has been doing this cluth hitting for about 2-3 years maybe 4 and won 1 title, have to check the numbers, jeter has been doing it for a decade and has won 4 titles. And he is more clutch than jeter, you deserve a smackdown with the peoples elbow, followed by a bronco buster.

And pujols is a great player, but he is not close to jeter yet with the clutch until he does for more years also and wins a title to show he can win a title for his team.
I dont doubt pujols at all but chill with the clutch part and comparing them with jeter.

Game over...

Dear Douche,
Please note that in my previous post I stated that big papi could be "CONSIDERED" more clutch then Jeter.You do know what that word means ? Relax. Just becuase you dream of jeter, does'nt mean I have to. Clown

[28rogerblaze51]

Dear Douche,
Please note that in my previous post I stated that big papi could be "CONSIDERED" more clutch then Jeter.You do know what that word means ? Relax. Just becuase you dream of jeter, does'nt mean I have to. Clown

I give you Douche bag, and raise you being a kotex with period blood.

I know what you wrote wanna be tough guy, stop trying to follow in my footsteps, there is room for only one.

Even considering ortiz with clutch and jeter in the same sentence is hilarious, you could maybe bring up, ummmm.... Well nobody at all. So be quiet. And stop trying to post smart shit. Because your not.

Go and play with trolls in TTF.

[Tight]

Please do something constructive with your life. Im no tough guy, nor do I pretend to be. Just because your argument lacks zero substance, its not my fault. Im no troll this is a forum and I have a RIGHT to agree and disagree so chill. Clown

[Exit 117]

Go and play with trolls in TTF.
He seems to be doing that just fine here.

[Tight]

Im not a Jeter fan, nor am I a big papi fan. I simply stated that an argument could me made for David Ortiz as a better clutch player. If thats trolling, neither of you understand what trolling is. Hey dig this khalil greene is a better defensive SS then Jeter, how you like that ?

[28rogerblaze51]

Please do something constructive with your life. Im no tough guy, nor do I pretend to be. Just because your argument lacks zero substance, its not my fault. Im no troll this is a forum and I have a RIGHT to agree and disagree so chill. Clown

My reply was to answer your ridiculous notion on clutch hitting and comparing anybody to jeter in that category, which requires no substance, its not a begining topic, its an answer. You peabrain.

I didnt call you a troll, haha now its your turn to read. I said play with the trolls in TTF.

[Exit 117]

I didnt call you a troll, haha now its your turn to read. I said play with the trolls in TTF.
And like I said, he is doing that here.

[28rogerblaze51]

He seems to be doing that just fine here.

Hmmm last time i checked this was a jets site, not a mets site. Dont get mad because your a miserable mets fan.

Dont get mad because your beloved mets have been choking since 2000, and havent won a title in 2 decades. I guess you have fantasy baseball to keep you happy.

[Tight]

Khalil Greene !

[Exit 117]

Hmmm last time i checked this was a jets site, not a mets site. Dont get mad because your a miserable mets fan.

Dont get mad because your beloved mets have been choking since 2000, and havent won a title in 2 decades. I guess you have fantasy baseball to keep you happy.
And last I checked, you're always on the defensive and always attacking non-Yankee fans. If anything, you're just getting mad because your beloved Yankees will take their rightful place in the backseat of New York after $783,466,307 has bought you zero rings in 4 tries, and now you understand that the Mets are a real time. Step aside, Yanqui.

[28rogerblaze51]

Khalil Greene !

I guess you need to go to grammar comprehension classes, because you still dont get it. I said play with the trolls, never did i say you are one. SMH.

And again you cant compare nobody to jeter in the clutch department for another 5 years.

[28rogerblaze51]

And last I checked, you're always on the defensive and always attacking non-Yankee fans. If anything, you're just getting mad because your beloved Yankees will take their rightful place in the backseat of New York after $783,466,307 has bought you zero rings in 4 tries, and now you understand that the Mets are a real time. Step aside, Yanqui.

Really? And correcting someone is attacking? this is my thread, not a met thread, so go and keep posting nonsense in the GYC thread thats where it belongs.

What does having the biggest payroll in your division bought you? Last place?

All im saying is winning 4 titles in 10 years is outstanding. How mnay for the mets? 0.

[Tight]

you didnt buy this thread its not yours, its petrozzas. Relax dude.

[CP to LC =TD]

He didn't deserve it

So who did??

[Cellar-door]

I guess you need to go to grammar comprehension classes, because you still dont get it. I said play with the trolls, never did i say you are one. SMH.

And again you cant compare nobody to jeter in the clutch department for another 5 years.
Might want to read this : To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily. 22001
it might come as a suprise to you that in clutch situations jeter is actually not a very good hitter, it doesn;t include pre - 1999 because stats weren;t available, but since then, he is about a 167 hitter close and late, and hits poorly with runners on, and runners on 2 out.

[Cellar-door]

So who did??
either peralta or uribe

[28rogerblaze51]

^ so if you say jeter is not that good, then everybody else is extremely horrible.

[28rogerblaze51]

you didnt buy this thread its not yours, its petrozzas. Relax dude.

Its my thread, im the author, im responsible for what i wrote starting it,
People like reading my posts, when did you ever start a thread that brung in high volume of traffic? Or have gotten high replies? None.

Play your position n00b, your messing with a heavyweight, you do not want to get K.O.ed.

[28rogerblaze51]

Cellar-door, why dont you post all of jeters post season numbers not just 4 years worth. And post everyone else who people claim is arguable in the same topic.

You would find jeter is much better than all, that writer is just basing it on jeter and did not compare to anyother player.

Because he knows jeter is the best clutch hitter so far in history.

And like i mentioned in the prior post, if jeter's numbers arent that good, then everybody else's is extremely horrible.

[kinghenry89]

Actually Jeter is very close to the bottom of the league in range, he has awful range. He was 31st out of 38 for 2005, a great improvement over his 2004 when he was dead last. Jeter's defense is mediocre, he makes solid plays on the balls he gets to, but his range is awful.

Based on what, some moneyball calculation? If you can show me a shortstop that makes plays in the hole (not A-Rod's hole:mad: ) better than Jeter I'd like to see him.

Anyway, back to Jeter's greatness:

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[Tight]

Its my thread, im the author, im responsible for what i wrote starting it,
People like reading my posts, when did you ever start a thread that brung in high volume of traffic? Or have gotten high replies? None.

Play your position n00b, your messing with a heavyweight, you do not want to get K.O.ed.

You have 1800 post and 1795 of them are bullshit. I have a feeling your really going to have a good nights sleep today becuase you started a good thread, and quite frankly its SAD.

[Tight]

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[Cellar-door]

Based on what, some moneyball calculation? If you can show me a shortstop that makes plays in the hole (not A-Rod's hole:mad: ) better than Jeter I'd like to see him.
Jeter has no range, none every player in the league has highlight reel plays, jeter's problem isn't that he can't field the ball hit to him, it is that he doesn't get to anywhere near the number of Groundballs he should.

Also to 28Rog, as I mentioned in my post, the reason years before 1999 aren't used its that data isn;t available. As to other people must be worse, I'm sure some are, however many are much better, Ortiz actually performs better C&L than regularly, Matsui recently has been a very good close and late player,
Edit also clutch players- garrett Anderson,

[28rogerblaze51]

^ when ortiz has 10 years under his belt and is clutch in all those years then talk.

[Cellar-door]

^ when ortiz has 10 years under his belt and is clutch in all those years then talk.
The Point is there is no evidence that Jeter has ever actually been clutch, he hits well in the playoffs, but doesn't in the situations regualr season or playoffs where he would most need to in order to be clutch. if the game is close and it's late in the game jeter is a below average hitter. matsui, sheffield, williams, all these guys on his own team are much better clutch hitters, he simply got this reputation in the media and it has spiraled out of control, just like the idea that he is anything but a below averag fielder

[28rogerblaze51]

The Point is there is no evidence that Jeter has ever actually been clutch, he hits well in the playoffs, but doesn't in the situations regualr season or playoffs where he would most need to in order to be clutch. if the game is close and it's late in the game jeter is a below average hitter. matsui, sheffield, williams, all these guys on his own team are much better clutch hitters, he simply got this reputation in the media and it has spiraled out of control, just like the idea that he is anything but a below averag fielder

No indication? WTF...

