Detroit Tigers @ New York Yankees Game 1

[17a_tailgater]

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tis tis skankee fans.

if the yanks sweep the double header and the mets win tonight,guess who will have the best record in baseball??????

that's right the New York Mets.

[17a_tailgater]

1 on 1 out and pudge is up.
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[GreenMachine]

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wow day game and no thread?
tis tis skankee fans.

if the yanks sweep the double header and the mets win tonight,guess who will have the best record in baseball??????

that's right the New York Mets.
So you are saying "GO YANKEES"


Real men eat roast beef sandwiches:beer:

[ShadeTree#55]

Keep the best record...Go Tiggers.

[ShadeTree#55]

ARod needs a hug.

[17a_tailgater]

arod boo'd again
double play

[17a_tailgater]

So you are saying "GO YANKEES"


Real men eat roast beef sandwiches:beer:
and yankee fans eat tube steaks.
end of 2 no score.

[Phyr]

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if the yanks sweep the double header and the mets win tonight,guess who will have the best record in Quadruple A??????

that's right the New York Mets.

Quote adjustment for the NL.

[nyscene911]

I can't think for myself and spew out every idiotic thing I here
Quote adjustment for Yankee fan.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Isn't someone going to start a Jeter thread?

[ShadeTree#55]

Something must be wrong with gamecast.

It says Jeter struck out with 2nd and 3rd 1 out?

[GreenMachine]

Cano......DOUBLE

[Drew]

Craiggy!!!!

[ShadeTree#55]

D"E"rek Jeter?

[3rdAnd15Draw]

how has this detroit team won 82 games? is their pitching that good?

[jonnyd]

pitching is that good.....

[ShadeTree#55]

Tigers are just the product of a weak league.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

pitching is that good.....

Does anyone think this team is making it out of the first round though? Their offense is terrible and outside of Bonderman you don't really have a legitimate top pitcher on the staff. Sure, the other guys are nice for an 162 game season, but in a short playoff series it seems like trouble

[lightning]

Tigers are just the product of a weak league.
:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

[lightning]

Does anyone think this team is making it out of the first round though? Their offense is terrible and outside of Bonderman you don't really have a legitimate top pitcher on the staff. Sure, the other guys are nice for an 162 game season, but in a short playoff series it seems like trouble
Yes, i get the feeling it seems as they have the perfect pitching staff to get toasted ina short series.

[GreenMachine]

Yankees win...Great game from Wang....Let's Play 2!!!

[nyscene911]

NY Mets 81 49 .623 - 43-23 38-26 699 584 Won 3 9-1
Detroit 82 50 .621 - 40-24 42-26 656 522 Lost 1 3-7


Thank You! :smile:

[3rdAnd15Draw]

speaking of "aces" with absolutely miserable peripherals that will be unable to sustain their current levels of success, it's Chien Ming Wang!

[jonnyd]

I think detroits inexperience will do them in in october...paving the way for the yankees to meet and beat the mets in the big dance

[Phyr]

Quote adjustment for Yankee fan.
If you are going to make fun of me you might as well use correct spelling! :up:

[nyscene911]

If you are going to make fun of me you might as well use correct spelling! :up:
Whats spelled wrong?

[Phyr]

hear not here

[nyscene911]

hear not here
My bad...oh well.

[AlioTheFool]

Jeter is ultra-clutch!

[The Dark Knight]

With a win, the Yankees will be up 9 games in the East. Poor Boston.

[EcKo151]

At least ARod got to breath a LITTLE sigh of relief with that RBI groundout...

The fans are definately behind him.

[The Dark Knight]

Mark Bruney-ell?

[kinghenry89]

speaking of "aces" with absolutely miserable peripherals that will be unable to sustain their current levels of success, it's Chien Ming Wang!
Wang is like Derek Lowe, except hopefully not such an idiot. He's a one trick pony (with a power sinker being the one trick) and as long as he stays on top of it he just needs to rely on his defense to get outs for him. The trap that Lowe fell into (and that many other sinkerballers have as well) is trying to become a big strikeout pitcher and losing the ability to throw sinkers for strikes, which forces him to throw fastballs over the plate and get hammered. We'll see how Wang's career proceeds.

In any case he pitched an absolute gem today, and all those choppers back his way will hopefully remind voters that Wang should be a serious gold glove candidate (if not the front runner for the award.) I mean, if Jeter can win 2 in a row can't we give Wang 1?

[kinghenry89]

Villone gets out of trouble...the Yankees are one inning away from the sweep.

[AMJets]

Scott Proctor?

Tired?

Get the hell outta here!

