Yankees @ Red Sox Series Thread

[devilonthetownhallroof]

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HUGE series here. Only 1.5 games between them, First place could change by tonight. The Sox are going to need a huge game out of Lester tonight because the bullpen is going to be drained after this one. Either that or Francona just leaves Johnson to give up 37 runs in 8 innings.

[Penny2Moss]

Lets go Yankees!

[AlioTheFool]

This is going to be the best series between our teams since the series you guys won to go on to the Series. Extremely important for both of us, since it is looking more and more like whoever doesn't win our division is going to watch October games on t.v.

I don't even know who Johnson is. I just hope that Wang bounces back for us after his last start. It's going to be very interesting.

I'd say good luck, but I wouldn't mean it. :wink: Seriously though, I hope we both give it everything we both have, and leave it all on the field this weekend.

[ShadeTree#55]

Go Sox.......

[Learn To Swim]

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Posada looks like an organ grinder.

[MSUJet85]

The hour preview by ESPN is overdoing it big time

[devilonthetownhallroof]

My god does Johnson suck.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Go Sox.......
Pathetic. Just really sad.

[typeOnegative13NY]

My god does Johnson suck.yeah,well,so does our Johnson. And so does Arod.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Well, one run and 194 pitches later the inning is over.

[Learn To Swim]

yeah,well,so does our Johnson. And so does Arod.Lollerz a-rod is teh suxx

[Dierking]

My god does Johnson suck.

My wang is bigger than your johnson.

[Denny]

Chien in trouble. 2 out bases loaded bottom 3rd.

[Denny]

Got a blooper, nice.

[Denny]

Boston was due. They're smakin it around.

[DROB63Cmart28]

We gotta get some runs especially with a bum like Jason Johnson on the mound.

[Denny]

1-1 going to top of 5th.

[Denny]

I agree......

[Denny]

Johnson making Johnson look good.

[Denny]

1 on one out. Come on Damon.

[DROB63Cmart28]

HERES JOHNNY 2 RUN HOMER Yanks take the lead 3-1.

[Denny]

Yeah baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 run HR!!!!!!!!!!!

[Denny]

That must feel good in the old home town.

[Denny]

Alright Jeter getting on through the SS.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Nice were getting to the bullpen early thats what we need to do.

[Denny]

Next visit should be bullpen.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Its looks like Fatigue got to Johnson.

[Denny]

Nice Abreiu.(spelling) Single, push Jeter to 3rd.

[Learn To Swim]

It looks like the fact that Jason Johnson sucks got to Johnson.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yea but for Jason Johnson himself and as bad as hes been thats not a bad start for him.

[Denny]

Johnson faded quick.

[Denny]

Giambi through the right side. Score another.

[Denny]

Arod getting ahead.

[Denny]

We gotta get some runs especially with a bum like Jason Johnson on the mound.

Nice call.

[Denny]

Keeping Papi in check.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

This game was pretty much conceeded when Francona wrote the name Johnson in the pitcher's spot. I just hope he realizes that and doesn't expend too much bullpen in this lost cause of a game.

[Denny]

Freakin Manny. HR

[typeOnegative13NY]

shoulda been strike 3 on sideshow ridiculous looking manny. But the ump gave him a free one.

[Denny]

Nice grab Arod.

[Denny]

shoulda been strike 3 on sideshow ridiculous looking manny. But the ump gave him a free one.

That was ridiculosly close.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Hinske has looked pretty good so far. I wish I knew what the Sox gave up for him though. I hate that PTBNL crap.

[DROB63Cmart28]

This ump is terrible.

[Denny]

Bullpen warming up.

[DROB63Cmart28]

This is bullshit.

[Denny]

Wow, lucky no runs scored.

[Denny]

In trouble again. 1 out with 2nd and third bottom 6th.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Shit son of bitch.

[Denny]

Damon saved another run from scoring there

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yes and Wang gets out of it. Looks like his day might be done.

[Denny]

Phew. Boston is heating up. Should be a new pitcher out there next inning.

[DROB63Cmart28]

We really need more runs.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yes Single for Abreu Giambi has to come through here.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Hell yea another run Giambi with the RBI single now a 5-3 lead.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Nice ARod.

[Denny]

Dammit I had to abort. I missed all that. My boss came over. LOL

[Dierking]

Now that the good guys are up by five, what are the chances Proctor, Farnsworth and Rivera will get the rest of the afternoon off?

[DROB63Cmart28]

damn how the hell did manny make that play he never does that.

[Denny]

I could pitch a few.:grin:

[Denny]

Great inning but I've seen these guys bounce back from this before. Good top three coming up.

[Denny]

Doubles come in triples for these guys. sheesh

[DROB63Cmart28]

damn it I wanted him to try to go one more inning.

[Denny]

After last inning he was about to get really touched up.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yes thats the way to get it done myers nice job gettin ortiz.

[Denny]

Papi is probably waiting till they get closer so he can hit a walk off.

[Denny]

First pitch.

[Denny]

Tricky. Nice catch.

[Denny]

What a difference from yesterday.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Damn I still wanted more runs.

[Denny]

Arod should've took off quicker than that.

[Denny]

Hinske has looked pretty good so far. I wish I knew what the Sox gave up for him though. I hate that PTBNL crap.

He can hit but the catching is, well, that was a tough drop.

[Denny]

2 out bases loaded, Giambi up. Let's put a exclamation on this one.

[Denny]

2.5 games up
Go Yanks

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yankees Win Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[illmatic]

Yankees Win Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

don't you love hearing that...

[typeOnegative13NY]

Hinske looks like a mutant child of first cousin parents. Now lets win Game 2 so we can be assured to leave Beantown still ahead no matter what.

[DROB63Cmart28]

don't you love hearing that...

lol yea and all of Sterlings home runs calls.

[kinghenry89]

don't you love hearing that...
Stirling makes me want to vomit in rage.

I'm totally digging the Giambi/Damon mustaches btw

[MisterMoss]

Let's make this the Game thread for the entire series

[DROB63Cmart28]

Bases loaded for Fasano. We gotta do some damage here.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yes Damon singles Yanks take a 3-1 lead following Cabreras single.

[AMJets]

Some girl in the stands got owned.

[AMJets]

Big hit by Abreu.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Damn it tied 5-5.

[AMJets]

20th HR of the year for Damon. Never thought he'd hit that many, and we still have a month and a half left.

[jonnyd]

this fat bastard ponson has made about 25 million dollars in his baseball career.....only in baseball can you be a fat disgrace and become a multi millionaire.....go to baseball reference.com and you can type in any player and see what theyve made in their career...john flaherty made like 18 million. unreal.

[Learn To Swim]

Ortiz beats it out with his blazing speed.

[Boss Revis]

This will be a 15-14 final.

[illmatic]

arrgg... for all the press Offense gets I'd still prefer a pitchers duel...considering the cirmcumstances Villone did a pretty good job

[AMJets]

Ponson needs to be DFA'd immediately after this game. He is useless.

[AMJets]

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Villone's arm fell off right now. Thanks, Clueless Joe.