I give you one indication..
Against the arizona diamondbacks, MR.NOVEMBER ring a bell?

[Exit 117]

No indication? WTF...

I give you one indication..
Against the arizona diamondbacks, MR.NOVEMBER ring a bell?
Hmmm... against the Diamondbacks... Clutch situation... Yeah, people are going to remember whatever Jeter did over the blown save by Rivera...

[kinghenry89]

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Those were all beautiful defensive plays but only 2 or so really showed off great range. You keep saying that it's a fact that Jeter has no range, but really if you ask just about anybody who watches Jeter they'll give you a different answer.

The Point is there is no evidence that Jeter has ever actually been clutch

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. Not even the rabid anti-Jeter Mets fans on this site are going to back you up on that one.

[Cellar-door]

No indication? WTF...

I give you one indication..
Against the arizona diamondbacks, MR.NOVEMBER ring a bell?
yes he had a great homerun in game 4, and he was positively attrocious for the series, 0-6 in late and close situations. This is the series his rep is built on, but in reality he had one great dramatic homerun,and underperformed the rest of the series

[28rogerblaze51]

I give you another one, that has nothing to do with hitting. The infamous cutoff throw, to get out giambi.

Who in the hell would of done that?

Noone.

[boomer]

Can't we all just agree on that he's a very good player, great leader, and a proven winner, or is that too much?

[FirstTimeCaller]

No indication? WTF...

I give you one indication..
Against the arizona diamondbacks, MR.NOVEMBER ring a bell?

You mean when he didn't get to that easy blooper up the middle and the D-backs won game 7? :lol:

[ShadeTree#55]

who is more clutch that is the point. Who has more hits in the playoffs? who has the best intangables?
:rofl:

Jeter is the Easter Bunny.

[28rogerblaze51]

Metfans why did billy wagner enter the game on enter the sandman?

Thats mariano's song, wagner cant hold mariano's jockstrap.

[Cellar-door]

Metfans why did billy wagner enter the game on enter the sandman?

Thats mariano's song, wagner cant hold mariano's jockstrap.
Mariano jacked it from Wagner, he had it first

[ShadeTree#55]

Its his song, Mariano just bit his style. Whack ass bitch that he is.

[nyscene911]

Metfans why did billy wagner enter the game on enter the sandman?

Thats mariano's song, wagner cant hold mariano's jockstrap.

The fact that you actually care about this is pretty sad.

Not to mention that the name of the song is "Enter Sandman," and as far as I'm aware Rivera doesn't own the rights to that song.

[28rogerblaze51]

Wagner is a metallica fan, mariano used it first and it suites him better, because of why?

4 championships....

[28rogerblaze51]

Ok wagner used it his whole career, fine.
Mariano justifies that song to the fullest.

And you mets are lucky you won that game, the game should of been tied with that blown call at the plate, loduca dropped that throw, so the mets got 2 blown calls in their favor. Hahahahah losers. Needs umpires help to get a win.

Hahaha now read it and get mad boys....hahahahah

[ShadeTree#55]

Quit sweating the Mets rog. Don't you have an Ebay auction for Jeter's used jock to worry about?

[jonnyd]

Dude Im a Yankee fan and I can think of 5 more clutch player than him yea hes a good player but you hyped him up a little . Heres my clutch listwhod Id want up down dy 1 with 1 man on and 2 out.
1. Pujols
2. Big Papi
3. Vlad
4. Bonds (When he wasnt injured)
5. Bernie
dude...no.. check pujols numbers against boston 2 years a go....or vlad against the sox last year.....bonds post-season numbers are pretty poor also...your list is a complete joke,,,if youre talking "clutch" you have to look at post-season numbers first.;

[FITM]

Wagner is a metallica fan, mariano used it first and it suites him better, because of why?

4 championships....

Wrong.

Wagner started using it before Mariano in '96.

[ShadeTree#55]

Sample size.

[jonnyd]

Derek Jeter isn't even the best SS in NY anymore..
another retarded statemnet...retarded

[jonnyd]

DJ as the MVP?? Pass me that pipE! Everything RogerBlaze is talking about is team related or non measurable for individual players. Intangibles and cluchness are two ways of saying nonsense... Yankee fans beating their chest in April and eating their own 200 million dollar dick in the autumn is getting laughable. Where are all your might predictions? Seems most of you have quieted down considerably.... LOL!
dude you sound like a typical toolbag met fan....what the fuck have yuo guys won lololololo i guess if you consider a season a success as long as the yanks dont win the world series then youre ok...worry about yer own team:lol:

[jonnyd]

so it wont count this year if you guys make it to the playoffs with ....delgado..beltran..floyd..pedro..wagner..loduca ...glavine...etc...???reyes and wright are yours dude......jeter posada bernie mariano pettitte...ya know the heart of the team...thats who we won championships with....another retarded met fan comment

[FITM]

so it wont count this year if you guys make it to the playoffs with ....delgado..beltran..floyd..pedro..wagner..loduca ...glavine...etc...???reyes and wright are yours dude......jeter posada bernie mariano pettitte...ya know the heart of the team...thats who we won championships with....another retarded met fan comment

Well you didn't have 3 pitchers 34 and above in your starting rotation either.

[ShadeTree#55]

Ummm Heilman, Diaz, Hernandez, Bannister.

Douche.

[jonnyd]

Ummm Heilman, Diaz, Hernandez, Bannister.

Douche.
are you trying to compare heilman(bullpen) diaz(i dunno backup outfielder?)bannister(fifth starter with 0 starts in the major leagues) are you a complete clown dude...please if you want to argue mets-yanks i'll be happy to...but act like you know something,anything about baseball...until then youre dismissed

[jonnyd]

Well you didn't have 3 pitchers 34 and above in your starting rotation either.
wtf? huh?point is?

[BIG COUNTRY]

Jeter has all the other intangibles you cant measure.

[FITM]

wtf? huh?point is?

If we dont make the playoffs, it's more than likely because of that.

[FITM]

are you trying to compare heilman(bullpen) diaz(i dunno backup outfielder?)bannister(fifth starter with 0 starts in the major leagues) are you a complete clown dude...please if you want to argue mets-yanks i'll be happy to...but act like you know something,anything about baseball...until then youre dismissed

Wow. :rofl2:

Coming into this thread with big balls eh?

[28rogerblaze51]

Lol reading this thread is fun.....

Loduca dropped ball mets win ahahahahah........ What luck...well i guess you need it.

[ShadeTree#55]

Well you can tell is April, not October. Arod and Matsui are driving in runs.

[28rogerblaze51]

Why dont you guys write a letter to beltran, saying its ok we know your not worth the money we spent on you, but its ok keep your head up.

[ShadeTree#55]

Why don't you write the same letter to the entire Yankee roster?

[28rogerblaze51]

My yankees always get there numbers, do the mets? No way.

Why do you think beltran wanted to become a yankee and was going to take significantly less money?

Because he knows he is not worth that much.

[JetsVilma28]

^thoes are my Yankees, but anyways Jeter is God's gift to baseball.

[jonnyd]

If we dont make the playoffs, it's more than likely because of that.
that wasnt the argument....you claimed the yankees just by their team....how is this current met team put together.....by buying everyone...its called free agency and no salary cap.....thats what baseball is today...and i thank god for steinbrenner who gets me to the playoffs every year...how you like wilpon dude?

[kinghenry89]

This thread is so sad. I said it before and I'll say it again: the fact that you guys can't come up with a better criticism of Jeter than "he sucks" really just proves that he is a fantastic player.

Start your whining about the Yankees when the Mets are out of contention. You don't wanna run out of material by May.

[poiu]

I tried so hard to stay out of this thread but I can't do it anymore...

