T G G Fantasy Baseball Thread

[Big Poppa Naich]

Lets get the league started! Who is the commish? Should we hold a vote on whether or not to expand to 14 teams? I wanna get registered!

[ButtleMan]

Naich.
The reason I havent set the league up yet is twofold.
1. Work has been very, very busy for me and when I get home I dont even want to look at my computer.
2. I have been waiting to see if ESPN or another site will be having free leagues so I can see if it would be better than Yahoo,
Once I do get the league set up which will be in the next few weeks I will pm all the returning owners (11) and we will vote on expansion as well as rules/stats of the league.
Dont worry, I am fully aware that everyone is stoked about the league and it will be up and running.

[ButtleMan]

I have seen that CBS Sportsline is having free leagues this year as well. the only thing is that you cant set the rosters. That is pre-set.
Also head to head is based on points.
ex.

Head-to-Head Point Values
Batting Category Point Value
Single 1 point
Double 2 points
Triple 3 points
Home Run 4 points
RBI 1 point
Run 1 point
Base on Balls 1 point
Stolen Base 2 points
Pitching Category Point Value
Win 10 points
Save 10 points
Complete Game 5 points
Strikeout 1 point
Base on Balls -0.5 points
Inning Pitched 2 points
Hits Allowed -0.5 points
Earned Runs -1 point



Head-to-Head Notes:
A team's score is tabulated daily.
Pitchers' hitting stats will not generate any hitting points, and batter's pitching stats will not generate pitching points.
A player will accumulate hitting stats whether or not he plays at the position designated by SportsLine. (e.g., Darin Erstad is listed at 1B on a Fantasy team's roster and he plays OF in a particular game. His hitting stats in that game will still count towards his Fantasy team's total points.)
Only official regular season MLB games will be used to determine Fantasy points. Minor league or exhibition stats generated by your players will not be used.

So instead of getting 5 wins in a week you would get 50 points. It is a bit different. btw, you cant change the stats used or the points for those stats.
So far I think yahoo is better due to the flexibility of the stats and rosters.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

So far I think yahoo is better due to the flexibility of the stats and rosters.

Agreed. ...

[Big Poppa Naich]

Yeah, I honestly don't have a problem at all with Yahoo leagues. They are fine. I'd honestly rather not have to register an account with ESPN, but if that is what everyone is doing, then so be it.

[Drew]

Are there any open spots? Cause I'd like to Join.

[MSUJet85]

Me too......

[DonnieIsTheKing]

I'd like in... who's gunna be the comish?

[17a_tailgater]

sorry our league is already established.we are in our second year.

you guys should try to set up another league and try to keep it to every day posters.that is why our league was a big sucess.

[Big Poppa Naich]

Yeah, definately keep it to people who are regular posters, not people who will cut and run after the first week of the season.

[nyjunc]

I'm in if there is room. Is this the same league we had last year?

[Big Poppa Naich]

Yeah, you were in it last year, so you'll get invited back this year for sure. only 2 guys ended up being inactive. That is really good for a fantasy league. That is what makes it fun.

[17a_tailgater]

i would like to set this up not on yahoo.
i would it to be on a site with live updates.
maybe also get divisions and conferences.

[FITM]

I've got one of the TGG yahoo leagues. Whoever joined it, needs to let me know when to have the draft. I'd like to have the draft when it's conveinant for everyone.

[10nyjets87]

if anyone is going to make a second league im in.

[ButtleMan]

Shade and Mantana, check your pm's!

[17a_tailgater]

shade never checks his pm's

[PinPointPenning10]

I'm just saying, but in the old thread, me, 10P10, and another poster (MSU?) asked to be. Since you are throwing out mcgwire, if the rosters are expanded to 14, someone said we would be the first three in.

[17a_tailgater]

it still has not been voted on

[Big Poppa Naich]

we need everybody to join before we can vote...

[Keeprunning28]

ill join..

[MarkyMark]

Im in (filler)

[17a_tailgater]

sorry guys this league is filled.

only possible 2 openings to be voted on at owners meeting

[ButtleMan]

Calling Shade and mantana. Check your PM's. Otherwise the league will go on without you. :(

[Big Poppa Naich]

Shall we set a deadline? Perhaps Wednesday? If they don't join, we'll have to move on?

[ButtleMan]

FTC needs to sign in as well!

[FITM]

Rate this team...

8-Team League

C - Varitek
1B - Konerko
2B - Kent
3B - Glaus
SS - Lugo
OF - V. Guerrero
OF - Sheffield
OF - Burrell
Utl - J. Pierre
Utl - A. Rowand
Utl - Crede
BN - Thome (1B)
BN - R. Barajas (C)

SP - Santana
SP - Colon
RP - Wagner
RP - Hoffman
P - Pettite
P - Smoltz
P - Burnett
BN - Sabathia
BN - Millwood
BN - Wickman

[ButtleMan]

Rate this team...

8-Team League

C - Varitek
1B - Konerko
2B - Kent
3B - Glaus
SS - Lugo
OF - V. Guerrero
OF - Sheffield
OF - Burrell
Utl - J. Pierre
Utl - A. Rowand
Utl - Crede
BN - Thome (1B)
BN - R. Barajas (C)

SP - Santana
SP - Colon
RP - Wagner
RP - Hoffman
P - Pettite
P - Smoltz
P - Burnett
BN - Sabathia
BN - Millwood
BN - Wickman


Pretty good but I dont like Glaus. Get a good backup.

[ButtleMan]

You always know which team is Shade.
We are just waiting for Mantana and FTC to join.

[wildthing2022000]

^ we're missing 3 teams not just 2.

[ButtleMan]

Mantana and FTC are the last of the returning owners. The other spot is currently open and we will decide who to ask to take his spot.

[PinPointPenning10]

Mantana and FTC are the last of the returning owners. The other spot is currently open and we will decide who to ask to take his spot.

So you're not expanding teams?

[ButtleMan]

So you're not expanding teams?

Once all the owners sign in we will vote on it and if it is a yes then we will vote on who the first invites will go to.
It is a democratic league. Majority rules. :smile:

[17a_tailgater]

i am going to kick buttle's ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

[ButtleMan]

FirstTimeCaller.......We are waiting for you!

[MSUJet85]

Did you guys figure this out yet?

[17a_tailgater]

come on I want to plan a draft date and website to host this bitch

[FirstTimeCaller]

12 teams is the max I'm in for. 14 will be will cause too much disparity in talent level and will result in people falling out earlier which ends up with dead teams. What's the incentive for 14 teams? Also I don't like adding three new managers to a league we are all already comfortable with... it's to much change. Last years league was good... let's not lose the magic.

[17a_tailgater]

I vote 12 teams as well.
1 new manager to take over for mcgwire.

[ButtleMan]

All Owners Check Your Private Messages!

[17a_tailgater]

lets get this going.

[ShadeTree#55]

12 teams......

[17a_tailgater]

with the 1st pick,master blaster selects albert pujols.

[PinPointPenning10]

Who got the extra spot?

[ButtleMan]

I would like to welcome SundayJack as the newest owner in The Gang Green Fantasy Baseball League. :beer:
Owners are currently voting on expansion. As soon as all the votes are in I will announce the verdict.

Mod-Can you sticky this with some ****** to spice up the title?

[wildthing2022000]

I would like to welcome SundayJack as the newest owner in The Gang Green Fantasy Baseball League. :beer:
Owners are currently voting on expansion. As soon as all the votes are in I will announce the verdict.

Mod-Can you sticky this with some ****** to spice up the title?

If I can't get the fantasy basketball stickied what makes you think this will get up there?:grin:

[Big Poppa Naich]

Because baseball > basketball :)

[wildthing2022000]

Because baseball > basketball :)

Then tell me why hockey is up there?

[ButtleMan]

Then tell me why hockey is up there?


Because hockey > basketball :lol: :breakdance:

[wildthing2022000]

^ then hockey > baseball

[ButtleMan]

^ then hockey > baseball

Nope. Last years thread was pinned as well but taken down in the offseason.
It will be back up there again. :smile:

[AMJets]

Who got the extra spot?

Evidentally neither of us, even though we were the first two to ask. :rofl2:

[17a_tailgater]

I am pumped is the draft still march 28?

[ButtleMan]

Yes, the draft is still March 28th.

10pen and PPP10, I understand that you two as well as MSUJets were the first to ask to join the league but when it was first decided that there would be an empty slot I had put a short list of candidates together for that spot which unfortunately neither of you were on.
Voting should be ending shortly on if we will expand and if so then it will be between the three of you.
I dont mean to hurt anyone's feelings but not everyone will be able to get in. Its just the nature of the beast.

[AMJets]

Sundayjack is allowing me to co-own his team with him. My comment was made as a joke, anyway, I wasn't upset or anything.

[17a_tailgater]

blah blah nice way to include yourself with the popular club. postcounts can't buy you love whore



































j/k ha ha welcome aboard now he agreement is 50 posts in the GYC

[17a_tailgater]

can we have buttle do the random draft order on tuesday march 21?
it will make things go quicker plus it gives you some stratergy.

[ButtleMan]

can we have buttle do the random draft order on tuesday march 21?
it will make things go quicker plus it gives you some stratergy.


I was planning on doing that like I did for last years league. :smile:

I really wish we still had the old thread. There was some real good draft stuff in it.

[17a_tailgater]

with the 2nd pick in the 2006 TGG,com baseball draft, the mighty ones select jaret wright SP NY Yankees

[ButtleMan]

With the first pick in the 2006 TGG Fantasy Baseball Draft.

Master Blaster selects 2b/ss Kaz Matsui.

[17a_tailgater]

With the first pick in the 2006 TGG Fantasy Baseball Draft.

Master Blaster selects 2b/ss Kaz Matsui.
with the 3rd pick in TGG.com baseball draft arod=ahole selects david wright,carlos beltran & pedro martinez

[ButtleMan]

The majority of the owners have answered and the league will stay at 12 teams.
The only change that will be made is that one bench spot will be eliminated and an extra DL spot will be added.

[ButtleMan]

Did we have 10 or 12 categories last year?

Damn the board purge!!!!!!

[17a_tailgater]

we had 12 catagories. 6x6
6 batting
6 pitching

[ButtleMan]

What were the other 2? Hits on offense??? and what for pitching?

[17a_tailgater]

batting was
runs rbi hr sb batting average and OBP %
pitching
w sv k whip hld era

[ButtleMan]

I do have 12 stat categories. Call this a senior momen. :smile:

I do have OPS% instead of OBP% Which is right?

[Big Poppa Naich]

the only stat category we have that I hate is holds.

only like 4 or 5 pitchers get them regularly, and I don't even have a clear idea of what they are.