[kinghenry89]

:mad: ****!!!!

I like it better when Mo closes games...

[AlioTheFool]

Joe Torre is testing my ability to not commit murder.

[The Future]

Fuck. Why :

A)Wasn't Mo just put in to get it done?
B)Why wasn't Dotel put in!

Proctor is a workhorse... shame for putting him in.

[AlioTheFool]

3 Strikes too late.

[kinghenry89]

Fuck. Why :

A)Wasn't Mo just put in to get it done?


Because he pitched 3 outs earlier today, and if you think it's dangerous to overwork Proctor then you certainly don't want to play with fire by overworking Rivera.

B)Why wasn't Dotel put in!

Proctor is a workhorse... shame for putting him in.

Because Dotel isn't as good a pitcher as Proctor right now. The reason that Proctor was brought in is because he's the workhorse--this was supposed to be his reward.

[AMJets]

I guess Farnsworth looked at Joe Fuckface Torre the wrong way this morning.

[AlioTheFool]

I'm all kinds of disgusted right now. When the hell is someone in the media going to wake up and start calling for Joe's head on a platter?

[AMJets]

Yankees lose. Thank you Clueless.

Hopefully RJ dominates tomorrow, so Torre doesn't have the opportunity to fuck us over again.

[kinghenry89]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't want to play the Tigers in the postseason this year.

[kinghenry89]

I'm all kinds of disgusted right now. When the hell is someone in the media going to wake up and start calling for Joe's head on a platter?
When the Yankees haven't just gained 9 games on the first place team in their division over the past month?

[AMJets]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't want to play the Tigers in the postseason this year.

Why? We're a better team than the Tigers, we've proven that all season. When the post-season comes around, Rivera will pitch in the 9th every save situation. We're 4-2 against the Tigers this season, and both losses have been due to someone OTHER than Rivera closing the game out.

[The Future]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't want to play the Tigers in the postseason this year.

I would love to play Detroit in this postseason.

Proctors been this years version of (last seasons) Tanyon Sturtze. The workhorse. (Let's hope Proctor doesn't go down for any reason).

It's a shame he gave up this HR. I don't see why Farnsworth wasn't warming up, I mean he hasn't pitched since Sunday....and Dotel? C'mon, let's make him worth our time..

[kinghenry89]

Why? We're a better team than the Tigers, we've proven that all season. When the post-season comes around, Rivera will pitch in the 9th every save situation. We're 4-2 against the Tigers this season, and both losses have been due to someone OTHER than Rivera closing the game out.
Because the Tigers have hitters who can get big hits in big situations, and they seem to be constantly coming back in the 25th hour. I don't worry about the Yankees losing on another 2 out 9th inning homerun, but I sure as hell worry about the 7th and 8th innings of those games.

[AMJets]

Because the Tigers have hitters who can get big hits in big situations, and they seem to be constantly coming back in the 25th hour. I don't worry about the Yankees losing on another 2 out 9th inning homerun, but I sure as hell worry about the 7th and 8th innings of those games.

They haven't constantly been coming back against the Yankees. They've done it twice in six games when someone other than Rivera has closed the game out. They're a good team, but there is something seriously wrong if the Yankees can't beat them in the playoffs.

[kinghenry89]

They haven't constantly been coming back against the Yankees. They've done it twice in six games when someone other than Rivera has closed the game out. They're a good team, but there is something seriously wrong if the Yankees can't beat them in the playoffs.
Coming back dramatically 33% of the time is pretty impressive, but your point is valid. They have, on the other hand, been coming back against every other team in baseball all season long and I suppose that there is "something seriously wrong" with every team in baseball considering that Detroit has the best record in the MLB right now.

[AMJets]

Coming back dramatically 33% of the time is pretty impressive, but your point is valid. They have, on the other hand, been coming back against every other team in baseball all season long and I suppose that there is "something seriously wrong" with every team in baseball considering that Detroit has the best record in the MLB right now.

The point was, everytime Rivera has been unavailable is when they've been to come back. Rivera will be available in every post-season game (and if he's not, it's likely that it's because the Yankees have a 2-0, 3-1 lead or something like that.)

There's not something seriously wrong with every other team in baseball. The Tigers are better than they are, they are expected to beat those teams. This Tigers team is not built to beat a team like the Yankees. They're a combined 7-15 against the White Sox and Yankees, two teams that have a team built to beat the Tigers. They won't make it in the playoffs if they have to face us or Chicago.

[AlioTheFool]

Coming back dramatically 33% of the time is pretty impressive, but your point is valid. They have, on the other hand, been coming back against every other team in baseball all season long and I suppose that there is "something seriously wrong" with every team in baseball considering that Detroit has the best record in the MLB right now.

This was only their fourth win in their last 11 games (I think they said they have only won 3 of their last 12 early in the game tonight.) They have the best record because they won so many early. The second half has been very bad for the Tigers.

[kinghenry89]

The point was, everytime Rivera has been unavailable is when they've been to come back. Rivera will be available in every post-season game (and if he's not, it's likely that it's because the Yankees have a 2-0, 3-1 lead or something like that.)

There's not something seriously wrong with every other team in baseball. The Tigers are better than they are, they are expected to beat those teams. This Tigers team is not built to beat a team like the Yankees. They're a combined 7-15 against the White Sox and Yankees, two teams that have a team built to beat the Tigers. They won't make it in the playoffs if they have to face us or Chicago.
If you'll read above, I agreed with you that there's nothing to fear in the 9th inning. The problem is that the Tigers score runs in innings other than the 9th, and could very easily cause huge trouble for Proctor/Farnsworth/Villone in the 7th and 8th, precluding Rivera from ever getting into the game.

Plus, keep in mind that in this double header the Yankees faced Ledezma and Robertson. I have no faith in Kenny Rogers to go 6 in a playoff game, but Verlander and Bonderman are one of the best 1-2 punches in baseball.

They have the best record because they won so many early.

Games won in April are worth as much as games won in August. All teams go through hot and cold stretches--hopefully tonight's collapse doesn't send the Yankees and Tigers in oppisite directions.

[GreenMachine]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't want to play the Tigers in the postseason this year.
How many Double headers are there in the postseason???

Really man...dumb post.

[AMJets]

Plus, keep in mind that in this double header the Yankees faced Ledezma and Robertson. I have no faith in Kenny Rogers to go 6 in a playoff game, but Verlander and Bonderman are one of the best 1-2 punches in baseball.

Neither of those guys pitched well in their starts vs the Yankees this year, and the Yankees have had success against hard throwing pitchers. I also know I have Mussina and Wang ready to face them. And I wouldn't be surprised if Leyland went with Rogers in one of the first two games.

I'd be absolutely shocked if the Tigers beat the Yankees in a playoff series, even if they keep homefield advantage (although with the way they've played recently, you never know.) The White Sox are the only team I would worry about, and their pitching is definitely not as good as ours, and our hitting is slightly better IMO. The two teams that have given the Yankees fits in the past, Boston and LA Angels, aren't going to be in the playoffs this year. We have the best team we've had in a few years, and the playoff competition won't be as good as in recent years. This is the Yankees best chance to return to the WS since 2003.

[Boss Revis]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't want to play the Tigers in the postseason this year.

Because the only time the Tigers beat the Yankees it wasn't against your best?

(Mariano)

[EcKo151]

And now people wonder why some of us trash Joe...Pathetic use of the pen, plain out pathetic.

[kinghenry89]

How many Double headers are there in the postseason???

Really man...dumb post.

You know, there's a possibility that the Tigers comeback had to do not just only with Scott Proctor, but with the Tigers offense. And there's also a slight possibility that Proctor will pitch meaningful innings in the postseason (though he hopefully won't be in the game in save situations.) So tell me why it was a dumb post?

And now people wonder why some of us trash Joe...Pathetic use of the pen, plain out pathetic.

Which available or soon to be available manager would you hire to replace Torre?

[AMJets]

You know, there's a possibility that the Tigers comeback had to do not just only with Scott Proctor, but with the Tigers offense. And there's also a slight possibility that Proctor will pitch meaningful innings in the postseason (though he hopefully won't be in the game in save situations.) So tell me why it was a dumb post?

The reason that makes the most sense is that the day Proctor (who has been lights out for almost two months now) gives up a big hit, it's the day he pitches in both games of the double header. You can say he only threw one pitch in the first game, but you have to remember that he threw his regular number of warmup pitches in the pen and on the mound TWICE in one day. He was tired. A guy who has been overused more than any pitcher in all of baseball should not, under any circumstance, be pitching in both games of a doubleheader. Hell, he shouldn't even be warming up in both games.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Tough game, Joe continues to suck at using the pen. Ah well, were in a fine spot now.

[EcKo151]

Which available or soon to be available manager would you hire to replace Torre?
Like i've said this entire season...IF Torre does not deliver this season, I want Piniella.

[AMJets]

I would want either Piniella, Girardi, or stay in house and give the job to Pena. Of all the baseball people on this current staff, I think Pena is the best.

[BIG COUNTRY]

I would want either Piniella, Girardi, or stay in house and give the job to Pena. Of all the baseball people on this current staff, I think Pena is the best.
Bowa:breakdance:

[EcKo151]

Farnsworth OR Dotel are not used in the day game...Both have experience closing out games...

No, Torre has gotta wear out Proctor. Thanks.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Farnsworth OR Dotel are not used in the day game...Both have experience closing out games...

No, Torre has gotta wear out Proctor. Thanks.
I wonder if Proctor's arm just totally goes dead, he has been way overused, Torre killed Sturtze and now hes doing the same with Proctor.

[EcKo151]

I wonder if Proctor's arm just totally goes dead, he has been way overused, Torre killed Sturtze and now hes doing the same with Proctor.
It's only a matter of time...

Did it to Quantrill and Gordon as well...And now Villone is slowly becomming that guy, just keep wearing them out Joe.

[MisterMoss]

Newsflash. I don't know why this wasn't posted yet. Coming home from the game on the post game show, Torre said that Farsworth had a back issue and wasn't able to pitch in the second game. He couldn't get it stretched out or something like that. I'm tired of these random Farnsworth poopouts.

[EcKo151]

Newsflash. I don't know why this wasn't posted yet. Coming home from the game on the post game show, Torre said that Farsworth had a back issue and wasn't able to pitch in the second game. He couldn't get it stretched out or something like that. I'm tired of these random Farnsworth poopouts.
Then put in Dotel...

Or at least let Mo pitch to 1 BATTER to close out the game...

[jetsaholic1094]

Then put in Dotel...

Or at least let Mo pitch to 1 BATTER to close out the game...

Hind-sight is 20/20.

It's easy to say that now, but if you already put in Proctor to close the game, would you really yank him after he already got 2 outs? If Torre did, you'd probably be whining about how he's overusing Mo. Besides, Rivera already said he wasn't going to pitch in the 2nd game before it even started. MM already stated Farnsworth's back was hampering him. And you have got to feel alot safer with Proctor defending that 1 run lead over the league-leading Tigers than Dotel.

[EcKo151]

Hind-sight is 20/20.

It's easy to say that now, but if you already put in Proctor to close the game, would you really yank him after he already got 2 outs? If Torre did, you'd probably be whining about how he's overusing Mo. Besides, Rivera already said he wasn't going to pitch in the 2nd game before it even started. MM already stated Farnsworth's back was hampering him. And you have got to feel alot safer with Proctor defending that 1 run lead over the league-leading Tigers than Dotel.
Hind-sight? More like common sense. Farnsworth(before I know about this "injury") and Dotel were fresh...And it wouldn't be over-using Mo, he hasn't pitched in the last few days, then just give him tomorrow off, we've all seen Mo do double-duty, just take the series with your best man...

Feel safer with Proctor? I don't think he has any saves in his career, he's been the most over-used reliever AND was used earlier today, disgraceful.

[kinghenry89]

I would want either Piniella, Girardi, or stay in house and give the job to Pena. Of all the baseball people on this current staff, I think Pena is the best.

So you're gonna fire Joe Torre, who with the Yankees has a record of 968-634 (.608 win %) for a man with a career record of 198-285 (.410 win %)? Fire Torre, who's won 4 world titles in New York and 6 AL Pennants for a guy who has never managed in a playoff game?

Piniella I could see you making a serious arguement for (I think that he's too combustible for a Yankee clubhouse filled with billionaire primadonnas, but that's just me.) Girardi even I could see (despite his total lack of experience he is doing a great job and he is a former Yankee.) But Pena?

I guess we're lucky that you're not the Yankee GM.

[AMJets]

So you're gonna fire Joe Torre, who with the Yankees has a record of 968-634 (.608 win %) for a man with a career record of 198-285 (.410 win %)? Fire Torre, who's won 4 world titles in New York and 6 AL Pennants for a guy who has never managed in a playoff game?

Piniella I could see you making a serious arguement for (I think that he's too combustible for a Yankee clubhouse filled with billionaire primadonnas, but that's just me.) Girardi even I could see (despite his total lack of experience he is doing a great job and he is a former Yankee.) But Pena?

I guess we're lucky that you're not the Yankee GM.

The fact that you're comparing Torre's record with the Yankees, a team that has had the most talent in baseball in Torre's tenure, to Pena's record with the Royals, a team that has had the least talent in baseball in Pena's tenure, makes your entire point irrelevant. You think if Torre managed the Royals for a year, and Pena managed the Yankees, that the Royals would have a better record? Of course not. They'd win 65-70 games, and the Yankees would win their usual 95+.

Let's not forget that Torre was a losing manager before he fell into such a great position (894-1003). And we're talking about Pena, a guy who has been widely recognized for his baseball knowledge, but had the worst talent in the league for 3+ seasons (and in one of those seasons managed to win 83 games.) It's not like Torre all of a sudden learned how to be a good manager in NY. Torre's most positive trait is that because he's had great teams, he is respected by all in baseball, but he's an awful in-game manager. From 1996-2000, he had Stanton-Nelson-Rivera. Two great relievers with rubber arms that Torre could go to whenever. It was easy for him. Now that he doesn't have those automatic guys outside of Rivera, and he has to think, he has done an AWFUL job.

Piniella is a good in-game manager, and I think would fit well. What is with all this billionaire prima-donna crap, anyway? Who is the locker room cancer that will be a problem with Piniella? The only two guys who could cause a problem are A-Rod (because of his ego) and RJ (because of his demeanor). Luckily enough, both these guys were managed for many many years by Piniella. So ironically enough, they'd probably have the MOST respect for Piniella. We know Sheffield won't be back. Who else would be a problem? Jeter is great in the clubhouse. Everyone loves Damon, he doesn't cause any problems. Giambi, Matsui, Cano, Posada, Rivera, Melky, Wang, Abreu, none of these guys are going to cause problems. In the next few years, the influx of young talent will continue, and guys like Hughes, Clippard, Duncan, etc. will have respect for him because firstly, they're rookies, and secondly, he would be their first ML manager, and no one forgets their first manager.

Piniella is the perfect candidate to be Yankees manager. Players respect him, he's a good in-game manager, he's a former Yankee and Steinbrenner likes him. Hopefully if the Yankees win the WS this year, Torre will retire.

[kinghenry89]

Just some final thoughts on this game/thread (I couldn't make them yesterday because I was out of town):

1) 10Pen10, your evidence for Tony Pena as being a better manager is...what exactly? I'm not trying to argue that if you put Torre as the Royals manager that they win the World Series, I was just trying to point out the sheer ridiculousness of suggesting that we fire a highly successful manager for a manager who's failed miserably in the majors. And as for your point about Torre having a bad record when he was hired? I agree with you, he never should've been hired in the first place--his record didn't warrant it. We just got lucky that it worked out for us.

2) Torre's decision to pitch Proctor instead of bringing in Rivera for 6 outs in one day seems better in retrospect now that being overworked has Rivera unavailable with a sore elbow.

[AMJets]

Just some final thoughts on this game/thread (I couldn't make them yesterday because I was out of town):

1) 10Pen10, your evidence for Tony Pena as being a better manager is...what exactly? I'm not trying to argue that if you put Torre as the Royals manager that they win the World Series, I was just trying to point out the sheer ridiculousness of suggesting that we fire a highly successful manager for a manager who's failed miserably in the majors. And as for your point about Torre having a bad record when he was hired? I agree with you, he never should've been hired in the first place--his record didn't warrant it. We just got lucky that it worked out for us.

I said of the guys currently on the staff, should they go in that direction, I would go with Pena. He has been widely regarded as a good in-game baseball guy who was a victim of the awful KC teams. In his first year here as catching coach, he has made adjustments to Posada's motion, and now he's better than he ever has been at throwing runners out. I'm not saying he would be a great manager, but if we pass on Piniella and look in the organization (unless Mattingly shows a willingness to manage), they should look at Pena.

[AlioTheFool]

I would promote Mattingly in a heartbeat if he were willing to take it on. He may be open to it now as well. He walked away from the game, and seemed to have no desire to do anything but help at spring training until a couple years ago. Now he travels with the team every day, so managing wouldn't be a huge change to his daily routine. He already has the respect of the players. They absolutely adore him. The only issue he might have is that his hitting coach ability would have to take a backseat, and he is an amazing hitting coach.

I would want Girardi, without question. I love Pinella the player, but despise him as a manager. I think he would crash and burn here. He doesn't have the personality to coach this team. I'll agree with kinghenry on this one, there are too many prima donas on this team for Pinella to comfortably deal with.

Girardi has multiple things going for him. He already has the respect from a number of core players with the team. Walking in, he would already have guys like Jeter, Mo, Bernie, and Jorge on his side. He has had success this year, with a team that shouldn't even be near .500. Granted, a sub .500 team should never be talked about in terms of the wild card, but it's still amazing that the words have even been uttered. He's young, and he more understands the psyche of the modern ballplayer than Torre. Plus, I am positive Girardi could do a much better job managing the pitching staff than Torre.