This thread is so sad. I said it before and I'll say it again: the fact that you guys can't come up with a better criticism of Jeter than "he sucks" really just proves that he is a fantastic player.

Start your whining about the Yankees when the Mets are out of contention. You don't wanna run out of material by May.

How can you say that us dj bashers haven't come up with any proof of him being overrated? Time after time we point out how his #'s are good but not great and how he is making 20+ mil. Time after time the yankees fans point out how clutch he is. However, time after time we point out how all his numbers decline in the postseason and late in the game and with risp. We also point out how statistically he's one of the worst fielders in the league. And after that barrage of stats the only response from the yankees fans is that it SEEMS to them that jeter always comes up big when it counts. Yet somehow the jeter bashers are the ones that don't provide any facts?

[Cellar-door]

This thread is so sad. I said it before and I'll say it again: the fact that you guys can't come up with a better criticism of Jeter than "he sucks" really just proves that he is a fantastic player.
ummm... this thread is loaded with my posts all of which show in a verifiable and quantitative manner that jeter is a subpar to awful fielder, and actually performs worse than an average player in late and close situations. All the yankees fans defend with is terrible generalizations and blind faith. it's like carl everett standing in a museum looking at a dinosaur skeleton telling you it doesn't exist.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

ummm... this thread is loaded with my posts all of which show in a verifiable and quantitative manner that jeter is a subpar to awful fielder, and actually performs worse than an average player in late and close situations. All the yankees fans defend with is terrible generalizations and blind faith. it's like carl everett standing in a museum looking at a dinosaur skeleton telling you it doesn't exist.

you obviously didn't see the youtube videos kinghenry posted :breakdance:

[boomer]

Well you can tell is April, not October. Arod and Matsui are driving in runs.
And the Mets are still playing.

[jonnyd]

And the Mets are still playing.
hahah nice job...still waiting for responses on my post questioning that moronic comparison between the mets farm products and the yankees.....amazing that met fans actually post that the yankees suck and yadda yadda yadda...win something first guys ...something.....gee i wonder who's gonna win the nl east this year....ummm the braves maybe????hahah 15 years now...cmon...the mets are a bigger a joke than the jets

[FITM]

hahah nice job...still waiting for responses on my post questioning that moronic comparison between the mets farm products and the yankees.....amazing that met fans actually post that the yankees suck and yadda yadda yadda...win something first guys ...something.....gee i wonder who's gonna win the nl east this year....ummm the braves maybe????hahah 15 years now...cmon...the mets are a bigger a joke than the jets

Don't buy your rings, earn 'em.

[Tight]

Don't buy your rings, earn 'em.

Ill never undetrstand a comment like this coming from a Mets fan considering you guys did the same exact thing this offseason. Please dont be a hypocrit.

[Drew]

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Khalil is great, no doubt, he's one of my favorite ballplayers, but to insist he is in the same league as Jeter is rediculous.

[ButtleMan]

Don't buy your rings, earn 'em.


Largest payroll doesnt always win the Series. It still has to be played.
Last I checked, Yanks havent won the series since 2000 despite their payroll.

During their big run 96-00, the team played well together in addition to having the highest payroll. It also didnt hurt that the majority of team wasnt a few years away from collecting social security.

Georgie likes to spend money. What an evil man.......

[FITM]

Largest payroll doesnt always win the Series. It still has to be played.
Last I checked, Yanks havent won the series since 2000 despite their payroll.

During their big run 96-00, the team played well together in addition to having the highest payroll. It also didnt hurt that the majority of team wasnt a few years away from collecting social security.

Georgie likes to spend money. What an evil man.......

EVIL!

He set a bad example for Isiah Thomas, except he failed.

[boomer]

Don't buy your rings, earn 'em.
How do you earn rings? Develolping key farm system players like Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Williams, Soriano, and Posada? Making good aquisitions like O'Neil, Brosius, Marntinez, and Hernandez? If not, then what qualifies as "earning" a championship, having a ridiculously low payroll? Then why do teams spend money? How would free agents be signed? Would a team simply not choose to sign a player that adresses a team need because they wouldn't "earn" a championship? Where do you draw the line with your payroll? Should the team owner be punished for going the "moral" payroll limit? And if so, how?

Bottom line is the Yankees did earn all of their championships and they earned them on the field. Just like how if they win this year, they'll earn it on the field. And in case you forgot, the innocent underdog Mets have the 3rd highest payrolll in baseball. A payroll that rapidly continues to grow. 27 other teams can say the same thing about the Mets "not earning" a championship.

But if none of this makes sense to you, keep to your lame "Yankees suck" circle jerk rallies.

[FITM]

And in case you forgot, the innocent underdog Mets have the 3rd highest payrolll in baseball. A payroll that rapidly continues to grow.


That's where you're wrong. The Mets payroll is actually almost identical to last year or lower.

[boomer]

That's where you're wrong. The Mets payroll is actually almost identical to last year or lower.
The Yankees payroll is lower then last year.

[jonnyd]

How do you earn rings? Develolping key farm system players like Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Williams, Soriano, and Posada? Making good aquisitions like O'Neil, Brosius, Marntinez, and Hernandez? If not, then what qualifies as "earning" a championship, having a ridiculously low payroll? Then why do teams spend money? How would free agents be signed? Would a team simply not choose to sign a player that adresses a team need because they wouldn't "earn" a championship? Where do you draw the line with your payroll? Should the team owner be punished for going the "moral" payroll limit? And if so, how?

Bottom line is the Yankees did earn all of their championships and they earned them on the field. Just like how if they win this year, they'll earn it on the field. And in case you forgot, the innocent underdog Mets have the 3rd highest payrolll in baseball. A payroll that rapidly continues to grow. 27 other teams can say the same thing about the Mets "not earning" a championship.

But if none of this makes sense to you, keep to your lame "Yankees suck" circle jerk rallies.
thank you boomer..that was my basic point in an earlier post and no met fan has been able to dispute that...most of our core players during our run were our own products....but they wont hear that...they just say"buy your rings" and "yankees suck" its actually a ridiculous waste of time to argue....and i really dont even dislike the mets...its these fans who say the yankees suck...why worry about the yankees....worry about your own team....and when we spanked you guys in 2000....whod you have from your own farm system that did anything to help you win?

[ShadeTree#55]

Your own products like:
Cone
Clemens
Wells
Nelson
Boggs
Oneil
Martinez
Strawberry
Fielder
Brocious(sp)
Giradi
Wetteland
Rogers

Etc....

[poiu]

Typical yankees fan response. Mets fans have no right to discuss whether or not Jeter gets more credit then he deserves because unlike the yankees, the mets didn't win a million titles before we were born.

[28rogerblaze51]

Your own products like:
Cone
Clemens
Wells
Nelson
Boggs
Oneil
Martinez
Strawberry
Fielder
Brocious(sp)
Giradi
Wetteland
Rogers

Etc....


Are you really going to make me post our original core players who won us 4 titles? I thought so....

You metsfan should be kissing our ass, for giving your loser players and some drug addicts jobs....

Steinbrenner rules, wilpon sucks, plain and simple... Mets Will Always Say Next Year, and yankees will always have a chance to win a title, thats life, deal with it. Sucks being mets right? But somebody has to root for them... Hahahahaha.

[ShadeTree#55]

Whatever the times are changing.

Suge Knight had it all, Snoop, Dre, 2 Pac.

Now he is dead broke.

The Yanks are over.

[28rogerblaze51]

Are you really comparing suge knight to the yankees hahahaahahahahaahhahahaaa......

What a pathetic attempt...

[kinghenry89]

Your own products like:
Cone
Clemens
Wells
Nelson
Boggs
Oneil
Martinez
Strawberry
Fielder
Brocious(sp)
Giradi
Wetteland
Rogers

Etc....


I think that he was referencing homegrown products like

Jeter
Williams
Pettitte
Rivera
Posada
Mendoza
Spencer
Hernandez

Etc...

If you want to make an arguement that the Yankees are idiots for aquiring players like Kevin Brown than I'm not going to stop you. But how can you fault them for trading David Wells for Roger Clemens? How was it wrong for them to trade Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill?

