Tom Glavine's season/career over? [Archive] - TheGangGreen.com Message Board

NYJetFan37

08-19-2006, 07:07 PM

Poster on ESPN who is Glavine's brother in law (he's proved it in the past when I used to post on ESPN boards, including calling him being a Met when everyone else was saying he was heading to Philly) said that Glavine has a blood clot in his arm and will need season ending arm surgery and his career could possibly be over. As always take it with a grain of salt, but this guy has been money in the past...

Boss Revis

08-19-2006, 07:44 PM

I smell BS

nyscene911

08-19-2006, 08:15 PM

How do we know its the same guy? I saw the post too, and the guy only has like 21 posts. And like, 2 weeks ago he was saying that Glavine was going back to Atl next year because he stopped working for him.

I don't buy it.

Jonathan_Vilma

08-19-2006, 08:35 PM

NYJetFan37

08-19-2006, 08:38 PM

He gave detailed daily updates during the process, I think he also posted pics of him with Glavine's wife at the all star game, but whatever

TurkJetFan

08-19-2006, 08:51 PM

He gave detailed daily updates during the process, I think he also posted pics of him with Glavine's wife at the all star game, but whatever

it seriously worries me because if hes been money in the past its hard to ignore...but i wont believe it until i see it....im just hoping this isnt the case because that would be devastating to this team

Learn To Swim

08-19-2006, 08:57 PM

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I don't see any credibility there.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-19-2006, 11:38 PM

I haven't heard ANY buzz about this anywhere but in that thread. With the Sanchez injury the Mets had a reason for trying to keep it quiet(for a day at least).

You've got to think that someone else would've picked up on this by now.

deviljets7

08-20-2006, 04:13 AM

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Unfortunately it looks like the guy on the ESPN board wasn't full of it

USAFJETSFAN

08-20-2006, 04:18 AM

Unfortunately, just saw it myself on ESPN..No news if it is a clot or not more tests to follow. WOW! this would totally kill us if we lose Glavine..

MSUJet85

08-20-2006, 04:22 AM

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Unfortunately it looks like the guy on the ESPN board wasn't full of it
Losing Glavine would hurt our playoff hopes very badly

deviljets7

08-20-2006, 04:31 AM

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Tom Glavine's season could be in jeopardy.

Glavine, 40, has experienced coldness in a finger on his pitching hand, and the New York Mets left-hander is scheduled to undergo medical tests next week in hopes of finding the cause, sources told the New York Daily News.

Glavine, a 287-game winner, is scheduled to have a CT scan Monday and an angiogram on Wednesday, the newspaper reported. Doctors are unsure whether Glavine's problem is related to a blood clot or possibly a "knot" in an artery near his left shoulder.

Agent Gregg Clifton confirmed Saturday that diagnostic tests are planned for next week, but he declined to elaborate. Mets spokesman Jay Horwitz would not acknowledge a medical issue.

Doctors apparently have ruled out an aneurysm, the newspaper reported. Last year, Mets reliever Felix Heredia experienced coldness and numbness in his pitching hand and ultimately was diagnosed with an aneurysm in the shoulder, which ended his Mets career.

Glavine (12-6, 3.92 ERA) hasn't been present in the clubhouse the last two days at Shea Stadium.

The loss of Glavine would be a serious blow to the Mets, who already have Pedro Martinez on the disabled list for the second time this season.

Learn To Swim

08-20-2006, 10:14 AM

Let's hope Oliver Perez is just fluking right now.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 10:20 AM

Strange that he's been pitching horribly for months and his last 2 starts before he goes out he actually looked better.

If he was going to be the "mid season" Glavine or Oliver Perez can step it up this really isn't much of a loss and may actually be better for the Mets. Presumably it ends any thoughts they had of getting him back here next year too.

nyscene911

08-20-2006, 11:54 AM

Un-fucking-belieivable. I am absolutely speachless at this happening. I mean, wow. I REALLY hope this isn't too serious.

With him out, who do we call up? Brian Bannister? Ollie Perez? Perez had another amazing game last night(took a no-hitter into the 7th, ended up with 7IP, 1H, 0BB).

Crap, this sucks.