[dwalsh]

I wish he would just use Brian Bruney instead... Villone, Proctor, and Farnsworth all need about a week off

[DROB63Cmart28]

Fuckin bullshit we better pick this shit up.

[AMJets]

Billy is pissed.

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Win it for Billy!

[kinghenry89]

There's a really good reason why Sidney Ponson has worn out his welcome at every one of his big league stops thus far in his career.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Bases clearing double for Jeter!

[kinghenry89]

FIST PUMP!!!

[TITANS63]

Jeter MVP enough said.

[TITANS63]

put a fork in Boston start the count again 2005....................................

[kinghenry89]

A-Rod RBI double
Cano 2 run single

Yankees 14 Red Sox 10

[LolTolhurst]

wow, this game is the shit!

[LolTolhurst]

...and it's only in the 7th!

[kinghenry89]

Now Farnsworth is injured after getting drilled by a line drive. Torre is forced to use Proctor again. Expect 10Pen10 and Aliothefool to be angry.

[vinsjets]

20 sumthin minutes from longest 9 inning game.....i cant stay awake much longer yeasssh

[typeOnegative13NY]

Wow.most likely gonna be the longest 9 inning game ever played. And on the day of a double header.

[vinsjets]

Its a good thing these guys get a break after saturdays game, since its a day game and sunday is nite...but this series has to take some toll on them.

[Jonathan_Vilma]

I said using Farnsworth was a bad idea. If Youkilis hits a two run dinger, then its 14-12 and you bring in Farnsworth after that. You don't bring him in after Myers throws to three batters, and gets two of them out. Does he realize how much he has to stretch this team out over the course of this weekend?

It's all worked out, thankfully. But I didn't like the Farnsworth move at ALL. Especially considering Youkilis and Mo Pena are both dead high fastball hitters.

[typeOnegative13NY]

This day was for Shade.

[GreenMachine]

This day was for Shade.
classic...........

[kinghenry89]

Yankees win. Sweet dreams to all, we can finally rest.

What a day of baseball. We took the day, now let's sweep the series!

[DROB63Cmart28]

like i said before YANKEES WIN THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES WINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jonathan_Vilma]

Looking at who probably can't pitch tomorrow..
- Proctor
- Bruney
- Farnsworth
- Villone

That leaves us with
- Dotel
- Rivera
- Myers
- Beam (if they didn't send him down already)

The only thing that would make tomorrow's pitching situation scarier is if Wright was starting.

[CP to LC =TD]

games like this, moments like this are what make Derek Jeter special

[MisterMoss]

Send down Nick Green and bring up Veres again. We need an arm.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Looking at who probably can't pitch tomorrow..
- Proctor
- Bruney
- Farnsworth
- Villone

That leaves us with
- Dotel
- Rivera
- Myers
- Beam (if they didn't send him down already)

The only thing that would make tomorrow's pitching situation scarier is if Wright was starting.
We need innings from our Sp tomorrow. But even with our depleted bullpen,it's still better than theirs.

[typeOnegative13NY]

games like this, moments like this are what make Derek Jeter special
............MVP:beer:

[Jonathan_Vilma]

Send down Nick Green and bring up Veres again. We need an arm.
Gonna be awfully hard to pull the guy out of bed and tell him to be ready for a 1:00 game in 12 hours. Where is he right now? Columbus? And where are they playing?

[MisterMoss]

Gonna be awfully hard to pull the guy out of bed and tell him to be ready for a 1:00 game in 12 hours. Where is he right now? Columbus? And where are they playing?
Yeah, you're right. Someone tell Cashman that I'm ready to pitch tomorrow's game. :)

[Jonathan_Vilma]

We need innings from our Sp tomorrow. But even with our depleted bullpen,it's still better than theirs.
Just because we need innings, doesn't mean we'll get them. You have to remember that Papelbon can most likely go two innings or more as well, being a converted starter. They still have Seanez, Hansen, Declarmen, Breslow and Papelbon left. While they're not all that good, they're still arms that can give them some innings if Beckett sinks (or is it Schilling tomorrow?).

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Big win tonight for the boys...alot of clutch hits to go around. Ya can't say enough about what Abreu has done for this line up. He simply finds a way to get on base and it is leading to some big innings.

[AlioTheFool]

Now Farnsworth is injured after getting drilled by a line drive. Torre is forced to use Proctor again. Expect 10Pen10 and Aliothefool to be angry.

Good call. Yeah, I was pissed off. I still don't understand why Torre can't let Myers go for a while. Especially on a day like today where you have had to go to the pen so often to begin with, you let the guys pitch who are already in until they get into real trouble.

On the other hand, I do understand too. For once, I couldn't blame Torre for the decision. You have the chance to shut the door on the series right from the start. No matter what, taking the night game assures you of leaving town in first, regardless of the rest of the series. Plus, you have already significantly weakened a battered bullpen for the Sox. You have the chance to go for the neck, and you cut deep.

We got lucky tonight. Ponson is absolute garbage. The only good thing is that he helped save the real rotation today. It looks like we got super lucky with Farnsworth, and it was just a bruise. That's big. I had to swallow back my heart when that ball hit him. He looked fine while finishing off the play, but then by the time everyone met him at the mound, you could tell he was hurt. Seeing him being carried down the steps by Myers just made me hang my head.

All in all, it was some day. I know Sox fans are probably pissed off right now, but I have to give it to them. After the first game, I didn't think they would even come out competitively in the night game. They brought it though. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, both teams should bring it all, and leave it all on the field. I think both teams did that tonight. All in a record setting timeframe too! Funny how this rivalry took the spot from that West Coast rivalry. It's fitting IMO. This is probably the greatest rivalry in sports.

Well, sorry I wasn't around all thread long guys. I was just enjoying the games today. I think I just made up for it. If you managed to read this far, thanks. If not, you aren't seeing this anyway.

I can't wait to see how tired these guys are tomorrow. It's going to be a tough one tomorrow. What's the forecast for Saturday in Boston? I really hope it's not too hot. Neither team can afford for a long drawn out game after today.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

This was probably the single worst baseball game I've ever seen. It was played so horribly by both teams. Garbage.

I predict that Josh Beckett will set the record for home runs allowed in a game tomorrow as Francona leaves him in to get pounded and save the bullpen.

[DROB63Cmart28]

This was probably the single worst baseball game I've ever seen. It was played so horribly by both teams. Garbage.

I predict that Josh Beckett will set the record for home runs allowed in a game tomorrow as Francona leaves him in to get pounded and save the bullpen.

I dont see how the Yankees played bad besides Sidney Ponson. But I understand your frusteration.

[Boss Revis]

a big WTF is:

Why was the dh today?

Why not make it on SAT so they can rest until Sunday night for the next game.

[DROB63Cmart28]

a big WTF is:

Why was the dh today?

Why not make it on SAT so they can rest until Sunday night for the next game.

Good point.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

I dont see how the Yankees played bad besides Sidney Ponson. But I understand your frusteration.