How can you fault Brian Cashman for signing the best pitcher on the market when he signed Mike Mussina. Did you have a problem with the Mets signing the best closer on the market when they got Billy Wagner? Your arguement makes no sense to me.

[ButtleMan]

Your own products like:
Cone
Clemens
Wells
Nelson
Boggs
Oneil
Martinez
Strawberry
Fielder
Brocious(sp)
Giradi
Wetteland
Rogers

Etc....

HomeGrown talent on the 06 Mets like
Beltran
Nady
Floyd
Delgado
Loduca
Matsui
Wagner
Pedro
Glavine
Trachsel
Zambrano
Bradford
Julio
Sanchez
Franco
Valentin
Woodward
Chavez
????

[Cellar-door]

I think that he was referencing homegrown products like

Jeter
Williams
Pettitte
Rivera
Posada
Mendoza
Spencer
Hernandez

Etc...

If you want to make an arguement that the Yankees are idiots for aquiring players like Kevin Brown than I'm not going to stop you. But how can you fault them for trading David Wells for Roger Clemens? How was it wrong for them to trade Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill?

How can you fault Brian Cashman for signing the best pitcher on the market when he signed Mike Mussina. Did you have a problem with the Mets signing the best closer on the market when they got Billy Wagner? Your arguement makes no sense to me.
the problem the yankees have now, is that none of thosr guys came through the system in the last what 8-10 years, it's what's been killing them them, they are raping the system for good players, and now they don't have the players to make trades they want.

[kinghenry89]

the problem the yankees have now, is that none of thosr guys came through the system in the last what 8-10 years, it's what's been killing them them, they are raping the system for good players, and now they don't have the players to make trades they want.
Actually now they do again. They definately went through a rough patch but now they have really highly regarded young prospects in Hughes, Vecchionacci, Cox, DeSalvo and a few others. Plus Wang and Cano, who are pretty much off limits at this point (they're too critical to this year's team success.)

Thankfully Cashman seems to be in charge again and last offseason refused to give up young talent for veterans like Torii Hunter or Juan Pierre. Hopefully he continues that trend.

[AMJets]

they are raping the system for good players, and now they don't have the players to make trades they want.

What are you talking about? The Yankees have one of the strongest minor league systems in MLB. They could've gotten Beckett and Lowell if they wanted, Florida called Cashman before he called Boston. But Cashman isn't parting with anyone. He is in the process of building a powerhouse system that will be absolutely loaded on every level within the next year.

[kinghenry89]

What are you talking about? The Yankees have one of the strongest minor league systems in MLB. They could've gotten Beckett and Lowell if they wanted, Florida called Cashman before he called Boston. But Cashman isn't parting with anyone. He is in the process of building a powerhouse system that will be absolutely loaded on every level within the next year.

Oh no, you had go and say something optimistic about the Yankees farm system. Let the bitching and whining from Mets' fans begin...

[Rextasy]

The Yankees have one of the strongest minor league systems in MLB. They could've gotten Beckett and Lowell if they wanted, Florida called Cashman before he called Boston. But Cashman isn't parting with anyone.
Yeah like Beltran would've signed with the Yanks for less before signing with the Mets. Boy you Yank fans sure are a gullible bunch..

[3rdAnd15Draw]

It's sad how everything has to degenerate into "all you yankee fans..." or "all you met fans...". I mean once in awhile its fun to post some stereotype or dumb comment about the opposing team but almost every baseball thread seems to go straight to the petty name calling now.

[AMJets]

Yeah like Beltran would've signed with the Yanks for less before signing with the Mets. Boy you Yank fans sure are a gullible bunch..

Well none of us know for sure, but since every single baseball writer I've seen has mentioned both, I'll have to go with that.

[AMJets]

It's sad how everything has to degenerate into "all you yankee fans..." or "all you met fans...". I mean once in awhile its fun to post some stereotype or dumb comment about the opposing team but almost every baseball thread seems to go straight to the petty name calling now.

It used to be a fun rivalry on here. Then newer posters started to join, and then it just became stupid.

[ShadeTree#55]

True we need junc and FTC to really get this season started.

[Rextasy]

It's sad how everything has to degenerate into "all you yankee fans..." or "all you met fans...". I mean once in awhile its fun to post some stereotype or dumb comment about the opposing team but almost every baseball thread seems to go straight to the petty name calling now.
Isn't that the fun of these Mets-Yanks thread??

[3rdAnd15Draw]

It used to be a fun rivalry on here. Then newer posters started to join, and then it just became stupid.

Exactly. In moderation stuff like the black and white cookie or posting Soul-glo pictures is pretty funny, but when that's all it becomes and any attempt to actually discuss baseball is lost in a stream of 'yankees rule!' 'mets rule!' it's really quite pointless.

[ButtleMan]

Exactly. In moderation stuff like the black and white cookie or posting Soul-glo pictures is pretty funny, but when that's all it becomes and any attempt to actually discuss baseball is lost in a stream of 'yankees rule!' 'mets rule!' it's really quite pointless.

Well put...

[boomer]

Typical yankees fan response. Mets fans have no right to discuss whether or not Jeter gets more credit then he deserves because unlike the yankees, the mets didn't win a million titles before we were born.
Well I did see FOUR since high school. That's twice as much as the Mets won in their entire history. You know, because 2 times 2 is four.

[boomer]

I think that he was referencing homegrown products like

Jeter
Williams
Pettitte
Rivera
Posada
Mendoza
Spencer
Hernandez

Etc...

If you want to make an arguement that the Yankees are idiots for aquiring players like Kevin Brown than I'm not going to stop you. But how can you fault them for trading David Wells for Roger Clemens? How was it wrong for them to trade Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill?

How can you fault Brian Cashman for signing the best pitcher on the market when he signed Mike Mussina. Did you have a problem with the Mets signing the best closer on the market when they got Billy Wagner? Your arguement makes no sense to me.

Because they're the Yankees and they suck. And Jeter is not clutch. Even though we was the 2000 WS MVP. Too bad I forget who we played that year.

[boomer]

What are you talking about? The Yankees have one of the strongest minor league systems in MLB. They could've gotten Beckett and Lowell if they wanted, Florida called Cashman before he called Boston. But Cashman isn't parting with anyone. He is in the process of building a powerhouse system that will be absolutely loaded on every level within the next year.
The Yankees have an average minor league system, with a few studs.

[AMJets]

The Yankees have an average minor league system, with a few studs.

The Yankees have one of the deepest minor league systems, with more than a "few" studs.

[kinghenry89]

The Yankees have one of the deepest minor league systems, with more than a "few" studs.

Who would you call "studs" in the Yankees minor league system? I would say Hughes and Vechionacci are the only studs down there. They do have a lot of depth though with pitchers like DeSalvo, Clippard and Cox and versitile hitters like Cabrera and Henry.

Yeah like Beltran would've signed with the Yanks for less before signing with the Mets. Boy you Yank fans sure are a gullible bunch..

According to ESPN the day that the Mets signed Beltran:

Through an unnamed, high-ranking baseball official, the Associated Press reported Boras proposed a $100 million, six-year contract for Beltran to the Yankees on Saturday night. While the Yankees told Boras they thought highly of Beltran, they turned down the offer because they didn't want to commit $140 million -- $100 million in salary and $40 million in luxury tax.

Believe what you want to believe, but I trust the AP over the fan.

[28rogerblaze51]

Awimba weh, awimba weh, in the jungle the mighty jungle, the yankees sucked tonight, i can't percieve, my mighty team,
Went 1-2 in the series... Hopefully we sweep next team is what i want to see...
Hehehehe....

[poiu]

Well I did see FOUR since high school. That's twice as much as the Mets won in their entire history. You know, because 2 times 2 is four.

I'm not going to claim that the mets franchise historically is even close to the yankees. The yankees are the greatest franchise in american pro sports. But somehow, the fact that the yankees won a million championships in the 1920s negates any right non-yankees fans have to debate whether or not Jeter is overrated (which is what this thread was supposed to be about).