[ButtleMan]

Holds is a stat for setup men and middle relievers. They get credited for a hold when the hold the lead. If they fail to hold the lead the get credited with a blown save.
It gives some more importance to non-closers.

[17a_tailgater]

lets get it on!!!!

tuesday pick the draft order

[17a_tailgater]

hey can we put some spit on the back of this thread and slap it on top of the forum?

draft order being selected tonight.
will be posted tomorrow AM for discussion and let the trash talking continue.

[GreenMachine]

hey can we put some spit on the back of this thread and slap it on top of the forum?

draft order being selected tonight.
will be posted tomorrow AM for discussion and let the trash talking continue.
Got room for 1 more?

[ButtleMan]

Unfortunately not. Sorry GM.

But could you be a good mod and sticky this thread????

[GreenMachine]

Unfortunately not. Sorry GM.

But could you be a good mod and sticky this thread????
Whatever.. I see how it is, become a Mod and nobody wants to play with you anymore...:lol:


Here ya go!

[ButtleMan]

Thanks GM!
Our Mod entry quota has been filled by Mister Moss already. :smile:

We only had one open spot this year and it was filled by SundayJack and the league voted against expanding to 14 teams.

Maybe next year.

[17a_tailgater]

so buttle are you gonna get a chance to do the draft order or shall I?

[ButtleMan]

I got it. I have the names in the hat and it is just a matter of time before the draw.

[ButtleMan]

Here we go boys. The draft order for the 2006 Gang Green Fantasy Baseball League is:

1. Master Blaster - 17a
2. Naich's Knights - Big Poppa Naich
3. Mantana's Maniacs - Mantana Soss
4. Pedro's Pubes - FirstTimeCaller
5. Venomous Sandwiches - devilonthetownhallroof
6. Pain Train Engine #117 - Exit 117
7. Green Sox - Wildthing
8. The Mighty Ones - Buttleman
9. Sunday Jackson - Sunday Jack/10pennington10
10. Arod = Ahole - ShadeTree
11. MM's Krushaz - Mister Moss
12. Nyjunc

Good Luck to all!

[17a_tailgater]

can we do them today then? I'm like a kid of xmas eve

[ButtleMan]

^^^ You just dont like to read other posts, do you?
Look above.

[17a_tailgater]

oh shit !!!! I'm #1??????

I wanted like 6th

[ButtleMan]

Someone gets A-rod.........AGAIN!

[FITM]

The Gang Green #2 League Draft is tommorrow at 8:30PM. Just a reminder.

[17a_tailgater]

with the 1st selection of the 2006 TGG fantasy baseball the master blasters select Paul Lo Duca

[Jetfanmack]

If you let GM, I'll make it 14 and an even number :)

[17a_tailgater]

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

is everyone going to make it?
lets try to get all 12 managers present

[Mantana Soss]

I'll post this here as well, I am requesting that holds be tossed, it just ruins the pitching side of fantasy baseball, throws player value out the window. Walks would be a great replacement, and would prevent the waiver pitcher whoring strategy.

[17a_tailgater]

so your one of those people who disregard the impotance of a good set up man in baseball? should they be left out of the allstar game maybe even the hall of fame?this is what fantasy players from seasons past once said above saves.now closer is one of the most important positions.

but hey its up to the league.and we already have whip why would you want walks?

[Mantana Soss]

Well, if you remove a stat from pitching, you have to either add one to balance it out, or subtract one from hitting and go with standard 5x5 scoring.

Adding walks would be a benefit in that people could not abuse the waiver strategy (When you know you are going to lose ERA/WHIP... picking up/cutting 3-4 pitchers a day to whore wins and K's)... because it would be another negative category built up by doing so.

Holds makes the setup man completely equal to the closer. Another type of player I have to have on my roster just to get one category.

There are only 2 RP and 2 P categories.. I'm going to have to decide to either punt a category, or how to divide those among single-stat players?

K/9 could be a valid stat to add as well, awards efficient pitchers.

[17a_tailgater]

very good points soss. if we eliminate HLD I would like to replace it with something else. b/c I don't want to lose un base%

[ButtleMan]

A proposal has been forward by house Mantana to remove holds and add k/9.

Each house must vote on said proposal. Majority vote wins.

[17a_tailgater]

I vote no........

[devilonthetownhallroof]

No way.........

[Mantana Soss]

I don't necessarily want K/9.. but I would literally rather have ANY OTHER STAT offered than Holds.

[wildthing2022000]

^ you have 2 P spots so what's the problem. Walks wouldn't prevent me from whoring the waivers when I can get 2 points(Wins & K's) for 1 just like in basketball f the turnovers when I'm beating you in blocks and assists.

[Mantana Soss]

^ you have 2 P spots so what's the problem. Walks wouldn't prevent me from whoring the waivers when I can get 2 points(Wins & K's) for 1 just like in basketball f the turnovers when I'm beating you in blocks and assists.

Yes but you're screwing THREE categories to try and take two. Not exactly motivating.

I am usually a big saves hound and this just destroys my entire foundation for managing a fantasy baseball team. (I've played 4 leagues a year for 4-5 yrs now)

[ButtleMan]

Yes but you're screwing THREE categories to try and take two. Not exactly motivating.

I am usually a big saves hound and this just destroys my entire foundation for managing a fantasy baseball team. (I've played 4 leagues a year for 4-5 yrs now)


I usually keep middle guys on the team to help with whip and era anyways.
Saves is usually the one category that I throw away.