TurkJetFan

08-20-2006, 12:04 PM

this would reallllly be a huge hit to the mets...anyone who plays this off is just plain clueless....hes a huge veteran leader in the clubhouse...and when hes on he can get it done...yeah hes gone through a rough spell but other than that he sits em down...

oliver perez is no the answer this year

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 12:10 PM

I'm not trying to play anything off. The thought of Tom Glavine as the Game 2 starter in a playoff series terrified me. Of course, it could end up worse(say if Willie decides that El Duque will be the 2 and Trachsel the 3).

Oliver has had great success in the past and he's had 2 very good starts in a row at AAA. Obviously at this point he's going to be called up and the Mets will see what he can do.

Glavine was very good at the start of the season, but he's been very bad lately. Not only has he not been pitching that well, he's been consistently leaving games early putting a strain on the pen. If he is indeed out for the year this isn't the end of the world.

MParty7441

08-20-2006, 12:24 PM

Perez did pitch awesome last night for the Tides.....

Boss Revis

08-20-2006, 12:26 PM

People can overrate this, as I agree with 3rd that his Game 2 start would indeed scare me, but this sucks.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 12:30 PM

There is nothing good about this. Oliver Perez is not a replacement for Tom Glavine no matter how many good starts he has in AAA.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 12:36 PM

There is nothing good about this. Oliver Perez is not a replacement for Tom Glavine no matter how many good starts he has in AAA.

Perez in 04 was pretty much better then Glavine's ever been, even in his prime. So if he can come anywhere close to that I'd say he could adequately fill in for Glavine at this point.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 12:45 PM

NYJetFan37

08-20-2006, 12:56 PM

GreenMachine

08-20-2006, 12:57 PM

Wow, this sucks for you guys. I just saw this on ESPN. Hopefully it is just a pinched nerve or something minor.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 01:13 PM

First of all what Perez did in 04 can pretty much be considered a fluke at this point. To argue that if player X could return anywhere close to the best he's ever pitched in his career (despite no evidence he's even close to that form) then we're in good shape is a flimsy argument.

Secondly Glavine pitched better the O.P's 2004 season for pretty much 8 seasons in a row from 1991 to 1998. thus the Cy Youngs, WS MVP, tons of wins, and more importantly an amazing ERA. Those years punched his ticket to the HoF.

I guess I have to concede the Cy Young years, but other then those 2 I think its certainly open to debate, and IMO Perez's peripherals put him over the top.

And yes, Glavine was great in the 95-96 postseasons but of course that was over 10 years ago.

PinPointPenning10

08-20-2006, 01:39 PM

Just hope it's nothing like Aaron Cook experienced. We need Tommy back and healthy come playoff time.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 02:05 PM

I guess I have to concede the Cy Young years, but other then those 2 I think its certainly open to debate, and IMO Perez's peripherals put him over the top.

And yes, Glavine was great in the 95-96 postseasons but of course that was over 10 years ago.

So outside of when he's better then Perez.... he isn't. :wink:

Peripherals like being one of the best hitters and fielders in the league for his position? Or like big game experience? Or consistency? Or clubhouse presence? We're comparing a 30 game stretch from a guy who can now barely stay in the major leagues to a guy who has a hall of fame career... me thinks this is a bit ridiculous. Glavine has had a rough second half, no doubt, but comparing these two over their careers or even over the past 6 months is a onesided argument.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 02:25 PM

statjeff22

08-20-2006, 02:27 PM

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 02:37 PM

Who's comparing their careers? Yes, Perez has been inconsistent, but he's also shown that he can be great. Glavine was pitching poorly, and over a couple game stretch like a few playoff starts I absolutely think Perez can "replace" Glavine in the rotation if the Mets get lucky with him.

Well when you're comparing a guys best 30 games which happened 2 years ago and you're saying it's better then another guy "has ever been"... you're pretty much opening up the argument up to career numbers.

One can argue that Glavine too has been great at times this season (and more often then Perez) and clearly Perez has pitched poorly for the majority of the past two years. I'd rather take Glavine then hope a guy with a +6 ERA and no post season experience can capture lightning in a bottle for 4 weeks based on smething he did in 2004. Essentially you're throwing out everything TG has done this season (and his career) and saying because he's had a rough second half some kid with potential is a better choice if he gets lucky... it doesn't make any sense to me.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 02:39 PM

At this point it's certainly wishful thinking that Perez will come in and suddenly be a star, but it's also unrealistic at this point to think that Glavine was going to pitch like it was 1996.