[AMJets]

Who would you call "studs" in the Yankees minor league system? I would say Hughes and Vechionacci are the only studs down there. They do have a lot of depth though with pitchers like DeSalvo, Clippard and Cox and versitile hitters like Cabrera and Henry.

Tabata is on the verge of becoming one of the best prospects in all of baseball. Hughes is a stud, Vechionacci is very close, but has to produce a little more before I proclaim him a stud. Duncan is still a stud. He went back to the old batting stance he used before the Yankees drafted him, and ever since he started using it, he has looked like the power threat we expected.

The depth is incredible, especially with pitching and the outfield. Hughes has elite potential, Clippard looks to be a strong #2/#3. DeSalvo, Marquez, Garcia, White all have the ability to give strong performances in the middle-back of the rotation. Cox is a better all-around reliever than Craig Hansen, the only reason Hansen was drafted a little higher was because of his K/9 rate. Also factor in Smith, Beam, and *crosses fingers* Henn, the pitching is awesome.

The outfield might be even better. Melky Cabrera was the guy who, about a year ago, was the target to become the CF of the future. Now he's the 4th or 5th best CF prospect in the entire organization. Two scouts I saw said Tabata is so incredible. They compare his bat potential to Manny Ramirez. Tabata is a five-tool player, and the only thing that would keep him from being considered a top 10 prospect would be that he'll only be 18 in 2007. We also have Battle, Jackson, and Gardner. Jackson and Gardner look to be average hitting outfielders with great speed and range. I was expecting CJ Henry to be moved to the outfield, but he won't be now with all the depth that has developed. Henry is another guy who is a five tool guy, and I'm hopeful he will be a big time prospect by the end of 2007, maybe mid-2008.

Right now the full-fledged "studs", IMO, are Hughes, Duncan, Tabata, and Cox. Vechionacci can easily get there with some more production this year. He was incredibly young last year and still played well. He has Gold Glove potential at 3B, and should definitely have a strong, 115 OPS+ type of bat. Clippard could emerge as a "stud" this year, but I expect him to be a level below, and be a #2 type in the majors for years.

[ShadeTree#55]

And in a couple of years they can form a support group with Homer Bush and the rest of the Skanks over hyped ex-blue chips.

[AMJets]

And in a couple of years they can form a support group with Homer Bush and the rest of the Skanks over hyped ex-blue chips.

Homer Bush would be one of the worst prospects in the entire system if the Yankees had this type of farm back then.

[ShadeTree#55]

Your making them out to have a sysyem like the Dbacks. It just isn't the case.

[AMJets]

Your making them out to have a sysyem like the Dbacks. It just isn't the case.

Not yet, because a lot of the talent is really young. But it is already near top 10, and will be top 5 within the year.

[ShadeTree#55]

BA has them as 17

[AMJets]

BA has them as 17

BA usually is very critical of systems until they get depth on all levels.

[ShadeTree#55]

Just saying. And when the realize they are gonna need to upgrade the staff, say goodbye to some of your better prospects.

[AMJets]

Just saying. And when the realize they are gonna need to upgrade the staff, say goodbye to some of your better prospects.

The only way they would ever give up a prospect or two of any substance would be if they got a young stud in return. And they can afford to trade one of their "better prospects", because they have such depth.

[kinghenry89]

10Pennington10, you're right that I forgot to include Duncan who for one reason or another just slipped my mind. Tabata has really great potential but I don't consider him anywhere near a top 10 prospect at this point. And I think that you greatly overrate J. Brent Cox, who is a finesse pitcher who has the potential to be (hopefully) a solid to good middle reliever or even a setup man. Hansen has the potential to be a dominating closer.

[jonnyd]

The only way they would ever give up a prospect or two of any substance would be if they got a young stud in return. And they can afford to trade one of their "better prospects", because they have such depth.
i hope youre right about all the prospects...but theres no doubt that our system has both sucked and been overrated for 10 years.....and about us trading some of these guys away....youre either crazy or you havent been a yankee fan too long if you dont think theyll trade 1 or 2 of these guys away for something other than ayoung stud.....if we need a pitcher later on which by the looks of this staff we will,after investing 190 million this year you can bet your ass we'll give up a young guy for maybe a solid veteran,not just a young stud

[AMJets]

10Pennington10, you're right that I forgot to include Duncan who for one reason or another just slipped my mind. Tabata has really great potential but I don't consider him anywhere near a top 10 prospect at this point. And I think that you greatly overrate J. Brent Cox, who is a finesse pitcher who has the potential to be (hopefully) a solid to good middle reliever or even a setup man. Hansen has the potential to be a dominating closer.

Tabata isn't a top 10 prospect yet, but he will be once he gets a full year, year and a half of ABs under his belt. Cox will likely be a strong middle relief or set up guy, but his ceiling (if he develops a third pitch, which I believe is in the works) is definitely as a dominator. His slider is incredible.

[AMJets]

i hope youre right about all the prospects...but theres no doubt that our system has both sucked and been overrated for 10 years.....and about us trading some of these guys away....youre either crazy or you havent been a yankee fan too long if you dont think theyll trade 1 or 2 of these guys away for something other than ayoung stud.....if we need a pitcher later on which by the looks of this staff we will,after investing 190 million this year you can bet your ass we'll give up a young guy for maybe a solid veteran,not just a young stud

Brian Cashman hasn't had complete authority ever before. Now he does, and he won't trade top prospects for anything other than an elite, young player in return.

[kinghenry89]

Tabata isn't a top 10 prospect yet, but he will be once he gets a full year, year and a half of ABs under his belt. Cox will likely be a strong middle relief or set up guy, but his ceiling (if he develops a third pitch, which I believe is in the works) is definitely as a dominator. His slider is incredible.
Like you said, he needs to develop a 3rd pitch and it has to be strong. Right now he has to use his fastball to set up his slider, which often gets pitchers in trouble (look at Keith Foulke's troubles when he lost effectiveness on his changeup.) If he doesn't have control of the slider on any given outing he is a fish out of water.

He really can become a good pitcher though and I would be surprised if he doesn't end up being a contributor to a good bullpen. I just don't think that he's on Hansen's level.

[AMJets]

Like you said, he needs to develop a 3rd pitch and it has to be strong. Right now he has to use his fastball to set up his slider, which often gets pitchers in trouble (look at Keith Foulke's troubles when he lost effectiveness on his changeup.) If he doesn't have control of the slider on any given outing he is a fish out of water.

He really can become a good pitcher though and I would be surprised if he doesn't end up being a contributor to a good bullpen. I just don't think that he's on Hansen's level.

Hansen should have more success in the majors given what his strength is, but Cox has been the better all-around pitcher. Hansen has a better chance at completely dominating, and also has a higher risk of being a bust, while I think Cox has a better chance of being a strong, reliable reliever for his career.

[Cellar-door]

The Yankees system is the definition of mediocre, they have 2 top 100 prospects, only 1 in the top 85. They have some interesting guys in A ball, but no surefire prospects. There is a reason most low level prospects aren't highly rated, they have a low sucess rate.

[AMJets]

The Yankees system is the definition of mediocre, they have 2 top 100 prospects, only 1 in the top 85. They have some interesting guys in A ball, but no surefire prospects. There is a reason most low level prospects aren't highly rated, they have a low sucess rate.

Haha, all right then.

[Cellar-door]

Haha, all right then.
Look at other systems, most have much better talent, the Yankees have only 2 guys who might be ready within two years. Hughes is really the only legit prospect they have. Consult BA, or BP.
Edit- can you honestly say the yankees have better than 15th best farm system?

edit- here are 15 better right here- ARI, LAD, LAA, FLA, BOS, KC, CLE, MIL, PIT, TB, MIN, SEA, CHC, WAS, DET

[AMJets]

Look at other systems, most have much better talent, the Yankees have only 2 guys who might be ready within two years. Hughes is really the only legit prospect they have. Consult BA, or BP.
Edit- can you honestly say the yankees have better than 15th best farm system?

