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kevmvp
11-20-2006, 08:59 PM
I know its way to early to talk about the draft but with the Jets need of a RB and probably a FB if Brian Leonard is available in the second round i think we should take him. FB has always been an important position for the Jets because CP throws a lot of short passes plus the fact that i think we just need a FB. Leonard is a physical freak and i think he would really help the Jets out what do you guys think.
Too early and wrong section, otherwise you're doing great....
We need 11 1st round picks for defensive players.
JetsIn2004
11-20-2006, 09:03 PM
I know its way to early to talk about the draft but with the Jets need of a RB and probably a FB if Brian Leonard is available in the second round i think we should take him. FB has always been an important position for the Jets because CP throws a lot of short passes plus the fact that i think we just need a FB. Leonard is a physical freak and i think he would really help the Jets out what do you guys think.
2nd ROUND!? OH MY GOD.
7th round, maybe.
JETSimpala
11-20-2006, 09:05 PM
2nd round for an FB is simply to early. We have other important holes to fill
kevmvp
11-20-2006, 09:05 PM
2nd ROUND!? OH MY GOD.
7th round, maybe.
From what i have heard people are saying that he is a second round pick.
ViLmAfAn5128
11-20-2006, 09:12 PM
yeah, but not in the NFL, we have other needs
PRPitbull
11-20-2006, 09:17 PM
From what i have heard people are saying that he is a second round pick.
he is a second rd pick.
GreyhoundJet
11-20-2006, 10:40 PM
He may be a 2nd rounder for someone else but not for us.. we have way too many other holes to fill
the Jets need of a RB
No, they don't.
2nd round for an FB is simply to early. We have other important holes to fill
hes not just a fb. he can block, run, and catch. wed be lucky to grab him in the second round.
JetsIn2004
11-20-2006, 11:07 PM
From what i have heard people are saying that he is a second round pick.
Then let them take him... From what I see, 7th round is reaching.
Cakes
11-20-2006, 11:10 PM
He'll probably be a 3rd or 4th round selection.
hazmat
11-20-2006, 11:15 PM
I could see him being a 4th or 5th round pick. I do think someone will take him higher because he brings so many different things to the table. But this team has way too many needs with those first day picks that taking Leonard doesn't really make sense.
Rambo13
11-20-2006, 11:17 PM
Didn't we just (stupidly) take a FB on the first day of the draft? How's that working out?
way too many needs...doesn't anyone just look at the fact there were so many changes that they're finally adjusting to and that a week ago we outplayed the Patriots? 1st round pick defense, second round offensive line or d-line, other second rounder Leonard, 3rd rounder defense again, is that so hard? Don't forget free agents too.
CatoTheElder
11-20-2006, 11:18 PM
2nd round for an FB is simply to early. We have other important holes to fill
No, second round picks should be used on kickers and Doug Jolley.
And Askew was considered a possible RB, I remember the draft board saying that actually, besides, Askew doesn't run a 4.4 and have a huge vertical leap for a big guy that can block and run...why is it also so hard to just accept he's worth it? If you don't take chances, you don't succeed.
Brooks Brady
11-20-2006, 11:21 PM
These are the positions the Jets need more than a fullback:
EVERYTHING
Wow, I don't know why I even post here anymore...we win against the Patriots and we're playoff bound and everyone was great, oh look Leon is amazing Chad is back D-rob was AFC defensive player of the week lets all rejoice...they lose to a 9-1 team now and every player sucks.
Does anyone remember how useful Alstott was for the Bucs back in the day? Or even Richie Anderson to us. Couple good parts of both of them with good character and overall versatility and you've got Leonard.
PRPitbull
11-21-2006, 12:01 AM
Does anyone remember how useful Alstott was for the Bucs back in the day? Or even Richie Anderson to us. Couple good parts of both of them with good character and overall versatility and you've got Leonard.
dont even bother. they hear the word "fullback" and automatically write the guy off. The fact that someone thinks hes a 7th rounder just goes to show you how much he knows. Anyone whos seen him play knows hes more than just a fullback. Hes a fullback who can run the ball 20 times, catch passes, run block well and pass block well. So basically for the price of a 2nd rounder you get a hb/fb/te and last i checked, Mangini loves versatility.
stats from the previous 3 years:
2003: 213 att for 880 yds and 9tds
53 rec for 488 yds and 5 tds
2004: 199 att for 732 yds and 7 tds
61 rec for 518 yds and 2 tds
2005: 173 att for 740 yds and 11 tds
55 rec for 568 yds and 6 tds
JetsIn2004
11-21-2006, 12:04 AM
dont even bother. they hear the word "fullback" and automatically write the guy off. The fact that someone thinks hes a 7th rounder just goes to show you how much he knows. Anyone whos seen him play knows hes more than just a fullback. Hes a fullback who can run the ball 20 times, catch passes, run block well and pass block well. So basically for the price of a 2nd rounder you get a hb/fb/te and last i checked, Mangini loves versatility.
stats from the previous 3 years:
2003: 213 att for 880 yds and 9tds
53 rec for 488 yds and 5 tds
2004: 199 att for 732 yds and 7 tds
61 rec for 518 yds and 2 tds
2005: 173 att for 740 yds and 11 tds
55 rec for 568 yds and 6 tds
And how much of these #s were accumulated against the University of Buffalo and schools like that that Rutgers insist on playing?
Um, every school plays a garbage team here and there, at least Buffalo is still D-1. Vtech plays how many of the same even crappier teams that aren't even D-1 every year? And don't think I'm bashing them, Vtech is actually my favorite team. H.B. Blades even went as far as to say Leonard was the best back he faced, and he has played Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Walter Reyes, and Darius Walker.
Just come on, what fullback do you know of that runs a 4.47 and blocked for one of the top 5 running backs this year in all of college football? And can of course catch as well as the best TEs.
Just watch, he'll get drafted to the Patriots and score on us for 80 yards in the first game his rookie year because Mangini felt the same way you naysayers do.
Cakes
11-21-2006, 12:21 AM
And how much of these #s were accumulated against the University of Buffalo and schools like that that Rutgers insist on playing?
Some were put up against quality programs like West Virginia, Louisville, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College. Others were put up against recent bowl participants such as Michigan State, Navy, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc.
Eagles TE L.J. Smith played collegiately at Rutgers. Rutgers' opponents didn't hinder him in the NFL.
jetman8094
11-21-2006, 12:33 AM
Wow, I don't know why I even post here anymore...we win against the Patriots and we're playoff bound and everyone was great, oh look Leon is amazing Chad is back D-rob was AFC defensive player of the week lets all rejoice...they lose to a 9-1 team now and every player sucks.
That sums it up. But about the orginal post. I agree the Jets could use a player like Leonard but I wouldn't spend a pick as high as the 2nd round as it stands now. I am however high enough on him to pick him in the 3rd round. However, it is still to early to access the Jets complete list of needs so lets wait til the offseason to start the debate.
JetsIn2004
11-21-2006, 12:34 AM
Some were put up against quality programs like West Virginia, Louisville, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College. Others were put up against recent bowl participants such as Michigan State, Navy, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc.
Eagles TE L.J. Smith played collegiately at Rutgers. Rutgers' opponents didn't hinder him in the NFL.
LJ Smith is overrated too. Decent player, not anything terribly special. He's Chris Baker in a more pass oriented offense.
I'm sorry, but I can't get excited about a guy who lost his RB job at Rutgers of all schools.
Cakes
11-21-2006, 12:38 AM
I'm sorry, but I can't get excited about a guy who lost his RB job at Rutgers of all schools.
I wouldn't worry about that. Tom Brady lost his job at Michigan.
Carnell Williams was drafted after his Auburn backup.
Rambo13
11-21-2006, 01:42 AM
dont even bother. they hear the word "fullback" and automatically write the guy off. The fact that someone thinks hes a 7th rounder just goes to show you how much he knows. Anyone whos seen him play knows hes more than just a fullback. Hes a fullback who can run the ball 20 times, catch passes, run block well and pass block well. So basically for the price of a 2nd rounder you get a hb/fb/te and last i checked, Mangini loves versatility.
