Red Sox News (BAD for the bosox, good for the Yankees)

[dwalsh]

per kffl.com & the ESPN ticker.
Red Sox | Team without its top three sluggers
Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:07:42 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Boston Red Sox have sent their top three sluggers back to Boston for more medical tests. LF Manny Ramirez (knee), who has played in just one of the teams previous five games, RF Wily Mo Pena (wrist) and 1B David Ortiz (irregular heartbeat) will be in Boston until further notice.

per espn.com (To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.)
Source: Sox appear likely to trade Wells

The Red Sox are shopping veteran pitcher David Wells, and a source familiar with the conversations has put the odds at "80-20 or 90-10" that Boston will trade him in the next 48 hours.

St. Louis, the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Diego appear to be the frontrunners to land Wells, the source said.

Wells, 43, cleared waivers on Aug. 3, at a time when he was just starting to come back from a serious knee problem; on July 31, he allowed eight runs in 4 2/3 innings. Because he cleared waivers, he can be traded to any team without restriction, and Wells has pitched much better of late. He has a 2.65 ERA in the month of August, walking five and striking out 20 in 34 innings.


The notion that the Red Sox might consider trading Wells would've seemed ludicrous two weeks ago, but Boston is in freefall and has dropped six games behind the Twins in the wild-card race, and seven games behind the Yankees in the AL East. Wells has talked about retiring at the end of this season, so if the Red Sox keep Wells through the month of September and don't make the playoffs, they would effectively lose him for nothing.


And Wells has high value right now, at a time when the likes of Shawn Chacon and Ramon Ortiz are the only pitchers who typically get through waivers. Wells' exceptional postseason history has to intrigue teams: In 16 postseason series, he has a 10-4 record with a 3.15 ERA. In order to be eligible for postseason play with another team, Wells would have to be traded by Aug. 31.


In the end, the Red Sox may decide to keep Wells. But their recent conversations with other teams have been aimed at laying the groundwork for a possible deal if they decide to move the left-hander.


The other contending teams who have expressed interest in acquiring Wells include the Mets, Twins, Diamondbacks, Phillies, A's and the Reds.

Buster Olney is a senior writer at ESPN The Magazine.

[MisterMoss]

Aside from the "positive" impact this has on the Yankees, and aside from the fact that I have Ortiz on my fantasy team, I genuinely hope that Ortiz and his heart is OK.

[dwalsh]

Aside from the "positive" impact this has on the Yankees, and aside from the fact that I have Ortiz on my fantasy team, I genuinely hope that Ortiz and his heart is OK.

oh yeah, me too. He is a great player, and I hope he can return back to full health. I could be without the HRs against the Yankees, but i hope he fully recovers

[AMJets]

I don't think it's "good" for anyone, especially concerning Ortiz. Hopefully all is well. Besides, with or without them, Boston is dead and should be looking towards 2007.

[Royal Tee]

I guess Getting slapped up for 5 games would do that to you. Figured it be Theo Epstein with the heart palps. :wink:

Good thing we did what we had to do if not the excuses would have been raining down.
That said,
I don't like beating teams without their full squad.
I hope they all make it back healthy this year. They are 2 of Baseball's great players right now.

afa the Bosox go. We lost 2 of our best bats this year (3 if you include Arod) and we're 7 games up.
Which Means that we have a better overall team.
This season is NOT over. Don't you believe it.

[AlioTheFool]

While I despise Ortiz, I would never wish something like this on anyone. It's not really helping us either. Boston wasn't catching us at this point anyway. Manny will be fine, Ortiz who knows? I hope the guy is okay. Can you imagine the blow to the organization if he cannot play anymore?

[jkgrandchamp]

Looks more and more inevitible that Jeter will win M.V.P !!!

[ShadeTree#55]

Jermaine Dye is the MVP.

[nyscene911]

Looks more and more evitible that Jeter will win M.V.P !!!
Evitable-capable of being avoided; avoidable.

Perhaps you meant INevitable.

But yeah, nice to see you find excitement in Ortiz's heart condition.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Evitable-capable of being avoided; avoidable.

Perhaps you meant INevitable.



Since Jeter really doesn't belong in the MVP discussion in the first place, maybe he did mean evitable.

I hope Wells doesn't end up on the Mets.

[nyjunc]

Since Jeter really doesn't belong in the MVP discussion in the first place, maybe he did mean evitable.

I hope Wells doesn't end up on the Mets.

When does the silliness stop? You probably think ARod is an MVP candidate. jeter is rightly near the top of MVP candidates. I wouldn't be annoyed if Dye won it but Jeter deserves it as much as anyone.

[jkgrandchamp]

Evitable-capable of being avoided; avoidable.

Perhaps you meant INevitable.

But yeah, nice to see you find excitement in Ortiz's heart condition.
I dont find excitment in his condition . But considering hell be back in a week and the Red Sox dismill play will play a role ! I think Ortiz is EXCITING TO WATCH with the style of play he provides . He really gave the D.H a new role

[nyscene911]

Since Jeter really doesn't belong in the MVP discussion in the first place, maybe he did mean evitable.

I hope Wells doesn't end up on the Mets.
Same here. While on the Mets, I want to check the odds on them NOT making the playoffs. BP lists them as a 99.99975 (or 99.99985)% chance of being in. Thats either 400k-1 or 666,667-1. If they're offering those odds, I'm gonna put down a dollar on it. You know, just incase. To ease the pain.

[jkgrandchamp]

When does the silliness stop? You probably think ARod is an MVP candidate. jeter is rightly near the top of MVP candidates. I wouldn't be annoyed if Dye won it but Jeter deserves it as much as anyone.
His Ba alone !

[ShadeTree#55]

Freddy Sanchez for NL MVP!!

