NFL Draft Countdown's Updated Mock Draft for 11/28/06

[jamesAngleton]

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[wonderboy24]

Good work, Do you really see us going RB in first round?

[Nesquik]

Lamar Woodley not in the first round:ohmy: if that happened and we were able to get Lynch and Woodley in the same draft, that would be great.

[vilmas our future51]

I love it, We need a play making runningback bad/ but hes gotta do sumthin bout the hair

[Vilmathegreat51]

I can see us taking Lynch or Bush but I would really like Woodley though.Either of those will make me happy.

[jamesAngleton]

I want Woodley too and I think it is a good possibility. I think we can grab Michael Bush in the second round

[Vilmathegreat51]

That would be the perfect draft imo.That would fill two huge needs.

[PennyandtheJets]

As much as I love Leon Washington, I think after this year he will be relegated to a kevin faulk type role. Which is 3rd down back and KR...

Marshawn Lynch would give us a RB who can play everydown and can do it all.

If there is one thing the Jets need it is a playmaking RB. I don't know what the longest run for the Jets is this season, but I am willing to bet its only 20 something.

I am not so sure we will be in position to grab Lynch so a trade up may be necessary to get him.

[gustoonarmy]

As much as I love Leon Washington, I think after this year he will be relegated to a kevin faulk type role. Which is 3rd down back and KR...
Marshawn Lynch would give us a RB who can play everydown and can do it all.

If there is one thing the Jets need it is a playmaking RB. I don't know what the longest run for the Jets is this season, but I am willing to bet its only 20 something.

I am not so sure we will be in position to grab Lynch so a trade up may be necessary to get him.

Washington is still developing and may with CMs help turn out to be a real steal. Its an interesting situation , go for a back early on or fill one of the other VERY pressing needs. I think that we may pass on RB in the early rounds and pick up an experienced RB on FA

[JETSimpala]

Absolutely love this pick. Marshawn running behind D'Brick, and Mangold? Great pick.
2nd round we should look at a DE/OLB impact player.

[James Hasty]

If the draft went that way, I wouldn't be so quick to pass up Paul Posluszny.

With two second rounders we could get a RB and either a RT or a guard for the OL.

[Gubernaculum]

Wow, getting Marshawn would be a dream come true.

If we can then steal an effective 3/4 DE or backer in the 2nd round, I'd be ecstatic. The future looks good. Thank you Washington for last year!

[Rambo13]

I just noticed Jamarcus Russell was in the top 10
wtF?

[MikeSLTJ23]

Just looking at Marshawn Lynch, I can guess his character is probably a little out there and I can't see Mangini picking a guy that looks like THAT.

[Jonathan_Vilma]

No. It's been proven countless times, that if you're not getting an elite runningback, then you can succeed with a second/third rounder.

Look at Cedric Benson and Ronnie Brown. Benson can't crack the starting lineup and Brown pussy foots his way into the hole. It's all about value and picking up backs like Maurice Jones-Drew is a great way to build a franchise through value.

Gimme a Kenneth Darby or DeShawn Wynn late, rather then use my high pick on a position that can be solved by adding a good right tackle. I think you only take runningbacks high when you need to address the face of the franchise, or you need to replace your current starter soon with someone of similar running style (i.e. Maroney and Dillon even though Dillon is more powerful), and also don't have that many needs.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I just noticed Jamarcus Russell was in the top 10
wtF?
Appearantly he's the next Dante Culpepper... I disagree big time. He may have the ability, but his decision making is way too inconsistent to be a top 10 pick, IMO.

I love how many teams passed on Dwayne Jarrett in the first, including us. I think he's a poor man's Chris Carter, and that's pretty damn good.

[Rambo13]

Appearantly he's the next Dante Culpepper... I disagree big time. He may have the ability, but his decision making is way too inconsistent to be a top 10 pick, IMO.

I love how many teams passed on Dwayne Jarrett in the first, including us. I think he's a poor man's Chris Carter, and that's pretty damn good.

The next Daunte Culpepper, a dubious distinction!

[Nesquik]

Just looking at Marshawn Lynch, I can guess his character is probably a little out there and I can't see Mangini picking a guy that looks like THAT.

Cause he has dreads, Asante Samuel has dreads and Mangini had to "deal" with him.

[Twombles]

How come Troy Smith isnt in the first round?
I see him as an awesome passer who can run and hes gotta be the best qb in the draft...