[17a_tailgater]

a good setup guy is just as important as a closer in today's baseball and fantasy baseball world

[Big Poppa Naich]

I vote YES. I HATE HOLDS.

[Mantana Soss]

Not in fantasy baseball, no way.

You guys are the only group out of 20+ leagues I've played so far to use Holds. It's a stat that barely exists, has a screwy formula, and has only been around a couple yrs.

[17a_tailgater]

I vote YES. I HATE HOLDS.
than just give us a different option instead of holds

[Mantana Soss]

I would rank alternatives:

1. Losses
2. Walks
3. K/BB
4. Complete Games
5. Total bases

[AMJets]

Holds is a joke of a stat. K/9 or K/BB.

[17a_tailgater]

Holds is a joke of a stat. K/9 or K/BB.
why k/bb? you have whip and by doing k/9 is making a sp stronger

[Mantana Soss]

why k/bb? you have whip and by doing k/9 is making a sp stronger

Why does K/9 make a SP stronger, it's a ratio.

[Mantana Soss]

I really think losses would be the best replacement, though.

[17a_tailgater]

thats not a bad idea doing the losses.

what are the rest of the cats that yahoo allowes for pitches????

[Mantana Soss]

Statistical Categories (Max: 15 batting, 15 pitching)

Batters
Games Played (GP)
Games Started (GS)
At Bats (AB)
Runs (R)
Hits (H)
Singles (1B)
Doubles (2B)
Triples (3B)
Home Runs (HR)
Runs Batted In (RBI)
Sacrifice Hits (SH)
Sacrifice Flys (SF)
Stolen Bases (SB)
Caught Stealing (CS)
Walks (BB)
Intentional Walks (IBB)
Hit By Pitch (HBP)
Strikeouts (K)
Ground Into Double Play (GIDP)
Total Bases (TB)
Putouts (PO)
Assists (A)
Errors (E)
Fielding Percentage (FPCT)
Batting Average (AVG)
On-base Percentage (OBP)
Slugging Percentage (SLG)
On-base + Slugging Percentage (OPS)


Pitchers
Pitching Appearances (APP)
Games Started (GS)
Innings Pitched (IP)
Wins (W)
Losses (L)
Complete Games (CG)
Shutouts (SHO)
Saves (SV)
Outs (OUT)
Hits (H)
Total Batters Faced (TBF)
Runs (R)
Earned Runs (ER)
Home Runs (HR)
Walks (BB)
Intentional Walks (IBB)
Hit Batters (HBP)
Strikeouts (K)
Wild Pitches (WP)
Balks (BLK)
Stolen Bases Allowed (SB)
Batters Grounded Into Double Plays (GIDP)
Save Chances (SVOP)
Holds (HLD)
Total Bases Allowed (TB)
Earned Run Average (ERA)
(Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Strikeouts per Walk Ratio (K/BB)
Strikeouts per Nine Innings (K/9)

[17a_tailgater]

ip
shutouts
complete games
or
losses

[Mantana Soss]

IP promotes waiver pitcher whoring.

Losses would be my absolute preference.

[17a_tailgater]

IP promotes waiver pitcher whoring.

Losses would be my absolute preference.

what is this whoring your talking about?this is a pretty honest league.also maybe we could limit waiver wire p/u to 2 or 3 per week?
also trade and waiver wire deadlines

[devilonthetownhallroof]

It's a stat that barely exists, has a screwy formula, and has only been around a couple yrs.

The exact same thing was said about saves a while back...

[17a_tailgater]

every team has a 7,8,9 inning pitcher

[wildthing2022000]

What's wrong with waiver whoring? You only do it in the playoffs in the finals. You'd have to be an idiot to do that during the season because you'd lose all your guys to teams with higher waiver ranks.

Keep the league the way it was from last year nothing was wrong with it.

[Mantana Soss]

It's stupid. Normally I am the active owner who has at least 4 closers at all times because I am watching the wire.

Now I can't. Skill and activity are NOT rewarded because there is no room to stockpile closers, as you have to split rosters with freakin' setup men.

[17a_tailgater]

I for one think there should no waiver wire after a certain date.

sorta like real baseball with september call ups.

[ButtleMan]

It's stupid. Normally I am the active owner who has at least 4 closers at all times because I am watching the wire.

Now I can't. Skill and activity are NOT rewarded because there is no room to stockpile closers, as you have to split rosters with freakin' setup men.


Hoseshit! It is a skill. You really dont see the benefit of setup men do you?
Here is the reason that I wont hoard closers. If you can get good setup men on your roster they will help with Whip/era/wins/saves & holds.
A real good setup man will get the win and save chances due to the innings that they pitch and they are usually the first man to take over the closer role if the real one goes down for a few weeks. They also pitch more innings than closers do.
Would you rather of had Braden Looper or Scot Shields on your team last year?

You are against whoring but not hoarding. Sometimes I will keep one pitching spot on my team open for various pitchers throughout the year depending on how they are throwing and who they are against. It is a strategy and using the waiver wire and other owners ignorance against them.

I vote against dropping holds.

[nyscene911]

I'm looking at the GG2 league. Am I the only one who thinks its weird to have hits, walks, and WHIP all as pitcher stats? I would think that the latter would be better to have by itself...?