Villone was almost as bad as Ponson was. i know he's pretty fatigued from pitching alot of games..but he was downright pathetic. Also A rod and Wilson had 2 bad errors that we were lucky enough to overcome. We had our share of lousy performances pitching wise and defensively. Timely hitting is what saved the Yanks

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Pitching was terrible on both sides for the most part, and the Yankees played some pretty bad defense. Anytime you give up 11 runs you did not play a good game, win or not.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Villone was almost as bad as Ponson was. i know he's pretty fatigued from pitching alot of games..but he was downright pathetic. Also A rod and Wilson had 2 bad errors that we were lucky enough to overcome. We had our share of lousy performances pitching wise and defensively. Timely hitting is what saved the Yanks

Villone gets a free pass because he was way overused. I dont get how we could get lucky to overcome those errors. Its called we shook it off an moved on.

[AlioTheFool]

Devil is actually kinda right. It was a poor performance defensively by both teams. Whether it was the pitching, or the fielding, there was sorely lacking defense for both teams.

The offense on both sides was what made these games. It does help when you have two of the best teams in the league, who know each other very well.

I have to say though, I wasn't aware the Sox lineup was as good as it is. I don't follow them except for the standings, but there is quite a bit of talent there. I had thought the Sox were hanging tough thanks to pitching this year. Guess I was wrong. They are in the same boat as us.

It's going to be one helluva September this year for this rivalry. For the first time in a long time, one of us will probably be sitting home watching the playoffs. It's actually cool in a way. Brings back memories of days gone by where we would fight it out to the last game to see who had the right to play more than the 162 scheduled.

[Denny]

The next three games is where both managers are focusing on.

These last two were almost apick em.

Torre had the edge with Chieng. Yanks have the edge in pitching.

BoSox have a chance to even things out here but bullpens say otherwise.

[AMJets]

Now Farnsworth is injured after getting drilled by a line drive. Torre is forced to use Proctor again. Expect 10Pen10 and Aliothefool to be angry.

The fact that he has used Proctor so much before tonight is the reason people should be angry. Then again, it's hard to get angry at Torre these days, you kind of have to just accept the fact that he is like a retarded child when it comes to bullpen management. And it's hard to make fun of a retard.

[AMJets]

Pitching was terrible on both sides for the most part, and the Yankees played some pretty bad defense. Anytime you give up 11 runs you did not play a good game, win or not.

There was some defensive slopiness, but it was a DH, so they get a break. As far as pitching goes, both starters were awful. The difference is, the guy who was awful for Boston is someone who they will rely on heavily down the stretch. The guy who was awful for the Yankees will probably never start a game for them again, and might be off the team before the weekend is over. Even if Boston won, they should've been more worried than the Yankees. The fact that they lost just makes it even worse.

[AlioTheFool]

There was some defensive slopiness, but it was a DH, so they get a break. As far as pitching goes, both starters were awful. The difference is, the guy who was awful for Boston is someone who they will rely on heavily down the stretch. The guy who was awful for the Yankees will probably never start a game for them again, and might be off the team before the weekend is over. Even if Boston won, they should've been more worried than the Yankees. The fact that they lost just makes it even worse.

I want Ponson gone. Don't we have anyone in the system that can take a bullpen spot, and dump him right now? I know our minors are depleted, but I can't deal with watching Ponson screw us down the stretch.

As far as Proctor pitching last night, Torre actually has to get somewhat of a pass for that one. What choice did he have? Farnsworth got hit with a comebacker. That was unforeseeable. It's all the pitching he and Vallone have done to this point that is a problem. I know Dotel is just off the neverending DL, but we need him to be able to pitch more.

I don't know what the answers are at this point. We need our starters to go 6 or better every start, and we just haven't been getting a lot of quality innings from the rotation. That leads to the pen getting overused. I think we have a nice stable of relief right now. If every one of them wasn't being used eveery single day, then I think we would be in much better shape.

[AlioTheFool]

And game 3 is under way!

[AlioTheFool]

Sweet hit Johnny!

[AlioTheFool]

Wow, we actually bunted?

[AlioTheFool]

Come on A-ROD!!!

[AlioTheFool]

I know people are going to shit on A-Rod for the DP, but that first called strike was total bullshit. That count should have been 3-0. It forced him to swing at a pitch he would have taken had the count been 3-0.

I understand when umps try to help out pitchers to get them back on track early, but that was just a total load of shit. That pitch was clearly outside.

[CP to LC =TD]

What a surprise. He kills rallies for fun

[MisterMoss]

I refuse to watch another Arod at bat this season. I'm done with him.

[AlioTheFool]

Read my post above.

[CP to LC =TD]

I refuse to watch another Arod at bat this season. I'm done with him.

Exactly, when we all know the ultimate result

When were up or down by 5-6 runs hell do something good

In a tight game dont expect anything froom him

[MisterMoss]

I know people are going to shit on A-Rod for the DP, but that first called strike was total bullshit. That count should have been 3-0. It forced him to swing at a pitch he would have taken had the count been 3-0.

I understand when umps try to help out pitchers to get them back on track early, but that was just a total load of shit. That pitch was clearly outside.
That's not even an issue. Beckett had thrown like 20 pitches and thrown about 6 strikes and 14 balls. He should be looking for a pitch to hit, not wildly swinging in the strike zone.

[AlioTheFool]

Does anyone actually pay attention to at-bats? Or is everyone just waiting for the next A-Rod "mistake?"

BTW: NICE play Melky. Matsui who?

[Learn To Swim]

Nice catch by Cabrera

[CP to LC =TD]

Does anyone actually pay attention to at-bats? Or is everyone just waiting for the next A-Rod "mistake?"

BTW: NICE play Melky. Matsui who?

Yes and we pay attention to him fail and kill rallies on a ever too consistent basis

[MisterMoss]

Exactly, when we all know the ultimate result

When were up or down by 5-6 runs hell do something good

In a tight game dont expect anything froom him
I was at the Yankees Angels game on Sunday. In the 8th inning, i realized that if the Yankees continued to go down in order, Arod would make the last out. I was almost salivating at the opportunity to witness him strike out to end the game. Sure enough, Arod is the last batter of the game, and he does the second most predictable thing he does; hit a homer in a game in which victory is less than 0.5%. In hindsight, I should've seen THAT coming.

[AlioTheFool]

That's not even an issue. Beckett had thrown like 20 pitches and thrown about 6 strikes and 14 balls. He should be looking for a pitch to hit, not wildly swinging in the strike zone.

2-1 is a vastly different count than 3-0. On 3-0, it's almost a guarantee the hitter takes the pitch. That pitch was high and tight, no way A-Rod does anything with that. That pitch was destined to be a grounder.

[MisterMoss]

Does anyone actually pay attention to at-bats? Or is everyone just waiting for the next A-Rod "mistake?"

BTW: NICE play Melky. Matsui who?
I mean, I root for him to get a hit every single time he's up, but I can't say that I'm surprised or even upset when he hits into a DP with the bases loaded; because I expect it. How sad is that?!?!?!

[devilonthetownhallroof]

I know people are going to shit on A-Rod for the DP, but that first called strike was total bullshit. That count should have been 3-0. It forced him to swing at a pitch he would have taken had the count been 3-0.

I understand when umps try to help out pitchers to get them back on track early, but that was just a total load of shit. That pitch was clearly outside.

That doesn't really make a difference. When a pitcher is struggling to find the strike zone like Beckett was, you take on 2-0, and then 2-1 you either take again or look for ONE pitch to hit, usually right down the middle. If you don't get it, you don't swing. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said he needs to do a better job waiting for the pitcher to make a mistake. He helped Beckett TREMENDOUSLY because of a very, VERY poor approach that at bat.

[MisterMoss]

2-1 is a vastly different count than 3-0. On 3-0, it's almost a guarantee the hitter takes the pitch. That pitch was high and tight, no way A-Rod does anything with that. That pitch was destined to be a grounder.
I understand your point, but to me, it still doesn't give him an excuse for grounding into the easiest double play in major league history. He continues to guess at pitches, and commit to them too early. He should be thankful he was ahead in the count to begin with, because every time i look up, he's behind 1-2 and swinging at the first 2 pitches.

[AlioTheFool]

I was at the Yankees Angels game on Sunday. In the 8th inning, i realized that if the Yankees continued to go down in order, Arod would make the last out. I was almost salivating at the opportunity to witness him strike out to end the game. Sure enough, Arod is the last batter of the game, and he does the second most predictable thing he does; hit a homer in a game in which victory is less than 0.5%. In hindsight, I should've seen THAT coming.

And let's just forget that Giambi came up next and did the same thing, right?

Come on. If people want to dog his fielding that's one thing. He has been playing a bad third base, and I realize why. He is playing too far in, and he lets too many balls go to his side, rather than play them straight up.

Now if A-Rod had struck out, everyone would have shit on him for that. But he hits a homer to keep the game alive, and he still gets shit on. Seems to me, at this point, nothing he does will be good enough anymore. People who are on his side like me will see what he does and give credit where due. People who have decided to be anti-A-Rod will continue to nitpick every single thing he does.

[CP to LC =TD]

I was at the Yankees Angels game on Sunday. In the 8th inning, i realized that if the Yankees continued to go down in order, Arod would make the last out. I was almost salivating at the opportunity to witness him strike out to end the game. Sure enough, Arod is the last batter of the game, and he does the second most predictable thing he does; hit a homer in a game in which victory is less than 0.5%. In hindsight, I should've seen THAT coming.

LMAO he did it two games that series, the other game was the Friday game

[CP to LC =TD]

Bern Baby Bern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[devilonthetownhallroof]

And there is home run number 1 of 58 that Beckett will allow today.

[CP to LC =TD]

And let's just forget that Giambi came up next and did the same thing, right?

Come on. If people want to dog his fielding that's one thing. He has been playing a bad third base, and I realize why. He is playing too far in, and he lets too many balls go to his side, rather than play them straight up.

Now if A-Rod had struck out, everyone would have shit on him for that. But he hits a homer to keep the game alive, and he still gets shit on. Seems to me, at this point, nothing he does will be good enough anymore. People who are on his side like me will see what he does and give credit where due. People who have decided to be anti-A-Rod will continue to nitpick every single thing he does.

But if the score was 2-1 he would never hit a HR, but yet the chances of winning are NIL, and he comes up and pads stats. Nitpick??? Come through in the CLUTCH FOR ONCE, and everyone will calm down

[AlioTheFool]

That doesn't really make a difference. When a pitcher is struggling to find the strike zone like Beckett was, you take on 2-0, and then 2-1 you either take again or look for ONE pitch to hit, usually right down the middle. If you don't get it, you don't swing. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said he needs to do a better job waiting for the pitcher to make a mistake. He helped Beckett TREMENDOUSLY because of a very, VERY poor approach that at bat.

If the count was 3-1, I would agree with you. However, it was 2-1. It should have been 3-0. Those are vastly different counts. When it's 2-1, you are in hitting mode. You swing at pitches you feel could be strike calls. That's baseball. In a 3-0 count, or even a 3-1 as you said, the hitter holds the cards. You make the pitcher earn strike 2 and deal with the 3-2 strike you know is coming.

[CP to LC =TD]

And there is home run number 1 of 58 that Beckett will allow today.

What happened to Beckett??? he doesnt look the same

[MisterMoss]

And let's just forget that Giambi came up next and did the same thing, right?

Come on. If people want to dog his fielding that's one thing. He has been playing a bad third base, and I realize why. He is playing too far in, and he lets too many balls go to his side, rather than play them straight up.

Now if A-Rod had struck out, everyone would have shit on him for that. But he hits a homer to keep the game alive, and he still gets shit on. Seems to me, at this point, nothing he does will be good enough anymore. People who are on his side like me will see what he does and give credit where due. People who have decided to be anti-A-Rod will continue to nitpick every single thing he does.
Giambi did the same thing, i know, but he's done plenty in the past to prove to me that I could have confidence in him. On the other hand, Arod has done nothing to earn that.

Your second point about Arod, sadly, it has come to that. He was put in a lose/lose situation, but that is only because he has given the fans a double edged sword to chop off his own head. The fans see him striking out in big spots and hitting "meaningless" home runs, so he's giving us that opportunity. I'm not saying that hitting a homer in a 5-1 game is a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's sick that the successful at bats are more common when the game is out of reach than when it is when the tying runs are base in a big spot. The difference is staggering.

[CP to LC =TD]

Damn Johnny!!!. Get Em!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlioTheFool]

But if the score was 2-1 he would never hit a HR, but yet the chances of winning are NIL, and he comes up and pads stats. Nitpick??? Come through in the CLUTCH FOR ONCE, and everyone will calm down

That homer, followed by Giambi's kept the game alive. Had Jeter and Abreu been on base, like they both should have, that homer would have been huge. You can't say he wouldn't have hit it either, since there is no proof one way or another.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

When a pitcher is wild that changes though. You look for a specific pitch on 2-1 when the pitcher is all over the place.

[CP to LC =TD]

That homer, followed by Giambi's kept the game alive. Had Jeter and Abreu been on base, like they both should have, that homer would have been huge. You can't say he wouldn't have hit it either, since there is no proof one way or another.

His body of work as a Yankee is enough proof for me

[MisterMoss]

That homer, followed by Giambi's kept the game alive. Had Jeter and Abreu been on base, like they both should have, that homer would have been huge. You can't say he wouldn't have hit it either, since there is no proof one way or another.
There certainly is no proof, but when history repeats itself at a 95% success rate, fans can make pretty safe bets.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Sigh, why is this game on Fox? I miss Jerry Remy. :(

[Learn To Swim]

His body of work as a Yankee is enough proof for meTranslated -> I am stubborn and ignorant.

[AlioTheFool]

Giambi did the same thing, i know, but he's done plenty in the past to prove to me that I could have confidence in him. On the other hand, Arod has done nothing to earn that.

Your second point about Arod, sadly, it has come to that. He was put in a lose/lose situation, but that is only because he has given the fans a double edged sword to chop off his own head. The fans see him striking out in big spots and hitting "meaningless" home runs, so he's giving us that opportunity. I'm not saying that hitting a homer in a 5-1 game is a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's sick that the successful at bats are more common when the game is out of reach than when it is when the tying runs are base in a big spot. The difference is staggering.

Of course. Don't think I watch Ortiz do it all the time and not think, "Damn, I wish A-Rod would do that" but he doesn't. However, it's not all about A-Rod, and it almost seems like he gets almost all the blame for the problems with the Yankees.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

That shot of Beckett as they went to commercial said it all. Just throwing his arms up as if he gave up. He needs to get his head on straight and soon. He makes me sick sometimes.

[AlioTheFool]

Okay guys, I would love to sit and argue all day about the success of A-Rod, but my wife is telling me we need to get out of the house. Unfortunately, now I have to deal with Sterling. I'll be back later to chat about things. Talk to you later!

[CP to LC =TD]

Translated -> I am stubborn and ignorant.

How am I stubborn and ignorant. I guess mistermoss is as well because he basically said the same thing at the top of the page. He has done nothing to show anyone that if it was a big spot that he wouldve dpne anything

[MisterMoss]

Of course. Don't think I watch Ortiz do it all the time and not think, "Damn, I wish A-Rod would do that" but he doesn't. However, it's not all about A-Rod, and it almost seems like he gets almost all the blame for the problems with the Yankees.
It's not all about Arod, but it's been more about him than most other players on the team this year. In addition to him playing small in a big spot, he's having one of the worst seasons as far as "situational hitting" this season that I've ever witnessed, and I'm confident that I could do a better job on defense. Plus, he continues to want to live a very public life, draws attention to himself with his actions, so he can't have it both ways.

[MisterMoss]

Okay guys, I would love to sit and argue all day about the success of A-Rod, but my wife is telling me we need to get out of the house. Unfortunately, now I have to deal with Sterling. I'll be back later to chat about things. Talk to you later!
Hey, I love John Sterling. If you just concede that you can't take him seriously, he's a joy to listen too. :grin:

[Learn To Swim]

How am I stubborn and ignorant. I guess mistermoss is as well because he basically said the same thing at the top of the page. He has done nothing to show anyone that if it was a big spot that he wouldve dpne anythingHis .302/.488/.508 line in 63 AB with 2 out/RISP shows me he can hit when his team needs him to.

[CP to LC =TD]

His .302/.488/.508 line in 63 AB with 2 out/RISP shows me he can hit when his team needs him to.

LOL okay youre right. I wonder how those numbers are from the 7th inning on in close games

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Manny takes Johnson deep, 3-3.

[The Future]

Good fucking job Randy.

I can't believe that shit....

[The Future]

Jesus Randy!

[devilonthetownhallroof]

All hell has broken loose... Wily Mo singles to drive in the go ahead run.

[kinghenry89]

Randy Johnson needs to get a career ending injury, and fast.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Tied again... this is an awful series pitching wise.

[kinghenry89]

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Come on A Rod!!!!!!!

[Learn To Swim]

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[3rdAnd15Draw]

looks like the sox/yanks have another game that's a blight on sport of baseball going on. am i reading beckett's line correct? 9 walks and 7 hits in 5 2/3 IP?

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Yeah, it's garbage. I am so disgusted with him right now. All the fucking talent int he world and he's trash.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

boston might as well put the tarp on the field and cancel the rest of the season

[devilonthetownhallroof]

I'd be thrilled. GO YANKEES!!!!

[TITANS63]

2005 (1918)...................let The Count Begin The Luck Is Over!!!!!!!!

[devilonthetownhallroof]

2005 (1918)...................let The Count Begin The Luck Is Over!!!!!!!!

My god you're an idiot.

[kinghenry89]

I defend the decision to use Proctor last night after Farnsworth got injured. But now it looks like Torre plans to bring in Proctor to pitch the 8th inning in a 5 run game. Why? Why would he do this?

Pitch Beam in the 8th and just let him go. If the tying run gets in scoring position, bring in Rivera. It's as simple as that.

[MisterMoss]

Cano and Cabrera are my favorite Yankees

[kinghenry89]

Cano and Cabrera are my favorite Yankees
Cano is just an unbelievable hitter. No other way to slice it--I'd argue he's the best second baseman in the game right now, and this is his second season in the big leagues.

Hopefully 8 runs is a large enough cushion to protect Torre from himself and keep Proctor out of the game.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

Cano is just an unbelievable hitter. No other way to slice it--I'd argue he's the best second baseman in the game right now, and this is his second season in the big leagues.

Hopefully 8 runs is a large enough cushion to protect Torre from himself and keep Proctor out of the game.

Chase Utley?

[Learn To Swim]

Chase Utley?Neither one of them can reach the glory that is Jose Valentin.

[kinghenry89]

Chase Utley?
Utley is the only guy who I'd consider aside from Cano. And the gap is small enough that I'll rest on homerism and take Robby.

[Learn To Swim]

Utley is the only guy who I'd consider aside from Cano. And the gap is small enough that I'll rest on homerism and take Robby.I wouldn't go that far. Utley is a more patient hitter and has a lot more power.

EDIT: Oh, and Dan Uggla is a beast.

[MisterMoss]

Uggla is an awesome young player. I'm interested to see what he becomes.

[MisterMoss]

One more thing on Cano. His defense is pretty good. His range isn't that great, but it's fine, and he has a great arm at second base.

[3rdAnd15Draw]

renfield closes the door on the sox

[Learn To Swim]

Ah fuck, the damn cheating Georgian assholes just beat the S.I. team in the LLWS.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

How did they cheat?

[MelYeah]

Go Yankees!!

[jonnyd]

It is a great day to be a big fat arrogant yankee fan! and thats just what I am....it was a fun season red sox fans...see ya next year

[DROB63Cmart28]

It is a great day to be a big fat arrogant yankee fan! and thats just what I am....it was a fun season red sox fans...see ya next year

damn right.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Yeah, it's garbage. I am so disgusted with him right now. All the fucking talent int he world and he's trash.

I thought you were a sox fan? Whats with the avatar?

[MisterMoss]

This year is going well, but I'm confused about next year. There needs to be some trade. Melky HAS to have a full time spot on this team. It's not fair to him, the Yankees, the fans if he doesn't. Matsui will be back. He won't go anywhere. PR nightmare. He's a defensive liability (at least when compared to Melky). Damon and Abreu are here to stay. Sheffield has no place on this team, and I don't even want him at this point. He'd make things more complicated.

The only solution I have, and it's not perfect, involves Giambi being the first time first baseman, Matsui getting most of his time at DH (backup CF), Abreu in right (he is perfect for this team). With the way things stand now, that's what I see.

[kinghenry89]

This year is going well, but I'm confused about next year. There needs to be some trade. Melky HAS to have a full time spot on this team. It's not fair to him, the Yankees, the fans if he doesn't. Matsui will be back. He won't go anywhere. PR nightmare. He's a defensive liability (at least when compared to Melky). Damon and Abreu are here to stay. Sheffield has no place on this team, and I don't even want him at this point. He'd make things more complicated.

The only solution I have, and it's not perfect, involves Giambi being the first time first baseman, Matsui getting most of his time at DH (backup CF), Abreu in right (he is perfect for this team). With the way things stand now, that's what I see.
It would piss me off, but Cabrera is the Yankees most valuable trading chip by far. They could really upgrade the starting rotation with him.

[ButtleMan]

Another mediocre perfomance from RJ but he gutted out 7 innings which was well needed and got the win. If I was a pitcher, I wouldnt be too happy about that pitching line.
Luckily Joe resisted the urge to put Proctor in.

Sports web sites are already calling this Boston Massacre part deaux. I dont think that it is at that point yet but if they can beat Schilling and then they get Wells, it is a strong possibility.

As for Melky, I really want him on the team next year. He has earned his spot but like KH said he can bring back plenty in a trade.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Hell no we dont trade Melky hes young and is gonna be a very good player. If anything we should sign and trade Sheffield.

[kinghenry89]

Hell no we dont trade Melky hes young and is gonna be a very good player. If anything we should sign and trade Sheffield.
That won't solve the problem of having Damon, Matsui, Abreu and Cabrera next season. Unless one of them can learn to play 1st base we are gonna have a serious glut.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

I thought you were a sox fan? Whats with the avatar?

I'm having a bit of a mental breakdown baseball-wise right now.

[Learn To Swim]

I'm having a bit of a mental breakdown baseball-wise right now.
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[AlioTheFool]

Well guys, I'm back. I wound up missing a lot of the game as we were out back-to-school shopping for the kids. I'm very happy though with the way things turned out. Devil, don't give up hope man. Yeah, things look a little bad right now for you guys, but there is no reason why you can't still hope for that wild card. It's not going to be easy, but keep the faith. Jeez, if anyone has learned faith over the years, it's a Boston fan.

As far as the Yankees, and the left field situation, sorry, I have been saying it since Melky took over the spot, he belongs here. His D is vastly better than Matsui, and his arm is so much better. I have had the same idea as MisterMoss all along. When Matsui comes back, he is the full time DH. Cabrerra in left, Damon in center, and now Abreu in right (obviously I thought Sheff would be the RF, but Abreu is one of the greatest moves in Cashman's career.) Sheff is done, sorry man, shit happens. Giambi plays first, and that's that. So we would look like this:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
ARod 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cabrerra LF

That's one helluva lineup.

So how did ARod do today? I know I caught him striking out. That did piss me off a little bit. I go and vehemently defend him, and he shits on me, LoL. Did he manage anything the rest of the day?

BTW: Sterling isn't that bad. He's just a clown. Given the choice between Sterling and Kay, I would take Sterling every time.

[jetsaholic1094]

Well guys, I'm back. I wound up missing a lot of the game as we were out back-to-school shopping for the kids. I'm very happy though with the way things turned out. Devil, don't give up hope man. Yeah, things look a little bad right now for you guys, but there is no reason why you can't still hope for that wild card. It's not going to be easy, but keep the faith. Jeez, if anyone has learned faith over the years, it's a Boston fan.

As far as the Yankees, and the left field situation, sorry, I have been saying it since Melky took over the spot, he belongs here. His D is vastly better than Matsui, and his arm is so much better. I have had the same idea as MisterMoss all along. When Matsui comes back, he is the full time DH. Cabrerra in left, Damon in center, and now Abreu in right (obviously I thought Sheff would be the RF, but Abreu is one of the greatest moves in Cashman's career.) Sheff is done, sorry man, shit happens. Giambi plays first, and that's that. So we would look like this:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
ARod 3B
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cabrerra LF

That's one helluva lineup.

So how did ARod do today? I know I caught him striking out. That did piss me off a little bit. I go and vehemently defend him, and he shits on me, LoL. Did he manage anything the rest of the day?

BTW: Sterling isn't that bad. He's just a clown. Given the choice between Sterling and Kay, I would take Sterling every time.

That's an insane lineup bordering on being just plain unfair.

ARod didn't have that great of a day both offensively and defensively. Aside from striking out, he also stranded abunch of players on base. During the first half, he grounded out into a DP while the bases were loaded, I believe.

On the positive side, he did manage to bring in two runs with a double though. Also, he ended up scoring after being walked in the 6th inning, when Boston started to completely collapse.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Actually this is my new strategy. I did the avatar thing in 2004 when the Sox were playing .500 ball for a while and they ended up winning it all. Of course, that team didn't have the injuries and pitching problems this one does.

[EcKo151]

Im stunned at how bad Beckett pitched today...9 walks!!

Coming into the series, I would of been happy with 3 of 5. But now surely that cannot go, to take 1 of the next 2 we'd all just about sign up for...

Johnny Damon has been flat out amazing this series, and a VERY good pickup this year...Playing through his injuries, putting Jeter in his coveted 2-hole and setting the tone leading off...What I like is how he and others are bringing a swagger to the clubhouse, just like what he, Millar and others did in Boston...Everything was business with the Yankees, now it seems like their more loose, and full of smiles.

All in all...A great offensive series...Tomorrow night a marquee matchup and it should be a very good game.

[GreenMachine]

Actually this is my new strategy. I did the avatar thing in 2004 when the Sox were playing .500 ball for a while and they ended up winning it all. Of course, that team didn't have the injuries and pitching problems this one does.
The Yanks have injuries too..:beer:

[devilonthetownhallroof]

None that matter on the pitching staff though. And missing Sheffield doesn't really hurt when you can go buy Abreu.

[kinghenry89]

None that matter on the pitching staff though. And missing Sheffield doesn't really hurt when you can go buy Abreu.
Not in the rotation (unless you count Randy Johnson's suckiness as an injury. And I guess you could make a case for Carl Pavano, but I don't think anybody expected a contribution from him anyway. Also Shawn Chacon was supposed to be a contributor.) But in the bullpen we had one key injury that people are going to laugh at when I name:

Tanyon Sturtze. He may not be the greatest pitcher, but realistically his injury more or less doubled Scott Proctor's innings.

BTW I really feel sorry for poor John Henry, who couldn't afford to pay Bobby Abreu if he was aquired....

[GreenMachine]

None that matter on the pitching staff though. And missing Sheffield doesn't really hurt when you can go buy Abreu.
Ummm...like the Sox could not get Abreu....:up:

They are so poor. How do they compete?

[AlioTheFool]

Sturtze was a BIG loss. People may not agree, but IMO he was a huge part of the pen. It definitely set Proctor and Vallone up for a lot of innings they shouldn't have had to pitch. Hopefully next year he will come back and be able to pitch like he did last year. That would really make our pen strong.

Sturtze, Proctor, Vallone, Dotel, Farnsworth, Mo. That could be killer.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

God I hate that. Yes, the Sox may have the second highest payroll, but it's still 100 MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YANKEES! They actually care about the luxury tax and try not to go that much over it. The Yankees just keep on spending with wild abandon. There is a HUGE difference in payroll and what the two teams can afford.

[Jonathan_Vilma]

God I hate that. Yes, the Sox may have the second highest payroll, but it's still 100 MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YANKEES! They actually care about the luxury tax and try not to go that much over it. The Yankees just keep on spending with wild abandon. There is a HUGE difference in payroll and what the two teams can afford.
Just remember that the Yankees have the highest payroll, because of all the revenue they bring in and the fans bring in. It's the biggest media market in the world outside Japan, and the prices at the stadium are obscene for a reason.

To say the Sox couldn't have gotten another player is ridiculous. Not to mention it's ridiculous that people complain about the payroll. The Yanks lost to a team with a 45 million dollar payroll in 2003, and the last time they won a World Series was 2000 obviously when they were hovering around what? 110 million. It's all about how the team is kept and managed. Not the money.

[DROB63Cmart28]

God I hate that. Yes, the Sox may have the second highest payroll, but it's still 100 MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YANKEES! They actually care about the luxury tax and try not to go that much over it. The Yankees just keep on spending with wild abandon. There is a HUGE difference in payroll and what the two teams can afford.

Im seriously tired of hearing payroll this payroll that. It has no effect on matchups. You complain about not getting Abreu meanwhile you guys went out and got Eric Hinske and Javy Lopez for nothing.

[MisterMoss]

I don't buy the Red Sox not being able to spend any more money. They have the highest ticket prices in the league, one of the top 3 largest fan bases in the nation, and are the team of a whole Northeast region.

[AMJets]

Sturtze was a BIG loss. People may not agree, but IMO he was a huge part of the pen. It definitely set Proctor and Vallone up for a lot of innings they shouldn't have had to pitch. Hopefully next year he will come back and be able to pitch like he did last year. That would really make our pen strong.

Sturtze, Proctor, Vallone, Dotel, Farnsworth, Mo. That could be killer.

People forget that, before the injury, Sturtze was awful and was on the verge of being DFA'd. He had a couple of good stretches in 2 years here, but he is a bad pitcher. If he is on this team next year, Cashman needs to be smacked (I'd suggest hit with a hammer, but he's overall a very good GM and I like him.)

[AMJets]

The Sox can't complain about payroll for a number of reasons. If they started their own RSN, or worked out a better deal with NESN, that would be an incredible amount of extra revenue. They also don't have the friendships with the Asian countries that the Yankees do. Boston should make a push for Matsuzaka this off-season. He won't bring in the revenue that Matsui brings to NYY, or Ichiro brings to SEA, but it will be another big boost to their bottom line. But he'll end up with either the Yankees or Mariners because they understand the revenue the Japanese imports bring, and have established the friendships over there.

[Jonathan_Vilma]

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't like the Wright move today. I know that he was available and all, but if we get into an extra innings game tomorrow, then it'd be much better to see him pitching in a 3-4 run ballgame to tomorrow, then an 8 run ball game today. Beam or that other mop up guy should've been in in the 8th.

I know it's nitpicking, taking three from this series so far and the way we've done it has devastating all of Boston, not just the team. I think our whole team is going to be friggain drained after this stretch though.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

Im seriously tired of hearing payroll this payroll that. It has no effect on matchups. You complain about not getting Abreu meanwhile you guys went out and got Eric Hinske and Javy Lopez for nothing.

First, I'm not complaining that the Sox didn't get Abreu, I didn't want him. They didn't need him and would have had to give up too much prospect wise to get him. What I'm saying is the Yankees were able to basically buy Abreu by taking his salary because they don't care how much they spend. And Hinske and Lopez are nowhere NEAR the caliber of Abreu. Lopez was pretty much demanding his way out of Baltimore and Toronto was sick of being disappointed by Hinske not living up to his potential. And we still don't know what they gave up to get him.

The Sox can't complain about payroll for a number of reasons. If they started their own RSN, or worked out a better deal with NESN, that would be an incredible amount of extra revenue. They also don't have the friendships with the Asian countries that the Yankees do. Boston should make a push for Matsuzaka this off-season. He won't bring in the revenue that Matsui brings to NYY, or Ichiro brings to SEA, but it will be another big boost to their bottom line. But he'll end up with either the Yankees or Mariners because they understand the revenue the Japanese imports bring, and have established the friendships over there.

The Red Sox own NESN basically. The reason the team was sold for a record amount was that included in that was a majority share of NESN. The Asian market thing is silly IMO. They already have a HUGE following in Latin America, so I don't think that's the issue. I agree though that they should go after Matsuzaka, but it has nothing to do with any reason other than he's an outstanding pitcher.

[BIG COUNTRY]

Enough with the payroll crap, play the damn game and thats all that matters.

[AMJets]

The Red Sox own NESN basically. The reason the team was sold for a record amount was that included in that was a majority share of NESN. The Asian market thing is silly IMO. They already have a HUGE following in Latin America, so I don't think that's the issue. I agree though that they should go after Matsuzaka, but it has nothing to do with any reason other than he's an outstanding pitcher.

The Latin America market argument is even sillier. Boston's following in Latin America isn't any greater than a team like the Yankees or Mets or Dodgers. There are so many Latin players in MLB, and no team is getting revenue from sponsorship and etc. from Latin America that the Yankees and Mariners get from Japan. We're talking an extra $40-$50M in total revenue due to these teams having Matsui and Ichiro, respectively. Matsui and Ichiro are unquestionably in the top 5 in MLB when it comes to the revenue their merchandise brings in. Teams pay the incredible fee just to negotiate with a posted player because they know they'll get it back quickly in revenue. Do you think if there was a league in Latin America like the league in Japan, that some MLB team would pay double digits in the millions just to TALK to a player? Absolutely not.

As far as NESN goes, all I know is in 2003 the Sox received about 15% revenue of NESN's bottom line, while the Yankees were receiving over 30% revenue of the YES bottom line. Haven't seen any updated figures since then. The Sox, if they had 100% ownership of their own RSN, would definitely pull in atleast 25% of the total value per year, which is another $20-$25M in revenue.

[The Future]

Who gives a shit about $. If the Yankees win games, then they win games. Plain and simple.

George goes out for the players that he feels can help this team get to the WS and win the whole thing. If he spends some $, who cares, he wants his team to win.

[DROB63Cmart28]

Enough with the payroll crap, play the damn game and thats all that matters.

Thank You. Thats the truth money has no effect on what players are doing on the field.

[devilonthetownhallroof]

The effect money has is that if you spend enough you can have an All Star waiting to take the place of the starting All Star who gets injured. THAT is where it gets unfair. It's like when the NCAA didn't have limits on scholarships for football and the big time programs would just go out and recruit EVERY good player they could get, and have them sit the bench, partly to keep them from other schools and partly for depth. If you can't see that spending double the money of your nearest competitor is an advantage you need to take your pinstriped glasses off.

[AlioTheFool]

I sort of agree with you Devil. The Yankees do have an unfair advantage. Yes, we can put All-Stars all over the place. It does help to have Abreu and shove Sheff out the door. Cabrerra taking over for Matsui is in the other direction though.

The thing is, it still comes down to other factors. Take for example the mess that is the ARod situation. Torre sticks with him, and doesn't give up on him. Stuff like that matters. You should be familiar with coaches being patient. There was a time when Manny wasn't wanted in Boston. Sticking with him has worked out.

How about pitching. You have Schilling, we have Randy. Advantage Sox. We have Moose, you have Beckett. Advantage Yankees, but it shouldn't be.