It's not that we are writing the guy off. It's just that the fullback position is a position that can be easily filled late in the draft or through free agency. Unlike a bunch of the other positions that we could use upgrades at (OL, DL, LB, TE, etc.) We aren't saying he is a 7th rounder because he sucks, we are saying he is a late rounder because he plays a dieing position. A lot of teams are phasing out the FB and this is a numbers thing. There just isn't the worth in the position that there used to be.
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Also, if this player played at say Wyoming, we would not be hearing of him but due to the NYC-centric population on this board he has been brought up numerous times. Just because he plays at Rutgers doesn't mean he deserves constant mention.
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Who was the earliest FB/H-Back taken in recent years?
2006
H-Back Anthony Fasano was taken 53rd overall.
The first true FB taken was David Kirtman by Seattle with the 163rd pick.
2005
Washington selected Manuel White with the 120th pick.
Who the hell is Manuel White? This coming from someone who knows the names well of over a thousand players due to Madden...
But seriously, would you argue if he was an H-back BETTER than Cooley? He certainly has the potential. And I honestly don't see why anyone would want three defensive rookies with the first three picks, we're gonna start all three and have them make mistakes and then say "They're rookies, they make mistakes" all year?
Rambo13
11-21-2006, 11:58 AM
Who the hell is Manuel White? This coming from someone who knows the names well of over a thousand players due to Madden...
But seriously, would you argue if he was an H-back BETTER than Cooley? He certainly has the potential. And I honestly don't see why anyone would want three defensive rookies with the first three picks, we're gonna start all three and have them make mistakes and then say "They're rookies, they make mistakes" all year?
Cooley was still taken in the third round, same as Askew.
It doesn't matter...he'll be great wherever he goes, the ONLY reason I think it's important here is because he would add a lot to the offense in a way that no FULLBACK prospect ever has. Askew's case...he wanted to a RB, that's what he was listed at when he was drafted as well. Draft position shouldn't be such a big deal past the first round anyway, late round guys can be steals, but there's a difference between a steal and a guy that won't make it past a certain point due to his history and physical abilities. Most see him a second rounder, so what's the big deal since we have two? Most teams don't have two, I could easily argue that he's not worth their pick just because they only have one.
We took Nugent and Justin Miller in the 2nd round, neither has met their value yet besides Miller as a returner. Every pick is a gamble, I don't understand why one wouldn't want to support the gamble towards a good character guy with ridiculous speed for a big white guy than can block, run, and catch.
People want playmakers, well he is one.
Rambo13
11-21-2006, 02:54 PM
It doesn't matter...he'll be great wherever he goes, the ONLY reason I think it's important here is because he would add a lot to the offense in a way that no FULLBACK prospect ever has. Askew's case...he wanted to a RB, that's what he was listed at when he was drafted as well. Draft position shouldn't be such a big deal past the first round anyway, late round guys can be steals, but there's a difference between a steal and a guy that won't make it past a certain point due to his history and physical abilities. Most see him a second rounder, so what's the big deal since we have two? Most teams don't have two, I could easily argue that he's not worth their pick just because they only have one.
We took Nugent and Justin Miller in the 2nd round, neither has met their value yet besides Miller as a returner. Every pick is a gamble, I don't understand why one wouldn't want to support the gamble towards a good character guy with ridiculous speed for a big white guy than can block, run, and catch.
People want playmakers, well he is one.
He also lost his job during his senior year. What does that say?
When it comes down to it, I will say it again, the board is enamored with him because he is in the NYC area. That doesn't make him worthy of a high pick.
I'm not saying he sucks or will suck but you have to think of it economically. Certain positions are mistakes if they are taken high in the draft unless the player is a once in a lifetime player at his position. Leonard is not a once in a lifetime player so don't argue it. Economically speaking you don't want to invest a lot of money and a high pick in positions like FB, K, OG, S, and some others because you can get a comparable player at a fraction of the price at a much later pick. Nugent was a mistake, Askew was a mistake, learn from it don't do the same dumbass thing we already f'ed up.