[DonnieIsTheKing]

How come Troy Smith isnt in the first round?
I see him as an awesome passer who can run and hes gotta be the best qb in the draft...
He runs a lot of spread offense at Ohio State which doesn't always translate cleanly into the pros. But, I personally think Troy Smith is a better draft prospect then Russell, because Smith shows up for the big games year in and year out, and he's also a very smart decision maker. So who knows - I personally think that the Russell pick screws up a mock draft that is very, very intelligent through the first 6 picks.

[Mexican Buc]

For starters the order is wrong. 2nd I don't like it.

The top 5 picks are accurate though and I agree. 6th though should be Tampa getting Gaines Adams.

[Rambo13]

For starters the order is wrong. 2nd I don't like it.

The top 5 picks are accurate though and I agree. 6th though should be Tampa getting Gaines Adams.

What's a matter Mex? You don't like JaMarcus Russell? :rofl:

[GreyhoundJet]

Just looking at Marshawn Lynch, I can guess his character is probably a little out there and I can't see Mangini picking a guy that looks like THAT.


This post doesn't even deserve recognition but I couldn't help answering. If he is a bad character prove it with facts, (arrests, stuff like that) Don't just make the judgement that he is a bad guy because he is black and has dreads

[lightning]

This post doesn't even deserve recognition but I couldn't help answering. If he is a bad character prove it with facts, (arrests, stuff like that) Don't just make the judgement that he is a bad guy because he is black and has dreads

It's nothing about him being black!!!! Who would draft a white runningback in the first round anymore? It's more about him looking like he's stoned.

Not that i agree with him, but don't bring up the race shit. You're just asking to get flamed.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

It's nothing about him being black!!!! Who would draft a white runningback in the first round anymore? It's more about him looking like he's stoned.

Not that i agree with him, but don't bring up the race shit. You're just asking to get flamed.

I have to agree there - he does look like he's stoned big time. But, until we get proof other then "looking like you're stoned," he's still a character guy.

[ThunderbirdJet]

I have to agree here... it's not about whether Lynch is black or white at all. He isn't a bad character kid from all I've read, but he does project the "gangsta" image with the gold teeth and the dreads hanging in his eyes.

Whether people choose to accept that appearances do in fact say something about a person, even if it is an inaccurate impression, Lynch went back to his old HS in a very rough sectrion of Oakland for a graduation ceremony... I think he may have even been a speaker. As he left, he got into a car, and a real gang banger mistook him for another, and shot at him, barely missing.

This FO IS image conscious. Like it or not, it's reality. How many times did we read about Ferguson showing up in a business suit for interviews with NFL teams? If Lynch cut his hair, showed up at the combine in a suit.... his draft position would go up. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, that is just the way it is. A good agent would make him realise he will make more $ the higher he's drafted. Is it selling out? Only if wearing a suit instead of jeans to a "white collar" job interview is selling out as well.

Lynch also refused to do interviews with the press, even though his college HC pleaded for him to do so, believing any Heisman hype would both help Lynch and the program with positive PR.

Again, there isn't anything factual that says Lynch isn't a good kid, but he definitely could help himself by projecting a more "choir boy" sort of image. I have seen articles that have mentioned some NFL scouts and FO's prefer kids with no tatoos over others who have a ton of 'em. How you look may not be an accurate way of evaluating a person, but it's there, and it won't ever go away. That's just the hard truth, especially given the amount of trouble some very talented high draft picks have gotten themselves into.

[Rambo13]

Even if he is a bad dude, it's good to have a couple dogs on your team so to speak. Someone who will come right back at the other team or go to war with another player. A bunch of nice guys isn't exactly the best set up either.

[ThunderbirdJet]

Even if he is a bad dude, it's good to have a couple dogs on your team so to speak. Someone who will come right back at the other team or go to war with another player. A bunch of nice guys isn't exactly the best set up either.

Nice guys? not in the NFL, on the field of play. All I'm saying is that teams have been burnt by some high draft picks lately.... PacMan, MOST of Cleveland's recent draft picks, Taylor of the Skins.... Vick's little brother got lucky to even make it onto an NFL roster with his history.

Larry Johnson talked about it recently. He talked about leaving the "boys from the hood" behind, and watching your back, although in his case, it's sort of silly, as his father is a Penn St asst coach, and State College PA aint exactly the "hood". Teams are getting ever more leery of players who might land in some trouble.