[17a_tailgater]

tgg2 is the minor league,this is the MAJORS.get pen and paper and take notes.maybe you will get a call up next year ha ha j/k scene j/k

[nyscene911]

tgg2 is the minor league,this is the MAJORS.get pen and paper and take notes.maybe you will get a call up next year ha ha j/k scene j/k
Well at least I finally made my way out of tee-ball:rofl2:

[Big Poppa Naich]

I like k/9 stat. That would work for me.

[17a_tailgater]

that will make a power pitches that much more valuable than a groundball pitcher.we already have K's as a cat.

keep holds we already have a25 man roster just like real life.that's what I like about this league

[ButtleMan]

So far the voting is tied 3-3 for dropping holds and adding k/9.
17a, Devil and I voting no
Naich, 10pen10/SJ & Mantana voting yes.

The rest of the league needs to vote.

Adding losses is not an option, that would be like adding strikeouts on the offensive side and this is a league where there arent negative stats.

[17a_tailgater]

whatis the draft time again

[ButtleMan]

7:30........

[Mantana Soss]

Why isn't it an option?

All leagues have negative stats. Football has picks and fumbles. Basketball has Turnovers. I suppose you could count the minus half of +/- in hockey.

[ButtleMan]

Why isn't it an option?

All leagues have negative stats. Football has picks and fumbles. Basketball has Turnovers. I suppose you could count the minus half of +/- in hockey.


Just never intended for any negative stats on it.
The majority of football leagues I am in dont use ints/fumble. Some do, some dont.
But you are right, this is a democratic league so in the best interests of the league, if the league votes for it, it will be added.

[17a_tailgater]

this isn't like others leagues.

[Mantana Soss]

this isn't like others leagues.

Yeah, I'm starting to figure that out.

[ButtleMan]

Yeah, I'm starting to figure that out.


As in good or bad Mantana?

[Mantana Soss]

Depends on one's perception. For me, not good. I personally don't like the "unique" stats that have been added.

I like 5x5. I think adding OPS is just another category to help sluggers out, those who are already properly credited by HR and RBI.

Holds just throws the pitching half out the window. It's designed for starters and closers. That's how every fantasy guide in the universe prepares its rankings and tips - 5x5. In this league, Kyle Farnsworth is going to be worth more than half the mlb's closers. That and I can't stack sleeper closer picks to control the category, because I only have 4 available spots between HLD guys and SV guys. It's like learning to play the game all over again.

With that said, even if I lose every request I make for a more normalized system, I still want to play, just for the sake of challenging the guys I know around here.

[17a_tailgater]

its shouldn't be OPS that's slugging plus OBP

I want OBP

you say your in 4 leagues which are the same,so why not try something different

[Mantana Soss]

Actually one of my leagues has K/9 and OPS.

[ButtleMan]

Depends on one's perception. For me, not good. I personally don't like the "unique" stats that have been added.

I like 5x5. I think adding OPS is just another category to help sluggers out, those who are already properly credited by HR and RBI.

Holds just throws the pitching half out the window. It's designed for starters and closers. That's how every fantasy guide in the universe prepares its rankings and tips - 5x5. In this league, Kyle Farnsworth is going to be worth more than half the mlb's closers. That and I can't stack sleeper closer picks to control the category, because I only have 4 available spots between HLD guys and SV guys. It's like learning to play the game all over again.

With that said, even if I lose every request I make for a more normalized system, I still want to play, just for the sake of challenging the guys I know around here.


The holds stat does not make the setup man more important than a closer. A setup man does not get more holds than a closer gets saves. Tom Gordon and Scot Shields tied for the league lead in holds with 33 each. Thats it.
You are over emphasizing a stat that doesnt play into your strategy or knowledge.

These stats were voted on by all owners, including yourself, last year. No one seemed to object then, but we will see how the remaining owners vote on it.

This is not a "normal" league. It is a 6x6 league and to be competitive you will have to adjust to it.

OPS will get switched to OBP. I wasnt sure which one we had last year.

[17a_tailgater]

buttle, can we make OPS (which is slugging plus on base %) to just OBP (on base %)?

oh and yea KEEP HOLDS!!!!!!!!!!!

[ButtleMan]

^^^^ 17a look above. :smile:

[17a_tailgater]

^^^^ 17a look above. :smile:
oh wow! one of the light bulbs above my desk is out.who the hell did you know that?

[Big Poppa Naich]

The reason I hate holds is that there are way fewer pitchers that actually get holds on a consistant basis than saves on a regular basis. Even if you have a really good relief pitcher, they don't always get holds for their efforts.

It does basically force you to chose between having either closers or setup guys. You basically have to give up one stat to compete in the other.

[ButtleMan]

You also have to remember that this isnt rotisserie where total amounts are needed.
This is head to head where you just have to beat the team you are playing against.

[Mantana Soss]

I completely agree with Nick.. but if you guys want holds THAT bad, I guess I'll play along.

[ButtleMan]

I completely agree with Nick.. but if you guys want holds THAT bad, I guess I'll play along.

Its all up to the vote. Whatever the majority decides I will go along with.

[Exit 117]

I vote no to Holds. I think I had mentioned it to ButtleMan in the PM about the league. It is much better for a roto league, but pointless and harms H2H. Add something else.

[MisterMoss]

I vote no holds!!

[17a_tailgater]

if you vote no than suggest alternative.

[Mantana Soss]

According to Buttle's proposal, a vote against holds is a vote for K/9

[FirstTimeCaller]

Keep the league the way it was from last year nothing was wrong with it.



Agreed. Keep holds.

[Mantana Soss]

Maybe the 4-5 people who are voting against holds did think something was wrong last season.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Maybe the 4-5 people who are voting against holds did think something was wrong last season.


Sounds like you're about to cry about this. We got your point 20 posts ago, you don't like holds.

[Mantana Soss]

Sounds like you're about to cry about this. We got your point 20 posts ago, you don't like holds.

Eh you know, whatever accomplishes my goal :up:

[17a_tailgater]

yankee fans aways complaining until they get there way.
if their not happy than no one should be

[Big Poppa Naich]

So I guess we need to make a decision... where the heck is everybody else in the league? Our draft is in 2 days, I need to make my depth charts.

[MisterMoss]

I haven't even done any homework on Fantasy Baseball for 2006. I think I may need to go through some things tomorrow to start my march to a second consecutive championship.

[17a_tailgater]

so lets get the vote thing wrapped up

moss you suck

[Mantana Soss]

About half the league passionately hates holds. Do the holds fans share that hate for K/9?

[ButtleMan]

So far the voting is tied 3-3 for dropping holds and adding k/9.
17a, Devil and I voting no
Naich, 10pen10/SJ & Mantana voting yes.

The rest of the league needs to vote.

Adding losses is not an option, that would be like adding strikeouts on the offensive side and this is a league where there arent negative stats.

MM and Exit both vote to get rid of holds so that is 5
FTC votes no =4.
Voting will end tonight.
If k/9 isnt the answer for the other stat than what is?

[17a_tailgater]

who is left to vote?
and can we pm them please.this is getting anoying.
mantana you have risen up to #3 on my "I must defeat list" behind #2 mistermoss and of course my arch nemesis BUTTLEMAN

[ButtleMan]

The usuals- Shade and Junc.

[17a_tailgater]

The usuals- Shade and Junc.
as always.......

[wildthing2022000]

You guys count my vote? I'm sure I voted to keep holds.

[17a_tailgater]

You guys count my vote? I'm sure I voted to keep holds.
can we get a recount buttle.
I think its 5-5

[ButtleMan]

MM and Exit both vote to get rid of holds so that is 5
FTC votes no =4.
Voting will end tonight.
If k/9 isnt the answer for the other stat than what is?


Wildthing votes no so it is tied 5-5.
Junc and Shade need to vote!

[Sundayjack]

My vote's missing. I'll hop on this later today, but I absolutely don't want to be the deciding vote.

[ButtleMan]

My vote's missing. I'll hop on this later today, but I absolutely don't want to be the deciding vote.


Sorry SJ but 10pen10 voted for your team already.
Team Sunday Jackson has voted to remove Holds as a category.

[17a_tailgater]

wow jack draft didn't even start and miscommunication already?
Team Turmoil
yankee fan and red sox fan together

[Sundayjack]

Sorry SJ but 10pen10 voted for your team already.
Team Sunday Jackson has voted to remove Holds as a category.
Excellent. Didn't know.

Teamwork, and such. :)

[AMJets]

Sorry SJ but 10pen10 voted for your team already.
Team Sunday Jackson has voted to remove Holds as a category.

If SJ wants to keep them, then he can change the vote. It's his team, originally.

[Sundayjack]

yankee fan and red sox fan together
That's a problem, of course.

It ought'a make an interesting August.

[17a_tailgater]

If SJ wants to keep them, then he can change the vote. It's his team, originally.
way to kiss a red sox fans ass yankme fan......

[Sundayjack]

If SJ wants to keep them, then he can change the vote. It's his team, originally.
Naww. . . I was about to PM you to confer anyway.

Holds seems like kind of a weenie stat.

[ButtleMan]

Do you have a suggestion as to what the new stat should be?

[ButtleMan]

Naww. . . I was about to PM you to confer anyway.

Holds seems like kind of a weenie stat.

So the red sox fan is caving in to the evil empire....

I guess the Bronx wins another over Boston. :rofl2:

[ShadeTree#55]

What am I voting on?

Monty Brewster said: None of the above.

[Mantana Soss]

What am I voting on?

Monty Brewster said: None of the above.

Holds or K/9innings as the 6th pitching stat

[ButtleMan]

What am I voting on?

Monty Brewster said: None of the above.

Keep holds as a stat or drop it?

If you want to drop the category, what would you want to replace it?

[ShadeTree#55]

Holds................

[ButtleMan]

Holds................


Keeping Holds is now up 6-5.

Junc is the deciding vote if he votes.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

If he votes no and it's a tie it stays how it was right? If so it stays either way now.

[wildthing2022000]

Keeping Holds is now up 6-5.

Junc is the deciding vote if he votes.

Just post/PM something on UNC, then stick the ballot in there, then he'll vote while giving you a lecture of the history of UNC getting screwed by the refs.

[nyjunc]

Just post/PM something on UNC, then stick the ballot in there, then he'll vote while giving you a lecture of the history of UNC getting screwed by the refs.

Just showing up for 1 post does not constitute showing up. Only about 6 more months until you get to watch the Sox play!:lol:

[nyjunc]

I vote against holds.

[Mantana Soss]

And we have a draw!

I challenge anyone from the pro-holds side to a game of jetnation tetris to decide the winner.

(I don't hold 9 out of the 10 tetris high scores, either)

[devilonthetownhallroof]

It should just stay. The vote was to CHANGE the league, and it didn't pass. Keep what worked last year.

[wildthing2022000]

Just showing up for 1 post does not constitute showing up. Only about 6 more months until you get to watch the Sox play!:lol:
1 post.....more like 2:lol: You said it yourself that the FF sucked so why should I post on it if it sucks. Don't you have some refs to critize.

[nyjunc]

1 post.....more like 2:lol: You said it yourself that the FF sucked so why should I post on it if it sucks. Don't you have some refs to critize.

If we would have gotten the same # of FTs as Uconn got we'd have won. I think they shot 19 and we shot 4. if you think that's fair then you know less about basketball than I thought you knew.

[17a_tailgater]

the draft is tomorrow didn't we have a managers meetings weeks ago?where was this grievance than?

6-6 deadlock holds stay.
better luck next year

[wildthing2022000]

the draft is tomorrow didn't we have a managers meetings weeks ago?where was this grievance than?

6-6 deadlock holds stay.
better luck next year

I have the same problem in the keeper league nobody does anything till like the day before the draft when I started asking in Feb for stuff.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Tie is a push... we stay the same.

[FirstTimeCaller]

Can't cut list blows... it's made for public leagues.

[17a_tailgater]

make sure to test your system now.last year we had a couple of knuckleheads (buttle) who couldn't draft b/c of their system.

I also couldn't draft but with the help of mistermoss I downloaded firefox and life has never been the same since.

[ButtleMan]

make sure to test your system now.last year we had a couple of knuckleheads (buttle) who couldn't draft b/c of their system.

I also couldn't draft but with the help of mistermoss I downloaded firefox and life has never been the same since.


It was at last years draft. But you wouldnt know since you couldnt get in.

I couldnt get into the football draft.

Push = same. Sorry guys.

[Mantana Soss]

Can we at least add a P or RP slot?

[17a_tailgater]

It was at last years draft. But you wouldnt know since you couldnt get in.

I couldnt get into the football draft.

Push = same. Sorry guys.
I did get in remember I stole arod at #6?

hey soss do yo shop on xmas eve too? you should have voiced your opinion weeks ago.

[Mantana Soss]

I did get in remember I stole arod at #6?

hey soss do yo shop on xmas eve too? you should have voiced your opinion weeks ago.

League has only been around a few weeks. I didn't know it would take 7 days to get a freakin vote on holds.

[17a_tailgater]

so who are you eyeing at the 3rd pick?

[Mantana Soss]

Santana or Vlad probably.

[wildthing2022000]

Just as a reminder to myself and others

Draft order
1. Master Blaster - 17a
2. Naich's Knights - Big Poppa Naich
3. Mantana's Maniacs - Mantana Soss
4. Pedro's Pubes - FirstTimeCaller
5. Venomous Sandwiches - devilonthetownhallroof
6. Pain Train Engine #117 - Exit 117
7. Green Sox - Wildthing
8. The Mighty Ones - Buttleman
9. Sunday Jackson - Sunday Jack/10pennington10
10. Arod = Ahole - ShadeTree
11. MM's Krushaz - Mister Moss
12. Nyjunc

BTW- How come junc is the only guy who never comes up with anything for a team name other than his s/n?

[Exit 117]

Right in the middle. That blows.

[17a_tailgater]

the middle is the best.
want to talk about a trade?

[Exit 117]

I love having beginning or ending picks, mostly because I end up getting called by my parents to do chores. After I make my two picks, I can go do that and come back.

[MisterMoss]

make sure to test your system now.last year we had a couple of knuckleheads (buttle) who couldn't draft b/c of their system.

I also couldn't draft but with the help of mistermoss I downloaded firefox and life has never been the same since.
O yes. You were in complete panic mode. You gave me your cell number to diagnose your browser. :lol:

[MisterMoss]

What's the reasoning for junc going last?

[ButtleMan]

Anyone who cant make it be sure to pre-rank your players.

4 hours to go! :up:

[Exit 117]

Less than an hour!

[Sundayjack]

Anyone who cant make it be sure to pre-rank your players.

4 hours to go! :up:
I'm out. Work calls, but 10P has the wheel.

Yeesh, I can see our pitching staff now - Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, Wright. . . :wink:

[17a_tailgater]

time to play bitches

[ButtleMan]

10 minutes to go!

[FirstTimeCaller]

Can somebody post early returns... I'm at work I can't access Fantasy sports/

[Exit 117]

FTC...
Round #1 - Manny Ramirez
Round #2 - Jake Peavy
Round #3 - Chris Carpenter
Round #4 - Lance Berkman
Round #5 - Carlos Lee
Round #6 - Andy Pettite
Round #7 - Bartolo Colon
Round #8 - John Smoltz
Round #9 - Eddie Guardado

[FirstTimeCaller]

FTC...
Round #1 - Manny Ramirez
Round #2 - Jake Peavy
Round #3 - Chris Carpenter
Round #4 - Lance Berkman
Round #5 - Carlos Lee
Round #6 - Andy Pettite
Round #7 - Bartolo Colon
Round #8 - John Smoltz
Round #9 - Eddie Guardado

Totally appreciate it. Looks like a lot of pitching.


If you could keep me updated I'd appreciate it.

[Exit 117]

#10 - Matt Holliday
#11 - Tim Hudson

[FirstTimeCaller]

Pitcher overload.

[Exit 117]

#12 - Clint Barmes
#13 - Brian Giles

[Exit 117]

#14 - Nick Swisher
#15 - Ivan Rodriguez
#16 - Chris Reitsma

[Exit 117]

#17 - Mark Loretta
#18 - Pedro Feliz

[17a_tailgater]

draft is done check yahoo

[Mantana Soss]

Mar 28 Foulke struck out the side against Triple-A Ottawa in his spring debut Friday, worked another 1-2-3 inning Saturday and a scoreless frame for the Red Sox on Monday.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

He still sucks.

[ButtleMan]

Watch out. He struck a bunch of AAA guys with his change up. Aint no stoppin him now!

[Exit 117]

Both the AAA ST game and the MLB ST game took only 13 pitches with no base runners.

[Big Poppa Naich]

I'm fairly happy with my team. I lack offense, but some trades might help out.

[Exit 117]

I'm not happy with my team at all. Nothing was falling in place, especially since Sunday's team took the guy I wanted right before me 3 times. It just sucked all around for me.

[MisterMoss]

I am completely loaded offensively. If anyone has any interest in hitting, take a look at my squad.

[Exit 117]

I am completely loaded offensively. If anyone has any interest in hitting, take a look at my squad.What are you looking for?

[Big Poppa Naich]

yeah, all my plans on offense got jacked right before my turn on at least 6 players.

[MisterMoss]

What are you looking for?
mid-level pitching. I was actually planning on waiting a little bit into the season, but it doesn't matter too much.

I wouldn't mind trading a hitter and a pitcher for a high-end pitcher, just to open up a roster spot.

[Mantana Soss]

My offense is better.

[MisterMoss]

My offense is better.
Ehh. There is no point of argueing over something like this now. I think my power is probably a little more spread out than yours. You may end up scoring more. Who knows. We have Thome, Rolen, Bonds...3 players who weren't able to play the second half of the year, so it's kind of hard to tell. But it's fair to say that both are quite strong.

[Mantana Soss]

Don't think you comprende. I said my hitters are better. That is definitive. End of discussion.

[MisterMoss]

Don't think you comprende. I said my hitters are better. That is definitive. End of discussion.
Miguel Cairo is a good hitter, but he's not going to make it on any Fantasy Teams.

[FirstTimeCaller]

MM deal on the table for you.

All I need 3b willing to move SP

[17a_tailgater]

I like my team a lot. well balanced.
my only regret was drafting SP liriano from the twins.

[17a_tailgater]

and at least I didn't draft michael barrett ha ha lol

[nyjunc]

What's the reasoning for junc going last?

It should have been based on last year's standings(I would have been close to the bottom anyway) but it's not a big deal. i think they randomly selected the order.

[17a_tailgater]

It should have been based on last year's standings(I would have been close to the bottom anyway) but it's not a big deal. i think they randomly selected the order.
I could see your point if this was a keeper league but its not.we start over with some minor adjustments .

[ShadeTree#55]

I have 3 monster 1st baseman.
Lee
Delgado
Sexson

Looking for a closer.

[ButtleMan]

I have 3 monster 1st baseman.
Lee
Delgado
Sexson

Looking for a closer.


Talk to Ten Sundays about that.

[Sundayjack]

Talk to Ten Sundays about that.
Why? No confidence in Prince Fielder? :rolleyes:

Shade, 10P and I haven't talked about our roster yet. After we do later today, maybe we can do business..

[ButtleMan]

Why? No confidence in Prince Fielder? :rolleyes:

Shade, 10P and I haven't talked about our roster yet. After we do later today, maybe we can do business..


Nope, you just have a stockpile of closers. :smile:

[17a_tailgater]

looking at the rosters, I think we should have extended the rosters by 2 bench players.

ithought it was a 25 man roster?

oh well is there a way to maybe have like september call ups?
maybe like at the allstar break you can add to players to every roster.

[Mantana Soss]

Mantana is looking for an ace pitcher. Plenty to offer back.

[FirstTimeCaller]

It should have been based on last year's standings(I would have been close to the bottom anyway) but it's not a big deal. i think they randomly selected the order.



Agreed. I suggest a broad new initiative... we should put a promotion relegation aspect into this league. Since we are the major leagues and there is another TGG league that is widely accepted as the minor leagues we should give the first place person of the minor league (or possibly top two) a shot at promotion and relegate the lowest team of our league. We should also set the draft order ourselves with the reverse of last years final standings.


All in favor say I.


I

[wildthing2022000]

But I can't have two teams in the major leagues.:grin:

[17a_tailgater]

oh yea some people are in both leagues

[FirstTimeCaller]

That's BS.

[MisterMoss]

FTC, i'll get to your trade soon. I was a bit busy today. Sorry for the delay.

[ButtleMan]

17a - Liriano made the Twins roster but as a reliever. :smile:

[17a_tailgater]

17a - Liriano made the Twins roster but as a reliever. :smile:
just wait until he does get in the rotation.its lights out.

or he could be my nick swisher from last year.I hold onto him until the all star break waiting for the breakout.he does squat.then I release him and he goes on a tear.

[MisterMoss]

Hey FTC. I really don't like that trade at this point in the season. The upside of what I'm giving up is just wayyy too much at this point. I countered with another deal. It's rather big, but look through. I think it addresses the position you were looking at in some capacity. Feel free to counter if you wish.

[FirstTimeCaller]

I'm on for a little while... let's work this MM. I don't want the guy you offered for my position of need. I'll counter

[FirstTimeCaller]

Alright I took out the filler and got right to the point.