It's not all about money. It's making the money work for you. There's no question we have a distinct advantage over say, Kansas City. I don't think the disparity is nearly as great between the Yankees and Sox. Look at it like this, honestly, who would you rather have in your 3-4 holes? We have Abreu/ARod. You have Ortiz/Manny. As much as I like Abreu and ARod, or even if Sheff or Giambi was in the 3 spot, you have a vastly better 3-4 punch.

I think the biggest problem for you guys right now is that Varitek is out. When you need him the most, he is not there for you. Plus, we are holding Damon now. I don't know about recently, but I remember not too long ago Nixon was sufferring. (I actually don't even recall seeing him lately. What's up with him?)

When you are talking about the richest teams in the league, you really can't factor money in anymore. Team chemistry, solid play, good managerial moves, that's what matters. Right now, as much as the Sox still have some chemistry, we have one of the components playing CF for us. The biggest component of yours is out for another four weeks. Ours is getting talk of a MVP award. We got lucky with Abreu. There was talk he wouldn't fit in, but he walked into the clubhouse, made a beeline for Mattingly, and became an instant hit in the clubhouse.

The fact is, we are clicking on all cylinders right now. Unfortunately for you guys, you're starting to misfire. Let's be honest. The Red Sox, as a whole, with everyone on the club healthy and playing their best ball, have enough talent to beat the Yankees. It just isn't working out for you guys.

[TITANS63]

2005 (1918) let the count begin............................................. ...........

[PleaseWinSuperBowlJets]

Yeah! We murdered the red sux! Let's win the division.

[AlioTheFool]

People forget that, before the injury, Sturtze was awful and was on the verge of being DFA'd. He had a couple of good stretches in 2 years here, but he is a bad pitcher. If he is on this team next year, Cashman needs to be smacked (I'd suggest hit with a hammer, but he's overall a very good GM and I like him.)

Sturtze was actually dominating last year, before they moved him into the rotation in emergency-mode. I don't agree he is a bad pitcher. I think if he is in the bullpen, with Proctor, Vallone, Dotel, Farnsworth and Mo, no one would have to pitch more than 3 times a week. With all of that talent, on that much rest, we are looking at a dominating pen. The biggest factor is who we have starting. Either Johnson turns that corner, and pitches well consistently, or he needs to be shown the door. Moose has to be as good as he's been this year. Wang is young, so I have no worries there. Wright and Liddle need some consistency, or they need to go. The big question mark is Pavano. Does he return, and pitch well? If not, then he needs to be gone too.

I really want to make that push for Zito this offseason. I think he can anchor this staff for a few years.

Edit: I originally wrote rotation instead of bullpen for Sturtze, which I didn't mean.

[DROB63Cmart28]

The effect money has is that if you spend enough you can have an All Star waiting to take the place of the starting All Star who gets injured. THAT is where it gets unfair. It's like when the NCAA didn't have limits on scholarships for football and the big time programs would just go out and recruit EVERY good player they could get, and have them sit the bench, partly to keep them from other schools and partly for depth. If you can't see that spending double the money of your nearest competitor is an advantage you need to take your pinstriped glasses off.

Well like mentioned before you guys should spend more money your in a high marketing sports town.

[AMJets]

Sturtze was actually dominating last year, before they moved him into the rotation in emergency-mode. I don't agree he is a bad pitcher. I think if he is in the bullpen, with Proctor, Vallone, Dotel, Farnsworth and Mo, no one would have to pitch more than 3 times a week. With all of that talent, on that much rest, we are looking at a dominating pen. The biggest factor is who we have starting. Either Johnson turns that corner, and pitches well consistently, or he needs to be shown the door. Moose has to be as good as he's been this year. Wang is young, so I have no worries there. Wright and Liddle need some consistency, or they need to go. The big question mark is Pavano. Does he return, and pitch well? If not, then he needs to be gone too.

I really want to make that push for Zito this offseason. I think he can anchor this staff for a few years.

Edit: I originally wrote rotation instead of bullpen for Sturtze, which I didn't mean.

Sturtze was streaky before the Baltimore start. Awful in April, great in May, mediocre in June (first few appearences pitched well, then was awful, then was good again.) And then this year, even before the injury, he was another subpar performance from being DFA'd. Let's not forget that after a few solid starts when first acquired in 2004, he was awful. Tanyon Sturtze was awful before he became a Yankee, was up and down while here, and hopefully we will just be rid of him and he can continue his awful career elsewhere.

I'd rather they not go after Zito, unless he comes at a ridiculously low price, which he won't. Luckily, with Cashman in charge, he'll see this year as the year to put the finishing touches on the reconstruction of the farm system. We have an incredible number of Type A and B free agents (Sheffield, Mussina, Wilson, Lidle, Villone, maybe even Bernie), a few of which will be offered arbitration, decline, and go elsewhere, and net us top 40 draft picks. We could be looking at 3-5 top 40 picks in the upcoming draft, and I don't want to give ours away AND overpay for Zito. Rather they go after Matsuzaka, who will likely overall cost equal money but won't cost draft picks.

[kinghenry89]

Sturtze was actually dominating last year, before they moved him into the rotation in emergency-mode. I don't agree he is a bad pitcher. I think if he is in the bullpen, with Proctor, Vallone, Dotel, Farnsworth and Mo, no one would have to pitch more than 3 times a week. With all of that talent, on that much rest, we are looking at a dominating pen. The biggest factor is who we have starting. Either Johnson turns that corner, and pitches well consistently, or he needs to be shown the door. Moose has to be as good as he's been this year. Wang is young, so I have no worries there. Wright and Liddle need some consistency, or they need to go. The big question mark is Pavano. Does he return, and pitch well? If not, then he needs to be gone too.

I really want to make that push for Zito this offseason. I think he can anchor this staff for a few years.

Edit: I originally wrote rotation instead of bullpen for Sturtze, which I didn't mean.
I agree. Sturtze is not a guy who can pitch big innings every day but even if he was shaky imagine how many more quality innings we could be getting out of Scott Proctor now (and in October.)

As for the question of the Yankees outspending the Red Sox, it's worth noting that John Henry is one of the richest men in America and I'm fairly certain he could outspend George Steinbrenner if he chose to. But he doesn't (which is a perfectly fair choice, btw.)

In any case, the Red Sox are the last team who has a right to bitch and moan about the Yankees outspending the rest of baseball. Especially considering that they ended the Curse essentially by raiding small market teams for Curt Schilling and Keith Foulke.

[AlioTheFool]

WTF is with the FX on the pitch replay? I despise ESPN.

[FirstTimeCaller]

I'm watching this one tonight... lets get the chat going!

[FirstTimeCaller]

Willie Moe Pena sucks...

[AlioTheFool]

I'm watching this one tonight... lets get the chat going!

I already started. Welcome aboard! :beer:

[FirstTimeCaller]

K.......... Nice battle

[AlioTheFool]

Bad take there. You have to know that's a strike Derek. Tough at-bat, but not a smart take in a game like this against Schilling in Boston.

[AlioTheFool]

Whoa. I'm surprised that wasn't strike 3.

[AlioTheFool]

Oh well, at least they made him work early. Come on now Moose!

[AlioTheFool]

Greene in for ARod tonight?

[AlioTheFool]

Damn. Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!


Edit: Where the hell is everyone tonight?