Let me repeat, from what I know, Lynch is a good kid. That however is not the image he projects, and that was my point.

This FO went after team captains, guys with good Wunderlik scores that interviewed well. A given player's appearance, in a perfect world should have no affect on his draft slot.... but I'm saying that it does, and haven't offered an opinion on whether or not I even think it is right or wrong.... just sayin that it does. This FO seems to put an even higher priority on ANY kind of "red flag" on potential draftees.

I think that Mangini will follow Belichick's strategy in NE.... once the desired "culture" of good citizen types are established, players with a spotty rep (like Dillon before he went to NE) can then be brought in. These are just my observations, not in any way my opinion..... just calling it as I see it in terms of how not only the Jets FO does things, but a general trend of teams getting more gun shy with any potential draftee. For instance, after his DWI, does anyone think Adrian jones will be here next year?

[MikeSLTJ23]

This post doesn't even deserve recognition but I couldn't help answering. If he is a bad character prove it with facts, (arrests, stuff like that) Don't just make the judgement that he is a bad guy because he is black and has dreads

I'm glad you're standards of character lie solely with whether someone's been arrested or not.

It has nothing to do with race. Give me a white guy that looks as stoned and disheveled as Lynch does in that picture, and I'll say the same thing.

Thanks for calling me a racist, though, even though I obviously never even brought race into the picture.

I probably should have just avoided responding to your post, but I couldn't resist. You're ignorance of seeing issues beyond race baffles me.

Just to add on, I don't see why saying "a little out there" in reference to character would even warrant the kind of response you gave.

[GreyhoundJet]

Sorry for offending you here, I guess I went about it the wrong way.. what I meant was that I don't think you should judge him based on character by his looks... ive got friends and other people I know who look like they are "bad" people with different characteristics and they are some of the nicest people I know and some of my best friends... sorry to anyone who took my post the wrong way, that wasn't the way I intended it to be

[Mavericknyc1980]

First of all this is redicilous. Not taking someone by the way he looks???????? I guess if Edge was sitting there at that spot we wouldnt take him either. I mean come on this crazy. Second of I rather have Bush. Bush and woodley was my mock but not in that order.

[MikeSLTJ23]

Sorry for offending you here, I guess I went about it the wrong way.. what I meant was that I don't think you should judge him based on character by his looks... ive got friends and other people I know who look like they are "bad" people with different characteristics and they are some of the nicest people I know and some of my best friends... sorry to anyone who took my post the wrong way, that wasn't the way I intended it to be

Exactly, I never meant he was a bad person. He could be a very good person. But judging from his picture, he seems like he could be a little out there. I guess by that I was more going for he looks like a free spirit rather than a bad person. And I have no problem with free spirit people haha, just that I don't know if that's the type of football player that Mangini would want.

[RobA]

Meh, this team doesn't need a RB.

[JonathonVilmaPwnsnub]

Well were not going to be getting the 16th pick in the draft. I dont see the 49ers, eagles, and a couple more teams ahead of us... i dont know what they are smoking having the eagles ahead of us with donovan injured.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Well were not going to be getting the 16th pick in the draft. I dont see the 49ers, eagles, and a couple more teams ahead of us... i dont know what they are smoking having the eagles ahead of us with donovan injured.

They used the draft order as of a certain date, not their predicted finishes.

[LWC611]

He runs a lot of spread offense at Ohio State which doesn't always translate cleanly into the pros. But, I personally think Troy Smith is a better draft prospect then Russell, because Smith shows up for the big games year in and year out, and he's also a very smart decision maker. So who knows - I personally think that the Russell pick screws up a mock draft that is very, very intelligent through the first 6 picks.

I amy be mistaken but vince young ran a lot of spread offense. While Troy smith is no Vince Young running the ball he can move and has better throwing mechanics. I am very surprised that Troy Smith is not a first rounder.

[Coach K]

He runs a lot of spread offense at Ohio State which doesn't always translate cleanly into the pros. But, I personally think Troy Smith is a better draft prospect then Russell, because Smith shows up for the big games year in and year out, and he's also a very smart decision maker. So who knows - I personally think that the Russell pick screws up a mock draft that is very, very intelligent through the first 6 picks.