[3rdAnd15Draw]

When does the silliness stop? You probably think ARod is an MVP candidate. jeter is rightly near the top of MVP candidates. I wouldn't be annoyed if Dye won it but Jeter deserves it as much as anyone.

Why would I think ARod is an MVP candidate? He isn't having a very good year, and yet his OPS is just .022 points lower then Jeters. Of the "playoff contenders" Boston has 2 players much more deserving then Jeter, Chicago has 3, Minnesota has 2 and on the Yanks of course you have Giambi. I left out Travis Hafner, who may be the best hitter in baseball at this point.

Freddy Sanchez for NL MVP!!


:rofl:

[The Future]

I hope Big Papi has a healthy recovery. I don't see it as good news for the Yankees because to be all honest, I think that Boston is done.

[dwalsh]

for all the MVP talk, it means Most Valuable Player.

You don't have to have amazing stats, but its mostly about how VALUABLE you are to your team. If Jeter was taken out of the Yankees lineup, they wouldn't be as good as they are.


Unfortunately, in the last bunch of years, the MVP has turned into the Most Outstanding Player.

[jonnyd]

I think now that papi is out of the running for mvp, Jeter is going to win...writers love him, plus with all the injuries the writers will see his supporting staff as diminished, helping his cause

[3rdAnd15Draw]

for all the MVP talk, it means Most Valuable Player.

You don't have to have amazing stats, but its mostly about how VALUABLE you are to your team. If Jeter was taken out of the Yankees lineup, they wouldn't be as good as they are.


Unfortunately, in the last bunch of years, the MVP has turned into the Most Outstanding Player.

Well, no shit. If you took any of the players I referenced out of their teams lineup, their teams wouldn't be as good as they are either. And since they're all clearly better hitters then Jeter, they're more valuable to their teams as well.

You're going to have to do a better job of explaining your warped view of the definition of VALUABLE for us to have any meaningful dialogue here.

[AMJets]

Jeter definitely has a good chance to win it, even though he doesn't deserve it. He's not even the most deserving player on the Yankees.

[GreenMachine]

Jeter definitely has a good chance to win it, even though he doesn't deserve it. He's not even the most deserving player on the Yankees.
Yea, who would that be???

Don't even say Giambi.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Jeter probably will win, and the way the AL MVP voting has gone over the past few years it really won't be that much of a suprise. It seemed like maybe they were getting back on track after the atrocities that were the 01 and 02 winners but they appear to be headed back down that path.

[AMJets]

Yea, who would that be???

Don't even say Giambi.

Why not? He's been the better player, and has been more valuable to the team. Other than win shares, Giambi holds an advantage in the categories that should determine an MVP. But, like I said, Jeter has a better chance of winning because all the writers love him, and for some reason people still think batting average isn't a worthless statistic at the major league level.

[GreenMachine]

Why not? He's been the better player, and has been more valuable to the team. Other than win shares, Giambi holds an advantage in the categories that should determine an MVP. But, like I said, Jeter has a better chance of winning because all the writers love him, and for some reason people still think batting average isn't a worthless statistic at the major league level.
So you are telling me that there would not be outrage that a .263 batter won MVP...:ohmy:

[AMJets]

So you are telling me that there would not be outrage that a .263 batter won MVP...:ohmy:

Of course there would be, and it would be by these old-school baseball types who actually think that batting average matters.

[ShadeTree#55]

BA still matters. It shouldn't be i stat, but it matters.

[jkgrandchamp]

Of course there would be, and it would be by these old-school baseball types who actually think that batting average matters.
Look at Jeters Tangables

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG

124 502 92 169 30 3 12 81 241 57 82 26 3 .413 .480

AVG
.337

:breakdance:

[ShadeTree#55]

Its not a Reyes line, but not bad for a slap hitter.

[AMJets]

BA still matters. It shouldn't be i stat, but it matters.

I don't see how it matters. Anyone would take a .250 BA .420 OBP player over a .330 BA .400 OBP player. OBP renders BA virtually useless.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Ortiz and Beltran are both hitting in the .280s and they're considered legitimate MVP candidates. I don't think there would be any great outcry if someone hitting .260something won the award. Of course, Giambi's already been absolutely robbed of one MVP award and then the next year had a far inferior player on his team win the award, so this isn't new territory for him.

[AMJets]

Look at Jeters Tangables

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG

124 502 92 169 30 3 12 81 241 57 82 26 3 .413 .480

AVG
.337

:breakdance:

Uhh... okay?

[jkgrandchamp]

Uhh... okay?
He could break .350 for the season !

[ShadeTree#55]

I don't see how it matters. Anyone would take a .250 BA .420 OBP player over a .330 BA .400 OBP player. OBP renders BA virtually useless.

Depends on the slugging %.

OBP is all well and good, slugging deterimes how well the person hits.

[AMJets]

He could break .350 for the season !

I'm still trying to figure out why that's so important? It's not like his OBP is close to being in the .460s or .470s.

[boomer]

Jermaine Dye is the MVP.
If it was anyone else but Jeter...

[jonnyd]

Deseved or not, Its gonna be Jeter. But if theres one thing I dont concern myself with its post-season awards...who gives two shits who wins?

[Borgata]

I don't see how it matters. Anyone would take a .250 BA .420 OBP player over a .330 BA .400 OBP player. OBP renders BA virtually useless.

Yea but usually the 2 are the same if a person has a high avg then there gonna have a high OBP. The only part that is gonna be different is the walks which are also good becuase a walk is just as good a hit but I still think you can get a decent quick look at a player by looking at avg without having to research them. But for the MVP choice sake I think you do definetly go farther then just looking at avg and do the research that needs to be done to find out how they're doing with runners in scoring posistion, etc...