Think of some of the best FBs in the game and some recent Jets FBs.
Richie Anderson - 6th round
Jerald Sowell - Undrafted
Lorenzo Neal - Undrafted
Justin Griffith - 4th round
Tony Richardson - Undrafted
Cory Schlesinger - Undrafted
Mack Strong - Undrafted
Jim Kleinsasser - Undrafted
PRPitbull
11-21-2006, 02:55 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't get excited about a guy who lost his RB job at Rutgers of all schools.
so he should be crucified because hes a team player? Prior to Rice, the offense ran through Leonard and Clark Harris. Ray Rice is playing like a heisman candidate, so of course youre going to want to utilize the young sophmore sensation. So i guess you would like Leonard more if he was a diva who demanded the team revolve around him?
Also, Leonard didnt lose his job, hes a 4 yr starter at FB/H-Back. Also, even though the offense goes through Ray Rice now, Leonard is the team's leading receiver.
What excuse are you going to find now, "well if hes so good why isnt Rutgers still undefeated?!?"
Rambo13
11-21-2006, 02:58 PM
He certainly has the potential.
he'll be great wherever he goes
I put both posts in because I know you understand and you just slipped up in your last post, but let me reiterate, no player is a sure thing. Not even Reggie Bush.
Well, I just want to say Rutgers is not my favorite team so I'm not totally biased to get him for that reason. I'd actually prefer we not go for someone like Clark Harris either, he doesn't seem like a winner in the pros as I can assume Leonard could be. You're right that statement isn't accurate but I would feel the same way if he played for ECU, and I hate those damn Pirates...
kevmvp
11-21-2006, 06:33 PM
No, they don't.
Who on there roster then do you think is their RB of the future. Washington and Houston are good but i think there backups. Right now i would say that they need a RB but Leonard would probably be a versitile FB in the NFL and i think we could use a guy like him.
ViLmAfAn5128
11-21-2006, 06:42 PM
I hope we dont do this,,,, i know most of you guys might remember this
WITH THEIR FIRST ROUND PICK, THE NEW YORK JETS SELECT ROGER VICK FULLBACK..........
Twas a different time, then...but I guess I'm just more leaning towards Leonard with one of the two 2nd rounders because there are two and I think it would help the offense. Seriously so many people want all defensive picks but it wouldn't be smart to have 3 rookies starting back there...2 max, or we'll have Drew Coleman type slipups in key locations more often.
Rambo13
11-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Twas a different time, then...but I guess I'm just more leaning towards Leonard with one of the two 2nd rounders because there are two and I think it would help the offense. Seriously so many people want all defensive picks but it wouldn't be smart to have 3 rookies starting back there...2 max, or we'll have Drew Coleman type slipups in key locations more often.
I agree with you that we don't need D with the first 3 picks. I would like to see a big WR or TE on the first day and possibly a RB. I actually would like Leonard, but wouldn't take him before the 4th round for the reasons listed above.
kevmvp
11-21-2006, 10:20 PM
I just think that Leonard could be a real weapon on offense and the Jets could really use a guy like him. The only reason i said we should take him in the second round is because thats what he is projected to be from what i here. I just think that he would really help out our offense.
Rambo13
11-22-2006, 01:04 AM
I just think that Leonard could be a real weapon on offense and the Jets could really use a guy like him. The only reason i said we should take him in the second round is because thats what he is projected to be from what i here. I just think that he would really help out our offense.
If we are taking a back in the 2nd round, I'd rather it be a proven RB like Bush, Ian Johnson, Kenny Irons, etc.