One could argue where the Yankees system ranks going into the season, but it would be one of the biggest shocks in baseball if the Yankee system wasn't top 10 by the end of the season.

But I don't mind what the rankings say. Having closely followed minor league baseball for a long time, I know the Yankees have had three consecutive great drafts, and have a ton of depth and talent in the system. I don't need Baseball America, a publication that seems to think the Red Sox are the only team in baseball, to tell me where their system ranks.

[28rogerblaze51]

Derek jeter along with hideki matsui, 6 game hitting streak.

[faustimus]

this isnt the derek jeter fan club board is it?

[boomer]

this isnt the derek jeter fan club board is it?
I never seen somone with zero offical posts get banned before. Congratulations.

[nyscene911]

I never seen somone with zero offical posts get banned before. Congratulations.
You must've. This is his second suspension/banning.

[28rogerblaze51]

You must've. This is his second suspension/banning.

Are you serious? Hahahaha its a new TGG record.

[nyscene911]

Are you serious? Hahahaha its a new TGG record.
Its amazing. Its like seeing monkeys use tools for the first time.

[28rogerblaze51]

Its amazing. Its like seeing monkeys use tools for the first time.

:lol: :lol:

Or like gilbert grape trying to be a ballboy.

[boomer]

Are you serious? Hahahaha its a new TGG record.
Quite a feat when you consider the competition. :lol:

[28rogerblaze51]

Mr clutch derek jeter hits a 3 run HR at the bottom of the 8th to go past the royals 9-7.

[nyscene911]

Mr clutch derek jeter hits a 3 run HR at the bottom of the 8th to go past the royals 9-7.

Nothing says Clutch like beating a 50 win team.

:lol:
I kid, I kid.

[28rogerblaze51]

7 game hitting streak for jeter.

[Tight]

7 games ?!!! holy mackerel

[BIG COUNTRY]

Jeter is amazing:breakdance::breakdance:

[boomer]

Wow Jeter totally sucks.

[28rogerblaze51]

This is the jeter thread for the whole season... So people deal with it, and it getting bumped up for the rest of the year.

Jeter rules.

[10nyjets87]

Jeter Is God

[GreenMachine]

Man, that Jeter guy sucks...:smile:

[poiu]

I see you guys aren't too keen on the law of averages?

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Jeter clutch?

• Derek Jeter had another moment at Yankee Stadium. A note from Rob Tracy of the Elias Sports Bureau on the Jeter hit: It was only the second hit of Jeter's career in the eighth inning or later that drove in the tying and go-ahead runs. The other was in 1999 (including the postseason). During Jeter's tenure on the Yankees, Jorge Posada has five such hits and Scott Brosius had four. Jeter has had 56 chances to drive in a tying and go-ahead run in the eighth or later.

[Penny2Moss]

how about all the clutch defensive plays?

[Penny2Moss]

Jeter clutch?

hmm didnt he hit that HR against Arizona in the world series? oh yeah that must have been in 99, your facts are flawed my friend

[nyscene911]

hmm didnt he hit that HR against Arizona in the world series? oh yeah that must have been in 99, your facts are flawed my friend
It says that in his post :lol:

[Penny2Moss]

It says that in his post :lol:

except that that was in the 2001 world series not 99 jackass

[MisterMoss]

except that that was in the 2001 world series not 99 jackass
Even though you are right, tone it down.

[Penny2Moss]

Even though you are right, tone it down.

my bad i am just sick of the Jeter hating, I dont get why Yankees fans can give other teams players credit but met and sox fans think everyone on the Yankees suck, I guess its a complex

[devilonthetownhallroof]

He's not right. It says tying AND go ahead runs. Learn to read "jackass".

[Penny2Moss]

He's not right. It says tying AND go ahead runs. Learn to read "jackass".

so walk of home runs in the world series dont count as clutch.....go back to your hole

[devilonthetownhallroof]

All it says is he's only 2-56 in those situations. Hardly clutch numbers.

[Penny2Moss]

and if we are only gonna count if you get the tying and go ahead run on the same hit then take away a bunch of Ortiz being clutch

[nyscene911]

except that that was in the 2001 world series not 99 jackass

Oh God no! I've shamed myself! Please forgive me and allow to speak the name of Derek Jeter again, my Lord!

[Penny2Moss]

All it says is he's only 2-56 in those situations. Hardly clutch numbers.

ok so what are his numbers when he only can get the go ahead run, or only tie since apparently if you dont do both on the same hit it doesnt count

[Penny2Moss]

Oh God no! I've shamed myself! Please forgive me and allow to speak the name of Derek Jeter again, my Lord!

well if your gonna talk trash at least have your facts straight

[nyscene911]

ok so what are his numbers when he only can get the go ahead run, or only tie since apparently if you dont do both on the same hit it doesnt count
Jesus Christ, he just listed a stat that was taken from a newspaper or something. You're acting like he insulted your mother. Quit being so damn defensive.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

I don't know those numbers. I was just posting this thing from ESPN that showed the above numbers. That is all.

[nyscene911]

well if your gonna talk trash at least have your facts straight
All I said was the article said he had the previous hit. Excuse me for not remembering when the Yankees faced who.

Once again, Derek Jeter is not your mother. You can quit defending him like your own flesh and blood.

[Penny2Moss]

All I said was the article said he had the previous hit. Excuse me for not remembering when the Yankees faced who.

Once again, Derek Jeter is not your mother. You can quit defending him like your own flesh and blood.


I'm not, and if you dont remember facts to use then dont open your mouth

[Exit 117]

I'm not, and if you dont remember facts to use then dont open your mouth
You're an idiot.

[MisterMoss]

That fact in the newpaper may be one of the more stupider ones I've seen. You need to drive in the tying AND winning run to be clutch? wtf?

[Penny2Moss]

That fact in the newpaper may be one of the more stupider ones I've seen. You need to drive in the tying AND winning run to be clutch? wtf?


thank you, another voice of reason

[poiu]

my bad i am just sick of the Jeter hating, I dont get why Yankees fans can give other teams players credit but met and sox fans think everyone on the Yankees suck, I guess its a complex

Actually, there are very few non yankees fans that would say everyone on the yankees sucks. In fact, last year, a good portion of the fans defending arod after his bad postseason were mets fans and most of the fans calling for his head were yankees fans.

[28rogerblaze51]

You're an idiot.

Your the bigger idiot.

[28rogerblaze51]

If you guys want to argue why don't one of you metfans go and get some stats on all current MLB player's clutch number's, to see who is more clutch....

And alot of the times the yankees are in the lead past the 8th inning that's why jeter doesn't need to drive in runs, i know he could if he had too, this is where mariano's stats come in after the 8th inning... Always comes in with the lead and gets the job done. So tell me why does jeter has to drive in runs when we have the lead most of the time past the 8th inning? People might say insurance, but its mariano.

So piss off metfans.

[Cellar-door]

If you guys want to argue why don't one of you metfans go and get some stats on all current MLB player's clutch number's, to see who is more clutch....

And alot of the times the yankees are in the lead past the 8th inning that's why jeter doesn't need to drive in runs, i know he could if he had too, this is where mariano's stats come in after the 8th inning... Always comes in with the lead and gets the job done. So tell me why does jeter has to drive in runs when we have the lead most of the time past the 8th inning? People might say insurance, but its mariano.

So piss off metfans.
not a mets fan, but if you look at the beginning of the thread i did just that, got clutch stats

[28rogerblaze51]

not a mets fan, but if you look at the beginning of the thread i did just that, got clutch stats

I know you did attic face...

But the recent argument was jeter being clutch after the 8th inning...

And i responded ^look.

[poiu]

If you guys want to argue why don't one of you metfans go and get some stats on all current MLB player's clutch number's, to see who is more clutch....

And alot of the times the yankees are in the lead past the 8th inning that's why jeter doesn't need to drive in runs, i know he could if he had too, this is where mariano's stats come in after the 8th inning... Always comes in with the lead and gets the job done. So tell me why does jeter has to drive in runs when we have the lead most of the time past the 8th inning? People might say insurance, but its mariano.