Hopefully for Glavine's sake this is not as bad as it could be.

I'm not asking him to pitch like it was 1996... I'm asking him to pitch like it was April and May of 2006 which is perfectly reasonable and possible. He doesn't need to be an MVP to be a much better choice then Perez right now.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 02:49 PM

Well when you're comparing a guys best 30 games which happened 2 years ago and you're saying it's better then another guy "has ever been"... you're pretty much opening up the argument up to career numbers.

One can argue that Glavine too has been great at times this season (and more often then Perez) and clearly Perez has pitched poorly for the majority of the past two years. I'd rather take Glavine then hope a guy with a +6 ERA and no post season experience can capture lightning in a bottle for 4 weeks based on smething he did in 2004. Essentially you're throwing out everything TG has done this season (and his career) and saying because he's had a rough second half some kid with potential is a better choice if he gets lucky... it doesn't make any sense to me.

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I'm much more likely to believe a 24 year old kid with no injury problems will be able to pull it back together then a 40 year old with a blood clot in his arm.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 02:55 PM

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I'm much more likely to believe a 24 year old kid with no injury problems will be able to pull it back together then a 40 year old with a blood clot in his arm.

We don't even know how serious Glavine's injury is first of all... but if he is healthy enough to pitch he is a much better option then Perez even when he's not in top form. It amazes me that somebody who puts such a negative spin on everything chooses Oliver Perez to look for the silver lining! I'm much more likely to believe a guy who's been one of the best in baseball for years, including the the second half of last year and the first half of this year can regain his form then a guy who's pitching in AAA because he got bombed out of the major leagues and lost his stuff.

3rdAnd15Draw

08-20-2006, 02:59 PM

We don't even know how serious Glavine's injury is first of all... but if he is healthy enough to pitch he is a much better option then Perez even when he's not in top form. It amazes me that somebody who puts such a negative spin on everything chooses Oliver Perez to look for the silver lining! I'm much more likely to believe a guy who's been one of the best in baseball for years, including the the second half of last year and the first half of this year can regain his form then a guy who's pitching in AAA because he got bombed out of the major leagues and lost his stuff.

I'm guessing we can believe this ESPN board guy at this point that Glavine's season is indeed likely over. Although maybe the clot will turn out to be less serious then they think. Anyway, it's no secret that I've never been a big Glavine fan, just when I was starting to come around this year he pulled the rug out from under me. I absolutely don't trust him with the ball in the postseason.

As far as Perez, it's really too early to say anything. We can assume that Perez is going to be given a chance to see what he can do at the ML level over the next couple weeks, and then we'll see.

FirstTimeCaller

08-20-2006, 03:15 PM

As far as Perez, it's really too early to say anything. We can assume that Perez is going to be given a chance to see what he can do at the ML level over the next couple weeks, and then we'll see.

It's not too early to say he's been awful the past two years and his "stuff" is diminishing at this point. That's more then enough evidence for me to say that he is not a replacement for our #2 pitcher. Can he turn it around at some point? Possibly but the playoffs (which he has never been part of before) doesn't sound like a great option for a try out to me.

Pennythetowelboy

08-21-2006, 04:50 PM

gotta give props to glavines "brother" and NYJetFan37 for breaking the news that may destroy our season.

Gator

08-21-2006, 05:08 PM

Put me down with the faction that thinks this could be a positive. Glavines wonderful career is not the issue, his postseason is. It's bad for Glavine, he's a good guy and everything, but the whole clubhouse leader mumbo jumbo is just that. How can he lead when he gets tagged for 450 foot homers in the first inning every start? He's been awful, and for a long time now. If Perez is killing in the minors bring him up and give him the ball......and Glavine was going back to Atlanta to win his 300th no matter what. It's another Olerud situation - his family wants to be there. I've always felt that. So, if it's true that his year is over, thanks Tommy. You were a good Met, but you weren't THAT f'ing good.