Coach K
11-22-2006, 09:43 AM
If we are taking a back in the 2nd round, I'd rather it be a proven RB like Bush, Ian Johnson, Kenny Irons, etc.
ta-dah!!!!!
our first two picks need to be spent on either a 3-4 DE and a pass rush OLB. or one of those and a G/RT
if we pick a back I want it to be someone who fell to the 2nd. and I'd prefer them to be taken with OUR 2nd rd pick and not WAS. unless Irons or Bush were available at our whats looking to be a top 8 pick from WAS in the 2nd rd.
oh and on Brian Leonard........he will not play RB in the pro's. he will be a tweener FB. theyll have him bulk up to like 240 and he'll be a do it all kind of FB.
thats just my opinion.
lightning
11-23-2006, 02:05 PM
No, they don't.
yes....they do.
They're considering retiring Leonard's number. How many fullbacks in college have that possible honor?
Just, we should stop arguing it, the draft is still far off. And it seems possible that a team could even use a late 1st on him to not risk missing out on him. While I definitely don't support that, a 2nd rounder, I do. It'll be tough to watch if he goes to a team like the Patriots and makes plays against us every year, or blocks for Maroney to run with ease...
Jabba the Jet
11-26-2006, 05:18 AM
Brian Leonard, RB/FB/H-Back, Rutgers
STRENGTHS
Brian has excellent size, speed and talent to play multiple positions at the next level. He is a very smart player and an excellent team player. He is playing multiple positions for his college team and has been solid in executing all phases of those positions. Brian has played Tailback, Fullback, H-back and I have even seen him line up in the slot as a receiver. This kid has the athletic talent to be a weapon at the next level. He can block like a fullback and picks up the blitz in the passing game like a RB. He still has not scratched the surface of his RB talents.
He reminds me a lot of John Riggins (former RB - Washington Redskins).
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Brian has the same problem as Brian Urlacher when he came out in the draft. They both are so talented and athletic and have great character that it is too good to be true. Most scouts will try to nitpick this kid to death in the hope that he will drop to them in the draft. Of course I’m not sure how well the “Leonard Leap” will work in the NFL, but I’ll let Brian decide that for himself.
TALENT BOARD ROUND: 1
If someone tells you that Brian reminds them of Mike Alstott (FB - Tampa Bay Bucs), you know right away that they are listening to a scout who is trying to downgrade Brian and praying he is there for his team to pick late in the draft. Brian has more athletic talent in his left butt cheek than Mike Alstott ever thought of having. Brian has the same athletic talent that Brian Urlacher has. As I stated earlier - he reminds me a lot of John Riggins (former RB Washington Redskins) and I believe he will have the same impact on the NFL as Riggins did in his career. I personally consider Brian a top ten pick in this draft, but I’m sure he will not be picked in the top ten. The scouts know that a player who is a Fullback/ H-Back in college is
not going to be picked in the top ten; however, I would if I was picking in these slots. Brian can play any position he wants and in a system you need him to play in. Tackling him on a sweep in the NFL is going to scare the living crap out of those itsy bitsy CB’s and safeties. To them, he is going to look like Jason in one of those Friday the 13th movies. I can just see him playing for the Denver Broncos and becoming the feature back in their system. I can see him becoming the featured back in any system for any team in the NFL. I’m going to call him Brian (Jason) Leonard because if you put a hockey mask on him and tell him to run, he is just going to scare the living crap out of you just like Jason did in all those Friday the 13th movies.
The Huddle Report, Drew Boylhart
November - 2006
silent scream
11-27-2006, 02:46 PM
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Brian has the same problem as Brian Urlacher when he came out in the draft. They both are so talented and athletic and have great character that it is too good to be true. Most scouts will try to nitpick this kid to death in the hope that he will drop to them in the draft. Of course I’m not sure how well the “Leonard Leap” will work in the NFL, but I’ll let Brian decide that for himself.
I love watching him leap over defenders when they try to tackle him low, but last Saturday he went for the leap over a guy who was standing and almost made it! (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.)
It was awesome but I'm surprised they didn't get a penalty as he pretty much kicked the guy in the head.
All Star
11-30-2006, 09:09 PM
We do need a FB, Askew is alright, but Leonard can be the next Jerald Sowell, but who actually can run with the ball :)
And beside, he looks like he would fit in perfect with Mangini's style....
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