So piss off metfans.

You started this whole thread so we could argue over his value and "clutchness" and now you want to change it into a dj loving only thread?

And as for some clutch numbers, I'll refer you to hardballtimes.com's clutch factor statistic which gives Jeter a -5.9 for the 04 season and a stunning -10.3 for the 05 season.

[kinghenry89]

If you honestly believe that Derek Jeter is not a clutch player because he hasn't had many hits where he knocked in the tying and winning runs, you just really aren't very bright.

Aside from the obvious flaws with this theory, keep in mind that Jeter hits at the top of the order and starts more rallies than he finishes.

[kinghenry89]

You started this whole thread so we could argue over his value and "clutchness" and now you want to change it into a dj loving only thread?

And as for some clutch numbers, I'll refer you to hardballtimes.com's clutch factor statistic which gives Jeter a -5.9 for the 04 season and a stunning -10.3 for the 05 season.

:lol: :rofl: Jeter is a bad clutch player because of his "clutch factor?" You're telling me that last season you'd rather have Scott Hatteberg (clutch factor of 8.5) at bat in game 7 of the world series representing your last out than Jeter?

You can't measure plays like the Flip or the catch diving into the stands in a stat.

[poiu]

If you honestly believe that Derek Jeter is not a clutch player because he hasn't had many hits where he knocked in the tying and winning runs, you just really aren't very bright.

Aside from the obvious flaws with this theory, keep in mind that Jeter hits at the top of the order and starts more rallies than he finishes.

You're missing the point. No one's claiming that the admittedly flawed stat proves anything. The point is that out of all the stats that try to measure clutchness, I haven't seen one that puts him at anything other then below average.

One would think that a player that is considered by most to be the clutchest player in the league would at least come in average in some of the stats.

[poiu]

:lol: :rofl: Jeter is a bad clutch player because of his "clutch factor?" You're telling me that last season you'd rather have Scott Hatteberg (clutch factor of 8.5) at bat in game 7 of the world series representing your last out than Jeter?

You can't measure plays like the Flip or the catch diving into the stands in a stat.

See below for the 1st part. And no, I'm not saying that I'd rather have Hatteberg, I admit that all clutch stats are flawed. But they do measure some aspects of performance under pressure, so why does Jeter struggle in every stat?

And no, you can't measure the flip (and I admit that it might be the greatest play I've ever seen) but plays such as that only have so much value because 1. there have been so few of them and 2. when a player plays as many games in the postseason as dj has, the law of averages suggests that a player is bound to make SOME great plays in the clutch. The mark of a clutch player isn't whether or not he has made great plays, it's whether the PERCENTAGE of the time he performes well in the clutch is higher then the percentage of the time he does well normally.

And there's a way to measure the "dive" into the stands just like there's a way to measure any other routine play. And error is attributed to the player if he does not make the play :breakdance:

[Penny2Moss]

See below for the 1st part. And no, I'm not saying that I'd rather have Hatteberg, I admit that all clutch stats are flawed. But they do measure some aspects of performance under pressure, so why does Jeter struggle in every stat?

And no, you can't measure the flip (and I admit that it might be the greatest play I've ever seen) but plays such as that only have so much value because 1. there have been so few of them and 2. when a player plays as many games in the postseason as dj has, the law of averages suggests that a player is bound to make SOME great plays in the clutch. The mark of a clutch player isn't whether or not he has made great plays, it's whether the PERCENTAGE of the time he performes well in the clutch is higher then the percentage of the time he does well normally.

And there's a way to measure the "dive" into the stands just like there's a way to measure any other routine play. And error is attributed to the player if he does not make the play :breakdance:

thats about the dumbest thing i have heard...his plays should count less bc he has more chances? a: thats called being a captain and getting your team to the playoffs every year, b: i guess i david wright fields a grounder we'll crown him the best ever since the mets will make the playoffs once in the next 5 years

[nyscene911]

thats about the dumbest thing i have heard...his plays should count less bc he has more chances? a: thats called being a captain and getting your team to the playoffs every year, b: i guess i david wright fields a grounder we'll crown him the best ever since the mets will make the playoffs once in the next 5 years
You know, sometimes you're more annoying than a Paul Shaffer fire alarm.

[kinghenry89]

You're missing the point. No one's claiming that the admittedly flawed stat proves anything. The point is that out of all the stats that try to measure clutchness, I haven't seen one that puts him at anything other then below average.

One would think that a player that is considered by most to be the clutchest player in the league would at least come in average in some of the stats.
David Ortiz, the person who I'd expect to you to name as the most clutch player in the league, had a pedestrian 4.2 clutch rating last season. Do you wanna know what that (combined with Jeter's rating) tells me:

"Clutch Rating" is total bullshit.

[boomer]

Anyone who attempts to measure clutch ability by stats is a moron.

[10nyjets87]

Oh God no! I've shamed myself! Please forgive me and allow to speak the name of Derek Jeter again, my Lord!
we'll let it slide this time..

[poiu]

David Ortiz, the person who I'd expect to you to name as the most clutch player in the league, had a pedestrian 4.2 clutch rating last season. Do you wanna know what that (combined with Jeter's rating) tells me:

"Clutch Rating" is total bullshit.

Well, for starters, I don't think Ortiz is clutch. I think, like Jeter, he's been a fan favorite in a baseball crazy market. When the fans love a player and thus think he's better then his numbers show, the fans and media tend to call the player clutch or mr intangibles to make him look better then his numbers.

And again, I'm not trying to claim that clutch rating proves Jeter is not clutch. I'm saying that if he really is clutch, at least one of the numerous stats on clutchness that have been posted over time would give him a positive grade. But they all have below average scores for him.

[poiu]

Anyone who attempts to measure clutch ability by stats is a moron.

No more of a moron then someone who tries to evaluate how their favorite player's performance in the clutch SEEMS to them.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

If you honestly believe that Derek Jeter is not a clutch player because he hasn't had many hits where he knocked in the tying and winning runs, you just really aren't very bright.

Aside from the obvious flaws with this theory, keep in mind that Jeter hits at the top of the order and starts more rallies than he finishes.

It's not the AMOUNT of those hits, it's the fact that he is only 2-56 in those situations. A single is all it takes to score two from second and third the majority of the time, and Jeter is only 2-56 in that situation from the 8th inning on, not very good and certainly not something that indicates a "clutch" player.

Well, for starters, I don't think Ortiz is clutch. I think, like Jeter, he's been a fan favorite in a baseball crazy market. When the fans love a player and thus think he's better then his numbers show, the fans and media tend to call the player clutch or mr intangibles to make him look better then his numbers.

Aside from his amazing three walkoff hits and record 19 RBI in the 2004 playoffs, Ortiz has shown clutchness all over. From 2003-2005, he hit .326 with 22 home runs and 73 RBIs in 221 at bats in the late innings of close games. Last year he hit 20 tying or go ahead home runs, 8 in the 7th inning or later. In 2004 he had 33 go ahead RBI and 50 RBI with two outs. Ask any AL pitcher who they'd least like to face with the game on the line, and it will likely be Ortiz.

[FirstTimeCaller]

It kills me to say it but a case can be made for Larry Jones over any other MLb player. He's come up huge in the regular season and the playoffs time after time.

[28rogerblaze51]

You started this whole thread so we could argue over his value and "clutchness" and now you want to change it into a dj loving only thread?

And as for some clutch numbers, I'll refer you to hardballtimes.com's clutch factor statistic which gives Jeter a -5.9 for the 04 season and a stunning -10.3 for the 05 season.

Please re-read the first post of this thread.

I stressed the fact that jeter could be the only baseball player in history to play his entire career in the playoffs, and have won 4 titles.

Someone mentioned andruw jones did also, so i said fine, but andruw jones is not in the caliber of a derek jeter when it comes to clutch.

Kinghenry made a valuable point on jeter being at the top of the lineup and is a rally starter not a finisher. All these other guys you are trying to compare are not top of the order hitters, who start rally's.

This thread is probably going to be the derek jeter 2006 thread. And so far jeter has delivered, as a top of the order hitter, rally starter, and clutch player.

Bow to the mighty yankees.

I saw this sign at yankee stadium:

"Welcome johnny, where it doesn't take 86 years to win"

Hahaha priceless.

[28rogerblaze51]

Again... That stat where it says jeter is 2-56 after the 8th inning is ridiculous, the yankees usually have the lead after the 8th inning, that's when the bullpen comes in and then mariano shuts the door, jeter knows mariano is automatic, therefore he needs not to stress getting an extra hit.

Please tell me if jeter wasn't a yankee would the yankees won 4 titles? I say they would have won 2.

If andruw jones the other player who has been in the playoffs his whole career, wasn't a brave would they have won that one title? Yes they would have.

[28rogerblaze51]

My point is who would you have at bat in the world series game 7 down by 1?

Note that the opposing team will have to face mariano rivera.

Jeter is the man... MR. NOVEMBER...

8 game hitting streak for jeter.

[FirstTimeCaller]

My point is who would you have at bat in the world series game 7 down by 1?

Note that the opposing team will have to face mariano rivera.


Too bad there are only 5 games in the first round :breakdance:

[devilonthetownhallroof]

So basically Jeter is clutch because the Yankees have Rivera is what you're saying?

[FirstTimeCaller]

It's pretty amazing that in a thread bout being "clutch" some NYY fans would argue for Jeter all day long and not even mention MR.

[28rogerblaze51]

So basically Jeter is clutch because the Yankees have Rivera is what you're saying?

No im basically saying jeter does not have to face mariano. But you metfans had to face him in 2000 when you lost to us for our 26th title.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Again, I'm not a Met fan.

[28rogerblaze51]

@ one time..

This thread was supposed to be about the superstar jeter being and could be the only player in history to play his entire career in the playoffs. That clutch thing was brought up, and i agree jeter is clucth and ask any player in any team if they would want jeter as their SS they would say yes in a heartbeat.

[boomer]

No more of a moron then someone who tries to evaluate how their favorite player's performance in the clutch SEEMS to them.
You want an example? How about the 2000 World Series. Who was MVP? I'm talking about clutch being making huge game altering plays in situations of the highest magnitude. Starting the rally in Game 4 of the '96 WS, the entire 2000 WS as mentioned, the game saving flip in the '01 ALDS that changed the whole series around, the walk off HR in Game 4 of the '01 WS, his performance in Game 7 of the '03 ALCS, just to name a few. And if you want to come back with times he didn't come through, keep in mind that not even the greatest athletes can deliver every single time. But you want stats anyway? Ok, he has a lifetime .307 postseason average and is the all time leader in postseason hits. Just because your hate/ jealousy of him and the Yankees produces a biased view, does not take away from what he really is.

[ShadeTree#55]

The leader in hits is skewed due to the extra playoff round.

[poiu]

But you want stats anyway? Ok, he has a lifetime .307 postseason average and is the all time leader in postseason hits. Just because your hate/ jealousy of him and the Yankees produces a biased view, does not take away from what he really is.

His career average is LOWER in the postseason. His hr per game go DOWN in the postseason. His rbi per game go DOWN in the postseason.

If a player hits .500 in the postseason but hits .600 in the regular season it doesn't make him clutch. It makes him the greatest player every but to be clutch you have to perform not just great but BETTER then you do in normal situations.

And your point about him being the all time postseason leader in hits is irrelevent because of the fact that you could probably count the number of players who have played as many postseason games as jeter on one hand.

[ShadeTree#55]

George Brett was more clutch.

[28rogerblaze51]

Let's just say jeter is more clutch than any met on your roster in the past 10 years... And in the future 10 years..enough said.

[Exit 117]

Let's just say jeter is more clutch than any met on your roster in the past 10 years... And in the future 10 years..enough said.
Why do you always compare everything to the Mets? Don't worry, rog, it's ok to come out and admit you're a Mets fan.

[28rogerblaze51]

^hahaha if there were red sox fans or anybody from any other club in this thread i would focus on them... Don't worry exit 117, your team isn't that bad.

[MisterMoss]

His career average is LOWER in the postseason. His hr per game go DOWN in the postseason. His rbi per game go DOWN in the postseason.

If a player hits .500 in the postseason but hits .600 in the regular season it doesn't make him clutch. It makes him the greatest player every but to be clutch you have to perform not just great but BETTER then you do in normal situations.

And your point about him being the all time postseason leader in hits is irrelevent because of the fact that you could probably count the number of players who have played as many postseason games as jeter on one hand.
You do understand that the quality of pitching goes UP in the postseason, so a .300 BA looks extremely impressive, right?

[jetophile]

I love my yankees and DJ is my favorite player...
He's hot and that's all that matters. HAH, the lament of male baseball fans everywhere, watch all of you get your boxers in a bunch. 10, 9, 8, 7,... :lol:

[kinghenry89]

You do understand that the quality of pitching goes UP in the postseason, so a .300 BA looks extremely impressive, right?

Shut up with your logic. We don't take kindly to it around here.

[boomer]

His career average is LOWER in the postseason. His hr per game go DOWN in the postseason. His rbi per game go DOWN in the postseason.
I dont know if you're a Mets fan or not, but in case you are, let me explain how the postseason works. All 30 teams play 162 games. The top four teams in their respected leagues then advance to the playoffs. The playoffs, aka the postseason, is usually more challengling because the teams participating are usually pretty good. Because of the higher competition, one's stats may decline a bit facing guys like Curt Schilling rather than Darrell May.

And if you read what I first said, "clutch" isnt determined by stats. It is simply coming up big when it matters most. Now whatever useless stat or biased opinion you pull out of your ass can never take away what Jeter has accomplished.

[Exit 117]

I dont know if you're a Mets fan or not, but in case you are, let me explain how the postseason works. All 30 teams play 162 games. The top four teams in their respected leagues then advance to the playoffs. The playoffs, aka the postseason, is usually more challengling because the teams participating are usually pretty good.
You're a disgrace to Yankee fans, and baseball fans in general. You're easily one of the worse Yankee trolls here, if not the worst.

[boomer]

You're a disgrace to Yankee fans, and baseball fans in general. You're easily one of the worse Yankee trolls here, if not the worst.
And what makes you say that.

[Exit 117]

And what makes you say that.I'm not falling for that.

[boomer]

I'm not falling for that.
Falling for what? I just want to know what makes you think I'm a troll. Because if you knew anything, or bothered to search my previous posts, you'd see many occasions where I stood up for the Mets against jerks who just wanted to start something for no reason. I may have taken some shots at your team here and there, some joking and some not, but it was just in retaliation for the few unrational asshole Met fans here that would hate Jesus Christ himself if he played for the Yankees. So I advise you to get your facts straight before you label me a "disgrace" to baseball fans in general.

[Exit 117]

Falling for what? I just want to know what makes you think I'm a troll. Because if you knew anything, or bothered to search my previous posts, you'd see many occasions where I stood up for the Mets against jerks who just wanted to start something for no reason. I may have taken some shots at your team here and there, some joking and some not, but it was just in retaliation for the few unrational asshole Met fans here that would hate Jesus Christ himself if he played for the Yankees. So I advise you to get your facts straight before you label me a "disgrace" to baseball fans in general.
You're a biased tool and an ass. Just go to the David Wright thread and look at your comments calling US biased when you had no idea what we were even talking about, and called us idiots.

[MisterMoss]

Exit, I don't quite know what you're talking about, but boomer was right on with the statement he made a couple of posts above in regards to pitching in the postseason.

[Exit 117]

Exit, I don't quite know what you're talking about, but boomer was right on with the statement he made a couple of posts above in regards to pitching in the postseason.
He was, but this:

I dont know if you're a Mets fan or not, but in case you are, let me explain how the postseason works. All 30 teams play 162 games. The top four teams in their respected leagues then advance to the playoffs.

part was unnecessary and typical asshole Yankee fan bullshit.