Troy Smith reminds me of Drew Brees actually. Good clean mechanics. Great vision of the field. Troy Smith will have as much potential to succeed as anyone else in the pro's.

Like you said Russell is garbage. He'll be a knockoff version of Culpepper. If hes even lucky

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I amy be mistaken but vince young ran a lot of spread offense. While Troy smith is no Vince Young running the ball he can move and has better throwing mechanics. I am very surprised that Troy Smith is not a first rounder.
Vince Young hasn't gotten his offense yet, but his brilliant capabilities to take over games have made him what he is right now in the NFL. Troy Smith doesn't have that brilliant, game changing running ability that guys like Young and Vick have, so he's going to have to make it in the NFL more as a passer then a runner. He's going to have to adjust to a pro style offense fully to make it in the NFL, and IMO he is a risky pick in the first round. But, I think he may be taken by a team like the Panthers, who can hold him under Delhomme's wing for a year or two until he's ready to go.

[kinghenry89]

If the draft board shakes out as Scott Wright predicts, then I would be happy with Lynch. I love watching Houston and Washington but neither is a bona fide starter and I don't think that either is on Marshawn Lynch's level.

That being said, I would draft Posluzny with that pick and then in the second round move for Kenny Irons. I personally believe that Irons is greatly underrated, and Puz would instantly transform our run defense.

[ScotsJet]

The new mock dated today looks pretty interesting - I'm way off-pace with this year's prospects so far.

[AnyGivenSunday]

While I would love that draft...it's still way too early to start talking about Mock Drafts. I mean, this time last year, we were talking about taking Cutler in the second round, while guys like Maroney and DeAngelo Williams were said to be top 10 picks.

[jaybo1015]

some of the guys i like:

-tedd ginn (we would have to make a deal to move up)
-laron landry, S, LSU
-michael griffin, S, Tex

de/dl can be had in later rounds, i say get a ballhawk big play guy. marshawn lynch would be an awesome pick to, btw.

what you guys think of paul poslunksy from psu or another lb??

[Rambo13]

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UPDATED 12/6

We still are pegged with Lynch, right before Jarrett and Brohm.

[wildthing2022000]

Lynch sucks.....If I knew him better, I saw his # and they suck this year, I'd rather take McFadden from Arkansas if we went with a RB.

[jaybo1015]

mcfadden is a sophmore

[wildthing2022000]

mcfadden is a sophmore

in 2008 then.....:grin:

[Mexican Buc]

I like it. Already a profile on Gaines Adams.

[Tennessee Jet]

Basically we need playmakers. A pass rusher for defense and a RB for offense. My choice would be a pass rusher like Lamaar Woodely. But Marshawn Lynch would be a quality pick as well.

[Rambo13]

in 2008 then.....:grin:

Maybe if we had the first pick

[legler82]

Just looking at Marshawn Lynch, I can guess his character is probably a little out there and I can't see Mangini picking a guy that looks like THAT.

That's just an aweful thing to say.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

Maybe if we had the first pick
Exactly. And because of this, I pray McFadden is not a Jet.

[MikeSLTJ23]

That's just an aweful thing to say.

why? because he looks stoned? there's nothing awful about what i said, but im gonna go ahead and guess that you wrote this without reading the rest of the thread b/c ur probably thinking along the same lines as someone else that had a similar reaction


i never realized "out there" was such a mean and derogatory term

[JETSimpala]

Ahhh, Marshawn Lynch again. Would be a great pick.
However, I doubt he'll fall that far.

[All Star]

i can't make new topics yet, but how bout the Jets drafting Troy Smith? He's putting up far better numbers in college than Mike Vick, is a much better thrower, and isn't proejected to be a top pick, and its becoming obvious that Chad isn't the long-term answer at QB.....

Thoughts?

[JETSimpala]

The Washington 2nd pick is also key for us. If they keep dropping it will be like having a late 1st round pick.

I could see one of these players slipping: Anthony Spencer, Lamarr Woodley & Ray McDonald

[dwalsh]

i can't make new topics yet, but how bout the Jets drafting Troy Smith? He's putting up far better numbers in college than Mike Vick, is a much better thrower, and isn't proejected to be a top pick, and its becoming obvious that Chad isn't the long-term answer at QB.....

Thoughts?

here's is my thought; we just drafted a QB in the second round last year, why do it again?