NYJetFan37

08-21-2006, 05:45 PM

gotta give props to glavines "brother" and NYJetFan37 for breaking the news that may destroy our season.

brother in law

AMJets

08-21-2006, 06:30 PM

According to Buster Olney, David Wells cleared waivers. Maybe the Mets will show some interest in him to help fill the possible void created by Glavine.

FITM

08-21-2006, 06:32 PM

According to Buster Olney, David Wells cleared waivers. Maybe the Mets will show some interest in him to help fill the possible void created by Glavine.

No thanks.

Jonathan_Vilma

08-21-2006, 06:33 PM

Something that's a bit weird is that I keep hearing Oliver Perez' velocity has dropped considerably without a real reason for it. He was a good pitcher when he was throwing a 95-96 sinking fastball, but I'm hearing reports he was down to as low as 83 MPH? Weird.

Boss Revis

08-21-2006, 06:38 PM

gotta give props to glavines "brother" and NYJetFan37 for breaking the news that may destroy our season.

I'm not giving any props. I hate BOTH of them for reporting it and wish them bad luck with sports related events.

NYJetFan37

08-21-2006, 06:50 PM

I'm not giving any props. I hate BOTH of them for reporting it and wish them bad luck with sports related events.

So in other words you are hoping the Mets and Jets (two teams you root for) fail miserably....Good job, we got a smart one here

Pennythetowelboy

08-21-2006, 07:00 PM

I'm not giving any props. I hate BOTH of them for reporting it and wish them bad luck with sports related events.
i dont even know how to respond to that. its pretty much just a stupid post.

Boss Revis

08-21-2006, 08:03 PM

So in other words you are hoping the Mets and Jets (two teams you root for) fail miserably....Good job, we got a smart one here

Meh. Not you really.. its more of the guy on ESPN.

Learn To Swim

08-21-2006, 08:25 PM

Meh. Not you really.. its more of the guy on ESPN.That fucker! Hearing news of concern to Mets fans and notifying them of it!

Yisman

08-21-2006, 09:26 PM

That fucker! Hearing news of concern to Mets fans and notifying them of it!

Exactly! What a bastard!

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FirstTimeCaller

08-21-2006, 09:51 PM

Wonder how Glavine feels about his family spilling the beans on the internet every chance they get.

Boss Revis

08-22-2006, 12:09 AM

Wonder how Glavine feels about his family spilling the beans on the internet every chance they get.

Exactly the reason I hate the poster.

MSUJet85

08-22-2006, 08:17 AM

Early reports say that it isn't going to require surgery and that he could be back as soon as next week :)

Saw the news on ESPNews

Learn To Swim

08-22-2006, 01:05 PM

Early reports say that it isn't going to require surgery and that he could be back as soon as next week :)

Saw the news on ESPNews

On Sunday it was feared Tom Glavine might miss the rest of the season. Now, the veteran Mets left-hander might be on the mound as soon as next week.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney that an angiogram performed Monday revealed that Glavine has some small blood clots, which have been there for a period of time. This is actually good news, because it indicates his body has been dealing with this on its own.

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nyscene911

08-22-2006, 03:30 PM

Glavines good. Now Newsday and the Mets are reporting it :up:

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statjeff22

08-22-2006, 03:33 PM

Good news. Now, put him on the 15 day DL (retroactive to August 17), and bring up Oliver Perez to see what he can do and make him postseason eligible.

FirstTimeCaller

08-22-2006, 08:12 PM

Why is anybody eager to see Perez pitch? I hope some of you guys end up eating your words about Glavine.

statjeff22

08-22-2006, 08:14 PM

Why is anybody eager to see Perez pitch? I hope some of you guys end up eating your words about Glavine.

I am eager to see him pitch because the possibility of a tough lefty that could be used in the postseason would be great.

Didn't say anything about Glavine other than that I'm glad to hear he's okay, so your second sentence doesn't apply to me.

FirstTimeCaller

08-22-2006, 08:28 PM

I am eager to see him pitch because the possibility of a tough lefty that could be used in the postseason would be great.

Fair point, I just don't but into the "tough lefty" tag for Perez.

Didn't say anything about Glavine other than that I'm glad to hear he's okay, so your second sentence doesn't apply to me

Agreed.