[JETSimpala]

^ exactly. Kellen Clemens could actually have been a first round pick last year, but a broken ankle dropped his stock. He's fully recovered, and I've watched him via tapes and on game, and I think he can very well handle Brian Schott's system. Although he doesn't have a strong arm, it's better than Pennington. And he is pretty accurate and smart.

I doubt we'll see another QB drafted early, maybe in the later rounds to fill the 3rd QB spot IF Ramsey does indeed leave.

[lightning]

^ exactly. Kellen Clemens could actually have been a first round pick last year, but a broken ankle dropped his stock. He's fully recovered, and I've watched him via tapes and on game, and I think he can very well handle Brian Schott's system. Although he doesn't have a strong arm, it's better than Pennington. And he is pretty accurate and smart.

I doubt we'll see another QB drafted early, maybe in the later rounds to fill the 3rd QB spot IF Ramsey does indeed leave.

From what i've seen i think kellen's got a nice arm, supposedly he was number 2 behind cutler in that regard.

[AnyGivenSunday]

I don't know what it is about him, but whenever I think of Kellen Clemens, I think of Drew Brees too. I'm not saying that he'll be at Brees's level, since Brees is arguably the MVP of the NFL this year, but I think he could be in the Brees mold of QBs.

[All Star]

here's is my thought; we just drafted a QB in the second round last year, why do it again?

Troy Smith didn't exactly have the same college career as Kellen Clemens.

[Sean Ryan]

and Ryan Leaf and Tom Brady didn't exactly have the same college career

[kinghenry89]

From what i've seen i think kellen's got a nice arm, supposedly he was number 2 behind cutler in that regard.

According to who???

I think that Vince Young might have something to say about that. Clemens has a very accurate arm and knows what to do with it (which IMO are much greater assets than just having a cannon, as long as you aren't throwing ducks) but I've never seen evidence of the #2 arm in the draft last year.

[DonnieIsTheKing]

According to who???

I think that Vince Young might have something to say about that. Clemens has a very accurate arm and knows what to do with it (which IMO are much greater assets than just having a cannon, as long as you aren't throwing ducks) but I've never seen evidence of the #2 arm in the draft last year.
#2 was a stretch for him to say, but Clemens definitely goes #3 in my book. Clemens throws a very accurate deep ball (and I'm talking deep, not Chad Pennington deep) and that might be what he was talking about. As for Kellen's ability to sling it across the middle, it's alright.

We don't need a first day QB right after choosing Clemens... we have too many major needs on D and we need a playmaker. To toss aside an unproven mid-2nd round pick after seeing him through less then 10 pro passes is completely retarded in my opinion, unless there's a talent like Brian Brohm sitting pretty (which there won't be).

I'm starting to believe that if Troy Smith plays well in the Championship Game, he'll be the 2nd or 3rd QB off the board and in the first round, hands down. I didn't like the idea a week ago, but after seeing some more film of him he's VERY polished and very accurate. I'd still take a talented Charlie Weis trained QB over him, but Smith is slowing working his way up to #2 on my board. People thinking he'll be around in the 2nd round - dream on.

[Sean Ryan]

#2 was a stretch for him to say, but Clemens definitely goes #3 in my book. Clemens throws a very accurate deep ball (and I'm talking deep, not Chad Pennington deep) and that might be what he was talking about. As for Kellen's ability to sling it across the middle, it's alright.

We don't need a first day QB right after choosing Clemens... we have too many major needs on D and we need a playmaker. To toss aside an unproven mid-2nd round pick after seeing him through less then 10 pro passes is completely retarded in my opinion, unless there's a talent like Brian Brohm sitting pretty (which there won't be).

I'm starting to believe that if Troy Smith plays well in the Championship Game, he'll be the 2nd or 3rd QB off the board and in the first round, hands down. I didn't like the idea a week ago, but after seeing some more film of him he's VERY polished and very accurate. I'd still take a talented Charlie Weis trained QB over him, but Smith is slowing working his way up to #2 on my board. People thinking he'll be around in the 2nd round - dream on.

I see it going in this order..

Quinn
Brohm
Smith

His height just isn't gunna get him in the top 2

[All Star]

I see it going in this order..

Quinn
Brohm
Smith

His height just isn't gunna get him in the top 2

And Drew Brees is only 6'0", just imagined if he was 3 inches taller, best QB ever :up: